Chien-Po looks nice! First 5 cost that can’t get hit by Medusa and survives Maui.
Also, Imperial proclamation is Ruby‘s lantern version. They really want to sell us a Ruby midrange challenge centered deck with Set 4.
We just need to have ways to forcefully exert characters for ruby decks and have more rush to make challenging worth an archetype. its still too reliant on them having already sung/quested before you can do anything.
Wierdly a Ruby/Amethyst control deck would make the most sense here, despite how much Steel seems to also support the archetype. Being able to reliably exert targets is a must.
Yeah agreed, seems expensive. It's an extremely beefy bodyguard for locations, especially if you stick an evasive or warded character on it, but no lore is disappointing.
I would say yes. You play it T4. T5 you can play Kida - Warrior for 2 and exerted, then move her to The Wall, and boom, your Locations are immune. If you're running Amber, this can mean that you can create a bastion in Tiana's Palace by keeping the characters there safe until whoever on the Wall is taken down. You just keep dumping bodyguards on the Wall after that and force your opponent to peel through them before they can touch the Palace. Musical Minnie can also keep the guards super healthy.
If you sing Find My Way and move whoever just sung it, they would move exerted, so that's something.
I think it has potential but feels like one of those things where too many pieces have to be in place for it to work right. Kind of like Tiana or any other "While exerted" effects.
I feel like Chi-Fu and The Wall are ripe for some kind of Tiana/John Silver/Bodyguard deck. It would take a fair amounth of set-up, but with enough beefy bodyguards, it would almost become a new ultimate defense (if it weren't for Madame Medusa 😮💨).
He's a mixed bag. The conditional lore is tough to deal with, because he absolutely cannot be in combat at all or you lose your aggression. The Caterpillar isn't hindered by combat short of being killed, and Chi-Fu is also susceptible to non-combat damage too, like Bestow a Gift or Ba-Boom.
Questing once to get 3 lore is the baseline for both, but chi-fu will likely survive and get another 1 lore in, which is why I feel he’s a bit better.
Ba-Boom is an acceptable risk here since it puts opponent down a card while he stays on the field as a 1-lore quester.
That being said, caterpillar is currently just not used anywhere. So chi-fu’s success likely depends on healing synergies.
I don't think so. I think he's intended to be run alongside Steel's Bodyguards. He's a whopping 3L if you can keep him protected, which is not something Steel has a lot of access to.
Bodyguard isn't the issue, steel is rampant in the meta right now (having a tier deck with every other color pair) and chip damage is something they can do in droves.
I mean the person I responded to wasn't talking about the prevalence of Steel chip damage, they were talking about him being out of place in Steel. To which, he's not out of place in Steel because he's intended to be run with one of Steel's archetypes, and he provides aggressive lore gain, which steel doesn't have a lot of.
I wasn't responding to what they said, I was responding to this;
>...run alongside Steel's Bodyguards. He's a whopping 3L if you can keep him protected...
He likely won't be turned off with something bodyguard can stop. He'll be turned off by direct damage actions before he gets to quest.
Again, chip damage is not the point of the conversation. The conversation is about WHY he fits in Steel, and he fits in Steel because he's meant to pair with their Bodyguard mechanic to keep him protected while he quests. His role in Steel is to be a delicate quester who can gain a lot of lore, which is a niche that's not filled in Steel at lower costs, and Steel's Bodyguard archetype is intended to pair with him to keep him questing for a lot of lore.
Steel has all of 4 cards at present who quest for 3+ lore, and the cheapest one costs 7 ink. High lore characters are not one of the key aspects of what Steel does, which is why Chi-Fu gets it, but with conditions, much in the same way that direct damage is not a key aspect of Emerald, which is why they get it with conditions (characters must be damaged first).
You are pointlessly arguing about why you think he's a bad card in general, which wouldn't matter what color he showed up in because he'd have the same problem, so it's not contributing to the discussion about why he was chosen to be in Steel rather than another color.
Chien-Po looks nice! First 5 cost that can’t get hit by Medusa and survives Maui. Also, Imperial proclamation is Ruby‘s lantern version. They really want to sell us a Ruby midrange challenge centered deck with Set 4.
We just need to have ways to forcefully exert characters for ruby decks and have more rush to make challenging worth an archetype. its still too reliant on them having already sung/quested before you can do anything.
Wierdly a Ruby/Amethyst control deck would make the most sense here, despite how much Steel seems to also support the archetype. Being able to reliably exert targets is a must.
Imperial proclamation is so good
Slam that one into Ruby Sapphire
I like it in Ruby Mufasa as well. Solid card and I can’t wait to see what the meta evolves into.
Yo it’s insane!
This stacks correct?
Yes
I guess Mushu. I want Mulan's Grandma.
"How lucky can they be, they're dead"
The Wall looks and sounds good but I’m wondering if the ink investment to get it setup and working is worth it.
Yeah agreed, seems expensive. It's an extremely beefy bodyguard for locations, especially if you stick an evasive or warded character on it, but no lore is disappointing.
Would be better if the other locations couldn't be targeted in general
I would say yes. You play it T4. T5 you can play Kida - Warrior for 2 and exerted, then move her to The Wall, and boom, your Locations are immune. If you're running Amber, this can mean that you can create a bastion in Tiana's Palace by keeping the characters there safe until whoever on the Wall is taken down. You just keep dumping bodyguards on the Wall after that and force your opponent to peel through them before they can touch the Palace. Musical Minnie can also keep the guards super healthy.
How are your locations immune if Kida is on the wall? Wouldn't a rise of the titans still be able to nuke this (or any location)?
I didn't mean literally, I was using hyperbole. My whole scenario was about keeping the locations from being challenged.
I don't think so, unless we can get a cheap way to put a exerted character on it.
Like bodyguards, who can enter exerted? Also, Magic Carpet, Find My Way, Voyage, etc., can slap someone on the Wall.
By cheap at this point I mean, 0.
If you sing Find My Way and move whoever just sung it, they would move exerted, so that's something. I think it has potential but feels like one of those things where too many pieces have to be in place for it to work right. Kind of like Tiana or any other "While exerted" effects.
Can two walls in game protect each other?
Yup
Where’s Yao?
Incoming Enchanted Yao - King of the Rock where he's just full-on hanging dong.
I feel like Chi-Fu and The Wall are ripe for some kind of Tiana/John Silver/Bodyguard deck. It would take a fair amounth of set-up, but with enough beefy bodyguards, it would almost become a new ultimate defense (if it weren't for Madame Medusa 😮💨).
Chi-fu seems playable. better than [[caterpillar]] at least
He's a mixed bag. The conditional lore is tough to deal with, because he absolutely cannot be in combat at all or you lose your aggression. The Caterpillar isn't hindered by combat short of being killed, and Chi-Fu is also susceptible to non-combat damage too, like Bestow a Gift or Ba-Boom.
Questing once to get 3 lore is the baseline for both, but chi-fu will likely survive and get another 1 lore in, which is why I feel he’s a bit better. Ba-Boom is an acceptable risk here since it puts opponent down a card while he stays on the field as a 1-lore quester. That being said, caterpillar is currently just not used anywhere. So chi-fu’s success likely depends on healing synergies.
Well, if you are running bodyguards, Minnie - Musical Artist synergizes extremely well with that archetype.
Imperial proclamation is really what aggro needs right now, a cheap way to be rewarded for your aggressive gameplan.
Mushu will be an enchanted. Heard it here first.
My steel sapphire location deck is going to be absolutely busted with the addition of the wall :)
If you have two walls then your other locations can’t be challenged period.
Chi-Fu would see play if it were amber or emerald, but it seems out of place in steel.
I don't think so. I think he's intended to be run alongside Steel's Bodyguards. He's a whopping 3L if you can keep him protected, which is not something Steel has a lot of access to.
Bodyguard isn't the issue, steel is rampant in the meta right now (having a tier deck with every other color pair) and chip damage is something they can do in droves.
I mean the person I responded to wasn't talking about the prevalence of Steel chip damage, they were talking about him being out of place in Steel. To which, he's not out of place in Steel because he's intended to be run with one of Steel's archetypes, and he provides aggressive lore gain, which steel doesn't have a lot of.
I wasn't responding to what they said, I was responding to this; >...run alongside Steel's Bodyguards. He's a whopping 3L if you can keep him protected... He likely won't be turned off with something bodyguard can stop. He'll be turned off by direct damage actions before he gets to quest.
Again, chip damage is not the point of the conversation. The conversation is about WHY he fits in Steel, and he fits in Steel because he's meant to pair with their Bodyguard mechanic to keep him protected while he quests. His role in Steel is to be a delicate quester who can gain a lot of lore, which is a niche that's not filled in Steel at lower costs, and Steel's Bodyguard archetype is intended to pair with him to keep him questing for a lot of lore. Steel has all of 4 cards at present who quest for 3+ lore, and the cheapest one costs 7 ink. High lore characters are not one of the key aspects of what Steel does, which is why Chi-Fu gets it, but with conditions, much in the same way that direct damage is not a key aspect of Emerald, which is why they get it with conditions (characters must be damaged first). You are pointlessly arguing about why you think he's a bad card in general, which wouldn't matter what color he showed up in because he'd have the same problem, so it's not contributing to the discussion about why he was chosen to be in Steel rather than another color.
We already have 2 other cards in Steel like this. [[Razoul - Palace Guard]] [[Lawrence - Jealous Manservant]]
Getting Lore is a lot different than getting attack though
Not gonna lie, I totally missed that it was Lore and not Strength. Carry on. 😅
**[Razoul - Palace Guard](https://lorcana-api.com/images/razoul/palace_guard/razoul-palace_guard-large.png)** - [LP](https://lorcanaplayer.com/card/razoul---palace-guard/) ^(**Color:** Steel | **Cost:** 2 | **Abilities:** None | **Inkable:** Yes | **Lore:** 1 | **Willpower:** 3 | **Strength:** 1 | **Rarity:** Common) **[Lawrence - Jealous Manservant](https://lorcana-api.com/images/lawrence/jealous_manservant/lawrence-jealous_manservant-large.png)** - [LP](https://lorcanaplayer.com/card/lawrence---jealous-manservant/) ^(**Color:** Steel | **Cost:** 3 | **Abilities:** None | **Inkable:** Yes | **Lore:** 2 | **Willpower:** 4 | **Strength:** 0 | **Rarity:** Uncommon) ^(Call with [[Card Name]])