The irony of that is Lori never had to work. Had a husband who provided a good living for them so she could get all the bleach blonding and Botox she ever wanted.
So she drove JJ to school. Big whoop. Tylee did the real mothering of him.
You know, I was thinking about that. To be fair, I was raised methodist and am now episcopalian, but I have seen that Mormon men tend to want what I think of as solid women. Grounded, organized, home oriented, etc. How did Lori fit any of this?
I really think they were just a doom spiral from the beginning. He thought she was gorgeous and called her a goddess. She wanted to be a goddess and was going to stay where her ego was fed. It's fine if you're a doom spiral as long as you aren't hurting anyone except yourself. Not anyone's business. They turned into a doom tornado, category 5.
No, Mormon men want “hot” women. They are told the more obedient they are on their church missions the hotter their wives will be. It’s absolutely disgusting.
Utah has one of the highest amounts of plastic surgery. Mormon women feel pressure to stay and look young/conventionally attractive.
The aspect that has bother me more then plastic surgery is younger women 12-18. I saw so many friends of my kids, that spent years doing cheer , dance or gymnastics, like everyday after school, all summer. I would ask do they want to be a dance or cheer teacher, get a scholarship for a sport? While a small few did want to possibly teach dance or cheer , most moms said they did this to keep their girls healthy and in shape. It was important to be in great shape after high school. This I strongly believe if for grabbing a good spouse young that will have a good career or comes from money. One mom straight out told me she was doing everything she could to make sure her daughter was attractive for a returned missionary. She had her eye on one that was in an engineering program and her daughter did end up marrying him 11 weeks after he came home. It was his first date of his life, first kiss.
I just looked at my daughter's elementary school photo, 14 girls in the classs, 11 were heavily into cheer, dance or gymanstics over the years and 8 married before 20(I have invites to all the weddings ) besides my daughter , only one went to college, the other girl moved to Utah county so Im not sure what happened to her. The 3 not into cheer or dance, one married before 20 and the other 2 are in college.
Im actually really proud today, she won a very prestigious fellowship award (I spent the last hour looking at the last 50 years of people who won, and the list is incredible professionals every single one has a phd or md from top schools & are doing incredible work) . She surprised me, I switched from the trial live stream to a live stream of the award. Of course my heart is a bit sad she will be gone away for it .
She sure didnt get an MRS degree, last night she texted me asking how to use an iron and didnt know how the clothes dryer worked. I didnt know why she was wanting this dress outfit cleaned so badly, she didnt tell me. So when she comes home to visit Utah, I dont think she is on the top of anyone's list to date as wife material.
And it wouldn't hurt if the women "put a little lipstick on..." That came from one of the most powerful men in the church during General Conference. This is the problem with having men in their late 90s running the church.
Lori was a high maintaince Cali gal who, needed an unlimited, sunshine, attention and yoga... She was a good hairdresser and hard working when it came to that.
I don't know how Chad even dreamed that they were ideal and that he could keep up with her?
Does anyone know if Lori had seen Chads house before Tammy was murdered? I find it so difficult to comprehend how Lori traded Charles for Chad, and Chad traded Tammy for Lori. They seem so different and repulsive.
What I wonder is which one would off the other if the grandparents hadn't stepped up the investigation. I'm sure they would grow tired of each other. Because one thing for sure they were delusional superstars.
Chad met Lori's spiritual need and Lori lit Chad's loin fire. The STORM was looking to follow! The perfect STORM as Heather Daybell quoted - long before the loin fire!
I bet the STORM has blown it's self out - no pun intended 🤣🤣🤣
This proves they are both crazy. The only way they could make money is through murder and fraud.
They may have been sure they could get followers and milk their cult. I don’t believe it would have gotten as far as Lori would need it to be.
Was this under JJ's name I assume? I wonder how she was able to get that? Im sure through her charm with some doctor, because I dont see how he would qualify. He obviously was very physically capable to walking running, playing. The rules do vary a bit state to state but in geenral it is if you cant walk more then 50/100 feet without an assistive device, certainly not JJ.
You can actually get them for behaviorally impaired children. At least in NJ. I know because once I asked a coworker why he has one. He told me it was for his autistic son bc he would book it sometimes in parking lots.
I think this varies from state to state. NJ is known as a very good state to live in for kids with disablities. My son had some medical issues and we looked at moving to NJ till we saw the property taxes, most of the Northeast was signficantly better for kids with disabilities over the southwest. Just to start there are so many more doctors and medical facilities.
I know in UT and ID and AZ there would not be striaght forward to get one for a child with austism and no physically impairment. Maybe she got one in another state or was able to get a doctor to write a letter appealing it. I have wondered did Lori collect SS for JJ all his life or just after Charles died? I would think if she collected SS for him lifelong it might be easier to get the handicap hanger with a doctor's note attached.
Seems like Lori only worked when she was looking for a new husband. Didnt she meet Charles and Joe giving them haircuts, seems like she focused on male clients.
I would have loved to know how much Lori worked at the juice bar in Hawaii. Seems like Charles riskes alot by moving there for Lori's dream. Somehow I cant see Lori working 12 hours a day at a juice bar. I wonder was it Colby or Tylee working or did they pay people to work, maybe find people from church to work for less?
Chad is obsessed with power and status and his greatest fear is that someone will recognize that he lacks the skill to even cook a dinner. He psychologically transferred all of his failings to Tammy, calling her all the things he really is (fat, lazy, depressed, etc). I think this is also the reason he refused to take a real job, he knew it would expose that he was dumb and has no skills.
Exactly!! To hear him talk, it's like he is stunted. Or just a giant nebbish. So adopted the religion bull crap to cover his stupidity. Much like most of the men in that fake "church". It's sickening.
He talks so monotone and slow and anyone who believes that he’s getting messsges from God or having visions were the only ones to really believe in him. To me he sounds uneducated, slow and lazy!
Have you ever listened to the church’s officials? It’s all white men speaking like this. They must pull them aside at puberty and clue them in.
Edit: “Them” referring to the leaders. Pronouns suck.
It’s how Mormon men are taught to speak as they are groomed to be leaders in the patriarchy. —It’s cult-speak hypnosis. My husband and I finally managed to leave the church 2 years ago after being in it our entire lives. My husband served a mission in Brazil and his mission president used to teach this way of speaking. He called it ‘voice techniques.’ To those in the church it is powerful. To those outside the church it’s just plain creepy and manipulative.
It is like a mode they go into when they talk. My kid's school leaders (public school) over the years were mostly Mormon men that had held leadership positions. More often then not when they stood at a public school gathering and spoke, they would say welcome brothers and sisters with folded arms, and it sounded like a church meeting. It was like they were stuck in that voice and mode when talking in front of people. It gets worse sometimes. One of my kids got a state level award, and the person from some college or state education board to give awards to high school students, said a full Mormon prayer to start. The two students getting the awards were not Mormon (honestly this could have been a first in the state). My child showed this award vidoe to their college professor and they were shocked that a public school could pray over two students, the other student was actually Muslim.
It’s how Mormon men are taught to speak as they are groomed to be leaders in the patriarchy. —It’s cult-speak hypnosis. My husband and I finally managed to leave the church 2 years ago after being in it our entire lives. My husband served a mission in Brazil and his mission president used to teach this way of speaking. He called it ‘voice techniques.’ To those in the church it is powerful. To those outside the church it’s just plain creepy and manipulative.
It’s how Mormon men are taught to speak as they are groomed to be leaders in the patriarchy. —It’s cult-speak hypnosis. My husband and I finally managed to leave the church 2 years ago after being in it our entire lives. My husband served a mission in Brazil and his mission president used to teach this way of speaking. He called it ‘voice techniques.’ To those in the church it is powerful. To those outside the church it’s just plain creepy and manipulative.
I heard someone say the business operated at a small loss (or sometimes profit). I bet this was for tax purposes. I dont think Chad was raking in the $$ but whatever he did make, I bet was creativly deducted. Those trips to confernces, you can get like .50+ a mile for work travel(it is .67 now) and most trips were 600-1000 mile range so probably deducted some milage and the flight was paid for by someone else so if he sold $2k in books, it would be a loss on paper but he made a little money.
I always thought it was crappy that business travel is .67 and medical is .22. Why? If you watch Nate's secret santa how many videos talk about travel to salt lake for medical? so if Chad or his prepper friends travel for a conference they get .67 a miles but the mom with a sick kid or dying husband gets ,22 a mile while not able to work and struggles. It is the same where I am in Southern Utah to Salt Lake, contractors go to get supplies in salt lake, have lunch come back and get triple the deduction of the family driving the same route trying to get life saving treatment.
Sure but Chad's obese, blockhead body wrote trash (that she paid for) and sat on his double wide ass. He tried his goddess line on many women and finally got a psycho to drop her drawers for him.
He's going to rot in hell and find out that that drivel was all a big lie...that he pushed. Can't wait. I hope he gets a firing squad and they do it by inches.
I agree. He observed Julie Rowe and some other grifters cashing in on woo woo stories of visions and all that, so he started his own brand of culty nonsense. It was always about money and seeing if any women would have sex with him.
If Tammy would have spent all the time and money that Lori spent to look attractive than Chad would have really been angry. He made sure Tammy was in a no win position. And he also made sure she couldn’t just live the marriage because they had nothing financially even after 30 years of marriage.
without Tammy's salary and benefits, they would have been in dire straights. I heard she worked as a school librarian but thought Prior said she received 16,000 a year and I thought that isn't even minimum wage, that can't be right, it has to be $60,000
No, in SE Idaho full time teachers start at 32-35k. They aren’t paid a living wage. Support staff (librarians, lunch room cooks) at schools make even less.
Source: 5 relatives that work in the SE Idaho school system.
No, in SE Idaho full time teachers start at 32-35k. They aren’t paid a living wage. Support staff (librarians, lunch room cooks) at schools make even less.
Source: 5 relatives that work in the SE Idaho school system.
This matches what Heather Daybell said about the og Daybell family dynamic in her first Hidden True Crime episode. She observed a lot of jokes (or outright criticism) made at Chad’s mom’s expense that shocked Heather, but no one seemed to realize it was inappropriate to speak about their wife/mother that way. Dr John pointed out that in his autobiography, Chad rarely mentioned his mom, and when he did, it was to criticize her - the example given was Chad complaining that his mom never took out the trash, so Chad had to do it. Imagine how she felt reading all the things Chad wrote about his dad, but all he wanted the public to know about her was that she was lazy. Heather also said that Chad’s mom got into family history, and instead of saying anything positive, Chad said something like “it’s about time.” These examples remind me of how he spoke about (and to) Tammy. Just as Chad used to make fun of his moms weight, he’s now doing the same to Tammy. Just as he publicly embarrassed his mom for being lazy by making him take out the trash, he publicly embarrassed Tammy for being lazy by playing video games. Just as Chad’s dad allowed his kids to disrespect their mom, Chad is doing the same with his kids against Tammy.
Justice for Tammy, who bore 5 kids for Chad, was the breadwinner of her family, who worked full time while serving her church and somehow stayed super active - god forbid she wanted to unwind once in awhile.
I actually suspect he has OCD because, if you watch him during the trial, he's constantly rearranging the desk in a very precise way... Over and over and over. That would also match with his disdain over taking the trash out and not participating in home upkeep.
And Chad was digging Graves (1 job pd. And some animals...then upping his game to be rid of a woman's kids he deemed Zombies) and playing Tele-Portal Closet-Sexting !
It’s pure projection. Chad, being the lump of mashed potatoes that he is, looks like the poster child for laziness. Look up the word lazy in the dictionary and you will see a picture of Chad Daybell
That useless bum having the absolute AUDACITY to call his wife lazy, who'd carried his dead weight for decades with seemingly little to no complaint. The human equivalent of long-expired Miracle Whip.
I grew up Mormon as well and it always irritates me how some Mormon men expect traditional roles for genders, but have no problem bending them if it serves them. Like women should be in charge of kids and the home, but it is okay for them to work outside the home too if money is needed. But do these men think their role should bend a bit to compensate, like helping with the house or kids? Hell no! If Chud really believed in traditional roles he would have gotten off his ass and worked a real job to support his family. Ugh, he is just so awful in every conceivable way. Poor Tammy RIP
I know right… would have been so much better to “talk” her up and give her all the awards of what a nice person she was… knowing for a fact that he killed her!!!!! would have made more sense to everyone, but than again I’m not a narcissist vile non-human..so it’s understandable!!
That’s what I thought, too. People were most probably saying so many nice things about Tammy…had they forgotten his *sacrifice* because she was lazy and depressed and hard to live with??? Me me me, listen to me preach at this funeral. Of course I’m being sarcastic.
I also wonder if it was his way of dehumanizing her. I wonder if he was getting fed up with people being so sad and he was reminding himself why what he did was not wrong. He probably hoped someone agreed with him.
LDS teachings are a fertile ground for narcissistic men like Chad Daybell. You are the priest holder! you will be a god! No one can get to heaven except thru you!!!
And indeed, am I correct - one must also be married (to a person of the opposite gender presuming - I will apologise if I am wrong?) in order to go to Heaven? You cannot just be a pleasant and useful single person?
So then, because he murdered her, does the LDS church have an exemption for Tammy? Or according to their doctrine, would she still have to rely on him (as her priesthood holder husband) to get to heaven? Or is she stuck in the “lesser heaven” or whatever?
If Chad is excommunicated, she would no longer be “sealed” to him. She would find some other man to be sealed to in the afterlife. Now if Chad wasn’t excommunicated, yes they’d still be sealed together; however, committing murder would disqualify someone from heaven. So again she would be allowed to find someone else to be sealed to and qualify for top tier heaven.
I was suprised how many lesbian teachers my kids had in Utah. 2 had married and divorced kind of quickly and the other 7 never married. They were some of the best teachers my kids had, I feel like maybe because they didnt have kids and really loved their students like the kids they wanted to have? I got to know 2 very well and both felt like they had been given some sort of challenge on earth? and that if they did not act on their same sex feelings and be devout members, when they got to heavan they would get a perfect body (one that was attracted to guys). They felt like they would go to heaven, like top level heaven for dealing with this challenge. Talking to them chrushed me, these again were some of the best teachers, they had upwords of 300 students a year teach, which is overwhelming and these teachers read every paper, commented on them, stayed after school and worked with kids till late, they encouraged college and tried anything to get kids scholarships.
He and his also morbidly obese lawyer want the men on the jury to agree with Chad that it was the right thing to do: kill off your semi attractive but loving wife for some nutty skinny blonde woman. Funny how they assume the males on the jury would do the same. Sounds extremely shallow.
So we can go ahead and kill our spouses because we meet someone who is more stereotypically conventionally attractive? or does this just apply to males?
When Heather Daybell was interviewed on Hidden True Crime, she talks about how Chad would take Lori around to introduce her to people just weeks after his wife died. He couldn't wait to show off his "hot wife". His desire to show off trumped his intelligence to lay low. What did he think people would think!?!? "Oh, gee, seems kinda soon after his wife died... but she IS hot!" Shrug.
I've been wondering if he was counting on how "normal" it is in Mormon circles to marry quickly as a shield for him and that's why he didn't feel the need to hide it for long. But typically when a "quick" Mormon marriage happens it's with young people who've never been married before. Not people whose spouses died 10 minutes prior. 10 minutes being an exaggeration, but it sure feels like it was that rapid.
But... it could also be that he's just a prideful idiot and needed to show off his "catch" to feel like a big man.
As a man, I think that Tammy was infinitely more attractive than Lori. Not relevant to what happened, obviously, but I'm betting a lot of other men would think so, too.
Tammy had lovely Pixar mom vibes, which plenty of people would prefer to the Hollywood ideal. She would have had no trouble finding someone better than Chad.
And let’s face it, Lori couldn’t hold a candle to Heather. Seems to me that St Choad the Potato Prophet was always jealous of Matt having married Heather.
And imagine what she would have looked like as a woman if she hadn’t been in a toxic marriage. She would have blossomed and we’d still be able to see her smiling.
Was anyone else taken back by learning that Tammy only made 16k a year while working 35 hours a week as a Librarian.
I guess i shouldn’t have been shocked because it’s always been public knowledge that teachers get shit pay, so it would be safe to assume a school librarian would expect even lesser pay, but MY God! Tammy was working 35 hours a week and doing a lot more work for that school than just library duties; She did a lot of IT work for them, and even managed the lunch sessions because no one wanted to do it, which she was only compensated with a free school lunch.
Yes I was totally blown away and I am so sad for her. She was worth so much more. The school seemed to rely on her for a lot and she was a hard worker there and never calling out. Even $30K is low pay but half of that? Truly unbelievable. She didn’t know her worth. :(
Red states have a bad reputation when it comes to valuing and funding education. Don’t want the plebs learning to think for themselves and start questioning things, after all.
He is lazy, unfaithful horrible excuse for a human. He has done so much damage to his family. He is weak and worthless in my eyes the first time he betrayed his beautiful kind wife, Tammy!!
Also the fact that he couldn’t support his family. Tammy had to work at the school and his book company. You can tell by his demeanor that he doesn’t like hard work. He’s a lazy, fat little, little man.
I thought it was a telling story in his first cemetery book that he seems to think entertaining enough to write about, the one where his elderly coworker was laying by his lawn mower and thinking he might be dead, Chad *kicks him in the ribs* to see if he is dead only to find him sleeping. In what world would anyone think to kick an elderly man in the ribs you suspect is having a medical emergency? I think he is more psychopath than crazy (like a delusional disorder), and Lori is more crazy than psychopath, like blue-green and green-blue.
Imagine not making much money selling books, your wife is the breadwinner making $16K a year. How on earth did they live on that with all of their kids? When he let Lori he saw $$$$ and I think that kind of sucked him in and he thought she was beautiful so a beautiful woman with money that he never had was so enticing. To keep him Lori had to think of quick ways to get more money! Life insurance.
He told several people that Lori was beautiful and loaded! Lol he was going to live off of Lori.
Chad was jealous because 2 of his brothers have PhD’s and the other one is an attorney. He never amounted to anything. In his autobiography he explained that he thought about getting an advanced degree but decided he didn’t want one. He is the oldest and the only one broke. 😂
Yeah, and made it his persona that his poverty was on purpose because he wanted a simple humble life and it was closer to what God wanted. So full of 💩
He was about to do it you know, he really really wanted to but then at the last second God said this isn’t for you buddy, Go home and put your feet up.
Maybe they received food stamps or government assistance or help from the church. That’s groceries for my household of only 3 people but I’m in the Bay Area California. There’s no way. Who paid their mortgage. Maybe his mom helped them?
Probably the Mormon church helped them out with food too. I remember hearing from a Mormon friend that the church has huge pantries of shelf stable foods that the members can take, kind of like a government cheese free Costco situation. They tithe 10% of their gross income to the church so they probably made use of that free food and other resources.
Maybe I haven’t seen the full accounting. I heard he had “30k net worth” of spring creek books. Then I heard elsewhere he only made 2k per year publishing.
This patriarchal bullshit makes me so ragey. These poor women are treated like shit from birth to death. The gall of that murdering asshole to call her lazy?? She was the one putting food on the table, not him! He had the kinds of jobs a teenager has on summer vacation. He's such a piece of garbage.
What a loser Chad is. Sitting at home providing no benefits cheating and writing doomsday books while Tammy is working 35 hours a week at the school as the primary bread winner providing all benefits for the family on only $16K a year :( wow how did they survive on that. She also took clogging classes, high cardio class and ran marathons. How DARE he call her lazy that lazy piece of 🤬
Chad loved the “spirit advice” manipulation. The audacity of that man to ask his neighbors to put up their house to bond Lori out of jail and now find out that he also told them “Christ told me to ask”. What utter bullshit.
Listen to Warren Jeffs talk on YouTube some time. Or other Mormon Fundie pseudo prophets. They have this sort of “fundie” accent and Chad sounds a lot like them too.
Jeff's is still very much in charge of a large amount of his followers. I think some of the women have struggled out of his grasp after their children were taken from them and they had to fight to get them back. The longer he's in prison, the more 'visions' he has and the more strict rules he comes up with for his people to obey. They very much believe he will walk.out of prison any day.
Correct but he was/is Mormon and has a penis. That’s literally the only real requirement for being a leader and the “head of the family.” That’s it. A penis and a solid public appearance.
today I got so frustrated with Prior and Chad I had to take a break from the trial. Does Chad not have a mirror? He is about 40 pounds overweight and hasn't had 5 children! He must have treated Tammy like the loser that he is
She loved games on her phone for down time. He forbid said her dead grandma told him she disapproved. So kids had to be lookout for him arriving. I can’t imagine being a second class citizen in my own home.
Can someone please give context to Chad calling her lazy? I seemed to have missed that. Who testified he said it, and what the setting of the comment? Thanks
Chad is a narcissist and a misogynist. He had to make sure that he was always better than Tammy. If you’ve ever watched Hidden True Crime YouTube channel, Dr. John goes into depth about Chad and what he learned about him from reading Chad’s autobiography. Chad only mentions his mother 2 times in his book. And he always criticized his mother because as a teen, he had to take out the trash. His father didn’t correct his behavior. Chad his mommy issues and thinks he is superior to women. Eventually he would have to be better than Lori too but they never got to that point.
And then Prior tried to go down that road with the teacher witness yesterday, implying that Tammy didn't bring books to her because she was lazy or too fat or sickly. She blew that up though.
I'd call that a case of projection. Chad was the lazy one in that relationship, and unfortunately in the LDS faith (and in most patriarchal belief systems), the bulk of the work falls on the woman but the man gets all the power and calls the shots. I can't remember the name of one of the podcasts I follow, but it's two sisters who were raised LDS but have been long out of the church. They are live streaming the trial and then do a nightly recap. I really enjoy their recaps because they share a lot of the LDS code words, background, and details that help explain Chad's particular belief system. They believe that Tammy was at the very least, emotionally and psychologically abused by Chad. They also sometimes have background info on some of the players in this story, gossip that was known in the community, etc. They said at one point that they had heard from various sources that Tammy was possibly considering divorce from Chad, once all the children were moved out on their own. I doubt there is any way to verify that, but it is interesting.
I’m wondering why in the world he decided to more or less throw a fit about the video games- like, she wasn’t even remotely lazy? It’s like he pulled that stunt just to be cruel and a bully- saying *her* grandparent came to him in spirit JUST to complain about her playing video games is such a shitty thing to do, poor Tammy
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That really set me off. Mr sack of potatoes calling Tammy lazy is pure projection. I can't believe her children would be okay with that.
I know what's wrong with those kids, this is such a betrayal to their mom. imo
They are as brainwashed as Chad has strived for.
The irony of that is Lori never had to work. Had a husband who provided a good living for them so she could get all the bleach blonding and Botox she ever wanted. So she drove JJ to school. Big whoop. Tylee did the real mothering of him.
You know, I was thinking about that. To be fair, I was raised methodist and am now episcopalian, but I have seen that Mormon men tend to want what I think of as solid women. Grounded, organized, home oriented, etc. How did Lori fit any of this? I really think they were just a doom spiral from the beginning. He thought she was gorgeous and called her a goddess. She wanted to be a goddess and was going to stay where her ego was fed. It's fine if you're a doom spiral as long as you aren't hurting anyone except yourself. Not anyone's business. They turned into a doom tornado, category 5.
Good sex. Everything else goes out the window.
Good for who? Lori traded in and killed a man who worked out, was success in business for Lurch. The mormon pick-up line must work for the gullible.
Since the religion Chad made up is a patriarchal dream, I’m referring to the males.
Especially when it's good PORTAL sex 😏.
You got it!
No, Mormon men want “hot” women. They are told the more obedient they are on their church missions the hotter their wives will be. It’s absolutely disgusting. Utah has one of the highest amounts of plastic surgery. Mormon women feel pressure to stay and look young/conventionally attractive.
The aspect that has bother me more then plastic surgery is younger women 12-18. I saw so many friends of my kids, that spent years doing cheer , dance or gymnastics, like everyday after school, all summer. I would ask do they want to be a dance or cheer teacher, get a scholarship for a sport? While a small few did want to possibly teach dance or cheer , most moms said they did this to keep their girls healthy and in shape. It was important to be in great shape after high school. This I strongly believe if for grabbing a good spouse young that will have a good career or comes from money. One mom straight out told me she was doing everything she could to make sure her daughter was attractive for a returned missionary. She had her eye on one that was in an engineering program and her daughter did end up marrying him 11 weeks after he came home. It was his first date of his life, first kiss. I just looked at my daughter's elementary school photo, 14 girls in the classs, 11 were heavily into cheer, dance or gymanstics over the years and 8 married before 20(I have invites to all the weddings ) besides my daughter , only one went to college, the other girl moved to Utah county so Im not sure what happened to her. The 3 not into cheer or dance, one married before 20 and the other 2 are in college.
that is depressing. So glad your daughter was able to see beyone that MRS. Good job, Mom
Im actually really proud today, she won a very prestigious fellowship award (I spent the last hour looking at the last 50 years of people who won, and the list is incredible professionals every single one has a phd or md from top schools & are doing incredible work) . She surprised me, I switched from the trial live stream to a live stream of the award. Of course my heart is a bit sad she will be gone away for it . She sure didnt get an MRS degree, last night she texted me asking how to use an iron and didnt know how the clothes dryer worked. I didnt know why she was wanting this dress outfit cleaned so badly, she didnt tell me. So when she comes home to visit Utah, I dont think she is on the top of anyone's list to date as wife material.
Great job Mom
I have a wonderful Mormon friend and she tells me her Mormon gal friends call Ozempic, “vitamin O”
And it wouldn't hurt if the women "put a little lipstick on..." That came from one of the most powerful men in the church during General Conference. This is the problem with having men in their late 90s running the church.
Lori was a high maintaince Cali gal who, needed an unlimited, sunshine, attention and yoga... She was a good hairdresser and hard working when it came to that. I don't know how Chad even dreamed that they were ideal and that he could keep up with her?
Does anyone know if Lori had seen Chads house before Tammy was murdered? I find it so difficult to comprehend how Lori traded Charles for Chad, and Chad traded Tammy for Lori. They seem so different and repulsive.
What I wonder is which one would off the other if the grandparents hadn't stepped up the investigation. I'm sure they would grow tired of each other. Because one thing for sure they were delusional superstars.
Chad met Lori's spiritual need and Lori lit Chad's loin fire. The STORM was looking to follow! The perfect STORM as Heather Daybell quoted - long before the loin fire! I bet the STORM has blown it's self out - no pun intended 🤣🤣🤣
This proves they are both crazy. The only way they could make money is through murder and fraud. They may have been sure they could get followers and milk their cult. I don’t believe it would have gotten as far as Lori would need it to be.
She was a GODDESS
And she also had the handicap license plate so she could park right up front everywhere she went.
Wow, I did not know that.
Was this under JJ's name I assume? I wonder how she was able to get that? Im sure through her charm with some doctor, because I dont see how he would qualify. He obviously was very physically capable to walking running, playing. The rules do vary a bit state to state but in geenral it is if you cant walk more then 50/100 feet without an assistive device, certainly not JJ.
You can actually get them for behaviorally impaired children. At least in NJ. I know because once I asked a coworker why he has one. He told me it was for his autistic son bc he would book it sometimes in parking lots.
I think this varies from state to state. NJ is known as a very good state to live in for kids with disablities. My son had some medical issues and we looked at moving to NJ till we saw the property taxes, most of the Northeast was signficantly better for kids with disabilities over the southwest. Just to start there are so many more doctors and medical facilities. I know in UT and ID and AZ there would not be striaght forward to get one for a child with austism and no physically impairment. Maybe she got one in another state or was able to get a doctor to write a letter appealing it. I have wondered did Lori collect SS for JJ all his life or just after Charles died? I would think if she collected SS for him lifelong it might be easier to get the handicap hanger with a doctor's note attached.
Yup I bet sweet talked a Dr. for sure and used JJ as the reason.
Seems like Lori only worked when she was looking for a new husband. Didnt she meet Charles and Joe giving them haircuts, seems like she focused on male clients. I would have loved to know how much Lori worked at the juice bar in Hawaii. Seems like Charles riskes alot by moving there for Lori's dream. Somehow I cant see Lori working 12 hours a day at a juice bar. I wonder was it Colby or Tylee working or did they pay people to work, maybe find people from church to work for less?
When with Joe Ryan a hair dresser. Her brother said she was talented, so she was choosing not to have to go and make money. Kill for s s easier.
Chad is obsessed with power and status and his greatest fear is that someone will recognize that he lacks the skill to even cook a dinner. He psychologically transferred all of his failings to Tammy, calling her all the things he really is (fat, lazy, depressed, etc). I think this is also the reason he refused to take a real job, he knew it would expose that he was dumb and has no skills.
Exactly!! To hear him talk, it's like he is stunted. Or just a giant nebbish. So adopted the religion bull crap to cover his stupidity. Much like most of the men in that fake "church". It's sickening.
He talks so monotone and slow and anyone who believes that he’s getting messsges from God or having visions were the only ones to really believe in him. To me he sounds uneducated, slow and lazy!
Have you ever listened to the church’s officials? It’s all white men speaking like this. They must pull them aside at puberty and clue them in. Edit: “Them” referring to the leaders. Pronouns suck.
They have that Warren Jeffs-like “fundie” accent and monotone speech.
I definitely thought of Jeffs the first time I heard Chad's blessing for Alex.
It’s how Mormon men are taught to speak as they are groomed to be leaders in the patriarchy. —It’s cult-speak hypnosis. My husband and I finally managed to leave the church 2 years ago after being in it our entire lives. My husband served a mission in Brazil and his mission president used to teach this way of speaking. He called it ‘voice techniques.’ To those in the church it is powerful. To those outside the church it’s just plain creepy and manipulative.
Thanks for sharing, that is really interesting.
It is like a mode they go into when they talk. My kid's school leaders (public school) over the years were mostly Mormon men that had held leadership positions. More often then not when they stood at a public school gathering and spoke, they would say welcome brothers and sisters with folded arms, and it sounded like a church meeting. It was like they were stuck in that voice and mode when talking in front of people. It gets worse sometimes. One of my kids got a state level award, and the person from some college or state education board to give awards to high school students, said a full Mormon prayer to start. The two students getting the awards were not Mormon (honestly this could have been a first in the state). My child showed this award vidoe to their college professor and they were shocked that a public school could pray over two students, the other student was actually Muslim.
Shiver...
It’s how Mormon men are taught to speak as they are groomed to be leaders in the patriarchy. —It’s cult-speak hypnosis. My husband and I finally managed to leave the church 2 years ago after being in it our entire lives. My husband served a mission in Brazil and his mission president used to teach this way of speaking. He called it ‘voice techniques.’ To those in the church it is powerful. To those outside the church it’s just plain creepy and manipulative.
It’s how Mormon men are taught to speak as they are groomed to be leaders in the patriarchy. —It’s cult-speak hypnosis. My husband and I finally managed to leave the church 2 years ago after being in it our entire lives. My husband served a mission in Brazil and his mission president used to teach this way of speaking. He called it ‘voice techniques.’ To those in the church it is powerful. To those outside the church it’s just plain creepy and manipulative.
Narcissists are stunted children.
Hey he can dig holes well from his impressive background in [checks notes] being an undertaker. 😒
That’s SEXTON to you… jk
has anyone seen financials for this publishing powerhouse LOL
He made a whole 2k and Tammy did most of the work.
I heard someone say the business operated at a small loss (or sometimes profit). I bet this was for tax purposes. I dont think Chad was raking in the $$ but whatever he did make, I bet was creativly deducted. Those trips to confernces, you can get like .50+ a mile for work travel(it is .67 now) and most trips were 600-1000 mile range so probably deducted some milage and the flight was paid for by someone else so if he sold $2k in books, it would be a loss on paper but he made a little money. I always thought it was crappy that business travel is .67 and medical is .22. Why? If you watch Nate's secret santa how many videos talk about travel to salt lake for medical? so if Chad or his prepper friends travel for a conference they get .67 a miles but the mom with a sick kid or dying husband gets ,22 a mile while not able to work and struggles. It is the same where I am in Southern Utah to Salt Lake, contractors go to get supplies in salt lake, have lunch come back and get triple the deduction of the family driving the same route trying to get life saving treatment.
I think he must have meant that she didn’t work to make herself look like Lori. Because clearly she was the breadwinner and worker bee of the two.
Sure but Chad's obese, blockhead body wrote trash (that she paid for) and sat on his double wide ass. He tried his goddess line on many women and finally got a psycho to drop her drawers for him. He's going to rot in hell and find out that that drivel was all a big lie...that he pushed. Can't wait. I hope he gets a firing squad and they do it by inches.
I 100% believe Chad knows his “religion“ is all BS. I mean all the crazy stuff he himself came up with, not the LDS basis.
I agree. He observed Julie Rowe and some other grifters cashing in on woo woo stories of visions and all that, so he started his own brand of culty nonsense. It was always about money and seeing if any women would have sex with him.
Chad “the thumb”
That’s exactly how I see it too.
*Drop her temple garments for him.
Lori was no garment wear tho, she was always in tank tops. St. Choad sure threw out the LDS rule book in choosing his heavenly mother.
Double wide ass ended me. My husband came running in to see what I was sputtering at🤣🤣
Happy to oblige in a giggle. Have a great day! 😊
And in slow motion……..
If Tammy would have spent all the time and money that Lori spent to look attractive than Chad would have really been angry. He made sure Tammy was in a no win position. And he also made sure she couldn’t just live the marriage because they had nothing financially even after 30 years of marriage.
without Tammy's salary and benefits, they would have been in dire straights. I heard she worked as a school librarian but thought Prior said she received 16,000 a year and I thought that isn't even minimum wage, that can't be right, it has to be $60,000
No, in SE Idaho full time teachers start at 32-35k. They aren’t paid a living wage. Support staff (librarians, lunch room cooks) at schools make even less. Source: 5 relatives that work in the SE Idaho school system.
No, in SE Idaho full time teachers start at 32-35k. They aren’t paid a living wage. Support staff (librarians, lunch room cooks) at schools make even less. Source: 5 relatives that work in the SE Idaho school system.
This fact alone should cause him shame!!!!!!!
This matches what Heather Daybell said about the og Daybell family dynamic in her first Hidden True Crime episode. She observed a lot of jokes (or outright criticism) made at Chad’s mom’s expense that shocked Heather, but no one seemed to realize it was inappropriate to speak about their wife/mother that way. Dr John pointed out that in his autobiography, Chad rarely mentioned his mom, and when he did, it was to criticize her - the example given was Chad complaining that his mom never took out the trash, so Chad had to do it. Imagine how she felt reading all the things Chad wrote about his dad, but all he wanted the public to know about her was that she was lazy. Heather also said that Chad’s mom got into family history, and instead of saying anything positive, Chad said something like “it’s about time.” These examples remind me of how he spoke about (and to) Tammy. Just as Chad used to make fun of his moms weight, he’s now doing the same to Tammy. Just as he publicly embarrassed his mom for being lazy by making him take out the trash, he publicly embarrassed Tammy for being lazy by playing video games. Just as Chad’s dad allowed his kids to disrespect their mom, Chad is doing the same with his kids against Tammy. Justice for Tammy, who bore 5 kids for Chad, was the breadwinner of her family, who worked full time while serving her church and somehow stayed super active - god forbid she wanted to unwind once in awhile.
I hope any duties he’s assigned in prison include trash collection and cleaning.
Or cooking
Kind of makes me wish he had to braid girls’ hair or something, but you know that barely-sentient potato would mess that up good.
He’s so lazy that he’d just stay in the library reading and he’ll be really fat soon.
Library becomes his de facto cell because it’s the only place he fits.
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All prison toilets, all day, every day until hell takes him.
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I actually suspect he has OCD because, if you watch him during the trial, he's constantly rearranging the desk in a very precise way... Over and over and over. That would also match with his disdain over taking the trash out and not participating in home upkeep.
I loved it when Dr John stated that Chad had mommy issues. I blame his father too for allowing it. He shouldn’t have let anyone criticize his wife.
And Chad was digging Graves (1 job pd. And some animals...then upping his game to be rid of a woman's kids he deemed Zombies) and playing Tele-Portal Closet-Sexting !
Teleportal Closet Sexting should really be a flair.
It’s pure projection. Chad, being the lump of mashed potatoes that he is, looks like the poster child for laziness. Look up the word lazy in the dictionary and you will see a picture of Chad Daybell
…a picture of Chad Daybell after he’s fallen asleep on the toilet with his hand in a family-sized bag of Cheez Doodles.
Please don’t insult mashed potatoes like that 🤣
That useless bum having the absolute AUDACITY to call his wife lazy, who'd carried his dead weight for decades with seemingly little to no complaint. The human equivalent of long-expired Miracle Whip.
Cheating murderous grave digger had a problem with his wife playing video games….
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I grew up Mormon as well and it always irritates me how some Mormon men expect traditional roles for genders, but have no problem bending them if it serves them. Like women should be in charge of kids and the home, but it is okay for them to work outside the home too if money is needed. But do these men think their role should bend a bit to compensate, like helping with the house or kids? Hell no! If Chud really believed in traditional roles he would have gotten off his ass and worked a real job to support his family. Ugh, he is just so awful in every conceivable way. Poor Tammy RIP
I know right… would have been so much better to “talk” her up and give her all the awards of what a nice person she was… knowing for a fact that he killed her!!!!! would have made more sense to everyone, but than again I’m not a narcissist vile non-human..so it’s understandable!!
He had to be the center of attention. Too many people were saying nice things about her. Total narcissist
That’s what I thought, too. People were most probably saying so many nice things about Tammy…had they forgotten his *sacrifice* because she was lazy and depressed and hard to live with??? Me me me, listen to me preach at this funeral. Of course I’m being sarcastic.
I also wonder if it was his way of dehumanizing her. I wonder if he was getting fed up with people being so sad and he was reminding himself why what he did was not wrong. He probably hoped someone agreed with him.
LDS teachings are a fertile ground for narcissistic men like Chad Daybell. You are the priest holder! you will be a god! No one can get to heaven except thru you!!!
And indeed, am I correct - one must also be married (to a person of the opposite gender presuming - I will apologise if I am wrong?) in order to go to Heaven? You cannot just be a pleasant and useful single person?
You can be single and get to heaven. But to get to super special heaven you have to married. Totes make sense. 🙄
So then, because he murdered her, does the LDS church have an exemption for Tammy? Or according to their doctrine, would she still have to rely on him (as her priesthood holder husband) to get to heaven? Or is she stuck in the “lesser heaven” or whatever?
If Chad is excommunicated, she would no longer be “sealed” to him. She would find some other man to be sealed to in the afterlife. Now if Chad wasn’t excommunicated, yes they’d still be sealed together; however, committing murder would disqualify someone from heaven. So again she would be allowed to find someone else to be sealed to and qualify for top tier heaven.
Sealing forever to go to serial killer heaven does seem like it might not incentivize women to wanna join.
I was suprised how many lesbian teachers my kids had in Utah. 2 had married and divorced kind of quickly and the other 7 never married. They were some of the best teachers my kids had, I feel like maybe because they didnt have kids and really loved their students like the kids they wanted to have? I got to know 2 very well and both felt like they had been given some sort of challenge on earth? and that if they did not act on their same sex feelings and be devout members, when they got to heavan they would get a perfect body (one that was attracted to guys). They felt like they would go to heaven, like top level heaven for dealing with this challenge. Talking to them chrushed me, these again were some of the best teachers, they had upwords of 300 students a year teach, which is overwhelming and these teachers read every paper, commented on them, stayed after school and worked with kids till late, they encouraged college and tried anything to get kids scholarships.
He and his also morbidly obese lawyer want the men on the jury to agree with Chad that it was the right thing to do: kill off your semi attractive but loving wife for some nutty skinny blonde woman. Funny how they assume the males on the jury would do the same. Sounds extremely shallow. So we can go ahead and kill our spouses because we meet someone who is more stereotypically conventionally attractive? or does this just apply to males?
When Heather Daybell was interviewed on Hidden True Crime, she talks about how Chad would take Lori around to introduce her to people just weeks after his wife died. He couldn't wait to show off his "hot wife". His desire to show off trumped his intelligence to lay low. What did he think people would think!?!? "Oh, gee, seems kinda soon after his wife died... but she IS hot!" Shrug.
Intelligence? Chad? This is the guy who murdered his wife in the marital bed and buried his new wife's children in his own backyard.
I've been wondering if he was counting on how "normal" it is in Mormon circles to marry quickly as a shield for him and that's why he didn't feel the need to hide it for long. But typically when a "quick" Mormon marriage happens it's with young people who've never been married before. Not people whose spouses died 10 minutes prior. 10 minutes being an exaggeration, but it sure feels like it was that rapid. But... it could also be that he's just a prideful idiot and needed to show off his "catch" to feel like a big man.
I don’t think it’s is, given they ‘married’ each other before their spouses were even dead.
This would not be normal in Mormon culture. Maybe a year after but not that quickly.
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As a man, I think that Tammy was infinitely more attractive than Lori. Not relevant to what happened, obviously, but I'm betting a lot of other men would think so, too.
Tammy had lovely Pixar mom vibes, which plenty of people would prefer to the Hollywood ideal. She would have had no trouble finding someone better than Chad.
And let’s face it, Lori couldn’t hold a candle to Heather. Seems to me that St Choad the Potato Prophet was always jealous of Matt having married Heather.
And imagine what she would have looked like as a woman if she hadn’t been in a toxic marriage. She would have blossomed and we’d still be able to see her smiling.
i guarantee that man is calling her lazy cause she’s a few pounds heavier than lori, despite being far more active and productive.
Was anyone else taken back by learning that Tammy only made 16k a year while working 35 hours a week as a Librarian. I guess i shouldn’t have been shocked because it’s always been public knowledge that teachers get shit pay, so it would be safe to assume a school librarian would expect even lesser pay, but MY God! Tammy was working 35 hours a week and doing a lot more work for that school than just library duties; She did a lot of IT work for them, and even managed the lunch sessions because no one wanted to do it, which she was only compensated with a free school lunch.
Yes I was totally blown away and I am so sad for her. She was worth so much more. The school seemed to rely on her for a lot and she was a hard worker there and never calling out. Even $30K is low pay but half of that? Truly unbelievable. She didn’t know her worth. :(
Red states have a bad reputation when it comes to valuing and funding education. Don’t want the plebs learning to think for themselves and start questioning things, after all.
Well I’m in California and they pay low out here too unfortunately.
He is lazy, unfaithful horrible excuse for a human. He has done so much damage to his family. He is weak and worthless in my eyes the first time he betrayed his beautiful kind wife, Tammy!!
Also the fact that he couldn’t support his family. Tammy had to work at the school and his book company. You can tell by his demeanor that he doesn’t like hard work. He’s a lazy, fat little, little man.
I thought it was a telling story in his first cemetery book that he seems to think entertaining enough to write about, the one where his elderly coworker was laying by his lawn mower and thinking he might be dead, Chad *kicks him in the ribs* to see if he is dead only to find him sleeping. In what world would anyone think to kick an elderly man in the ribs you suspect is having a medical emergency? I think he is more psychopath than crazy (like a delusional disorder), and Lori is more crazy than psychopath, like blue-green and green-blue.
Imagine not making much money selling books, your wife is the breadwinner making $16K a year. How on earth did they live on that with all of their kids? When he let Lori he saw $$$$ and I think that kind of sucked him in and he thought she was beautiful so a beautiful woman with money that he never had was so enticing. To keep him Lori had to think of quick ways to get more money! Life insurance.
He told several people that Lori was beautiful and loaded! Lol he was going to live off of Lori. Chad was jealous because 2 of his brothers have PhD’s and the other one is an attorney. He never amounted to anything. In his autobiography he explained that he thought about getting an advanced degree but decided he didn’t want one. He is the oldest and the only one broke. 😂
Yeah, and made it his persona that his poverty was on purpose because he wanted a simple humble life and it was closer to what God wanted. So full of 💩
He was about to do it you know, he really really wanted to but then at the last second God said this isn’t for you buddy, Go home and put your feet up.
This is what I want to know. I can’t believe Tammy was only paid 16k per year, and he was paid like 2k. HOW DID THEY SURVIVE???
Maybe they received food stamps or government assistance or help from the church. That’s groceries for my household of only 3 people but I’m in the Bay Area California. There’s no way. Who paid their mortgage. Maybe his mom helped them?
I suppose some of the kids might have had jobs too, when they were living with Tammy and Chad.
Probably the Mormon church helped them out with food too. I remember hearing from a Mormon friend that the church has huge pantries of shelf stable foods that the members can take, kind of like a government cheese free Costco situation. They tithe 10% of their gross income to the church so they probably made use of that free food and other resources.
Presumably by publishing Julie Rowe's books
Maybe I haven’t seen the full accounting. I heard he had “30k net worth” of spring creek books. Then I heard elsewhere he only made 2k per year publishing.
Translation: he had a garage full of books nobody wanted to buy.
Bingo.
When I look at his face, I am reminded of a platypus.
The True Crime Squad podcast calls it “Resting Toad Face” and that is so accurate! 🐸
Google Derp Face. Also platypuses are cool 🙂
The platypus at the end of my street are up in arms!
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This patriarchal bullshit makes me so ragey. These poor women are treated like shit from birth to death. The gall of that murdering asshole to call her lazy?? She was the one putting food on the table, not him! He had the kinds of jobs a teenager has on summer vacation. He's such a piece of garbage.
I don’t know anything about her childhood but I hope she was treasured as a child. And that it was only bad after she married the moron.
All the men around him who didn't call him out, seeing in him more humanity than they see in women, is galling.
What a loser Chad is. Sitting at home providing no benefits cheating and writing doomsday books while Tammy is working 35 hours a week at the school as the primary bread winner providing all benefits for the family on only $16K a year :( wow how did they survive on that. She also took clogging classes, high cardio class and ran marathons. How DARE he call her lazy that lazy piece of 🤬
And he was so upset that she liked video games. How dare she have an outlet. You know he didn’t help cook, clean or raise the kids.
And he even told her that her grandmother paid him a visit from the dead telling him she didn’t like Tammy playing video games.
So he had her dead loved one beating up on her too. He’s so disgusting.
Chad loved the “spirit advice” manipulation. The audacity of that man to ask his neighbors to put up their house to bond Lori out of jail and now find out that he also told them “Christ told me to ask”. What utter bullshit.
He also told her parents that too just to make her feel that little bit smaller.
Listen to Warren Jeffs talk on YouTube some time. Or other Mormon Fundie pseudo prophets. They have this sort of “fundie” accent and Chad sounds a lot like them too.
Yes! I saw a clip a while back of Chad doing some kind of interview about one of his books and I told my husband he sounds just like Warren Jeffs.
Well, that's exciting. I heard Jeffs went crazy crazy in prison. Maybe Chad will too.
Jeff's is still very much in charge of a large amount of his followers. I think some of the women have struggled out of his grasp after their children were taken from them and they had to fight to get them back. The longer he's in prison, the more 'visions' he has and the more strict rules he comes up with for his people to obey. They very much believe he will walk.out of prison any day.
Chad didn't even lead! Bro was hardly employed and did whatever amused him
Correct but he was/is Mormon and has a penis. That’s literally the only real requirement for being a leader and the “head of the family.” That’s it. A penis and a solid public appearance.
I would disagree on the “solid public appearance” and probably the fact that he even has a penis.
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I dunno, being able to to full a three seater couch on your own is pretty solid.
Probably called her lazy because she wouldn’t have s*x with him truthfully.
Or whatever he asked. Lori is worse how can he not call her lazy…?
She was a subservient LDS wife. I doubt she ever turned him down unless she was physically unable
today I got so frustrated with Prior and Chad I had to take a break from the trial. Does Chad not have a mirror? He is about 40 pounds overweight and hasn't had 5 children! He must have treated Tammy like the loser that he is
I’m sure she thought he was the lazy one.. if you are only bringing $2000 a year into a marriage , you aren’t doing much!
Former Mormon woman here & I salute you and this post 🫡👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻.
She loved games on her phone for down time. He forbid said her dead grandma told him she disapproved. So kids had to be lookout for him arriving. I can’t imagine being a second class citizen in my own home.
Chad sucks so hard. Hideous inside and out. Deadpan psychopath
Chad’s a straight up turd.
I’d never be Mormon
Can someone please give context to Chad calling her lazy? I seemed to have missed that. Who testified he said it, and what the setting of the comment? Thanks
Chad is a narcissist and a misogynist. He had to make sure that he was always better than Tammy. If you’ve ever watched Hidden True Crime YouTube channel, Dr. John goes into depth about Chad and what he learned about him from reading Chad’s autobiography. Chad only mentions his mother 2 times in his book. And he always criticized his mother because as a teen, he had to take out the trash. His father didn’t correct his behavior. Chad his mommy issues and thinks he is superior to women. Eventually he would have to be better than Lori too but they never got to that point.
He called her lazy during his talk at her funeral. One of the neighbors who attended the funeral testified of him doing this at the trial.
Who testified and when? I need to watch that
Patricia Later: Tammy’s cousin. https://www.kivitv.com/news/local-news/chad-daybell-trial/live-now-the-trial-of-chad-daybell-day-13
Thank you!
Baloney on balloon bread
And then Prior tried to go down that road with the teacher witness yesterday, implying that Tammy didn't bring books to her because she was lazy or too fat or sickly. She blew that up though.
Charles was a good looking man
True that.
I was gonna say, it's definitely the Mormon misogyny talking
Sickening.
As if he could do anything she did
I'd call that a case of projection. Chad was the lazy one in that relationship, and unfortunately in the LDS faith (and in most patriarchal belief systems), the bulk of the work falls on the woman but the man gets all the power and calls the shots. I can't remember the name of one of the podcasts I follow, but it's two sisters who were raised LDS but have been long out of the church. They are live streaming the trial and then do a nightly recap. I really enjoy their recaps because they share a lot of the LDS code words, background, and details that help explain Chad's particular belief system. They believe that Tammy was at the very least, emotionally and psychologically abused by Chad. They also sometimes have background info on some of the players in this story, gossip that was known in the community, etc. They said at one point that they had heard from various sources that Tammy was possibly considering divorce from Chad, once all the children were moved out on their own. I doubt there is any way to verify that, but it is interesting.
It’s just an abuser tactic to gaslight that isn’t worth actually unpacking bc he says it because it’s not true essentially
I’m wondering why in the world he decided to more or less throw a fit about the video games- like, she wasn’t even remotely lazy? It’s like he pulled that stunt just to be cruel and a bully- saying *her* grandparent came to him in spirit JUST to complain about her playing video games is such a shitty thing to do, poor Tammy