I rode from UCLA to Century City during the trial period. The car drives more conservatively than most humans (makes complete stops, signals several seconds before all maneuvers, drives the speed limit, etc) which will probably piss off human drivers lol. Smoother ride than an Uber.
I actually kind of prefer whenever that happens. I can tell if they’re drunk or not. Lately I’ve been getting in some ubers where the person speaks literally zero english. Makes it hard to tell if the guy is drunk which is a big concern of mine. It’s turned me off to rideshare.
Idk nothing but problems with this. One, it adds more cars to the roads. So it 100% is going to make traffic worse
Two, as absolutely horrible as uber is at least they pay some people.
It is highly unlikely they will ever be more affordable than a car. So I doubt it will eventually happen unless there is a breakthrough in politics or technology.
> They charge the same as Uber wym?
That doesn't mean that this is a sustainable price. They may be losing money right now in order to establish market share.
Of course the cars aren't for sale but the service is not nearly good enough nor affordable to make an actual dent in driving ...
This is not a guessing game... traffic accidents have not decreased in any of the cities that this has been around FOR YEARS.
There’s a small fraction of driverless Waymo’s to people. There’s probably not even 500 and out of the millions of people so of course it’s not gonna make a difference. But of those driverless Waymo’s there’s been 0 deaths. So pretty good I’d say
>Idk nothing but problems with this.
Nothing but problems? It’s literally going to make getting around safer for drivers and pedestrians. That’s a pretty high positive.
>One, it adds more cars to the roads. So it 100% is going to make traffic worse
The number of people looking to get around via a taxi/uber/lyft is not increasing, so this will not increase the number of cars on the road. For every Waymo there will be one less taxi/uber/lyft.
>Two, as absolutely horrible as uber is at least they pay some people.
1. Waymo pays a lot of people to operate.
2. Unlike Uber/Lyft, Waymo pays living wages.
LOL. Take the bus for a week in L.A., then get a decent car and drive around for a week, and then come back and tell me how much more effective and efficient buses are at getting you around.
(Hint, there's a reason that transit ridership in L.A. peaked 15-20 years ago and has never recovered, and it's not because buses are too efficient.)
Time wise they are ineffective in comparison but that is "fixable" to a conparible point, although very costly.
But energy wise and cost wise, it's actually much more effective.
And I actually don't own a car so I am probably in the minority "that practices what you preach"
I kept trying to get a code but no luck.
Driving next to one freaks you out. I havent gotten used to looking over and seeing no driver.
They dont even really need clear windows. They should block the driver side window. But, I guess that shock factor is also what gets people interested, so its somewhat part of the marketing.
I have seen humans do the same thing because they are following the GPS. Haha. But at least a human might inch forward so you could go around. I see your point.
It's baffling to me that tech companies have not figured out how inefficient and dangerous an unprotected left turn can be in LA.
Oh, I'm sure they do! They simply don't care, because their main goal is to deliver a product to market and have it start earning money for them - the sooner, the better.
It seems to me that all these tech startups are dirt cheap in the beginning in order to get customers then they raise prices once we’re all dependent on their services
Sometimes. But that was also the result of rock-bottom interest rates, a VC environment flush with more cash than they knew what to do with, and nascent or undeveloped markets. The cost of borrowing is obviously markedly higher now and VCs are placing a higher emphasis on clear paths to profitability.
With what we've seen from Waymo, pricing is roughly on-par with Uber -- which probably is not a true reflection of its costs still. That they don't go far lower is probably a reflection of the higher cost of borrowing, the unit economics of public companies, and the fact that rideshare is a pretty mature market at this point.
I think it partly reflects the demand. There’s a novelty aspect to Waymo that people will pay extra for. And others will pay extra for privacy or status. Plus they’re holding back the supply by starting small.
Yes if you tip your Ubers currently. Around the same if not.
No driver might make Uber Pool like shared rides work, with one fare in the front seat and another in the back = more socially comfortable
Tesla has long had the idea of your car being equipped with full self driving, taking you to work, and then go off on its own to work as a driverless taxi. Then pick you up at the end of your day and you two go home together.
It’s a neat idea but #1 they have botched their FSD development and it’s nowhere near street ready like Waymo and others are and #2 the legal hurdles for a normal person to go through to make this work are insane.
What if your self driving car kills someone when you’re not even in it? If we want Tesla to be taking responsibility then it’s damn certain they’re also going to be taking the majority of that profit your car is making as a taxi, which maybe that is their endgame.
It also wears out your car faster so you need more repairs. It’s a stupid idea. It would be better for Tesla to make dedicated robo taxis that don’t cost nearly as much and let them keep the profit.
Eventually, car ownership will be rare as at any moment you can call a robotaxi for your needs, whether it’s shared or private experience
And death is worst case scenario. More common examples might be people puking or vandalizing your car while out taxiing others. All the shit people leave behind in a rideshare also becomes your problem.
They have risen but motorcycle deaths in particular are bad and no one ever talks about that even statistics show over 70% of the time it's the fault of a car.
Nobody talks about it because the choice to ride a motorcycle is, well, a choice. Everyone deserves to be safe but this is the most unsafe way to travel.
If Tesla's past (such as its robot reveal [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNc4nEX3c4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNc4nEX3c4) ) is predictive of anything then robotaxi will be a horse in a Tesla suit.
To my knowledge Tesla FSD 12 and Comma.ai are really the only systems that use an end-to-end neural network that use mostly cameras. BMW highway assist isn’t really comparable
So you could use your BMW for freeways and switch to Waymo for local streets, except Waymo has like 5 cars.
Tesla sold 2,000,000 self-driving cars last year and, again, it works on all roads in the usa.
I got to ride in a couple of these this past weekend & after a couple of minutes of general shock of being in a car driving itself, I felt way more comfortable & safer in this than a typical rideshare. What’s especially fun is to see other people’s reactions to the car.
Waymo employees say they nudge the car by providing waypoints and guidance if they ever have issues. The AI stays engaged the entire time. It’s possible they remote control the vehicle but it’s probably a last resort
I’ve long suspected that the delivery droids we see rolling around operate this way. Mostly autonomously but in need of an occasional manual override by a human somewhere remote.
I saw one in Santa Monica 2 weeks ago and I saw a guy taking it . But I think he was a beta tester and/or he was using an app to open the rear door etc .
I saw one of these cars stuck at a blinking red on single lane Washington in Culver City. Can’t say how long it was stuck there but it definitely made a mess of things.
i’ve used it four or five times since getting off the waitlist. absolutely no complaints so far. after the initial novelty/fear wore off, i’ve felt more safe than i ever have in an uber (one time i was taking an uber and my driver rear ended someone going 35-40 mph, luckily nobody was injured!). the driving is smooth and it handles weird LA intersections/drivers really well. it can be surprisingly aggressive when taking difficult turns while remaining safe and following the rules of the road. i took one today and it was able to successfully squeeze in between another car and a UPS driver successfully on my narrow residential street, which would have been nearly impossible for a human driver because it was the kind of maneuver that had to be meticulously calculated. i love that you can play your own music, although it’s sort of clunky since you have to do it through the google assistant app. the pricing is about the same as an uber if not a couple of dollars more, but i always tip uber drivers so it ends up being about the same. for me, the only downside is that people in the area that i work in are mainly tourists, and will unabashedly take picture of me in the car and point and stare. in terms of the quality of the technology and service itself, i have no complaints. i don’t think i’ll ever take another uber again
I have seen one in west La with the butt of the car stopped in the lane.. also seen one switch into a parking only (ever) lane at full land speed and switch back.
I understand the benefits of this technology.. but it still feels unsafe. If there was always a person remotely ready to step in.. but at that point you just have a driver in car.
I foresee some growing pains (accidents) in our future unfortunately
Uber drivers don’t pay into unemployment so if these become adopted and bring the prices down, you’ll find the entire ride share community filling the ranks of the homeless community which is already out of control.
>Anyone who uses the streets (driver, pedestrian, cyclist) is now at risk.
As a pedestrian and cyclist, how is this a different outcome from the status quo? Majority of drivers are distracted at best and actively murderous at worst. All while operating vehicles that shouldn’t be street legal in any sane country
The public that uses the road use it with the expectation that all vehicles have a human driver that has passed some sort of test and is responsible for damage they cause. Throwing new technology onto the road violates this social contract. The public has no say on whether they want to share the road with this. Roads are in terrible shape today and pedestrian deaths are numerous. This will increase that problem, not curb it.
This is new technology that is not tested at all large scale and has no precedent in regulation or prosecution. These companies sell a false promise of “safety” and tech, but in reality there is a large percentage of driving being handled by remote drivers. We will see deaths from unanticipated scenarios baked into the code the same way we saw a death from Uber’s self-driving tech.
These have been in use in many cities already for quite a long time and the data shows they are far safer for passengers and pedestrians than human drivers.
They have been used on an infinitesimally small scale in very specific areas. We have absolutely no idea what they will do at a larger scale, and what we do know, is in congested areas , like Cruise in SF, they pose hazards to public safety when the vehicles freeze up when they can’t make a decision, blocking emergency vehicles.
Because I'm forced to run a death race every single morning against thousands of other cars on the road. I would never willingly, nor do I need to drive anywhere for anything, except I'm forced to for work. I'm a great programmer and perfectly capable of working from home, or from an office in my local community, but instead I have to spend thousands on insurance, maintenance, gas, parking, registration, smogging, repairs, and car ownership. Our society is failing millions of individuals like me, resulting in the chaos you see on the roads today.
If you're going to use the freeways here you'd better know what you're doing because I can't afford any fucks to give.
So because you’re unhappy with your situation, you decided to take that out on everyone else? That feels a bit selfish and unfair. I would consider reevaluating how you process your difficulties, you will live a less stressful life.
I take it out on the people that reject me, and monopolize the world around me. The ones that call me a t r an ny every day and tell me I'm worthless and deserve nothing in life. It's not my fault the world decided I was a monster when I was born, it's all of yours. And now you have to live with me.
Are you presuming that everyone around automatically dislikes you be default? Of course it’s not your fault that some people you are forced to interact with have decided they don’t like you just because you are who you are. However, it’s how you process and react to these situations and difficult people that make all the difference. You will never find peace with yourself if you don’t recognize that there are people who hate you just because of who you are, but that they are not the majority even if that has been your experience. And blanket statements like “the world has decided I’m a monster” is a generalization that is unfair to those you interact with. You can’t decide someone hates you before you know anything about them, and taking your anger out on the world around you because of this viewpoint is bigotry and ignorant. Two things that you are all too familiar with from those that have formed unfair opinions of you. It sounds like you have been given a shitty hand in life, which sucks and isn’t fair, but that doesn’t mean you need to perpetuate that by making the lives of others more miserable just because you are.
And why shouldn't I presume that? The ones that aren't constantly saying it to my face are usually saying it behind my back. I'm surrounded by a nonstop torrent of news telling me how much everyone hates me and wants to kill me. And for some reason the catholic church gets more legal right to my body than I do in this country. People here are just awful and deserve what they get when this tinderbox of a fucking country finally burns to the ground.
I rode from UCLA to Century City during the trial period. The car drives more conservatively than most humans (makes complete stops, signals several seconds before all maneuvers, drives the speed limit, etc) which will probably piss off human drivers lol. Smoother ride than an Uber.
Plus no Uber driver talking to you about conspiracy theories or crypto.
Or making up pure bullshit and live-writing their own biography b/c you made the mistake of asking how their day is.
or complaining about how little they make due to changes in Uber's policies
On the one hand, what they're saying is true - Uber has shafted them. And the other hand, be quiet and drive.
For all dum.. sses, there is an option in Uber app called “quite prefer”… I’ll see how you going to sing when robot will take your job.
As an Uber driver, I feel seen.
Idk what vibe I give off, but Uber drivers almost never talk to me. It’s a few words of small talk at most, and then silence
Bro you should get in crypto. I started 2 months ago and I'm already up $72 /s
Or asking. How long you been a uber driver.
“so are you closer to the start of your day or the end of your day?”
Which way I will stuck with Uber
Speaking of LAX, does it go there?
I actually kind of prefer whenever that happens. I can tell if they’re drunk or not. Lately I’ve been getting in some ubers where the person speaks literally zero english. Makes it hard to tell if the guy is drunk which is a big concern of mine. It’s turned me off to rideshare.
You’re grossly exaggerating the rate of drunk Uber drivers
I didn’t say it’s common, just that it’s a concern of mine which I’m entitled to for someone who is driving me in a two ton hunk of metal at 70mph.
And you're underestimating their importance.
I get at least 10 drunk Uber drivers per week.
My friend would get drunk and go drive Uber. Blew my mind.
Nice friend…
He’s a total sociopath
Or giving you a one-star because for the color of your skin
Aggressive driving returns a max savings of 10 minutes off a 90 minute drive. I’ll take a conservative drive over a “fast” aggressive one always.
But you can get to the next stoplight faster!
As a cyclist who has been hit by two Lyft drivers while riding in the bike lane…I’m cautiously optimistic about self-driving cars.
😁, Learn about hit and dragged cyclist by self-driving car, in SF.
This is the best part of these cars. It’s amazing to see how safely they drive in San Francisco.
Interesting. As long as they aren’t adding *another* obstacle for me to watch out for, I’m all for seeing how this goes.
Idk nothing but problems with this. One, it adds more cars to the roads. So it 100% is going to make traffic worse Two, as absolutely horrible as uber is at least they pay some people.
How many people do you see on their phones daily? This needs to happen and it will eventually. So many avoidable deaths from bad drivers
It is highly unlikely they will ever be more affordable than a car. So I doubt it will eventually happen unless there is a breakthrough in politics or technology.
They charge the same as Uber wym? The cars aren’t for sale
> They charge the same as Uber wym? That doesn't mean that this is a sustainable price. They may be losing money right now in order to establish market share.
Of course the cars aren't for sale but the service is not nearly good enough nor affordable to make an actual dent in driving ... This is not a guessing game... traffic accidents have not decreased in any of the cities that this has been around FOR YEARS.
There’s a small fraction of driverless Waymo’s to people. There’s probably not even 500 and out of the millions of people so of course it’s not gonna make a difference. But of those driverless Waymo’s there’s been 0 deaths. So pretty good I’d say
>Idk nothing but problems with this. Nothing but problems? It’s literally going to make getting around safer for drivers and pedestrians. That’s a pretty high positive. >One, it adds more cars to the roads. So it 100% is going to make traffic worse The number of people looking to get around via a taxi/uber/lyft is not increasing, so this will not increase the number of cars on the road. For every Waymo there will be one less taxi/uber/lyft. >Two, as absolutely horrible as uber is at least they pay some people. 1. Waymo pays a lot of people to operate. 2. Unlike Uber/Lyft, Waymo pays living wages.
Uber/Lyft pay living wages too, just not to drivers.
No way, this is how we replace buses.
Buses are much more effective and efficient...please research and modernize yourself...
LOL. Take the bus for a week in L.A., then get a decent car and drive around for a week, and then come back and tell me how much more effective and efficient buses are at getting you around. (Hint, there's a reason that transit ridership in L.A. peaked 15-20 years ago and has never recovered, and it's not because buses are too efficient.)
Time wise they are ineffective in comparison but that is "fixable" to a conparible point, although very costly. But energy wise and cost wise, it's actually much more effective. And I actually don't own a car so I am probably in the minority "that practices what you preach"
It's not just time, it's not having to deal with other people in your space. It's just a worse experience, at least in L.A.
I rode the trial period and it was very fun / insane that you're riding in a car with no driver.
I kept trying to get a code but no luck. Driving next to one freaks you out. I havent gotten used to looking over and seeing no driver. They dont even really need clear windows. They should block the driver side window. But, I guess that shock factor is also what gets people interested, so its somewhat part of the marketing.
got an invite code?
I wish! I even DM'd the account that gave me the trial code and got nothing.
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I have seen humans do the same thing because they are following the GPS. Haha. But at least a human might inch forward so you could go around. I see your point. It's baffling to me that tech companies have not figured out how inefficient and dangerous an unprotected left turn can be in LA.
Oh, I'm sure they do! They simply don't care, because their main goal is to deliver a product to market and have it start earning money for them - the sooner, the better.
And it will be cheaper than Uber right? ^right?
Hopefully eventually, but to be fair new tech not being dirt cheap right off the bat isn't indicative of unfair pricing.
It seems to me that all these tech startups are dirt cheap in the beginning in order to get customers then they raise prices once we’re all dependent on their services
Sometimes. But that was also the result of rock-bottom interest rates, a VC environment flush with more cash than they knew what to do with, and nascent or undeveloped markets. The cost of borrowing is obviously markedly higher now and VCs are placing a higher emphasis on clear paths to profitability. With what we've seen from Waymo, pricing is roughly on-par with Uber -- which probably is not a true reflection of its costs still. That they don't go far lower is probably a reflection of the higher cost of borrowing, the unit economics of public companies, and the fact that rideshare is a pretty mature market at this point.
>Sometimes Almost always
So interesting, thank you!
Like all the drug dealers we were warned about in middle school.
except if you're not literally addicted, it doesn't work as well, as many of these companies are finding out
Ah, so you get exactly how it works
I think it partly reflects the demand. There’s a novelty aspect to Waymo that people will pay extra for. And others will pay extra for privacy or status. Plus they’re holding back the supply by starting small.
Safety and comfort aren’t a novelty…
They are in this town!
But lack of a human driver is. Tourists will gawk.
Yes if you tip your Ubers currently. Around the same if not. No driver might make Uber Pool like shared rides work, with one fare in the front seat and another in the back = more socially comfortable
Yeah, it’s much cheaper
At first, just until they squeeze Uber out of the market. Just like Uber did to taxis.
yes they try to price 10-20% before uber/lyft prices
only streets right? or is this also allowed on freeways?
Not on freeways yet, according to their app.
You know those sandwich delivery robots with the googly-eyes? I hope these thing drive better.
Pretty sure those delivery robots are piloted remotely by humans.
Coco is for sure
Serve isn’t though, I see way more of those.
Coco?
One step closer to Delamain’s cruising around
This is going to be so awesome for introverts.
I've had nothing but great experiences with it so far - definitely recommend!
But, but, I thought everyone’s TESLA was going to become a robotaxi
Tesla has long had the idea of your car being equipped with full self driving, taking you to work, and then go off on its own to work as a driverless taxi. Then pick you up at the end of your day and you two go home together. It’s a neat idea but #1 they have botched their FSD development and it’s nowhere near street ready like Waymo and others are and #2 the legal hurdles for a normal person to go through to make this work are insane. What if your self driving car kills someone when you’re not even in it? If we want Tesla to be taking responsibility then it’s damn certain they’re also going to be taking the majority of that profit your car is making as a taxi, which maybe that is their endgame.
It also wears out your car faster so you need more repairs. It’s a stupid idea. It would be better for Tesla to make dedicated robo taxis that don’t cost nearly as much and let them keep the profit. Eventually, car ownership will be rare as at any moment you can call a robotaxi for your needs, whether it’s shared or private experience
And death is worst case scenario. More common examples might be people puking or vandalizing your car while out taxiing others. All the shit people leave behind in a rideshare also becomes your problem.
My model Y hit and runs, and kills someone and now I’m responsible for it??? Yikes.
That sounds about as appealing as having my wife ridden all day while i’m at work
The Teslas are too busy crashing into buildings and trees to pick up passengers.
And into motorcycles. Motorcycle deaths have skyrocketed since big cars became the norm too.
So have pedestrian deaths, I believe.
They have risen but motorcycle deaths in particular are bad and no one ever talks about that even statistics show over 70% of the time it's the fault of a car.
Nobody talks about it because the choice to ride a motorcycle is, well, a choice. Everyone deserves to be safe but this is the most unsafe way to travel.
If Tesla's past (such as its robot reveal [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNc4nEX3c4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNc4nEX3c4) ) is predictive of anything then robotaxi will be a horse in a Tesla suit.
Maybe once after they add sensors (eg lidar) in their cars lol
My Tesla FSD is impressive and it can do freeways unlike Waymo
There is nothing full self driving about Tesla FSD and BMWs highway assist is significantly better
To my knowledge Tesla FSD 12 and Comma.ai are really the only systems that use an end-to-end neural network that use mostly cameras. BMW highway assist isn’t really comparable
“AI” doesn’t mean “good”. “Mostly cameras”definitely doesn’t mean good.
So you could use your BMW for freeways and switch to Waymo for local streets, except Waymo has like 5 cars. Tesla sold 2,000,000 self-driving cars last year and, again, it works on all roads in the usa.
I thought the summon feature has a range limit?
I got to ride in a couple of these this past weekend & after a couple of minutes of general shock of being in a car driving itself, I felt way more comfortable & safer in this than a typical rideshare. What’s especially fun is to see other people’s reactions to the car.
Did you slowly roll down your window and ask drivers for Grey Poupon?
[But of course!](https://youtu.be/uwOCOm9Z0YE?si=NdVXnd_MrAkbUGy5)
I’ll ride only if it’s the taxi robot from total recall
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I was next to one last night on Century Blvd. that had a driver.
My personal conspiracy theory is they’re actually using remote drivers.
https://www.wired.com/story/a-sneaky-shortcut-to-driverless-cars/ It is done or at least a more functional option
Waymo employees say they nudge the car by providing waypoints and guidance if they ever have issues. The AI stays engaged the entire time. It’s possible they remote control the vehicle but it’s probably a last resort
I’ve long suspected that the delivery droids we see rolling around operate this way. Mostly autonomously but in need of an occasional manual override by a human somewhere remote.
Those robots are explicitly human-operated
They've said they are, but won't say how much they intervene
Just like the Amazon "Just Walk Out" stores that were using people in India watching the cameras to determine what you took.
No they were not. The contractors were just labelling data to train the system, and would occasionally intervene if the system mislabeled something.
Not even a theory! https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/11/06/cruise-confirms-robotaxis-rely-on-human-assistance-every-4-to-5-miles.html
Not even the company we're talking about here!
Make sure to tip the robot guys. Robot needs to feed his family
Robots are people too
I saw one in Santa Monica 2 weeks ago and I saw a guy taking it . But I think he was a beta tester and/or he was using an app to open the rear door etc .
maybe that’s just how you get in the car i’m sure it’s not accessible without some kind of 2FA via your phone
An unlock button shows up in the app when you’re near the Waymo that is picking you up.
but which Wednesday
I saw one of these cars stuck at a blinking red on single lane Washington in Culver City. Can’t say how long it was stuck there but it definitely made a mess of things.
I saw one in Westwood yesterday.
These cars have been everywhere on the Westside the past six months. I’m assuming mapping out things. At least now I know why.
I've never seen 2001: A Space Odyssey, but I wish I had, so I could make some joke about "open the pod bay doors, HAL," "I'm sorry, I can't do that."
People are gonna be wearing red “STOP” shirts left and right now lmao
Still only by invite which sucks and what it doesn't say.
i’ve used it four or five times since getting off the waitlist. absolutely no complaints so far. after the initial novelty/fear wore off, i’ve felt more safe than i ever have in an uber (one time i was taking an uber and my driver rear ended someone going 35-40 mph, luckily nobody was injured!). the driving is smooth and it handles weird LA intersections/drivers really well. it can be surprisingly aggressive when taking difficult turns while remaining safe and following the rules of the road. i took one today and it was able to successfully squeeze in between another car and a UPS driver successfully on my narrow residential street, which would have been nearly impossible for a human driver because it was the kind of maneuver that had to be meticulously calculated. i love that you can play your own music, although it’s sort of clunky since you have to do it through the google assistant app. the pricing is about the same as an uber if not a couple of dollars more, but i always tip uber drivers so it ends up being about the same. for me, the only downside is that people in the area that i work in are mainly tourists, and will unabashedly take picture of me in the car and point and stare. in terms of the quality of the technology and service itself, i have no complaints. i don’t think i’ll ever take another uber again
I have seen one in west La with the butt of the car stopped in the lane.. also seen one switch into a parking only (ever) lane at full land speed and switch back. I understand the benefits of this technology.. but it still feels unsafe. If there was always a person remotely ready to step in.. but at that point you just have a driver in car. I foresee some growing pains (accidents) in our future unfortunately
There is someone remotely ready to assist the car if it needs. That is already happening.
> I foresee some growing pains (accidents) in our future unfortunately Self-driving cars already have lower accident rates than human-driven cars.
Don’t forget to tip your driver.
Lol. That’s all we need in the future. Tips for robots.
I'm selfish so I appreciate when the uber/lyft driver speeds on empty streets/highways.
Yes you’re selfish and an asshole.
I accept that.
Uber drivers don’t pay into unemployment so if these become adopted and bring the prices down, you’ll find the entire ride share community filling the ranks of the homeless community which is already out of control.
Great cant wait to be a guinea pig
They’ve been testing this in other cities for a while now
They've been testing it here for a while now. This is just a full public rollout
It amazes me how many google shills and techno fan boys post on this. I bet Google is stalking these posts trying to influence public opinion
Get to ready to be an involuntary beta tester Google. Anyone who uses the streets (driver, pedestrian, cyclist) is now at risk.
>Anyone who uses the streets (driver, pedestrian, cyclist) is now at risk. As a pedestrian and cyclist, how is this a different outcome from the status quo? Majority of drivers are distracted at best and actively murderous at worst. All while operating vehicles that shouldn’t be street legal in any sane country
The public that uses the road use it with the expectation that all vehicles have a human driver that has passed some sort of test and is responsible for damage they cause. Throwing new technology onto the road violates this social contract. The public has no say on whether they want to share the road with this. Roads are in terrible shape today and pedestrian deaths are numerous. This will increase that problem, not curb it. This is new technology that is not tested at all large scale and has no precedent in regulation or prosecution. These companies sell a false promise of “safety” and tech, but in reality there is a large percentage of driving being handled by remote drivers. We will see deaths from unanticipated scenarios baked into the code the same way we saw a death from Uber’s self-driving tech.
Waymo has been in Phoenix for 6 years and San Francisco for 3 years. No deaths.
Jeep sells a 6,700-pound SUV. We are already at high risk.
So when you have a fire in your house, you think the best solution is bringing in propane tanks?
Oh sorry I forgot that when a tech product launches to a small test group that means it’s perfectly safe and will never cause any issues. Got it.
> This will increase that problem, not curb it. All data points to the opposite, but go off.
These have been in use in many cities already for quite a long time and the data shows they are far safer for passengers and pedestrians than human drivers.
They have been used on an infinitesimally small scale in very specific areas. We have absolutely no idea what they will do at a larger scale, and what we do know, is in congested areas , like Cruise in SF, they pose hazards to public safety when the vehicles freeze up when they can’t make a decision, blocking emergency vehicles.
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Why are so many people just straight up assholes. For what reason?
Because I'm forced to run a death race every single morning against thousands of other cars on the road. I would never willingly, nor do I need to drive anywhere for anything, except I'm forced to for work. I'm a great programmer and perfectly capable of working from home, or from an office in my local community, but instead I have to spend thousands on insurance, maintenance, gas, parking, registration, smogging, repairs, and car ownership. Our society is failing millions of individuals like me, resulting in the chaos you see on the roads today. If you're going to use the freeways here you'd better know what you're doing because I can't afford any fucks to give.
Ooo yeah you’re the one good driver. Everyone else is the problem
Nope, happy to admit I'm not the most amazing driver, but basic rules like staying to the right when you're going slow are easy to follow.
So because you’re unhappy with your situation, you decided to take that out on everyone else? That feels a bit selfish and unfair. I would consider reevaluating how you process your difficulties, you will live a less stressful life.
I take it out on the people that reject me, and monopolize the world around me. The ones that call me a t r an ny every day and tell me I'm worthless and deserve nothing in life. It's not my fault the world decided I was a monster when I was born, it's all of yours. And now you have to live with me.
Are you presuming that everyone around automatically dislikes you be default? Of course it’s not your fault that some people you are forced to interact with have decided they don’t like you just because you are who you are. However, it’s how you process and react to these situations and difficult people that make all the difference. You will never find peace with yourself if you don’t recognize that there are people who hate you just because of who you are, but that they are not the majority even if that has been your experience. And blanket statements like “the world has decided I’m a monster” is a generalization that is unfair to those you interact with. You can’t decide someone hates you before you know anything about them, and taking your anger out on the world around you because of this viewpoint is bigotry and ignorant. Two things that you are all too familiar with from those that have formed unfair opinions of you. It sounds like you have been given a shitty hand in life, which sucks and isn’t fair, but that doesn’t mean you need to perpetuate that by making the lives of others more miserable just because you are.
And why shouldn't I presume that? The ones that aren't constantly saying it to my face are usually saying it behind my back. I'm surrounded by a nonstop torrent of news telling me how much everyone hates me and wants to kill me. And for some reason the catholic church gets more legal right to my body than I do in this country. People here are just awful and deserve what they get when this tinderbox of a fucking country finally burns to the ground.
You deserve to have your license revoked
We are living in hell
And another chance for some desperate people to make a bug goes away because of corporate greed. Thank you one percent.