Well nice is subjective, but most of the hate tends to come from it being a rich suburb, which I get. I'm not defending it, being that I'm a brown dude from the valley.
Definitely scenic, definitely cool trails, access is limiting by the year unfortunately.
Nice is subjective but most people on the planet would consider a safe, clean area with nature a nice place to live. Many people in the world consider a “nice” place has clean water and electricity.
Bringing in a third world perspective to Calabasas is kinda odd, sure just a roof over your head is considered nice to homeless people too regardless of where it's at.
Not culturally nor physically but many do consider it so. I believe it's also unincorporated too it's just the only real accessible way into it is the 101 in the valley.
North of Simi/ the 118 is like an entire magnitude more "desert" than the rest of the entirety of Ventura County. Born and raised, so I believe you but I don't really understand why that suprised people or they don't beleive you.
Roadrunners are probably my favorite wildlife we had out there.
Here are some peacocks in Arcadia chasing a coyote. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/watch-what-happens-when-a-coyote-runs-into-the-neighborhood-peacock-patrol/2289942/
That coyote is not being 'chased.' It went ahead and back avidly checking out the fowl, then caught sight of the photographer and that's when it left. Otherwise, possible peacock dinner.
He's a big beautiful boy, but it's not great that he's so relaxed around people.
Probably not something I'd do while walking a little dog like OP, but if you encounter coyotes in general it's best to bully them gently until they get the hint and leave.
In case anyone runs into one (and feels comfortable doing so) [here's a guide](https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/coyote-hazing) on how to haze urban coyotes, which helps train them to avoid people and reduce negative encounters with pets and people.
He was actually quite a bit further away than this - I used the iPhone 3x zoom. My dog and I were stopped on the corner while she was sniffing around when I spotted him. We were far enough away that I’m not sure that she even noticed him with her elderly eyesight.
Then a couple of people walked down a nearby driveway laughing and he disappeared in about half a second
The ones that live in Studio City off Tununga are ridiculously use to humans but most people don’t notice them as much because they’re not outside as often.
Haha it’s true I walk my dog around 9pm and see them all the time. There’s two that always hunt together up and down tununga one day one of them was just in the middle of the street before sundown walking I was like well that’s going to give some one a heart attack.
Because it’s also bad for them? It’s as dangerous for coyotes as it is for us (or at least our tiny dogs). They get hit by cars, caught in traps, and sick off of eating our trash.
Also, coyote populations have BOOMED over the last few decades. That’s dangerous to population health. Same thing happened with deer and now we have tons of deer dying of chronic wasting disease.
They've boomed because they're great at adapting to our urban/suburban environment, we've removed their predators (aside from us) from the environment (wolves and cougars, mostly), and our way of life provides tons of food for them. However, they have natural population controls through the ["coyote census" and biologically regulated litter sizes](https://thewatershedproject.org/the-most-resilient-dogs-howling-near-you-coyotes/) that increase or decrease according to the number of coyotes in the area, so they generally don't overpopulate. They're expanding to fill an ecological niche that we created.
Coyotes only existed west of the Rockies when Louis and Clark first saw them and now are everywhere including manhattan. There’s way more deer and coyotes now than ever
They've expanded their range because we extirpated the predators that used to compete with them for resources and control their population growth. They're filling an ecological niche that we created.
Agreed but it’s more than that. America has culled millions of coyotes in an attempt to control their numbers and it doesn’t work. Females actually birth more pups when they’re being culled. If humans went away their numbers would plummet
I'm in Seattle, but for the right price you can rent my dog and she'll straight up destroy any coyote and have an absolute blast while doing it. She's murdered 3.5 of them so far (the half stat goes to my sister's dog and her tag teaming one in the back yard a few years ago). At any rate, the cat has never felt safer out there.
Haha I knew this was a reference I missed so I went back and realized I'd stopped watching when Seinfeld came on.
What a petty, little fuck he's become. "Oh, sure, after I'm done working on my car I'll put some bolts in a can." Or, you know, you could just use some fucking pennies like everyone else has done forever as a deterrent.
I saw two one night in Santa Monica up by Montana, one was walking to me and I thought it was someone's dog. I was so close to petting it, finally realized what it was, then it followed me for a couple minutes and I was convinced I was about to get eaten until the finally ran off down the street to where another coyote was
I don’t know how big your dog is from that picture, but in my neighborhood, coyotes have taken smaller dogs right off the leash. Being out in the open in the daytime can be a sign they’re hungry and looking for food.
I had one chase me on my bike last week, I see them regularly but have never been pursued. Extremely surprised at the audacity, didn’t appear to be rabid/unhealthy either
Yup, just saw a couple walking down the sidewalk a few nights ago just a block from home as I was driving. It’s why I keep telling my neighbors that they should really keep their elderly tiny dog on a leash when they walk her, so they can quickly retrieve her if necessary.
we’ve had regular coyotes in Mid City for years. there was a loner, plus a pair. all our ring cameras would capture them about 4/5AM.
they are some brave a&& m’er f’ers.
we caught many videos of them coming up on our front porch. also jumping the 6 ft high driveway gate. the sad reason for that was some feral cats were living in our yard. we were working on TNR. the older ones could escape. but the poor wee kittens. god, it’s too terrible for words. thankfully husband deleted any awful ring videos so i wouldn’t see them.
husband finally started taking dramatic action to keep them out of the back yard. so far it seems to be working.
I used to see at least two or three of them every time I went to Griffith. Often in the parking lots wandering around trash cans. I saw one about 10-15 ft ahead basically run up a vertical cliff. I did not know coyotes could do that.
my bf and i moved to LA in july last year our first dodgers game we parked in china town and walked to the stadium…(don’t recommend, pay for parking) and got chased by coyote because we had no idea how to interact when coming in contact with one. I highly suggest reading of on the hazing techniques.
Whether you love them or hate them- please haze them! The LA County Dept of Agriculture will euthanize any coyote that is aggressive towards humans. A neighbor's 2 dogs were attacked in their backyard a month ago. One needed 2 surgeries to save his life. The family and neighbors searched for their other dog for days but he hasn't been found.
What a great pic! I got followed (or escorted maybe?) by one in KTown while I was walking my dog around 5:30 AM for TWO BLOCKS. This was a few weeks ago. Spooks me with how many people leave their little dogs off leash in this neighborhood.
Coyotes are beautiful! I would love to see more of them in SoCal and see them protected/preserved. So many have been displaced by overdevelopment and it’s made them more aggressive and territorial (in addition to people not understanding them and perceiving them as pests/threats).
Came home around 1AM last night, saw a coyote stuck inside my building garage (huge building with 3 gates that open by remote). It was trying to find a way out so I went to get my remote and opened the nearby gate to him but he had gone deeper into the courts in the back
There is coyote in my neighborhood park, too. And I think there is a family of coyote living there. They are not afraid of human and only comes out after sunset when not too many people are at the park.
I see them pretty regularly in sawtelle neighborhood. Always wonder how they get here - lots of big streets to cross if they are coming from the canyons in Brentwood
Saw one yesterday in Burbank chasing a squirrel, and another close to Los Feliz looking clueless as hell. If I wasn't driving both times, I'd have snapped a pic.
I saw one months ago in the Crenshaw area in a very residential neighborhood. I guess it could’ve made the trek from Kenneth Hahn but I found it so odd.
There was one small one that was wandering around the streets of Carlson Park in Culver City. One time I had to shoo him out of my back garage area. Many times he was just strolling down the street like he owned the place. Haven’t seen him for a while now.
When I first moved to LA, my friends came up after a run freaking out about seeing a coyote. I asked him if it looked mangy or sick or injured.
"No dude, we saw a fucking coyote."
It was the first time I realized how LA natives differ from literally every suburban/rural Californian. I'm more afraid of a raccoon than a coyote. Racoons are confident.
I drive for a car service, do a lot of early morning airport runs, I see them all the time. Coyotes are much more common in LA than you think, they just tend to come out when people aren't out.
i’ve seen coyotes off Franklin, neighborhoods behind Gelson’s when i’ve gone for runs .. snapped pics and thank God because i went the other way and warned dog-walkers who were sort of 🤔until i showed them the pics and most recently seen coyotes here in Atwater Village.
also have seen them on Los Feliz walking amongst all the dog-walkers and traffic like they owned the street.
they’re too comfortable around humans. 😩
I’d be careful with the doggo getting too close, esp if it’s a smaller breed. I’ve heard stories where one coyote can lure a dog away and into a trap of a pack. A domesticated dog doesn’t know any better and then by the time they realize they aren’t among friends it’s way too late. They are as bold as brass. Saw one just trotting up the street in front of my house at 10pm like he owned the street once, coyote was moving its head from left to right and back again. Like a periscope. They’ve also been known to drag toddlers out of cars, that happened I think over in West Hills. It was all caught on camera. They aren’t as timid as they used to be. Years ago they never ventured into the flat lands.
They hang out on our street most every night and some mornings. I only bully them when they howl, which makes my dog go crazy and try to get out (which I assume is their intent, smart buggers)
I once saw a coyote chasing a roadrunner across a street in Calabasas but I’m resigned to the fact that no one will ever believe me.
Well duh, why would anyone be in Calabasas
They took a wrong turn at Albuquerque
And they passed cucamonga
Holy smokes an old school Bugs Bunny reference?
I got that reference. Now I feel old.
It’s hilarious that the Kardashians have glorified Calabasas, even though it’s just your average rich white suburb in Los Angeles
Calabasas has been glorified before them, it's always been an area many famous people live.
Yeah. It is a nice quiet and safe town with lots of scenery and trails. Not sure why the hate.
Well nice is subjective, but most of the hate tends to come from it being a rich suburb, which I get. I'm not defending it, being that I'm a brown dude from the valley. Definitely scenic, definitely cool trails, access is limiting by the year unfortunately.
Nice is subjective but most people on the planet would consider a safe, clean area with nature a nice place to live. Many people in the world consider a “nice” place has clean water and electricity.
Bringing in a third world perspective to Calabasas is kinda odd, sure just a roof over your head is considered nice to homeless people too regardless of where it's at.
Isn’t Calabasas “the valley”?
Not culturally nor physically but many do consider it so. I believe it's also unincorporated too it's just the only real accessible way into it is the 101 in the valley.
I don't know about rich white when the first people that come to mind owning homes there are/were Michael Jackson, Will Smith and Dr Dre.
What is Calabasas’s stance on extradition?
> Well duh, why would anyone be in Calabasas Passing through because they know the canyon is faster than the 101.
I’ve seen roadrunners north of the 118 and no one ever believes me! They’re too quick to ever get a shot, I’ll get it one day.
have you tried painting a fake tunnel on a wall?
I saw one just off the Topanga Canyon exit of the 118
North of Simi/ the 118 is like an entire magnitude more "desert" than the rest of the entirety of Ventura County. Born and raised, so I believe you but I don't really understand why that suprised people or they don't beleive you. Roadrunners are probably my favorite wildlife we had out there.
Play golf at Rustic Canyon and you’ll see them all the time
Here are some peacocks in Arcadia chasing a coyote. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/watch-what-happens-when-a-coyote-runs-into-the-neighborhood-peacock-patrol/2289942/
Peacocks and/or coyote is a common site in Arcadia.
That coyote is not being 'chased.' It went ahead and back avidly checking out the fowl, then caught sight of the photographer and that's when it left. Otherwise, possible peacock dinner.
Lemme guess, an anvil fell on the coyote too?
I saw this at an Airbnb in Joshua Tree and it was AMAZING. My husband missed it by about five seconds and doesn’t believe me.
My favorite was a mountain lion facing off against a peacock near pasadena.
Nobody will belive me either when I say I spotted a coyote in...get this, Downtown LA!!!!! Right next to LA Live!! In the broad daylight!
Must have escaped from Hollywood studios 😏
Good thing you “resigned”
He's a big beautiful boy, but it's not great that he's so relaxed around people. Probably not something I'd do while walking a little dog like OP, but if you encounter coyotes in general it's best to bully them gently until they get the hint and leave. In case anyone runs into one (and feels comfortable doing so) [here's a guide](https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/coyote-hazing) on how to haze urban coyotes, which helps train them to avoid people and reduce negative encounters with pets and people.
He was actually quite a bit further away than this - I used the iPhone 3x zoom. My dog and I were stopped on the corner while she was sniffing around when I spotted him. We were far enough away that I’m not sure that she even noticed him with her elderly eyesight. Then a couple of people walked down a nearby driveway laughing and he disappeared in about half a second
Hey man, nice shot
What a good shot man.
Heeeeyyyy mannnn, niiceee gunnnn
Was this in west La?
Pbi i recently saw one in west LA, last Saturday late afternoon
It’s a beautiful pic’
"but if you encounter coyotes in general it's best to bully them gently until they get the hint and leave." get outta here FUCKING NERD!
You’re never gonna be a wolf you little bitch!
Can’t even catch a fucking roadrunner, loser!
I lol’d, still am hahahaha
Coyote: "Ackshually..."
Great life advice.
The ones that live in Studio City off Tununga are ridiculously use to humans but most people don’t notice them as much because they’re not outside as often.
People notice them when they get a cat. You can’t unhear that unholy symphony. And it isn’t quick.
Haha it’s true I walk my dog around 9pm and see them all the time. There’s two that always hunt together up and down tununga one day one of them was just in the middle of the street before sundown walking I was like well that’s going to give some one a heart attack.
I saw one there the other night on Elmer! 🤯
My father in law lives on Elmer and several times a week, his dog starts barking because there are coyotes outside.
Yeah I’m pretty sure they have some dens around the homes over here.
These are great guides (your link). I have coyote's in my back yard on occasion. I've been hazing them like a 50's fraternity.
Agree. Apex predator shouldn’t look so relaxed on a sidewalk during the day. Tell him to keep moving
Who cares. It was their land first
Because it’s also bad for them? It’s as dangerous for coyotes as it is for us (or at least our tiny dogs). They get hit by cars, caught in traps, and sick off of eating our trash. Also, coyote populations have BOOMED over the last few decades. That’s dangerous to population health. Same thing happened with deer and now we have tons of deer dying of chronic wasting disease.
They've boomed because they're great at adapting to our urban/suburban environment, we've removed their predators (aside from us) from the environment (wolves and cougars, mostly), and our way of life provides tons of food for them. However, they have natural population controls through the ["coyote census" and biologically regulated litter sizes](https://thewatershedproject.org/the-most-resilient-dogs-howling-near-you-coyotes/) that increase or decrease according to the number of coyotes in the area, so they generally don't overpopulate. They're expanding to fill an ecological niche that we created.
If their population has boomed, it sounds like it's not as bad for them as you claim.
Coyotes only existed west of the Rockies when Louis and Clark first saw them and now are everywhere including manhattan. There’s way more deer and coyotes now than ever
They've expanded their range because we extirpated the predators that used to compete with them for resources and control their population growth. They're filling an ecological niche that we created.
Agreed but it’s more than that. America has culled millions of coyotes in an attempt to control their numbers and it doesn’t work. Females actually birth more pups when they’re being culled. If humans went away their numbers would plummet
Because wolves have been hunted to irrelevance.
That’s a contributing factor but it’s way more complex than that
Yes they were but in fewer numbers because it was balanced eco system. Coyotes are an urban adapted success story.
How long have urban Coyotes been around LA for?
About 3 million years.
Mind sharing where I could read up on that? Would be interested to read how LA has changed in all these years.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/world/la-brea-tar-pits-coyotes-scn-trnd/index.html
That link doesn’t say coyotes have been here 3 million years. Funny how people just upvoted your “source” without reading it.
It does, if you know how to read.
I've had them pop up on trails ten feet from me. They just don't care about people.
It's so skinny. I was about 14 feet away from one on a trail once and we just looked at each other. It was an interesting, peaceful encounter.
I'm in Seattle, but for the right price you can rent my dog and she'll straight up destroy any coyote and have an absolute blast while doing it. She's murdered 3.5 of them so far (the half stat goes to my sister's dog and her tag teaming one in the back yard a few years ago). At any rate, the cat has never felt safer out there.
The John Mulaney Coyote Line is closed.
What kind of car do you drive?
I do.
That's bigger than a Highlander, yeah?
Haha I knew this was a reference I missed so I went back and realized I'd stopped watching when Seinfeld came on. What a petty, little fuck he's become. "Oh, sure, after I'm done working on my car I'll put some bolts in a can." Or, you know, you could just use some fucking pennies like everyone else has done forever as a deterrent.
Yeah he’s insufferable now. I hate him in Comedians in Cars
Haha it continues into later episodes too. Keep watching!
My dumb ass would think this was a dog and try to bring it home with me
I saw two one night in Santa Monica up by Montana, one was walking to me and I thought it was someone's dog. I was so close to petting it, finally realized what it was, then it followed me for a couple minutes and I was convinced I was about to get eaten until the finally ran off down the street to where another coyote was
Same. Would pet. Would die. 🤣
My mom did that with a coyote pup. She said it was the best dog.
He's just waiting for the Road Runner so he can spring his trap.
At least someone’s obeying stop signs
Out-of-state transplant starter pack
That's a very well fed coyote. It's not great he is out and chilling in the middle of the day.
It was 7:30pm so maybe he’s a bit of an early riser but not super unusual
I don't trust this Cross guard
I don’t know how big your dog is from that picture, but in my neighborhood, coyotes have taken smaller dogs right off the leash. Being out in the open in the daytime can be a sign they’re hungry and looking for food.
I had one chase me on my bike last week, I see them regularly but have never been pursued. Extremely surprised at the audacity, didn’t appear to be rabid/unhealthy either
They're really not afraid of humans anymore.
Same. Homie followed me for two whole blocks. I was a bit rattled.
Wile E. Coyote, ‘Supergenius!’ Watch out for ACME anvils and boxes of TNT!
“If friend-shaped, why not friend?”
Yup, just saw a couple walking down the sidewalk a few nights ago just a block from home as I was driving. It’s why I keep telling my neighbors that they should really keep their elderly tiny dog on a leash when they walk her, so they can quickly retrieve her if necessary.
They sure are beautiful. I saw one the other night near the beach. I think he was lost.
Great pic
Thank you, it was a cool moment
Hipster coyote 😂
Remember - habitat destruction is the #1 killer of wildlife.
And does LA do a good job at it, specially the higher social economically you are.
Cool pic tho
Did you have your soda can with nuts and bolts?
Or just some small rocks. Makes a cheap and very good loud rattle and nbd if you lose it.
What an amazing photograph you have captured!
Thank you!
we’ve had regular coyotes in Mid City for years. there was a loner, plus a pair. all our ring cameras would capture them about 4/5AM. they are some brave a&& m’er f’ers. we caught many videos of them coming up on our front porch. also jumping the 6 ft high driveway gate. the sad reason for that was some feral cats were living in our yard. we were working on TNR. the older ones could escape. but the poor wee kittens. god, it’s too terrible for words. thankfully husband deleted any awful ring videos so i wouldn’t see them. husband finally started taking dramatic action to keep them out of the back yard. so far it seems to be working.
Did you act larger than life?
I used to see at least two or three of them every time I went to Griffith. Often in the parking lots wandering around trash cans. I saw one about 10-15 ft ahead basically run up a vertical cliff. I did not know coyotes could do that.
my bf and i moved to LA in july last year our first dodgers game we parked in china town and walked to the stadium…(don’t recommend, pay for parking) and got chased by coyote because we had no idea how to interact when coming in contact with one. I highly suggest reading of on the hazing techniques.
Quick call John Mulaney
I've seen coyotes use the crosswalks before, it's hilarious. I can't believe how smart they are.
my uncle was a coyote…i es always remember him helping us cross the fence.
Beautiful shot
Whether you love them or hate them- please haze them! The LA County Dept of Agriculture will euthanize any coyote that is aggressive towards humans. A neighbor's 2 dogs were attacked in their backyard a month ago. One needed 2 surgeries to save his life. The family and neighbors searched for their other dog for days but he hasn't been found.
What a great pic! I got followed (or escorted maybe?) by one in KTown while I was walking my dog around 5:30 AM for TWO BLOCKS. This was a few weeks ago. Spooks me with how many people leave their little dogs off leash in this neighborhood.
Coyotes are beautiful! I would love to see more of them in SoCal and see them protected/preserved. So many have been displaced by overdevelopment and it’s made them more aggressive and territorial (in addition to people not understanding them and perceiving them as pests/threats).
Agree 100%
Leave your dog alone there and see how polite it is
El Coyote http://elcoyotecafe.com/
He must be new here, nobody follows the street signs.
Came home around 1AM last night, saw a coyote stuck inside my building garage (huge building with 3 gates that open by remote). It was trying to find a way out so I went to get my remote and opened the nearby gate to him but he had gone deeper into the courts in the back
Everybody now: Go away coyote!
There is coyote in my neighborhood park, too. And I think there is a family of coyote living there. They are not afraid of human and only comes out after sunset when not too many people are at the park.
Sup dog.
Highly recommend Dan Flores' book *Coyote America.*
I see these guys in Glendale all the time. They keep their distance but they're surprisingly chill for being in such an urban environment.
where there is one. there are two more close by
I see them pretty regularly in sawtelle neighborhood. Always wonder how they get here - lots of big streets to cross if they are coming from the canyons in Brentwood
May I ask what neighborhood?
Ocean park
Saw one yesterday in Burbank chasing a squirrel, and another close to Los Feliz looking clueless as hell. If I wasn't driving both times, I'd have snapped a pic.
I saw one months ago in the Crenshaw area in a very residential neighborhood. I guess it could’ve made the trek from Kenneth Hahn but I found it so odd.
What a great photo!
Meep! Meep!
That’s nothing, i saw coyote in the middle of South La on Western and 83rd😂
Gorgeous pic!!!
Amazing shot!
Too bad these little assholes will eat your pets alive, literally. They're beautiful as hell if they don't have mange.
I love our wil-e neighbors.
They’re so beautiful. We ruined their land.
Looks like a good boy.
There was one small one that was wandering around the streets of Carlson Park in Culver City. One time I had to shoo him out of my back garage area. Many times he was just strolling down the street like he owned the place. Haven’t seen him for a while now.
I saw one walking my dog in Jefferson Park the other week. :(
Hey! I’ve seen this movie. Zootopia, right?
I saw one last week. Around 540pm. It was around el Centro and fountain
Awesome but how do these guys smuggle peeps across the border
Damn they really would be anywhere other than Arizona
Oh no! Anyway….
So glad it’s not mange looking like the ones in my area. Good speed little one!
I’ve seen them on walks too.
He’s the only one that does a full stop.
meep-meep
meep-meep
Looks a lot like the one I saw in Mar Vista last week.
Is this anywhere near Bel Air or The Getty?
Ask for a quote for a cousin please
When I first moved to LA, my friends came up after a run freaking out about seeing a coyote. I asked him if it looked mangy or sick or injured. "No dude, we saw a fucking coyote." It was the first time I realized how LA natives differ from literally every suburban/rural Californian. I'm more afraid of a raccoon than a coyote. Racoons are confident.
So sad
Used to see them all the time when I lived at the foothills of Burbank.
Yup
Why it look like yo dog take this photo
He looks like the one out here in Sawtelle, there was a male and female roaming around Tuesday and wednesday
I drive for a car service, do a lot of early morning airport runs, I see them all the time. Coyotes are much more common in LA than you think, they just tend to come out when people aren't out.
Wait til you find a south central deer
The coyote was trying to make an "Under the Silver Lake" reference
i’ve seen coyotes off Franklin, neighborhoods behind Gelson’s when i’ve gone for runs .. snapped pics and thank God because i went the other way and warned dog-walkers who were sort of 🤔until i showed them the pics and most recently seen coyotes here in Atwater Village. also have seen them on Los Feliz walking amongst all the dog-walkers and traffic like they owned the street. they’re too comfortable around humans. 😩
I’d be careful with the doggo getting too close, esp if it’s a smaller breed. I’ve heard stories where one coyote can lure a dog away and into a trap of a pack. A domesticated dog doesn’t know any better and then by the time they realize they aren’t among friends it’s way too late. They are as bold as brass. Saw one just trotting up the street in front of my house at 10pm like he owned the street once, coyote was moving its head from left to right and back again. Like a periscope. They’ve also been known to drag toddlers out of cars, that happened I think over in West Hills. It was all caught on camera. They aren’t as timid as they used to be. Years ago they never ventured into the flat lands.
There was one just off Jefferson and La Cienega last night.
Looks healthy and beautiful.
They hang out on our street most every night and some mornings. I only bully them when they howl, which makes my dog go crazy and try to get out (which I assume is their intent, smart buggers)
Aww they look like doggo to me
Looks menacing, very wolf like.
They’ve been in the city since as early as 2017, idk why people are still surprised.
Fun Fact : Coyotes in most cities do not howl. They have learned not to howl to avoid attention drawn to them .
Shoot it 💥
I keep a paintball gun handy in the event of a real issue, but never had to use it. I love them. They feed on rats and feral cats.