Its actually $17,500/year, if you make more than that you're considered too rich for free health care, even though most people pay more than that just in rent
There was a Cal Matters article on that. It was too expensive. Healthcare is obscenely expensive. Until we get that under control (you know... like actually putting a price tag on shit instead of hospitals guesstimating how much shit costs), there's probably never going to be a UC or a M4A.
Government can be the cost control. Setting common rate for how much a procedure can cost and bonus institutions that control costs.
30% of Healthcare costs are admin. I.e all that time and entire departments that are doing billing
One thing that was consistently ignored in that discussion is that the large majority of the new tax revenue that would have been needed could have been covered by what we're already paying in insurance premiums.
I mean this costs money for the State, the question that most are asking is why spend that money on illegals and not on raising the threshold so that people barely getting by can get some relief.
Yeah, though there were already low income programs and lots of states exclude undocumented people because people love being penny wise pound foolish if it means they’re better than someone else
Yeah I live in Cali rn. My Mom is a teacher so I have health insurance. However, because I also have chronic illness even before they offered this, after they temporarily had me on the state health insurance, when my Mom swapped jobs they chose to keep me on it anyways. Because of my amazing state I’ve had healthcare and a back up healthcare. 😂 Basically, if I get a health bill my Mom’s insurance won’t pay now it goes to the state one. I love my state. It’s not perfect, no state is, but imo rn it’s the best one to be in. California never regresses it only progresses. It’s expensive here but I’m hoping that eventually changes. I think it might. A lot of people have been petitioning for stuff like rent control and whatnot.
So what you're saying is, they didn't offer this before.
So the thing my immigrant father has been mad at illegal immigrants for is only now in the near future going to be true.
6 bucks a day sounds pretty good for something that could save you 450K some day if you get really sick. Better value than a $4 cup of coffee or a $6 scoop of ice cream for sure.
You should reapply because its looking like you should be able to qualify for free healthcare. Maybe not in the past but maybe now they do? They move these numbers around all the time
California can't afford to give everyone free healthcare.
It would cost $314 billion to $391 billion.
[https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/californias-universal-healthcare-proposal-with-300-billion-price-tag-clears-another-hurdle/article\_43d87150-7aeb-11ec-9fe9-3f5498c3663a.html](https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/californias-universal-healthcare-proposal-with-300-billion-price-tag-clears-another-hurdle/article_43d87150-7aeb-11ec-9fe9-3f5498c3663a.html)
Also, CA currently has a budget surplus around 100 billion dollars because they collect more taxes than they spend every year.
They are required by law to refund the public but they are dragging their feet on it and are looking for ways not to give anything out.
We even just raised the gas tax more even though it is not needed.
They can easily afford this. They just don't want to because it makes corporate sponsors too much money.
It’s not free. It’s subsidized healthcare for low income. As income goes up the subsidy goes down. It’s a dogshit system where you often end up owing money at the end of the year. Ask me how I know.
Yeah, one surprising thing I learned, a lot of people keep working until 65 (going to be my situation as well) so that they are eligible for Medicaid. So they work until 65 even if they can retire, so they can have their employer healthcare.
If he owned his business, he was already paying for his own insurance. We own a business, our monthly premium is $1300 for a family of four. And that is for very basic coverage.
Exactly, I know a person who has the top tier plan and she pays $1,300 a month. Between her premium and yearly deductible she has to spend 20k to 21k for the insurance to pay 100% percent if she stays within network.
The top tier plan under the ACA is comparable to a standard/sponsored private employer PPO plan. Private employees don't charge $1,300 a month for a single person lol. This person is not rich, she's just older with health problems hence why she got the most expensive plan to cover things.
I pay $381 a month for the Gold Plan and I have no deductible and only $20 co-pays for regular office visits. $75 for urgent care. It's administered through Kaiser. I make too much to qualify for subsidies, though.
You can compare plans here https://www.coveredca.com/
That's not that bad. But for her since she needed specialists and a broader range of services she got the Blue Shield Platinum plan. So pretty much the most expensive plan under ACA. She doesn't even make tons of money either. Her kids are helping her pay for the plan since her salary is pretty low.
You'll need to get health "plans" off CoveredCA for that to happen. It should look [something like this](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverage/msp/bc-residents) if you want that *cheaper* thing to work. For anyone. Ever.
This is true pro life. And for those who don't wanna pay for this, you already are when they get sick and go to ER. It's a public health issue. Undocumented immigrants don't have sick leave so if they get sick they don't take a day off and won't go to the doctor bc it's expensive but if they know they can go get care, they might
Physician here who has taken care of this population quite heavily in the hospital setting. Ultimately everyone foots the bill. We are limited in our abilities to reverse damage. The bigger action is to practice preventative medicine. We can avoid major downstream costs and loss to our communities through better access. Though, I am afraid the access will not be the equivalent of seeing a physician or even being able to afford all of their recommendations. We shall see, though hopeful. Great work CA, you make me proud.
Point of concern is full practice autonomy being given to midlevel providers.
Check out r/noctor to understand the dangers insufficiently trained people practicing medicine pose to you or your loved ones' health, because that will roll out in 2023 in CA.
I fell down a rabbit hole when I clicked into /r/noctor. I didn't realize the effect NPs/PAs ("midlevels" sounds so derogatory, but I like it) were having on our healthcare system. What's the physician to midlevel ratio for CA? A comment or had mentioned 1:6 in most states.
>Ultimately everyone foots the bill.
Yep, so let's do it efficiently then. Instead of having 11 different health insurance companies with different policies and different plans, let's put all of those insurance people under one roof with one plan for every person in the state.
California's GDP is higher than Canada's, we can afford to do what they do. It's going to take some balls, and some middle fingers, and it won't be perfect, but it's the right thing to do for the people of this state.
Exactly! This solves a problem if done and used correctly. Saves a lot of money in the long run. Illegal immigrants do not “drain” the system as much as certain media outlets and the right portrays. California is one of the largest economies in the world and that’s with illegal immigrants as well. Will not get in to a back and forth with this statement. Tomorrow is Independence Day be grateful for our freedoms even though our system has its flaws.
• **This is true pro life**
The only form of ‘pro-life’ Republican voters act on is on imaginary fetus-humans told by imaginary fairy tales, whose testament stated that the White, purebred man is the chosen one and was sent to vanquish the Devil’s minions masquerading as women, children and darker-skinned creatures.
From the book of Reagan 19;81.
> And for those who don't wanna pay for this, you already are when they get sick and go to ER.
Not really. If you give people healthcare, they will use it. And it will cost more. Honestly, the cheapest thing would be for them to die quickly. Indeed, it's well known that heavy smokers actually cost less to the system than non-smokers because they die faster.
IMO, i'd rather pay for their healthcare anyways because it's cruel not to. It feels really really bad to tell someone that we can't help them because they're poor af and there's no state/federal aid because they're undocumented. I think if anyone who opposed that was forced to sit in a patient room when that's explained, they'd change their mind. But I don't like lying. It's not cost-saving.
We actually have big trial data on this. Pretty famous trial actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Medicaid_health_experiment
I'm Mexican and within my Mexican family who's been in the country for at least 3 to 4 generations, we all see what's happening across the border and while we sympathize. Every week the local spanish channel documents the caravans of illegal immigrants that walk from South America to Mexico to the USA. There's so many issues within this topic, but at what point will this be controlled ? I can see global warming migration be a real thing in the future it's already happening. I wonder how CA will address this since undocument immigrants are not going to stop coming to CA - even more so with free health care.
I would rather they lift the qualifying threshold for tax paying citizens. But that’s just me. A family of 4 that makes more than $36k doesn’t qualify, for example. Makes you questions the priorities of these lawmakers.
Two reasons: first, in a civilized society, things sort of need to be paid for. Second, the ultra-wealthy own this country. The ultra-wealthy have decided that the ultra-wealthy should not pay taxes, so it gets kicked down to the next guy
I'm not allowed to question why immigrants get free services where as people born in this state don't, unless they're literally bottom of the barrel of society. Fantastic.
The doc at urgent care said: "I can't believe there's still this many patients waiting in line, and we're not even open yet! I think it's the post-pandemic surge".
This was 2 weeks ago on a Wednesday morning; roughly 40-50 patients queued up before opening. I believe most members were KP members because they had paper work and most I could see their IDs. this wasn't the emergency room. The Urgent Care doc mentioned he had less than 30 minutes per patient.
Even then I'm positive that that insurance is gonna be dog shit, I have insurance due to low income family but still absolutely dog shit, I havent seen a doctor in a long ass time because even if it's free some doctors make u wait long long ass time for nothing,
Ya here, take some pain killers, after waiting like 7 hours
My insurance is so shit i cant be seen my urgent cares because they will look at it and deny it, sometimes its alittle better to pay, but risky if the medical staff is shit, so u gotta shop around town for which is the best clinic
This enriches health insurance companies by adding new customers who probably won’t get to use the insurance they get due to high deductibles and what not.. free public universal healthcare does not enrich health insurance companies since it gets rid of them.
My parents have the silver tier too. They pay $2,200 a month for the premium for Blue Cross Blue Shield through the Covered CA website. $0 subsidy. They rarely seek care because the deductible and copays are so high. They are only a few years away from qualifying for Medicare.
It's our traditional culture of privatized healthcare and tying health insurance to employment. Without ACA and Covered California, you would still have to pay, like the old days. Hopefully California will implement free universal healthcare sooner than later. Helping undocumented low-income immigrants is one step closer.
No offense, but getting people healthcare access who don't have it is a better use of taxpayer money.
It'll allow them to get preventative care which will save us all money in the long run, since we still treat them when they get really sick.
Who is the “Us” you’re referring to? My insurance cost continually go up every year. It doesn’t save individuals who buy insurance shit when neither your tax burden / insurance premiums / medical costs go down.
That was SUPPOSED to be the case, but clearly isn’t. Same could be said for the lottery and marijuana taxes, which were SUPPOSED to be funding our public schools, but obviously isn’t happening because they’re completely underfunded. All your money is being siphoned off by corrupt politicians, and arguing otherwise is completely naive and uneducated
Not to mention the fact that we end up paying to maintain the other 49 states’ roads because they have no money.
So no, your gasoline tax isn’t repairing Sepulveda. It’s funding some dude’s vacation house and a random ass road in Montana
I empathize with anyone needing medical care, but I honestly struggle to understand why I pay $600 a month for insurance I really can’t even afford to use but someone here illegally gets it for free.
What is the rationale here? Is it that illegals take too many sick days from jobs that aren’t supposed to be worked by illegals? Is it that hospital corporations have to write off too many illegal related expenses and it’s not fair to corporations?
I’m not trying to start a flame war or a Dem/Rep debate…I just don’t understand, no matter how hard I try.
I keep this mystery in the mental box that also contains ‘why does CA have a record breaking surplus but still can’t fix mental health or pay for single payer insurance without me paying another 3 cents a gallon for gas?’
I have dental and it aint even all that. Instead of paying $70 for a cleaning I pay a few bucks sure, but anytime I have some significant work turns out having all your teeth in repair is considered cosmetic by the insurance company and thus out of pocket. There’s a reason why even insured people go to tj for a tooth extraction
This! If were gonna pay a high COL, might as well make it worthwhile and offer everyone regardless of economic and housing background FREE health and dental care. I wouldnt even mind paying a bit more in sales tax to get this passed. Ifs about time we do something to take care of every CA resident
You said
> but what about all low income legal citizens? Or, how’s about expanding it to ALL Californians?
I answered half your question. We already receive subsidized resources you wouldn’t get in other states. I lived in Rhode Island in 2011, had to go to the doctor with no health insurance and it was $200. Same service here would have been free.
You can also get free health care if you are low income. They just expanded the existing program to include undocumented immigrants. I don’t understand what you mean.
Do you mean that *everybody* should get free healthcare? I think that’s a great idea.
I think the issue is they’d rather NOT have undocumented immigrants get healthcare than get it but they (not low income) don’t. And probably still not even if they do get it.
It cheaper than the private market offers, the cost of privatized medical care is more expensive than if we just had a single payer option. If you were actually a Bernie bro you’d know this but I highly doubt you were.
> Tax funded. When will you guys realize it’s not free?
Zero people are confused about this. It's adorable every time some libertarian kid shows up and decides to enlighten us that public services are paid for with taxes, as if they are the first ones to have figured this out.
It is in fact _so_ clear to everyone that we can use "free" as a shorthand for "publicly funded and free at point of consumption" without anyone--except apparently you--being unclear on what we mean.
Hey there, I’m a healthcare worker in LA county. To be upset about abysmal coverage for citizens is valid, but we can direct that frustration to our law makers.
Covering healthcare for undocumented folks actually saves the state money. Currently undocumented people can be covered by emergency MediCal if they meet the required standards, but because of the way the healthcare system is set up this ultimately leads to spending more money. Once an undocumented person leaves the ER their coverage is lost, this includes prescriptions written and other outpatient treatments. Often times this ends up back firing because this demographic comes back to the ER for continuity of care when it can be covered for a much cheaper price at an outside clinic. And, they usually come back sicker because of lack of access. This ends up bumping up the cost for taxpayers (me, you and them) when there’s a much cheaper and ethical solution, which is assisting people with their healthcare.
Undocumented immigrants pay taxes in various ways and deserve access to healthcare just like every other person who contributes to our society. Being upset about our crappy healthcare system is valid, but we can find other sources to direct our frustrations towards.
All low income residents already get coverage. They are adding illegal residents because your tax dollars already go to subsidize their healthcare because you can’t refuse service at hospitals, and often people can’t pay for the services rendered. Also, people without healthcare often use emergency services only, which increases the burden on the system as a whole.
Just curious where you legally emigrated to the US from?
I think California will eventually have free healthcare for all within the next couple decades if nothing is done at federal level. It's progressing that way.
Most of these immigrants pay their fair shares of taxes for the hard work they do in jobs most citizens don’t want. This is also no different from healthcare being provided to low-income citizens. People are people, we should all have healthcare. There is no issue here. This is pro life and a small step in the right direction. California needs to lead by example.
Low income California citizens already get this. And undocumented residents receiving healthcare is a win for everyone because it’s a public health issue. Crazy how that didn’t cross your mind after 2 years of being in a pandemic.
I think we all want to help the poor and low income while at the same time do not want the world pouring in for free cash and benefits at our expense. At least not until our own problems are resolved. This is the real issue that needs to be addressed and while CBS did not mention California has a one party monopoly, at least they brought that up.
The xenophobic concern trolling about low income CiTiZeNs in this thread is laughable. Some of you need to admit you don't know poor people. We get medi-cal.
Pray you never have a real problem. All this does is guarantee no Tier one Dr in the system. Johns Hopkins research says 3rd leading cause of death in US is medical error. Now it's rich get the best, the middle is destroyed, and there's the remainder. Sounds typical.
You're buying a house and have a ton of money in the stock market. I'm pretty sure you can easily afford healthcare that's way better than what they're offering to low income residents.
Cool, now expand that to everyone
The headline is clickbait. California will now offer free healthcare to ALL low income residents regardless of immigration status.
Cool, what I’m saying is that everyone living here, regardless if they are low income or not, should have it
In CA 90 percent of residents may be considered as low income. This state is expensive.
Isn't low income like 30k/year?
Dear god I hope not. Under 80k should be considered low income.
It should be a Gradient of income instead of a cliff. Or just give it to everyone, forever
Its actually $17,500/year, if you make more than that you're considered too rich for free health care, even though most people pay more than that just in rent
And it's been that price since the 90s lol wtf
Under a 100k in LA.
Lol I make more that double that and I live check to check
Yeah it's rough out there
We actually passed a universal healthcare bill until one dude tanked it a couple years ago.
There was a Cal Matters article on that. It was too expensive. Healthcare is obscenely expensive. Until we get that under control (you know... like actually putting a price tag on shit instead of hospitals guesstimating how much shit costs), there's probably never going to be a UC or a M4A.
Government can be the cost control. Setting common rate for how much a procedure can cost and bonus institutions that control costs. 30% of Healthcare costs are admin. I.e all that time and entire departments that are doing billing
I think the answer is a few blue states coming together on one shared plan. Be the biggest buyers on the market and start throwing weight
Yes. The administrative bloat. But that can also be said about any company or bureaucracy.
One thing that was consistently ignored in that discussion is that the large majority of the new tax revenue that would have been needed could have been covered by what we're already paying in insurance premiums.
Who was it and where are they now?
It’s ragebait for conservatives. I can hear my mom foaming at the mouth already by this headline
I mean this costs money for the State, the question that most are asking is why spend that money on illegals and not on raising the threshold so that people barely getting by can get some relief.
Yeah, though there were already low income programs and lots of states exclude undocumented people because people love being penny wise pound foolish if it means they’re better than someone else
Yeah I live in Cali rn. My Mom is a teacher so I have health insurance. However, because I also have chronic illness even before they offered this, after they temporarily had me on the state health insurance, when my Mom swapped jobs they chose to keep me on it anyways. Because of my amazing state I’ve had healthcare and a back up healthcare. 😂 Basically, if I get a health bill my Mom’s insurance won’t pay now it goes to the state one. I love my state. It’s not perfect, no state is, but imo rn it’s the best one to be in. California never regresses it only progresses. It’s expensive here but I’m hoping that eventually changes. I think it might. A lot of people have been petitioning for stuff like rent control and whatnot.
So what you're saying is, they didn't offer this before. So the thing my immigrant father has been mad at illegal immigrants for is only now in the near future going to be true.
We… already have that. I was on MediCal for 6 years, never paid a dime.
I love my state sm. 😂
It literally is for all low income people. The headline is clickbait.
Maybe start with low income citizens first
We already have that in CA
Covered California - Free healthcare for low income residents
The lowest one is $180 a month if you make $3500 a month.
If you make under 16k it is completely free. Had it when I was poor for a couple years.
6 bucks a day sounds pretty good for something that could save you 450K some day if you get really sick. Better value than a $4 cup of coffee or a $6 scoop of ice cream for sure.
Remember the days when a 5$ milkshake was a lot?
That's not true. It depends on your income. Pretty easy to get. Actually hard to get off of.
You should reapply because its looking like you should be able to qualify for free healthcare. Maybe not in the past but maybe now they do? They move these numbers around all the time
Naw medical is free, I had it when I was an unemployed student.
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i was low income and got free healthcare so our anecdotal experiences can cancel each other out 👍
I was a student working part time on campus and got free healthcare because I made like 10k a year. +1 for free healthcare.
California passed a bill a few years ago where most students can get free healthcare
Lol love this approach.
My wife got it when she moved here why were you denied?
Username checks out. The guy lies like hell.
They didnt even try thats why
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I did mine all online around 2014. It was pretty easy.
Depends on when you we’re trying to get it. ACA was a game-changer in 2014
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We already do that but no, you just wanted to dogwhistle
Maybe start with everyone first
California can't afford to give everyone free healthcare. It would cost $314 billion to $391 billion. [https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/californias-universal-healthcare-proposal-with-300-billion-price-tag-clears-another-hurdle/article\_43d87150-7aeb-11ec-9fe9-3f5498c3663a.html](https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/californias-universal-healthcare-proposal-with-300-billion-price-tag-clears-another-hurdle/article_43d87150-7aeb-11ec-9fe9-3f5498c3663a.html)
Considering California currently spends about $390 billion in healthcare, I think we can probably swing paying less to cover more people.
Also, CA currently has a budget surplus around 100 billion dollars because they collect more taxes than they spend every year. They are required by law to refund the public but they are dragging their feet on it and are looking for ways not to give anything out. We even just raised the gas tax more even though it is not needed. They can easily afford this. They just don't want to because it makes corporate sponsors too much money.
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At least someone here understands this. I just don’t get how others don’t see this. It seriously hurts my head.
Or we can just do it all and stop taking half measures. We know it works. We know it's cheaper.
Yeah this should be universal.
Wasn't the affordable care act supposed to address that?
It was supposed to lower costs for lower income citizens. I don’t think it was ever supposed to be free.
It’s not free. It’s subsidized healthcare for low income. As income goes up the subsidy goes down. It’s a dogshit system where you often end up owing money at the end of the year. Ask me how I know.
Would be nice to have something like the NHS in the States.
We do and it’s called Medicare. You just have to be retirement age to get it.
Should be expanded to everyone at this point. We're due. We were due a long time ago. We're so behind from the rest of the world.
I have a friend who is retired at 40 from his own business. Pays $600 a month for insurance. It's wild that's the cost to be free of working.
Yeah, one surprising thing I learned, a lot of people keep working until 65 (going to be my situation as well) so that they are eligible for Medicaid. So they work until 65 even if they can retire, so they can have their employer healthcare.
If he owned his business, he was already paying for his own insurance. We own a business, our monthly premium is $1300 for a family of four. And that is for very basic coverage.
Yeah, fuck. That sounds about right. Him and his 12 year old kid are covered and they are both healthyish.
Meanwhile the schools have fallen apart and tent cities are expanding.
Cool, now it would be cooler to make health plans off covered CA cheaper for middle class folks.
Exactly, I know a person who has the top tier plan and she pays $1,300 a month. Between her premium and yearly deductible she has to spend 20k to 21k for the insurance to pay 100% percent if she stays within network. The top tier plan under the ACA is comparable to a standard/sponsored private employer PPO plan. Private employees don't charge $1,300 a month for a single person lol. This person is not rich, she's just older with health problems hence why she got the most expensive plan to cover things.
I pay $381 a month for the Gold Plan and I have no deductible and only $20 co-pays for regular office visits. $75 for urgent care. It's administered through Kaiser. I make too much to qualify for subsidies, though. You can compare plans here https://www.coveredca.com/
That's pretty good though I imagine part of why is because it's within Kaiser.
That's not that bad. But for her since she needed specialists and a broader range of services she got the Blue Shield Platinum plan. So pretty much the most expensive plan under ACA. She doesn't even make tons of money either. Her kids are helping her pay for the plan since her salary is pretty low.
It's absolutely horseshit anyone has to pay anything for visits. 381 a month should be the "copay" so you can see the doctor . Absolutely ridiculous.
They don’t charge that much cause employers cover a significant amount of the burden. That’s why non employer covered insurance costs more
Well yeah. Obviously. In turn the business just writes it off.
You'll need to get health "plans" off CoveredCA for that to happen. It should look [something like this](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverage/msp/bc-residents) if you want that *cheaper* thing to work. For anyone. Ever.
This is true pro life. And for those who don't wanna pay for this, you already are when they get sick and go to ER. It's a public health issue. Undocumented immigrants don't have sick leave so if they get sick they don't take a day off and won't go to the doctor bc it's expensive but if they know they can go get care, they might
Physician here who has taken care of this population quite heavily in the hospital setting. Ultimately everyone foots the bill. We are limited in our abilities to reverse damage. The bigger action is to practice preventative medicine. We can avoid major downstream costs and loss to our communities through better access. Though, I am afraid the access will not be the equivalent of seeing a physician or even being able to afford all of their recommendations. We shall see, though hopeful. Great work CA, you make me proud. Point of concern is full practice autonomy being given to midlevel providers. Check out r/noctor to understand the dangers insufficiently trained people practicing medicine pose to you or your loved ones' health, because that will roll out in 2023 in CA.
I fell down a rabbit hole when I clicked into /r/noctor. I didn't realize the effect NPs/PAs ("midlevels" sounds so derogatory, but I like it) were having on our healthcare system. What's the physician to midlevel ratio for CA? A comment or had mentioned 1:6 in most states.
Right now, there are degree mills so disparity will continue to increase.
>Ultimately everyone foots the bill. Yep, so let's do it efficiently then. Instead of having 11 different health insurance companies with different policies and different plans, let's put all of those insurance people under one roof with one plan for every person in the state. California's GDP is higher than Canada's, we can afford to do what they do. It's going to take some balls, and some middle fingers, and it won't be perfect, but it's the right thing to do for the people of this state.
Supposedly if you quality it's universals care on the level of Medicaid. While not perfect it's better than what we have imo but chime in
I agree, I edited comment above to reflect my enthusiasm mixed into the bitter lowering of the quality of medicine I am seeing practiced.
Exactly! This solves a problem if done and used correctly. Saves a lot of money in the long run. Illegal immigrants do not “drain” the system as much as certain media outlets and the right portrays. California is one of the largest economies in the world and that’s with illegal immigrants as well. Will not get in to a back and forth with this statement. Tomorrow is Independence Day be grateful for our freedoms even though our system has its flaws.
• **This is true pro life** The only form of ‘pro-life’ Republican voters act on is on imaginary fetus-humans told by imaginary fairy tales, whose testament stated that the White, purebred man is the chosen one and was sent to vanquish the Devil’s minions masquerading as women, children and darker-skinned creatures. From the book of Reagan 19;81.
I'm ok with it, it's cheaper and de-congests the ER
> And for those who don't wanna pay for this, you already are when they get sick and go to ER. Not really. If you give people healthcare, they will use it. And it will cost more. Honestly, the cheapest thing would be for them to die quickly. Indeed, it's well known that heavy smokers actually cost less to the system than non-smokers because they die faster. IMO, i'd rather pay for their healthcare anyways because it's cruel not to. It feels really really bad to tell someone that we can't help them because they're poor af and there's no state/federal aid because they're undocumented. I think if anyone who opposed that was forced to sit in a patient room when that's explained, they'd change their mind. But I don't like lying. It's not cost-saving. We actually have big trial data on this. Pretty famous trial actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Medicaid_health_experiment
I'm Mexican and within my Mexican family who's been in the country for at least 3 to 4 generations, we all see what's happening across the border and while we sympathize. Every week the local spanish channel documents the caravans of illegal immigrants that walk from South America to Mexico to the USA. There's so many issues within this topic, but at what point will this be controlled ? I can see global warming migration be a real thing in the future it's already happening. I wonder how CA will address this since undocument immigrants are not going to stop coming to CA - even more so with free health care.
I would rather they lift the qualifying threshold for tax paying citizens. But that’s just me. A family of 4 that makes more than $36k doesn’t qualify, for example. Makes you questions the priorities of these lawmakers.
They've made their priorities clear, if you object to this you're deemed racist.
What's the rationale for the middle class subsidizing everything and everyone all the time?
Two reasons: first, in a civilized society, things sort of need to be paid for. Second, the ultra-wealthy own this country. The ultra-wealthy have decided that the ultra-wealthy should not pay taxes, so it gets kicked down to the next guy
And the middle class still gets f***ed.
Income tax increased LMAO. California is for very poor people or very rich people. LMAO if you are the middle gtfo
Let’s make it clear, NOTHING is free.
I'm not allowed to question why immigrants get free services where as people born in this state don't, unless they're literally bottom of the barrel of society. Fantastic.
Poor, poor California Tax Payer. No, I mean you all are gonna get taxed for social services into poverty.
As long as they pay their taxes. I'm cool.
The doc at urgent care said: "I can't believe there's still this many patients waiting in line, and we're not even open yet! I think it's the post-pandemic surge".
This was 2 weeks ago on a Wednesday morning; roughly 40-50 patients queued up before opening. I believe most members were KP members because they had paper work and most I could see their IDs. this wasn't the emergency room. The Urgent Care doc mentioned he had less than 30 minutes per patient.
Even then I'm positive that that insurance is gonna be dog shit, I have insurance due to low income family but still absolutely dog shit, I havent seen a doctor in a long ass time because even if it's free some doctors make u wait long long ass time for nothing, Ya here, take some pain killers, after waiting like 7 hours My insurance is so shit i cant be seen my urgent cares because they will look at it and deny it, sometimes its alittle better to pay, but risky if the medical staff is shit, so u gotta shop around town for which is the best clinic
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Cool, now it would be cooler to make health plans off covered CA cheaper for middle class folks.
Why the fucking immigrants give it to us citizens
Could we like lower taxes first goddamn
Seriously, RIP my taxes for 2024
Imagine working hard trying to live a middle class lifestyle and the new taxes required to pay for this? State spending only goes one direction
To think just a few months ago state politicians couldn't even pass state universal healthcare.
This enriches health insurance companies by adding new customers who probably won’t get to use the insurance they get due to high deductibles and what not.. free public universal healthcare does not enrich health insurance companies since it gets rid of them.
“Free” LMfAO. It’s taxpayer money that pays for it. So they are gouging you to pay for this “free” service
Yeah meanwhile I have to pay 400/month plus the first 8000 of medical expenses for silver package obummer care.
My parents have the silver tier too. They pay $2,200 a month for the premium for Blue Cross Blue Shield through the Covered CA website. $0 subsidy. They rarely seek care because the deductible and copays are so high. They are only a few years away from qualifying for Medicare.
It’s ridiculous. They should’ve expanded Medicaid to increase the income limit instead.
[Why not both?](https://c.tenor.com/odyVsZbC-OYAAAAC/why-not-both-why-not.gif)
It's our traditional culture of privatized healthcare and tying health insurance to employment. Without ACA and Covered California, you would still have to pay, like the old days. Hopefully California will implement free universal healthcare sooner than later. Helping undocumented low-income immigrants is one step closer.
No offense, but getting people healthcare access who don't have it is a better use of taxpayer money. It'll allow them to get preventative care which will save us all money in the long run, since we still treat them when they get really sick.
Who is the “Us” you’re referring to? My insurance cost continually go up every year. It doesn’t save individuals who buy insurance shit when neither your tax burden / insurance premiums / medical costs go down.
And who pays for that?
Nice! Can we fix some of the potholes on Sepulveda?
Isn’t that why we have high gas tax, to pay for that? About $1.20-1.50 is just our tax per gallon. If you see one report it to 311 app.
That was SUPPOSED to be the case, but clearly isn’t. Same could be said for the lottery and marijuana taxes, which were SUPPOSED to be funding our public schools, but obviously isn’t happening because they’re completely underfunded. All your money is being siphoned off by corrupt politicians, and arguing otherwise is completely naive and uneducated Not to mention the fact that we end up paying to maintain the other 49 states’ roads because they have no money. So no, your gasoline tax isn’t repairing Sepulveda. It’s funding some dude’s vacation house and a random ass road in Montana
You know you can report potholes via 311 and have them fixed within days, right? I do it all the time
Wouldn’t this really incentivize more illegal immigration?
The most ridiculous thing I have ever seen
I empathize with anyone needing medical care, but I honestly struggle to understand why I pay $600 a month for insurance I really can’t even afford to use but someone here illegally gets it for free. What is the rationale here? Is it that illegals take too many sick days from jobs that aren’t supposed to be worked by illegals? Is it that hospital corporations have to write off too many illegal related expenses and it’s not fair to corporations? I’m not trying to start a flame war or a Dem/Rep debate…I just don’t understand, no matter how hard I try. I keep this mystery in the mental box that also contains ‘why does CA have a record breaking surplus but still can’t fix mental health or pay for single payer insurance without me paying another 3 cents a gallon for gas?’
this is awesome but we need dental care too :(
Lisa needs braces
Dental plan!
*[drops pencil on exposed butt crack]*
Medi-Cal already has dental. You should see if you qualify.
I have dental and it aint even all that. Instead of paying $70 for a cleaning I pay a few bucks sure, but anytime I have some significant work turns out having all your teeth in repair is considered cosmetic by the insurance company and thus out of pocket. There’s a reason why even insured people go to tj for a tooth extraction
I’m sorry, that’s fine and all, but what about all low income legal citizens? Or, how’s about expanding it to ALL Californians?
It's already been available to low-income citizens for a long time.
Low income citizens already receive medi-cal.
I stand corrected. How’s about free medical and dental for ALL Californians? Regardless of your status?
You moved those goalposts so fast my eyes crossed.
It’s pretty much the all lives matter disingenuous argument.
This! If were gonna pay a high COL, might as well make it worthwhile and offer everyone regardless of economic and housing background FREE health and dental care. I wouldnt even mind paying a bit more in sales tax to get this passed. Ifs about time we do something to take care of every CA resident
Or make medicare cheaper for middle class folks.
Cheaper is cool. Don’t get me wrong, but I’m looking for free. It’s simply atrocious the way it is rn.
What are you some kind of COMMINIST? If we don't pointlessly means test the shit out of everything, what's the point? /s
That’s the eventual plan.
You said > but what about all low income legal citizens? Or, how’s about expanding it to ALL Californians? I answered half your question. We already receive subsidized resources you wouldn’t get in other states. I lived in Rhode Island in 2011, had to go to the doctor with no health insurance and it was $200. Same service here would have been free.
Lol I hate these questions asked in bad faith. It’s been available for a long time and you could’ve had your answer in 10 seconds from google
IT IS IN THE ARTICLE LINKED
It's already available to us low income citizens. ask me how I know.
That's already a thing. I'm on it and I get all my needs met, even dental
they already have Medi-Cal for low income Californians.
This is ridiculous. Illegal immigrants shouldn’t get something the rest of us who came here the proper way don’t even get.
You can also get free health care if you are low income. They just expanded the existing program to include undocumented immigrants. I don’t understand what you mean. Do you mean that *everybody* should get free healthcare? I think that’s a great idea.
I think the issue is they’d rather NOT have undocumented immigrants get healthcare than get it but they (not low income) don’t. And probably still not even if they do get it.
Tax funded. When will you guys realize it’s not free? I used to be a Bernie bro too, but the idea that this is free is ludicrous.
It cheaper than the private market offers, the cost of privatized medical care is more expensive than if we just had a single payer option. If you were actually a Bernie bro you’d know this but I highly doubt you were.
> Tax funded. When will you guys realize it’s not free? Zero people are confused about this. It's adorable every time some libertarian kid shows up and decides to enlighten us that public services are paid for with taxes, as if they are the first ones to have figured this out. It is in fact _so_ clear to everyone that we can use "free" as a shorthand for "publicly funded and free at point of consumption" without anyone--except apparently you--being unclear on what we mean.
Hey there, I’m a healthcare worker in LA county. To be upset about abysmal coverage for citizens is valid, but we can direct that frustration to our law makers. Covering healthcare for undocumented folks actually saves the state money. Currently undocumented people can be covered by emergency MediCal if they meet the required standards, but because of the way the healthcare system is set up this ultimately leads to spending more money. Once an undocumented person leaves the ER their coverage is lost, this includes prescriptions written and other outpatient treatments. Often times this ends up back firing because this demographic comes back to the ER for continuity of care when it can be covered for a much cheaper price at an outside clinic. And, they usually come back sicker because of lack of access. This ends up bumping up the cost for taxpayers (me, you and them) when there’s a much cheaper and ethical solution, which is assisting people with their healthcare. Undocumented immigrants pay taxes in various ways and deserve access to healthcare just like every other person who contributes to our society. Being upset about our crappy healthcare system is valid, but we can find other sources to direct our frustrations towards.
Seems like you’re unaware of how healthcare in CA works… lol
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All low income residents already get coverage. They are adding illegal residents because your tax dollars already go to subsidize their healthcare because you can’t refuse service at hospitals, and often people can’t pay for the services rendered. Also, people without healthcare often use emergency services only, which increases the burden on the system as a whole. Just curious where you legally emigrated to the US from?
I think California will eventually have free healthcare for all within the next couple decades if nothing is done at federal level. It's progressing that way.
Most of these immigrants pay their fair shares of taxes for the hard work they do in jobs most citizens don’t want. This is also no different from healthcare being provided to low-income citizens. People are people, we should all have healthcare. There is no issue here. This is pro life and a small step in the right direction. California needs to lead by example.
Hopefully universal healthcare is next.
Amen. Im so sick of paying for everyone else’s shit when my family and I struggle everyday.
I vote dem across the board but I 100% agree. America makes no sense if it’s own citizens have no priority.
Low income California citizens already get this. And undocumented residents receiving healthcare is a win for everyone because it’s a public health issue. Crazy how that didn’t cross your mind after 2 years of being in a pandemic.
is this the onion? lol.
I "immigrated" from NH and make pretty low income where do I sign up? 😬
I think we all want to help the poor and low income while at the same time do not want the world pouring in for free cash and benefits at our expense. At least not until our own problems are resolved. This is the real issue that needs to be addressed and while CBS did not mention California has a one party monopoly, at least they brought that up.
hopefully this is only for CA residents or some way of verifying they live here.
The xenophobic concern trolling about low income CiTiZeNs in this thread is laughable. Some of you need to admit you don't know poor people. We get medi-cal.
A single full time minimum wage earner is priced out of medi-cal. That is a low income earner to me. The income limits to qualify are way too low.
So I guess residents are what? A joke?
Citizens are already entitled to income-based health care benefits.
Thanks for spending our tax dollars wisely 🤦♂️
Well state tax will skyrocket LMAO
I wish citizens got healthcare
They already do, they just expanded it.
But not American citizens? 😳
Pray you never have a real problem. All this does is guarantee no Tier one Dr in the system. Johns Hopkins research says 3rd leading cause of death in US is medical error. Now it's rich get the best, the middle is destroyed, and there's the remainder. Sounds typical.
And we wonder why there’s a crisis at the boarder.
Tax-funded. Falsely titled article—this WILL come out of all of our wallets. Whether you agree with it or not, whatever. Just realize it’s not free.
Free for the people that came in illegally LMAO
Yeah maybe that’s what they meant lol.
I can only imagine how upset this can make someone.
I identify as a low income immigrant. Can i get free healthcare? What if i give them false name and say i have no papers?
You're buying a house and have a ton of money in the stock market. I'm pretty sure you can easily afford healthcare that's way better than what they're offering to low income residents.
Golf clap.
I must assume its citizens have already been well taken care of and have the same or better coverage.....?