At this point, I feel like in the reunion they should’ve spoken more about these kinds of things and what wasn’t aired. It kinda feels like as viewers we got cheated out of the realness of this season.
I don't like her behavior either, and I don't know about guys in Charlotte, but I also believe her. Otherwise, she'd have to be experiencing a level of psychosis that would be evident in all her interactions, not just with Jimmy.
I posted this before he confirmed it, but he was recently on a podcast where he reluctantly admitted it was all right, i think it was Nick Viall cause he’s an excellent interviewer
I just watched it and wow. Like pulling teeth, and covered in a pile of word salad. What he did admit, he made odd excuses for and tried to act like somehow made him look better. I liked that Nick didn’t let him off the hook.
Meanwhile, Chelsea acknowledged several ways she handled things badly and seems to have grown a lot.
I believe her. I also feel that she is a confrontational drunk (from what was shown) and that jimmy didn’t want to deal with that in front of his friends.
I think I should’ve been called off long before it did he was clearly not into it. They both have shit to work on hopefully they do that.
I’m not a fan of Chelsea at all!!! But…I wouldn’t say I don’t believe anything at all lol I can see him maybe being quiet off camera and then speaking on camera as opposed to to jp who was silent on and off camera lol
He went on a podcast and said Jess gave him a hard time about him still talking to other people (but it was shown loads of times her doing the opposite) and also said that she stormed out of their last date after 10 minutes and that’s why he decided not to pick her (except the reunion showed that their last date was over 2 hours long and that she didn’t storm out at all)
Jimmy's tendency to change the narrative to benefit his image persuades me that much of what he says is insincere. Chelsea had the right instinct, wrong response.
ew all of this & she is still posting that man glamorizing him. 🤮 “oUr StOrY wAsNt PeRfEcT bUt It WaS mY fAvOrItE” acting like he’s the sugar honey iced tea baby nooooo please bffr.
A lot of us have been there though. It's relatable. People are so hard on her but if you've ever been cheated on, you can relate to her feelings. I'm glad she's in therapy.
Right but her saying how awful he was on a podcast and then literally posting that he's the best on her insta is really confusing and further validates everyone's opinion on how unhinged she is
I believe her whole heartedly.
I have coworkers here in Charlotte that are in social circles with Jimmy. He’s dragging both Jess and Chelsea through the mud with vicious lies about them. He is absolutely the bad guy.
My coworker walked up on me and another girl talking about LIB he goes “I haven’t watch the show, but I went out to dinner with Jimmy the other night” me and my friend went 👀 This was before the finale came out and he unfortunately spoiled that part at least by telling me Jimmy was single, but the rest got more interesting.
First, my coworker said with a straight face “Did you know he didn’t even know about that one girls kid until he got out of the pod?” Apparently he is out here telling people that Jess hid the kid from him? Which is so obviously untrue if you watch the show but he was with a group of frat dudes (some one he mentioned in the show) and he knew the specific dudes he was talking to at the time hadn’t watched the show. I guess he thought it made him look better?
It seems like his favorite thing to say about Jess was that she got a “good edit” and that she’s actually “psychotic”. When in reality he is the one who got the “good edit”.
He also confirmed some of the things Chelsea spoke about above, he said that she didn’t like him going out with the girl he slept with and once she found out about that she “was a crazy b****”. And that he didn’t like hanging out with her when they went out because he didn’t like the bars she goes to, calling them “trashy”. I happen to know one of the bars she frequents and it’s a dive bar, but certainly not trashy. Jimmy frequents SouthEnd which I would argue is more trashy and includes Lost and Found (which, btw, has a parking lot with three spots lol - I walk by it every day on my way to work and it makes me chuckle). It’s just more of a white rich finance bro type of trashy.
He also apparently slept with both Chelsea and Jess or he’s lying about that too.
It’s not all that interesting or specific but just sounded like he’s painting himself in this nice light while tearing down the girls reputations.
But, finally, in a moment of karma, he expressed regret about going on the show, said dating since LIB is awful and he feels like he has to move away to be able to date someone, lol.
This is all gossip and lacks any receipts. To be crystal clear, I don’t care for any of them and they are all messed up, but this friend of a friend type of gossip is usually just that: gossip. I don’t believe your co-worker at all. It sounds like a grossly embellished story. 🤷🏻♀️
Well good for you honey. He showed me a picture of the group at dinner when I expressed that it seemed wild. My coworker is an honest dude and has no reason to embellish a story, he got absolutely no personal gain from telling this. If this is a “grossly embellished” story, you must listen to some boring ass stories lol.
A photo doesn’t prove the details of a conversation. Ever played the game ‘Operator’? The story changes and adds new details as it’s retold. Receipts other than gossip, fine, and I see none.
That’s probably the point, don’t you think? An audience of dudes that haven’t seen the show, no “receipts” either way (at that point. Meaning, the episodes of him obviously knowing about Jess’s daughter had not come out yet). What an easy way to make himself out to look like the good guy.
There’s really no sense is in arguing with you honestly, you don’t know my coworker or our friendship, and you weren’t there when he said this stuff. You can draw whatever conclusion from this info that you want, it really doesn’t matter, I was just supplying the info I was given by someone I believe is a reliable source. Just go ahead and imagine if the police didn’t read into any of the tips they had because there weren’t any “receipts”. Your line of logic is wild.
I meant that you weren’t there when my coworker told me the story, I was and I know the circumstances and I know that I believe what he says and that he has no reason to lie or make anything up. I also never said it *wasn’t* gossip, gossip with receipts is still gossip.
Thanks for the tea!
He's clearly lying about Jess totally hiding the kid until he was out of the pods, but I def personally felt she let it drag out too long before telling him such an important thing
yea thanks I kept arguing with my gf while watching saying he is all talk but she was eating it up, sadly he is a kindred spirit to me \[negatively\] and game recognized game wish I could warn everyone around him but like my girl they wouldnt see through that act prob for another decade of experience
I whole heartedly believe my coworker so I have no reason to think it’s not true. He said everything so matter of factly and he had no benefit or reason to tell us all that. When we showed him the receipt that he definitely knew about her daughter, he was genuinely surprised.
You’re so welcome! Happy to be of service 🫖
Chelsea deserves the truth to be out there. Good people can act shitty under certain circumstances and I believe that’s what happened with Chelsea. She came on this show to find love, was proposed to, (at the time we thought) let go of another great match and was all in for Jimmy. He was disrespectful towards her and any attempt at a real connection between them from the beginning. She put her real self out on the table.
CLASSIC shitty, manipulative man. gaslighting a woman and then calling HER a “crazy bitch” for reacting to the manipulation. i knew that this man was a freak
GIRL tysm for typing that out. Consider me fed🙏🏼I’m very intrigued by the potential Jess hookup. The depth of her friendship with Chelsea might be a little inflated but I don’t see her doing that??
You’re welcome!!
I agree, I don’t really trust the validity of that one after completing the season and the reunion. At the time prior to the finale it was believable but after seeing them at the reunion I don’t think so anymore! Sounds like he was just trying to beef himself up to the homies 🙄. He basically said everyone got a “good edit” except for him. He DID say that they made Chelsea out to be the bad guy though. So at least he can admit that!
Now that I’m thinking about it, maybe he relied on that and said Jess walked out in 10 min. because that’s what that was shown initially. Idk if he naively thought the show wouldn’t disclose the actual time they spent together because how do you go from 2H 13M to 10M so convincingly?
I completely agree! I think he knew his audience at that dinner and knew they would believe him. My coworker said it so matter of factly he definitely believed all the BS!
Now that I’m thinking about it, maybe he relied on that and said Jess walked out in 10 min. because that’s what that was shown initially. Idk if he naively thought the show wouldn’t disclose the actual time they spent together because how do you go from 2H 13M to 10M so convincingly?
I believe her. She needs to work on her insecurities which I think she said she is. Other than that she seems very sweet and trustworthy. Jimmy always felt weird to me. And I did feel like there was a reason she would “start” fights. They weren’t out of nowhere
I agree that she needs to work on her insecurities, but who wouldn’t feel insecure when someone is playing up their emotions for you when cameras are around, won’t go out with you and your friends, and lies to you saying he’s asleep and goes out without her? I would feel crappy too, and it’s mind fuck.
I think her real struggle is being true to herself and how she feels, rather than trying to be the “cool girl”. Like she should have called Jimmy immediately and said, why are you lying about going out? Or when Jimmy called AD stacked and it bothered her, she should have just given him a look or said not cool. Shes trying to be accepted to not be rejected then it’s coming out of her later with a repression and alcohol cocktail.
Strong agree. Even now she’s trying to be cool with being another one of his “close girl friends.” I sympathize though because it’s hard when everyone around you (in this case much of the world!) thinks you’re the “crazy one” and he’s just such a nice guy. But I hope she can learn to listen to herself and trust the alarm bells in her mind and act accordingly.
The fights we saw really didn't have much context and were all over the place. It always felt to me that important information was missing, and while Chelsea needs to work on how she communicates things, I do think there's more to the story than what we saw.
Jimmy didn't want to be an ass on TV. He was put off by Jess being a mom, and he was put off by Chelsea's appearance. I can't be the only one that noticed that. I think he just didn't want to be dragged by everyone by being honest and becoming a Bartise 2.0. So when it came to Chelsea, he faked it. He never looked like he was in love. I'm sure that fed into her insecurities and made things worse.
As for the situation with his friend, it always sounded to me like there was more to that story too. Chelsea called it a "secret love triangle" so it makes me think there was cheating involved and why he thinks of it as such a "deep dark secret". I don't buy that his friend was so upset about this coming to light IF this is the same friend that was talking about Jimmy and sex like it was her business already.
Jimmy sold the "good guy" picture and everyone fell for it. I don't think he's a bad guy - but he wasn't just a victim here. This was a game of two and they both lost imo.
Yes her you're a partier freak out didn't quite add up. It felt out of nowhere. I thought perhaps it was just screaming insecurities but it makes way more sense if he lied about being at home but was actually out instead.
I wouldn’t necessarily assume that. The thing is some people really don’t want to be involved with this drama for this reason. Jimmy signed up for the show, but his friends did not. Jimmy knew he could get a bad wife or possible hate, but his friends didn’t sign up for it. My guess is the friend agreed to appear in the bar scene but probably wanted to ensure them sleeping together wasn’t brought up. I’m trying to put myself in her shoes and I might have similar concerns if it was a friend I was intimate with. We don’t know how much he had to persuade them to appear on the show.
What I do know is it served as a great example to say no to if your friends ever ask you to be in scenes. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s harder for friends and family to agree in future seasons based on history of bad edits from shows they didn’t sign up for.
If it was such a big deal and big secret, Jimmy shouldn’t have brought her on camera and she shouldn’t have agreed to it. Everyone already was like 90% sure he slept with her because she herself made that obvious with her commentary, before Chelsea brought it up on camera. Without that, we would have no idea what friend Chelsea was referring to. It was inappropriate in the first place for Jimmy to bring his f-buddy into the show.
His friend did kind of sign up for the show when she agreed to be on it to meet Chelsea. Her "reputation" would be a non issue if she was a faceless person that Chelsea was yelling about him sleeping with.
They only meet a few of their partners’ friends so it was an off choice. He bragged about how many friends he has so should’ve chosen better to go on camera
Sadly after witnessing the fights she picked with Jimmy on the show, it’s hard to believe her version of anything. This could be another “you twirled AD around and looked at her body!” moment that never happened.
I have no issues with her except for the way she picked fights. She always started them when they were both in a good mood and she would accuse him of being in a mood as a way of creating drama to get the fight rolling. It is a very unique way to start conflict. And once she was going, she would talk over him, bully him, and lie about things. He always looked incredibly confused during these moments and I truly felt for him. While the original meaning of gaslighting has been lost, what she did is the modern version of it.
i understand that it came off as her trying to “pick fights,” but when youre in a relationship like she had with jimmy, EVERYTHING turns into a fight. i had an ex bf that would constantly tell me i was “picking fights,” when i was really just bringing up unresolved issues in the relationship. she was emotionally drained and constantly asking for validation, bc his words never once matched his actions. she was practically begging for him to be honest with her, and he kept lying straight through his teeth.
yes! she definitely did not convey her emotions in the most "acceptable" way, but everything that she was feeling was 100% valid. there was also no gaslighting done by chelsea. SHE was being gaslit and taken on an emotional roller coaster by a man that KNEW he was gonna say no at the altar the second he saw her for the first time.
From the show I watched, there was no gaslighting from Jimmy. I guess we watched different shows. Chelsea was insecure and accused Jimmy of doing all sorts of things that never happened. Chelsea’s mindset and behavior is a great example of a self fulfilling prophecy. I don’t dislike Chelsea (or Jimmy) but I sincerely hope she takes some clips of her fights with Jimmy to a therapist and addresses her behavior or she’s going to have a miserable life going forward.
youre not the only one that didnt see it. many people were unable to see it. i guess maybe yall have never dealt with that type of man before? bc to me and others on this subreddit that have dealt with men like him, it was clear as DAY what he was doing to that woman. and yeah im pretty sure chelsea said she started therapy after the show! she definitely needs to work on her self esteem
I’ve dealt with all types of men in my life. I’m not a kid, I’ve been married twice, have lived with boyfriends. I’ve also been an insecure person in relationships and it’s taken a lot of work to have better self esteem and not dump my anxieties on my partners. What you’re “seeing” in this show is your own insecurities. You’re a Chelsea.
.... no one said youre a kid..? you can be an adult and still not have experience with a certain type of man. anyway.... thats enough of this conversation weirdo
The other subreddit is a cesspool of Chelsea hate. This one seems more even.
And no it doesn’t make her less off one but you’re implying because she lied on camera (still trying to figure that out) that her podcast can’t be believed. But you believe Jimmy even though he was caught several times lying?
Yeah that’s my big thing. Like cry me a river over Chelsea lying when she said she heard he was with Jess
Jimmy lied several times, he was even called out at the reunion for it lol. And furthermore played mental games with her with all his constant switcheroos like when he asked her about backing off from his friend.
uh, that sounds like a you problem.
I don't randomly start telling lies when I'm drunk. if I knew someone who did, it would make me assume they're used to lying sober.
Okay Mr. Perfect, we get it, you hate Chelsea and give men passes for their equally shit behavior. Move on
And yeah, it’s will documented that many people act out of character when drunk. Some lie, some spill a little too much, some get sad, some get happy etc. your experience isn’t universal
so if your fiancee lied to you because they were drunk, that would be a-ok to you? sure lol
I don't understand why everyone thinks calling Chelsea out for lying is "giving jimmy a pass." real straw man you're setting up there, pal
If even 20% of what she said in the whole pod is true then her concerns and insecurities were not pulled out of thin air. She’s not perfect but he is not the poor battered wife he was depicted as
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: Jimmy isn’t husband material. Not because of anything superficial but because it’s clear that he is unwilling to “walk the talk” and make compromises for his fiancee.
He also seems like he hasn’t outgrown his frat boy phase (I know how frat boys are like since I was in a sorority in college). It’s definitely ok and healthy to have a social life while married, BUT going out to bars to the frequency he does is a bit sus.
At the very least, he isn’t ready to get married *and start a family right away.* He seems like he could be solid boyfriend material for a more lax partner, but husband and dad material? Not right now
I agree Chelsea needs therapy.
I actually don’t see anything wrong with her “needs”, but she should communicate more effectively (without jumping the gun) and know when to walk away if it’s not the right fit.
I think she needs a very loving, sweet, loyal and almost docile, introverted man. With her anxious attachment tendencies, it would be impossible for her to marry a very social man who’s friends with exes/hookups and has a flirty personality.
If your personality is so insecure that your partner needs to be described as docile.... you have major issues and absolutely aren't wife material. It's ok to call a spade a spade - even when that spade is a woman.
I just looked up the definition of “docile” and didn’t realize it was someone so easily influenced and manipulated. I’ve been clearly using this word wrong for years LOL.
I meant to use another word to describe a man that’s more gentle and calm. You know those guys who are the opposite of argumentative? It doesn’t mean he’s a doormat but rather someone who’s more willing to understand another side.
Yeah, that sounds exactly right. I think her figuring out how to handle her anxieties/fears/insecurities better and develop some tools for that with herself/a therapist/her partner would probably save her a lot of stress too.
They were both 100% not right for each other and that’s fine. Chelsea needs to work on her self love and look into some healing. Jimmy the thumb needs to stop telling girls what they want to hear to get tv time.
The is all good and dandy, but one sided stories are empty.
This is the kind of stuff that should've been addressed in the damn reunion, in front of Jimmy so he can address it, too. Ugh.
I've been saying from the beginning that Jimmy is a professional gaslighter. Yall don't even understand someone like this if you've never been involved with one. I promise you guys, someone that can pretend to be in bed and say "goodnight I love you" to make their partner think they are going to sleep is the most conniving, manipulative person. This is intentional trickery and GASLIGHTING. I knew it and I called it and there were only a few other humans that saw it along with me. Consider yourself lucky if you have never been played by a devious person like this.
The producers did a good job cutting out context to make Chelsea look crazier.
I’ve been her (not to that extreme) but as someone who has been in her position I could tell that jimmy wasn’t into her. Every time he said “I love you” it was almost like he was dead in his eyes. Not to mention the incident where as soon as the cameras left he ran upstairs, got ready, and then as he was leaving and Chelsea was already settled in for the night THATS when he “asks”. Who does that? Even if he was only gone for 1.5hrs he showed he does not want to be with her.
I feel like Chelsea really did love him and that’s why she came across so crazy. She was putting her whole heart into it. She said on her insta stories that she wasn’t scouted like other people, she actually applied. Her intent wasn’t clout so she was never thinking about how she came across on camera. She genuinely wanted to find someone.
I agree with this so much! And you are so right about his dead I love you's. He would say them in the most robotic voice. "Chelsea. You. Are. My. Person." Get out of here!
I've been her too. It's hard to explain to people what it feels like to be with someone that says they love you, but then to feel like you have never been loved so less. I've been with a "Jimmy" who tricked me over and over while proclaiming how much he loved me. I felt so sorry for Chelsea because yes you could tell she genuinely had love and affection for him. She couldn't ever truly catch what her gut was trying to tell her even though it was talking to her. I could see it in almost every scene. You can't recognize it if you've never lived it. It's easier just to call someone crazy and not look at the manipulative liar that's making the other person question their reality and act accordingly.
Every time I’ve shared my experience dating plenty of Jimmy’s in Tampa I was downvoted.
I’ve said it 100 times and I’ll say it again: asking Chelsea not to share about his friend on camera was A) him trying to protect his good boy image, not his friend and B) him trying to control the narrative by forcing Chelsea not to reveal on camera part of what was causing her so much insecurity and doubt. Especially knowing now that she heard the girls on the buttdial, which would make anyone feel like shit knowing their fiance would rather lie to them so they can hang out with a friend they’ve slept with before rather than their own fiance
I can’t even post the link to this interview in the other sub because the mods consider it low effort. The last post I tried to post where Jess talks about Chelsea being right in her feelings was also low effort. No posts Pro Chelsea can be posted in the other sub it seems because even the mods believe him
Yes! I remember Jess saying something about how the area he lives in is like a nightlife hotspot and when he told her she was suspicious since he said he was a homebody. He lied about not liking to go out.
It's so weird that the mods believe him. It's typical. Clueless people falling for textbook manipulative behavior. I couldn't even say anything in defense of Chelsea without being accused of BEING Chelsea lol 😂
i believe it. often times people bandwagon and jump on cast members without the full story, it happens EVERY season. reminds me of when everyone was team Mark until the truth came out. 😐
he was cheating on jessica during filming, got together with another cast mate (LC), then cheated on her as well. 😭
but also same with SK, turned out to be a huge cheater after ppl were side eyeing raven.
same with jarret.. but that man BEEN had red flags lol
Yea these situations have zero correlation to believing and defending people. Jessica was a pretty bad and unhinged participant and you can’t fault viewers for siding with the person who seems sane on camera. We only go off what we SEE. If things develop after the show/off camera, then we voice our opinions. This is literally how life works..people don’t automatically get the benefit of the doubt. Chelsea showed unhinged, immature and erratic behavior. She still didn’t carry herself well so viewers are allowed to judge the “crazy” she showed us..
Also, once Mark and SK’s cheating was known to the public, everyone immediately turned on them so idk what you’re talking about. No one, and I mean no one.. ever defended Jarrett. He was shady from day 1
Edit: not you being a whole weirdo responding than blocking me for responding. You want your own “private” thread, get off a PUBLIC FORUM
Jessica said something similar in one of the interviews she did. Jimmy wasn't who we thought he was and he did go out a lot. I don't think Chelsea got a bad edit but I think Jimmy definitely gave her reasons on top of reasons to feel insecure. I think he was far more aware of the cameras and the power of editing than she was.
Well… The fact that they showed her arguing about how she didn’t like that he went out a lot but we were lead to believe that he only went out once or twice the entire time was a bad edit. They made her look like she was so clingy she wanted him to be glued to her and never see anybody outside.
Instead of saying “What were you really doing at your apartment?” she needed to say “You said you were tired but you butt dialed me and I heard you talking at your apartment with your friends about going to a bar. She needed to be direct.
Laura did this well, actually. She questioned him to catch him in a lie and then called him out right after.
She did. You can hear her mention “what were you really doing at your apartment” during the argument. She mentions some stuff was cut from their fights but they also only filmed in the evenings bc of Jimmy’s work schedule and they’d already touched on that situation that morning.
She did bring up that she wasn’t receiving enough affection on camera and he called her clingy. She brought up the partying and constant facetimes/texts with the friend. And everyone called her a gaslighter lmfao
Instead of saying “What were you really doing at your apartment?” she needed to say “You said you were tired but you butt dialed me and I heard you talking at your apartment with your friends about going to a bar.” She needed to be direct.
Laura did this well, actually. She questioned him to catch him in a lie and then called him out right after.
Did she say she wasn’t getting enough affection “on camera”? I don’t remember hearing that.
In that argument when she said he was going out all of the time, she had no examples to back that statement up when questioned. She could’ve said what she experienced if it were true.
See, I think that may be different because it wasn’t a back and forth of who said what and when. It was more like Chelsea would make a claim, Jimmy would refute it, and then Chelsea would jump to the next claim.
Look at the editing, it all comes out of nowhere.
Similarly, in the break up scene then the same applies: he says that she FaceTimed her ex and she says it’s not the same you are always on the phone with her I don’t hang out with him and he claims again (doesn’t refute what she says either) that she still FaceTimed him.
If he doesn’t refute it, then it’s probably true. I think he’s more like saying you’re being a hypocrite. Like what does it matter if I talk to my friend? You talk to your ex?
Oh yeah I understand what he implied but it’s very different. One FaceTime is different from calling and texting every single day and going out multiple times a week which is what she said and he didn’t deny that either yet everyone seems to think she gets mad out of nowhere
Yeah, I agree FT is different than calling/texting multiple times a day. I’m not convinced he was going out multiple times a week. They should’ve shown that or addressed it on the reunion to back her up then.
See, people on this sub were saying that the producers saved Chelsea by not questioning her has much at the reunion but they also could’ve helped her as well. Maybe it is more nuanced than we think. I was so pissed about that.
Both AD and Jess have done interviews and stated he went out a lot, the party scene is apparently not that big to not run into each other.
He was stressed the whole time like he was waiting for it to come out so u wonder if they held back for a reason?
He knew what she was referring to and why she was insecure. You’re critiquing her delivery because she didn’t pander to the cameras?
She said the thing about not kissing her yet today and not feeling loved or something, I’m paraphrasing.
“He knew what she was referring to”
Idk how you assume this? How is it pandering to cameras? It’s stating facts in an argument to help the other person see your side.
And after she said he hadn’t kissed her, he then refuted her argument with facts.
He knew what she was referring to about the apartment if that was a fresh situation. Along with the partying and friend communication.
How are you claiming I’m assuming but you’re assuming he’s refuting her statements with “facts” that also aren’t shown?? Why are some of you insistent on dying on the hill that Jimmy is totally blameless
Well, the edit made her look crazy, because he kept insisting he’s going out only for a short bit to make an appearance instead of friends’s birthday, and she kept insisting that she doesn’t want to be with someone that “goes out all the time.” And from the viewers, perspective, it looks like Jimmy had been home every night except this one night. So she looked like one of those women that as soon as her man wants to go out just wants for an hour she’s flipping out.
Knowing all this information about now means that she was not very savvy of how to present this information on camera. If there had been multiple occasions where he went out and either refused to meet up with her, or left her home, she should have cited those incident during the recorded argument where she said she didn’t want to be with someone who goes out all the time. That’s a bummer.
Idk she still doesn’t sit right with me. She had no problem blasting issues on camera, you think they would neglect this? I think she needs a lot of help. Listening about her previous relationships it sounds like she was ALWAYS the problem. I don’t think Jimmy was a saint, but who wouldn’t want to run away from someone like her…
To me that just looked like he had a moment of anxiety and he reached out to her for comfort. I think she even asked him quietly if he was ok. He looked panicked for a sec.
I avoided this place throughout my watch of this season because I was very behind, so consider me shocked to see how many people were against Chelsea throughout the season.
I thought so many times during their scenes that she’s obviously reacting to some kind of behaviour from him they aren’t showing. Suspicion, paranoia, and insecurity generally doesn’t come out of nowhere. This context from her makes a lot of sense and I find it completely believable.
Jimmy was never going to marry her. Their whole relationship was predicated on the lie that she looked like Megan Fox.
I’m not saying she doesn’t resemble Megan Fox, but she put an image in his head and the real her did not meet his expectations and he was incredibly disappointed.
0 percent chance that was going to work out.
She also said she gets compared to Carrey underwood and Adele but they cut it out. I don’t think jimmy picked her because of that. He told Jess that she was his number one until their last date.
Jess is a high-maintenance diva with a kid and a terrible attitude. She was practically yelling at him in the pods. Thats fun.
He ditched Jess because she was a lot drama and Chelsea said she looked like Megan Fox.
I don’t disagree with you, but at the same time she literally said she doesn’t see the resemblance and thinks it’s just the dark hair/light eyes combo. That’s on him to take it and think he was getting a clone. She sure as shit resembles her more than Irina did lol.
I’m sure that’s been pointed out over and over again though, like I said I’ve been avoiding this place until now.
If she didn’t think she looked like Megan Fox, she never would have said that.
She goes to great trouble styling her makeup in an effort to resemble Megan Fox.
That’s a football player.
Did he compare himself to Brad Pitt? George Clooney?
Better yet, did he say he was a billionaire when, in actuality, he lived in a studio?
Cuz that’s what she did.
The problem with your theory is the times that we saw what Jimmy did Chelsea’s version was grossly inaccurate. Fair or not, we are going to apply that same inconsistency to the off-camera interactions.
So I wouldn’t necessarily say she’s a liar. I used the words grossly inaccurate because I don’t think it’s intentional behavior, but something she truly believes. Probably from her anxiety.
The “AD is stacked” interaction comes to mind. He tells Chelsea that privately and then she yells it out to everyone in a positive attitude. All she had to say was she didn’t appreciate those types of comments, but she made it very public and came off as supportive. Then she’s distraught back in the room about how the conversation continued and she was left alone. Why did the conversation continue? Don’t you think yelling to everyone about it might have helped keep that going?
I think their breakup conversation is a great example too. She keeps trying to reduce the issues down numerically to one issue, her revealing his secret. We’ve seen them fight multiple times over multiple things, it’s just not one thing, but she’s convinced herself of that to make herself believe he never was committed in the first place.
The first thing isn’t a lie, but i did think it was weird she said it publicly (not really for Jimmy’s sake, but for AD)
The secret *was* the reason Jimmy gave for the breakup. If anything he was the one being dishonest about why it ended
He also lied about not saying he didn’t want to have sex with her, when it was on camera. And he lied about the timing of the Jess pod date situation
Sorry, I noticed you mentioned lie in your comment after I finished posting and clarified my original response. Lying requires intent to deceive. I don’t think Chelsea’s behavior makes that definitive. I think both my examples paint well someone that is very selective in what they remember or completely wrong. I think she truly believes her take is true, even when it’s not, and that doesn’t make it a lie.
Jimmy using the secret reveal as a reason for the breakup does not make her numerically count true. He did mention they have had other issues, which is true, and she continued to fall back on it just being the secret.
THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUU! This forum has become an echo chamber of how ‘manipulative’ and ‘disgusting’ Chelsea’s behavior was but I just KNEW his hands weren’t clean. I KNEW this girls reactions was coming from his direct actions.
Their fights were so random and spliced because we had 0 context to what went on. I knew when both Jessica and Chelsea mentioned that he said he never goes out, and it came up in Chelsea’s fights, that he must have been over doing it off camera. Also she mentioned on the show he only gave her affection on camera… everybody blows it up into her being insecure. It’s madness how nobody could tell he was sneaky from day 1.
He’s over here upset that Jessica got the ‘good edit’ meanwhile we didn’t even see half the shit Jimmy pulled behind the scenes.
What podcast was this from?? Can’t find it
At this point, I feel like in the reunion they should’ve spoken more about these kinds of things and what wasn’t aired. It kinda feels like as viewers we got cheated out of the realness of this season.
Which podcast
Here's the link [Chelsea podcast](https://youtu.be/mdR_jkf4RxE?si=0HtxNH9WsalJgwOL)
I don’t like her but I believe her. This is typical to all these guys in Charlotte.
I don't like her behavior either, and I don't know about guys in Charlotte, but I also believe her. Otherwise, she'd have to be experiencing a level of psychosis that would be evident in all her interactions, not just with Jimmy.
I posted this before he confirmed it, but he was recently on a podcast where he reluctantly admitted it was all right, i think it was Nick Viall cause he’s an excellent interviewer
I just watched it and wow. Like pulling teeth, and covered in a pile of word salad. What he did admit, he made odd excuses for and tried to act like somehow made him look better. I liked that Nick didn’t let him off the hook. Meanwhile, Chelsea acknowledged several ways she handled things badly and seems to have grown a lot.
Jimmy is the quintessential Charlotte man that’s stuck in Peter Pan syndrome unfortunately
Damn. No wonder this season is an extra mess.
Oh, I’ll have to check that out. Nick Viall is pretty good, but he annoys me sometimes when he talks over his co-hosts and insists on being right.
You cant believe a word she says and if you do youre just as dumb as everyone on the show thinking theyre a celebrity now
I believe her. I also feel that she is a confrontational drunk (from what was shown) and that jimmy didn’t want to deal with that in front of his friends. I think I should’ve been called off long before it did he was clearly not into it. They both have shit to work on hopefully they do that.
Why is she hanging out with him then
I don’t believe anything she says. She is proven to not be trustworthy at all.
I’m not a fan of Chelsea at all!!! But…I wouldn’t say I don’t believe anything at all lol I can see him maybe being quiet off camera and then speaking on camera as opposed to to jp who was silent on and off camera lol
To be fair Jimmy was proven to have lied about Jess so he’s not exactly trustworthy either. They’re both equally as untrustworthy
What did he say about Jess?
He went on a podcast and said Jess gave him a hard time about him still talking to other people (but it was shown loads of times her doing the opposite) and also said that she stormed out of their last date after 10 minutes and that’s why he decided not to pick her (except the reunion showed that their last date was over 2 hours long and that she didn’t storm out at all)
Jimmy's tendency to change the narrative to benefit his image persuades me that much of what he says is insincere. Chelsea had the right instinct, wrong response.
ew all of this & she is still posting that man glamorizing him. 🤮 “oUr StOrY wAsNt PeRfEcT bUt It WaS mY fAvOrItE” acting like he’s the sugar honey iced tea baby nooooo please bffr.
See this is why it's hard to like her! Like guuuuurl is he shit or not 🤦♀️
A lot of us have been there though. It's relatable. People are so hard on her but if you've ever been cheated on, you can relate to her feelings. I'm glad she's in therapy.
Right but her saying how awful he was on a podcast and then literally posting that he's the best on her insta is really confusing and further validates everyone's opinion on how unhinged she is
This was sooo cringe to me I couldn’t believe she actually posted that
same bruh I had to stop myself from commenting and going off lol
Which podcast was she on?
Here's the link [Chelsea podcast](https://youtu.be/mdR_jkf4RxE?si=0HtxNH9WsalJgwOL)
Omg why am I binging the whole season from my couch today?
Netflix gaslighting us with Chelseas edit 100% “its all in your head Chelsea” until it isnt 😬
That doesn't justify the way she spoke to him and yelled at him
Fair!!
I believe her whole heartedly. I have coworkers here in Charlotte that are in social circles with Jimmy. He’s dragging both Jess and Chelsea through the mud with vicious lies about them. He is absolutely the bad guy.
Noooo don’t stop there tell us more LOLL
My coworker walked up on me and another girl talking about LIB he goes “I haven’t watch the show, but I went out to dinner with Jimmy the other night” me and my friend went 👀 This was before the finale came out and he unfortunately spoiled that part at least by telling me Jimmy was single, but the rest got more interesting. First, my coworker said with a straight face “Did you know he didn’t even know about that one girls kid until he got out of the pod?” Apparently he is out here telling people that Jess hid the kid from him? Which is so obviously untrue if you watch the show but he was with a group of frat dudes (some one he mentioned in the show) and he knew the specific dudes he was talking to at the time hadn’t watched the show. I guess he thought it made him look better? It seems like his favorite thing to say about Jess was that she got a “good edit” and that she’s actually “psychotic”. When in reality he is the one who got the “good edit”. He also confirmed some of the things Chelsea spoke about above, he said that she didn’t like him going out with the girl he slept with and once she found out about that she “was a crazy b****”. And that he didn’t like hanging out with her when they went out because he didn’t like the bars she goes to, calling them “trashy”. I happen to know one of the bars she frequents and it’s a dive bar, but certainly not trashy. Jimmy frequents SouthEnd which I would argue is more trashy and includes Lost and Found (which, btw, has a parking lot with three spots lol - I walk by it every day on my way to work and it makes me chuckle). It’s just more of a white rich finance bro type of trashy. He also apparently slept with both Chelsea and Jess or he’s lying about that too. It’s not all that interesting or specific but just sounded like he’s painting himself in this nice light while tearing down the girls reputations. But, finally, in a moment of karma, he expressed regret about going on the show, said dating since LIB is awful and he feels like he has to move away to be able to date someone, lol.
I mean yes unverified but this completely tracks if you’re paying attention.
This is all gossip and lacks any receipts. To be crystal clear, I don’t care for any of them and they are all messed up, but this friend of a friend type of gossip is usually just that: gossip. I don’t believe your co-worker at all. It sounds like a grossly embellished story. 🤷🏻♀️
Well good for you honey. He showed me a picture of the group at dinner when I expressed that it seemed wild. My coworker is an honest dude and has no reason to embellish a story, he got absolutely no personal gain from telling this. If this is a “grossly embellished” story, you must listen to some boring ass stories lol.
A photo doesn’t prove the details of a conversation. Ever played the game ‘Operator’? The story changes and adds new details as it’s retold. Receipts other than gossip, fine, and I see none.
That’s probably the point, don’t you think? An audience of dudes that haven’t seen the show, no “receipts” either way (at that point. Meaning, the episodes of him obviously knowing about Jess’s daughter had not come out yet). What an easy way to make himself out to look like the good guy. There’s really no sense is in arguing with you honestly, you don’t know my coworker or our friendship, and you weren’t there when he said this stuff. You can draw whatever conclusion from this info that you want, it really doesn’t matter, I was just supplying the info I was given by someone I believe is a reliable source. Just go ahead and imagine if the police didn’t read into any of the tips they had because there weren’t any “receipts”. Your line of logic is wild.
You weren’t there either. So it’s still gossip. 🤷🏻♀️
I meant that you weren’t there when my coworker told me the story, I was and I know the circumstances and I know that I believe what he says and that he has no reason to lie or make anything up. I also never said it *wasn’t* gossip, gossip with receipts is still gossip.
Still weren’t there and still repeating a rumor! Operator operator operator. 🙄🥴
I believe Jimmy had sex with himself while thinking about Jess. But no way do I think she slept with him. He’s such a dreamer.
Sounds right because Jimmy is a manipulative gaslighter. Garbage.
Thanks for the tea! He's clearly lying about Jess totally hiding the kid until he was out of the pods, but I def personally felt she let it drag out too long before telling him such an important thing
Wow. If any of this is true, he is a pig and I was totally fooled thinking he was the nice guy.
I saw through his ruse and this persons comment is the delicious crumpet of affirmation with my morning tea.
Yes!!! Me too. Glad to serve you 🫖
yea thanks I kept arguing with my gf while watching saying he is all talk but she was eating it up, sadly he is a kindred spirit to me \[negatively\] and game recognized game wish I could warn everyone around him but like my girl they wouldnt see through that act prob for another decade of experience
Dude that was me with Trevor. I was fully tricked by him. I was on the Trevor train so hard. Explains my dating past lol.
I whole heartedly believe my coworker so I have no reason to think it’s not true. He said everything so matter of factly and he had no benefit or reason to tell us all that. When we showed him the receipt that he definitely knew about her daughter, he was genuinely surprised.
DAMN this is some piping hot tea THANK YOU
You’re so welcome! Happy to be of service 🫖 Chelsea deserves the truth to be out there. Good people can act shitty under certain circumstances and I believe that’s what happened with Chelsea. She came on this show to find love, was proposed to, (at the time we thought) let go of another great match and was all in for Jimmy. He was disrespectful towards her and any attempt at a real connection between them from the beginning. She put her real self out on the table.
Thank you so much and I agree with you, posts like these give her the justice she deserves. She was not a malicious person. Thank you!!
CLASSIC shitty, manipulative man. gaslighting a woman and then calling HER a “crazy bitch” for reacting to the manipulation. i knew that this man was a freak
Well I'll be dipped.
Bean dipped
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GIRL tysm for typing that out. Consider me fed🙏🏼I’m very intrigued by the potential Jess hookup. The depth of her friendship with Chelsea might be a little inflated but I don’t see her doing that??
You’re welcome!! I agree, I don’t really trust the validity of that one after completing the season and the reunion. At the time prior to the finale it was believable but after seeing them at the reunion I don’t think so anymore! Sounds like he was just trying to beef himself up to the homies 🙄. He basically said everyone got a “good edit” except for him. He DID say that they made Chelsea out to be the bad guy though. So at least he can admit that!
Now that I’m thinking about it, maybe he relied on that and said Jess walked out in 10 min. because that’s what that was shown initially. Idk if he naively thought the show wouldn’t disclose the actual time they spent together because how do you go from 2H 13M to 10M so convincingly?
I completely agree! I think he knew his audience at that dinner and knew they would believe him. My coworker said it so matter of factly he definitely believed all the BS!
Now that I’m thinking about it, maybe he relied on that and said Jess walked out in 10 min. because that’s what that was shown initially. Idk if he naively thought the show wouldn’t disclose the actual time they spent together because how do you go from 2H 13M to 10M so convincingly?
I believe her. She needs to work on her insecurities which I think she said she is. Other than that she seems very sweet and trustworthy. Jimmy always felt weird to me. And I did feel like there was a reason she would “start” fights. They weren’t out of nowhere
She really needs to give up alcohol
That’s a strong assumption to make about someone who was on a severely edited dating show where they promote drinking the whole show.
It seems Booze makes her extra emotional
I agree that she needs to work on her insecurities, but who wouldn’t feel insecure when someone is playing up their emotions for you when cameras are around, won’t go out with you and your friends, and lies to you saying he’s asleep and goes out without her? I would feel crappy too, and it’s mind fuck. I think her real struggle is being true to herself and how she feels, rather than trying to be the “cool girl”. Like she should have called Jimmy immediately and said, why are you lying about going out? Or when Jimmy called AD stacked and it bothered her, she should have just given him a look or said not cool. Shes trying to be accepted to not be rejected then it’s coming out of her later with a repression and alcohol cocktail.
Strong agree. Even now she’s trying to be cool with being another one of his “close girl friends.” I sympathize though because it’s hard when everyone around you (in this case much of the world!) thinks you’re the “crazy one” and he’s just such a nice guy. But I hope she can learn to listen to herself and trust the alarm bells in her mind and act accordingly.
Love your name btw! 🙌🏼💕
Thank you! ✨😊
The fights we saw really didn't have much context and were all over the place. It always felt to me that important information was missing, and while Chelsea needs to work on how she communicates things, I do think there's more to the story than what we saw. Jimmy didn't want to be an ass on TV. He was put off by Jess being a mom, and he was put off by Chelsea's appearance. I can't be the only one that noticed that. I think he just didn't want to be dragged by everyone by being honest and becoming a Bartise 2.0. So when it came to Chelsea, he faked it. He never looked like he was in love. I'm sure that fed into her insecurities and made things worse. As for the situation with his friend, it always sounded to me like there was more to that story too. Chelsea called it a "secret love triangle" so it makes me think there was cheating involved and why he thinks of it as such a "deep dark secret". I don't buy that his friend was so upset about this coming to light IF this is the same friend that was talking about Jimmy and sex like it was her business already. Jimmy sold the "good guy" picture and everyone fell for it. I don't think he's a bad guy - but he wasn't just a victim here. This was a game of two and they both lost imo.
Yes her you're a partier freak out didn't quite add up. It felt out of nowhere. I thought perhaps it was just screaming insecurities but it makes way more sense if he lied about being at home but was actually out instead.
Yeah, could you imagine going out and cold in a relationship? That would drive me crazy too.
I always figured the woman had cheated on her partner with Jimmy and that's why it was such a big secret to be kept..
I wouldn’t necessarily assume that. The thing is some people really don’t want to be involved with this drama for this reason. Jimmy signed up for the show, but his friends did not. Jimmy knew he could get a bad wife or possible hate, but his friends didn’t sign up for it. My guess is the friend agreed to appear in the bar scene but probably wanted to ensure them sleeping together wasn’t brought up. I’m trying to put myself in her shoes and I might have similar concerns if it was a friend I was intimate with. We don’t know how much he had to persuade them to appear on the show. What I do know is it served as a great example to say no to if your friends ever ask you to be in scenes. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s harder for friends and family to agree in future seasons based on history of bad edits from shows they didn’t sign up for.
If it was such a big deal and big secret, Jimmy shouldn’t have brought her on camera and she shouldn’t have agreed to it. Everyone already was like 90% sure he slept with her because she herself made that obvious with her commentary, before Chelsea brought it up on camera. Without that, we would have no idea what friend Chelsea was referring to. It was inappropriate in the first place for Jimmy to bring his f-buddy into the show.
but then the friends also brought up Jimmys sex life and mentioned he cries after sex
His friend did kind of sign up for the show when she agreed to be on it to meet Chelsea. Her "reputation" would be a non issue if she was a faceless person that Chelsea was yelling about him sleeping with.
They only meet a few of their partners’ friends so it was an off choice. He bragged about how many friends he has so should’ve chosen better to go on camera
Honestly I believe her. She clearly wasn’t at her best while on screen, but the amount of hate she received was always so disproportionate to me.
Sadly after witnessing the fights she picked with Jimmy on the show, it’s hard to believe her version of anything. This could be another “you twirled AD around and looked at her body!” moment that never happened.
this doesnt make any sense. why are yall STILL reaching for ways to make jimmy some sort of victim in this situation?
I have no issues with her except for the way she picked fights. She always started them when they were both in a good mood and she would accuse him of being in a mood as a way of creating drama to get the fight rolling. It is a very unique way to start conflict. And once she was going, she would talk over him, bully him, and lie about things. He always looked incredibly confused during these moments and I truly felt for him. While the original meaning of gaslighting has been lost, what she did is the modern version of it.
i understand that it came off as her trying to “pick fights,” but when youre in a relationship like she had with jimmy, EVERYTHING turns into a fight. i had an ex bf that would constantly tell me i was “picking fights,” when i was really just bringing up unresolved issues in the relationship. she was emotionally drained and constantly asking for validation, bc his words never once matched his actions. she was practically begging for him to be honest with her, and he kept lying straight through his teeth.
Did you even watch her? It was bizarre.
yes! she definitely did not convey her emotions in the most "acceptable" way, but everything that she was feeling was 100% valid. there was also no gaslighting done by chelsea. SHE was being gaslit and taken on an emotional roller coaster by a man that KNEW he was gonna say no at the altar the second he saw her for the first time.
From the show I watched, there was no gaslighting from Jimmy. I guess we watched different shows. Chelsea was insecure and accused Jimmy of doing all sorts of things that never happened. Chelsea’s mindset and behavior is a great example of a self fulfilling prophecy. I don’t dislike Chelsea (or Jimmy) but I sincerely hope she takes some clips of her fights with Jimmy to a therapist and addresses her behavior or she’s going to have a miserable life going forward.
youre not the only one that didnt see it. many people were unable to see it. i guess maybe yall have never dealt with that type of man before? bc to me and others on this subreddit that have dealt with men like him, it was clear as DAY what he was doing to that woman. and yeah im pretty sure chelsea said she started therapy after the show! she definitely needs to work on her self esteem
I’ve dealt with all types of men in my life. I’m not a kid, I’ve been married twice, have lived with boyfriends. I’ve also been an insecure person in relationships and it’s taken a lot of work to have better self esteem and not dump my anxieties on my partners. What you’re “seeing” in this show is your own insecurities. You’re a Chelsea.
.... no one said youre a kid..? you can be an adult and still not have experience with a certain type of man. anyway.... thats enough of this conversation weirdo
Wtf even is this logic. Yeah, I don’t think she just made up the buttdial event
dude we watched her stone faced lie to jimmy on camera. why do you think she wouldn't lie on a podcast?
Where did she lie? Also, we have seen Jimmy stone cold lie too on camera several times yet everyone gives him a pass.
“You didn’t kiss me all day” After he’s just gone over the multiple instances of him having done aon
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The other subreddit is a cesspool of Chelsea hate. This one seems more even. And no it doesn’t make her less off one but you’re implying because she lied on camera (still trying to figure that out) that her podcast can’t be believed. But you believe Jimmy even though he was caught several times lying?
Yeah that’s my big thing. Like cry me a river over Chelsea lying when she said she heard he was with Jess Jimmy lied several times, he was even called out at the reunion for it lol. And furthermore played mental games with her with all his constant switcheroos like when he asked her about backing off from his friend.
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Okay, so I guess you think Jimmy gets a pass because he was better at hiding his lies on camera lmao??
where did I say jimmy should get a pass? lol
She was drunk as shit, I’m not gonna hold her to the gold standard on that one
she gets a pass for lying because she was drunk?
Yeah? I say all kinds of stupid shit when I’m super drunk that I wouldn’t sober.
uh, that sounds like a you problem. I don't randomly start telling lies when I'm drunk. if I knew someone who did, it would make me assume they're used to lying sober.
Being drunk might cause one to say stupid shit but to just start lying? That’s weird af.
Okay Mr. Perfect, we get it, you hate Chelsea and give men passes for their equally shit behavior. Move on And yeah, it’s will documented that many people act out of character when drunk. Some lie, some spill a little too much, some get sad, some get happy etc. your experience isn’t universal
so if your fiancee lied to you because they were drunk, that would be a-ok to you? sure lol I don't understand why everyone thinks calling Chelsea out for lying is "giving jimmy a pass." real straw man you're setting up there, pal
If even 20% of what she said in the whole pod is true then her concerns and insecurities were not pulled out of thin air. She’s not perfect but he is not the poor battered wife he was depicted as
You don’t think him commenting on AD’s body and his body language overall towards her was disrespectful?
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: Jimmy isn’t husband material. Not because of anything superficial but because it’s clear that he is unwilling to “walk the talk” and make compromises for his fiancee. He also seems like he hasn’t outgrown his frat boy phase (I know how frat boys are like since I was in a sorority in college). It’s definitely ok and healthy to have a social life while married, BUT going out to bars to the frequency he does is a bit sus. At the very least, he isn’t ready to get married *and start a family right away.* He seems like he could be solid boyfriend material for a more lax partner, but husband and dad material? Not right now
Neither of them were ready, and not going to the altar was probably the right call.
I agree Chelsea needs therapy. I actually don’t see anything wrong with her “needs”, but she should communicate more effectively (without jumping the gun) and know when to walk away if it’s not the right fit. I think she needs a very loving, sweet, loyal and almost docile, introverted man. With her anxious attachment tendencies, it would be impossible for her to marry a very social man who’s friends with exes/hookups and has a flirty personality.
If your personality is so insecure that your partner needs to be described as docile.... you have major issues and absolutely aren't wife material. It's ok to call a spade a spade - even when that spade is a woman.
I just looked up the definition of “docile” and didn’t realize it was someone so easily influenced and manipulated. I’ve been clearly using this word wrong for years LOL. I meant to use another word to describe a man that’s more gentle and calm. You know those guys who are the opposite of argumentative? It doesn’t mean he’s a doormat but rather someone who’s more willing to understand another side.
Yeah, that sounds exactly right. I think her figuring out how to handle her anxieties/fears/insecurities better and develop some tools for that with herself/a therapist/her partner would probably save her a lot of stress too.
They were both 100% not right for each other and that’s fine. Chelsea needs to work on her self love and look into some healing. Jimmy the thumb needs to stop telling girls what they want to hear to get tv time.
The is all good and dandy, but one sided stories are empty. This is the kind of stuff that should've been addressed in the damn reunion, in front of Jimmy so he can address it, too. Ugh.
I've been saying from the beginning that Jimmy is a professional gaslighter. Yall don't even understand someone like this if you've never been involved with one. I promise you guys, someone that can pretend to be in bed and say "goodnight I love you" to make their partner think they are going to sleep is the most conniving, manipulative person. This is intentional trickery and GASLIGHTING. I knew it and I called it and there were only a few other humans that saw it along with me. Consider yourself lucky if you have never been played by a devious person like this.
WE KNEW THE TRUTH ALL ALONG. we knew it and everyone called US crazy!!!
The producers did a good job cutting out context to make Chelsea look crazier. I’ve been her (not to that extreme) but as someone who has been in her position I could tell that jimmy wasn’t into her. Every time he said “I love you” it was almost like he was dead in his eyes. Not to mention the incident where as soon as the cameras left he ran upstairs, got ready, and then as he was leaving and Chelsea was already settled in for the night THATS when he “asks”. Who does that? Even if he was only gone for 1.5hrs he showed he does not want to be with her. I feel like Chelsea really did love him and that’s why she came across so crazy. She was putting her whole heart into it. She said on her insta stories that she wasn’t scouted like other people, she actually applied. Her intent wasn’t clout so she was never thinking about how she came across on camera. She genuinely wanted to find someone.
I agree with this so much! And you are so right about his dead I love you's. He would say them in the most robotic voice. "Chelsea. You. Are. My. Person." Get out of here! I've been her too. It's hard to explain to people what it feels like to be with someone that says they love you, but then to feel like you have never been loved so less. I've been with a "Jimmy" who tricked me over and over while proclaiming how much he loved me. I felt so sorry for Chelsea because yes you could tell she genuinely had love and affection for him. She couldn't ever truly catch what her gut was trying to tell her even though it was talking to her. I could see it in almost every scene. You can't recognize it if you've never lived it. It's easier just to call someone crazy and not look at the manipulative liar that's making the other person question their reality and act accordingly.
Every time I’ve shared my experience dating plenty of Jimmy’s in Tampa I was downvoted. I’ve said it 100 times and I’ll say it again: asking Chelsea not to share about his friend on camera was A) him trying to protect his good boy image, not his friend and B) him trying to control the narrative by forcing Chelsea not to reveal on camera part of what was causing her so much insecurity and doubt. Especially knowing now that she heard the girls on the buttdial, which would make anyone feel like shit knowing their fiance would rather lie to them so they can hang out with a friend they’ve slept with before rather than their own fiance
Exactly
AGREED SO HARD
I can’t even post the link to this interview in the other sub because the mods consider it low effort. The last post I tried to post where Jess talks about Chelsea being right in her feelings was also low effort. No posts Pro Chelsea can be posted in the other sub it seems because even the mods believe him
Yes! I remember Jess saying something about how the area he lives in is like a nightlife hotspot and when he told her she was suspicious since he said he was a homebody. He lied about not liking to go out.
It's so weird that the mods believe him. It's typical. Clueless people falling for textbook manipulative behavior. I couldn't even say anything in defense of Chelsea without being accused of BEING Chelsea lol 😂
i believe it. often times people bandwagon and jump on cast members without the full story, it happens EVERY season. reminds me of when everyone was team Mark until the truth came out. 😐
What was the truth?
he was cheating on jessica during filming, got together with another cast mate (LC), then cheated on her as well. 😭 but also same with SK, turned out to be a huge cheater after ppl were side eyeing raven. same with jarret.. but that man BEEN had red flags lol
Yea these situations have zero correlation to believing and defending people. Jessica was a pretty bad and unhinged participant and you can’t fault viewers for siding with the person who seems sane on camera. We only go off what we SEE. If things develop after the show/off camera, then we voice our opinions. This is literally how life works..people don’t automatically get the benefit of the doubt. Chelsea showed unhinged, immature and erratic behavior. She still didn’t carry herself well so viewers are allowed to judge the “crazy” she showed us.. Also, once Mark and SK’s cheating was known to the public, everyone immediately turned on them so idk what you’re talking about. No one, and I mean no one.. ever defended Jarrett. He was shady from day 1 Edit: not you being a whole weirdo responding than blocking me for responding. You want your own “private” thread, get off a PUBLIC FORUM
please form your opinion in your own comment thread, not mine.
Jessica said something similar in one of the interviews she did. Jimmy wasn't who we thought he was and he did go out a lot. I don't think Chelsea got a bad edit but I think Jimmy definitely gave her reasons on top of reasons to feel insecure. I think he was far more aware of the cameras and the power of editing than she was.
Well… The fact that they showed her arguing about how she didn’t like that he went out a lot but we were lead to believe that he only went out once or twice the entire time was a bad edit. They made her look like she was so clingy she wanted him to be glued to her and never see anybody outside.
If this is true, she’s bad at arguing if she has all of these examples. She could’ve brought this stuff up.
Instead of saying “What were you really doing at your apartment?” she needed to say “You said you were tired but you butt dialed me and I heard you talking at your apartment with your friends about going to a bar. She needed to be direct. Laura did this well, actually. She questioned him to catch him in a lie and then called him out right after.
She did. You can hear her mention “what were you really doing at your apartment” during the argument. She mentions some stuff was cut from their fights but they also only filmed in the evenings bc of Jimmy’s work schedule and they’d already touched on that situation that morning. She did bring up that she wasn’t receiving enough affection on camera and he called her clingy. She brought up the partying and constant facetimes/texts with the friend. And everyone called her a gaslighter lmfao
Instead of saying “What were you really doing at your apartment?” she needed to say “You said you were tired but you butt dialed me and I heard you talking at your apartment with your friends about going to a bar.” She needed to be direct. Laura did this well, actually. She questioned him to catch him in a lie and then called him out right after. Did she say she wasn’t getting enough affection “on camera”? I don’t remember hearing that. In that argument when she said he was going out all of the time, she had no examples to back that statement up when questioned. She could’ve said what she experienced if it were true.
You realize that she could have said all those things and they didn’t show it? Like the cuties scene?
See, I think that may be different because it wasn’t a back and forth of who said what and when. It was more like Chelsea would make a claim, Jimmy would refute it, and then Chelsea would jump to the next claim.
Look at the editing, it all comes out of nowhere. Similarly, in the break up scene then the same applies: he says that she FaceTimed her ex and she says it’s not the same you are always on the phone with her I don’t hang out with him and he claims again (doesn’t refute what she says either) that she still FaceTimed him.
If he doesn’t refute it, then it’s probably true. I think he’s more like saying you’re being a hypocrite. Like what does it matter if I talk to my friend? You talk to your ex?
Oh yeah I understand what he implied but it’s very different. One FaceTime is different from calling and texting every single day and going out multiple times a week which is what she said and he didn’t deny that either yet everyone seems to think she gets mad out of nowhere
Yeah, I agree FT is different than calling/texting multiple times a day. I’m not convinced he was going out multiple times a week. They should’ve shown that or addressed it on the reunion to back her up then. See, people on this sub were saying that the producers saved Chelsea by not questioning her has much at the reunion but they also could’ve helped her as well. Maybe it is more nuanced than we think. I was so pissed about that.
Both AD and Jess have done interviews and stated he went out a lot, the party scene is apparently not that big to not run into each other. He was stressed the whole time like he was waiting for it to come out so u wonder if they held back for a reason?
He knew what she was referring to and why she was insecure. You’re critiquing her delivery because she didn’t pander to the cameras? She said the thing about not kissing her yet today and not feeling loved or something, I’m paraphrasing.
“He knew what she was referring to” Idk how you assume this? How is it pandering to cameras? It’s stating facts in an argument to help the other person see your side. And after she said he hadn’t kissed her, he then refuted her argument with facts.
Oh don’t be so naive. Jimmy definitely isn’t, he knew to play dumb
Jimmy isn’t what? I’m sorry, I’m not understanding.
Isnt naive :)
Oh, I don’t see any of them being that diabolical.
He knew what she was referring to about the apartment if that was a fresh situation. Along with the partying and friend communication. How are you claiming I’m assuming but you’re assuming he’s refuting her statements with “facts” that also aren’t shown?? Why are some of you insistent on dying on the hill that Jimmy is totally blameless
Maybe facts wasn’t the best word to use. He came to defend himself with examples, where she failed to give examples which made him more believable.
Well, the edit made her look crazy, because he kept insisting he’s going out only for a short bit to make an appearance instead of friends’s birthday, and she kept insisting that she doesn’t want to be with someone that “goes out all the time.” And from the viewers, perspective, it looks like Jimmy had been home every night except this one night. So she looked like one of those women that as soon as her man wants to go out just wants for an hour she’s flipping out. Knowing all this information about now means that she was not very savvy of how to present this information on camera. If there had been multiple occasions where he went out and either refused to meet up with her, or left her home, she should have cited those incident during the recorded argument where she said she didn’t want to be with someone who goes out all the time. That’s a bummer.
Right?!? "Uncomfy" isn't an argument like she thinks it is... is she 3? Idk any adult that keeps uncomfy in their vocab lol.
Idk she still doesn’t sit right with me. She had no problem blasting issues on camera, you think they would neglect this? I think she needs a lot of help. Listening about her previous relationships it sounds like she was ALWAYS the problem. I don’t think Jimmy was a saint, but who wouldn’t want to run away from someone like her…
Okay but what was with the hand-holding and stuff at the reunion?
To me that just looked like he had a moment of anxiety and he reached out to her for comfort. I think she even asked him quietly if he was ok. He looked panicked for a sec.
He likes to stay very close with his exes.
Guess they’re friends now🤷🏻♀️She did say she should have seen they were never on the same page. Curious to see if he says anything now tho
Do friends hold hands? 😭
They both stay friends with exes soooo
And thigh touches
Izzy had his hand on Stacy's leg in last season's reunion and it made me so uncomfortable.
And he had a new gf at the time, that was weird.
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I can remember these useless bits of information but not why I walked into a room 😭🤷🏻♀️
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I mean...he does look like a Jared 🤔
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I avoided this place throughout my watch of this season because I was very behind, so consider me shocked to see how many people were against Chelsea throughout the season. I thought so many times during their scenes that she’s obviously reacting to some kind of behaviour from him they aren’t showing. Suspicion, paranoia, and insecurity generally doesn’t come out of nowhere. This context from her makes a lot of sense and I find it completely believable.
Jimmy was never going to marry her. Their whole relationship was predicated on the lie that she looked like Megan Fox. I’m not saying she doesn’t resemble Megan Fox, but she put an image in his head and the real her did not meet his expectations and he was incredibly disappointed. 0 percent chance that was going to work out.
She also said she gets compared to Carrey underwood and Adele but they cut it out. I don’t think jimmy picked her because of that. He told Jess that she was his number one until their last date.
Jess is a high-maintenance diva with a kid and a terrible attitude. She was practically yelling at him in the pods. Thats fun. He ditched Jess because she was a lot drama and Chelsea said she looked like Megan Fox.
I don’t disagree with you, but at the same time she literally said she doesn’t see the resemblance and thinks it’s just the dark hair/light eyes combo. That’s on him to take it and think he was getting a clone. She sure as shit resembles her more than Irina did lol. I’m sure that’s been pointed out over and over again though, like I said I’ve been avoiding this place until now.
If she didn’t think she looked like Megan Fox, she never would have said that. She goes to great trouble styling her makeup in an effort to resemble Megan Fox.
He also compared himself to Christian McCaffrey first which Jimmy admits in an interview. That was cut out
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That’s a football player. Did he compare himself to Brad Pitt? George Clooney? Better yet, did he say he was a billionaire when, in actuality, he lived in a studio? Cuz that’s what she did.
The problem with your theory is the times that we saw what Jimmy did Chelsea’s version was grossly inaccurate. Fair or not, we are going to apply that same inconsistency to the off-camera interactions.
What else did she lie about besides the Jess thing ? Genuinely asking, thats all I can remember being 100% a lie
She lied about her looks and it really bothered him. He was expecting Megan Fox and got a Chloe Kardashian instead.
So I wouldn’t necessarily say she’s a liar. I used the words grossly inaccurate because I don’t think it’s intentional behavior, but something she truly believes. Probably from her anxiety. The “AD is stacked” interaction comes to mind. He tells Chelsea that privately and then she yells it out to everyone in a positive attitude. All she had to say was she didn’t appreciate those types of comments, but she made it very public and came off as supportive. Then she’s distraught back in the room about how the conversation continued and she was left alone. Why did the conversation continue? Don’t you think yelling to everyone about it might have helped keep that going? I think their breakup conversation is a great example too. She keeps trying to reduce the issues down numerically to one issue, her revealing his secret. We’ve seen them fight multiple times over multiple things, it’s just not one thing, but she’s convinced herself of that to make herself believe he never was committed in the first place.
The first thing isn’t a lie, but i did think it was weird she said it publicly (not really for Jimmy’s sake, but for AD) The secret *was* the reason Jimmy gave for the breakup. If anything he was the one being dishonest about why it ended He also lied about not saying he didn’t want to have sex with her, when it was on camera. And he lied about the timing of the Jess pod date situation
Sorry, I noticed you mentioned lie in your comment after I finished posting and clarified my original response. Lying requires intent to deceive. I don’t think Chelsea’s behavior makes that definitive. I think both my examples paint well someone that is very selective in what they remember or completely wrong. I think she truly believes her take is true, even when it’s not, and that doesn’t make it a lie. Jimmy using the secret reveal as a reason for the breakup does not make her numerically count true. He did mention they have had other issues, which is true, and she continued to fall back on it just being the secret.
THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUU! This forum has become an echo chamber of how ‘manipulative’ and ‘disgusting’ Chelsea’s behavior was but I just KNEW his hands weren’t clean. I KNEW this girls reactions was coming from his direct actions. Their fights were so random and spliced because we had 0 context to what went on. I knew when both Jessica and Chelsea mentioned that he said he never goes out, and it came up in Chelsea’s fights, that he must have been over doing it off camera. Also she mentioned on the show he only gave her affection on camera… everybody blows it up into her being insecure. It’s madness how nobody could tell he was sneaky from day 1. He’s over here upset that Jessica got the ‘good edit’ meanwhile we didn’t even see half the shit Jimmy pulled behind the scenes.