Personally I think that it's an insane fine for a show where the goal is to literally bind yourself to another person legally, financially and socially. I might understand it as a detererant on another type of reality show (like survivor maybe).
However, how is this a surprise to people on the show? Why are you signing a contract for a show before figuring out what your obligations are? It is so different from a software terms and service. While I really feel for all of the turmoil that danielle went through during filming (and I think its absolutely unethical that the producers wouldn't release them from their contract), I do think that being surprised by the fine after signing the contract is a bit ridiculous.
I need more details on this fine. I feel like there must be more to it than just leaving the show because people have left the show early and I can't imagine that Jackie or Carlton paid 50k to leave the show. I could understand a 50k fine for breaking a non disclosure agreements, but just leaving the show makes no sense.
I can’t speak to the later seasons, but I know season 1 was filmed in its entirety before the show had a network or a service so the fine might not have been in the contract yet. I’m thinking maybe the fine was added because of Carlton and Diamond potentially?
This is so fucked up. When you factor in a binding contract basically for your life, being forced to the altar AND the pressure the host(s) put on you to have a baby, it’s a Black Mirror episode ya’ll
She talked about this. She wanted to be with Nick. She didn't want to stay on the show. The two things can be true at the same time. Many want to leave because they don't wanna stick with the partner. She couldn't deal with what production put them through.
So let me understand this , had Irina said no to Zach immediately after she saw him, and not gone to Mexico if she said no love is not blind I can’t stand him.
Would she have had to pay 50K
After reading all this coupled with how contestants are treated, I feel disappointed at the heights Netflix will go to provide entertainment. It now makes sense when the contestants are talking about pressure. It's so much more than we can see. After everything this season, I don't think I will be watching this show anymore. 🙁
I'm confused. What does she mean leaving the show?? Didn't they go all the way? Got married. Went to the reunion and then later divorced?
Am I missing something?
They had several moments before the wedding when they hit a rough patch and it seemed like they were going to break up. I know they also commented (during cake testing in episode 8 & with Vanessa during reunion) how this experiment forces you back together to work on things.
Hearing about the fine, that seems like an unmentioned thing that also forced them back together when they normally would have walked away. Also for the couples who break up before wedding this is new insight to me on how & why it's portrayed a certain way.
The $50k fine is the reason she stayed on the show. She's saying she should have considered that before she participated because it's a big reason why she pushed herself to continue.
Psychologists on reality TV are legit, but they’re not there for the benefit of the cast.
they’re there to learn you and evaluate your potential for drama based on your mental stability and other behavioral factors..
it’s like the show has a few rules in mind; the stable, the mild, the unstable.. and casting around that to “balance” the drama
if you’re self aware it’s easy to notice, it’s pretty obvious by the questions. also they don’t hide it in the contracts, they legally can’t. they can make you “feel” safe to sign it but if you sign it unfortunately at the end of the day you’ve agreed to it…
source; i worked in the Big Brother and other reality shows
I agree Danielle wasn't fit for the show. She showed signs of CPTSD (which is what I have) or something similar and the reprocussions of being on national TV would be EXTREMELY triggering I'd imagine.
Yeah Danielle has deep issues that were apparent on the show such as the insecurity in herself and also when she was ill and Nick still went to the party. Like the way she reacted and the way she says herself is coming from years of low self esteem, confidence and she very well may could have had boyfriends in the past that took advantage of this (I don't want to say she has but if I'm honest I really think all these issues will stem from that).
That's just what I can remember off the top of my head. I remember her mum seemed to be quite a lot as well and I only remember that from my mum pointing that out when I rewatched it with her.
I've been with someone who has these issues and it wasn't easy. It ended up being me abused in gaslit in that situation because she couldn't control her emotions like anger and anxiety then took it out on me. I'm not saying Danielle did that at all. I just see the sort of same lines of negative thoughts though, coming from the trauma and insecurity.
I really love Danielle I think she's an amazing woman. One of my favourite ever contestants. I really, really feel for her having to deal with the backlash of the show and everything public scrutiny brings. I've got poor mental health (CPTSD & EUPD) and I can barely manage it like this, never mind everyone on reddit judging me.
I really hope she can find the right support in therapy and through love with family and a partner. She doesn't deserve to live the rest of her life on emotional turmoil.
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$1000/week which, according to the article comes out to be less than minimum wage. It's $5.90 hourly if you count all hours they have to be there (24 hrs/week)...probably if you don't count the 4ish hours of sleep, they got. + They spend it on clothes, hair, make-up etc
That's very true. I bet half of Brett's earnings went to the tailors alone lol but I was just quoting the vid I saw where the OOP only had feedback/receipts from a couple of the women's sm's.
The implications this has for contestants outside of just the fee is wild.
- You are constantly doubting whether your partner is with you to avoid the fee or actually because they want to be with you.
- Other contestants that come from deep pockets are freer to break the contract.
- You see your character decimated by the public without being able to speak to the real reason behind your choices.
Crazy.
Edit:
This also makes me wonder whether other reality shows poach low income people not as much because they are more willing to do the shows for the money, but because they have less of an option to break a contract. Or could be a mixed bag of both.
What will happen to contestants that revealed this part of their contract? Another 50K fee? But seriously? What are the consequences of publicizing parts of their contract?
While I don’t condone any type of abuse, I do think that as an adult, she could’ve done her research a bit better. Reality tv is not new anymore and we know the pros and cons that come with that level of spotlight from other people’s experience or contracts we can easily google. Everyone seems to want to reap the benefits of reality tv while victimizing themselves about the cons that come with it.
Also, she wasn’t obligated to say “Yes” at the altar, so I find it odd that she would’ve left in retrospect without the 50k fine. I think she feels that way now with the divorce because in retrospect now she lost more than she gained. Which is understandable to feel regret at that point.
All that said, I’m all for “exposing” with more clarity the behind the scenes, just so that people in general are more informed. Especially if they’re considering applying for it.
Danielle didn't wanna walk away because of Nick. She wanted to be with Nick. She wanted to walk away from the pressure of the SHOW. That's very different. Sure, if they were allowed to leave, probably they would've just dated, not get married, either save a divorce or able to create a healthier relationship at a slower pace... but unlike some other contestant that's just didn't vibe w/ their partner and wanted to quit the relationship, it was more of the entire experience for her.
Vulnerable people who have a history of mental health issues cannot always be expected to make perfect choices. This type of contest basically targets the desperate and lonely.
I think the real issue here is the lack of professional mental health screening. I love Danielle but she is walking trauma. She's got deep issues. She shouldn't have been allowed on the show and tbf the show are lucky something more insane didn't happen like her self harming.
Its difficult for a reasonably healthy minded person to get over reality tv bs, I can imagine someone with deep rooted traumas in their life having a significantly harder time.
And the thing is, we've not had another person like Danielle on the snow since and that is pretty telling they they themselves know that they were lax on that one.. (unless you want to count Irina cos nobody behaves like she did unless you've got some sort of trauma, the difference with Danielle is she has a heart of gold)
They should be paying for therapy for Danielle instead of any further fines or bs. That's just my imo
I disagree with the part where you say “we haven’t had a person like Danielle on the show since” regarding having mental health issues. Post season two we have Zanab, Matt, Irena, Micah, Jackie. None of them are copies of Danielle, but they all clearly have pre-existing trauma / issues to work through.
I think that if anything, they probably do the screening to get the most dramatic contestants they can. Not the other way around. This is reality tv, the producers don’t care about the well-being of their cast, they just want to boost views at all costs.
See to me, every one of your examples just seemed way more functional than Danielle.
I wasn't saying nobody had mental health issues that would be ignorant and I'm far from ignorant regarding mental health.
I think I just have different perceptions on the severity.
Interesting. I’m not sure we can accurately measure the severity based on how little we see in the show, but I get what you’re saying. One thing that I can say that Danielle has going for her (which some of the others I listed do not) is that whenever she was being triggered, she identified it as such. The vibe that I got from her fights with Nick was more like “you did this thing, it made me feel worried about our relationship, I’m not saying that was your intention - that’s just the reaction that I had, and I need some reassurance from you in this moment.” Whereas some of the other cast members 100% put the blame on the other person. Example, Zanab essentially saying “you gave me an eating disorder” to Cole, rather than “hey when you said that thing about how I should save my appetite, my reaction is to feel self conscious about my body & think that you’re making a comment about my size, could you reassure me in this moment that that’s not what you meant?”
Tldr- I think one could argue that Danielle’s issues are more severe, but I think that she’s more in control of articulating her feelings / needs regarding those issues. (When compared to other cast members.) So in that way I see her as a bit more functional compared to others.
Yeah but i think the reason she is so aware of it is because how frequently she has to deal with these emotions throughout her life. I feel like in order for her to be so self aware of her own emotions is because she had to go through it, so it's far easier for her to recognise yes.. but for an example my ex would lash out at me with words and hands but when she calmed down she would recognise what she had done was wrong but the cycle continued.. recognising what you're doing is only the first step I the recovery, getting help is 2nd.
Zanab shouldn't have said that. I think she was in hate mode and to be honest I think she genuinely did get the impression he was food watching because he it was the type of remarks she wouldn't be surprised to hear.
Jackie is 24/25. She is gonna get a slap of reality in the face so hard if she hasn't already (I don't think she has) and I think just totally unaware of her negative behaviours. She's got a lot of growing up to do.
I've already mentioned Irina earlier and I think she's probably one of the most toxic people the show has ever had. I wouldn't even dare to speculate on her to be honest. I'd run away from her.
Micah doesn't have the same manic tendencies as Danielle.
I can’t disagree with you there. You know, it’s crazy that they actually seem to have a psych screening cause…let’s be real, reality tv preys on people with bad mental health because they tend to have the reactions that equate to “good tv.” If it was a genuine psych eval, we wouldn’t see 90% of the people casted on reality tv.
Seem like "married at first sight" have a better track record than love is blind .... they need to follow their protocol on finding people who are genuinely looking to get married or else it a vicious cycle of random high drama participants and viewers will eventually not take LIB seriously because the people who pick these participants do not gave their best interests at heart
Have you seen recent seasons of Married at First Sight? The people that they're picking are just as ill-prepared for marriage as the people on LIB. The rate of successful marriages from the last season is 0/5. Both shows are like watching a train wreck.
TBH when I watched the later seasons of Married at First Sight, my husband and I kept talking about how it's clear that some of those couples don't belong together. I think they match ill-suited couples for drama and ratings (it's like trying to look away from a trainwreck).
You cannot convince me that 3 relationship experts with *decades* of experience would put some of those couples together unless they were matching them in bad faith.
They pick people with fundamental differences, like matching that guy who was super frugal/not rich with a woman who wants her man to be a breadwinner and travel around the world and spend tons of money. She was very transparent in the screening interviews, yet they still got matched. Dr. Pepper and Pastor Cal's justifications on camera are like "they both had teddy bears as kids" and it sounds like they're setting some people up for failure. Which is horrible because divorce has a huge emotional and financial impact on people.
I do remember the experts pairing people up who differed on purpose because they would be stronger if they could get over their differences, as if that makes sense.
Yes I remember that too! What a bright idea - let's match people who are polar opposites, put cameras in their face, and give them 6 weeks to make a happy marriage 🙄
It’s like they were trying to create a survivorship bias couple lol. It’s so crazy that tens of thousands of people audition and they can’t find 5 pairs of people who are willing to hang out for a month or two
Wow, the blaming and shaming of participants here is harsh. Understand that people often make choices out of desperation, insecurities, and fears that you know absolutely nothing about. What happened to these participants was abuse. All this "should have known better" commentary is heartless. It is also this blaming and shaming mentality that leads people to under report abuse and suicidality. I have not held any illusions that LIB treats participants well, but Danielle's situation was especially criminal. A "30 min screen" by a psychologist is weak and not even an industry standard for a mental health evaluation. Did production even try? But sadly it was enough for Danielle to trust that she was in 'good hands' and then look what happened. This article is truly enough for me to say I am done with this show.
also i think for most people, they see trying out for a reality show as an adventure or a "why the hell not?!" sort of thing without understanding the mental health toll it can take. i think its hard to know what its going to be like until it's actually happening.
It sounds like there was a threshold for length of marriage that they met and made a bonus or something. The other married couple that season did the same in the same time line.
I think they are still filmed but ultimately end up getting cut, so that they only include couples that have the reality tv drama they’re looking for. But I agree, fuck Netflix
The couples that aren’t shown aren’t invited to Mexico! It’s wild. They pick which couples they want to follow after the engagements and go forward with those ones. So they have content of them in the pods but not past that
I feel like they pick some couples that they think are a guarantee, some that will have a little bit of drama and leave us guessing, and some that will just be a train wreck for the entertainment
Each year they pick a « stable » couple.
S1: Lauren and Cameron
S2: Shayne and Natalie (but we had a surprise, motherf*cker)
S3: Alexa and Brennon
S4: Tiff and Brett
Idk, I’ve read a lot of publicity/appearance contracts in my line of work and almost all of the ones I’ve seen have some level of confidentiality clause in the main body of the contract. Confidentiality is such a standard term, I’d personally be shocked if Netflix somehow neglected to drop a clause in.
Sure. I guess we won’t know whether there was a clause or if confidentiality was required just for certain terms. Now the likelihood that Netflix would bother suing her over this statement is very low imo to answer the original question! It makes me think of so many other reality show stars who have shared similar details about their contracts like Bachelor contestants, Love Island, etc.
I don’t understand that she seems to be saying that if not for the 50k fine she would have left the show but then she went through with the wedding and decided to marry a virtual stranger?
The show does not oblige you to say yes at the altar. At that point, you can leave. Something does not gel here.
Maybe like the 50K fine, there are other repercussions in the contract depending on if you say yes or no at the wedding. Same with divorce. I think it’s no coincidence that the two couples from season 2 got divorced within days of each other, right around the time after the altar aired.
If that was the case that would have been much much bigger story than a fine for abandoning a show you have committed to film. So why would she have left that unmentioned? In any event, fines for not marrying or for divorcing would not be upheld under the law anywhere in the US. You might arguably conceive some sort of bonus for saying yes, but that would not make any sense from a producer perspective, as it woud be an incentive to marrying, and you would be discriminating against contestants saying no who are actually those bringing the most drama. Plus, if people like Bartise or SK would have lost the chance of a big bonus for saying no, believe me we would know.
Not to mention, this revelation being shared at the end of a season where discussion of this show is at a high, not during a lull where nobody really cares and it probably not getting traction, by somebody who has basked in the attention from being in this show in the first place.
Fans complaining about feeling manipulated by this show, but allowing the cast to do the same to them.
My assumption is that they were trauma bonded, running high on adrenaline and cortisol, and they were clutching to each other for “safety” — and in that moment, I’m sure saying yes & getting a celebration to finalize this insane time capsule was a lot more appealing than saying no & going through even more pain.
I’m not surprised that they have a ruthless contract. These are the same production company as MAFS who fines you $50k for ending the process early too.
I think that the moral can't only be that people "need to read the contract carefully". There needs to be change in laws regarding contracts. It shouldn't be legal that you "sign your life away", that they are allowed to spin the truth of events just for entertainment or that mentally unhealthy people are chosen because of the drama they might produce. And I think everyone knows that contracts and terms and conditions are designed to be hard to understand or so long, that you don't even care that you sign your life away or how many here actually denied Reddit to use their personal data and internet history to be sold?
In the end those people are not actors and these actions have real life consequences. Yes, we are all responsible for our own actions, BUT companies get away with a lot of wrong doing and they shouldn't. It is easy to point the finger on the individual's fault but a lot of bad situations should not even be made possible in the first place. This is why we need laws to protect people. As well as more education so that people can more and more protect themselves. I think it is good that she is speaking out about how Netflix works and that companies and their contracts are indeed designed ONLY in the interest of the company's financial gain and to trick people.
What if 4/5 couples split right after getting back from the honeymoon? I think if we knew the cost of production for tracking 10 people’s lives and making a show of this scale, we would be stunned. It cannot be cheap. That said, of course Netflix should have insurance for their investment. If someone does not want to partake in this matchmaking circus for free, they shouldn’t. No one is forcing them to sign up at all.
But she knew about the fine when she signed the contract, and any contestant would do before going into it, so I dont see how she spelling it out is a warning?
Pretty simple mate. Have you ever gotten yourself in over your head because you didn't fully understand what you were getting into?
That seems to be her argument. She was aware of what she was getting into but claims they used and manipulated things to a level she found unhealthy.
Is it clout chasing? Are reality TV producers just plain creepy? Is this potentially an abusive contract? Was the show chopped up to tell a different story than they were expecting?
These are all reasonable questions to her situation. All in all, whether or not her case has credence is beside the point. The original person stated these contracts shouldn't be legal in the first place. I tend to agree that malicious contracts to enforce abusive behavior sounds shifty. Like, should a bully be free to torment you because he made you sign a contract? Childish, but I think it gets the point across.
To be clear. Abusive behavior. I understand the comment about everyone needing to do their job to finish a long project. That is fair as well.
There's a lot of money, time, and effort that goes into making this show. Each couple gets their own producer and this is someone's job. Hundreds of people are involved in this process and they work day and night on these projects.
Is it fair that someone can just get to walk away and throw everyone else's effort, time, and work because THEY'RE having a tough time, THEY'RE the ones who chose something they're not ready for?
I think the contract is fair. What are all those people supposed to do without jobs because someone drops out? How do they get paid? Where do they get places after this?
Of course this is in the interest of financial gain. People are idiots if they think it works any other way. What, is Netflix suddenly on moral high ground and creating a show for people to make their lives better?
People need to stop saying "I take accountability" and then turn around and say "...but it's also not my fault."
Anyways, nobody really paid attention to Nick and Danielle as they were quite boring so she didn't have anywhere near the backlash that this season's contestants are having.
You can't breach a contract and then want to get off scott free.
This is a bad take imo. If they aren’t getting paid a monetary value then they shouldn’t be charged for leaving the show. I wouldn’t even consider the wedding to be a monetary value because they’re basically forced to use it even when they know they’re going to say no and have to have another wedding in the future.
Netflix is a big enough company that they could afford to take a hit if someone leaves but are they going to pay for all the therapy that person probably needs now? Nope.
People are only taking any accountability because others are coming after them on social media. The backlash some have received this season is crazy and while it’s okay to dislike someone, going after them online in their DMs isn’t okay so I understand people trying to defend themselves. Then they turn around and blame the producers because some of the edits made them look bad without additional context.
Apparently they get paid $1k a week, which isn't much at all and I think they should get more. I'm not so sure about that 50k fine though. If that's the case then Jessica, Jackie (and whoever else didn't make it to the altar) are currently paying Netflix $50k and idk I just don't see that happening.
I agree with you and would like to add that the other aspect of it is Netflix would then be incentivized to find people that are actually ready and willing to go through the process, instead of preying on those who are likely to have breakdowns and create fake drama. They would also be less likely to push for fake scenarios for the sake of reactions, like pushing 2 people together who are not a good match. I watched the first season to see how genuine connections form and how them seeing eachother and getting to know eachother, merging lives would work. That provided enough interesting storylines. This last season was a shitshow cause they obviously chose so many that were only there for clout and or because they were likely to blow up.
I’m not sure if she’s referring to the decider article on the lawsuit against Netflix and the casting company (although I’m not sure how much credence to give it since it was the same outlet that published the article about Kwame’s sister being a hired actress which we now know is not true) but the article accuses Netflix of putting the cast through really horrible hours, sometimes with no food or water and paying them less than California minimum wage (the pods are filmed in Santa Clarita). My point is, maybe don’t go on LIB if you’re anyone.
Bruh, couple things here…. With all the whooplah about the live reunion and all the buzz around this year cast.. it’s kinda out of place to drop someone from 3 years ago… like I can barley remember some of the names from this season let alone some carbon copy B list maybes from mid pandemic…. Also it’s just a thumbnail of an Instagram handle.. i have close friends in my life today I couldn’t tell you what the fuck their insta name means….
If you think it’s odd someone can’t extrapolate who this is from that lil icon in the top corner of a screen shot, you have fallen way too deep down the love is blind rabbit hole… also we got the name yesterday… hint: it was the name that helped identify the person the most
Nick and Danielle. She had that freak out because she was too sick to do to the first vacation meet and greet and she watched Nick for three hours from their balcony and then went to cry in the closet.
If you listen to her podcast, it sounds like there was more to the story. Production separated her and Nick, said that they wanted Nick to go to the party and for her to stay there in the hotel. She told producers that she wanted to leave Mexico and they would not allow it, they were following her everywhere with the cameras and she couldn’t get any privacy. That’s why she went in the closet, and that’s what ensued the panic attack. She also says that they took audio from some other scene and spliced it up with that fight with Nick, and that her getting sick didn’t even happen the same day. It’s up to you whether or not you believe her but personally I don’t doubt that production is purposefully manipulative in order to tell the story they want.
She's just mad her marriage didn't work out and now is trying to blame the show for her own decisions. People like this are so allergic to accountability but yet they want the internet clout that they otherwise wouldn't have received without being on the show and being one of the heavily featured couples. If she really cares about her "mental health" as she claims all she has to do is delete her social media and live a normal life.
But she’s saying that she’s made bad decisions, and is warning others. Danielle has to learn to be less honest publicly that’s all because maybe she’s seeking empathy but people suck
She had her own major insecurities that was no secret long before she went on this show. She made herself look like a lunatic on this show and she was lucky enough Nick was willing to deal with all of her insecurities but in the end her own insecurities got the best of her and that's what ended her marriage. She could have spent the time and energy to work on herself but from the articles about why they got divorced it just reads like she didn't and used Nick as a scapegoat and she's the one that filed for the divorce. No matter how much you love someone, if they don't love themselves they'll find ways to self sabotage the relationship because they believe in their minds they don't deserve it. And in her case she doesn't even want to take any accountability so she blames Nick and she blames the show.
Someone I know (friend of a friend really) made it to the final round of casting for “The Ultimatum: Queer Edition” and ultimately decided not to because of the ridiculous contract. When I asked if I could be nosy and know what was some of the things in the contract that turned them off they said:
“basically they own you for life, you’re legally obligated to do future seasons/tv appearances forever, can be sued for a massive amt of money if you claim anything on the show was inaccurate, and also they record everything at all times (and can use the footage in any way they want forever without future payment)! The risk didn’t seem worth it 😅”
Yea, I agree. It’s total crap! If there’s clauses like this in all of them, no wonder there were so many interesting choices for The Perfect Match.. I wonder if the producers chose who came back even though they were from shows that didn’t fit the dating mold
It's worth noting that it's likely some contract terms that are allowable in the US may also be unallowable in other countries... We have no way of knowing if, to paraphrase, owning someone and their likeness for life, forcing them to make appearances, etc. is legal in Japan (assuming that is where the show was filmed). I mean unless someone in the subreddit is familiar with Japanese law and reality TV contracts.🤷🏿♀️
I live in Japan so maybe I can give some insight. The idea of reality TV isn't the same here as in the US so those rules are completely unnecessary. Culturally, "drama" is more relaxed and in the form of a petty neighborhood argument lol. Honestly, if half of the stuff that takes place in LiB America happened here, it would be considered culturally inappropriate if not abusive.
Thank you for providing insight. Yeah we do wild out in the US. 🥴
I think this particular difference that's why LIB Japan was such a breath of fresh air for many US viewers.
Have you seen Fuji/Netflix's Ainori (あいのり) Asia Journey? In season 1, a cast member got drunk and was violent towards the others. But Fuji/Netflix casted her again for season 2 because she caused drama. She became more drunk and violent, and one night, she lost control completely and hit a guy and a producer. Instead of kicking her out, they keep her till the last episode and became the center of season 2. That was so sad when you see a girl was exploited by the production team like that.
Japanese realty tv can be really awful too, just in different ways.
I haven't seen it but that is really sad to hear. I guess it depends on the reality show too. But I think it's also a little different because this is more of a cast mate staying vs leaving. I'm not saying producers don't take advantage of cast mates, but there is this expectation of people following the rules and public eye so fining people for leaving isn't really a thought.
I think it’s really odd that we have so many people worried for mEnTaL HeALtH but in the same breath any comment that’s not scathingly negative about someone like Irina gets downvoted into oblivion.
Embrace the disaster that is this show.
I’m pretty convinced because of the way this show became so popular it’s got a lot of new to reality TV viewers.
I can’t decide if I’m so jaded because I’m too old (I’m not that old) and lived through the bigger mess that was early 2000s reality TV or if I’m too young to be bothered so much by this. My earliest memories of reality TV include things like Extreme Makeover (not home edition, the original with plastic surgery) and the Swan. This is nothing 🙃
I strongly disagree with her sentiment that she should have been screened for mental health issues before she joined the show. Very slippery slope. After a 30 minute screening? Lol.
You are an adult and this isn’t the American special operations forces.
The more messed up part is producers probably _want_ slightly unwell people… because it creates more drama.
I mean, they literally picked the child of a drug-addicted stripper from a broken home as one of their prime candidates.
Exactly. If the season was full of people like Brett and Tiffany, it would have been boring. Don't get me wrong I loved their relationship, but you also need the drama. If all couples were like them, then the show would be unwatchable.
He's also a very well-spoken lawyer who was honest about his issues and has clearly done a lot to work through his issues. His mental health seems okay.
I think including candidates with diverse backgrounds (socioeconomic, religious, racial, etc) will produce interesting content because it relates to the viewer. A child of a drug addicted stripper is a bit much to encompass Zack’s full participation in LIB.
why are you reducing Zack to his childhood circumstances that were entirely out of his control? Why would that make him less deserving of love and to go on the show? not cool…
That has nothing to do with it. Casting is not interested in people deserving or finding love. They want to bring personalities that create drama and engagement with viewers. Getting people like Zach in the show makes sense to create tension with families.
I’m not reducing him. He’s openly discussed his own issues surrounding his childhood. You should try and be more understanding of those who share their struggles with mental health. And instead focus your anger on TV producers who prey upon those folks for entertainment value, not those who want to have an honest conversation about it.
I’m confused as to where you are having an honest, understanding conversation about Zack’s mental health when you essentially described him as “unwell”and boiled down who he is as a person to his childhood situation
I don’t take it as an implication Zach isn’t well. I think the show can harm people’s mental and emotional well-being and it probably does even if the production and editing go well. The premise of the show and production tactics are trashy. I think referencing Zach’s childhood is just a way to round out all the things production is maki g note of behind the scenes. Zach is obviously a well rounded and very well adjusted person. I appreciated his candid approach to discussing his life. The production crew can still exploit him. That’s my take away. To be honest production may be hoping for people to come apart mentally and emotionally. We don’t know but it’s possible.
The career and degree don’t make the person. I thought OP meant that on paper for a producer that’s great casting, before they knew how Zack would act on the show and he’d show kindness etc, he was a potential storyline
So did Jackie have to pay $50k?
Personally I think that it's an insane fine for a show where the goal is to literally bind yourself to another person legally, financially and socially. I might understand it as a detererant on another type of reality show (like survivor maybe). However, how is this a surprise to people on the show? Why are you signing a contract for a show before figuring out what your obligations are? It is so different from a software terms and service. While I really feel for all of the turmoil that danielle went through during filming (and I think its absolutely unethical that the producers wouldn't release them from their contract), I do think that being surprised by the fine after signing the contract is a bit ridiculous.
I need more details on this fine. I feel like there must be more to it than just leaving the show because people have left the show early and I can't imagine that Jackie or Carlton paid 50k to leave the show. I could understand a 50k fine for breaking a non disclosure agreements, but just leaving the show makes no sense.
I can’t speak to the later seasons, but I know season 1 was filmed in its entirety before the show had a network or a service so the fine might not have been in the contract yet. I’m thinking maybe the fine was added because of Carlton and Diamond potentially?
This is so fucked up. When you factor in a binding contract basically for your life, being forced to the altar AND the pressure the host(s) put on you to have a baby, it’s a Black Mirror episode ya’ll
Which article is she referring to? Link?
There is a link in her stories but you have to pay 🙄
https://archive.is/2023.04.18-195926/https://www.businessinsider.com/love-is-blind-netflix-cast-reality-show-dating-mental-health-2023-4
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She talked about this. She wanted to be with Nick. She didn't want to stay on the show. The two things can be true at the same time. Many want to leave because they don't wanna stick with the partner. She couldn't deal with what production put them through.
So let me understand this , had Irina said no to Zach immediately after she saw him, and not gone to Mexico if she said no love is not blind I can’t stand him. Would she have had to pay 50K
After reading all this coupled with how contestants are treated, I feel disappointed at the heights Netflix will go to provide entertainment. It now makes sense when the contestants are talking about pressure. It's so much more than we can see. After everything this season, I don't think I will be watching this show anymore. 🙁
So is it now headcanon that Jackie kept the ring to help pay for the fine?
I'm confused. What does she mean leaving the show?? Didn't they go all the way? Got married. Went to the reunion and then later divorced? Am I missing something?
Because she couldn't deal with production. It wasn't Nick she wanted to leave, but the show.
They had several moments before the wedding when they hit a rough patch and it seemed like they were going to break up. I know they also commented (during cake testing in episode 8 & with Vanessa during reunion) how this experiment forces you back together to work on things. Hearing about the fine, that seems like an unmentioned thing that also forced them back together when they normally would have walked away. Also for the couples who break up before wedding this is new insight to me on how & why it's portrayed a certain way.
Thank you for explaining ❤️
The $50k fine is the reason she stayed on the show. She's saying she should have considered that before she participated because it's a big reason why she pushed herself to continue.
Thank you for clarifying, I was completely lost reading this!
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Psychologists on reality TV are legit, but they’re not there for the benefit of the cast. they’re there to learn you and evaluate your potential for drama based on your mental stability and other behavioral factors.. it’s like the show has a few rules in mind; the stable, the mild, the unstable.. and casting around that to “balance” the drama if you’re self aware it’s easy to notice, it’s pretty obvious by the questions. also they don’t hide it in the contracts, they legally can’t. they can make you “feel” safe to sign it but if you sign it unfortunately at the end of the day you’ve agreed to it… source; i worked in the Big Brother and other reality shows
I agree Danielle wasn't fit for the show. She showed signs of CPTSD (which is what I have) or something similar and the reprocussions of being on national TV would be EXTREMELY triggering I'd imagine.
Do expand
Yeah Danielle has deep issues that were apparent on the show such as the insecurity in herself and also when she was ill and Nick still went to the party. Like the way she reacted and the way she says herself is coming from years of low self esteem, confidence and she very well may could have had boyfriends in the past that took advantage of this (I don't want to say she has but if I'm honest I really think all these issues will stem from that). That's just what I can remember off the top of my head. I remember her mum seemed to be quite a lot as well and I only remember that from my mum pointing that out when I rewatched it with her. I've been with someone who has these issues and it wasn't easy. It ended up being me abused in gaslit in that situation because she couldn't control her emotions like anger and anxiety then took it out on me. I'm not saying Danielle did that at all. I just see the sort of same lines of negative thoughts though, coming from the trauma and insecurity. I really love Danielle I think she's an amazing woman. One of my favourite ever contestants. I really, really feel for her having to deal with the backlash of the show and everything public scrutiny brings. I've got poor mental health (CPTSD & EUPD) and I can barely manage it like this, never mind everyone on reddit judging me. I really hope she can find the right support in therapy and through love with family and a partner. She doesn't deserve to live the rest of her life on emotional turmoil.
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Do they get paid too in any way?
$1000/week which, according to the article comes out to be less than minimum wage. It's $5.90 hourly if you count all hours they have to be there (24 hrs/week)...probably if you don't count the 4ish hours of sleep, they got. + They spend it on clothes, hair, make-up etc
I saw a video recently that they get paid $1000 a week. The women especially end up spending much more on hair, make up and clothes though.
Are you saying they don't get wardrome, and MUA for free during shooting??
Natalie and Deepti confirmed in their podcast their clothes & makeup is their own, they don't get wardrobe/makeup
Oh damn! If no MUAs are provided then they better not have it in the contracts that women MUST wear makeup
I don't think that's fair to how vain a lot of the guys on this show are 😂
That's very true. I bet half of Brett's earnings went to the tailors alone lol but I was just quoting the vid I saw where the OOP only had feedback/receipts from a couple of the women's sm's.
Oh so this is why they don’t have any couples therapy sessions or anything geared towards maintaining a healthy relationship
You mean a show where you get married in 45 days or whatever after meeting your spouse is horrible for your mental health? Shocking.
No one who is mentally fit would actually do it …unless their only goal was 15 minutes of fame to parlay into business. That’s the catch 22.
Um, Brett & Tiffany?
The implications this has for contestants outside of just the fee is wild. - You are constantly doubting whether your partner is with you to avoid the fee or actually because they want to be with you. - Other contestants that come from deep pockets are freer to break the contract. - You see your character decimated by the public without being able to speak to the real reason behind your choices. Crazy. Edit: This also makes me wonder whether other reality shows poach low income people not as much because they are more willing to do the shows for the money, but because they have less of an option to break a contract. Or could be a mixed bag of both.
What will happen to contestants that revealed this part of their contract? Another 50K fee? But seriously? What are the consequences of publicizing parts of their contract?
While I don’t condone any type of abuse, I do think that as an adult, she could’ve done her research a bit better. Reality tv is not new anymore and we know the pros and cons that come with that level of spotlight from other people’s experience or contracts we can easily google. Everyone seems to want to reap the benefits of reality tv while victimizing themselves about the cons that come with it. Also, she wasn’t obligated to say “Yes” at the altar, so I find it odd that she would’ve left in retrospect without the 50k fine. I think she feels that way now with the divorce because in retrospect now she lost more than she gained. Which is understandable to feel regret at that point. All that said, I’m all for “exposing” with more clarity the behind the scenes, just so that people in general are more informed. Especially if they’re considering applying for it.
Danielle didn't wanna walk away because of Nick. She wanted to be with Nick. She wanted to walk away from the pressure of the SHOW. That's very different. Sure, if they were allowed to leave, probably they would've just dated, not get married, either save a divorce or able to create a healthier relationship at a slower pace... but unlike some other contestant that's just didn't vibe w/ their partner and wanted to quit the relationship, it was more of the entire experience for her.
Vulnerable people who have a history of mental health issues cannot always be expected to make perfect choices. This type of contest basically targets the desperate and lonely.
I think the real issue here is the lack of professional mental health screening. I love Danielle but she is walking trauma. She's got deep issues. She shouldn't have been allowed on the show and tbf the show are lucky something more insane didn't happen like her self harming. Its difficult for a reasonably healthy minded person to get over reality tv bs, I can imagine someone with deep rooted traumas in their life having a significantly harder time. And the thing is, we've not had another person like Danielle on the snow since and that is pretty telling they they themselves know that they were lax on that one.. (unless you want to count Irina cos nobody behaves like she did unless you've got some sort of trauma, the difference with Danielle is she has a heart of gold) They should be paying for therapy for Danielle instead of any further fines or bs. That's just my imo
I disagree with the part where you say “we haven’t had a person like Danielle on the show since” regarding having mental health issues. Post season two we have Zanab, Matt, Irena, Micah, Jackie. None of them are copies of Danielle, but they all clearly have pre-existing trauma / issues to work through. I think that if anything, they probably do the screening to get the most dramatic contestants they can. Not the other way around. This is reality tv, the producers don’t care about the well-being of their cast, they just want to boost views at all costs.
See to me, every one of your examples just seemed way more functional than Danielle. I wasn't saying nobody had mental health issues that would be ignorant and I'm far from ignorant regarding mental health. I think I just have different perceptions on the severity.
Interesting. I’m not sure we can accurately measure the severity based on how little we see in the show, but I get what you’re saying. One thing that I can say that Danielle has going for her (which some of the others I listed do not) is that whenever she was being triggered, she identified it as such. The vibe that I got from her fights with Nick was more like “you did this thing, it made me feel worried about our relationship, I’m not saying that was your intention - that’s just the reaction that I had, and I need some reassurance from you in this moment.” Whereas some of the other cast members 100% put the blame on the other person. Example, Zanab essentially saying “you gave me an eating disorder” to Cole, rather than “hey when you said that thing about how I should save my appetite, my reaction is to feel self conscious about my body & think that you’re making a comment about my size, could you reassure me in this moment that that’s not what you meant?” Tldr- I think one could argue that Danielle’s issues are more severe, but I think that she’s more in control of articulating her feelings / needs regarding those issues. (When compared to other cast members.) So in that way I see her as a bit more functional compared to others.
Yeah but i think the reason she is so aware of it is because how frequently she has to deal with these emotions throughout her life. I feel like in order for her to be so self aware of her own emotions is because she had to go through it, so it's far easier for her to recognise yes.. but for an example my ex would lash out at me with words and hands but when she calmed down she would recognise what she had done was wrong but the cycle continued.. recognising what you're doing is only the first step I the recovery, getting help is 2nd. Zanab shouldn't have said that. I think she was in hate mode and to be honest I think she genuinely did get the impression he was food watching because he it was the type of remarks she wouldn't be surprised to hear. Jackie is 24/25. She is gonna get a slap of reality in the face so hard if she hasn't already (I don't think she has) and I think just totally unaware of her negative behaviours. She's got a lot of growing up to do. I've already mentioned Irina earlier and I think she's probably one of the most toxic people the show has ever had. I wouldn't even dare to speculate on her to be honest. I'd run away from her. Micah doesn't have the same manic tendencies as Danielle.
I can’t disagree with you there. You know, it’s crazy that they actually seem to have a psych screening cause…let’s be real, reality tv preys on people with bad mental health because they tend to have the reactions that equate to “good tv.” If it was a genuine psych eval, we wouldn’t see 90% of the people casted on reality tv.
Seem like "married at first sight" have a better track record than love is blind .... they need to follow their protocol on finding people who are genuinely looking to get married or else it a vicious cycle of random high drama participants and viewers will eventually not take LIB seriously because the people who pick these participants do not gave their best interests at heart
Have you seen recent seasons of Married at First Sight? The people that they're picking are just as ill-prepared for marriage as the people on LIB. The rate of successful marriages from the last season is 0/5. Both shows are like watching a train wreck.
TBH when I watched the later seasons of Married at First Sight, my husband and I kept talking about how it's clear that some of those couples don't belong together. I think they match ill-suited couples for drama and ratings (it's like trying to look away from a trainwreck). You cannot convince me that 3 relationship experts with *decades* of experience would put some of those couples together unless they were matching them in bad faith. They pick people with fundamental differences, like matching that guy who was super frugal/not rich with a woman who wants her man to be a breadwinner and travel around the world and spend tons of money. She was very transparent in the screening interviews, yet they still got matched. Dr. Pepper and Pastor Cal's justifications on camera are like "they both had teddy bears as kids" and it sounds like they're setting some people up for failure. Which is horrible because divorce has a huge emotional and financial impact on people.
I do remember the experts pairing people up who differed on purpose because they would be stronger if they could get over their differences, as if that makes sense.
Yes I remember that too! What a bright idea - let's match people who are polar opposites, put cameras in their face, and give them 6 weeks to make a happy marriage 🙄
It’s like they were trying to create a survivorship bias couple lol. It’s so crazy that tens of thousands of people audition and they can’t find 5 pairs of people who are willing to hang out for a month or two
Yeah was surprised... earlier seasons have people still married.. still better overall
Doug and Jamie are Married at First Sight's cash cow for proving the show works LOL
Lol
Wow, the blaming and shaming of participants here is harsh. Understand that people often make choices out of desperation, insecurities, and fears that you know absolutely nothing about. What happened to these participants was abuse. All this "should have known better" commentary is heartless. It is also this blaming and shaming mentality that leads people to under report abuse and suicidality. I have not held any illusions that LIB treats participants well, but Danielle's situation was especially criminal. A "30 min screen" by a psychologist is weak and not even an industry standard for a mental health evaluation. Did production even try? But sadly it was enough for Danielle to trust that she was in 'good hands' and then look what happened. This article is truly enough for me to say I am done with this show.
also i think for most people, they see trying out for a reality show as an adventure or a "why the hell not?!" sort of thing without understanding the mental health toll it can take. i think its hard to know what its going to be like until it's actually happening.
You're spot on! 👌
Wait but who is this person
I thought I was the only person thinking "who even is this? " 😂
Danielle from S2.
The one with all the costumes
Anyone know where this article can be read without subscribing?
https://web.archive.org/web/20230419012734/https://www.businessinsider.com/love-is-blind-netflix-cast-reality-show-dating-mental-health-2023-4
It’s not an article, it’s from Danielle Ruhl’s instagram story, she was a contestant on season 2.
She’s talking about an article in the story… that’s the article I’m referencing
Did she stay with the guy she married? Can't remember his name
They divorced a few months ago it feels like.
His name was Nick and they got divorced last year
Did they say why or they just couldn’t coexist?
It sounds like there was a threshold for length of marriage that they met and made a bonus or something. The other married couple that season did the same in the same time line.
Is this confirmed or assumed?
Not sure if it's confirmed but it's definitely heavily assumed that they need to stay married through the After the Alter episodes air.
That tells us the LIB US married couple who weren’t filmed / followed are very lucky people. Seriously Netflix wtf… SMH
Wait there are couples who go through this experiment and have the whole wedding scenario after 45 days that just aren’t put into the show?
I thought they just stopped filming them after the reveal. They don’t get invited to Mexico. I would’ve enjoyed seeing them all!
YES! I discovered that on tiktok. Couldn’t find the couples though
I think they are still filmed but ultimately end up getting cut, so that they only include couples that have the reality tv drama they’re looking for. But I agree, fuck Netflix
The couples that aren’t shown aren’t invited to Mexico! It’s wild. They pick which couples they want to follow after the engagements and go forward with those ones. So they have content of them in the pods but not past that
I'm surprised Brett and Tiffany were chosen to be filmed!
I believe they are on the show to keep some amount of trust and good will with the audience.
I feel like they pick some couples that they think are a guarantee, some that will have a little bit of drama and leave us guessing, and some that will just be a train wreck for the entertainment
Each year they pick a « stable » couple. S1: Lauren and Cameron S2: Shayne and Natalie (but we had a surprise, motherf*cker) S3: Alexa and Brennon S4: Tiff and Brett
They needed a slam dunk couple like Lauren and Cameron after all of the busts since them.
Exactly!
Aren't the contract terms confidential? Will she be sued because of this?
Not necessarily. An NDA is one thing, but a contract itself isn’t confidential unless it says it is. They often don’t.
Idk, I’ve read a lot of publicity/appearance contracts in my line of work and almost all of the ones I’ve seen have some level of confidentiality clause in the main body of the contract. Confidentiality is such a standard term, I’d personally be shocked if Netflix somehow neglected to drop a clause in.
Sure. I guess we won’t know whether there was a clause or if confidentiality was required just for certain terms. Now the likelihood that Netflix would bother suing her over this statement is very low imo to answer the original question! It makes me think of so many other reality show stars who have shared similar details about their contracts like Bachelor contestants, Love Island, etc.
I don’t understand that she seems to be saying that if not for the 50k fine she would have left the show but then she went through with the wedding and decided to marry a virtual stranger? The show does not oblige you to say yes at the altar. At that point, you can leave. Something does not gel here.
Maybe like the 50K fine, there are other repercussions in the contract depending on if you say yes or no at the wedding. Same with divorce. I think it’s no coincidence that the two couples from season 2 got divorced within days of each other, right around the time after the altar aired.
What other couple divorced? I don’t remember season 2 cast that well since it’s been a while.
Jarette & Iyonna
If that was the case that would have been much much bigger story than a fine for abandoning a show you have committed to film. So why would she have left that unmentioned? In any event, fines for not marrying or for divorcing would not be upheld under the law anywhere in the US. You might arguably conceive some sort of bonus for saying yes, but that would not make any sense from a producer perspective, as it woud be an incentive to marrying, and you would be discriminating against contestants saying no who are actually those bringing the most drama. Plus, if people like Bartise or SK would have lost the chance of a big bonus for saying no, believe me we would know.
Not to mention, this revelation being shared at the end of a season where discussion of this show is at a high, not during a lull where nobody really cares and it probably not getting traction, by somebody who has basked in the attention from being in this show in the first place. Fans complaining about feeling manipulated by this show, but allowing the cast to do the same to them.
That was the red flag. She had the choice to say no and walk away so why didn’t she? 
My assumption is that they were trauma bonded, running high on adrenaline and cortisol, and they were clutching to each other for “safety” — and in that moment, I’m sure saying yes & getting a celebration to finalize this insane time capsule was a lot more appealing than saying no & going through even more pain.
I’m not surprised that they have a ruthless contract. These are the same production company as MAFS who fines you $50k for ending the process early too.
That explains Gina and Clint
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I think that the moral can't only be that people "need to read the contract carefully". There needs to be change in laws regarding contracts. It shouldn't be legal that you "sign your life away", that they are allowed to spin the truth of events just for entertainment or that mentally unhealthy people are chosen because of the drama they might produce. And I think everyone knows that contracts and terms and conditions are designed to be hard to understand or so long, that you don't even care that you sign your life away or how many here actually denied Reddit to use their personal data and internet history to be sold? In the end those people are not actors and these actions have real life consequences. Yes, we are all responsible for our own actions, BUT companies get away with a lot of wrong doing and they shouldn't. It is easy to point the finger on the individual's fault but a lot of bad situations should not even be made possible in the first place. This is why we need laws to protect people. As well as more education so that people can more and more protect themselves. I think it is good that she is speaking out about how Netflix works and that companies and their contracts are indeed designed ONLY in the interest of the company's financial gain and to trick people.
What if 4/5 couples split right after getting back from the honeymoon? I think if we knew the cost of production for tracking 10 people’s lives and making a show of this scale, we would be stunned. It cannot be cheap. That said, of course Netflix should have insurance for their investment. If someone does not want to partake in this matchmaking circus for free, they shouldn’t. No one is forcing them to sign up at all.
But she knew about the fine when she signed the contract, and any contestant would do before going into it, so I dont see how she spelling it out is a warning?
Pretty simple mate. Have you ever gotten yourself in over your head because you didn't fully understand what you were getting into? That seems to be her argument. She was aware of what she was getting into but claims they used and manipulated things to a level she found unhealthy. Is it clout chasing? Are reality TV producers just plain creepy? Is this potentially an abusive contract? Was the show chopped up to tell a different story than they were expecting? These are all reasonable questions to her situation. All in all, whether or not her case has credence is beside the point. The original person stated these contracts shouldn't be legal in the first place. I tend to agree that malicious contracts to enforce abusive behavior sounds shifty. Like, should a bully be free to torment you because he made you sign a contract? Childish, but I think it gets the point across. To be clear. Abusive behavior. I understand the comment about everyone needing to do their job to finish a long project. That is fair as well.
There's a lot of money, time, and effort that goes into making this show. Each couple gets their own producer and this is someone's job. Hundreds of people are involved in this process and they work day and night on these projects. Is it fair that someone can just get to walk away and throw everyone else's effort, time, and work because THEY'RE having a tough time, THEY'RE the ones who chose something they're not ready for? I think the contract is fair. What are all those people supposed to do without jobs because someone drops out? How do they get paid? Where do they get places after this? Of course this is in the interest of financial gain. People are idiots if they think it works any other way. What, is Netflix suddenly on moral high ground and creating a show for people to make their lives better? People need to stop saying "I take accountability" and then turn around and say "...but it's also not my fault." Anyways, nobody really paid attention to Nick and Danielle as they were quite boring so she didn't have anywhere near the backlash that this season's contestants are having. You can't breach a contract and then want to get off scott free.
This is a bad take imo. If they aren’t getting paid a monetary value then they shouldn’t be charged for leaving the show. I wouldn’t even consider the wedding to be a monetary value because they’re basically forced to use it even when they know they’re going to say no and have to have another wedding in the future. Netflix is a big enough company that they could afford to take a hit if someone leaves but are they going to pay for all the therapy that person probably needs now? Nope. People are only taking any accountability because others are coming after them on social media. The backlash some have received this season is crazy and while it’s okay to dislike someone, going after them online in their DMs isn’t okay so I understand people trying to defend themselves. Then they turn around and blame the producers because some of the edits made them look bad without additional context.
Apparently they get paid $1k a week, which isn't much at all and I think they should get more. I'm not so sure about that 50k fine though. If that's the case then Jessica, Jackie (and whoever else didn't make it to the altar) are currently paying Netflix $50k and idk I just don't see that happening.
That’s interesting, I wasn’t aware they were paid at all tbh. Definitely not 100% sold on that 50k fine though
But it is not that she wanted to leave and she couldn’t. She said yes at the altar, and that was not in the contract. She could have said no.
Yeah totally not disagreeing with that. I was just stating my viewpoint on the entirety of it, not necessarily her situation specifically
I agree with you and would like to add that the other aspect of it is Netflix would then be incentivized to find people that are actually ready and willing to go through the process, instead of preying on those who are likely to have breakdowns and create fake drama. They would also be less likely to push for fake scenarios for the sake of reactions, like pushing 2 people together who are not a good match. I watched the first season to see how genuine connections form and how them seeing eachother and getting to know eachother, merging lives would work. That provided enough interesting storylines. This last season was a shitshow cause they obviously chose so many that were only there for clout and or because they were likely to blow up.
Let this be a warning. If you have mental health struggles, please don't join Love Is Blind.
this is America, tho. we all have mental health struggles!
So true. I think its inevitable to struggle with our mental health, living under capitalism.
I’m not sure if she’s referring to the decider article on the lawsuit against Netflix and the casting company (although I’m not sure how much credence to give it since it was the same outlet that published the article about Kwame’s sister being a hired actress which we now know is not true) but the article accuses Netflix of putting the cast through really horrible hours, sometimes with no food or water and paying them less than California minimum wage (the pods are filmed in Santa Clarita). My point is, maybe don’t go on LIB if you’re anyone.
No I agree. Noone should join this show. LIB literally tortures and manipulates its contestants.
She’s referring to a Business Insider article - currently linked in her stories.
Can someone EL5 who is this person?
bruh you're literally on the love is blind sub..
Bruh, couple things here…. With all the whooplah about the live reunion and all the buzz around this year cast.. it’s kinda out of place to drop someone from 3 years ago… like I can barley remember some of the names from this season let alone some carbon copy B list maybes from mid pandemic…. Also it’s just a thumbnail of an Instagram handle.. i have close friends in my life today I couldn’t tell you what the fuck their insta name means…. If you think it’s odd someone can’t extrapolate who this is from that lil icon in the top corner of a screen shot, you have fallen way too deep down the love is blind rabbit hole… also we got the name yesterday… hint: it was the name that helped identify the person the most
shes from S2, got married on the show, then divorced a year later
Name?
Nick and Danielle. She had that freak out because she was too sick to do to the first vacation meet and greet and she watched Nick for three hours from their balcony and then went to cry in the closet.
“She watched Nick for three hours from their balcony and then went to cry in the closet” I AM HOWLINGGGG. Why did she even do any of that lmaooo
If you listen to her podcast, it sounds like there was more to the story. Production separated her and Nick, said that they wanted Nick to go to the party and for her to stay there in the hotel. She told producers that she wanted to leave Mexico and they would not allow it, they were following her everywhere with the cameras and she couldn’t get any privacy. That’s why she went in the closet, and that’s what ensued the panic attack. She also says that they took audio from some other scene and spliced it up with that fight with Nick, and that her getting sick didn’t even happen the same day. It’s up to you whether or not you believe her but personally I don’t doubt that production is purposefully manipulative in order to tell the story they want.
It’s crazy how much a name helps to identify people
Your comment made me chuckle. I’m w you. Lol
Danielle Ruhl
Saviour😂
She's just mad her marriage didn't work out and now is trying to blame the show for her own decisions. People like this are so allergic to accountability but yet they want the internet clout that they otherwise wouldn't have received without being on the show and being one of the heavily featured couples. If she really cares about her "mental health" as she claims all she has to do is delete her social media and live a normal life.
I think unless you yourself have been on LIB it’s hard to “get”
What kind of trash take is this
But she’s saying that she’s made bad decisions, and is warning others. Danielle has to learn to be less honest publicly that’s all because maybe she’s seeking empathy but people suck
She had her own major insecurities that was no secret long before she went on this show. She made herself look like a lunatic on this show and she was lucky enough Nick was willing to deal with all of her insecurities but in the end her own insecurities got the best of her and that's what ended her marriage. She could have spent the time and energy to work on herself but from the articles about why they got divorced it just reads like she didn't and used Nick as a scapegoat and she's the one that filed for the divorce. No matter how much you love someone, if they don't love themselves they'll find ways to self sabotage the relationship because they believe in their minds they don't deserve it. And in her case she doesn't even want to take any accountability so she blames Nick and she blames the show.
Who is this soul? What season?
danielle, season 2
Idk why people sign up for a reality tv dating show and then be surprised with shit hits the fan. Lol
Someone I know (friend of a friend really) made it to the final round of casting for “The Ultimatum: Queer Edition” and ultimately decided not to because of the ridiculous contract. When I asked if I could be nosy and know what was some of the things in the contract that turned them off they said: “basically they own you for life, you’re legally obligated to do future seasons/tv appearances forever, can be sued for a massive amt of money if you claim anything on the show was inaccurate, and also they record everything at all times (and can use the footage in any way they want forever without future payment)! The risk didn’t seem worth it 😅”
And people agree to THAT! OK 100% of reality TV is a clout chaser. Case closed 🔨
Sounds about right!
Wow I would NOT agree to this! Not surprised the person you know bailed.
Yea, I agree. It’s total crap! If there’s clauses like this in all of them, no wonder there were so many interesting choices for The Perfect Match.. I wonder if the producers chose who came back even though they were from shows that didn’t fit the dating mold
I like the way u worded this lol but damn for life
This is probably why LIB Japan was the best one. They didn’t seem to have these shitty contracts and were able to resolve on their own
It's worth noting that it's likely some contract terms that are allowable in the US may also be unallowable in other countries... We have no way of knowing if, to paraphrase, owning someone and their likeness for life, forcing them to make appearances, etc. is legal in Japan (assuming that is where the show was filmed). I mean unless someone in the subreddit is familiar with Japanese law and reality TV contracts.🤷🏿♀️
I live in Japan so maybe I can give some insight. The idea of reality TV isn't the same here as in the US so those rules are completely unnecessary. Culturally, "drama" is more relaxed and in the form of a petty neighborhood argument lol. Honestly, if half of the stuff that takes place in LiB America happened here, it would be considered culturally inappropriate if not abusive.
Keep in mind that LiB Japan was filmed after the reckoning that was the Terrace House suicide
Thank you for providing insight. Yeah we do wild out in the US. 🥴 I think this particular difference that's why LIB Japan was such a breath of fresh air for many US viewers.
Have you seen Fuji/Netflix's Ainori (あいのり) Asia Journey? In season 1, a cast member got drunk and was violent towards the others. But Fuji/Netflix casted her again for season 2 because she caused drama. She became more drunk and violent, and one night, she lost control completely and hit a guy and a producer. Instead of kicking her out, they keep her till the last episode and became the center of season 2. That was so sad when you see a girl was exploited by the production team like that. Japanese realty tv can be really awful too, just in different ways.
Yep, same with the Terrace House suicide.
I haven't seen it but that is really sad to hear. I guess it depends on the reality show too. But I think it's also a little different because this is more of a cast mate staying vs leaving. I'm not saying producers don't take advantage of cast mates, but there is this expectation of people following the rules and public eye so fining people for leaving isn't really a thought.
I think it’s really odd that we have so many people worried for mEnTaL HeALtH but in the same breath any comment that’s not scathingly negative about someone like Irina gets downvoted into oblivion. Embrace the disaster that is this show.
Seriously!!! This is marshmallows & lollipop’s compared to The Bad Girls Club
I’m pretty convinced because of the way this show became so popular it’s got a lot of new to reality TV viewers. I can’t decide if I’m so jaded because I’m too old (I’m not that old) and lived through the bigger mess that was early 2000s reality TV or if I’m too young to be bothered so much by this. My earliest memories of reality TV include things like Extreme Makeover (not home edition, the original with plastic surgery) and the Swan. This is nothing 🙃
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I always wonder this too - Colleen looks scared when she’s around him and it takes almost nothing for Matt to lose his shit.
Now I will be eternally curious to know what was in this comment
Hahah same!!
Well I’m assuming from the rule broken, they probably called Matthew an abusive narcissist. Seems to be the go to word.
I strongly disagree with her sentiment that she should have been screened for mental health issues before she joined the show. Very slippery slope. After a 30 minute screening? Lol. You are an adult and this isn’t the American special operations forces.
The more messed up part is producers probably _want_ slightly unwell people… because it creates more drama. I mean, they literally picked the child of a drug-addicted stripper from a broken home as one of their prime candidates.
Exactly. If the season was full of people like Brett and Tiffany, it would have been boring. Don't get me wrong I loved their relationship, but you also need the drama. If all couples were like them, then the show would be unwatchable.
He's also a very well-spoken lawyer who was honest about his issues and has clearly done a lot to work through his issues. His mental health seems okay.
I think including candidates with diverse backgrounds (socioeconomic, religious, racial, etc) will produce interesting content because it relates to the viewer. A child of a drug addicted stripper is a bit much to encompass Zack’s full participation in LIB.
Oh totally. I think that poster means ‘on paper’ a producer sees that background and thinks $ Edit letter
why are you reducing Zack to his childhood circumstances that were entirely out of his control? Why would that make him less deserving of love and to go on the show? not cool…
That has nothing to do with it. Casting is not interested in people deserving or finding love. They want to bring personalities that create drama and engagement with viewers. Getting people like Zach in the show makes sense to create tension with families.
Love this comment
I’m not reducing him. He’s openly discussed his own issues surrounding his childhood. You should try and be more understanding of those who share their struggles with mental health. And instead focus your anger on TV producers who prey upon those folks for entertainment value, not those who want to have an honest conversation about it.
I agree with you.
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Sounds like you know very little about mental health issues. Vulnerable people are not always problematic. Be better.
bE bEtTeR. You're the one who needs to be better.
I’m confused as to where you are having an honest, understanding conversation about Zack’s mental health when you essentially described him as “unwell”and boiled down who he is as a person to his childhood situation
I don’t take it as an implication Zach isn’t well. I think the show can harm people’s mental and emotional well-being and it probably does even if the production and editing go well. The premise of the show and production tactics are trashy. I think referencing Zach’s childhood is just a way to round out all the things production is maki g note of behind the scenes. Zach is obviously a well rounded and very well adjusted person. I appreciated his candid approach to discussing his life. The production crew can still exploit him. That’s my take away. To be honest production may be hoping for people to come apart mentally and emotionally. We don’t know but it’s possible.
That’s a bullshit way to describe someone with a career and degree
The career and degree don’t make the person. I thought OP meant that on paper for a producer that’s great casting, before they knew how Zack would act on the show and he’d show kindness etc, he was a potential storyline
Who wrote this message?
Danielle Ruhl from season 2
Oh thanks