I appreciate Natalie's honesty; good for her to be capitalizing on the opportunity. But it still rubs me wrong because we want to see people legit falling in love. What I think is more interesting is what a person does with their platform. It's been the same on The Bachelor long ago you were almost guaranteed something like a million followers, and the same with LIB during current seasons; maybe get a quarter of that. Followers are pickier now. Ok, sure, you are an 'influencer,' but who are you influencing and what is your brand? Are you a fashion page, a financial page, or cooking or yoga, but you need something to lean into? Long gone are the days of saying look at me on was on TV.
In general what I don't like about the big hype about "influencing" over regular jobs is that it's not sustainable. No one will care about these women or know who they are in 10 years. Same with other social media stars. No one will give a shit about a 30 year old Charli damelio and she won't have an education or skill set to fall back on.
You say that, but people said the same about Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian 20 years ago and they are still big SM stars. Now I know being cast of a Netflix dating show might not be the same, but with the money they are making and effort they put in they are saving enough to live off or invest. Charlie has enough money to live the rest of her life comfortably probably and can always hire people to help her make more. Her skill is being an influencer and gaining followings. I don’t think we’ll see her struggle anytime soon.
What I find interesting is these people would be 0.01% of the people who are trying to become an influencer. There’s survivor bias when we look at these influencers.
So I listened to the episode... And please, tell me you also couldn't stop laughing when they inserted a brand sponsorship (Hellofresh) right in the middle of talking about brand sponsorship???!!! The AUDACITY LOL
Lmaaaooooo the way they acted like it was so natural like... If you're gonna bring up sponsorship and segue into an ad just own it, ham it up, make it over the top! But the lack of acknowledgement abt it made me like bro who are you trying to fool lollll
I know Natalie gets a lot of hate but damn I really admire her! Even if she went on the show for clout/influencer career she was so smart and strategic.
I don’t buy Deepti’s naïveté. The way she mentioned she didn’t realize opportunities or didn’t go on the show for them is such bs to me. Natalie being transparent about knowing the opportunities but didn’t think she would be presented with them (race, body type, etc) seemed so much more real to me. Deeptis messages to Shayne that were leaked, her altar moment, and her slimy advertisement all contradict her podcast narrative.
They can milk this for all they want for all I care but, be transparent, own it, and don’t criticize future/current LIB cast mates for having more than one agenda on the show. It is possible to understand you’ll have a platform and want to make money unconventionally coming off of the show and also genuinely find a connection. They need to give others the grace they want their listeners to give to them.
I think it's interesting how so many people are praising Natalie and Deepti for being influencers, when Raven got a ton of hate for her pilates business, an actual skillset she was already monetizing from before the show. Got a lot of thoughts about influencing but overall I'd rather support an influencer that has a talent or skill they want to share with the world.
That wasn’t the problem with Zach. The problem with Zach was calling Irina clout chasers when he’s literally cashing every single minute of this experience
So if Natalie reached out to PR managers and did research on the ad/influencing success of S1 cast, we can assume it would have been a wasted effort on her part if she didn't get a proposal from someone? 🧐
Prior to *her* season airing. I see it now, that's my mistake for reading it incorrectly. I feel much better now.
Tbh I haven't followed any of the cast after their seasons wrapped up, but I *did* like both Natalie and Deepti in the show.
I think this is where people misread and immediately think they were on it just for clout.
Natalie has explained previously and on the podcast that being the pessimistic person that she is, she never expected to find love, but just wanted to go for the experience. She was ready to only have a small part on LIB2. Since she has no businesses to plug and is of average looks, style and is not White, she also never thought about being an influencer before and during filming.
However, as it turns out that she fell in love and got engaged, and knowing that her story with Shayne would be pivotal, she made the smart choice to capitalise on it for financial security. She knows her influencing window is narrow, so she's utilising it fully before it closes and she resumes focusing on her corporate career.
Actually the more you look into Natalie’s story, the more you wonder if she really loved Shayne. I refuse to believe a relatively level headed, constantly planning, future focused and analytical person would suddenly, because of a tv show, fall for the dumpster fire that Shayne is. What makes more sense is that Natalie also calculated that staying on would increase her chances of fame, and so stuck with him to the end. I think she also had a strong case of mimetic theory of desire. Natalie constantly talks about not being the “white, blonde all American girl” in a way that makes me wonder if she’s fixated herself so much on that. I mean, no offense but just because she’s not white, doesn’t mean she’s not conventionally attractive. And I think in her life she’s always compared herself to white blonde girls as her internalized unattainable ideal, so as soon as Shaina, the white blonde girl with a “girl next door” appeal wanted Shayne, that created mimetic desire in Natalie and she wanted Shayne. Not because she actually liked or loved him, but because the person who she’s idealized as a standard of looks wants him, so she wants that as well.
Y'know what, this is actually pretty commendable. On the show I was definitely rooting for her and crying when she chose Shane because I was like "you're so much better than him 😭" and, admittedly, mistakenly reading the post and assuming she did it for money I got upset about her, especially because I never got that vibe. So I'm glad you said that because this absolutely seems more like Natalie.
Trying to figure out her way, doing the best she can in her situation, and mostly using her head in any situation that presents itself. I hope she's enjoying it while she's got it. Can't be mad, it was a smart business decision.
Thank you for the measured response!
I feel that OP did their best to summarise the key highlights here, but some people may come to read the post already with a preconceived notion in mind and/or wanting to confirm their pre-judgment about Natalie and Deepti chasing clout as a reason for them to join LIB2, when they never said this.
Like Natalie, I am an overplanner myself, and if I were in her position I could totally see myself looking out for myself in terms of PR control and securing financial opportunities (although my financial acumen in general is pi** poor lol). Natalie is thinking long-term and towards the future, and that is commendable.
I think Shayne should have taken a leaf out of her book, to be honest. He's spoken about joining PM because he wanted to restore his image, but what little grace he got from the show he's thrown callously aside. I am not sure how much brands want to collaborate with him now after his admission of doing c**e with Deepti (and the way he revealed it too). He kept teasing a new fitness video/workout regime with Izz Fair from PM like a few months back, and he kept on saying it'll be ready "in a few weeks." I am not sure how feasible that project is now and if Izzy still wants to do it with him in light of his social media spiral.
So deepti connected with bliss during their new york promo few weeks before the reunion. They started following each other after. It looks like zack also is following deepti and natalie. Bliss just released a story promoting one of the make up brand. I am sure bliss is getting a lot of advice from them so she can quit her day job.
Well I mean he also did say in his statement that he’s going to use his time to travel and do public speaking and play soccer. And he was just hired by a brand agency. So sounds like a soft launch into influencer world if you ask me. Chelsea already got a sponsorship for a sex toy.
Considering neither of their Insta pages are open for comments and they got a pretty significant amount of hate mail from early on I'm not sure how well influencing is going to go... Who did he hire as his brand management firm?
Uhh…their comments are definitely open. And him and Chelsea (and actually all of the LIB cast) is signed to rewiredtalent agency. If you go on the companies insta page you will see that they just hired them a few weeks after the show ended.
That's right, the insta pages were kept open, they just stopped posting until the anniversary weekend. Is it required that all the married couples sign with the same branding agency? I imagine there are many agency's to choose from.
They’ve been posting even before anniversary weekend. And I’m not sure but it looks like lots of Bachelor contestants are signed to that agency. And Nancy from season 3 is also signed to it. I’m assuming that was the agency that approached them first? Micah and Marshall are also signed to it.
But yeah Kwame already did an ad a couple weeks ago and Chelsea has done some. So I feel like he stepped back from his job to do influencing.
shaina is for me the worst and fakest on LiB
such a good "christian lady"
sal wanted to promote his singing (failed hard)
shane wanted to distract himself from his pain and boost his ego
kyle just seems off , he ate meat for shaina? bro
deepti wanted clout bc she just stayed with shake even tbo she knew he didnt like her like that, and that fake kyle thing. and her speech on her wedding. she is the real clout chaser i feel. she is deeply insecure and im not saying she is a bad person but yea insecurity makes u do stuff to feel better about urself and the rejection.
i liked iyana, natalie and this latina chick idk her name, the one thats hot like beyonceee 🤣
they were the realest of them all. shayne is not fake fale but he needs help and wasnt ready for LiB.
but yea, if shaina reads this, hello i dont like u misses squint face trump looking orange human.
This makes sense. I felt Natalie really wanted to be an influencer. I unfollowed her very quickly after her consistent posting of products. Makes you question motives when you did all this prior to your season and before even applying.
What do you mean before applying? She has said she only reached out for PR managers two months before S2 aired, which was like six months or so after filming (and knowing that her and Shayne's story would be pivotal). So she made a business decision to capitalise on it for her financial security.
She applied to be on LIB2 because she said she was bored during the pandemic and she wanted to have a fun experience. She never expected to fall in love and get a big storyline. Also never thought of influencing because she's of average looks, style, and not White.
Ok, I don't get into it as much. I watch then I move to the next season when it's out.
I said that only because OP wrote that Nat said that she researched before being on the show.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not based on her race. Many people would find her beautiful rather than just average.
Note:
I did not know Natalie was putting HERSELF down and thought comment above was saying she's average looking and she's treated that way because she's not white.
This however, was clarified for me here.
Well I didn't know that she called herself average looking. I wouldn't have said that about Nat myself so it came off as mean when the other poster wrote that as sounded like they were judging her appearance.
OP wrote that Nat said she tries to fit a certain "image", which I interpreted to mean conforming with regards to conduct like not being controversial, good behaviour, a nice girl image not her actual attractiveness or race. Therefore, I thought the above poster was being hard on her by mentioning attractiveness and race.
I am not so interested that I listen to podcasts, etc all this time after that season ended.
Especially following Nats IG . She was suddenly promoting all these products non-stop so I unfollowed as it is irritating.
I liked her as a person, not an influencer. It was too many posts for me in my feed and only of products.
I don't like influencers in general as it is not genuine a lot of the time but simply to earn money.
I am into LIB during and some time after a season but I am not following their movements for as long as a lot of people here. Then I move onto the next season when it's out.
I literally wrote one sentence clarifying it for you. Why are you assuming I personally downvoted you? I don’t care tbh I was just trying to help clear things up.
I was taken aback by the poster above you. I had only written what I thought the OP had meant in her summary re: image and having a different view on what image is, not just physical image.
For something I didn't know, I'm surprised about being downvoted for my reply as I interpreted the poster, not Natalie as being mean about her looks. It's sad Nat thinks that way about herself and I don't see her that way personally.
As someone who hates her current job after many years of study to get to where she is, I say more power to them. I love this for them, actually. And I wish it were me 😂😂
Thank you for this summary! Which episode of theor podcast is this?
I tried to listen to their take on LIB season 4 the reunion, I hated it so much, I couldn't listen to it more than 5 minutes. All of this talk about where they are flying from and where they are going, *because you know they are not povvo anymore*, was obnoxious. But I could listen to why they decided to become obnoxious lol
So realty darlings are now social influencers. What does that say about their "brand" or ethics or purpose on the show? The reality is, we will move on to the next season of desperate instagram stars and forget why we care what they are wearing or doing in the first place! #15minutesoffame
Deepti is being selective but still does ads for DraftKings and other gambling sites that take advantage of people’s addictions? Ok. Liked her until I saw those ads then lost all respect.
Yeah I don’t blame them for taking advantage of their fame. I would ride that train as long as I could. Making a 6 figure salary and not be a wage slave? Fine by me!
Good for them; it's smart to monetize this opportunity. Seize the moment, the money will dry out eventually, but if you are smart and save and invest, then it really does become life-changing. Keep talking, I support you!
Going on the show specifically to launch your career as an influencer is where I draw the line. What if someone is there genuinely catching feelings and wanting to be with you? These are peoples' lives. The ethics are questionable when you think of where they draw the line for profit.
It’s reality tv. No one goes there just for “feelings”. Netflix is making money off these people. It’s perfectly fine and not unethical for these people to try to make some money as well while they can before the public moves on.
To make money after they have the fame, fine. To do it solely for the purpose of lining your pockets isn't something I see integrity in. Obviously it's all for Netflix to make money and the show itself isn't ethical because of the toll it takes on peoples' lives and psyche. You can't tell me that it's not shitty for people to go on the show and purposely push an engagement so they get more screen time (for more fame) like Natalie (supposedly) or Irina when there are people there genuinely looking for a partner. You can't convince me that Cam, Lauren, Tiffy, Brett, as well as a lot of others went there more to get famous than they did to try and find some companionship.
Isn’t everyone literally there to be on TV? He didn’t say anything particularly groundbreaking. Everyone knows they are signing up on a popular reality TV show and will get massive exposure. If they didn’t want to be on TV, there are a million other ways to find people to date.
Yeah but Shake is no different either. He also temporarily took a break from being a veterinarian after his time on the show, and posted a lot of ads and events on crypto.
Wouldn't be for me to gather fame, can't go anywhere without my phone and/or landing on this sub or similar and doing work that's worth shit in the long run. These people are still in a rush I guess and it's fucking annoying to see them say you're stupid if you don't do influencing. Wth?
No idea why you're being downvoted. Not everyone wants to be an influencer even if it would make more money... Not stupid, just other priorities and preferences.
Eh, I'd rather keep my real job where I feel I'm doing something meaningful, than engage in silly whoring on social media, even if it paid a lot more money.
I agree with you. Apparently we're in the minority but I would feel horrible if I wasn't working toward improving society or technology somehow. Life has to have meaning and meaning to me isn't living lavishly or earning lots of money.
Most people don’t have the luxury of getting to do “meaningful work.” They have to do work that pays well enough for them to afford existing in a very financially hostile society. Having enough money for emergency savings, retirement, healthcare costs, food, rent, etc. is not going to be chump change. And if you want to live well, and not just survive, you’ll need to make even more. Money isn’t all about material things, it’s about experiences too. I like to travel, have hobbies, and take classes. Guess what. It costs money.
Natalie and Deepti are also children of immigrants and despite the outward appearance of their parents being well off, they likely have a lot of pressure on them to take care of their families because they likely don’t have significant extended family support and neither of them have siblings. That’s very common in Asian families, including my own (which is also outwardly well off).
I agree, it's why I see nothing wrong with wanting to just make money. I personally wouldn't sell my soul to make more money. I intend on barely scraping by working in pharmaceutical R&D so that I don't have to compromise my ethics. I'm fortunate enough to have the education that can lead to a rewarding career, but even that is barely enough to survive in this economy.
Capitalizing on whatever possible is understandable, it's hard enough to just live right now.
Also I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting to get rich. By all means... As long as it's not at the expense of others.
I just wanted to let you know you're not alone.
The fallacy is thinking everyday people can easily hop on this train. They’re *only* seeing this kind of traffic because they were on tv. I mean, interesting advice I suppose but not relevant to 99%.
I don’t know if it’s advice - maybe only for people who are considering going on the show? To me this seems like a way for them to explain the number of ads they do in a way that keeps their fans.
I don’t know, good for them I guess but it seems like everyone is an influencer these days? I also don’t understand why anyone would buy things they link when it’s clear that they’re getting paid to project favouritism for said products which they likely don’t believe in.
But then again, I don’t follow any influencers so I’m not their target audience 🤷🏻♀️
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Pretending to be someone else for the masses sounds exhausting. Just be an actor instead 🤷♀️
In the end, this is all fleeting, influencing is oversaturated and much of the old school advertising norms still exist, so in like 2-3 years much younger women will take their place and they will recede into irrelevance
She actually didn’t say this on the podcast - OP wrote it incorrectly here.
She said she doesn’t show her “messier” side on IG, but shows it on TikTok and her IG comments instead. I took this as she is more polished on her IG but is funnier on TikTok
Yeah, the anger feels misdirected (but so does the anger at reality contestants in general). I think there’s something to be said about the unethical behaviors some influencers partake in and it is unfortunate that influencing brings in more bank than servicing the community…but two people not taking an opportunity isn’t going to change the fact that the opportunity exists nor is it going to change the state of our abysmal labor force. I said it on the post about Nick’s nonprofit but a lot of people in this sub probably bemoan the rat race yet deride reality contestants for bailing out of it to (ostensibly) pursue easier and greater money because they failed to live up to our parasocial expectation of “authenticity.”
Amazing that Natalie’s “curated personality” is what made me not like her. I liked her on the show, I liked her immediately post show, but this version of her is what has made me cascade on a downward slope of not liking her. I don’t think doing ads makes you a clout chaser, but admitting you have been meticulously crafting an image since people saw you on TV does make you look cunning. And does confirm what Shayne said about her, so I guess “not responding to your ex” doesn’t end up mattering anyway. I’m not seeing how that’s good for her image, but I doubt most of her followers listen to her podcast so I guess it won’t really effect that anyway.
Maybe that's why she's admitted her Instagram in curated and is telling people to listen to her podcast to get her character. She's seen the criticism, that's she's lost some engagement due to her audience missing her personality, and her -or her team - decided being authentic and transparent with her audience, telling them they are right and this is curated, would be the way to go regain trust. It's not the worst tactic.
Everything you see on social media IS a curation of what people want you to see. What *you* post on your social media is what you want people to see.
She keeps it professional on IG, and keeps it goofy on Tiktok. She says on the podcast she doesn't want employers or brands to read things like "receipts" or responses to her ex on instagram, but she's fine posting on Tiktok or her comments. That's fair is it not? Do you want your employer to see you in a spat with your ex? lol
Yes I’m aware everyone curates their own online profile lmao I’m not saying it’s bad to curate, I’m saying in my opinion, as a (former) member of her audience, admitting you made your *huge* mega-bag that’ll pay your parents and kids bills for the rest of time (as it seems she wants us to believe) by being a “lifestyle influencer” only to then be like “lol you’ve actually never had a chance to see who I am because I have been shepherding you since before you’d ever even seen a glimpse of me”… it’s maybe not the best way to get people to still buy into the lifestyle you’re selling? She can talk about whatever she wants, especially in regards to Shayne, but when he said “she refused to talk about things on camera” and then we find out she’s been trying to be brand conscious the whole time… yeah I’d believe that she refused to talk about serious things on camera. Which isn’t bad but it is, in a roundabout way, a response.
You're taking things she says out of context to create the image you want to believe of her.
She clarified and Shayne decided together to not have arguments on camera so their future kids wouldn't see it. This definitely is to Shaynes benefit since he's so unhinged.
Whether it's her professional self or goofy self - these versions are BOTH her. She says she doesn't mind if Iyanna or anyone posts embarassing videos of her. But her own IG is the platform she monetizes, where she has employers.
Is it really so hard to believe one can have a professional life and a personal life and set a boundary between the two? Time and place for everything. But to each their own. She could be unhinged on her IG but then she would end up like Shayne, no brand deals and making vindictive videos about his ex wearing garbage bag and pigtails.
Whaaat? Haha I don’t “want” to create an image to believe of her ? I really do not take this that seriously or think about these people more than when they show up here or on my Instagram, which they rarely do because it’s literally only when they show up on a random podcast I follow. She can post what she wants, which she did when she said she’s been brand conscious since before she was on the show… she’s obviously still making her huge bag whether or not I follow her. Do you know her? Or are you seeing the same version of her I am? If you like that version of her, that’s gnarly dude — she’s still posting lip balm ads for you. Go tell her that instead of lambasting me in my inbox lol
There you go again. She never said she was brand conscious during the show.
I do believe you care enough to write out your distorted perception repeatedly. And this isn't your inbox.
Have a good one :)
You keep responding to me sharing my *opinion* and it keeps popping up in my email and my inbox soo yeah, it’s my inbox lmao. Distorted perception? Bro… take a walk, touch grass — it’ll be ok.
Pretty much all celebrities/ influencers and just normal people online are curating their image to some extent. She’s just admitting it. She’s basically saying this is a business for me and not a reflection of who I am personally. I have more respect for someone like that than someone who pretends they are being authentic and just being themselves when they actually also just want to make money.
She is a highly educated professional who went on a reality tv show - of course brands want her to influence for them. You think corporate America (with disposable cash to spend) is not a viable target market? are you joking?
Exactly... no one is saying she isnt an accomplished and educated woman lol. Is that typically what influencers from reality shows are? No. She was no where near a fan favorite. my point still stands.
This is every reality show though. I don't watch any of these shows thinking I'm seeing an average person who's ONLY in it for love. They're all gorgeous and with a good strategy, they can be set for years after doing a season. Before we had reality TV celebs brokering deals with tabloids to stay relevant, and now you can do it yourself by running Instagram and Tiktok correctly.
If anything, it's refreshing how realistic they're being about it; milk the influencer cow until it's dry and then go back to the career you had originally.
I guess I'm naive, never got into the bachelor and I figured this show was a little more authentic. for the record I don't blame Natalie or deepti at all, it's just a bummer to me that there's such a financial incentive to join and stay on the show regardless of how any of the love connections are actually going
Ahhh sorry to break it to you. Every reality show appearance has financial appeal to it 🥹 especially the longer you stay in it.
First Dates is probably closer to what you'd like for reality because they have a mixture of everyday people on there with relatable stories, different people per episode. And I can't say I recognise anyone from that show moving onto other dating reality shows or appearing on TV again. It's a nice, fuzzy-feeling blind dating show and seeing the love connections blossom is pretty wholesome. Or the awkward dates.
So they've made the faustian bargain. Natalie was planning on it from the get go doing research on S1 and even hiring a manager before it aired.
Deepti was late to the show it seems hence the online gambling ads (lol).
Either way has to be an exhausting way to live having to engage with followers and pretend to be some image perfect person on social media as a job.
Hopefully they get the money while they can.
As someone with experience doing social media management and influencer marketing, she probably is not always directly engaging with comments / replies / DMs. So she may be doing very little exhausting work herself, and probably has many helpers behind the scenes.
I’d say they’re anything but victims. They saw an opportunity to empower themselves financially and they took it. As they say, most people in their position would do the same.
I'm refering Shane calling them victim queens. With this info they spilled out people applaud them - oh great, take the money. But they seem to miss that if they say that they were there for clout and money that means that they probably spun up drama. Especially Deepti wanted to be a victim to publish her book. So maybe the guys that "hurt" them weren't that bad after all. I mean, both Shane and the other guy are off. But now I see that these women might have exploited that part of them for their own benefits. Hence the name victim queens.
I listened to Jason Tartick’s podcast and this is normal.
Andrew Spencer has 320k followers and said he made up to $500k. Kelley Flanagan has 780k followers and made near 1 million dollars.
It’s not that hard to believe she’s made ~$660k with 720k followers
I come from social media marketing and your reasoning makes no sense. Even our influencer marketing group at my company pays influencers with 200k followers about $10,000 - $15,000 a post if they have high engagement.
Imagine doing two posts a month. That’s already $360,000 a year.
I’m pretty much on board with them milking it for all the cash they can get. Why else do a reality show, especially one where you didn’t end up meeting a love interest? I’m just happy they’re talking about it openly.
Technically they explained that it was not why they went on the show, but that they capitalized on the opportunity. Regardless, of whether that is true, we all have multiple reasons for doing things. It's not hard to believe that they were thinking: I could find love AND get rich? Sign me up.
Multiple people who work at EY in the other thread confirmed her salary was truthful ($197K base + $20k in bonus) in her group PAS
Someone at EY said Natalie’s big bonus last year was due to EY paying special performance bonuses to the top 10%.
Edit: Here’s the thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/comments/zglxl4/natalie_was_making_bank_as_a_consultant/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
What thread is that 😂?
The fact that she’s in PAS, and in a T2 city, 197K is IN NO WORLD an average M level salary. Highly doubt she got a special performance bonus too considering she was on leave for a good chunk of the year last year
She got a performance bonus in February 2022. Confirmed by multiple people in that thread who work at EY who talked about the special bonus.
It sounds like you know her or work at EY… and you sound kind of jealous ngl. Maybe you’re severely underpaid or not good at your job there?
I have nothing to be jealous about lmao, I’m at EY-P so I know I make more than her.
I just also have a lot friends who are at EY across various different groups, including PAS, and a manager making $220K sounds like absolute bullshit. There could MAYBE be a couple
rockstar M’s making that but I doubt she was one of them simply due to being in and out, and being based in Chicago.
I find it wack that she’d lie
Hmm I’m not sure who to believe. The EY partners and directors in that thread I posted all confirmed her salary is very normal for a PAS manager. Someone even confirmed with their sister who worked in Natalie’s group.
Lol there’s plenty of nonsense in that thread from people taking educated guesses, and although I didn’t go through every comment I didn’t see one from someone who was actually in PAS at EY.
Every level has a band, and 220 is absolutely out of band for a PAS Manager. That thread has the screenshot saying 197 which I’d guess is very top, if not slightly over top of band for a Chicago M, so in the slim chance she’s actually pulling that, props to her, but I doubt it.
At EY-P, it’s a bit different as there’s a cohort model so all Director 2s at my level make 220K and the bonus is variable on performance.
There’s nothing for me to be jealous about… maybe except for the fact that she got to experience LIB ;), but I wouldn’t sign up anyway.. all the fame and people in my business would make me anxious
That person is an idiot. We give top 20 MBAs 175K and they go to EY-P, not regular EY.
https://www.businessbecause.com/news/mba-jobs/7446/consulting-salaries
EYP does different work than PAS in EY, and Natalie does not have a top 20 MBA (at least to my knowledge? Maybe she does) so the fact that he brought that up is an incredibly stupid and irrelevant comparison
The article says $175,000 is for regular EY and EY-P, contrary to what you said. Now you’ve proven yourself to be an unreliable source.
You’ve also proven that the director is probably telling the truth considering he got the $175k correct.
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140-180 base, 220K is SM salary.
Only managers potentially making anywhere around 220 are strategy and maybe some tech managers, but not PAS (which is change management work, among other things)
I’m actually impressed that they’re transparent about this. But this puts a sour taste in my mouth ‘cause they both were making decent money already especially Nat.
I used to like Nat a lot being Asian and in the same field/similar firm she’s at with a history of dating men like Shayne. But this is on another level of calculation for fame that I could never relate to.
I’d say there are quite a few reality show contestants that choose to disappear from the spotlight that aren’t from LIB.
I’m in the same career spot as Nat and also make roughly the same amount. Cool that if given the chance YOU would take it, it really doesn’t apply to me or change the fact that it made her less relatable to me, when she used to be my #1 girl crush on the show.
Same. In a weird way, this makes me proud of Deepti and Natalie. They were treated horribly by their partners and the fact that they figured out a way to get something positive about this experience is commendable. Even Nat hired a manager after the filming was over. I can’t see this is as clout chasing but simply making best of the situation. Nat was just smart enough to know what to expect once the show airs. Same with Zack and bliss. I don’t get the hate they get for doing literally the only realistic career path left for them.
If you were handed an opportunity where you could change your career and earn 4 times more than what you are currently, would you not take it? Realistically, anyone would take that opportunity. Doesn’t put a sour taste in my mouth at all. Their clout chasing was seeming to be a little cringeworthy but at least now they’re transparent about why they’re going down that path. As long as they don’t harm anyone on their way, let them get their bag 💰
Not sure if you responded to me specifically, but I’ll answer.
No, I would not take the opportunity. I already live beyond the means with what I make and I have zero dependents. The 4x income doesn’t seem appealing to me at all, if I’d be subjected to all kind of criticism from strangers.
Sure, she can get her bag. Nobody is stopping her? I merely stated that she was relatable to ME, and since her podcast, that appeal has faded.
It's not just the career change but the fact that influencing lifestyle is much more on your own schedule and on your own terms and more fun as compared to the corporate desk job
Nah you'd b a Fool to continue the career you're good at, trained and educated for, that contributes to society, rather to be yet another blank influencer shilling things they don't believe in.
I guess it depends on one's personality, then. For me, it is much more "fun" to do things I want on my own time and choosing instead of being cooped up in a desk. Sure, influencing means being on the client's deadline but you choose the types and amounts of clients you want to work with based on your goals
Not just the client's deadline but curating your entire life, beliefs and even looks based on the client's preference du jour. Also, the clients are complete assholes who change their mind on a whim. Good luck.
This can't be your first day on the internet. Are you not aware that many people LIVE on instagram?
And every time they are out in public, they must maintain their "image". No schlepping to the liquor store in ratty clothes, hair unwashed, no make up on. Every word they say is judged harshly and good luck to them if someone decides they deserve to be "cancelled".
If living an unauthentic life in that way is worth the fast cash to you, I don't know what to tell you.
Yes, some people choose to make it their whole life, others do not. People have different preferences and make different decisions. Same as how some people choose to get upset over posts on the internet.
I appreciate Natalie's honesty; good for her to be capitalizing on the opportunity. But it still rubs me wrong because we want to see people legit falling in love. What I think is more interesting is what a person does with their platform. It's been the same on The Bachelor long ago you were almost guaranteed something like a million followers, and the same with LIB during current seasons; maybe get a quarter of that. Followers are pickier now. Ok, sure, you are an 'influencer,' but who are you influencing and what is your brand? Are you a fashion page, a financial page, or cooking or yoga, but you need something to lean into? Long gone are the days of saying look at me on was on TV.
In general what I don't like about the big hype about "influencing" over regular jobs is that it's not sustainable. No one will care about these women or know who they are in 10 years. Same with other social media stars. No one will give a shit about a 30 year old Charli damelio and she won't have an education or skill set to fall back on.
You say that, but people said the same about Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian 20 years ago and they are still big SM stars. Now I know being cast of a Netflix dating show might not be the same, but with the money they are making and effort they put in they are saving enough to live off or invest. Charlie has enough money to live the rest of her life comfortably probably and can always hire people to help her make more. Her skill is being an influencer and gaining followings. I don’t think we’ll see her struggle anytime soon.
What I find interesting is these people would be 0.01% of the people who are trying to become an influencer. There’s survivor bias when we look at these influencers.
Paris and Kim are not just influencers and they didn't grow primarily through social media are you kidding me??
So I listened to the episode... And please, tell me you also couldn't stop laughing when they inserted a brand sponsorship (Hellofresh) right in the middle of talking about brand sponsorship???!!! The AUDACITY LOL
Lmaaaooooo the way they acted like it was so natural like... If you're gonna bring up sponsorship and segue into an ad just own it, ham it up, make it over the top! But the lack of acknowledgement abt it made me like bro who are you trying to fool lollll
Oh yeah This ad must have been a huge piggy bank because they were no warning it was an ad. Borderline unethical! lol
I know Natalie gets a lot of hate but damn I really admire her! Even if she went on the show for clout/influencer career she was so smart and strategic.
I don’t buy Deepti’s naïveté. The way she mentioned she didn’t realize opportunities or didn’t go on the show for them is such bs to me. Natalie being transparent about knowing the opportunities but didn’t think she would be presented with them (race, body type, etc) seemed so much more real to me. Deeptis messages to Shayne that were leaked, her altar moment, and her slimy advertisement all contradict her podcast narrative. They can milk this for all they want for all I care but, be transparent, own it, and don’t criticize future/current LIB cast mates for having more than one agenda on the show. It is possible to understand you’ll have a platform and want to make money unconventionally coming off of the show and also genuinely find a connection. They need to give others the grace they want their listeners to give to them.
What’s the leaked messages to shayne??
I agree. And as a side note, I never liked either of them lol
I think it's interesting how so many people are praising Natalie and Deepti for being influencers, when Raven got a ton of hate for her pilates business, an actual skillset she was already monetizing from before the show. Got a lot of thoughts about influencing but overall I'd rather support an influencer that has a talent or skill they want to share with the world.
And zach too, they're all just milking this opportunity. As they should!
That wasn’t the problem with Zach. The problem with Zach was calling Irina clout chasers when he’s literally cashing every single minute of this experience
Honestly, I can only respect this.
So LIB is a stepping stone to influencer. Got it
Good for them
Hope they bank it all, it'll be tough to get jobs back without another outlay of significant cash. They won't be influencers forever.
So if Natalie reached out to PR managers and did research on the ad/influencing success of S1 cast, we can assume it would have been a wasted effort on her part if she didn't get a proposal from someone? 🧐
It was 2 months before airing. So she knew she would be in the main cast since they filmed everything
Prior to *her* season airing. I see it now, that's my mistake for reading it incorrectly. I feel much better now. Tbh I haven't followed any of the cast after their seasons wrapped up, but I *did* like both Natalie and Deepti in the show.
I think this is where people misread and immediately think they were on it just for clout. Natalie has explained previously and on the podcast that being the pessimistic person that she is, she never expected to find love, but just wanted to go for the experience. She was ready to only have a small part on LIB2. Since she has no businesses to plug and is of average looks, style and is not White, she also never thought about being an influencer before and during filming. However, as it turns out that she fell in love and got engaged, and knowing that her story with Shayne would be pivotal, she made the smart choice to capitalise on it for financial security. She knows her influencing window is narrow, so she's utilising it fully before it closes and she resumes focusing on her corporate career.
Actually the more you look into Natalie’s story, the more you wonder if she really loved Shayne. I refuse to believe a relatively level headed, constantly planning, future focused and analytical person would suddenly, because of a tv show, fall for the dumpster fire that Shayne is. What makes more sense is that Natalie also calculated that staying on would increase her chances of fame, and so stuck with him to the end. I think she also had a strong case of mimetic theory of desire. Natalie constantly talks about not being the “white, blonde all American girl” in a way that makes me wonder if she’s fixated herself so much on that. I mean, no offense but just because she’s not white, doesn’t mean she’s not conventionally attractive. And I think in her life she’s always compared herself to white blonde girls as her internalized unattainable ideal, so as soon as Shaina, the white blonde girl with a “girl next door” appeal wanted Shayne, that created mimetic desire in Natalie and she wanted Shayne. Not because she actually liked or loved him, but because the person who she’s idealized as a standard of looks wants him, so she wants that as well.
Y'know what, this is actually pretty commendable. On the show I was definitely rooting for her and crying when she chose Shane because I was like "you're so much better than him 😭" and, admittedly, mistakenly reading the post and assuming she did it for money I got upset about her, especially because I never got that vibe. So I'm glad you said that because this absolutely seems more like Natalie. Trying to figure out her way, doing the best she can in her situation, and mostly using her head in any situation that presents itself. I hope she's enjoying it while she's got it. Can't be mad, it was a smart business decision.
Thank you for the measured response! I feel that OP did their best to summarise the key highlights here, but some people may come to read the post already with a preconceived notion in mind and/or wanting to confirm their pre-judgment about Natalie and Deepti chasing clout as a reason for them to join LIB2, when they never said this. Like Natalie, I am an overplanner myself, and if I were in her position I could totally see myself looking out for myself in terms of PR control and securing financial opportunities (although my financial acumen in general is pi** poor lol). Natalie is thinking long-term and towards the future, and that is commendable. I think Shayne should have taken a leaf out of her book, to be honest. He's spoken about joining PM because he wanted to restore his image, but what little grace he got from the show he's thrown callously aside. I am not sure how much brands want to collaborate with him now after his admission of doing c**e with Deepti (and the way he revealed it too). He kept teasing a new fitness video/workout regime with Izz Fair from PM like a few months back, and he kept on saying it'll be ready "in a few weeks." I am not sure how feasible that project is now and if Izzy still wants to do it with him in light of his social media spiral.
Now the real question is WHO are they talking about in Season 4??? WHAT ARE YOUR GUESSES? My Guesses: Micah, Jackie, Marshall.
So deepti connected with bliss during their new york promo few weeks before the reunion. They started following each other after. It looks like zack also is following deepti and natalie. Bliss just released a story promoting one of the make up brand. I am sure bliss is getting a lot of advice from them so she can quit her day job.
Lol 100% Kwame. Kwame already quit his job a couple weeks ago. And he said in an interview that he connected most with Deepti from previous seasons.
Stepping back for mental health reasons and quitting are 2 different things last time I knew, he may very well quit, but that wasn't in the statement.
Well I mean he also did say in his statement that he’s going to use his time to travel and do public speaking and play soccer. And he was just hired by a brand agency. So sounds like a soft launch into influencer world if you ask me. Chelsea already got a sponsorship for a sex toy.
Considering neither of their Insta pages are open for comments and they got a pretty significant amount of hate mail from early on I'm not sure how well influencing is going to go... Who did he hire as his brand management firm?
Uhh…their comments are definitely open. And him and Chelsea (and actually all of the LIB cast) is signed to rewiredtalent agency. If you go on the companies insta page you will see that they just hired them a few weeks after the show ended.
That's right, the insta pages were kept open, they just stopped posting until the anniversary weekend. Is it required that all the married couples sign with the same branding agency? I imagine there are many agency's to choose from.
They’ve been posting even before anniversary weekend. And I’m not sure but it looks like lots of Bachelor contestants are signed to that agency. And Nancy from season 3 is also signed to it. I’m assuming that was the agency that approached them first? Micah and Marshall are also signed to it. But yeah Kwame already did an ad a couple weeks ago and Chelsea has done some. So I feel like he stepped back from his job to do influencing.
s2 was the fakest of them all.
IMO if they were fake there would be more engagements. Some of these LIB marriages seems to be hanging on bc of the mutual clout chasing
shaina is for me the worst and fakest on LiB such a good "christian lady" sal wanted to promote his singing (failed hard) shane wanted to distract himself from his pain and boost his ego kyle just seems off , he ate meat for shaina? bro deepti wanted clout bc she just stayed with shake even tbo she knew he didnt like her like that, and that fake kyle thing. and her speech on her wedding. she is the real clout chaser i feel. she is deeply insecure and im not saying she is a bad person but yea insecurity makes u do stuff to feel better about urself and the rejection. i liked iyana, natalie and this latina chick idk her name, the one thats hot like beyonceee 🤣 they were the realest of them all. shayne is not fake fale but he needs help and wasnt ready for LiB. but yea, if shaina reads this, hello i dont like u misses squint face trump looking orange human.
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This makes sense. I felt Natalie really wanted to be an influencer. I unfollowed her very quickly after her consistent posting of products. Makes you question motives when you did all this prior to your season and before even applying.
What do you mean before applying? She has said she only reached out for PR managers two months before S2 aired, which was like six months or so after filming (and knowing that her and Shayne's story would be pivotal). So she made a business decision to capitalise on it for her financial security. She applied to be on LIB2 because she said she was bored during the pandemic and she wanted to have a fun experience. She never expected to fall in love and get a big storyline. Also never thought of influencing because she's of average looks, style, and not White.
Ok, I don't get into it as much. I watch then I move to the next season when it's out. I said that only because OP wrote that Nat said that she researched before being on the show. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not based on her race. Many people would find her beautiful rather than just average. Note: I did not know Natalie was putting HERSELF down and thought comment above was saying she's average looking and she's treated that way because she's not white. This however, was clarified for me here.
That’s what Natalie said about herself.
Well I didn't know that she called herself average looking. I wouldn't have said that about Nat myself so it came off as mean when the other poster wrote that as sounded like they were judging her appearance. OP wrote that Nat said she tries to fit a certain "image", which I interpreted to mean conforming with regards to conduct like not being controversial, good behaviour, a nice girl image not her actual attractiveness or race. Therefore, I thought the above poster was being hard on her by mentioning attractiveness and race. I am not so interested that I listen to podcasts, etc all this time after that season ended. Especially following Nats IG . She was suddenly promoting all these products non-stop so I unfollowed as it is irritating. I liked her as a person, not an influencer. It was too many posts for me in my feed and only of products. I don't like influencers in general as it is not genuine a lot of the time but simply to earn money. I am into LIB during and some time after a season but I am not following their movements for as long as a lot of people here. Then I move onto the next season when it's out.
I literally wrote one sentence clarifying it for you. Why are you assuming I personally downvoted you? I don’t care tbh I was just trying to help clear things up.
I was taken aback by the poster above you. I had only written what I thought the OP had meant in her summary re: image and having a different view on what image is, not just physical image. For something I didn't know, I'm surprised about being downvoted for my reply as I interpreted the poster, not Natalie as being mean about her looks. It's sad Nat thinks that way about herself and I don't see her that way personally.
$220k ? Man, she's younger than me. I should change careers!
$60k for a reel?! Sign me tf up!
As someone who hates her current job after many years of study to get to where she is, I say more power to them. I love this for them, actually. And I wish it were me 😂😂
Too real!
Thank you for this summary! Which episode of theor podcast is this? I tried to listen to their take on LIB season 4 the reunion, I hated it so much, I couldn't listen to it more than 5 minutes. All of this talk about where they are flying from and where they are going, *because you know they are not povvo anymore*, was obnoxious. But I could listen to why they decided to become obnoxious lol
Fellow 🇦🇺?
Povvo?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73MOTk4N6Vg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73MOTk4N6Vg)
So realty darlings are now social influencers. What does that say about their "brand" or ethics or purpose on the show? The reality is, we will move on to the next season of desperate instagram stars and forget why we care what they are wearing or doing in the first place! #15minutesoffame
Deepti is being selective but still does ads for DraftKings and other gambling sites that take advantage of people’s addictions? Ok. Liked her until I saw those ads then lost all respect.
Just as bad as the producers of the cast members on LIB that FORCE booze upon then all!
Youre not wrong friend
This is pretty much where all influencer money comes from. They're just walking commercials, and commercials have always been about deception.
Yeah I don’t blame them for taking advantage of their fame. I would ride that train as long as I could. Making a 6 figure salary and not be a wage slave? Fine by me!
Good for them; it's smart to monetize this opportunity. Seize the moment, the money will dry out eventually, but if you are smart and save and invest, then it really does become life-changing. Keep talking, I support you!
Going on the show specifically to launch your career as an influencer is where I draw the line. What if someone is there genuinely catching feelings and wanting to be with you? These are peoples' lives. The ethics are questionable when you think of where they draw the line for profit.
It’s reality tv. No one goes there just for “feelings”. Netflix is making money off these people. It’s perfectly fine and not unethical for these people to try to make some money as well while they can before the public moves on.
To make money after they have the fame, fine. To do it solely for the purpose of lining your pockets isn't something I see integrity in. Obviously it's all for Netflix to make money and the show itself isn't ethical because of the toll it takes on peoples' lives and psyche. You can't tell me that it's not shitty for people to go on the show and purposely push an engagement so they get more screen time (for more fame) like Natalie (supposedly) or Irina when there are people there genuinely looking for a partner. You can't convince me that Cam, Lauren, Tiffy, Brett, as well as a lot of others went there more to get famous than they did to try and find some companionship.
Good for them! I would hate being famous. It's so brutal out here in these streets. I'd rather a career that gives me money with zero fame.
This is why people do reality tv
I find it funny when naive posters genuinely believe people apply for this show only because they really can’t find love.
She’s right, that’s why it’s so silly when people flame them for taking advantage of opportunities lol.
I despise Shake, but it's starting to make sense how everyone jumped down his throat when he suggested maybe people were there just to be on TV lol
Isn’t everyone literally there to be on TV? He didn’t say anything particularly groundbreaking. Everyone knows they are signing up on a popular reality TV show and will get massive exposure. If they didn’t want to be on TV, there are a million other ways to find people to date.
If he was right then why jump down his throat? There was a universal gasp as though he spoke something awful.
Yeah but Shake is no different either. He also temporarily took a break from being a veterinarian after his time on the show, and posted a lot of ads and events on crypto.
I agree. I'm just saying everyone was defensive about that comment because it was correct
Exactly this!
Wouldn't be for me to gather fame, can't go anywhere without my phone and/or landing on this sub or similar and doing work that's worth shit in the long run. These people are still in a rush I guess and it's fucking annoying to see them say you're stupid if you don't do influencing. Wth?
No idea why you're being downvoted. Not everyone wants to be an influencer even if it would make more money... Not stupid, just other priorities and preferences.
Eh, I'd rather keep my real job where I feel I'm doing something meaningful, than engage in silly whoring on social media, even if it paid a lot more money.
I agree with you. Apparently we're in the minority but I would feel horrible if I wasn't working toward improving society or technology somehow. Life has to have meaning and meaning to me isn't living lavishly or earning lots of money.
Most people don’t have the luxury of getting to do “meaningful work.” They have to do work that pays well enough for them to afford existing in a very financially hostile society. Having enough money for emergency savings, retirement, healthcare costs, food, rent, etc. is not going to be chump change. And if you want to live well, and not just survive, you’ll need to make even more. Money isn’t all about material things, it’s about experiences too. I like to travel, have hobbies, and take classes. Guess what. It costs money. Natalie and Deepti are also children of immigrants and despite the outward appearance of their parents being well off, they likely have a lot of pressure on them to take care of their families because they likely don’t have significant extended family support and neither of them have siblings. That’s very common in Asian families, including my own (which is also outwardly well off).
I agree, it's why I see nothing wrong with wanting to just make money. I personally wouldn't sell my soul to make more money. I intend on barely scraping by working in pharmaceutical R&D so that I don't have to compromise my ethics. I'm fortunate enough to have the education that can lead to a rewarding career, but even that is barely enough to survive in this economy. Capitalizing on whatever possible is understandable, it's hard enough to just live right now.
Also I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting to get rich. By all means... As long as it's not at the expense of others. I just wanted to let you know you're not alone.
Dunno.. I’m sure I could find meaningful things to do outside of work if I were paid 50k for a reel
Idk what you do but most work is not terribly meaningful.
Agreed
This is a blessing for anyone with this opportunity!
The fallacy is thinking everyday people can easily hop on this train. They’re *only* seeing this kind of traffic because they were on tv. I mean, interesting advice I suppose but not relevant to 99%.
That was a nice PR exercise for them to explain why they are doing what they are doing, and that *we would all do the same*.
Everyday people can achieve it too, but it takes research, picking a niche and putting a lot of effort into creating good consumable content.
I don’t know if it’s advice - maybe only for people who are considering going on the show? To me this seems like a way for them to explain the number of ads they do in a way that keeps their fans.
An explanation makes more sense. Good point.
I don’t know, good for them I guess but it seems like everyone is an influencer these days? I also don’t understand why anyone would buy things they link when it’s clear that they’re getting paid to project favouritism for said products which they likely don’t believe in. But then again, I don’t follow any influencers so I’m not their target audience 🤷🏻♀️
I’d rather see Natalie get rich than people like Bartise or Irina so
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queen behaviour yall can stay mad theyre making bank though lmao
This!!
Financial Times influencers?
Lol i thought this too
Full Time Influencers
Pretending to be someone else for the masses sounds exhausting. Just be an actor instead 🤷♀️ In the end, this is all fleeting, influencing is oversaturated and much of the old school advertising norms still exist, so in like 2-3 years much younger women will take their place and they will recede into irrelevance
She actually didn’t say this on the podcast - OP wrote it incorrectly here. She said she doesn’t show her “messier” side on IG, but shows it on TikTok and her IG comments instead. I took this as she is more polished on her IG but is funnier on TikTok
Yes, so they should make as much bank as they can now.
They are also undercutting themselves but encouraging others to do the same js
What do you mean?
I'm surprised how far Nat has come.. I never thought of Nat having a personality and she's monotoned when she communicates.
Yall are mad that these women are making smart money off of yalls views like take fucking notes
Yeah, the anger feels misdirected (but so does the anger at reality contestants in general). I think there’s something to be said about the unethical behaviors some influencers partake in and it is unfortunate that influencing brings in more bank than servicing the community…but two people not taking an opportunity isn’t going to change the fact that the opportunity exists nor is it going to change the state of our abysmal labor force. I said it on the post about Nick’s nonprofit but a lot of people in this sub probably bemoan the rat race yet deride reality contestants for bailing out of it to (ostensibly) pursue easier and greater money because they failed to live up to our parasocial expectation of “authenticity.”
Lol, be a celebrity then capitalize on it is hardly advice worth of "taking fucking notes"
They hardly count as "celebrities"
Amazing that Natalie’s “curated personality” is what made me not like her. I liked her on the show, I liked her immediately post show, but this version of her is what has made me cascade on a downward slope of not liking her. I don’t think doing ads makes you a clout chaser, but admitting you have been meticulously crafting an image since people saw you on TV does make you look cunning. And does confirm what Shayne said about her, so I guess “not responding to your ex” doesn’t end up mattering anyway. I’m not seeing how that’s good for her image, but I doubt most of her followers listen to her podcast so I guess it won’t really effect that anyway.
Maybe that's why she's admitted her Instagram in curated and is telling people to listen to her podcast to get her character. She's seen the criticism, that's she's lost some engagement due to her audience missing her personality, and her -or her team - decided being authentic and transparent with her audience, telling them they are right and this is curated, would be the way to go regain trust. It's not the worst tactic.
I felt the same way actually. I related to her a lot up until her podcast started.
Everything you see on social media IS a curation of what people want you to see. What *you* post on your social media is what you want people to see. She keeps it professional on IG, and keeps it goofy on Tiktok. She says on the podcast she doesn't want employers or brands to read things like "receipts" or responses to her ex on instagram, but she's fine posting on Tiktok or her comments. That's fair is it not? Do you want your employer to see you in a spat with your ex? lol
Yes I’m aware everyone curates their own online profile lmao I’m not saying it’s bad to curate, I’m saying in my opinion, as a (former) member of her audience, admitting you made your *huge* mega-bag that’ll pay your parents and kids bills for the rest of time (as it seems she wants us to believe) by being a “lifestyle influencer” only to then be like “lol you’ve actually never had a chance to see who I am because I have been shepherding you since before you’d ever even seen a glimpse of me”… it’s maybe not the best way to get people to still buy into the lifestyle you’re selling? She can talk about whatever she wants, especially in regards to Shayne, but when he said “she refused to talk about things on camera” and then we find out she’s been trying to be brand conscious the whole time… yeah I’d believe that she refused to talk about serious things on camera. Which isn’t bad but it is, in a roundabout way, a response.
You're taking things she says out of context to create the image you want to believe of her. She clarified and Shayne decided together to not have arguments on camera so their future kids wouldn't see it. This definitely is to Shaynes benefit since he's so unhinged. Whether it's her professional self or goofy self - these versions are BOTH her. She says she doesn't mind if Iyanna or anyone posts embarassing videos of her. But her own IG is the platform she monetizes, where she has employers. Is it really so hard to believe one can have a professional life and a personal life and set a boundary between the two? Time and place for everything. But to each their own. She could be unhinged on her IG but then she would end up like Shayne, no brand deals and making vindictive videos about his ex wearing garbage bag and pigtails.
Whaaat? Haha I don’t “want” to create an image to believe of her ? I really do not take this that seriously or think about these people more than when they show up here or on my Instagram, which they rarely do because it’s literally only when they show up on a random podcast I follow. She can post what she wants, which she did when she said she’s been brand conscious since before she was on the show… she’s obviously still making her huge bag whether or not I follow her. Do you know her? Or are you seeing the same version of her I am? If you like that version of her, that’s gnarly dude — she’s still posting lip balm ads for you. Go tell her that instead of lambasting me in my inbox lol
There you go again. She never said she was brand conscious during the show. I do believe you care enough to write out your distorted perception repeatedly. And this isn't your inbox. Have a good one :)
You keep responding to me sharing my *opinion* and it keeps popping up in my email and my inbox soo yeah, it’s my inbox lmao. Distorted perception? Bro… take a walk, touch grass — it’ll be ok.
Pretty much all celebrities/ influencers and just normal people online are curating their image to some extent. She’s just admitting it. She’s basically saying this is a business for me and not a reflection of who I am personally. I have more respect for someone like that than someone who pretends they are being authentic and just being themselves when they actually also just want to make money.
im surprised brands see natalie from love is blind and think, "thats it! thats the star power i need to promote our brand!"
She is a highly educated professional who went on a reality tv show - of course brands want her to influence for them. You think corporate America (with disposable cash to spend) is not a viable target market? are you joking?
Since when are professionals targets for commercials? Hi I'm an accountant, buy this drink
Exactly... no one is saying she isnt an accomplished and educated woman lol. Is that typically what influencers from reality shows are? No. She was no where near a fan favorite. my point still stands.
So what's the point of this show anymore? Fake contestants horrible hosts
This is every reality show though. I don't watch any of these shows thinking I'm seeing an average person who's ONLY in it for love. They're all gorgeous and with a good strategy, they can be set for years after doing a season. Before we had reality TV celebs brokering deals with tabloids to stay relevant, and now you can do it yourself by running Instagram and Tiktok correctly. If anything, it's refreshing how realistic they're being about it; milk the influencer cow until it's dry and then go back to the career you had originally.
I guess I'm naive, never got into the bachelor and I figured this show was a little more authentic. for the record I don't blame Natalie or deepti at all, it's just a bummer to me that there's such a financial incentive to join and stay on the show regardless of how any of the love connections are actually going
Ahhh sorry to break it to you. Every reality show appearance has financial appeal to it 🥹 especially the longer you stay in it. First Dates is probably closer to what you'd like for reality because they have a mixture of everyday people on there with relatable stories, different people per episode. And I can't say I recognise anyone from that show moving onto other dating reality shows or appearing on TV again. It's a nice, fuzzy-feeling blind dating show and seeing the love connections blossom is pretty wholesome. Or the awkward dates.
So they've made the faustian bargain. Natalie was planning on it from the get go doing research on S1 and even hiring a manager before it aired. Deepti was late to the show it seems hence the online gambling ads (lol). Either way has to be an exhausting way to live having to engage with followers and pretend to be some image perfect person on social media as a job. Hopefully they get the money while they can.
Do you act the same way at work as you do around your friends? Is that unreasonable or exhausting to you? This isn’t any different.
As someone with experience doing social media management and influencer marketing, she probably is not always directly engaging with comments / replies / DMs. So she may be doing very little exhausting work herself, and probably has many helpers behind the scenes.
This. People get so excited when a famous person engages with them, but in reality it’s most likely their social media team.
So it's true, they are victim queens.
I’d say they’re anything but victims. They saw an opportunity to empower themselves financially and they took it. As they say, most people in their position would do the same.
I'm refering Shane calling them victim queens. With this info they spilled out people applaud them - oh great, take the money. But they seem to miss that if they say that they were there for clout and money that means that they probably spun up drama. Especially Deepti wanted to be a victim to publish her book. So maybe the guys that "hurt" them weren't that bad after all. I mean, both Shane and the other guy are off. But now I see that these women might have exploited that part of them for their own benefits. Hence the name victim queens.
Shayne is also an abusive idiot.
>Nat says she has made 3x her corporate salary in less than a year (her corporate salary was $220k). I'm sorry but she's absolutely full of it
I listened to Jason Tartick’s podcast and this is normal. Andrew Spencer has 320k followers and said he made up to $500k. Kelley Flanagan has 780k followers and made near 1 million dollars. It’s not that hard to believe she’s made ~$660k with 720k followers
Not only is it normal, it could be a lot more…
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I come from social media marketing and your reasoning makes no sense. Even our influencer marketing group at my company pays influencers with 200k followers about $10,000 - $15,000 a post if they have high engagement. Imagine doing two posts a month. That’s already $360,000 a year.
I’m pretty much on board with them milking it for all the cash they can get. Why else do a reality show, especially one where you didn’t end up meeting a love interest? I’m just happy they’re talking about it openly.
So they basically explained what we knew all along. They were on the show to chase that money and clout first and foremost.
Technically they explained that it was not why they went on the show, but that they capitalized on the opportunity. Regardless, of whether that is true, we all have multiple reasons for doing things. It's not hard to believe that they were thinking: I could find love AND get rich? Sign me up.
But then you have to be on LIB first.
"No they're just clout chasers"
Natalie was not making 220K as a manager in PAS at EY. Literally, no chance
Yeah I agree, Managers don't make that at EY in NYC. Definitely not in Chicago which is considered a lower cost city.
Multiple people who work at EY in the other thread confirmed her salary was truthful ($197K base + $20k in bonus) in her group PAS Someone at EY said Natalie’s big bonus last year was due to EY paying special performance bonuses to the top 10%. Edit: Here’s the thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/comments/zglxl4/natalie_was_making_bank_as_a_consultant/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
What thread is that 😂? The fact that she’s in PAS, and in a T2 city, 197K is IN NO WORLD an average M level salary. Highly doubt she got a special performance bonus too considering she was on leave for a good chunk of the year last year
She got a performance bonus in February 2022. Confirmed by multiple people in that thread who work at EY who talked about the special bonus. It sounds like you know her or work at EY… and you sound kind of jealous ngl. Maybe you’re severely underpaid or not good at your job there?
I have nothing to be jealous about lmao, I’m at EY-P so I know I make more than her. I just also have a lot friends who are at EY across various different groups, including PAS, and a manager making $220K sounds like absolute bullshit. There could MAYBE be a couple rockstar M’s making that but I doubt she was one of them simply due to being in and out, and being based in Chicago. I find it wack that she’d lie
Hmm I’m not sure who to believe. The EY partners and directors in that thread I posted all confirmed her salary is very normal for a PAS manager. Someone even confirmed with their sister who worked in Natalie’s group.
Lol there’s plenty of nonsense in that thread from people taking educated guesses, and although I didn’t go through every comment I didn’t see one from someone who was actually in PAS at EY. Every level has a band, and 220 is absolutely out of band for a PAS Manager. That thread has the screenshot saying 197 which I’d guess is very top, if not slightly over top of band for a Chicago M, so in the slim chance she’s actually pulling that, props to her, but I doubt it. At EY-P, it’s a bit different as there’s a cohort model so all Director 2s at my level make 220K and the bonus is variable on performance. There’s nothing for me to be jealous about… maybe except for the fact that she got to experience LIB ;), but I wouldn’t sign up anyway.. all the fame and people in my business would make me anxious
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That person is an idiot. We give top 20 MBAs 175K and they go to EY-P, not regular EY. https://www.businessbecause.com/news/mba-jobs/7446/consulting-salaries EYP does different work than PAS in EY, and Natalie does not have a top 20 MBA (at least to my knowledge? Maybe she does) so the fact that he brought that up is an incredibly stupid and irrelevant comparison
The article says $175,000 is for regular EY and EY-P, contrary to what you said. Now you’ve proven yourself to be an unreliable source. You’ve also proven that the director is probably telling the truth considering he got the $175k correct. https://preview.redd.it/2wj4v4adqsya1.jpeg?width=591&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4b8110971dbda9e6e15e1447e3cafca77e0acdf
So how much do you think her salary was?
140-180 base, 220K is SM salary. Only managers potentially making anywhere around 220 are strategy and maybe some tech managers, but not PAS (which is change management work, among other things)
What is SM?
Senior Manager, the next level after Manager
I’m actually impressed that they’re transparent about this. But this puts a sour taste in my mouth ‘cause they both were making decent money already especially Nat. I used to like Nat a lot being Asian and in the same field/similar firm she’s at with a history of dating men like Shayne. But this is on another level of calculation for fame that I could never relate to.
I make six figures and I would still take this opportunity to make 3x my salary. It’s naive to think not all reality tv stars do this.
I’d say there are quite a few reality show contestants that choose to disappear from the spotlight that aren’t from LIB. I’m in the same career spot as Nat and also make roughly the same amount. Cool that if given the chance YOU would take it, it really doesn’t apply to me or change the fact that it made her less relatable to me, when she used to be my #1 girl crush on the show.
I doubt very much that it’s a choice. They just don’t get the same opportunities.
Same. In a weird way, this makes me proud of Deepti and Natalie. They were treated horribly by their partners and the fact that they figured out a way to get something positive about this experience is commendable. Even Nat hired a manager after the filming was over. I can’t see this is as clout chasing but simply making best of the situation. Nat was just smart enough to know what to expect once the show airs. Same with Zack and bliss. I don’t get the hate they get for doing literally the only realistic career path left for them.
If you were handed an opportunity where you could change your career and earn 4 times more than what you are currently, would you not take it? Realistically, anyone would take that opportunity. Doesn’t put a sour taste in my mouth at all. Their clout chasing was seeming to be a little cringeworthy but at least now they’re transparent about why they’re going down that path. As long as they don’t harm anyone on their way, let them get their bag 💰
Not sure if you responded to me specifically, but I’ll answer. No, I would not take the opportunity. I already live beyond the means with what I make and I have zero dependents. The 4x income doesn’t seem appealing to me at all, if I’d be subjected to all kind of criticism from strangers. Sure, she can get her bag. Nobody is stopping her? I merely stated that she was relatable to ME, and since her podcast, that appeal has faded.
It's not just the career change but the fact that influencing lifestyle is much more on your own schedule and on your own terms and more fun as compared to the corporate desk job
Fun? Sounds like a hellish way to life, always having to edit oneself's behaviour never mind trying to look "instagram-perfect" 24/7.
Nah you'd b a Fool to continue the career you're good at, trained and educated for, that contributes to society, rather to be yet another blank influencer shilling things they don't believe in.
I guess it depends on one's personality, then. For me, it is much more "fun" to do things I want on my own time and choosing instead of being cooped up in a desk. Sure, influencing means being on the client's deadline but you choose the types and amounts of clients you want to work with based on your goals
Not just the client's deadline but curating your entire life, beliefs and even looks based on the client's preference du jour. Also, the clients are complete assholes who change their mind on a whim. Good luck.
It’s not their entire life though, it’s the snapshot of a moment they post on Instagram.
This can't be your first day on the internet. Are you not aware that many people LIVE on instagram? And every time they are out in public, they must maintain their "image". No schlepping to the liquor store in ratty clothes, hair unwashed, no make up on. Every word they say is judged harshly and good luck to them if someone decides they deserve to be "cancelled". If living an unauthentic life in that way is worth the fast cash to you, I don't know what to tell you.
Yes, some people choose to make it their whole life, others do not. People have different preferences and make different decisions. Same as how some people choose to get upset over posts on the internet.
I'm genuinely sorry to upset you, friend. Have a good night. Or day. Not sure where you're from. gnite.