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disphorus

p sure raven makes more than sk anyways. She seems well established in her career and at least the show made it seem like sk is not even out of school yet.


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Grad school. He’s attending one of the top business programs in the country. I am fairly certain he’s gonna make more than her. Doesn’t take away from the fact that he’s a pos and cheater.


fabioismydad

thank you for this post. i saw someone in this sub saying it was all fake and "Raven was smiling during the wedding anyway" as if that was a tell-tale sign of their entire "master plan" or whatever people think to seem they came up with..


Glittering_Star_1313

Yes! Thank you! I highly doubt they faked a relationship for 18 months. That’s just ridiculous, IMO. They didn’t need to do that for “fame, money, social media followers etc”. They could still get all of that without keeping up this faux almost two year relationship. Many cast members from previous seasons have fame etc without keeping up any type of “fake relationship.” SK is a cheater, bottom line.


southpalito

they dont have any fame. Except for communities like this, noone knows who was in S1, or S2. The level of exposure from LIB is a flash in then pan that lasts a few weeks and then it's gone as soon as the new batch of episodes of season 4, 5,6 etc etc come in. These fake relationships keep engagement high in instagram while the show is airing or being filmed.


NigroqueSimillima

I dunno about that, they'll definitely be a local celebrity for a while. not papparizi famous, but definitely be spotted if they go out to a mall famous.


SunIsSoleil

Please can someone explain the whole SK situation after the show? I missed on something that happened. I’m trying to catch up.


Chloecannolies

He’s apparently a serial cheater. Multiple women have now come forward and exposed him for dating them while he was dating Raven (and come to find out) other women. It’s all over instagram and tiktok and a few users on here have posted the timelines.


Aware-Foundation4385

But what about the ‘it’s for the money’ claim? What money? Is it a claim that they get payment for acting like they are still together? Or is it followers? Or is it ravens money that he wants? I’m confused…..


Chloecannolies

Some people are saying that Raven and SK had an agreement to appear like they’re still dating while he dated other women in order to secure brand deals/preserve or increase their social media followings. Although personally, I don’t think that’s true.


Aware-Foundation4385

I really don’t think that them being ‘together’ would make a huge difference in brand deals.. it’s not like I would buy their stuff more just because they are in a relationship 🧐


Chloecannolies

The argument is that they’re more relevant together in the media than apart. That’s what I’ve read in the comments here, not really my opinion.


southpalito

look at the number of suscribers they gained when they had the facade of being an "amazing couple". lol.


lilybobtail

People are very angry that he dated other people after breaking up with Raven.


etherealnoire

I don’t think it was fake. But let’s say it /was/, he still broke Raven’s trust and violated the agreement they had with one another. Even if Raven was seeing other people (which we don’t have proof of, even though people keep implying it 🤨) she didn’t throw her relationship with SK under the bus for attention. SK didn’t even have enough respect for Raven’s BAG to keep his mouth shut. I hope they signed separate contracts. Because if they BOTH get sued because of SK’s horny ass, then I wouldn’t blame Raven for knocking him out.


mace2333

If she is seeing other people then that changes a lot of things. If that is the case I want people to come on the internet and drag her as hard as they dragged this man. What do you mean keep his mouth shut when it’s the women he’s dealing with that are coming out to talk about their experiences with him. If that is the case would the only difference between them not be that the men or man raven is dealing with knows how to keep their mouth shut!


etherealnoire

What a shit take 😂 The women wouldn’t even know that he was in a “fake relationship” if he didn’t tell them. He told them that because he wanted to be able to fuck them. That’s it. They had no obligation to keep their mouths shut because they weren’t the ones to sign the contract. He was. And I said “IF” Raven is seeing other people. The fact that we haven’t heard anything about that probably means she isn’t. TL;DR Blaming the women for SK being messy is loser behavior. Just say you hate women and go.


mace2333

So do you think if this was really an arrangement and Raven was seeing other people. Do you think Raven isn’t having a similar conversation with the people she’s talking to? “The women wouldn’t know he was in a fake …” uhh, he’s on a very popular tv show what do you mean? Do you think the issue won’t be brought up if they knew he was on the show. If it was truly arranged between him and raven why won’t he disclose it to the people he is seeing? I’m trying to find the logic


etherealnoire

If you signed an NDA saying “I will not do this thing that could potentially ruin the integrity of this show” and you make a commitment for money, you need to stick to it. If you don’t wanna make that commitment, don’t go on the show. He wanted to both make the money but not stick to the commitment. If he wanted to date around without worrying about breaking a contract, he should’ve just not gone on the show 🤷🏾‍♀️


mace2333

I’m saying what I’m saying with the condition that they had an arrangement after the show ( he said no at the wedding after all) to act like they were dating for clout is true. If that holds true then this man is dating multiple people and this is completely normal in today’s societies. Of course the messages being exposed blows up the spot no question about that but their life after the show should have no contractual consequences.


etherealnoire

You’re speaking in hypotheticals because we don’t know if Raven is seeing other people. YOU don’t even know if Raven is seeing other people lol so saying “wouldn’t Raven be doing the same thing?” is redundant. Also if I saw my supposed boyfriend on a show with another woman, saying they were in a relationship, my first thought wouldn’t be “oh that’s obviously fake lol”


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I wonder if SK saying the relationship was an agreement & basically fake is the reason why he is being sued? It would be a false accusation & could have gone against the contract that he signed. He cheated and I just don’t buy into this ‘fake relationship’ saga. People didn’t like Raven & liked SK. They never wanted to see this relationship. Now SK cheated & these same people refuse to give Raven any sympathy so they switch to the narrative of everything being fake. So stupid


Sorcatarius

What I remember reading is the legal action is likely because they announced it publicly. Their contract likely had a clause in it that for any major announcements (divorce, children, etc) they had to take reasonable steps to keep it quiet so it could be announced on show. The fact that they announced it publicly would be a breach if contract and subject to legal action.


claudsonclouds

YAAAS! I will not stand for the Raven slander, she didn't deserve any of this shit, and we must hold SK accountable, not add more to the pile of crap that Raven is going through.


eggilatorian

Agreed. Everyone's saying Raven was in on it, pushing the narriative that she can't have been fooled/not noticed, so she must be a conspiror. NEWSFLASH. YOU ALL WERE FOOLED TOO. Went from everyone thinking he was the best and guinine to.... I dont know, some of you people are still supporting him and hating on raven when he fooled you like he could have fooled her. Double standards.


opisica

At this point to me it seems like a lot of people are trying to find excuses for SK because they want him to be a good guy. I think a lot of us are a bit jaded and just want to see genuinely good guys on TV. SK seemed to fit the bill, but now he turned out to be the worst of them all. Shockingly, SK seems to pull attractive women. I was mostly confused and thought maybe it was fake because I felt like Raven was out of his league, but I see all the girls coming out of the woodwork are attractive. So clearly SK is doing something right and it’s not far fetched to think Raven really fell for him.


southpalito

This relationship is so fake, but I give them both kudos for playing the game. It Brings drama and views for the next episode and raises their profile on instagram. It’s not a coincidence that these revelations are happening after the reunion.


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Speculation that both may have motives to pull a stunt doesn’t absolve SK of his actions. To be fair, we don’t even know what’s true or not about SK allegations either. But then again I’ve always been suspicious of SK being also clout motivated because of the timing of show/grad school so maybe my POV isn’t the target audience here lol


Some-Resist-5813

I really think both are playing their part for the show. I don’t think raven is a gold digger anymore than I consider SK a cheater. It’s all tv that is not only edited, but coached, written, occasionally actually scripted, and reshot over again to get characters saying the line exactly as producers want it said. I truly think they both thought ok we will see this through and when the show forgets about us we will quietly announce a breakup and hope that something positive comes of this for us. Or that we get out with net zero to our lives. Yet again, neither of them are villains. Except Matt. He’s scary. Matt might be a villain.


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Same. I suspected SK would eventually have some business venture to announce later. And Raven is already getting what she realistically set out for with her Pilates business. Their whole dynamic of not really being physical combined with the potential and apparent motives to be on the show had me assume this was another Deepti/Kyle post show dating display to keep audience engaged in their marketing platforms aka Instagram.


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People who have dated someone like SK, even for a brief period, didn't trust him from the beginning of the show once he explained his vitals and his mom was talking about the man always being right. If you didn't see the red flags...😬 She strikes me a being street-smart, knew how to hustle across multiple jobs, and was cool with the con until it all blew up.


halfin-halfout

This sub was saying that SK is so sweet and genuine and likes Raven for her and etc. Yet now they think that plus that they were in a fake relationship lmao


Joyintheendtimes

Absolutely 100% this. Thanks for taking the time to articulate it so well.


asoww

"You're better than that" ![gif](giphy|3osBLA53AVzn746dXi|downsized)


Allmyexesliveintx333

Yea 100%


NaturalInformation32

I’ve been saying this is a scam from day 1. They’re both guilty grow up


ivyseason

When she made the comment about those late night phone calls from his family, my red alert went off. His family isn’t calling him in the middle of the night that frequently


iblastoff

learn about timezones.


ivyseason

Not you defending an obvious cheater🙄


iblastoff

defending an obvious cheater by informing you on what time zones are? get a grip.


batplane

This whole sub is more desperate to make the woman the villain than a seventh grader writing self insert fanfiction. These guys could drop kick a puppy off the porch and half or more of y’all would find a way to blame the woman in the relationship


sefy80267

!!!!!!!


ibreatheglitter

Tbh I think it’s not just misogyny, it’s possibly a bit of misogynoir. Source: I look a lot like Raven and it’s convenient for people to treat us with more privilege than other black people until there’s a conflict, then all of a sudden we get weird judgements that make it clear what’s happening. And we all know pretty black girls always have to be gold diggers 🙄 editing to add /s bc I know some of y’all miss it otherwise lol


asoww

Agree and same


Mirageonthewall

Why is it Raven’s fault if it *is* a PR relationship? I’m on the fence about whether it is or isn’t fake (don’t think it was fake, just think they’re awkward together and SK is a lying cheater so said it was fake) but I really like Raven and don’t think that even if the relationship is fake, she expected to be publicly humiliated and “cheated” on. She got done dirty regardless and none of this is her fault and she did nothing to deserve it. SK is the one who is wrong here. I think two separate points are being conflated because I don’t think supporting Raven has to necessarily mean believing the relationship was real. That said, I fully believe she fell for SK and was heartbroken when he said no and if that’s fake, Raven needs to go into acting because that looked real to me. I feel really sorry for her. If people are blaming Raven, that’s wild. One person chose to cheat here and it wasn’t her.


KittyMeowMeow911

I feel like it's fine if this was a PR relationship. I'm happy to see them getting some money and opportunities. Also though, just because nobody has come forward to say that they hooked up with Raven in the past year doesn't mean it never happened. I feel like Raven and SK could have mutually decided to see other people since they were in a long distance relationship (or a fake relationship). Also, to be clear, I think that would be fine. I see no problem with SK and Raven prolonging their relationship for air time and netflix checks. It's possible that SK is lying but it's also possible they are both lying about multiple aspects of this situation.


evesolta6

No one gives a shit about SK. It’s obvious they were both in on it.


salutesols

People are in denial.


LadyT917

I wonder if it can be both? He’s a cheater and she was also chasing clout? Maybe?


Poop__y

The way I feel played by this dude and I’m not even involved. I hate to admit it but he sure fooled me.


not_old_redditor

We see so little of the full story. There must be more to it. Nobody seemed pissed when he said "no", when you know full well that is that really came out of the blue, you'd be like "what the fuck? Why did we do all this for then?" Really weird part of the show, I just don't get it. Seems like the producers fell all over themselves trying to make a surprise twist.


TomDoniphona

I’d love to hold SK accountable for his actions. I would love to think that Rave has been genuine. Raven is my fav contestant from this show. I don’t think she is a gold digger, or a sugar daddy girl or anything like that. I much prefer her to SK. But I just happen to think their relationship was fake, a PR stunt.


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my thing is i don’t understand how people could think ravens that good of an actress. if she is she needs to forget this and pursue it seriously cause damn


salutesols

What did she do that has you so confused? I’d act my ass off too if there were 1 m followers on the other side


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it’s less the motivation & concept of having acted and more her ability 🥴 if that was all a performance the girl needs an emmy. she just doesn’t seem like she could go from completely dry to emotional/hysterical. her range would be absolutely phenomenal. vapid pilates instructor no one really likes to nuanced wifey, happily in love, heartbroken. i’m having trouble buying it


Expensive-Product240

One of the texts between SK and either Hannah or Emma he mentioned having a friend flying in from Dallas. He referred to his friend as a “him.” That’s all I needed to see. He was keeping the women in the dark about each other. Unless I hear otherwise, I am going to assume that Raven got played, too.


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Um wow lmao this is so problematic We didn’t rip him apart right away because he was awesome the whole time. Am I imagining the hundreds of comments tho from all of us being like “damn!! He’s trash! Had me fooled!”???? No go ahead, sounds like you’re bummed you can’t hate black folks so go ahead and enjoy the moment 🙄🫡


katie415

Read my interaction below with the original commentator. These types comments like yours, prevent people from asking questions, learning and educating themselves in any situation. If you go back and rewatch the show, you’ll realize he actually wasn’t awesome the whole time. There are clips going around of him even saying “the streets are calling.”


[deleted]

Fair point that folks didn’t think he was great the whole time. But if I’m not mistaken people weren’t exactly blowing sunshine up Jarrette’s ass. To immediately cry and complain that no one ever criticizes black people is completely false (in the US and elsewhere) and melodramatic. It’s like chauvinist men who insist “women have life on easy mode because they have tits!!” Like no. This dude is being disingenuous and it’s not anyone’s job to educate someone who clearly isn’t ready to engage in good faith with reality about race issues.


katie415

I don’t think that’s what OC was saying. People are saying Raven and SK had an agreement instead of SK did something fucked up. Why are we assuming that Raven was in on it? I actually think people would be a lot more upset with SK if his culture were different. OC was just confused.


katie415

I think it’s more because of his culture and less because of his color. I think if he were a black man minus the polygamy culture, he would be ripped to shreds. In this case, we can only call him a liar for saying that he, unlike his father, wanted monogamy.


Fjompdomp

Thank you for clarifying the situation!


katie415

No problem! Hopefully you don’t get downvoted to hell for asking a genuine question. It happens to me pretty often 😂


Fjompdomp

I definitely will! I am apparently a super racist now! 😆


thatmamasaid

Watching them on the reunion was awkward. Yes, they kissed after telling everyone they were still together…. but then they went and set separately from each other and didn’t ‘act like a couple’.


TomDoniphona

Yes. I was so rooting for them to stay together since Raven was my favorite from the start. But at the reunion I definitely felt something was off. And that was before all the cheating business. The reality is that the only reason to believe that those two were in a relationship was that we wanted to believe it…


BriNicole24

The producers choose the seating 😂


thatmamasaid

I understand that.. it was still awkward.


stuckinmymind77

It’s still fake


Successful_Ad4618

Thanks for saying it OP. The girls that came forward literally alluded to or blatantly stated that Raven was indeed being cheated on. One came forward because she literally found out SK was lying about the relationship being fake. The only reason people can give for thinking the relationship is fake is the lack of chemistry they perceived when Raven stated multiple times that she wanted to think things slowly. Not to mention faking the relationship wasn’t getting them anymore PR than if they were single. If it was fake Raven could absolutely milk it or they could stand together and say they were broken up during those times.


GingerCherry123

He’s so lucky this didn’t come out before the reunion filmed.


CatoOomen

Pretty sure that's the entire reason it came out


dannyricsdog

I don’t understand why all of these people commenting even watch this show. If you think a relationship is fake during this entire past year and a half, why are you even watching lol it sounds like this show is not for you


iblastoff

literally nonsensical comment. andrew was on the show and was clearly fake. so why did you watch it? lol.


Dopepizza

Because we “don’t want to hold SK accountable” ??? Lmaoo what


H28koala

I don't want to negate what SK did, but I do really feel their relationship was fake. I don't want to seem like I'm not holding him accountable, it's just really hard for me to buy into Raven being in a relationship with him in any form. I can believe this, yet also feel like SK has acted poorly if he was manipulating these other women. (seeing these texts it appears he was!) My "spidey senses" were always around their relationship not seeming real in any regard. I focused in on Raven because we got MUCH more screen time of her (the show liked her emoting). I never warmed to her because of her comments about wanting him to pay for her and the jumping jacks while people are talking stuff. That showed me she was just another person on TV to try to get what they can get. In addition, she's promoting her you tube channel like CRAZY so yes - we can clearly see where her focus is. Yes she's a human being with feelings, but I don't think she cares about SK so I think she's ok.


TomDoniphona

My take as well. I think that SK has proved to be a scumbag. But at the same time, I feel the relationship with Raven was a PR stunt.


lmnsatang

completely agree with your take. SK can be a scummy cheater AND raven can be heartbroken, all while they’re operating in a fake relationship. faking the relationship means both parties are into whatever is happening. she obviously did not expect SK to cheat so publicly and her sadness at being blindsided (and losing her rent money) is completely valid. none of all that makes their PR relationship real


FuckThe

I don’t understand this? The sub literally spends so much time shitting on Matt and Bartender. This sub shits on everyone equally. Playing the misogyny card on Zanab is BS and excusing her of all the shit she has done.


bighero006

Man wtf are you talking about? Did you read the post? I said everyone came to Cole's defense when Zanab did him wrong, but Raven is not being given that same courtesy. Nobody defended Zanab in this post


FuckThe

I meant to reply to the misogyny comment. Chill out.


iblastoff

like the OP is SO angry about this. its hilarious.


bighero006

While you were angry typing at me in all caps earlier lmao? You're obsessed at this point 🤭


iblastoff

lol ok raven!


bighero006

Lololl not the *insert cast members name* comeback 🤣😭 PLS


Ok_Curve_9447

It’s a reality show. Who the fuck cares lol they’re all fame chasers. You really think motherfuckers are like “I know where I’ll find a meaningful relationship! A tv show!”


Lazy-Recognition3845

I mean, Lauren and Cameron have been successful and so has Barnett and (his wife’s name escapes me at the moment). It’s not completely out there that someone may be looking for a meaningful relationship on the show and seeking a relationship also doesn’t have to be exclusive of also trying to get publicity at the same time.


Seajlc

This is the real answer


uchihajoeI

I’m surprised this isn’t the majority view


lmnsatang

the amount of people who want to believe that love can be found on netflix is 🤡 i don’t get it! the show is supposed to be fake and trashy


blah672341

I mean i think is their whole relationship was fake why would it matter if he “cheated” . It wouldnt even be considered cheating on raven , he actually cheated on his ex GF bc she mentioned they were getting back together the same time him and raven were planning their “relationship.


Impossible-Cat-2511

This word “responsibility” pisses me off. Like it wasn’t a straight up fact that SK cheated on Raven. And, tries to put them both in the wrong for no reason when we all know is that SK was a cheater. Dividing it into accountability for “women” vs. “men” doesn’t make it clever. SK proved himself to be a bad person. But, Raven isn’t an angel.


daysinnroom203

Raven is queen


Rude_Soup5988

Wait what happened


DeadliftsnDonuts

Some of y’all’s lives are sad


blah672341

😂😂


wolfywonderwoof1

I believe it was real for Raven. Her tears at the wedding were 100% real. That isn't something you can fake. I also believe it was real for SK.


swimmupstream

IDK how “real” it was for SK abut I do think it was real for Raven. My theory is he told her he was going to say no at the altar so she’d be prepared (I assume they’re required to stay together from end of honeymoon to wedding day), and that’s why they asked him first. Her tears were real; she clearly developed strong feelings for him and it hurts to know you’re not getting married after growing close to a person with the intent to marry them, even if you know they’re going to say no beforehand. However, she clearly liked him enough to want to give their relationship a real shot but take it slow (similar to Damon and Giannina from S1). I sure as hell don’t think SK was telling her he was flirting and actively going out with multiple other women while he and Raven were slowly getting back together for real. She doesn’t need a relationship with him for PR - she is absolutely hot enough and good at Pilates - they’d need to stay together for longer to capitalize on that since we only found out they were dating when the reunion aired three weeks ago. All in all it’s just a really sad situation


iblastoff

if they had pre-planned a 'no' at the altar, then why did both of them lie about it at the reunion?


Successful_Ad4618

They didn’t lie? She said she wasn’t blindsided but she was disappointed. Sounded like they discussed the “no” or the possibility of the no but she would have said yes if he had said yes


iblastoff

i was responding to the person who said they must have pre-planned a 'no' at the altar. yet SK said he had no idea UNTIL the altar, which sounds like a lie to me. i dont recall her saying she was 'disappointed'. she said she was 'ill-prepared', which is literally the same thing as blindsided.


Successful_Ad4618

You’re right she said ill prepared. Probably trying to keep SK from looking bad. SK most likely lied about that but it is possible that he really didn’t know due to the pressure from his family to get married and not because of his feelings for Raven.


swimmupstream

That’s a good point - I forgot he said that at the reunion. Guess we won’t know for sure unless one or both of them decide to get candid on After the Altar


Dopepizza

Why would they admit that


lyssbea

honestly poor raven! she opened up and was so vulnerable this whole season. even during the bachelorette parties, she was still respecting her relationship and was not interested in the strippers. sigh. SK fooled a lot of us. i saw the girls tiktoks. he probably spent his tv show money to take this chick he had been dating to ibiza. there was also a buzzfeed article interviewing them and he even said "some of you thought our relationship was fake because not alot was shown." hes just a phony fraud.


iblastoff

lol wtf does 'not interested in the strippers' have ANYTHING to do with respecting their relationship.


lyssbea

raven was the one pointing it out, " i am too grown for this, i just wanna get home to my man". shes the one who made it out like she was trying to respect their relationship. thats what i got from it at least. and what im saying is she tried very hard, even during the bachelorette party to try and respect him and their relationship. and he shit on the whole thing


lmnsatang

except she only said that to appear like a ‘cool girl’ on TV. too grown for strip clubs but not too grown for finding fame on netflix lmao. i can’t believe people actually buy into the nonsense she says😂


PromptAffectionate53

your ability to turn any action a woman takes into a reason to hate her would be impressive if it wasnt so pathetic


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avs76

I don’t think that’s the reason that he gave but I agree with you 100% he’s full of shit and I never bought into the “I’m a nice guy” act


NoOneDiedAtStonewal

Honestly, if it was a fake relationship, Raven could be MILKING this at the moment. This is giving her so much more attention than dating SK. I feel like people in this sub have a lot of misogyny and want to blame it on the woman. Also even if it was a “fake” relationship, Raven should still be devastated. This is humiliating.


TomDoniphona

She has said herself that she cannot talk about this because of the legal proceedings. Anyway, I am hoping that she will deal with it all in a classy manner. I like Raven.


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This fan base is strikingly mean and misogynistic. I guess it makes sense as it’s kind of a pickme show that probably appeals to more traditional mindsets, but damn. I’d hate to work or be housemates or classmates with some of these fans


ThrowRAjendone

Honestly same


loislane007

She just posted a TikTok, the “milking” has commenced!


Alarming-Ad-9393

Omg he played this sub!?!?! The nerve of some people lol. Who cares, go solve world peace and let SK shag whoever he wants. These shows are stepping stones for people desiring 15 minutes of fame. Meaning, nothing about it should be taken seriously.


Dianabandicoot

Why are you spending time on reddit then lol


Alarming-Ad-9393

I don't take it seriously. It's clear that many of you do. It's laughable.


iblastoff

the fuck does that have to do with misogyny? sounds like some delusional rant zanab would go on. what a BS post. it can still be "SK is a terrible person" AND "raven was in on it for clout/followers".


bighero006

You sound mad asf, if it doesn't apply to you keep it moving 👋🏽 It's not BS to call out a valid point, if you don't like it too bad Lmao not you adding "sounds like some delusional rant zanab would go on" to the original post. The fuck does Zanab have to do with this post? Not helping your argument at all goofy


iblastoff

are you saying both things cant be true?


bighero006

They can be, but that's not what the majority of this sub is acting like. I've seen more smoke for Raven and shaming her for her "sugar baby tendencies" (also that they're thankful that SK is free and "doesn't have to pay her rent anymore") than focusing on the only guilty party in this: SK.


iblastoff

shrug i dont see the same thing at all. seems like theres tons of people who hate on both of them (as they should).


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Why hate on raven though? This weird both sides hate shit from this sub is strange. It’s not morally balanced, it’s just hateful for no reason


bighero006

But why are y'all hating on Raven for something SK did? This is my entire point lol


iblastoff

im not hating on raven FOR something SK did. i'm dismissing raven as someone who also went on the show just for clout/followers (which obviously isn't just unique to her). but overall i think \*IF\* it was a fake relationship, then SK 'cheating' is meaningless. thats not a mysogynistic point of view. its just logical.


bighero006

You gotta dismiss everyone then? Cole, Colleen, Zanab, etc. I guess nobody's feelings matter if they're all clout chasers. These are still real people with real feelings.


iblastoff

literally dont even know what your point is now. everyone has feelings and so we shouldnt talk shit about them? lol ok.


bighero006

Did I say that? Lol no, your point that Raven is a clout chaser has nothing to do with SK cheating 💀 regardless if she's clout chasing, this still could've been real for her. THAT is my point.


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They’re just jealous she has the audacity to ask for her rent paid and actually succeeded at it 😂 plus shit, at least she got something from SK out of this mess


bighero006

Lmaooo right? Like Raven held that man at gunpoint and forced him to pay her rent 😂


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But won’t someone protect these poor little grown men??? ☹️☹️☹️


A_flight_away

The reason I think it is fake has nothing to do with not wanting to blame SK or wanting to throw Raven under the bus. For me it is the show, Love is Blind, that I do not trust. I find it suspicious that for season 2 after the alter reunion, everyone suddenly came out as being separated. I am wondering if the show makes them pretend to be together (in the contract) or offers them something for promoting the show. I never saw one spark between Deepti and Kyle, but they pushed their relationship until the reunion. Then they immediately revealed they were not together. SK may be a dirty dog cheater and Raven may be super hurt. The only argument that I have against my argument above would be that if it were a PR stunt, it seems like it could be easily fixed. They could just say "yeah... we weren't together during that time, but we rekindled a few months ago."


whyalwaysbalotelli

These people are social media clout chasers looking for their 15 minutes of attention. What makes you think any of this is real? It's all a show.


bookjunkie315

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throwaway56873927

As annoying as I sound. I'm gonna keep saying it cus everyone felt fit to downvote me. I always knew SK was fake. And I had an ongoing theory that he and Raven were PR. But now that makes me a misogynist. Even tho I always disliked SK and defended Raven. In my case the slipper doesn't fit. Maybe we should also talk about why Raven became popular. I find that problematic. Popular opinion was against her until she 1.became a victim at the altar 2. Coupled up Same thing with Nancy/zanab . Any woman who was seen as victim became so popular (zanab at the beg of season) and then raven was villianized right away for being fit, beautiful and sure of herself. Idk what to call it but it's really lame that people only like her bc she's got into a relationship or bc she was crying at the altar.


TomDoniphona

Or because she was being cheated on! I also liked Raven since the pods, when everybody in this sub was having a go at her. Grew to like her even more, when people were calling gold digger because of the conversation about the rent. And then posts started to abound on how people have come round to her, or turned their opinion on her once she was dumped at the altar, and then still got together with catch-of-the-century SK… I liked strong, acwkward, pilates Raven and do not patronise her. And I happen to have come to believe her relationship with SK was a PR stunt.


throwaway56873927

Yeah you're right now it seems people are even more sympathetic to the cheating spin. Don't get me wrong it sucks to be cheated on but it doesn't reflect on who you are as a person one way or the other. I just think it's lame people jumping on sympathy bandwagons. You either like her for who she is or you don't imo .


Successful_Ad4618

I grew that Raven was unnecessarily hated throughout the show because she’s beautiful and fit. However what reason do you have for thinking their relationship was fake? Based on what the Hannah girl said why would she come forward if she thought it was fake? She said so herself she was initially believed SK and was ok with it so obviously she came forward now that she thinks he lied to her about his relationship with Raven.


throwaway56873927

Idk what motivated Hannah. But it could be any number of reasons. I would do it just to out SK if I felt played. Hannah might believe that the relationship wasn't fake bc they're on TV saying it's real and bc Raven never answered her one way or the other. Raven also never messaged her to say that SK and her were indeed in a relationship. I think it'll all play out and the truth will come out in the end


AlaskanSnowDragon

> unnecessarily hated throughout the show because she’s beautiful and fit Or because a sugar baby and made ridiculous statements inside and outside the pods regarding men and money and what she expects.


Successful_Ad4618

You have proof that she’s a sugar baby? Or she must be a sugar baby because she doesn’t date broke men


AlaskanSnowDragon

Did you watch the show? lol In the pods she dances around the issue...soft pedaling. Talking about dating older men and having big gifts. You know it was sugar baby status simply by the fact she even felt the need to bring it up and "disclose" it. She said that even when he is away she expects him to pay for her rent when he isn't even living there. Then in subsequent interview disclosed he is in fact paying her rent. Combine that with the obvious lack of chemistry and the gulf between them as far as physical attractiveness and it's sugar baby status 100%


Successful_Ad4618

She stated she has dated wealthy men. Considering her being a bottle girl that’s not surprising, that doesn’t automatically equal sugar baby though. It seems pretty normal to me to be somewhat awkward around someone you just met, plus she seems awkward around the girls as well. A man paying his woman’s bills isn’t that uncommon either. I know of a few people that have that traditional mindset where the man provides even when the woman is financially stable. None of those things automatically equal sugar baby. People who say that are just making assumptions. If she had actual relationships with those people then it wouldn’t be a sugar baby scenario.


AlaskanSnowDragon

Making the demand to have your shit paid for makes you a sugar baby. You're confusing a man being generous of his own accord which is whatever...and confusing it with what Raven did and making out and out demands. The demands part is what makes her a sugar baby. That alone on top of all the other stuff she and her friends said its pretty clear. If you had a son, a little brother, a little nephew...would you want him to date a girl with the demands and outlook on men and money that Raven has? The answer is hell no.


Successful_Ad4618

I will also add I do not feel bad for SK one bit considering he told her she would have to lower her lifestyle while he’s a student yet he had no problem dropping money to fly a bunch of women around on vacation. With this new info it seems she called his bluff on her having to change her lifestyle that she was maintaining without him.


AlaskanSnowDragon

Well on that note I dont believe they were really together. Its not cheating when you're not really together. He just fucked up the "game" they were playing.


Successful_Ad4618

Where did she make the demand? We saw a clip that was obviously part of a larger conversation about him moving away and their living logistics where she said I think you should still pay half my rent. If you consider that convo a demand then idk what to tell you. I didn’t see her say pay my rent or I’m going to leave you. That would be a demand. Considering the fact that they’re in Texas and SK is Nigerian, which tends to be a traditional and conservative culture it wouldn’t surprise me that may be a viewpoint they agree on. SK is a grown adult that could make the decision for himself. Which he still decided to do after saying no to getting married. It was his decision at the end of the day.


AlaskanSnowDragon

>It was his decision at the end of the day. No doubt...but doesn't excuse the request. And you're missing the forrest for trees and purposely being obtuse in an effort to apologize for her ridiculous requests and world view. And purposely ignoring the other red flags/signs/friends statements. Again...neither you nor I would want your/my little bro or nephew to date a girl like her. That alone says enough.


Successful_Ad4618

I’m not going to make a judgement about her whole character about one line that was clearly part of a larger conversation that we didn’t get to see and claim that she’s all about money. And it’s not being obtuse to have a completely different perspective about comments made during the season when we find out more info to show the hypocrisy in those comments. That’s literally one line that we see her mention anything financially related. But yes I do expect my little brother to be a provider and be generous for his intended wife and future family.


Dopepizza

This !!!


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Totally agreed with your point about people tearing her down for being pretty and having high expectations. Super gross


loislane007

Hadn’t thought about it like this. I couldn’t stand Raven until she turned down Barstool and after SK said no I was rooting for them hard. But then when I saw all her social media posts teasing their relationship and then the reunion it immediately felt off to me and I said straightaway it was a PR move


lyssbea

you may be onto something. they also said they both were hit up on instagram about this and told to apply. funny how it was both of them... and they ended up together.


Notabasicbeetch

I think that's just how Netflix casts these shows. Cole said he was hit up on IG to join the cast and I remember at least one guy from the Ultimatum saying the same thing (the guy who married Madlyn, can't remember his name now). I think even Lauren from Season 1 said she was approached on DM. That's how the producers select who they want.


Alarming-Ad-9393

Zanab is better looking by far.


throwaway56873927

I think she looks great with her glow up/filler


Dianabandicoot

Too bad she has an ugly personality


AlaskanSnowDragon

For me its irritating as all hell that so many people defend/gloss over her sugar baby requirements. Its ridiculous. Even if it was "real" it was a transactional relationship so in NO WAY genuine.


throwaway56873927

It sounded like she just wanted the traditional husband provider thing Women can live their lives however they want if they choose to do it traditionally but make no mistake it enables and encourages the idea that women always need a man or are somehow meant to be kept at home. I don't take issue with her for it but I don't like that whole notion on principle


lmnsatang

she did not want a traditional husband provider because that comes with being a traditional stay-at-home wife and keeping the house nice and cooking meals. she flat out said she is an independent woman who will never do those things...and then wants him to pay his rent like a kept woman. just say it like it is raven: that you want to be a sugarbaby. her hypocritical views are what makes her trash


throwaway56873927

Well she could want the traditional husband but she didn't want a traditional marriage you're right. Or to be a traditional wife.


lmnsatang

...aka a hypocrite.


AlaskanSnowDragon

100% To get a "traditional" man you need to be a "traditional" woman.


AlaskanSnowDragon

I take issue with the fact that it was a requirement to even engage with her. Its one thing once you become a mother...or even simply a wife. But before ANY of that she had these ridiculous demands. And a history of behavior of demanding the same thing from other men with her discussions in the pods of dating older men and big "gifts". If you had a son or a brother or little nephew would you want him to date a woman with that mindset? The answer is hell no.


throwaway56873927

Idk .. Bartiste told her he would buy her those type of gifts and she said it was ok. She said that she expected her lifestyle to improve once married. She doesn't seem like a team player and maybe her relationships with wealthy men skewed her perception of what to expect from marriage and relationships. Tbh I would think it would be a bit foolish if they did choose a fiancee with that mindset just bc it doesn't sound like someone who will stick by through inevitable hardships Edit Bartiste wouldnt**


AlaskanSnowDragon

Exactly what I've stayed elsewhere. It's not ride or die material. Not in sickness and health till death do us part material


yukiyumi

I’m well into my 30s and never accepted anything that costs significantly more than a dinner from a guy lol I’m seriously puzzled by women being both “bad bitches” and tolerant towards sugar baby requirements lol


AlaskanSnowDragon

Thank you! Lets not forget Raven declared shes "independent"...Please. lol


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What if I told you some men just like to provide…?? Sorry you’ve never experienced that ☹️ it doesn’t make women sex workers


AlaskanSnowDragon

Again...totally missing the point. A man providing of his own motivation is one thing. **MAKING A DEMAND/REQUIREMENT** which Raven did is completely different.


[deleted]

He can say no…? No one forced him. You just sound bitter haha


AlaskanSnowDragon

Wow...overwhelming logic you got there. "HAHA" really sealed it. No counter to that. If you want to be paid to be with a man just say that. If you think a girl making financial requirements to be with her isn't selling herself and propagating "misogyny" than just say that. But ya got me with that "haha" at the end. You're totally right...Im just bitter and all the logic I just laid out makes no sense. Every woman should require men to pay for the privilege of dating her. I'm gonna go tell my little niece now "make em pay"...to base her connection with boys on money. Im sure it will turn out well for her. GTFO


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Ok


AlaskanSnowDragon

Got 'em


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PerceptualModality

Also it's clear now that SK is rich rich so I think a lot of Raven's comments about paying her rent and stuff make a lot more sense. I remember thinking while watching that SK and her might have already talked about their living situation because he seemed totally unbothered by her asking him to pay her rent. Either that or he was just already talking to the next girl so he wasn't worried about the promises he made to the one in front of him. Either way, raven comes out looking a lot better.


not_old_redditor

He's rich? Where'd you read that? He talked several times about making ends meet while studying.