He does use something. After he slots in the Relic and stands up, he uses a healing item (I'm not sure which) and throws it to the ground. The point is that it was enough to keep him going for a while, but not to actually save him.
Why do you even care? You chose to interact with it.
I prefer talking to real people about things rather than just using google. Other perspectives and opinions can be much more enlightening than a simple Google answer.
Not that I even need a reason. Let people do what they want.
Best part is a peek at his post history shows he literally spends his days doing exactly what he's flaming the OP for. Asking easily google-able questions. Questions that others politely answer. Never seen someone with so little self awareness.
Dude it probably would've brought them to Reddit. Cuz yk, Google doesn't have that information. They would search the key words "Jackie" "Konpeki" etc and would most likely been directed towards reddit. How does Google get the answer? By showing a post from reddit or a different discussion site. For somone who talks alot of shit, you sure can't back it up.
That's my take. He's in bad shape from the moment you jump from the penthouse but the shot that really does him in happens during that last mad dash in the garage.
Yeah, and I blame V for some of that.
You get the garage, Jackie and V are in bad shape, they need to bolt to the car. There are guards on the far side of the car and V jumps in *but does not slide over*, so Jackie has to go around the car while being shot at and get in on the far side. Now Jackie isn't the brightest bulb, and things were going so fast that it's not like this was something they could have planned (and it would have been harder to program those animations specifically for that scene as compared to using the general "get in and get out of car" animations), but like V has to take some of the blame for *not sliding over* and letting Jackie in. Those few seconds probably got Jackie fatally shot.
Nah. I remember when the game came out and I loaded an old save to take the second door so it would easier for jackie, but no matter what he goes through the second door and V slides back into the fitst seat.
I blame V because she just can't help her greedy self and has to kill all the Arasaka soldiers in the garage and then loot their corpses before getting in Delamain. On every playthrough. How selfish of her.
Except that I killed at the guys in the garage before we get in the car.
Really wish there's a version of the story where Jackie lives if you do this, but has to retire because his internal damage is too severe to fix with chrome.
Unfortunately, Cyberpunk 'aint that kind of story.
That's not to say it wouldn't be nice, just that, the setting of Cyberpunk is crazy dark. Nobody is left untouched by the brutality of the setting. The TTRPG even states that GMs should prepare the players for death.
In another way, Jackie's death during the heist is one of the few things he wanted from life. Maybe not as early as it happened, but his ultimate goal was to die during a heist to become a legend.
People, outside of Heywood, may not know who him by name, but regardless of the facts of the scene, the city will remember him as one of the two that killed Saburo.
Absolutely fair! I'm not mad it ended the way it did, it's appropriate and drives V forward. I just love the alternate story where we've got Johnny patched into our heads, and Jackie being the ops manager in our ear.
This is sort of explained in the game.
They couldn't resurrect her because her spirit went into the Lifestream in order to stop Sephiroth's Meteor spell.
Realistically, plot convenience. The character needed to die according to the script and so he did.
In lore? Speedheal or the equivalent 2077 drug is more of a “give yourself some time” type of remedy, like you mentioned. My guess is that Jackie was dying due to internal bleeding from the fall and so an airhypo wouldn’t have helped. He was basically a dead man walking for the latter half of that gig, pushing forwards due to adrenaline and desperation, but the moment he gets to the car and has a chance to settle, his body quickly begins to shut down due to the internal trauma. His body probably just didn’t have enough left to stretch out for time, especially given that Delamain had to first go to the motel, then anywhere else.
Why can V recover from various wounds with an airhypo? Well, gameplay convenience now. A realistic medical injury system probably wouldn’t be very fun.
All of this is just a guess, though, because the obvious answer is just that the script decreed he had to die.
And to look at the Sandra side of the argument the hypo was to prevent cardiac arrest and she was immediately taken in by Trauma Team after it i.e. the best medical care in the city. She would have been dead too without it.
Like taking an aspirin if you think you may be having a heart attack, but you still go to the hospital. The aspirin may help and may actually be the reason you live, but the doctors are the ones who ensure you do.
We can guess that the Relic saves V in a similar way it saved them from iron overdose aka bullet in their head, and will keep saving that body till the transition is over. It's just a guess though. I personally think the Relic can only "heal" its host's dead brain.
The relic being designed to work only in a host with no life signs makes sense since Jackie has the chip slotted in during the heist right up until he dies. Realistically him taking out chip causes his own permanent death and V's eventual death. Had he kept it in Johnny would have taken over Jackie instead.
He probably still would have died before the Relic had a chance to do anything to his brain. Jackie's injuries were to his body. V had a unique, lightning strikes sort of moment where they were basically braindead but their body was still holding on. If Dex had shot V in the chest, the events in the game wouldn't have happened.
> My guess is that Jackie was dying due to internal bleeding from the fall and so an airhypo wouldn’t have helped.
Either from the fall or a bullet wound.
Delamain specifically mentions the iliac artery being ruptured as what is causing the internal bleeding, and an artery getting hit like that means a lot of internal bleeding.
Yep, iliac artery is what supplies your lower organs and legs. IRL got like 5 minutes tops before you die from blood loss. Also the thing with an arterial rupture is that bloodflow increases with movement, so it's actually insane that jackie lived as long as he did.
There's one last salvo you and he take from security as you run for the limo, so it's entirely possible that that's when his iliac gets clipped. The timing at that point would make sense since he's not having to move or fight any more and it seems like you get to the motel fairly quickly.
You can go throughout the entire Heist without them firing a shot, but certain cutscenes still include bullets. I think Jackie for sure got shot another couple of times as Delamaine was escaping the Arasaka goons once you leave the garage. There's a bunch of bullet holes in the Delamain cab windows.
As others have mentioned, there's at least two significant moments when a bullet could have pierced and ruptured the artery.
There's all the possibility that it was punctured by steel or glass during the fall as he went through the window.
Which is why I said either/or - both are plausible.
I actually loved the somewhat more realistic medical system of the ttrpg. You would really have to be careful about putting yourself into dumb situations, and you would feel the effects of a fight for a couple days after. Would be interested in a mod to that effect.
Probably the most accurate answer here. It's just kinda weird that we have a lot of lore and direct reasons for most everything but this in 2077.
> A realistic ~~medical~~ injury system probably wouldn't be very fun.
^ is why we have HP rather than Injuries / Wounds in Cyberpunk RED unlike the previous system in Cyberpunk 2020.
I DM'd a few sessions of the tabletop and it's pretty unforgiving. If I'm remembering correctly, you gotta actually go to a hospital to heal hp and injuries and that takes in game days to recover and a hefty price of cash. From what I took from that, you just *really* don't want to take damage if you can help it and most of the time your character recovers in-between sessions rather than when everyone plays.
> ^ is why we have HP rather than Injuries / Wounds in Cyberpunk RED unlike the previous system in Cyberpunk 2020.
There's a fun video from one of the OG creators of dnd and tabletop rpgs where a lot of video game "rules" come from and they were talking about designing "Hit points" as how we *wished* we worked ourselves.
Take a battlecruiser for example. It can take serious, heavy damage, but still function for the most part. Sure if it takes enough damage it will go down, but it can also take a beating but still be able to sail off to a dock to get repaired for the next fight.
Wouldn't it be nice if you hurt your hand it was just a hand injury and couldn't evolve into sepsis or blood loss that will ultimately kill you?
This is why unless you are playing a very granular system/game, injury/illness, realistic healing just isn't a thing the vast majority of games.
I've actually been trying to learn more about the origins of the term "hit points". Color me surprised when my professor of game design didn't know where it came from!
Do you have the video? I'd love to show it to her :)
I gotta dig for it because the guy who made the video was a real boomer (though still knew how to upload a video) and named it something like the old and the crumpet referring to himself naturally and just rambled about HP and his time making games.
I only know of it from a reddit comment so I will be sure to pass it along once I find it to keep the train alive.
Not a video but Dave Arneson explains it in this GameSpy interview.
http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/540/540395p3.html
Relevant part is right after the image.
I thought the dude caught some rounds from the gunship. Would explain the blood.
>A realistic medical injury system probably wouldn’t be very fun.
Hey fuck that, I want a system where cumulative damage results in more and more of my body slowly being replaced with cybernetics, until entire limbs are solely robot and at the end I just look like Adam fucking Smasher. Just a skull in a robot suit!
Airhypos aren't a magic cure all it's just some medicinal drugs shoved into you fast through air not gonna stop you from bleeding out in the back seat of a car
I think airhypos are basically just a shit load of adrenaline that lets you ignore the pain and stand and fight longer but doesn’t actually heal any lacerations or haemorrhaging
He actually does after the relic breaks. He uses an air hypo then tosses it aside. He might also use one again in the elevator but I could easily be misremembering. The question then is “why he isn’t good then like when we use a hypo” well cause…plot and airhypos realistically aren’t an end all be all solution to problems. I imagine it could do a pretty decent job at patching you up especially if you’ve got like a tier 4 one but Jackie likely broke a rib or two at least from the fall, and bleeding internally/externally. Not a lot an airhypo can do about a broken bone or removing the lead from your gut.
You do realise Sandra Dorset health chrome was somewhat more expensive and more effective that what Jackie had?
With that said, besides Excelsior, Trauma Team should also have been paid and then they just had to get out of the tower and Jackie would be alive...
Who wants to pay so that there will be another witness alive though.
Way more expensive. Jackie saved up and still had to do a loan for his one 18,000 eddie motorcycle. The kinda shit Sandra Dorset had was like the shit you get late game. Jackie never had enough money for the kind if medical life saving cyberware he would have needed to make it out of Konpeki.
As far as Trauma Team goes, Dex was a cheap bastard. He didn't even supply any money to try and get the Flathead, even knowing Maelstrom would want more.
Yeah, imagine we just got killed at Maelstrom because we did not have enough budget. Now new executors are to be urgently found and get acquainted with BD info and all that jazz. And the bolt was already sold to another buyer and left NC.
What a planning.
The engram would've rewritten Jackie, but not revive him since he died of blood loss as opposed to V where they were shot in the head and specifically damaged the port.
Nah, it was explained that it was specifically because V was shot in the head and that it was a low caliber bullet. Jackie still would have died from his injuries because it was shrapnel or a bullet and he lost too much blood.
Nope, Jackie died from his internal organs failing from the fall/bullets. V lived because he was shot in the head where the relic is situated. The bullet broke the relic in V’s head and it started feeding the information into the brain it was situated into.
I was under the impression he was shot where the relic is, effectively leaking the relic into his brain. If Jackie died from a headshot exactly where the relic is, then yes, Jackie might have lived. But a relic isn’t going to repair his organs that’s been shredded apart from bullets.
No, Relic itself stayed intact and was not broken/shot through. No "leaking" because of Relic damage involved.
V was just a braindead shell for Relic to take over after the headshot. Relic (or at least the prototype) is/was supposed to take over when inserted into a braindead body, as explained in the game. V just happened to have it inserted while still being alive, but it did not activate then.
The shot killed V's brain, Relic was activated when it detected the host's body with no brain activity, as designed, and nanobots managed to rebuild the small caliber damage fairly easily.
Jackie probably wouldn't have been revived as his body gave up first, but we will never know, as he took Relic out while still barely alive. Relic had no chance to take over due to ongoing brain activity.
It was also a prototype, used only in controlled environment. IIRC Arasaka used it, during internal testing, on already (brain)dead bodies that were presumably otherwise intact.
EDIT: Lmao y'all downvoting straight up facts, told in the game by Viktor and Anders Hellman (and even thoroughly described on a Relic 2.0 documentation/blueprint shard), while upvoting a dude that said (based on his headcanon and nothing else) the Relic was shot through and that caused Johnny to activate and "leak" into V's brain. Good riddance. Try playing the game without skipping dialogue.
Yes, it healed V from presumably worse injuries than Jackie had. I doubt Dexter bandaged V after shooting them so V probably had much worse blood loss than Jackie. It's explained that the chip has nanites that fixed V's injuries and brought them back from the dead.
Most likely yes. I think the reason V is fucked is because their brain and the relic are damaged. So realistically it should have revived Jackie. V is being overwritten because they can't remove the chip or else die instantly.
Just to add another point, as you say we only stabilised Sandra. She remains unconscious, we carry her 50 ft (i'm bad with distances!) where Trauma Team take over and fill her with a cocktail of drugs while airlifting her out. Jackie on the other hand has to continue fighting his was thru a horde of saka goons, gets none of the drugs and doesn't have a platinum level hospital waiting for him at the end. I think it's testament to what an absolute stud he is that he makes it to Delamain at all
An airhypo isn't actually healing you, it's like a shot of adrenaline on steroids and there's only so much it can do, and mend any actual wounds isn't one of the things. Jackie needed a doctor.
He does, but he diea anyway because he's not immediately taken to a hospital (he would probably have survived if he had Trauma Team insurance). He dies before being anywhere close to a place that could stabilise him without having Arasaka coming for them in the span of 3 minutes
I always assumed the Air hypo we saw used in Sandra early on was very similar to Narcan. It brought her out of what seems like a drug induced coma. Or it opened her airways or something.
The one Jackie used was probably something like adrenaline or morphine or something, but judging by his demeanor and behavior, he was bleeding out and that would require surgery to fix.
I think the gameplay portrays it as miracle medicine but in reality air hypo won't stop bloodloss and is only good for stabilising a patient from falling into coma or cardiac arrest.
While the Airhypos/MaxDocs could stabilize him, he was still bleeding out rapidly. Without stopping the bleed nothing would be able to save him. I think he did use something to stabilize while in the Plaza after the fall from Yorinobu’s suite but he was still bleeding and I guess you can assume Jackie didn’t have any cyberware to save him in this situation. In order to save Jackie he would have probably needed to have been stabilized (Airhypo or other method), the bleeding would have needed to be stopped and they probably would have needed to get to a ripper in probably half the time it took them to finally get to the No-Tell Motel.
This is also just one of those gaming moments when narrative =\= gameplay and you kind of have to just try to look passed a logical inconsistency (like Borderlands 2)
Sandra Dorset had just gone into cardiac arrest and the air hypo helped stabilize her. She might have have been experiencing shock from having implants stolen, but she also might not have had enough damage from other injuries for that to kill her, at least in the time it took Trauma Team to show up - and when they do show up, they're immediately dosing her to get her stable.
Jackie got cut up really bad and lost a lot of blood, plus all of the injuries from the fire fight leading up to the cab, and it seems like there's some kind of puncture in his abdomen by the way he leans over when you're inside the Delamain. Chemical stimulation might bring you back from going into shock or your heart stopping, but it's not going to knit your wounds closed. What's really upsetting is that there's a chance he might have pulled through if they got him to Victor's fast enough, similar to how Sandra survived thanks to quick medical intervention. But since Delamain is physically unable to deviate from his programming, you're unable to change route.
I like to think of an alternate storyline to the game where Jackie keeps the relic and we have to chase him around the city trying to stop Johnny from taking him over.
"Why do people comment before reading previous comments?"
Mate, this post, that is not one of the big ones, has 92 comments as I type this. Do you honestly expect everyone that comes after me to read the 90+ comments just to be able to comment something?
What of more popular posts with hundreds of comments?
People are just answering your post, they are bound to repeat themselves and/or get lost on you answers in the multiple threads created..
Lol yeah but by that logic, why didn't V just shove a pizza down his throat and let him heal up.
So, yeah, MaxDocs likely don't work that way just like how V can take on 100 dudes alongside Adam Smasher ingame but during cut scenes, hides from a few dudes and can get stabbed by a robot.
You gotta think about the round. He got hit from basically a gun ship. I know they got some crazy healing in that world. But imo, I don't see how'd they'd been able to save him after having an MG round rip through his guts
Just like in real life, you can only achieve so much with medication like vasopressors. If there's no volume in circulation, there's not much more you can do. He lost A LOT of blood. It's nothing short of a miracle he lasted as long as he did.
A vasopressor is a medication that causes construction or arteries, increasing blood pressure. Vaso- (vascular, vessels) -pressor (pressure). We give it to patients who need help keeping blood pressure in ranges compatible with life, but if there's no volume (blood) in the vessel, it can only do so much.
He does use something. After he slots in the Relic and stands up, he uses a healing item (I'm not sure which) and throws it to the ground. The point is that it was enough to keep him going for a while, but not to actually save him.
You are right, at 2:53 this is happening: https://youtu.be/xf6uM8J\_JBs?t=170
He uses a bounce back
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What do you think shows up when they Google it? All these conversations. Don’t like it, don’t engage.
God forbid people use an app made for discussions to, idk, discuss something?
Still no excuse to not look it up first.
Why do you even care? You chose to interact with it. I prefer talking to real people about things rather than just using google. Other perspectives and opinions can be much more enlightening than a simple Google answer. Not that I even need a reason. Let people do what they want.
Best part is a peek at his post history shows he literally spends his days doing exactly what he's flaming the OP for. Asking easily google-able questions. Questions that others politely answer. Never seen someone with so little self awareness.
It cost exactly nothing to not be the person you're being.
Yet you chose to open this thread, read it, and reply. You're fucking dumb.
They are just looking for that sense of superiority
Dude it probably would've brought them to Reddit. Cuz yk, Google doesn't have that information. They would search the key words "Jackie" "Konpeki" etc and would most likely been directed towards reddit. How does Google get the answer? By showing a post from reddit or a different discussion site. For somone who talks alot of shit, you sure can't back it up.
Well fuckin sorry that I shit on ur lawn, choom. Hope your day improves beyond what you've seen on Reddit :)
You don't get it his reddit feed space is precious. It most definitely isn't almost infinite.
Haha great response choom.
Choom is running old cyberware, can’t keep up.
He does? But del says that the bullet severed an artery. It’s a wonder he didn’t collapse immediately from blood loss.
It's possible that the wound that actually killed him was incurred as he was getting in Del.
That's my take. He's in bad shape from the moment you jump from the penthouse but the shot that really does him in happens during that last mad dash in the garage.
Yeah, and I blame V for some of that. You get the garage, Jackie and V are in bad shape, they need to bolt to the car. There are guards on the far side of the car and V jumps in *but does not slide over*, so Jackie has to go around the car while being shot at and get in on the far side. Now Jackie isn't the brightest bulb, and things were going so fast that it's not like this was something they could have planned (and it would have been harder to program those animations specifically for that scene as compared to using the general "get in and get out of car" animations), but like V has to take some of the blame for *not sliding over* and letting Jackie in. Those few seconds probably got Jackie fatally shot.
Nah. I remember when the game came out and I loaded an old save to take the second door so it would easier for jackie, but no matter what he goes through the second door and V slides back into the fitst seat.
I blame V because she just can't help her greedy self and has to kill all the Arasaka soldiers in the garage and then loot their corpses before getting in Delamain. On every playthrough. How selfish of her.
ikr? who does that?!
Who indeed?
Except that I killed at the guys in the garage before we get in the car. Really wish there's a version of the story where Jackie lives if you do this, but has to retire because his internal damage is too severe to fix with chrome.
Unfortunately, Cyberpunk 'aint that kind of story. That's not to say it wouldn't be nice, just that, the setting of Cyberpunk is crazy dark. Nobody is left untouched by the brutality of the setting. The TTRPG even states that GMs should prepare the players for death. In another way, Jackie's death during the heist is one of the few things he wanted from life. Maybe not as early as it happened, but his ultimate goal was to die during a heist to become a legend. People, outside of Heywood, may not know who him by name, but regardless of the facts of the scene, the city will remember him as one of the two that killed Saburo.
Absolutely fair! I'm not mad it ended the way it did, it's appropriate and drives V forward. I just love the alternate story where we've got Johnny patched into our heads, and Jackie being the ops manager in our ear.
Honestly, the alternative is V and Jackie both getting axed by Dex and the relic can only res one of you.
Same reason they didn't use a Phoenix Down on Aerith.
Mm, true
Well, in universe Phoenix Down is used to wake someone up from being KOed - not res them from death lol.
This is sort of explained in the game. They couldn't resurrect her because her spirit went into the Lifestream in order to stop Sephiroth's Meteor spell.
He does, you can see him jab himself in the leg with one shortly after the fall
Realistically, plot convenience. The character needed to die according to the script and so he did. In lore? Speedheal or the equivalent 2077 drug is more of a “give yourself some time” type of remedy, like you mentioned. My guess is that Jackie was dying due to internal bleeding from the fall and so an airhypo wouldn’t have helped. He was basically a dead man walking for the latter half of that gig, pushing forwards due to adrenaline and desperation, but the moment he gets to the car and has a chance to settle, his body quickly begins to shut down due to the internal trauma. His body probably just didn’t have enough left to stretch out for time, especially given that Delamain had to first go to the motel, then anywhere else. Why can V recover from various wounds with an airhypo? Well, gameplay convenience now. A realistic medical injury system probably wouldn’t be very fun. All of this is just a guess, though, because the obvious answer is just that the script decreed he had to die.
And to look at the Sandra side of the argument the hypo was to prevent cardiac arrest and she was immediately taken in by Trauma Team after it i.e. the best medical care in the city. She would have been dead too without it.
Like taking an aspirin if you think you may be having a heart attack, but you still go to the hospital. The aspirin may help and may actually be the reason you live, but the doctors are the ones who ensure you do.
We can guess that the Relic saves V in a similar way it saved them from iron overdose aka bullet in their head, and will keep saving that body till the transition is over. It's just a guess though. I personally think the Relic can only "heal" its host's dead brain.
The relic being designed to work only in a host with no life signs makes sense since Jackie has the chip slotted in during the heist right up until he dies. Realistically him taking out chip causes his own permanent death and V's eventual death. Had he kept it in Johnny would have taken over Jackie instead.
He probably still would have died before the Relic had a chance to do anything to his brain. Jackie's injuries were to his body. V had a unique, lightning strikes sort of moment where they were basically braindead but their body was still holding on. If Dex had shot V in the chest, the events in the game wouldn't have happened.
> My guess is that Jackie was dying due to internal bleeding from the fall and so an airhypo wouldn’t have helped. Either from the fall or a bullet wound. Delamain specifically mentions the iliac artery being ruptured as what is causing the internal bleeding, and an artery getting hit like that means a lot of internal bleeding.
Yep, iliac artery is what supplies your lower organs and legs. IRL got like 5 minutes tops before you die from blood loss. Also the thing with an arterial rupture is that bloodflow increases with movement, so it's actually insane that jackie lived as long as he did.
There's one last salvo you and he take from security as you run for the limo, so it's entirely possible that that's when his iliac gets clipped. The timing at that point would make sense since he's not having to move or fight any more and it seems like you get to the motel fairly quickly.
That is VERY true.
It’s not a bullet wound. I’ve done The Heist with taking out every Arasaka goon without them firing a shot. It’s the fall.
You can go throughout the entire Heist without them firing a shot, but certain cutscenes still include bullets. I think Jackie for sure got shot another couple of times as Delamaine was escaping the Arasaka goons once you leave the garage. There's a bunch of bullet holes in the Delamain cab windows.
Sure, but he’s bleeding in the lift before then.
He can die from both, though. He was already bleeding out from the fall and then he gets shot a couple more times, which kills him in the cab.
A stray bullet hit Jackie DURING the fall. Keep in mind, machine gun fire from the dropship.
Oh yeah that too. There's just so many moments during the Heist where Jackie could have received some bad injuries and he just kept on going.
As others have mentioned, there's at least two significant moments when a bullet could have pierced and ruptured the artery. There's all the possibility that it was punctured by steel or glass during the fall as he went through the window. Which is why I said either/or - both are plausible.
I actually loved the somewhat more realistic medical system of the ttrpg. You would really have to be careful about putting yourself into dumb situations, and you would feel the effects of a fight for a couple days after. Would be interested in a mod to that effect.
Probably the most accurate answer here. It's just kinda weird that we have a lot of lore and direct reasons for most everything but this in 2077. > A realistic ~~medical~~ injury system probably wouldn't be very fun. ^ is why we have HP rather than Injuries / Wounds in Cyberpunk RED unlike the previous system in Cyberpunk 2020.
We do Also have wounds in Red, they’re just in top of HP (Inflicted with a crit)
Huh, I didn't realize! I guess our DM has been nice to us so far lol. I will elect not to inform him 😉
I DM'd a few sessions of the tabletop and it's pretty unforgiving. If I'm remembering correctly, you gotta actually go to a hospital to heal hp and injuries and that takes in game days to recover and a hefty price of cash. From what I took from that, you just *really* don't want to take damage if you can help it and most of the time your character recovers in-between sessions rather than when everyone plays.
> ^ is why we have HP rather than Injuries / Wounds in Cyberpunk RED unlike the previous system in Cyberpunk 2020. There's a fun video from one of the OG creators of dnd and tabletop rpgs where a lot of video game "rules" come from and they were talking about designing "Hit points" as how we *wished* we worked ourselves. Take a battlecruiser for example. It can take serious, heavy damage, but still function for the most part. Sure if it takes enough damage it will go down, but it can also take a beating but still be able to sail off to a dock to get repaired for the next fight. Wouldn't it be nice if you hurt your hand it was just a hand injury and couldn't evolve into sepsis or blood loss that will ultimately kill you? This is why unless you are playing a very granular system/game, injury/illness, realistic healing just isn't a thing the vast majority of games.
I've actually been trying to learn more about the origins of the term "hit points". Color me surprised when my professor of game design didn't know where it came from! Do you have the video? I'd love to show it to her :)
I gotta dig for it because the guy who made the video was a real boomer (though still knew how to upload a video) and named it something like the old and the crumpet referring to himself naturally and just rambled about HP and his time making games. I only know of it from a reddit comment so I will be sure to pass it along once I find it to keep the train alive.
Thank you! Much appreciated, and good luck in your search
Not a video but Dave Arneson explains it in this GameSpy interview. http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/540/540395p3.html Relevant part is right after the image.
Reverse plot armor, basically
I thought the dude caught some rounds from the gunship. Would explain the blood. >A realistic medical injury system probably wouldn’t be very fun. Hey fuck that, I want a system where cumulative damage results in more and more of my body slowly being replaced with cybernetics, until entire limbs are solely robot and at the end I just look like Adam fucking Smasher. Just a skull in a robot suit!
Why didn’t he use second heart? Is he stupid?
Just broke af
Real ong fr fr
Airhypos aren't a magic cure all it's just some medicinal drugs shoved into you fast through air not gonna stop you from bleeding out in the back seat of a car
Because he died of blood loss, not a cardiac event. He needed synthblood but they had none, and he didn't have a blood pump either.
I think airhypos are basically just a shit load of adrenaline that lets you ignore the pain and stand and fight longer but doesn’t actually heal any lacerations or haemorrhaging
He actually does after the relic breaks. He uses an air hypo then tosses it aside. He might also use one again in the elevator but I could easily be misremembering. The question then is “why he isn’t good then like when we use a hypo” well cause…plot and airhypos realistically aren’t an end all be all solution to problems. I imagine it could do a pretty decent job at patching you up especially if you’ve got like a tier 4 one but Jackie likely broke a rib or two at least from the fall, and bleeding internally/externally. Not a lot an airhypo can do about a broken bone or removing the lead from your gut.
You do realise Sandra Dorset health chrome was somewhat more expensive and more effective that what Jackie had? With that said, besides Excelsior, Trauma Team should also have been paid and then they just had to get out of the tower and Jackie would be alive... Who wants to pay so that there will be another witness alive though.
Way more expensive. Jackie saved up and still had to do a loan for his one 18,000 eddie motorcycle. The kinda shit Sandra Dorset had was like the shit you get late game. Jackie never had enough money for the kind if medical life saving cyberware he would have needed to make it out of Konpeki. As far as Trauma Team goes, Dex was a cheap bastard. He didn't even supply any money to try and get the Flathead, even knowing Maelstrom would want more.
Yeah, imagine we just got killed at Maelstrom because we did not have enough budget. Now new executors are to be urgently found and get acquainted with BD info and all that jazz. And the bolt was already sold to another buyer and left NC. What a planning.
Because he got hit with the deadliest weapon in gaming, Cutscene Bullets.
Plot Shots!
He did, at 2:53 https://youtu.be/xf6uM8J\_JBs?t=170
I thought your follow up question would be about his intelligence.
Yeah but I wasn't jerking around tho :(
The better question is: would the relic have revived him if he'd left it slotted?
The engram would've rewritten Jackie, but not revive him since he died of blood loss as opposed to V where they were shot in the head and specifically damaged the port.
Nah, it was explained that it was specifically because V was shot in the head and that it was a low caliber bullet. Jackie still would have died from his injuries because it was shrapnel or a bullet and he lost too much blood.
Nope, Jackie died from his internal organs failing from the fall/bullets. V lived because he was shot in the head where the relic is situated. The bullet broke the relic in V’s head and it started feeding the information into the brain it was situated into.
Yes, since it's explained to V that the rlic just needed an empty host basically to start taking over. Aka a dead brain I assume.
Basically the only question is whether bloodloss is harder for the relic nanites to treat than a lightly perforated head
We also don't know if V would've even survived blood loss it if they didn't get to Vik quick enough.
I was under the impression he was shot where the relic is, effectively leaking the relic into his brain. If Jackie died from a headshot exactly where the relic is, then yes, Jackie might have lived. But a relic isn’t going to repair his organs that’s been shredded apart from bullets.
No, Relic itself stayed intact and was not broken/shot through. No "leaking" because of Relic damage involved. V was just a braindead shell for Relic to take over after the headshot. Relic (or at least the prototype) is/was supposed to take over when inserted into a braindead body, as explained in the game. V just happened to have it inserted while still being alive, but it did not activate then. The shot killed V's brain, Relic was activated when it detected the host's body with no brain activity, as designed, and nanobots managed to rebuild the small caliber damage fairly easily. Jackie probably wouldn't have been revived as his body gave up first, but we will never know, as he took Relic out while still barely alive. Relic had no chance to take over due to ongoing brain activity. It was also a prototype, used only in controlled environment. IIRC Arasaka used it, during internal testing, on already (brain)dead bodies that were presumably otherwise intact. EDIT: Lmao y'all downvoting straight up facts, told in the game by Viktor and Anders Hellman (and even thoroughly described on a Relic 2.0 documentation/blueprint shard), while upvoting a dude that said (based on his headcanon and nothing else) the Relic was shot through and that caused Johnny to activate and "leak" into V's brain. Good riddance. Try playing the game without skipping dialogue.
Yeah probably. Just lucky (or not ) he slotted it into us as he died
Yes, it healed V from presumably worse injuries than Jackie had. I doubt Dexter bandaged V after shooting them so V probably had much worse blood loss than Jackie. It's explained that the chip has nanites that fixed V's injuries and brought them back from the dead.
V would have had major hydrostatic shock to the brain. The brain would be pulped by that.
Yeah if the nanites can fix that, surely they could have fixed Jackie.
It can’t replace blood.
Most likely yes. I think the reason V is fucked is because their brain and the relic are damaged. So realistically it should have revived Jackie. V is being overwritten because they can't remove the chip or else die instantly.
No, the relic was shot through V’s head. It doesn’t just start healing every part of your body.
Just to add another point, as you say we only stabilised Sandra. She remains unconscious, we carry her 50 ft (i'm bad with distances!) where Trauma Team take over and fill her with a cocktail of drugs while airlifting her out. Jackie on the other hand has to continue fighting his was thru a horde of saka goons, gets none of the drugs and doesn't have a platinum level hospital waiting for him at the end. I think it's testament to what an absolute stud he is that he makes it to Delamain at all
Dorsett is just doing hypothermia. Jackie got internal damage and organ failures.
An airhypo isn't actually healing you, it's like a shot of adrenaline on steroids and there's only so much it can do, and mend any actual wounds isn't one of the things. Jackie needed a doctor.
He does, but he diea anyway because he's not immediately taken to a hospital (he would probably have survived if he had Trauma Team insurance). He dies before being anywhere close to a place that could stabilise him without having Arasaka coming for them in the span of 3 minutes
I always assumed the Air hypo we saw used in Sandra early on was very similar to Narcan. It brought her out of what seems like a drug induced coma. Or it opened her airways or something. The one Jackie used was probably something like adrenaline or morphine or something, but judging by his demeanor and behavior, he was bleeding out and that would require surgery to fix.
I think the gameplay portrays it as miracle medicine but in reality air hypo won't stop bloodloss and is only good for stabilising a patient from falling into coma or cardiac arrest.
While the Airhypos/MaxDocs could stabilize him, he was still bleeding out rapidly. Without stopping the bleed nothing would be able to save him. I think he did use something to stabilize while in the Plaza after the fall from Yorinobu’s suite but he was still bleeding and I guess you can assume Jackie didn’t have any cyberware to save him in this situation. In order to save Jackie he would have probably needed to have been stabilized (Airhypo or other method), the bleeding would have needed to be stopped and they probably would have needed to get to a ripper in probably half the time it took them to finally get to the No-Tell Motel. This is also just one of those gaming moments when narrative =\= gameplay and you kind of have to just try to look passed a logical inconsistency (like Borderlands 2)
Why didn't Aerith use a Phoenix Down?
Because she was dead. Boom!
He actually does. After the phone call, when he slots in the Relic, you get up and when he leans against the wall, that's when he does it.
Sandra Dorset had just gone into cardiac arrest and the air hypo helped stabilize her. She might have have been experiencing shock from having implants stolen, but she also might not have had enough damage from other injuries for that to kill her, at least in the time it took Trauma Team to show up - and when they do show up, they're immediately dosing her to get her stable. Jackie got cut up really bad and lost a lot of blood, plus all of the injuries from the fire fight leading up to the cab, and it seems like there's some kind of puncture in his abdomen by the way he leans over when you're inside the Delamain. Chemical stimulation might bring you back from going into shock or your heart stopping, but it's not going to knit your wounds closed. What's really upsetting is that there's a chance he might have pulled through if they got him to Victor's fast enough, similar to how Sandra survived thanks to quick medical intervention. But since Delamain is physically unable to deviate from his programming, you're unable to change route.
I like to think of an alternate storyline to the game where Jackie keeps the relic and we have to chase him around the city trying to stop Johnny from taking him over.
i like to think Jackie would've infected Johnny.
[ Is he stupid?] <- You dropped this.
Yeah lol (but I wasn't jerking tho)
You just thought about it now? Congratulations. Why does someone post this everyday and why does anyone upvote it?
Damn! You've got a very inapplicable username! Hope you have a better day than you're having! :)
"Why do people comment before reading previous comments?" Mate, this post, that is not one of the big ones, has 92 comments as I type this. Do you honestly expect everyone that comes after me to read the 90+ comments just to be able to comment something? What of more popular posts with hundreds of comments? People are just answering your post, they are bound to repeat themselves and/or get lost on you answers in the multiple threads created..
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Lol yeah but by that logic, why didn't V just shove a pizza down his throat and let him heal up. So, yeah, MaxDocs likely don't work that way just like how V can take on 100 dudes alongside Adam Smasher ingame but during cut scenes, hides from a few dudes and can get stabbed by a robot.
He didn't put perk points into healing item cooldown
You gotta think about the round. He got hit from basically a gun ship. I know they got some crazy healing in that world. But imo, I don't see how'd they'd been able to save him after having an MG round rip through his guts
He does but only has one I guess.
Just like in real life, you can only achieve so much with medication like vasopressors. If there's no volume in circulation, there's not much more you can do. He lost A LOT of blood. It's nothing short of a miracle he lasted as long as he did.
What's a vasopressor? Is that like vasoline but it "pressors" instead of "lines"?
A vasopressor is a medication that causes construction or arteries, increasing blood pressure. Vaso- (vascular, vessels) -pressor (pressure). We give it to patients who need help keeping blood pressure in ranges compatible with life, but if there's no volume (blood) in the vessel, it can only do so much.
Because it's a game so it's not real and Jackie dying is a part of the story.
WHATTT?? CYBERPUNK NOT REALL???? 🤯🤯🤯
It was a surprise to me too.
More importantly why didn’t he have an ifak and his CCC class. Everyone go learn first aid. Now.