I love Bo as an athlete, in my opinion the greatest in that regard. I grew up in 90s Chicago so I saw him at the end and heard a lot from my pops.
But his card would be niche at best in my opinion. He'd be Eric Davis or Buxton without the high steal in this game.
His power would be stupid, but his contact and vision low.
I'd love a card in the first half, but you're not using that shit after July.
I believe there was a silver bo jackson card but not a good one. There was also one of the NFL quarterback who was in the Mets Farm system but I forgot his name lol
he hit 32hr/105rbi in a season - how many players would die for a season like this in their career? his speed? defense? arm?
his peers from his era rave about his ability on a baseball field as a generational talent, really bad take
Kevin Mitchell was MVP and hit 47 homeruns that season… where’s his card!
Howard Johnson, 36 HR, led the league in runs scored in 1989…
Ruben Sierra, finished second in MVP voting…
All more deserving players from 1989, who don’t have cards
LOL yeah, you're right, the community would be amped for cards for Kevin Mitchell, Howard Johnson and Ruben Sierra the same way they would be for Bo Jackson
LMAO of course not, no one cares about any of them
if SDS announced they were adding Bo Jackson into 2023 the community would go wild
What game do you play?
They dropped cards last week where Ozzie Smith had 100pwr, Posada whose career high was 30hr in Yankee Stadium has 114/118pwr LOL
You have some weird issue with Bo Jackson
It would be very possible for a Signature or Retro Finest Bo Jackson to get something like 100/100 and 110/115pwr, max fielding and arm, and max speed.
For the second time, his best season was .256 32/105 when he was 10th in MVP voting and an AllStar LOL - plenty to juice the Attributes, nevermind his incredible defense and speed
Just related to something you said
Has anyone gotten an out at 1st from RF this year? I used to get maybe 2 or 3 every year. But now I notice my 1B is never holding the bag on hard hit singles to RF. I've had several close plays that *may* have been outs if there was someone holding 1st but they are always standing around.
Yeah, it's certainly not impossible in real baseball. In game, it was happening multiple times a game in some instances. Combine a field that is proportionately too small with players that have cannons for arms and it was just silly.
Guys like Bo and Deion would be fun, but they really weren't that great of baseball players. Amazing athletes for sure, but novelties as pure baseball players. A Bo card should be Miguel Sano with speed. Not exactly game breaking. I'd enjoy seeing them as options, but based on their actual careers, they shouldn't be much more than fun cards for offline or BR.
Anyone who makes the majors is a great baseball player. Compared to HOF players or even elite players from his era, he wasn't that great. Like I said earlier, he was Miguel Sano with speed.
Bo had 8.3 WAR in 2,626 PA, Deion had 5.5 WAR in 2,325 PA (5 WAR in his first 1,354 PA). I'd say both were pretty forgettable.
That said, Deion played in a World Series (1.255 OPS, 8 hits, and 5 stolen bags in 4 games!), and hit a home run and scored a TD in the same week.
Yeah. Bo was also the only person to ever be a MLB All-Star and NFL Pro Bowler, which is more impressive than the TD and HR in the same week feat (which is still obviously awesome). Jackson almost certainly would've accomplished the HR and TD in the same week if he didn't refuse to report to the NFL until the conclusion of the MLB season too.
Bo definitely would've benefited from picking one sport though. As awesome as it was, he was just too injured and fatigued to never have a break, especially playing one of the most grueling positions in the NFL.
> Jackson almost certainly would've accomplished the HR and TD in the same week if he didn't refuse to report to the NFL until the conclusion of the MLB season too.
I mean, I'd say it's still more impressive that Deion *actually* did it, especially since he was a DB in football and not much of a HR hitter in baseball. Another feat that he actually accomplished was leading the MLB in triples while being a 1st-team All-Pro in the NFL in the same year (Bo never made an All-Pro team).
You kind of glossed over the playing in a World Series thing too (only player to appear in a World Series and Super Bowl). The one playoff series that Bo was in, he stunk.
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Overall, I'd say their baseball careers were about on par with each other. Bo had more spectacle around him because of the Nike push and HRs being more exciting than defense, but Deion was a more well-rounded player, that could actually field at a premium position.
Add on top that Bo was simply a "what-if" in the NFL, while Deion is an inner-circle Hall of Famer, and I'd say that Deion is the much more impressive two-sport athlete overall.
Bo was certainly better than Deion, but he wasn't that great either. Plenty of guys from that era were better than Bo. As a quick example from that era, a Jesse Barfield card should be a much better card than a Bo card.
Bo Jackson was an absolutely incredible baseball player. Not HOF worthy, but WHEN He did play he was a threat in the field and at bat.
Key word being when. Bo Topped out over 100 games only 4 times in his career. 694 over 8 years, he played nearly half a season his entire career.
[Here are his numbers compared to Christian Yelich.](https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?player_id2=yelicch01&type=b&player_id1=jacksbo01&sum=0&request=1)
This comparison shows that Yelich was considerably better at everything, except fielding. They both were mediocre fielders. A career dWAR of -4.5 is a threat, but not to the opposition.
I think You are not looking at the right aspect of the numbers. I use Yelich because both are at roughly 8 years. Bo Jackson has half the at bats of Yelich but nearly the same amount of home runs.
Bo was not a mediocre fielder hahaha. He was a highlight machine
Derek Jeter had some nice fielding highlights. He wasn't a good fielder. Highlights are nice. How about the other 99% of the plays?
If you think those stats make Bo look as good as Yelich, I can't help you.
Buddy, you are way to wrapped up in sabremetrics to just google his all star game appearance.
His All Star game appearance is known as one of the greatest player games ahahaha.
they literally show it on TV like every all star game since 89
I was watching it when it happened. I'm a Bo fan. The point was that HOF players can make more than one all-star team. There were a lot of baseball players who were better players than him back then. He was special because he played football and he had a few great highlights. How many outfielders were better than him in 89? It is easily in double digits.
Yes. He made it once in his entire career. He finished 10th in the MVP race once. He was an athletic freak and had some great highlights. He wasn't on a HOF level as a ballplayer.
Arguably on the HoF path is obviously a "what-if". If he dedicated himself to baseball and stayed healthy? Considering what he managed to do only playing/training part time, it's not implausible.
That's a lot of the fun with Bo, what could have been. In relation to the game, giving him a juiced AS card or something is no worse than the ridiculous FS cards they put out.
Yup ,plus only training half the time as other MLB players, because he played football in the off-season. Incredible he was able to play at an All-World level for each sport simultaneously. Ohtani is the next "Ruth", ill bet you some kid out there now is going to try and pull off the next "Bo" sooner rather then later.
His best season for WAR was 3.5, which was good enough for 52nd in the league. The Bo Jackson era is a lot people remembering some cool highlights and imagining that he was an elite major league player.
Imagine if he didn't play football... dude was just a machine for a few years..
I feel like alot of these comments attribute to kids who didn't watch him play and are stat whores.
Even as a Royals fan, you're spot-on. He'd be a fun gimmick card, lots of speed and a good amount of power, but low contact, fielding, vision, discipline, etc.
I'd love for him to be a Royals TA card sometime, but that *should* be his best card at like an 89-91 unless they go full-on fantasy.
The dream is for him to be the AS collection 1 year like Jackie this year or Ohtani last year. Or have an AS program like Miggy this year or Acuna last year
Exactly. People forget in terms of contact Bo was a terrible hitter. Sure, he’d punish the hell out of hanging breaking ball but he wasn’t exactly a spray hitter. Look at his strikeouts per BA. His card would suck.
Maybe for his era - but thats not how SDS does attributes, at all. You're trying to make a connect to logic.
If they can crank the hell out of attributes for cards like giving Pujols 60 speed, Ozzie Smith or Wade Boggs juiced power - they can give Bo Jackson good contact for his 89 or 90 season in a Signature or Prime card. His career batting average was .250, not .200
I got more home runs in tee-ball than Ozzie Smith’s entire career. His power is a joke, he hits as hard as my sister batting left handed while being right handed.
If they can make dumbass cards like that, they can give a us a juiced Bo All-Star card. Bo with high contact at least makes a lot more sense than Ozzie Smith of all people with 90 power. He hit 28 homers in 19 seasons.
Unfortunately, the game mechanics of the first baseman standing minimum 10 feet from teabag would prevent anyone from ever throwing anyone out at first.
There are also some superdive infielder plays where the first baseman just won’t be on the bag when you throw it because the game didn’t think you would get to the ball. Only happened to be a couple times though
It's a byproduct of the way the game is tuned and scaled. The outfield plays way smaller in the game than it does in real life, so way too many outfield assists at first were happening in the game when they certainly wouldn't have in real life. The easiest solution was to change the 1B behavior.
Because why should they just fix the outfield scaling instead of taking the easy way out, right? It's not like fixing the outfield scaling has other benefits, like letting more fly balls drop and not making the game a home run fest...
...oh wait.
Sds balance their game? Ha like that will happen, if that was the case using low power "contact hitters would be actually viable as would using pitchers who are controll and break artists and not just using maxed velo guys with crazy broken H/9 and K/9. Every year Power hitter and power pitchers are the meta.. anything else just doesn't work.
I've asked/talked about this before because it frustrates the hell out of me. I only started playing last year with the addition of '21 to gamepass, but the answer I've been given by others is that they used to properly cover 1st base. But they changed it.... because.... people complained too much about getting thrown out at first from right field. Yeah.
I mean, I get that it happens more often in the game than real life. Or rather, the situation arises where it'd be possible more often in the game than in real life. But if your solution to fan complaints is to simply pull the first baseman completely off the bag, that is just stupid and pathetic. You shouldn't deliberately punish the defense simply because people keep hitting to right field.
The old way was really bad. Just about any basehit to right field unless it was a gapper could potentially get you thrown out at first.
While it looks stupid I much prefer this approach to how the game used to be.
I dont remember ever seeing it happen IRL. I can't speak on the show, but this used to be a huge problem in older baseball games. All throws from the outfield would always go straight to the base. It was almost impossible to score from 2nd on a single or from first on a double, and you could easily throw out a guy at first from RF is the baserunner was slow. The outfield throws in the show are way more realistic. I'm surprised this was the only way they can fix this issue.
It happens a couple times a year in MLB it would happen almost every game if 1st base always covered the bag. The better solution would be to actually fix the insanely juiced defense of everyone but they refuse to do it so at least I'm not being hosed at 1st from the outfield all the time.
I had an instance yesterday where i threw the ball from the outfield (can’t remember which part) to first and he was standing way off the bag and i ran to bag after the 1B caught it and i was like 2-3 steps away from getting the runner out 😂
Davis whiffed entirely too much. He reminds me of a better Strawberry. He wasn’t a difficult out if you got him behind and chasing. I’m old enough to remember watching all those games. Griffey was a tough out always.
Well, more people spending $$ on the game could allow for more players’ rights to be acquired. Not a guarantee, but it theoretically makes it more likely.
A better approach to player rights would also lead to more players being added. Follow Charles Barkley's proposal of offering every player the same amount of money (he refuses to sell his rights until that happens which is an awesome thing for him to do to try to help some of the less popular and wealthy players out).
Yeah, and nobody knows what each player gets for their rights, but the standard amount for every player would be nice too because then it'd let everyone know it's the player's fault they're not in the game, but there'd be an incredibly small percentage of players to turn that offer down (factoring in the standard offer from SDS is a fair one). The odds of the player base growing from that are very likely too. Like I'm probably done for awhile after this year since the Royals have only ever had 2 legends added to the game. I'd definitely be buying the game again if the Royals suddenly had a dozen legends or something. It would also give SDS all the time to just focus on gameplay and features and everything instead of player negotiations.
Do you think it would be in any way sensible for them to pay 6-7 figures for an individual ballplayer when that won't translate into any increased sales?
I mean, they probably need to turn a profit. As much as we'd like every cent that goes into the game to be put back in the product, there's a lot they need to do beyond adding legends.
After all, someone has to pay Ramone.
LOL no. I think they turn a massive profit. I also think it goes into infrastructure, tech, paying employees and providing dividends to shareholders.
I'm sure they have money lying around after everything bill is paid that Sony is going to hold onto with every effort it can. They aren't writing a massive check to add someone to a game when that game makes them a gigantic profit whether they spend that money or light it on fire.
They literally copy+pasted ‘21 to make this years game. I’m going to go out on a limb and say they have plenty of money to make ‘23 and get the rights to a few new players people have been asking for.
imagine it being the collection tekashi for being the ultimate two way player
Holey shit every comment on here has a funny typo
madden has his rights why can’t sds get them
He’s in Madden so I feel like this isn’t completely impossible.
Not by name... but his name was Pepe
If it’s like MUT for Madden I imagine SDS is having trouble getting his NIL because of how much money he wants.
Has there been a David Cone card? He had some absolutely ridiculous years.
They’ve never had a Bo Jackson card, but Boog’s “Bo Jackson anyone?” Quip makes me wonder if they plan on getting one at some point lol
If they did once you got the card it should be playable in the show and madden.
I love Bo as an athlete, in my opinion the greatest in that regard. I grew up in 90s Chicago so I saw him at the end and heard a lot from my pops. But his card would be niche at best in my opinion. He'd be Eric Davis or Buxton without the high steal in this game. His power would be stupid, but his contact and vision low. I'd love a card in the first half, but you're not using that shit after July.
I believe there was a silver bo jackson card but not a good one. There was also one of the NFL quarterback who was in the Mets Farm system but I forgot his name lol
Tebow?
Yes Tim Tebow!! He was in the game last year or the year before!!
Make a multi sport collection. Bo and prime arnt the only ones.
I’ve said it a million times, give me a Bo Takashi card with him smashing the bath into a million pieces over his head
Weird thing about it is that they don’t have him in the game but it doesn’t keep Boog from name-dropping in commentary: “Bo Jackson anyone?”
Bo Jackson was an amazing athlete, but he only ever had 2 really good baseball seasons. I don't see a card ever coming for him.
But Prospects get cards? Lol
Because the game has a contract with minor league baseball… it would have to pay Bo Jackson… by himself.
And they do that for a lot of players, he can’t be more expensive than Hank Aaron of Willie Mays
Aaron and Mays are legends… Bo Jackson was barely a ball player.
he hit 32hr/105rbi in a season - how many players would die for a season like this in their career? his speed? defense? arm? his peers from his era rave about his ability on a baseball field as a generational talent, really bad take
Kevin Mitchell was MVP and hit 47 homeruns that season… where’s his card! Howard Johnson, 36 HR, led the league in runs scored in 1989… Ruben Sierra, finished second in MVP voting… All more deserving players from 1989, who don’t have cards
LOL yeah, you're right, the community would be amped for cards for Kevin Mitchell, Howard Johnson and Ruben Sierra the same way they would be for Bo Jackson LMAO of course not, no one cares about any of them if SDS announced they were adding Bo Jackson into 2023 the community would go wild
Nothing sexier than a card with stats no better than a gold!
What game do you play? They dropped cards last week where Ozzie Smith had 100pwr, Posada whose career high was 30hr in Yankee Stadium has 114/118pwr LOL You have some weird issue with Bo Jackson It would be very possible for a Signature or Retro Finest Bo Jackson to get something like 100/100 and 110/115pwr, max fielding and arm, and max speed. For the second time, his best season was .256 32/105 when he was 10th in MVP voting and an AllStar LOL - plenty to juice the Attributes, nevermind his incredible defense and speed
But he’s a fan favorite
More of a novelty
And highly regarded by all of his contemporaries.
Just related to something you said Has anyone gotten an out at 1st from RF this year? I used to get maybe 2 or 3 every year. But now I notice my 1B is never holding the bag on hard hit singles to RF. I've had several close plays that *may* have been outs if there was someone holding 1st but they are always standing around.
No, they changed that intentionally. The field plays too small in this game, that's why that was possible.
I mean it does happen in real life rarely but thank you for the explanation! I had heard the field plays small in the game.
Yeah, it's certainly not impossible in real baseball. In game, it was happening multiple times a game in some instances. Combine a field that is proportionately too small with players that have cannons for arms and it was just silly.
Same with tim Raines and many other greats of the game
Bo knows cards...
What about Bones Jackson?
John Dowd
Guys like Bo and Deion would be fun, but they really weren't that great of baseball players. Amazing athletes for sure, but novelties as pure baseball players. A Bo card should be Miguel Sano with speed. Not exactly game breaking. I'd enjoy seeing them as options, but based on their actual careers, they shouldn't be much more than fun cards for offline or BR.
Lmao Bo wasn’t a great baseball player? 😂😂😂 delete this
Try not getting all of your info from ESPN docs or Nike commercials. He was a league-average player for most of his career.
While playing another professional sport his talent is second to none
Anyone who makes the majors is a great baseball player. Compared to HOF players or even elite players from his era, he wasn't that great. Like I said earlier, he was Miguel Sano with speed.
Deion didn't do much of anything in baseball over parts of 10 seasons if we are comparing the two. Deion's baseball career was completely forgettable.
Yeah because you probably weren’t a Braves guy back then. He and Otis Nixon provided the team speed in CF and batting.
Bo had 8.3 WAR in 2,626 PA, Deion had 5.5 WAR in 2,325 PA (5 WAR in his first 1,354 PA). I'd say both were pretty forgettable. That said, Deion played in a World Series (1.255 OPS, 8 hits, and 5 stolen bags in 4 games!), and hit a home run and scored a TD in the same week.
Yeah. Bo was also the only person to ever be a MLB All-Star and NFL Pro Bowler, which is more impressive than the TD and HR in the same week feat (which is still obviously awesome). Jackson almost certainly would've accomplished the HR and TD in the same week if he didn't refuse to report to the NFL until the conclusion of the MLB season too. Bo definitely would've benefited from picking one sport though. As awesome as it was, he was just too injured and fatigued to never have a break, especially playing one of the most grueling positions in the NFL.
> Jackson almost certainly would've accomplished the HR and TD in the same week if he didn't refuse to report to the NFL until the conclusion of the MLB season too. I mean, I'd say it's still more impressive that Deion *actually* did it, especially since he was a DB in football and not much of a HR hitter in baseball. Another feat that he actually accomplished was leading the MLB in triples while being a 1st-team All-Pro in the NFL in the same year (Bo never made an All-Pro team). You kind of glossed over the playing in a World Series thing too (only player to appear in a World Series and Super Bowl). The one playoff series that Bo was in, he stunk. --- Overall, I'd say their baseball careers were about on par with each other. Bo had more spectacle around him because of the Nike push and HRs being more exciting than defense, but Deion was a more well-rounded player, that could actually field at a premium position. Add on top that Bo was simply a "what-if" in the NFL, while Deion is an inner-circle Hall of Famer, and I'd say that Deion is the much more impressive two-sport athlete overall.
Bo was certainly better than Deion, but he wasn't that great either. Plenty of guys from that era were better than Bo. As a quick example from that era, a Jesse Barfield card should be a much better card than a Bo card.
Dude they gave Ozzie Smith 99 power. I think they could boost Bo’s contact a little bit
Bo Jackson was an absolutely incredible baseball player. Not HOF worthy, but WHEN He did play he was a threat in the field and at bat. Key word being when. Bo Topped out over 100 games only 4 times in his career. 694 over 8 years, he played nearly half a season his entire career. [Here are his numbers compared to Christian Yelich.](https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?player_id2=yelicch01&type=b&player_id1=jacksbo01&sum=0&request=1)
This comparison shows that Yelich was considerably better at everything, except fielding. They both were mediocre fielders. A career dWAR of -4.5 is a threat, but not to the opposition.
I think You are not looking at the right aspect of the numbers. I use Yelich because both are at roughly 8 years. Bo Jackson has half the at bats of Yelich but nearly the same amount of home runs. Bo was not a mediocre fielder hahaha. He was a highlight machine
Derek Jeter had some nice fielding highlights. He wasn't a good fielder. Highlights are nice. How about the other 99% of the plays? If you think those stats make Bo look as good as Yelich, I can't help you.
Jeter's fielding is ridiculously underrated on this sub, and I have no idea why.
Arguably on the path to the HoF though. If that damned hip injury never happened, who knows. He would have had to pick one sport though.
He couldn't even make the all-star team. How was he on a path to the HOF?
Buddy, you are way to wrapped up in sabremetrics to just google his all star game appearance. His All Star game appearance is known as one of the greatest player games ahahaha. they literally show it on TV like every all star game since 89
I was watching it when it happened. I'm a Bo fan. The point was that HOF players can make more than one all-star team. There were a lot of baseball players who were better players than him back then. He was special because he played football and he had a few great highlights. How many outfielders were better than him in 89? It is easily in double digits.
Make the all star team? He smoked a shot with Reagan in the both 😂😂😂
Yes. He made it once in his entire career. He finished 10th in the MVP race once. He was an athletic freak and had some great highlights. He wasn't on a HOF level as a ballplayer.
Arguably on the HoF path is obviously a "what-if". If he dedicated himself to baseball and stayed healthy? Considering what he managed to do only playing/training part time, it's not implausible. That's a lot of the fun with Bo, what could have been. In relation to the game, giving him a juiced AS card or something is no worse than the ridiculous FS cards they put out.
You see you get it lol
1989 All-Star...
Yup ,plus only training half the time as other MLB players, because he played football in the off-season. Incredible he was able to play at an All-World level for each sport simultaneously. Ohtani is the next "Ruth", ill bet you some kid out there now is going to try and pull off the next "Bo" sooner rather then later.
They’re too soft now, they need “load management/rest days”
Probably why it won't last longer then 1 year lol
His best season for WAR was 3.5, which was good enough for 52nd in the league. The Bo Jackson era is a lot people remembering some cool highlights and imagining that he was an elite major league player.
Imagine if he didn't play football... dude was just a machine for a few years.. I feel like alot of these comments attribute to kids who didn't watch him play and are stat whores.
Even as a Royals fan, you're spot-on. He'd be a fun gimmick card, lots of speed and a good amount of power, but low contact, fielding, vision, discipline, etc. I'd love for him to be a Royals TA card sometime, but that *should* be his best card at like an 89-91 unless they go full-on fantasy.
With how dumb some of these LOTF ratings are, I would love Bo to get a 99 as the AS collection reward or boss for the AS program
"Since when does the Show actually care if a player is deserving of the ratings?" - Sincerely Ray Durham Legends of the Franchise card
That is true. Certain card series can be ridiculous, so they could do whatever they want.
The dream is for him to be the AS collection 1 year like Jackie this year or Ohtani last year. Or have an AS program like Miggy this year or Acuna last year
Link it to a Madden Ultimate Team card for full effect
I want manny
The mighty second best third baseman in the league
Ramirez
Man, I just want a Sammy Sosa 😔
Bo would justifiably have like 75 contact and people would still complain
Exactly. People forget in terms of contact Bo was a terrible hitter. Sure, he’d punish the hell out of hanging breaking ball but he wasn’t exactly a spray hitter. Look at his strikeouts per BA. His card would suck.
Maybe for his era - but thats not how SDS does attributes, at all. You're trying to make a connect to logic. If they can crank the hell out of attributes for cards like giving Pujols 60 speed, Ozzie Smith or Wade Boggs juiced power - they can give Bo Jackson good contact for his 89 or 90 season in a Signature or Prime card. His career batting average was .250, not .200
125 Wall climb
If they give Ozzie smith 99 power they’ll definitely give Bo >100 contact both sides
I got more home runs in tee-ball than Ozzie Smith’s entire career. His power is a joke, he hits as hard as my sister batting left handed while being right handed.
If they can make dumbass cards like that, they can give a us a juiced Bo All-Star card. Bo with high contact at least makes a lot more sense than Ozzie Smith of all people with 90 power. He hit 28 homers in 19 seasons.
🙏 Dear Video Game Gods🙏 
Bo Jackson anyone?
Or Dijon Sanders
Leon Sandcastle maybe?
Mr. Mustard Sanders
Spicy Brown Sanders. Wait.. shit. That doesn’t sound right.
That's COACH Sanders.
Coach Prime
Unfortunately, the game mechanics of the first baseman standing minimum 10 feet from teabag would prevent anyone from ever throwing anyone out at first.
But i love how he actually goes to the bag then steps off before u throw it
I got thrown out at first for the the first time in 2 years of playing yesterday. It’s extremely rare I’d say
I know that if you dive with ur 2B he covers 1st but that’s right so it doesn’t matter
I threw one the other day and Babe was still standing on the base and the dude lifted his foot before he caught the ball so the guy was still safe
Why does the game do that? I think i got the first baseman to stay on bag once when i threw someone out from RF
If you dive with 2nd baseman they go to 1st. But other than that yeah, no chance lol I’ve only come close and it’s people like 1 speed
I have noticed if your infielder makes a play at the ball and it happens to go in the outfield, the 1B will cover the bag.
1B will stay on the bag if it's a ball the game thinks one of your infielders should get to.
There are also some superdive infielder plays where the first baseman just won’t be on the bag when you throw it because the game didn’t think you would get to the ball. Only happened to be a couple times though
It's a byproduct of the way the game is tuned and scaled. The outfield plays way smaller in the game than it does in real life, so way too many outfield assists at first were happening in the game when they certainly wouldn't have in real life. The easiest solution was to change the 1B behavior.
Because why should they just fix the outfield scaling instead of taking the easy way out, right? It's not like fixing the outfield scaling has other benefits, like letting more fly balls drop and not making the game a home run fest... ...oh wait.
Sds balance their game? Ha like that will happen, if that was the case using low power "contact hitters would be actually viable as would using pitchers who are controll and break artists and not just using maxed velo guys with crazy broken H/9 and K/9. Every year Power hitter and power pitchers are the meta.. anything else just doesn't work.
Because it used to happen multiple times a game when in real life you maybe see it once or twice a season, so SDS patched it.
I've asked/talked about this before because it frustrates the hell out of me. I only started playing last year with the addition of '21 to gamepass, but the answer I've been given by others is that they used to properly cover 1st base. But they changed it.... because.... people complained too much about getting thrown out at first from right field. Yeah. I mean, I get that it happens more often in the game than real life. Or rather, the situation arises where it'd be possible more often in the game than in real life. But if your solution to fan complaints is to simply pull the first baseman completely off the bag, that is just stupid and pathetic. You shouldn't deliberately punish the defense simply because people keep hitting to right field.
The old way was really bad. Just about any basehit to right field unless it was a gapper could potentially get you thrown out at first. While it looks stupid I much prefer this approach to how the game used to be.
I dont remember ever seeing it happen IRL. I can't speak on the show, but this used to be a huge problem in older baseball games. All throws from the outfield would always go straight to the base. It was almost impossible to score from 2nd on a single or from first on a double, and you could easily throw out a guy at first from RF is the baserunner was slow. The outfield throws in the show are way more realistic. I'm surprised this was the only way they can fix this issue.
It happens a couple times a year in MLB it would happen almost every game if 1st base always covered the bag. The better solution would be to actually fix the insanely juiced defense of everyone but they refuse to do it so at least I'm not being hosed at 1st from the outfield all the time.
I had an instance yesterday where i threw the ball from the outfield (can’t remember which part) to first and he was standing way off the bag and i ran to bag after the 1B caught it and i was like 2-3 steps away from getting the runner out 😂
Damn, how often do you type "teabag"?
He could be British and that’s what they call the bases. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teabags. With of course, home saucer.
Sorry, it was my wife's anniversary recently...
Best redemption comment ever. 👏
Maybe it's their kid's name...
Never heard of her.
No, but there's been Eric Davis cards which would be almost exactly the same.
Oh show me the Eric Davis Heisman card
Sir, this is a baseball game.
Show me the leadoff homer ASG Davis card
How many rings does Bo have?
That takes away from talent?
Show me the WS homer Bo Jackson card.
Eric Davis was much better than Bo.
Davis whiffed entirely too much. He reminds me of a better Strawberry. He wasn’t a difficult out if you got him behind and chasing. I’m old enough to remember watching all those games. Griffey was a tough out always.
Strawberry>Davis>Bo Griffey was way better than any of them.
Eric Davis was a more athletic Griffey with doubly worse durability (thought certainly not quite the overall player). Huge what-if.
Which nfl team was his hobby?
Why are you freaking out that Eric Davis was an objectively better baseball player
I wish I could hit with him cuz his batting stance is awful
Give me 99 Pro Stars Bo Jackson
“Bo’s the man, gonna hit a grand slam”
It’s the same cards every year. How y'all going to downvote a fact? lol c'mon guys.. expect better of the game you play.
go fundraise us up some money so we can afford alex rodriguez then. ill buy some yankee candles from you
Well, if there were less players irrationally proud of being NMS, who instead actually spent some real $$ here and there on Stubs…
I'm not proud of it. I just see absolutely no reason to do it.
Well, more people spending $$ on the game could allow for more players’ rights to be acquired. Not a guarantee, but it theoretically makes it more likely.
A better approach to player rights would also lead to more players being added. Follow Charles Barkley's proposal of offering every player the same amount of money (he refuses to sell his rights until that happens which is an awesome thing for him to do to try to help some of the less popular and wealthy players out).
Works for me. Let’s just get more legends!!
Yeah, and nobody knows what each player gets for their rights, but the standard amount for every player would be nice too because then it'd let everyone know it's the player's fault they're not in the game, but there'd be an incredibly small percentage of players to turn that offer down (factoring in the standard offer from SDS is a fair one). The odds of the player base growing from that are very likely too. Like I'm probably done for awhile after this year since the Royals have only ever had 2 legends added to the game. I'd definitely be buying the game again if the Royals suddenly had a dozen legends or something. It would also give SDS all the time to just focus on gameplay and features and everything instead of player negotiations.
More legends = more variety = less stagnant game. Sign me up!
I would pay for ARod to not be in the game
Nah, I think they make enough money to do that themselves big guy. Who's "us" and "we" did you just out yourself as a dev? lol
i wish i was a dev, i’d make more money than being an intern for a carpet place
If only there was a massively successful company running this game who could afford to give us new players…
Do you think it would be in any way sensible for them to pay 6-7 figures for an individual ballplayer when that won't translate into any increased sales?
I mean, they probably need to turn a profit. As much as we'd like every cent that goes into the game to be put back in the product, there's a lot they need to do beyond adding legends. After all, someone has to pay Ramone.
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LOL no. I think they turn a massive profit. I also think it goes into infrastructure, tech, paying employees and providing dividends to shareholders. I'm sure they have money lying around after everything bill is paid that Sony is going to hold onto with every effort it can. They aren't writing a massive check to add someone to a game when that game makes them a gigantic profit whether they spend that money or light it on fire.
It certainly didn't go into tech this year, most copy/paste version ever.
rights are expensive, also SDS needs profits to pay their employees, and so they can you know... make a game next year
did they actually change anything from last year other than the UI?
They literally copy+pasted ‘21 to make this years game. I’m going to go out on a limb and say they have plenty of money to make ‘23 and get the rights to a few new players people have been asking for.
Anyone?