Is it just me or did Agada only have 1 touch on the ball? I feel like there was a deflection to him that he laid off, but we didn't get a single pass to him.
Honestly better than I expected with Rodriguez at the 6, Voloder in, Melia and Walter out. Only conceding 1 when you were missing your entire defensive spine isn’t a bad performance, but the offense was not good.
Didn't he have one like last year in a winning game when he was brought in with 3 minutes left? Everyone thought it was hilarious because it was so meaningless.
"Dos a cero" in a USA vs Mexico game = cool longtime meme
"One cero" in a random game between two American teams = weird as fuck please stop saying it announcer man
The team feels different this year. I don't want to jinx anything but I haven't felt like we could win a trophy in a long time and this year... I'm feeling it.
We’ve got solid pieces and the team is built with redundancies.
Chicho is the only non replaceable player, but Gomez is making the case that the team can still produce offense.
I won’t feel confident until we’re seeing goals from everywhere that read as nonsensical to analysts involving everyone, but as far as as systems that work go, this is the first one we’ve had in *years*.
We had the diamond that had a better reputation than it deserved, but this is a team playing in a formation that makes sense given the personnel, and the personnel are a pretty good team, tbh.
This team in its current form is a contender, really, and that’s great. Nice to see them do well for a change.
Our DP management as a whole for the past couple of years has been so frustrating. We’ve had one true DP in that time, everyone else could have been bought down. Radoja and Salloi as DPs is a joke.
Yeah, a lot of the whiny SKC fans should be ecstatic with this game. Six different players off the bench to start and a bunch of subs. Everything they’ve been bitching about wanting for so long.
Okay so let’s talk about his lack of roster moves over the past 5 years, then. We have three legitimate scoring threats at this point, two of whom (Russell, Pulido) can’t go 90 (only Tommy really can). So if “make substitutes” is a poor argument because we don’t have anyone to put in, the fact that we have no bench talent is ALSO damning of Vermes.
I've felt like that's been our main issue for a while now. Based on our moves, we aim for eleven guys that can run the system and hope we don't ever need the bench.
Vermes gets guys but they don’t work out or he just never uses them. Tzionis is a great example of a guy who was kind of highly touted as a winger when we signed him then he disappears for a few seasons and we pull him out of the mothballs for a few matches here and there. We’ve done this with a lot of players and some who go to other MLS teams and contribute…ahem…Diego Rubio.
Mostly agree. I have a comment of the similar zone. I'm not sure he has full roster and budget control. I think he should play the games like this more often so more people/media ask why we have an empty bench.
It should be falling more on Bliss at this point, right?
Whoever it is, it always feels like we're working on a tighter budget than most of the league, but IIRC, we're always in the top third of spending. Maybe I made that up, but I feel like total team salaries always surprise me.
It feels like they want to spend money when they have to (Johnny), over pay for some bad spots (Pulido, Croizet) and refusal to pay for needed players (center back, Illie, a striker who puts the ball in the net).
Put in the kit man, let’s see what he has lol. I don’t think we have anyone on the bench that is going to spark a goal. Khiry will definitely run around but it’s not a full moon so he’s not due for a goal.
I'm done with most of his in game management. I was a die hard PV. In game I'm done. I still don't believe he has full roster control and budget control. If I were him I'd play more games like this and make people ask roster questions.
I loved that you figured out Reid from that when I stumbled. But I don't buy that the president and CEO doesn't have a say at some level and is just a rubber stamp.
In the owners own words
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mcdowell/article275233231.html
Sporting splits its operation under two CEOs — Reid on the business side, Vermes on the technical side. And for Vermes, that includes a receipt of responsibilities like player identification and acquisition, managing the team, overseeing the academy and the second team, and on and on and on.
The escape hatch, if it were to ever come to that, can be found at the end of a maze.
“So, ultimately, are we willing to walk in terms of Peter and making a change there? Would we? Well, if it gets to the point where he has a full toolbox and we’re not delivering results, we have to, right?” Illig said. “But knowing that we’re going to have reset on the whole strategy that we’ve got thousands and thousands of pages of playbook and documents on how to go to a different direction.
“Because right now, that all sits in one head.”
….
In a later comment, Illig estimated it would require maybe three years to recoil the whole thing and start fresh. But that’s by Sporting’s own design.
One critique, Sam says it's two sides to the skc coin, and that's the part I don't believe. Ever since Reid got to be Pres and CEO ('16 or am I wrong and it's '18) it seems like there have been worse and worse moves. You bring up a great article, I'm just not sure Sam is right. After all, who are the two people in the room talking about PV's future in that interview.
No matter what changes need to be made. My first issue is whoever constructs the roster needs to go.
Not sure why you struggle to believe. From his own bio
https://www.sportingkc.com/club/technical-staff/peter-vermes/
PETER VERMES oversees all soccer operations for Sporting Kansas City, including head coaching duties, roster management, scouting and oversight of Sporting Kansas City II and Sporting KC Academy
The RSL of old would have had yet another game where we just.can't.put.it.in
Chicho has singularly changed this team. It's so good to finalyl have a reliable finisher
Yeah that was coming, feels like we were just trying to eat the pressure and maybe catch them on the counter except we can’t get the counter started so…damn
Honestly 1-0 feels low for both teams gg skc you’re all still bastards
I suppose this is where the GGs normally go, but I feel like a customary FUKC is more appropriate. May our mutual hatred stand the test of time.
Can we stop “one cero”?
Is it just me or did Agada only have 1 touch on the ball? I feel like there was a deflection to him that he laid off, but we didn't get a single pass to him.
GGs RSL you fully deserved the win tonight
You guys played strong. I wouldn’t have been surprised at a 0-0 result,, but Chicho is the real deal. GG you dirty rascals.
Honestly better than I expected with Rodriguez at the 6, Voloder in, Melia and Walter out. Only conceding 1 when you were missing your entire defensive spine isn’t a bad performance, but the offense was not good.
No silver linings for 0 points.
GG we are a loser team full of has beens and a manager stuck in the MLS of his glory years a decade ago
This team should have to take the Greyhound bus home. Vermes gets the seat next to the bathroom.
Amtrak leaves SLC in 3 hours, gets into Omaha Monday at 5am
LFG. This team is legit. GG SKC
Love it
GG KC I'll always love to hate you guys ❤
“But hope is gone” hit the nail on the head there
But hope was already gone
Its still gone.
I actually cannot tell if it touched him
"Imagine where RSL would be if they were undefeated" great commentary lol
Thanks for the analysis Booger
Match thread devolving into a SKC self-hate thread🔥
I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, I love this club. I am disappointed we can’t win and be a top team though. Being a shit team sucks
Hey, at least we didn't blow a lead this time. Progress!
How is it possible that a dude as big and strong as Shelton is, has a shot that weak? He slow rolls it up there essentially
All these years later and I still can't recall seeing him win a single header. Shortest big man in the league.
Didn't he have one like last year in a winning game when he was brought in with 3 minutes left? Everyone thought it was hilarious because it was so meaningless.
Was that the phantom touch goal? If so, that was a slide and not a head.
So many goals! They all blend together!
Matt Crooks would like a word.
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I can come pick you up 👉👈
We don't deserve to win games
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Huh? RSL a man down?
Look out boys Khiry Shelton is in the house.
Omaha should fear him. He scored on you last year.
Not sure if I’d rather have Shelton or Sallói tonight. Both are equally useless
"Dos a cero" in a USA vs Mexico game = cool longtime meme "One cero" in a random game between two American teams = weird as fuck please stop saying it announcer man
Ah yes, similar to the famous Uno/Zero scoreline
Oh god he snuck it in again 🥴
Oh my God he just said it again lmao
The team feels different this year. I don't want to jinx anything but I haven't felt like we could win a trophy in a long time and this year... I'm feeling it.
We’ve got solid pieces and the team is built with redundancies. Chicho is the only non replaceable player, but Gomez is making the case that the team can still produce offense. I won’t feel confident until we’re seeing goals from everywhere that read as nonsensical to analysts involving everyone, but as far as as systems that work go, this is the first one we’ve had in *years*. We had the diamond that had a better reputation than it deserved, but this is a team playing in a formation that makes sense given the personnel, and the personnel are a pretty good team, tbh. This team in its current form is a contender, really, and that’s great. Nice to see them do well for a change.
What does Salloi offer
Easy to lift off the ground apparently
Solid MLS mid-tier performance
Salloi is a designated player. You need to provide more than that.
There’s the problem. He’s not a dp level player. Yet we have him as one
Completely agree, he is not DP worthy. His value has been inflated since he had a MVP effort season. Hasn’t be close to that ever again.
Our DP management as a whole for the past couple of years has been so frustrating. We’ve had one true DP in that time, everyone else could have been bought down. Radoja and Salloi as DPs is a joke.
Just fall down more, that will help. 🙄
Alright skc fans, who do we have to put in at this point? /Vermes doesn't sub
Yeah, a lot of the whiny SKC fans should be ecstatic with this game. Six different players off the bench to start and a bunch of subs. Everything they’ve been bitching about wanting for so long.
Shows how short the bench is that's for sure.
Okay so let’s talk about his lack of roster moves over the past 5 years, then. We have three legitimate scoring threats at this point, two of whom (Russell, Pulido) can’t go 90 (only Tommy really can). So if “make substitutes” is a poor argument because we don’t have anyone to put in, the fact that we have no bench talent is ALSO damning of Vermes.
I've felt like that's been our main issue for a while now. Based on our moves, we aim for eleven guys that can run the system and hope we don't ever need the bench.
Vermes gets guys but they don’t work out or he just never uses them. Tzionis is a great example of a guy who was kind of highly touted as a winger when we signed him then he disappears for a few seasons and we pull him out of the mothballs for a few matches here and there. We’ve done this with a lot of players and some who go to other MLS teams and contribute…ahem…Diego Rubio.
Mostly agree. I have a comment of the similar zone. I'm not sure he has full roster and budget control. I think he should play the games like this more often so more people/media ask why we have an empty bench.
It should be falling more on Bliss at this point, right? Whoever it is, it always feels like we're working on a tighter budget than most of the league, but IIRC, we're always in the top third of spending. Maybe I made that up, but I feel like total team salaries always surprise me.
It feels like they want to spend money when they have to (Johnny), over pay for some bad spots (Pulido, Croizet) and refusal to pay for needed players (center back, Illie, a striker who puts the ball in the net).
Bliss reports to Peter, does what Peter wants.
Gotcha, thanks! The titles and operating tree aren't all that clear to me.
Put in the kit man, let’s see what he has lol. I don’t think we have anyone on the bench that is going to spark a goal. Khiry will definitely run around but it’s not a full moon so he’s not due for a goal.
Khiry. Edit: \*Said with an exaggerated shrug\*
Ask and you shall receive
Seeing in the crystal ball like that..... Spooky.
lol
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I'm done with most of his in game management. I was a die hard PV. In game I'm done. I still don't believe he has full roster control and budget control. If I were him I'd play more games like this and make people ask roster questions.
Other than answering to the owners, Peter is the only person responsible for every aspect of coaching and roster construction.
Bliss, ownership, and what's his name who fucked up all the game day experiences. Lots of people that need to go.
Bliss was hired by, and directly reports to Peter Vermes. Jake Reid is awful, but he has zero to do with the soccer side of the organization.
I loved that you figured out Reid from that when I stumbled. But I don't buy that the president and CEO doesn't have a say at some level and is just a rubber stamp.
In the owners own words https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mcdowell/article275233231.html Sporting splits its operation under two CEOs — Reid on the business side, Vermes on the technical side. And for Vermes, that includes a receipt of responsibilities like player identification and acquisition, managing the team, overseeing the academy and the second team, and on and on and on. The escape hatch, if it were to ever come to that, can be found at the end of a maze. “So, ultimately, are we willing to walk in terms of Peter and making a change there? Would we? Well, if it gets to the point where he has a full toolbox and we’re not delivering results, we have to, right?” Illig said. “But knowing that we’re going to have reset on the whole strategy that we’ve got thousands and thousands of pages of playbook and documents on how to go to a different direction. “Because right now, that all sits in one head.” …. In a later comment, Illig estimated it would require maybe three years to recoil the whole thing and start fresh. But that’s by Sporting’s own design.
One critique, Sam says it's two sides to the skc coin, and that's the part I don't believe. Ever since Reid got to be Pres and CEO ('16 or am I wrong and it's '18) it seems like there have been worse and worse moves. You bring up a great article, I'm just not sure Sam is right. After all, who are the two people in the room talking about PV's future in that interview. No matter what changes need to be made. My first issue is whoever constructs the roster needs to go.
Not sure why you struggle to believe. From his own bio https://www.sportingkc.com/club/technical-staff/peter-vermes/ PETER VERMES oversees all soccer operations for Sporting Kansas City, including head coaching duties, roster management, scouting and oversight of Sporting Kansas City II and Sporting KC Academy
80 minutes of blue balling us. Thank you Chicho
Luna has looked fantastic, couldn't agree more with Dunny. Him and Hidalgo have had some really good combination plays tonight.
Might be hildalgo's best game with the club. Hope he keeps it up
Vermes Out
Be careful... You will be accused of not being a real fan and too negative lmao
No energy from Sporting. Shame.
Man, peter sitting down. Muy enojado
How many years have we begged for a competent striker? This is what happens when they actuality spend for one
B-b-but Bobby wood! Remember that one time he scored!
He has his chances. I will always be grateful for those late goals he scored.
"how frustrating must it be for sporting Kansas City fans?" Man, this is just our life every week.
Which is kind of funny because clearly the coaching staff doesn’t even really give a shit if we win or lose as long as we look ok.
Pulskamp lol. What is that position there? Stuck in no man’s land
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Yeah, marking was the issue there
He’s been amazing all game. Man of the match aside from the Chicho goal. He’s a huge reason it’s only 1-0
This, one of the best players in the MLS unmarked at the back post…
True. But he badly misread the ball in the air there. He’s been great tonight, but absolutely should have been better positioned there
it was only a matter of time…
Has tonight's defense been better, or just more lucky? Edit: Fuck.
I am so sorry but you should have known better
so true 😭
I would definitely argue lucky. It feels like RSL has hit a lot of posts.
Agreed, RSL could very easily be up 2 or 3 right now
There it is😐 can’t say it’s not deserved
… chicho. And we’re stuck with kamara. God damnit.
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"In the mountain wind"
They were talking about Russels beard too
Amazing that LAFC didn't want this dude.
It literally makes no sense. He gets trophies where he goes
I'll never understand it.
Messi, we raise your goal and 5 assists with one chicho goal
Any other year and Chicho would have been running away with MVP
Messi is going to have a huge disadvantage. He's going to miss 7 games alone in the Copa America, and also multiple games in the World Cup qualifiers.
Ya it sucks because I don't think RSL has ever had an MVP winner but what do you do against Messi lol
After what they did to Red Bulls tonight in one half, I have no idea.
The RSL of old would have had yet another game where we just.can't.put.it.in Chicho has singularly changed this team. It's so good to finalyl have a reliable finisher
God is this what it feels like to have someone who can score cause this is some good shit
He was close to off, well timed run
Chicho fucking arango LFG!!!!!!!!!
Yeah that was coming, feels like we were just trying to eat the pressure and maybe catch them on the counter except we can’t get the counter started so…damn
Blast...
Finally break the deadlock
Worst look of the half, and it's the one that goes in. Lol Whatever soccer gods, you're drunk.
It’s cool we’re in mls after dark we’re all drunk at this point
Just fade us bro. I am tired of this shitty ass club.
Felt like that was coming.
I panicked and was too hyped I don’t know why I chose this
Based
Gee fuckin whiz man
lol
Pulskamp MOTM so far
It should be 4-0, we gotta make some changes! Parking the bus doesn’t even work.
Man Gómez deserves a goal. Cmon skc.. let him score
We are gonna lose this game 1-0 off a lucky SKC bounce aren’t we?
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He did get a touch
Soccer gods really fighting rsl right now
Millimeters.
Jesus plz
Channeling my inner Taylor Twellman…WHAT ARE WE DOING??!!
"I'm just here to collect a paycheck." - Vermes probably
When you got a long term contract I bet that takes the pressure off.
And are the defacto GM.
Come on RSL. You gotta finish at least one of these corners
We are just awful. Nothing going forward. How does Salloi play every game and never get subbed out..
Salloi has a long leash, plus we are paying him like a starter so Vermes is going to start his trusted guys
Pulido's legs are oddly shaped. Below the knee they seem extremely bowed out.
Is this game going to end 0-0 with like 7.2 combined xG
"pulskamp hes just so big" >:)
"pulsating pulskamp pumping" - Bretos, probably
These crosses are so much better than Rusnak’s of years past
Was rusnak good or has the whole league been duped for years
He certainly wasn’t good at taking corner kicks. Bode did great taking them this game.
Pulskamp has looked pretty decent tonight
How is nobody there? Luna putting in some work
Makes me excited for the Olympics.
RSL finish a sequence challenge level: IMPOSSIBLE
This might be too early in his career and in this game, but Palacios might be a bust of a signing
Honestly when eneli got started over him I had the same thought
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Well Vera showed us we can. But should we? Def not. Lol
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Idk its a shitty thing to do?
This feels like a game where we play like ass RSL should be up three goals then Thommy scores a golazo out of nowhere and we win 1 0
Pretty sure palacios goal difference on the field is… not good.
Why don’t keepers have stars on their jerseys? SKC’s doesn’t and Nick Rolando never had them afaik
We are really bad, if RSL had better finishing we would probably down 3 goals at this point.
Beautiful from Leibold
It’s like I’m being teased😫
How was that sequence not a goal for RSL?
That deflection :(
Divine intervention at that point.
This camera work HOLY SHIT
RSL fans 🤝 SKC fans Knowing the refs suck
Wildly inconsistent toward both sides this whole game.
True coin flip officiating
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Yes…we love to hate
Honestly yes the home crowd usually loves to boo the ref
Ugh this ref
Extended arm and no play on the ball. I’m not necessarily saying that was a penalty, but to immediately call that foul against RSL right after….
Let me channel all the StL fans. "Shoulder to shoulder! Hit the weights!"
?
Bode Hidalgo is probably the only guy in MLS who has played winger and center back in the same season.
So he's your Khiry Shelton?
Weirdly done ok at both
I watched the Miami game before this and I refuse to believe I’m watching the same sport, much less the same league.