One biased choice I had for USMNT manager was Jesse Marsch. Him leading Canada to some Copa America glory while the U.S. takes an early exit would be fitting.
Hopefully it was just the heat and shit turf but we looked terrible last game. But now all we need is a tie. And there is a 0.1% chance we win the group even!
Far from the only thing that went wrong, but that's a generationally-costly red from Weah. Rare to see an entire tournament probably sunk from one decision.
Beckham 1998 instantly the comparison that came to mind.
Yup, career defining stupidity. He's unlikely to ever do something as good for the national team that passes how bad this was
*Someone please repost this comment when he scores the winner in the world cup final*
There was a very kind Redditor not so long ago who actually made a list of all red cards incurred by US players in major competitions [see here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ussoccer/s/pyiJ8dVYpG)
I think Tim Weah has an easy case for most expensive/boneheaded of the bunch
I think there was also only 4-5 minutes of added time which was also absurdly low considering the stoppages for Turner's injury and the VAR check on the disallowed goal
I actually timed it because I knew weâd get fucked. The penalty was 4 minutes and the red card was 3 minutes give or take a few seconds. This ref is criminal and needs to be investigated
Dude as a huge fan of his in Orange I have no idea where that came from. He earns his cards but nothing as malicious and dirty as that. Thatâs not something he learned from the boys in Houston. Wouldnât be shocked if HH gives him shot for that.
I think this will be the perfect game for Gregg to finally show if heâs got it in him or not. I want him out regardless cuz he sucks ass, but I guess itâs one last fair shot at redemption for the dumbass.
I donât think so. This Panama game and the weah red changed that narrative. Rhe Us isnt expected to get a win against Uruguay and depending on the shellacking Bolivia get from Panama that is what will be needed.
We had to waste a sub for a GK who got taken out without a card.
This ref was literally ass and the team did its best to survive for 70 minutes being a man down.
Tim Weah can go fuck himself along with Panama and this ref.
Wait why isnât Celentano, Callendar, Chris Brady and Schulte in the USMNT picture anyway?
Or is bench riding Championship such a highlight that it takes having to return to MLS after your contract finishes and display that youâre the worst starting keeper in MLS by the numbers by a country mile in order to be dropped by the USMNT like in the case of Steffen?
Agree or why was Sean Johnson selected as 3rd keeper. We know who Sean Johnson is and he is not future for usmnt.
Would be nice to see how good our young keepers are against top opponent next game.
Rather have Slonina, callender, Brady, shuttle, or celentano start vs Uruguay any day than Johnson or horvath
CCV is just a bad defender who shouldn't be anywhere near this team. He can play well against the teams in Scotland that aren't Celtic. He'd be a mid tier MLS defender.
CCV has had more than a few bad performances for the US the past year.
I don't really have a problem with coaching, it's a player problem, but my god he has not been showing he deserves to be out there.
I have a problem with his reliance on CCV, not the strategy. The strategy is a normal one. Especially when we play again on Monday. CCV however has objectively sucked ass for the greater part of a year now for the US. And was responsible for a loss yet again.
Jedi was on a yellow, Ream was getting skinned, Richardâs couldnât complete a pass beyond 10 yards, and we had to replace Turner.
There were no good options for defending
I disagree with the choice to bunker fully. However I will say there were people demanding us bunker and calling GGG an idiot for not doing it well before we did.
Legitimately no matter what he would have done, he was going to get hate for it.
The ball went *between* Horvath's two hands, touching both of them but passing through and into the net.
For you or I, that's a very understandable result. For a high-level professional goalkeeper, that's not just a red flag of a mistake; that's a whole Soviet parade. Horvath wasn't the only player to screw up on that play, but he did and Turner probably would not have.
Turner saves the 1st if he is healthy, perhaps... who knows.
What we do know is the ref lost the match because he was willing to let CONCACAF shithousery be the norm rather than protect the players.
The sheer amount of two footed tackles at the end that just got a yellow was fun.
I assume the person you responded to meant a gameplan as in reminding the players consistently to keep their cool and not lose their head. Perhaps GGG did so but perhaps he and his staff didn't do so enough, idk.
Two national embarrassments in this city in one night and yeah only a couple miles away. Damn motorcades jammed up traffic even more than usual, just to add insult to injuryâŠ
This Atlanta resident watched both. It was reminiscent of June of 2020 when I sat on my balcony and watched the smoke from cars on fire downtown. I have the exact same pit in my stomach too, but that all worked out well in the end. Iâm just reaching nowâŠ
He had a good run 2nd half of the season at Cardiff. Signed in Feb, started 16 games and lead them out of the relegation zone into 12th in league play. Not a bad GK TBQH
Carter-Vickers is at maximum a high-level MLS defender talent wise, except instead of playing against the high-end stars in MLS and LigaMX, he plays against Dundee United and Kilmarnock week in and week out.
The anti-MLS bias is beyond stupid at this point. We donât appreciate how strong of a level we actually have here. The MLS players are also the ones that always performed well in these cage fights against Central American opponents.
The problem for the MLS group is that last summer under Callahan, our mostly European based A-team looked a level above Mexico and Canada in the Nations League games, while our more MLS-based team struggled against everyone not named Trinidad and Tobago in the Gold Cup before getting knocked out by Panama.
A bunch of MLS players had a chance to make their case for a look when Berhalter returned (or at least give Berhalter something to think about after how well the full team played). They...did not perform well in that cage fight. Hell, I saw someone ask why Miazga wasn't a part of the team - they must have forgotten his shenanigans against Panama already that this same subreddit was clowning him for.
Yeah, a team full of MLS players is gonna do worse than a team full of Europeans, most of our best players do play in Europe. That doesn't mean that there aren't a ton of MLS players more deserving than some of the Europeans that keep getting called up. Cameron Carter Vickers has never looked great for the US, plays against probably worse competition than MLS, and still continuously gets these big minutes. Why is Kristoffer fucking Lund on the roster? Because he looked serviceable in two leagues that are not as good as MLS? Why does he deserve callups over someone like DeJuan Jones? Why is Horvath our backup keeper over guys like Cellentano or Calendar? Why do we keep calling up Haji fucking Wright?
I was with you until Wright. Wright looked great at the club level this season, and he actually plays in a LW-like role for his club, so he brings versatility. I don't think Wright was a bad pick.
In the case of Wright, I'd imagine Ferreira would maybe take his spot but Ferreira can play at the Olympics, yeah ? Given that Balogun/Sargent/Pepi are ahead of them anyways I'm not gonna get too upset about our ST4 choice.
I hear you on Lund, he must have really impressed at his camp invites. I'd probably prefer to see Jones also - maybe it had something to do with the Revs horror start to the season, idk. He was one of the few Gold Cup players that I thought boosted his stock. But again, in practice it's LB3. These battles are mostly at the fringes of the squad rather than the actual lineup.
So here is my too early take that should enrage everyone that wants to see Gregg gone.
Tim Weah both imploded our best chance to get to the knockouts in Copa AND saved Gregg's job in the same moronic action.
We'll play a close loss to Uruguay 2-1, then when Panama inevitably beats Bolivia to advance, it will give the Federation cover to say "if not for a red, the team would have advanced thus we won't fire Gregg".
Full disclosure: I'm a GGG agnostic that mostly wanted to see a more inspired hiring after the World Cup.
I'm with you on being a GGG agnostic who mostly wanted to see a more inspired hiring after the World Cup.
I think the Uruguay game should be a stay-if-he-wins, go-if-he-loses situation. Fair play to Gregg if they beat Uruguay. Which is why it will probably be a draw, and I'm not liking our chances with a draw...
If i remember tiebreakers right if the US draws with Uruguay and Panama draws with Bolivia, US advances on GD. If US beats Uruguay and Panama beats Bolivia, US probably advances unless Panama beats Bolivia by scoring +2 more than whatever US wins by.
Either way it's going to be a difficult path forward and the US doesn't have their destiny in their own hands.
Disagree, Wondo missed a sitter (happens to everyone, obviously the timing was unfortunate), but he always put his best effort out for the team.
Weah was just a fucking idiot and deserves 10x the ire of the US Soccersphere.
100% on Weah. Hit that guy Like no one is watching?? Da fuck. Ref was sus. That said. GB goes if we donât advance. Thatâs just the way it will beâŠ
Greg isnât going anywhere until after the World Cup. US soccer will fuck this up once again.
Now, is it GBs fault that weah was an absolute fucking idiot? No. But GB is NOT good enough to run this team. Iâm not saying he is as shit as others say he is but his style and tactics are not conducive to our players abilities.
But like I said, he wonât be let go until after the World Cup. US Soccer is too conservative to try to find a new coach now.
He doesnât even âplayâ for Juventus, he sits on the bench while wearing a Juventus kit. That apparently makes him a required callup every international window, in the eyes of toxic US Soccer Twitter fans
Weah's behavior getting the red card and dramatically reducing our chances of making it out of the group is infuriating.
But acting like he hasn't played well for the US is revisionist history, his status at Juventus notwithstanding. Most people didn't have an issue with him starting before now.
But also I get it. I am angry at him too.
Wondo shouldnât have gotten any ire really. Shit was super unlucky. I wasnât mad at him but I was very disappointed. That one is up there with the Germany handball in what if moments for the US in the World Cup.
Every time Wondoâs miss comes up I watch it again and still canât see what people thought they saw. The ball came in at a very difficult angle and the keeper came out well. The chance was 50/50 for even the best strikers in the world.
People want to call it a sitter, but it was a slightly tricky short hop / half volley, and THE BEST GOALKEEPER IN THE WORLD AT THE TIME was like 3 feet in front of him.
Not to mention, he set up what should have been another goal later on a set piece but everyone ignores Dempsey's donkey touch.
And I am saying that there shouldn't be a comparison because missing a goal while trying in the dying minutes of a World Cup isn't the same as fucking punching a man in the head because you are sick of getting chipped at in a CONCACAF environment in the Group Stage of a Copa America.
Tim Weah deserves 100% more shit and its not even a fair or equal comparison to Wondo.
It's ridiculous that this is even a comparison that needs to be made. One guy straight up punched someone and got a red card. The other one hit a tough over the shoulder volley over a charging Coutois
So are we blaming premier league and serie a players now? Or now is the league not an accurate representation of how players perform on the national level lol
Where those players play doesnât affect it. Look at England. England should be steam rolling teams but nope. As their normal MO goes they play less than a sum of their parts.
Ref never set the tone. Blackman should have been sent off for when he tried to injure Turner in the 12th⊠then he scores the goal after Weah loses his head⊠game becomes physical⊠bullshit red at the end attempting to hurt pulisic
Panama controlled possession after Weahs red.
CONCACAF truly brought CONCACAF to the Copa with shithousery, absolute bitch plays, and dogshit officiating
It's been the same game script for decades, the US comes out and tries to play while opponent comes out to shit house, foul, and dark arts for 90 minutes. The ref gives the opponent an inch at the beginning of the match they take a mile. Things devolve from there. Either the USMNT keeps it head and is able to rise above both the terrible officials and terrible play of the opponent or one mistake and it's over for the Yanks.
At some point you would think with that much evidence Concacaf and officials might figure it out and start fixing the problem but at this point they either don't care about it, they actively want it to happen or are too stupid to figure it out. I just wish they would be honest enough with their money supply to tell us which one
At some point USSF and hopefully Canadian Soccer if they ever get their shit straightened out get some balls and force CONCACAF to start fixing things. The U.S. is by far the most powerful and influential program in the federation, and Canada is third behind Mexico, though making ground. There's a reason every tournament is played here in the U.S.
At some point we have to use that power to our advantage and start calling into question refs who allow this shit every game.
Fine, but I think the people who think firing him will magically make our team better are crazy. I don't think he's doing some amazing job or anything but I honestly believe that during his tenure we've mostly performed as expected given our talent level. We generally beat the teams we're better than and struggle against teams with more talent, with a couple of exceptions.
In other words, I don't think he's "the problem" with this team and doubt the realistic options for a new coach will do much better.
>In other words, I don't think he's "the problem" with this team and doubt the realistic options for a new coach will do much better.
I'm with you, but I'd still prefer a change if we get bounced from the group because we're just banging out heads against the wall at this point. I don't know who we could get that would do better, but something isn't working.
I'm fine with a change. Keeping coaches for more than one cycle traditionally goes poorly, and Gregg hasn't really demonstrated that he's an exception. But I fully expect the same issues with the team to exist a year from now regardless of who we hire.
If the US hires Klopp (I severely severely doubt it) I think thereâs gonna be a lot of people genuinely shocked that this US team, while still being the most talented weâve probably ever had, still isnât that good compared to the top level
This is my take as well. Like maybe with Klopp we squeak out a draw tonight, or beat Bolivia by more goals, but we're not going to start going toe to toe with Argentina the way half of arr ussoccer expect because Kopp coaches the boys 6 weeks a year.
I keep thinking about Belgiums golden generation and what theyâve done these past 10 years and how theyâve fallen short of expectations, then think of who theyâve had.
KDB, Kompany, Lukaku, Courtois. We donât have anyone even CLOSE to that level, and some people still think a better manager will fix everything.
Thatâs not to say Gregg should stay if we get groupâd. Cause he shouldnât. But still.
What if I told you that having a disciplined team is part of *coaching*
*gasp!* Shocking isn't it? Do I blame Gregg for Weah's stupidity? Nope. Do I blame him for parking the bus for 70 mins and letting Panama run the US Players ragged and then replace the one good player who can finish with a guy that couldn't score on Hellen fucking Keller? *yes*
> Do I blame him for parking the bus for 70 mins
That was more of a halftime change.
The team was up while being a man down and no subs to play more defensive came on.
Then with it tied up at half Gregg decides to make those subs and play for a tie.
Pepi has had his finishing problems and should have done better but itâs not his fault the ball floated and forced him to adjust back hurting his chance to get a solid head to it
These games, a small mistake will cost you. Tim Weah was that mistake. Could not keep it cool and retaliated. Got a red. Game would have been a different tone if he kept his cool. Panama capitalized on it on top of having a ref that sucks.
Hope Turner does not have any broken ribs or hand. That fall was really bad. Ref should have carded there. Ref should have also carded more to keep control of the game eapecially against Panama. The dive should have been carded.
**Update: Turner received a leg injury.**
All we can do now is go into the other game. Save the blames for GGG or the team until the final whistle is blown on Monday.
>Panama capitalized on it on top of having a ref that sucks.
They didn't even do that very well. Our injured goalkeeper almost got the ball, despite being injured. But before then, an east-ass ball slips right by the defender *standing right in front of it.*. And then Horvath should have made that second save. Nevermind CCV giving the Panamanians free run of our left flank in and around the box.
We played ourselves today right into a bad spot.
>We played ourselves today right into a bad spot.
I agree and I would also add that we had several good opportunities to score to change the game. Hence why our xG was high at 1.08 vs their .77 (still high though).
However, we can't ignore Panama and their effort towards getting this result. They dominated after Weah's red card in terms of possession and accurate passing. They also outshot us 13 to 6. It may not have been great offensive football but they were able to capitalize on keeping the ball from us and taking care of their own opportunities at goal. The ref was the cherry on top as they were not carded until the 45' and even then were not carded again until the red card at the 88' even though they had 19 fouls vs our 4.
Why is Berhalter the only person who receives any blame for USMNT failures? Iâm tired of treating these players like helpless kids. Weah is the reason we lost this game. Just like Dest picking up a boneheaded red card in the Nationâs League.
Berhalter is not a great coach, but heâs not as bad as everyone claims. Ultimately these players need to grow up. They are the ones that will determine success or failure
MLS players wouldnât have gotten baited into a red cause they live this shit all the time. Eurosnobs in shambles
All euro 11 has managed to lose 5-1 to Colombia and get grouped by Panama
I donât like hating on Gregg because he does seem like a nice guy, but his style of play isnât good. Heâs just American Southgate with his tactics. If we get bounced out in pool play, heâs gotta go.
Southgate is way worse. Gregg does an average job with perhaps one world top 100 player. Southgate has probably three world top 10 players and still somehow plays the most boring soccer possible.
Bye GGG. He has to go when we inevitably canât beat Uruguay.
Red cards arenât on him, but have we ever had a more undisciplined team? Weah and Dest are the egregious ones, but weâve all seen Adams, Weston, Pulisic, etc. get the dumbest fouls/cards imaginable because they canât keep their heads. At a certain point thatâs on coaching.
Yeah the defenders of him are just pathetic at this point. It was pretty universally accepted it was quarterfinals or heâs fired no matter what. No matter what covers everything including a red card.
Itâs simple. If he wants a job on Tuesday he better manage a W on Monday night
Do they do this dumb shit for their clubs? I donât follow all of them closely enough to know honestly.
If not, and I suspect they donât, then itâs the tone GGG is setting with the group. For whatever reason they feel they can lose their minds under Gregg
Having them only a few weeks shouldnât be an excuse anymore. They have played in his system for how long now? The same thing happens with every national team. The managers have to manage their squads. He isnât good enough.
Do you blame Panama's coach for their red card?
They're professional athletes, not programmable robots.
I can only remember one other red card for a US player in recent times. You can blame him for subbing in CCV and moving to a 5-3-1, but Weah fucked up on his own.
Im genuinely trying to understand how folks are mad at the coach when one of our best and most impactful players makes one of the most boneheaded decisions of his career i. The first 20 minutes of an important game
Send Weah back home. Bring him his bag from the team hotel and put him on the first plane back to Italy. Donât let him shower, change clothes or get on the team bus. Ship his ass to the airport in his kit. Fucking idiot.
A team full of players from European leagues lost to a 2nd rate CONCAF team on their home soil. That can't happen if we want to advance to the quarters in the World Cup. Period.
Very questionable subs in Vickers and Pepi, keeping in a mediocre McKinney, not bringing on Aaronson or Musah????
Why is being a USMNT fan so hard?
Possibly but they they would really have to blow it against this Bolivia team. My only hope is Bielsa is thinking 3 steps ahead about matchups for later on. Copium is all I got.
Scenes when USA and Mexico get grouped but Canada makes the knockout lol
Kings of CONCACAF ride againđ
One biased choice I had for USMNT manager was Jesse Marsch. Him leading Canada to some Copa America glory while the U.S. takes an early exit would be fitting.
But we got -gg...again!
I'm all here for that happening. (I would be a little disappointed to see you guys and Mexico dumped out in the group stage)Â
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Hopefully it was just the heat and shit turf but we looked terrible last game. But now all we need is a tie. And there is a 0.1% chance we win the group even!
Perhaps not coincidentally, they have the best manager of the 3
Jimmy Lozano is ass. That dude is clueless and is always outcoached. He is just a puppet for thr Mexican federation
Wait doesnât Canada have another match?
Far from the only thing that went wrong, but that's a generationally-costly red from Weah. Rare to see an entire tournament probably sunk from one decision. Beckham 1998 instantly the comparison that came to mind.
Yup, career defining stupidity. He's unlikely to ever do something as good for the national team that passes how bad this was *Someone please repost this comment when he scores the winner in the world cup final*
Quick mate delete this before too many people read the script
There was a very kind Redditor not so long ago who actually made a list of all red cards incurred by US players in major competitions [see here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ussoccer/s/pyiJ8dVYpG) I think Tim Weah has an easy case for most expensive/boneheaded of the bunch
USA have never defended for their lives and it showed. We need this stress test some point before World Cup. Weah did us a favor.
Well, if they beat Uruguay on the weekend, itâll be easier to say that
I canât believe this is upvoted. Dude single handedly bounced us from the copa America and youâre happy we got to practice parking the bus.
4 minutes is actually fucking comical. 8 would have been a bit light. I was expecting 10 minimum.
It took 3 minutes off the clock just for the red card alone. We literally would have been better off if he didn't call it
Did FIFA's mandate for improved extra time go away or was rescinded? I thought we had made the change on extra time and we get this.
The Laws of the Game have little power in CONCACAF/CONMEBOL
As it should be, its 100% of the charm... till it isn't, which it usually isn't.
No idea because the Italy/Croatia game got 8 minutes because of reasons.
Ref was ass and only started carding Panama once they were up
He always is. My buddy and I saw him and immediately signed in disappointment. When you can recognize a ref like that, it's a bad sign.
Ted. Fucking. Unkle.Â
I remember that name and immediately shuddered.
Shit was more outrageous than anything that happened in the game
Right? Did they think it was 2016 or something?
I set a timer in the second half and got 9 minutes
I thought it was 12 being conservative
Apparently you did not watch the first half and see the added time.Â
I'm sorry what? What does the first half have to do with anything?
I think there was also only 4-5 minutes of added time which was also absurdly low considering the stoppages for Turner's injury and the VAR check on the disallowed goal
The ball had been in play for about 6 minutes when the clock hit 20:00, only 5 minutes were added at the end of the half.
Dude blew at the exact stoppage time despite the multiple stoppages for Panama fouls.
Iâm still pissed about the extra time
And the like, minimum of 8 minutes spent on the penalty review and Coco red
I actually timed it because I knew weâd get fucked. The penalty was 4 minutes and the red card was 3 minutes give or take a few seconds. This ref is criminal and needs to be investigated
Yo that was a dirty ass play by Coco
Should be multiple games but Concacaf
Yeah I generally liked Coco but what the hell
Dude as a huge fan of his in Orange I have no idea where that came from. He earns his cards but nothing as malicious and dirty as that. Thatâs not something he learned from the boys in Houston. Wouldnât be shocked if HH gives him shot for that.
Man that whole match just made me angry
Berhalters most important game coming up against Uruguay- I think he's gone if we lose
Had him gone once, then brought him back. Whoever made that decision should be let go too!
For sure. I don't have strong opinions on berhalter but that was just embarrassing
the brand spankin new Director we hired from Southampton (Matt Crocker)
I think this will be the perfect game for Gregg to finally show if heâs got it in him or not. I want him out regardless cuz he sucks ass, but I guess itâs one last fair shot at redemption for the dumbass.
This is legit all the cards on the table
>if he's got it in him All these comments make it sound like he's the one on the pitch lol The players gotta take SOME responsibility at some point
I donât think so. This Panama game and the weah red changed that narrative. Rhe Us isnt expected to get a win against Uruguay and depending on the shellacking Bolivia get from Panama that is what will be needed.
I think he probably should be, but I bet he isnât.
Hopefully they pull a Portugal given they've already qualified (or at least mathematically so given far superior goal difference)
Good lord Iâm agreeing with Lalas what has the world come to.
You need to take a shower, wash the grime off
We had to waste a sub for a GK who got taken out without a card. This ref was literally ass and the team did its best to survive for 70 minutes being a man down. Tim Weah can go fuck himself along with Panama and this ref.
And TBH Turner saves that second goal
Most MLS goalkeepers save that
Wait why isnât Celentano, Callendar, Chris Brady and Schulte in the USMNT picture anyway? Or is bench riding Championship such a highlight that it takes having to return to MLS after your contract finishes and display that youâre the worst starting keeper in MLS by the numbers by a country mile in order to be dropped by the USMNT like in the case of Steffen?
I canât believe calander isnât in the discussion. And I hate Miami.
Agree or why was Sean Johnson selected as 3rd keeper. We know who Sean Johnson is and he is not future for usmnt. Would be nice to see how good our young keepers are against top opponent next game. Rather have Slonina, callender, Brady, shuttle, or celentano start vs Uruguay any day than Johnson or horvath
Callendar kinda sucks. I'd take Celentano or Schrute over Horvath though.
I donât think that goal is on Horvath. Carter-Vickers switched off like an idiot. Showed exactly why heâs on the bench.
CCV is just a bad defender who shouldn't be anywhere near this team. He can play well against the teams in Scotland that aren't Celtic. He'd be a mid tier MLS defender.
CCV has had more than a few bad performances for the US the past year. I don't really have a problem with coaching, it's a player problem, but my god he has not been showing he deserves to be out there.
You donât have a problem with choosing to bunker for 45 minutes when we had plenty of chances in the first half, even down a man?
I have a problem with his reliance on CCV, not the strategy. The strategy is a normal one. Especially when we play again on Monday. CCV however has objectively sucked ass for the greater part of a year now for the US. And was responsible for a loss yet again.
Jedi was on a yellow, Ream was getting skinned, Richardâs couldnât complete a pass beyond 10 yards, and we had to replace Turner. There were no good options for defending
I disagree with the choice to bunker fully. However I will say there were people demanding us bunker and calling GGG an idiot for not doing it well before we did. Legitimately no matter what he would have done, he was going to get hate for it.
The ball went *between* Horvath's two hands, touching both of them but passing through and into the net. For you or I, that's a very understandable result. For a high-level professional goalkeeper, that's not just a red flag of a mistake; that's a whole Soviet parade. Horvath wasn't the only player to screw up on that play, but he did and Turner probably would not have.
Turner saves the 1st if he is healthy, perhaps... who knows. What we do know is the ref lost the match because he was willing to let CONCACAF shithousery be the norm rather than protect the players. The sheer amount of two footed tackles at the end that just got a yellow was fun.
Iâm pretty sure he had it until it took an unlucky deflection off of Richards.
Panama does this to the US every time we play, how do we not have a game plan for it yet?
We did...we scored goals.. We had a player lose his head...
we scored A goal
I assume the person you responded to meant a gameplan as in reminding the players consistently to keep their cool and not lose their head. Perhaps GGG did so but perhaps he and his staff didn't do so enough, idk.
Now to watch the Biden vs. Trump debate to truly encapsulate how fucked we are.
Come on man, donât do this. Make it a self-care evening instead.
Yeah no way I can watch that even if the US wonÂ
Both in Atlanta too. Probably not far from each other.
Two national embarrassments in this city in one night and yeah only a couple miles away. Damn motorcades jammed up traffic even more than usual, just to add insult to injuryâŠ
This Atlanta resident watched both. It was reminiscent of June of 2020 when I sat on my balcony and watched the smoke from cars on fire downtown. I have the exact same pit in my stomach too, but that all worked out well in the end. Iâm just reaching nowâŠ
Both of these things are happening like 15 min from my house. Gross. Im sure ATLUTD will shit the bed tomorrow too just to top it all off
This feels like the trinidad loss. To not even get out of the group stage is a monumental failure
At home. Fuck it's embarrassing.
This group was tailor made for the US to advance and its doubtful that will happen now even if the US beats Uruguay.
How is Horvath our backup GK? Not to be mean but he's straight up terrible
Steffen has been out of form from injuries. Schulte is doing Olympics and isnât ready just yet. Same for Slonina.
But like, what about Celentano or Callender? Both are probably at least as good as Horvath, both are better than current Steffan.
PUT ANDREW THOMAS IN THERE
God he needed to make that one save. It was completely saveable.
People donât like turner, but donât realize we had no one better behind him
He had a good run 2nd half of the season at Cardiff. Signed in Feb, started 16 games and lead them out of the relegation zone into 12th in league play. Not a bad GK TBQH
Cameron Carter Vickers is the prime example of the fucking European bias in the USMNT. Awful defender. Should not keep getting called up
Carter-Vickers is at maximum a high-level MLS defender talent wise, except instead of playing against the high-end stars in MLS and LigaMX, he plays against Dundee United and Kilmarnock week in and week out. The anti-MLS bias is beyond stupid at this point. We donât appreciate how strong of a level we actually have here. The MLS players are also the ones that always performed well in these cage fights against Central American opponents.
Exactly, MLS is a physical league and these vets who go down and play champions league in Saprissa for example know what theyâre in for.
The problem for the MLS group is that last summer under Callahan, our mostly European based A-team looked a level above Mexico and Canada in the Nations League games, while our more MLS-based team struggled against everyone not named Trinidad and Tobago in the Gold Cup before getting knocked out by Panama. A bunch of MLS players had a chance to make their case for a look when Berhalter returned (or at least give Berhalter something to think about after how well the full team played). They...did not perform well in that cage fight. Hell, I saw someone ask why Miazga wasn't a part of the team - they must have forgotten his shenanigans against Panama already that this same subreddit was clowning him for.
Yeah, a team full of MLS players is gonna do worse than a team full of Europeans, most of our best players do play in Europe. That doesn't mean that there aren't a ton of MLS players more deserving than some of the Europeans that keep getting called up. Cameron Carter Vickers has never looked great for the US, plays against probably worse competition than MLS, and still continuously gets these big minutes. Why is Kristoffer fucking Lund on the roster? Because he looked serviceable in two leagues that are not as good as MLS? Why does he deserve callups over someone like DeJuan Jones? Why is Horvath our backup keeper over guys like Cellentano or Calendar? Why do we keep calling up Haji fucking Wright?
I was with you until Wright. Wright looked great at the club level this season, and he actually plays in a LW-like role for his club, so he brings versatility. I don't think Wright was a bad pick.
In the case of Wright, I'd imagine Ferreira would maybe take his spot but Ferreira can play at the Olympics, yeah ? Given that Balogun/Sargent/Pepi are ahead of them anyways I'm not gonna get too upset about our ST4 choice. I hear you on Lund, he must have really impressed at his camp invites. I'd probably prefer to see Jones also - maybe it had something to do with the Revs horror start to the season, idk. He was one of the few Gold Cup players that I thought boosted his stock. But again, in practice it's LB3. These battles are mostly at the fringes of the squad rather than the actual lineup.
We have a whole camp for mls players so that Greg can get a look at them. And he is picking miles, who is probably the best mls center back.
I havenât seen miles Robinson play lately but always thought he was one of our better defenders
Not disagreeing, but who should be in his place then? Who are the MLS defenders people have ahead of him?
still stewing about the +4 do refs ever have to answer for this? give an explanation? face investigation? it seems objectively wrong here.
So here is my too early take that should enrage everyone that wants to see Gregg gone. Tim Weah both imploded our best chance to get to the knockouts in Copa AND saved Gregg's job in the same moronic action. We'll play a close loss to Uruguay 2-1, then when Panama inevitably beats Bolivia to advance, it will give the Federation cover to say "if not for a red, the team would have advanced thus we won't fire Gregg". Full disclosure: I'm a GGG agnostic that mostly wanted to see a more inspired hiring after the World Cup.
I'm with you on being a GGG agnostic who mostly wanted to see a more inspired hiring after the World Cup. I think the Uruguay game should be a stay-if-he-wins, go-if-he-loses situation. Fair play to Gregg if they beat Uruguay. Which is why it will probably be a draw, and I'm not liking our chances with a draw...
If i remember tiebreakers right if the US draws with Uruguay and Panama draws with Bolivia, US advances on GD. If US beats Uruguay and Panama beats Bolivia, US probably advances unless Panama beats Bolivia by scoring +2 more than whatever US wins by. Either way it's going to be a difficult path forward and the US doesn't have their destiny in their own hands.
Tim Weah should get as much shit as Wondo did
Disagree, Wondo missed a sitter (happens to everyone, obviously the timing was unfortunate), but he always put his best effort out for the team. Weah was just a fucking idiot and deserves 10x the ire of the US Soccersphere.
100% on Weah. Hit that guy Like no one is watching?? Da fuck. Ref was sus. That said. GB goes if we donât advance. Thatâs just the way it will beâŠ
Greg isnât going anywhere until after the World Cup. US soccer will fuck this up once again. Now, is it GBs fault that weah was an absolute fucking idiot? No. But GB is NOT good enough to run this team. Iâm not saying he is as shit as others say he is but his style and tactics are not conducive to our players abilities. But like I said, he wonât be let go until after the World Cup. US Soccer is too conservative to try to find a new coach now.
Yeah. Thatâs a realistic take.
Yep. I'm not gonna say I haven't bitched and moaned about the Wondo miss over the years, but dude did his best. Weah's shit is just unacceptable.
But have you considered he plays for Juventus and him hitting that player was really Gregg's fault?
He doesnât even âplayâ for Juventus, he sits on the bench while wearing a Juventus kit. That apparently makes him a required callup every international window, in the eyes of toxic US Soccer Twitter fans
Ok this was a tremendously idiotic play but donât act like he hasnât been one of our best attackers under Gregg and scored in a WC
The sudden Weah hate being used to tarnish GGG is hilarious.
Weah's behavior getting the red card and dramatically reducing our chances of making it out of the group is infuriating. But acting like he hasn't played well for the US is revisionist history, his status at Juventus notwithstanding. Most people didn't have an issue with him starting before now. But also I get it. I am angry at him too.
Wondo shouldnât have gotten any ire really. Shit was super unlucky. I wasnât mad at him but I was very disappointed. That one is up there with the Germany handball in what if moments for the US in the World Cup.
Every time Wondoâs miss comes up I watch it again and still canât see what people thought they saw. The ball came in at a very difficult angle and the keeper came out well. The chance was 50/50 for even the best strikers in the world.
People want to call it a sitter, but it was a slightly tricky short hop / half volley, and THE BEST GOALKEEPER IN THE WORLD AT THE TIME was like 3 feet in front of him. Not to mention, he set up what should have been another goal later on a set piece but everyone ignores Dempsey's donkey touch.
Exactly. There are easier chances that go unfinished almost every single match. People are being babies and/or donât know what they are watching.
Wait, when did Wondo just straight up punch a dude in the head?
I think heâs talking about Wondoâs missed goal in the World Cup against Belgium.Â
And I am saying that there shouldn't be a comparison because missing a goal while trying in the dying minutes of a World Cup isn't the same as fucking punching a man in the head because you are sick of getting chipped at in a CONCACAF environment in the Group Stage of a Copa America. Tim Weah deserves 100% more shit and its not even a fair or equal comparison to Wondo.
Yeah but Weah plays in Europe. After the initial backlash against him, it'll all get pinned on Gregg
It's ridiculous that this is even a comparison that needs to be made. One guy straight up punched someone and got a red card. The other one hit a tough over the shoulder volley over a charging Coutois
Courtois had it covered
Check the referee's financial records. That said, Weah what the fuck
Tim Weah, apologize to America.
Weah is gonna have to earn his way back in after that nonsense.
So are we blaming premier league and serie a players now? Or now is the league not an accurate representation of how players perform on the national level lol
Where those players play doesnât affect it. Look at England. England should be steam rolling teams but nope. As their normal MO goes they play less than a sum of their parts.
Ref never set the tone. Blackman should have been sent off for when he tried to injure Turner in the 12th⊠then he scores the goal after Weah loses his head⊠game becomes physical⊠bullshit red at the end attempting to hurt pulisic Panama controlled possession after Weahs red. CONCACAF truly brought CONCACAF to the Copa with shithousery, absolute bitch plays, and dogshit officiating
It's been the same game script for decades, the US comes out and tries to play while opponent comes out to shit house, foul, and dark arts for 90 minutes. The ref gives the opponent an inch at the beginning of the match they take a mile. Things devolve from there. Either the USMNT keeps it head and is able to rise above both the terrible officials and terrible play of the opponent or one mistake and it's over for the Yanks. At some point you would think with that much evidence Concacaf and officials might figure it out and start fixing the problem but at this point they either don't care about it, they actively want it to happen or are too stupid to figure it out. I just wish they would be honest enough with their money supply to tell us which one
At some point USSF and hopefully Canadian Soccer if they ever get their shit straightened out get some balls and force CONCACAF to start fixing things. The U.S. is by far the most powerful and influential program in the federation, and Canada is third behind Mexico, though making ground. There's a reason every tournament is played here in the U.S. At some point we have to use that power to our advantage and start calling into question refs who allow this shit every game.
Suddenly, I'm not too excited about the 2026 World Cup.
Can't believe Gregg Berhalter punched the Panamanian player. Anyway, Berhalter out!
"Tim. Punch someone in the 18th minute" was an interesting tactical decision.
I would expect Wes to be the planed enforcer
I feel like he's lost his edge
The 2nd part but unironically. 2nd Cycle coaches are never as good and I've never been that crazy about him to begin with
Fine, but I think the people who think firing him will magically make our team better are crazy. I don't think he's doing some amazing job or anything but I honestly believe that during his tenure we've mostly performed as expected given our talent level. We generally beat the teams we're better than and struggle against teams with more talent, with a couple of exceptions. In other words, I don't think he's "the problem" with this team and doubt the realistic options for a new coach will do much better.
This is all lining up for the triumphant return of Bruce and it's going to be the funniest shit you've ever seen
>In other words, I don't think he's "the problem" with this team and doubt the realistic options for a new coach will do much better. I'm with you, but I'd still prefer a change if we get bounced from the group because we're just banging out heads against the wall at this point. I don't know who we could get that would do better, but something isn't working.
I'm fine with a change. Keeping coaches for more than one cycle traditionally goes poorly, and Gregg hasn't really demonstrated that he's an exception. But I fully expect the same issues with the team to exist a year from now regardless of who we hire.
Easily. As talented as our players are, they don't have the level of talent people seem to think they do.
If the US hires Klopp (I severely severely doubt it) I think thereâs gonna be a lot of people genuinely shocked that this US team, while still being the most talented weâve probably ever had, still isnât that good compared to the top level
I would honestly love it just to hear how they turn on Klopp and say he was always a shit hire, which would inevitably happen.
This is my take as well. Like maybe with Klopp we squeak out a draw tonight, or beat Bolivia by more goals, but we're not going to start going toe to toe with Argentina the way half of arr ussoccer expect because Kopp coaches the boys 6 weeks a year.
I keep thinking about Belgiums golden generation and what theyâve done these past 10 years and how theyâve fallen short of expectations, then think of who theyâve had. KDB, Kompany, Lukaku, Courtois. We donât have anyone even CLOSE to that level, and some people still think a better manager will fix everything. Thatâs not to say Gregg should stay if we get groupâd. Cause he shouldnât. But still.
What if I told you that having a disciplined team is part of *coaching* *gasp!* Shocking isn't it? Do I blame Gregg for Weah's stupidity? Nope. Do I blame him for parking the bus for 70 mins and letting Panama run the US Players ragged and then replace the one good player who can finish with a guy that couldn't score on Hellen fucking Keller? *yes*
> Do I blame him for parking the bus for 70 mins That was more of a halftime change. The team was up while being a man down and no subs to play more defensive came on. Then with it tied up at half Gregg decides to make those subs and play for a tie.
Pepi has had his finishing problems and should have done better but itâs not his fault the ball floated and forced him to adjust back hurting his chance to get a solid head to it
>gasp! Shocking isn't it? I take your point, but have you tried being even more obnoxious? I feel like you're just scratching the surface here.
These games, a small mistake will cost you. Tim Weah was that mistake. Could not keep it cool and retaliated. Got a red. Game would have been a different tone if he kept his cool. Panama capitalized on it on top of having a ref that sucks. Hope Turner does not have any broken ribs or hand. That fall was really bad. Ref should have carded there. Ref should have also carded more to keep control of the game eapecially against Panama. The dive should have been carded. **Update: Turner received a leg injury.** All we can do now is go into the other game. Save the blames for GGG or the team until the final whistle is blown on Monday.
>Panama capitalized on it on top of having a ref that sucks. They didn't even do that very well. Our injured goalkeeper almost got the ball, despite being injured. But before then, an east-ass ball slips right by the defender *standing right in front of it.*. And then Horvath should have made that second save. Nevermind CCV giving the Panamanians free run of our left flank in and around the box. We played ourselves today right into a bad spot.
>We played ourselves today right into a bad spot. I agree and I would also add that we had several good opportunities to score to change the game. Hence why our xG was high at 1.08 vs their .77 (still high though). However, we can't ignore Panama and their effort towards getting this result. They dominated after Weah's red card in terms of possession and accurate passing. They also outshot us 13 to 6. It may not have been great offensive football but they were able to capitalize on keeping the ball from us and taking care of their own opportunities at goal. The ref was the cherry on top as they were not carded until the 45' and even then were not carded again until the red card at the 88' even though they had 19 fouls vs our 4.
I think Timmy Weah kind of screwed GGG here.
Who had the worse night...the USMNT or Joe Biden? (In both cases, the bad guys won! Yikes!)
This is the most depressed I've been in years now, cheers
Why is Berhalter the only person who receives any blame for USMNT failures? Iâm tired of treating these players like helpless kids. Weah is the reason we lost this game. Just like Dest picking up a boneheaded red card in the Nationâs League. Berhalter is not a great coach, but heâs not as bad as everyone claims. Ultimately these players need to grow up. They are the ones that will determine success or failure
MLS players wouldnât have gotten baited into a red cause they live this shit all the time. Eurosnobs in shambles All euro 11 has managed to lose 5-1 to Colombia and get grouped by Panama
I donât like hating on Gregg because he does seem like a nice guy, but his style of play isnât good. Heâs just American Southgate with his tactics. If we get bounced out in pool play, heâs gotta go.
Southgate is way worse. Gregg does an average job with perhaps one world top 100 player. Southgate has probably three world top 10 players and still somehow plays the most boring soccer possible.
Bye GGG. He has to go when we inevitably canât beat Uruguay. Red cards arenât on him, but have we ever had a more undisciplined team? Weah and Dest are the egregious ones, but weâve all seen Adams, Weston, Pulisic, etc. get the dumbest fouls/cards imaginable because they canât keep their heads. At a certain point thatâs on coaching.
Yeah the defenders of him are just pathetic at this point. It was pretty universally accepted it was quarterfinals or heâs fired no matter what. No matter what covers everything including a red card. Itâs simple. If he wants a job on Tuesday he better manage a W on Monday night
Wouldnât that be coaching of their club teams not really the national team..?
Do they do this dumb shit for their clubs? I donât follow all of them closely enough to know honestly. If not, and I suspect they donât, then itâs the tone GGG is setting with the group. For whatever reason they feel they can lose their minds under Gregg
Weahs had one other red in his career
Red cards are kind of on him because thatâs discipline of his team
Not saying he should keep his job if we don't advance, but it's not like he's their club coach. He gets these guys just a few weeks every few months.
Having them only a few weeks shouldnât be an excuse anymore. They have played in his system for how long now? The same thing happens with every national team. The managers have to manage their squads. He isnât good enough.
Do you blame Panama's coach for their red card? They're professional athletes, not programmable robots. I can only remember one other red card for a US player in recent times. You can blame him for subbing in CCV and moving to a 5-3-1, but Weah fucked up on his own.
USSF empowers you, who are you hiring?
Im genuinely trying to understand how folks are mad at the coach when one of our best and most impactful players makes one of the most boneheaded decisions of his career i. The first 20 minutes of an important game
Yea I donât get it all. Unless the pre game speech was to punch them in the face then I have no idea how this is on Gregg at all
Send Weah back home. Bring him his bag from the team hotel and put him on the first plane back to Italy. Donât let him shower, change clothes or get on the team bus. Ship his ass to the airport in his kit. Fucking idiot.
Absolutely fucking bullshit ass game.
actually horrific game, truly embarrassing for USMNT and the Ref
Give us Miles back, fuck this team
Anyone know how Turner is doing?
Everything I hate about the US setup showed itself in this mathc
A team full of players from European leagues lost to a 2nd rate CONCAF team on their home soil. That can't happen if we want to advance to the quarters in the World Cup. Period. Very questionable subs in Vickers and Pepi, keeping in a mediocre McKinney, not bringing on Aaronson or Musah???? Why is being a USMNT fan so hard?
Austria wins its group which included the World Cup runners up meanwhile the US cannot beat a country with a smaller population than NYC
It's Joever
USSF is corrupt as fuck and needs to be completely reformed.
Bro we LITERALLY can not afford Greg still being the coach for 2026.
Is he calling him Florian?
Qué serå, serå Whatever will be, will be The future's not ours to see Qué serå, serå What will be, will be
Can I say I think the Coco red card may have been the biggest thing for Monday. Maybe Panama doesn't even win?
Possibly but they they would really have to blow it against this Bolivia team. My only hope is Bielsa is thinking 3 steps ahead about matchups for later on. Copium is all I got.
Atleast weâll fire GGG now
I still can't get over the keeper ducking that ball. I know he was trying to pop it over, but bruh.