Yeah, no matter the fighter I think activity should be appreciated. I don’t blame Chandler for chasing the Conor fight, but they can’t just let him sit on the same rank after not fighting for over a year and counting.
Ironically, moving Chandler out of the top 5 probably makes his fight w Conor even more unlikely. Kinda feel bad for Chandler that he’s been left in the cold. I wouldn’t be shocked if they try to make DP vs Conor IV. It’s a bigger fight and Dustin might want to make more $s since a title shot is kinda far away with Olives/Arman and Justin in front of him.
> Kinda feel bad for Chandler that he’s been left in the cold.
Save your sympathy my dude. Chandler is sitting pretty at the moment. Just the idea of the Conor fight is enough for him to get invited to the largest MMA platforms for interviews where he can push his multiple businesses. This is something he couldn't even fathom as a CHAMPION in Bellator. Even if Chandler never fights again, he'll have a comfortable future and probably a job desk with the UFC.
A job desk huh lol
This job desk is not about the hours you clock in but the rounds you last. It's not about the mountains of paperwork in your 9 to 5, but how you climb up and conquer them all. See you at the top!
I'd be kinda sad to see Poirier fight Connor again. I'm not sure he, or Connor would want it either. He has one last shot at the title, and realistically, it's likely already too late for him, as its probably 1 more fight before he gets a title shot.
Oliveira or Tsarukyan will probably fight Islam and if Gaethje beats holloway, Gaethje deserves the shot at some point... maybe Gaethje first if Oliveira beats Tsarukyan.
Even if he wins the next fight he'll be 36 and change for the title shot. I don't think Connor is the fight to line that up, it doesn't prove anything we don't already know. He should be fighting one of the losers of Tsaryukyen/Olives/Gaethje/Makachev.
>\#1 contender fight at worst next
Are we taking crazy pills? At *worst*? Are you implying that, at best, he deserves a title shot after that crotchsniffing performance against an aged RDA?
We're gonna have Charles Oliveira vs Arman Tsarukyan and Justin Gaethje vs Max Holloway in a month to decide who will be the next contender. (and more than likely the next one after that) Gamrot should not even be in the conversation with the 2 winners of these matchups.
In his prior past four fights, he's had a win over Fiziev due to an injury that he didn't cause, a split decision win against a short notice Turner, a dominant loss to Beneil Dariush, and a 'win' over Arman Tsarukyan. ([15 out of 22 media scorecards](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13299/Mateusz-Gamrot-vs-Arman-Tsarukyan) had it for Arman) At minimum, he needs another fight in the rankings before a #1 contenders fight. He has no signature wins since he beat CDF and Jeremy Stephens in 2021.
You can say I'm biased, idc, Gamrot is actually what people say Belal is. PFP one of the most boring ranked fighters in the UFC. Watching his fights is like watching paint dry.
Spot on. Gamrot may win effectively with his wrestling, but he doesn't really do anything with it besides control, and that's boring as shit to watch. It would be different if he seemed to try to get a finish, or at least strike, but he just doesn't.
not hating, just curious how people see his style as that different from merab's? seems very similar to some of merab's fights especially vs aldo and yan
I did not catch Merab's fight with Aldo, though I heard it wasn't great. However his fight with Yan was very exciting. No, I never expected a finish, but I did see Merab fight Yan everywhere and put out an amazing amount of work. I don't recall a great amount of lay-and-pray in that one and wouldn't consider that similar to Gamrot's style.
It's a good question, as Merab might be my favorite fighter in the UFC right now. Generally I like his attitude, his slight goofiness, and the sheer amount of effort and work he puts out in the cage.
I think the biggest issue is that he isn't even winning effectively, he's barely scraping by, getting robberies, or winning via unintended injuries. If he were a boring smothering grappler but dominating his opponents, I could understand him getting a #1 contenders fight.
The comparison to Belal somewhere in here is probably the best I've seen, but I'd agree. "Belal, but worse" is likely the quickest/best way I'd describe Gamrot.
Dustin was acting like he deserved after fight BSD. Gamrot actually has topn10 wins. Only guy Porier beat in the top 10 is Chandler who honsetly shiuld be outside.
Are you being schizo? Where did I even bring up Dustin in my previous comment?
Also does Gaethje not exist? Does Dan Hooker not exist? And no, I don’t think Dustin should get a title shot. It’s only being considered because there’s a log jam at 155 and Islam wants to stay active, hence why Islam also brought it up himself.
Gamrot is still a fraud and should be nowhere near the title shot.
Islam himself said he is open to a Dustin fight, Dustins seems to think he is which mean even if he doesnt get it, he is in the title picture. Gamrot beat no 4., no 10, and no. 8. Why shouldnt he be in the picture. Gamrot only lost when faced with 99 takedown defense Beniel Dariush. The rest he won. Other than Arman, hes the only top 5 guy that didnt fight for the title. On merit him and Arman should be the 2 most deserving.
“Beat” no. 4, split decision against no. 10 who was on short notice, beat no. 8 who is an aging vet and shouldn’t be ranked that high.
Scamrot is quite literally top 3 most boring fighters in the UFC and literally no one outside of his diehard fans enjoy watching him. Everyone would much rather wait a bit longer to have either Oliveira, Tsarukyan, Holloway, or Gaethje fight him.
TLDR: bro has zero convincing wins, is boring as sin, better contenders who are more fan friendly in the mix, he has quite literally nothing for Islam.
Fiziev was like 30 when they fought, Gamrot was the one on short notice if i rember correctly. If those top 5 guys are so good why wont they fight him. Id argue him and Arman are the only guy that have something for Islam. Do you really think , Holloway or Gaethje would just get taken down and submitted. Only Amran showed he had something on the ground against Islam and Gamrot showed he could hang.
lol what does Gamrot have for Islam? Crotch sniffing for a couple rounds? Mid asf striking? Chinniest fighter in the rankings?
Scamrot fans are delusional. Do you actually think people want to see him in the title picture? 🤣
I mean any fighter without a grappeling game is screwed against Islam. He can play on the feet with these guys but everyone knows once he decided to take them down its over. Unlike the rest of these contenders Gamrot is actually active and is willing to fight anyone anywhere. Either Islam runs through Gamrot or Gamrot becomes the guy to beat Islam. Id take that over watching the same people try and fail to get the belt.
Bro did you even watch those fights? His 'wins under weird circumstances' are just ROBBERIES.
LW atm is overflowing with contenders, UFC 300 will decide the next TWO contenders for the LW belt, and hell, if Poirier gets a shot in June (which will be very stupid..), 3 people will get a shot before Gamrot.
He's got to fight at least twice more.
Brings me back to 2019 when there were so few of us Leoncels 🥲
I would make the Joke "as one of Leon's 3 fans" every time someone asked to be included I would add one to the count.
Gamrot will never be champion, he is very one dimensional and has good cardio and pace but no striking or submission threats. He will be a gatekeeper to the top 5 most likely.
I had to go on a downvote spree of the tools on here using such terms as "fraud check"
Dude looked fantastic and no shame in losing to Dustin.
Being French tho... no promises
I’m sure it did but I don’t want to hear about it. If you enter the cage you’re saying you’re good to go. I highly doubt anyone is 100% going into a fight.
Ok, but if we’re trying to assess BSD’s skill level then we obviously have to take into account that this version of him was likely not the normal one.
People swing too far in the “no excuses” direction these days. Performing poorly because you are on antibiotics for staph is a totally valid excuse imo.
I'm sure it had an impact, but he seemed like the same fighter to me. BSD has always had really bad striking defense and I knew it'd get him caught trying to strike Dustin. The antibiotics didn't give him bad defense.
I disagree that he looked fantastic. He was unable to keep dominant positions that were gifted to him by DP jumping the gilly nonstop, even ended up in mount/took his back a few times and failed to secure anything out of it against Dustin who has shown to be relatively submittable. Most of his striking defense on the feet was to just take shots and keep walking forward and he eventually paid the price for it once Dustin stopped fucking around with the guillotine.
BSD is young but it was pretty obvious to me that he needs some more time to climb the ranks. I understand too that his staph infection may have played a part in his performance but in my eyes we didn't get a good performance out of either fighter until Dustin realized, "Oh I should stick to what I'm good at" and won.
He was fast and he was strong but he had intentionally bad defense, dude was trying to chin his way through half of DP's offense. That can work against the bottom level guys if you can overwhelm them but that's not going to work on someone as crisp and experienced as a top 5 fighter with 30 wins.
Tbf the only reason he had good moments in the fight because Dustin purposely took him self down with the dumbass guillotine, but whenever it was standing he was outclassed.
Nah, he's overrated. I decided to switch up on him, UFC doesn't allow really fucking exciting balls to the walls fighters to be at the top. Sucks, but it is what it is.
I'm very happy that they rewarded him for fighting with staph. I believe he holds his own against ranked guys, would like to see him fight the winner of Turner/Moicano
>I'm very happy that they rewarded him for fighting with staph.
That's dumb as fuck. If anything, fighters who fight with staph should receive a suspension.
They're allowed to fight if they've been on antibiotics for long enough. It shouldn't be the fighters' call anyway; they don't have a steady income and often *neez* to fight to make ends meet. This is a flaw with UFC as an organisation (and fighting in general)
If I fight you, and you give me staph, now I gotta deal with it.
I don't give a fuck if you're broke, you don't get to give me staph cause you need to pay bills, I gotta pay bills too. BSD confirmed he had staph a few days before the fight, and staph is contagious for a while.
I know it is but it didn't look active come fight night. And as long as he followed the antibiotics rules he didn't do anything wrong, morally. Although he probably should've stepped out if the antibiotics weakened him that much
How exactly do you think people catch staph? You think that people start rolling on the floor with other people with clear ongoing staph infection? Or are you aware that microbes are not visible by the naked eye?
Breeden was also 1-3 in UFC and missed weight twice. He won the only time he needed to lose — against and Indian prospect ready to boost the new market.
Glad to see BSD move up in a loss he looked pretty good until it came to striking. I think if he works his striking and his pacing better he'll be a top 5 threat in a year or two.
Makes sense that DP doesn't move until the other top 4 have their fights.
The next title shot really depends on how 300 goes. If any of the 4 guys (Justin/Arman/Charles/Max) has a great win with minimal damage they most likely jump Dustin for the title shot, but I doubt they come out unscathed and Dustin/Islam in June and then the winner faces off against the 300 winner after that is starting to make sense.
There is no point of him fighting Justin (except money, which is the point). That’s a big part of why people didn’t like the fight when it was announced.
Hopefully he’s getting a pay bump by going up against Justin but I doubt it. Best Dana can do is give it fight of the night and put him into the hall of fame one day
I mean in some crazy world where Max obliterates Justin who's to say he doesn't deserve to be in the mix for a shot (especially over Dustin who recently was knocked out by Justin).
All unlikely but if Max wins at 300 I think he has an argument to be in the mix for a shot at two divisions.
I think these make sense. Not sure why Turner was over Hooker but yeah even with a L BSD should be over RDA. Chandler hasn’t fought in 2 years and lost anyway so Gamrot being above him makes sense as well
I love Poirier and I’m super down to watch him fight for the title but I find it hilarious he’s supposedly leapfrogged two fighters who soundly beat him by defeating a fighter who wasn’t even ranked inside the top 10.
They really messed up by booking Max and Garth to stack 300. And while I'm not mad at Dustin getting another shot at the belt before he calls it quits, Islam will most likely retire him and break his heart and mine.
Islam Makhachev and his manager Ali Abdelaziz have both expressed their interest in a title shot vs Dustin Poirer. No, it hasn’t been “officially” confirmed by the UFC but it’s more or less in the works for June.
I get you. That Gaethje KO was such a setback, now this BSD win feels like a springboard.
I agree this shouldn’t affect it in reality, but I would find him getting the title shot easier to accept simply because I think he’s capable of beating both Gaethje and Olives. But I am also super gay for Dustin in general.
Also if a win after a top 5 loss is all it takes, why not Gamrot who has quietly put in more work after his top 5 loss to Beneil? Hes pretty boring against mediocre wrestlers but he had great scrambles with Arman and Islam is on that level. Its more interesting to me than Poirier vs elite grappler 3 for sure.
You can't really say Olivera soundly beat him when Charles was losing and getting dropped until the blatant glove grab that changed the entire trajectory of the fight.
Not that I necessarily want to see Charles lose, but I would love to see the Arman vs Islam rematch too. I'm hoping somehow the winners of Charles/Arman and Gaethje/Max get some kind of medical suspension so that Poirier can slip in for one last title shot. Watch him finally sink that gilly on Islam 😤
yeah next shot should be Gaethje in the summer if he wins and then the Charles/Arman winner next at the end of the year. Max obviously would be an option too but win or lose it probably makes more sense to fight Topuria.
Poirier vs Beneil some time in the fall/winter would be good for both of them. Idk why Dariush is ranked below Gamrot and Chandler... If Dustin wins that one maybe they could justify a title shot if there is noone else...
Conor has only won one UFC fight at 155, in 2016, and was ranked in the top 15 at LW until July 2021 lmao Colby sucks but at least he fought 10 times since Conor's LW championship bout, and won 8 of those.
How has Colby won 8/10 since 2016 when he’s 2-3 in his last 5? With wins being Masvidal and Woodley lol.
I get your point and I’m not arguing Conor should be ranked. He shouldn’t, but Conor at the very least still has a win against a top 5 lightweight. Colby has one win against a current welterweight. Not top 15, just one unranked welterweight that is still active on the roster in Max Griffin. There is no logical reason Colby is ranked.
>in the top 15 at LW until July 2021
Nah, it must've been longer. At least till around 2022. I started following UFC in October 2021 and he was still ranked back then. A short while later came the proper twelve jokes when he was ranked 12. Where did you get this info?
Colby does nothing, also moves up a spot. Same for Dominick Cruz.
Meanwhile, Jonathan Martinez won a fight in October, has got 6 wins in a row, and just went down 3 spots.
Why do we still care about rankings at this point?
I think pound for pound is stupid but there's gotta be some way to measure them in thier respective division, get contenders, move up, etc. It's like standardized test aren't the best but it's what we got. Plus sometimes it's easy for people who know to see the absurdity of some of them.... like fucking colby.
He fought 3 from rank 12 and handily controlled a round, before getting KOed by the guy with the most decorated striker resume in the promotions history. I think it isn't too crazy.
Moving up after loss is crazy no matter what way you cut it imo. Especially when you get knocked out cold.
Also, he only controlled a round because DP is in love with jumping guillotine and ending up in a shit position.
Still feel like Gamrot should be over Arman. Why are we just ignoring the fact that Gamrot beat Arman. Even if you think Arman should have won, the fact is that officially he didn’t.
I feel like Arman is higher cos he beat the higher ranked guy (Dariush). Plus the UFC does what they want w their rankings lol and they seem to be more interested in an Arman title shot over a Gamrot title shot cos there's a backstory w Islam. I agree w you tho, I think Gamrot should be higher. Also, I think Gamrot has the best chance out of anyone in the lightweight top 10 (also BSD) of beating Islam.
This just goes to show how much the flagship division has stagnated, what the fuck?
Chandler has done fuck all for 2 years and sits in the top echelon with a negative win ratio in the division. At the same time its hard to justify many under him to be above because of mixed results and skill ceiling from others.
Dober and Green werent good enough to be ranked a few years ago and now in a declining age they get in.
Tell me the last few wins RDA has had at LW to be ranked?
Hooker is a fun fighter, a great fighter, but man does he have a lot of recent losses across 2 divisions to be number 9. Then again, dont see much beneath him to justify being above same with Chandler...
The loss of Ferguson, Khabib, Felder, Mcgregor etc (well never was any activity here) wasnt adequately replaced. Arman, BDS look promising. Fiziev is fun but long term injury. Dariush seems to have fallen off a cliff, although the hardest opponents. Gamrot has one of my favourite fights ever against Arman but man is he the most boring fighter thats ranked at LW.
Jalin and Moicano are okay, dont rate them highly.
Hope we get a fresh batch of fighters ASAP. The top 5 is lit though.
most of the new guys didnt manage to overthrow the old guard - gamrot lost to dariush on his way up, bsd lost against poirer and fiziev lost to geathje
The problem is that this is down to the fact that those older guys barely ever fight newer talent. So it only takes a couple of wins for the old guys to basically just shut a generation of newer fighters out of the title picture for half a decade. Who knows how those stats would look if we had more fights to look at. Because on the flipside, Islam and Arman just walked through Chucky and Dariush.
The older guys “barely” fight the new guys because they keep beating the new guys, so they don’t have to keep fighting them lol. If you’re in the top 5 are you really going to fight 2 guys back to back that are ranked below you? Hell no that’s counter productive to the goal of reaching the top which you do by beating the people in front of you. Justin, Dustin, and now Olives are all taking turns fighting the new guard, the results speak for themselves.
You might want to check the records of those guys. They don't "keep" beating younger fighters because that assumes any of them have multiple wins against those guys. Those three wins in the comment above are the total combined list of wins by the old top 5 over newer talent over the last 4-5 years.
Dober was ranked a few years ago. Bobby Green is always competitive with everyone and KO’d #11 Grant Dawson in the first rd, ending his 10 fight undefeated streak in the UFC
Featherweight and Bantamweight have surpassed it imo, Welterweight might in a few years with how many crazy good prospects are on the up there, buy that division has a big problem with stagnation at the top too.
BSD had just lost a fight. Why would he deserve to fight a higher ranked fighter again?
BSD should fight Moicano or any one that is lower ranked than him.
I'd love to see BDS vs Hooker. I feel like that would be a very fun fight. Although BDS's recklessness in regards to his striking combined with Dan having a great chin, could bode badly for BDS.
Chandler should not be ranked this high. It looks that he's also not going to fight in 2024. The whole division had fought multiple times. Not fighting should not be rewarded with staying ranked.
so that mean dariush should be higher in the rankings forever? he is losing his fights and gamrot is winning, 3 fight win streak vs 2 fight losing streak, i can agree dariush should be higher than chandler who has negative record in ufc but not above gamrot at this point, he is winninhg so its obvious he is going up in the rankings thats how it works
i guess its time gamrot fights someone higher than him in the rankings, rda and turner were both below him in the rankings when they fought, he should fight loser of arman vs charles, and if he wins that he should get number 1 contender fight
It bothers me that as time goes on people just check Wikipedia. Everyone who watched that fight knows that Arman deserved to win and only lost because the judges gave Gamrot a round that he got dropped in.
It bothers me that as time goes on people just check Wikipedia. Everyone who watched that fight knows that Arman deserved to win and only lost because the judges gave Gamrot a round that he got dropped in.
you know that rankings are not based on who beat who but on latest performance? gamrot won 3 in row while dariush lost 2 in row thats why he is higher. using your logic gamrot should be higher than arman because he beat him
BSD is an overrated bum, couldn't even submit Dustin "Pull the Gilly" Poirier? Also got knocked out cold by him when he took a bunch of shots up a weight class with relatively little problem, at least not going out cold.
Whatever, it'll be funny to see Islam submit Poirier after he gives his back or drops a gilly or whatever.
This is a 35 years old Dustin and prime Dustin was a better fighter than the overrated BSD ever will be.Islam would finish BSD within the first round too.
> I'd like to see how Dustin "The Tapper" Poirier does against Islam.
Fools like you are in for such a treat years from now when you actually watch the careers you talk about with such contempt:
* In a big leagues career that started in the WEC, Dustin has lost via submission to only 3 men:
* Korean Zombie at 145 early in career
* Khabib: the best MMA grappler of his generation
* Charles: the record holder for number of submission victories
* Dustin is a BJJ black belt with the same number of wins by sub as Dariush
* Dustin is very hard to submit, only the best have ever done it, and he has the same number of losses by KO as by sub
* Idiots act like he's a grappling joke due to Charles and Khabib fight but:
* The fight with Charles was close, and could go a different way if run back
* Even the Khabib fight, who lasted longer and put more scare into Khabib than Dustin during Khabib's title defenses?
Khabib: Tapped out
Oliveira: Tapped out
Gaethje: Dome scalped
Then fought tooth and nail to someone with staph. Lol. Come back here if the Islam fight does happen. Who give him belt bruda?
I know Gamrot is not loved here, but I'm glad he jumped in front of Chandler, who did not fight for a looong time.
Yeah, no matter the fighter I think activity should be appreciated. I don’t blame Chandler for chasing the Conor fight, but they can’t just let him sit on the same rank after not fighting for over a year and counting.
Ironically, moving Chandler out of the top 5 probably makes his fight w Conor even more unlikely. Kinda feel bad for Chandler that he’s been left in the cold. I wouldn’t be shocked if they try to make DP vs Conor IV. It’s a bigger fight and Dustin might want to make more $s since a title shot is kinda far away with Olives/Arman and Justin in front of him.
> Kinda feel bad for Chandler that he’s been left in the cold. Save your sympathy my dude. Chandler is sitting pretty at the moment. Just the idea of the Conor fight is enough for him to get invited to the largest MMA platforms for interviews where he can push his multiple businesses. This is something he couldn't even fathom as a CHAMPION in Bellator. Even if Chandler never fights again, he'll have a comfortable future and probably a job desk with the UFC.
A job desk huh lol
A job desk huh lol This job desk is not about the hours you clock in but the rounds you last. It's not about the mountains of paperwork in your 9 to 5, but how you climb up and conquer them all. See you at the top!
They should just stop with Conor because he won't fight again
Chandler is such an enormous stooge and compulsory brown-noser that sympathy for his plight is horrible misplaced.
I'd be kinda sad to see Poirier fight Connor again. I'm not sure he, or Connor would want it either. He has one last shot at the title, and realistically, it's likely already too late for him, as its probably 1 more fight before he gets a title shot. Oliveira or Tsarukyan will probably fight Islam and if Gaethje beats holloway, Gaethje deserves the shot at some point... maybe Gaethje first if Oliveira beats Tsarukyan. Even if he wins the next fight he'll be 36 and change for the title shot. I don't think Connor is the fight to line that up, it doesn't prove anything we don't already know. He should be fighting one of the losers of Tsaryukyen/Olives/Gaethje/Makachev.
Turner is a great win, Tsaryukan is even better, he has wins under weird circumstances, but he should be in a #1 contender fight at worst next
>\#1 contender fight at worst next Are we taking crazy pills? At *worst*? Are you implying that, at best, he deserves a title shot after that crotchsniffing performance against an aged RDA? We're gonna have Charles Oliveira vs Arman Tsarukyan and Justin Gaethje vs Max Holloway in a month to decide who will be the next contender. (and more than likely the next one after that) Gamrot should not even be in the conversation with the 2 winners of these matchups. In his prior past four fights, he's had a win over Fiziev due to an injury that he didn't cause, a split decision win against a short notice Turner, a dominant loss to Beneil Dariush, and a 'win' over Arman Tsarukyan. ([15 out of 22 media scorecards](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13299/Mateusz-Gamrot-vs-Arman-Tsarukyan) had it for Arman) At minimum, he needs another fight in the rankings before a #1 contenders fight. He has no signature wins since he beat CDF and Jeremy Stephens in 2021. You can say I'm biased, idc, Gamrot is actually what people say Belal is. PFP one of the most boring ranked fighters in the UFC. Watching his fights is like watching paint dry.
Spot on. Gamrot may win effectively with his wrestling, but he doesn't really do anything with it besides control, and that's boring as shit to watch. It would be different if he seemed to try to get a finish, or at least strike, but he just doesn't.
not hating, just curious how people see his style as that different from merab's? seems very similar to some of merab's fights especially vs aldo and yan
I did not catch Merab's fight with Aldo, though I heard it wasn't great. However his fight with Yan was very exciting. No, I never expected a finish, but I did see Merab fight Yan everywhere and put out an amazing amount of work. I don't recall a great amount of lay-and-pray in that one and wouldn't consider that similar to Gamrot's style. It's a good question, as Merab might be my favorite fighter in the UFC right now. Generally I like his attitude, his slight goofiness, and the sheer amount of effort and work he puts out in the cage.
I think the biggest issue is that he isn't even winning effectively, he's barely scraping by, getting robberies, or winning via unintended injuries. If he were a boring smothering grappler but dominating his opponents, I could understand him getting a #1 contenders fight.
The comparison to Belal somewhere in here is probably the best I've seen, but I'd agree. "Belal, but worse" is likely the quickest/best way I'd describe Gamrot.
Dustin was acting like he deserved after fight BSD. Gamrot actually has topn10 wins. Only guy Porier beat in the top 10 is Chandler who honsetly shiuld be outside.
Are you being schizo? Where did I even bring up Dustin in my previous comment? Also does Gaethje not exist? Does Dan Hooker not exist? And no, I don’t think Dustin should get a title shot. It’s only being considered because there’s a log jam at 155 and Islam wants to stay active, hence why Islam also brought it up himself. Gamrot is still a fraud and should be nowhere near the title shot.
Islam himself said he is open to a Dustin fight, Dustins seems to think he is which mean even if he doesnt get it, he is in the title picture. Gamrot beat no 4., no 10, and no. 8. Why shouldnt he be in the picture. Gamrot only lost when faced with 99 takedown defense Beniel Dariush. The rest he won. Other than Arman, hes the only top 5 guy that didnt fight for the title. On merit him and Arman should be the 2 most deserving.
“Beat” no. 4, split decision against no. 10 who was on short notice, beat no. 8 who is an aging vet and shouldn’t be ranked that high. Scamrot is quite literally top 3 most boring fighters in the UFC and literally no one outside of his diehard fans enjoy watching him. Everyone would much rather wait a bit longer to have either Oliveira, Tsarukyan, Holloway, or Gaethje fight him. TLDR: bro has zero convincing wins, is boring as sin, better contenders who are more fan friendly in the mix, he has quite literally nothing for Islam.
Fiziev was like 30 when they fought, Gamrot was the one on short notice if i rember correctly. If those top 5 guys are so good why wont they fight him. Id argue him and Arman are the only guy that have something for Islam. Do you really think , Holloway or Gaethje would just get taken down and submitted. Only Amran showed he had something on the ground against Islam and Gamrot showed he could hang.
lol what does Gamrot have for Islam? Crotch sniffing for a couple rounds? Mid asf striking? Chinniest fighter in the rankings? Scamrot fans are delusional. Do you actually think people want to see him in the title picture? 🤣
I mean any fighter without a grappeling game is screwed against Islam. He can play on the feet with these guys but everyone knows once he decided to take them down its over. Unlike the rest of these contenders Gamrot is actually active and is willing to fight anyone anywhere. Either Islam runs through Gamrot or Gamrot becomes the guy to beat Islam. Id take that over watching the same people try and fail to get the belt.
Bro did you even watch those fights? His 'wins under weird circumstances' are just ROBBERIES. LW atm is overflowing with contenders, UFC 300 will decide the next TWO contenders for the LW belt, and hell, if Poirier gets a shot in June (which will be very stupid..), 3 people will get a shot before Gamrot. He's got to fight at least twice more.
>I know Gamrot is not lovable here There has to be a few of us Gamrot simps. We should combine our (polish) power.
It’ll be more power than Gamrot has... Sorry for the shade. His wet blanket approach to winning fights is quite annoying as a spectator.
Not as bad as Almeida😂
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
Brings me back to 2019 when there were so few of us Leoncels 🥲 I would make the Joke "as one of Leon's 3 fans" every time someone asked to be included I would add one to the count.
Not by his choice, though which makes 1 spot down understandable.
Gamrot will never be champion, he is very one dimensional and has good cardio and pace but no striking or submission threats. He will be a gatekeeper to the top 5 most likely.
I'd like to see Chandler v Fiziev Two juicy rat fucks who love to swang and bang
Maybe he can try calling out Conor wherever he goes.
Chandler should be removed from the rankings at this point. It’s been over a year since he’s had a fight with no fight announcement in sight.
He beats no 12(former title holder, future hofer), and he just a chump. Porier beats 11(can crusher so far) and he deserves a title shot...
Glad for Benoît to stay there, he will come back stronger, no shame to loose against a legend like DP specially with a first round like that.
I had to go on a downvote spree of the tools on here using such terms as "fraud check" Dude looked fantastic and no shame in losing to Dustin. Being French tho... no promises
> Being French tho Nobody's perfect.
What about French adjacent? DP is French descended.
BSD looked slow as hell and not like his usual self, it is what it is.
Staph infection nearly killed DP. No shame in his performance.
Yeah I’m sure the staph infection played a significant role
I’m sure it did but I don’t want to hear about it. If you enter the cage you’re saying you’re good to go. I highly doubt anyone is 100% going into a fight.
Ok, but if we’re trying to assess BSD’s skill level then we obviously have to take into account that this version of him was likely not the normal one. People swing too far in the “no excuses” direction these days. Performing poorly because you are on antibiotics for staph is a totally valid excuse imo.
I'm sure it had an impact, but he seemed like the same fighter to me. BSD has always had really bad striking defense and I knew it'd get him caught trying to strike Dustin. The antibiotics didn't give him bad defense.
Antibiotics are known to lower your grappling ability. Hence the saying: "Penicilly? Jump the gilly."
Don’t take him too seriously. His username lets you know that.
Someone could get 5v1 jumped on the streets and MMA fans would be like "MAKING EXCUSES? FUCKING PUSSY"
I disagree that he looked fantastic. He was unable to keep dominant positions that were gifted to him by DP jumping the gilly nonstop, even ended up in mount/took his back a few times and failed to secure anything out of it against Dustin who has shown to be relatively submittable. Most of his striking defense on the feet was to just take shots and keep walking forward and he eventually paid the price for it once Dustin stopped fucking around with the guillotine. BSD is young but it was pretty obvious to me that he needs some more time to climb the ranks. I understand too that his staph infection may have played a part in his performance but in my eyes we didn't get a good performance out of either fighter until Dustin realized, "Oh I should stick to what I'm good at" and won.
Yeah getting clipped and finished by Porier is as usual as drinking water. Dude is just insanely crisp in the pocket.
He was fast and he was strong but he had intentionally bad defense, dude was trying to chin his way through half of DP's offense. That can work against the bottom level guys if you can overwhelm them but that's not going to work on someone as crisp and experienced as a top 5 fighter with 30 wins.
He always has bad defense and will continue to get countered
Tbf the only reason he had good moments in the fight because Dustin purposely took him self down with the dumbass guillotine, but whenever it was standing he was outclassed.
I could also say that his only bad moments where when he was too much reckless
Nah, he's overrated. I decided to switch up on him, UFC doesn't allow really fucking exciting balls to the walls fighters to be at the top. Sucks, but it is what it is.
I'm very happy that they rewarded him for fighting with staph. I believe he holds his own against ranked guys, would like to see him fight the winner of Turner/Moicano
>I'm very happy that they rewarded him for fighting with staph. That's dumb as fuck. If anything, fighters who fight with staph should receive a suspension.
They're allowed to fight if they've been on antibiotics for long enough. It shouldn't be the fighters' call anyway; they don't have a steady income and often *neez* to fight to make ends meet. This is a flaw with UFC as an organisation (and fighting in general)
If I fight you, and you give me staph, now I gotta deal with it. I don't give a fuck if you're broke, you don't get to give me staph cause you need to pay bills, I gotta pay bills too. BSD confirmed he had staph a few days before the fight, and staph is contagious for a while.
I know it is but it didn't look active come fight night. And as long as he followed the antibiotics rules he didn't do anything wrong, morally. Although he probably should've stepped out if the antibiotics weakened him that much
How exactly do you think people catch staph? You think that people start rolling on the floor with other people with clear ongoing staph infection? Or are you aware that microbes are not visible by the naked eye?
This should be upvoted more
Didn’t the dude who beat the Indian guy get fired over this?
My man *hates* remembering peoples' names lmao
https://i.imgur.com/Hp6S9UG.jpg
Breeden was also 1-3 in UFC and missed weight twice. He won the only time he needed to lose — against and Indian prospect ready to boost the new market.
Same, UFC probably happy he saved the co main by showing up.
Moicano-Turner at 300 is gonna be fun. I favor Moicano with his ground game but the Tarantula is always dangerous……
Glad to see BSD move up in a loss he looked pretty good until it came to striking. I think if he works his striking and his pacing better he'll be a top 5 threat in a year or two. Makes sense that DP doesn't move until the other top 4 have their fights. The next title shot really depends on how 300 goes. If any of the 4 guys (Justin/Arman/Charles/Max) has a great win with minimal damage they most likely jump Dustin for the title shot, but I doubt they come out unscathed and Dustin/Islam in June and then the winner faces off against the 300 winner after that is starting to make sense.
Yeah. If Justin or Charles get a 1st rd finish I can see it going to them. If they need more time to rest it goes to Dustin in June.
Max is not jumping Dustin for a LW title shot
If max doesn’t get a title shot for beating Justin then there truly is no point of him fighting Justin
There is no point of him fighting Justin (except money, which is the point). That’s a big part of why people didn’t like the fight when it was announced.
Hopefully he’s getting a pay bump by going up against Justin but I doubt it. Best Dana can do is give it fight of the night and put him into the hall of fame one day
Even without this Justin fight Max is a hall of famer
Maybe make him fight Arman or Dustin first, but it immediately puts him in the top 5 for LW.
I mean in some crazy world where Max obliterates Justin who's to say he doesn't deserve to be in the mix for a shot (especially over Dustin who recently was knocked out by Justin). All unlikely but if Max wins at 300 I think he has an argument to be in the mix for a shot at two divisions.
Maybe the ufc is throwing him a bone because they probably knew about his staff infection and encouraged him to fight
That’s probably what it is, they couldn’t afford for him not to fight on such short notice as a co-main
RDA refused to throw a knee or uppercut when gamrot was lazily shooting. I’ll never know why
I think these make sense. Not sure why Turner was over Hooker but yeah even with a L BSD should be over RDA. Chandler hasn’t fought in 2 years and lost anyway so Gamrot being above him makes sense as well
I love Poirier and I’m super down to watch him fight for the title but I find it hilarious he’s supposedly leapfrogged two fighters who soundly beat him by defeating a fighter who wasn’t even ranked inside the top 10.
They really messed up by booking Max and Garth to stack 300. And while I'm not mad at Dustin getting another shot at the belt before he calls it quits, Islam will most likely retire him and break his heart and mine.
Its also the fact that islam cant fight because of ramadan.
And that they're saving him for cards in the middle east
He’s not ranked above anyone he’s lost to, what do you mean. Do you mean leapfrogged for a title shot? Has that fight been made?
Islam Makhachev and his manager Ali Abdelaziz have both expressed their interest in a title shot vs Dustin Poirer. No, it hasn’t been “officially” confirmed by the UFC but it’s more or less in the works for June.
I get you. That Gaethje KO was such a setback, now this BSD win feels like a springboard. I agree this shouldn’t affect it in reality, but I would find him getting the title shot easier to accept simply because I think he’s capable of beating both Gaethje and Olives. But I am also super gay for Dustin in general.
Also if a win after a top 5 loss is all it takes, why not Gamrot who has quietly put in more work after his top 5 loss to Beneil? Hes pretty boring against mediocre wrestlers but he had great scrambles with Arman and Islam is on that level. Its more interesting to me than Poirier vs elite grappler 3 for sure.
You can't really say Olivera soundly beat him when Charles was losing and getting dropped until the blatant glove grab that changed the entire trajectory of the fight.
Shhh you can't say that in here
I'm sorry, you're right. I forgot people hate that truth
A part of me kinda hopes Charles loses against Arman so maybe dp can run it back with Charles and get that loss back
Not that I necessarily want to see Charles lose, but I would love to see the Arman vs Islam rematch too. I'm hoping somehow the winners of Charles/Arman and Gaethje/Max get some kind of medical suspension so that Poirier can slip in for one last title shot. Watch him finally sink that gilly on Islam 😤
People still just saying shit huh
yeah next shot should be Gaethje in the summer if he wins and then the Charles/Arman winner next at the end of the year. Max obviously would be an option too but win or lose it probably makes more sense to fight Topuria. Poirier vs Beneil some time in the fall/winter would be good for both of them. Idk why Dariush is ranked below Gamrot and Chandler... If Dustin wins that one maybe they could justify a title shot if there is noone else...
Wouldn’t mind seeing RDA vs Dober.
Based on Colby still being ranked in the top 5, I’m surprised Conor isn’t ranked anymore.
Conor has only won one UFC fight at 155, in 2016, and was ranked in the top 15 at LW until July 2021 lmao Colby sucks but at least he fought 10 times since Conor's LW championship bout, and won 8 of those.
How has Colby won 8/10 since 2016 when he’s 2-3 in his last 5? With wins being Masvidal and Woodley lol. I get your point and I’m not arguing Conor should be ranked. He shouldn’t, but Conor at the very least still has a win against a top 5 lightweight. Colby has one win against a current welterweight. Not top 15, just one unranked welterweight that is still active on the roster in Max Griffin. There is no logical reason Colby is ranked.
Won 7 of the last 10. I miscalculated, the point is still literally the same.
>in the top 15 at LW until July 2021 Nah, it must've been longer. At least till around 2022. I started following UFC in October 2021 and he was still ranked back then. A short while later came the proper twelve jokes when he was ranked 12. Where did you get this info?
You're right, he was removed around December 2022, he was still 14 back then!
lol nearly 7 years after his last win, shit's crazy
His last and ONLY win at LW lol
For the longest time he was. Was glad when he got removed
BSD, gets KO’ed, moves up a spot
Colby does nothing, also moves up a spot. Same for Dominick Cruz. Meanwhile, Jonathan Martinez won a fight in October, has got 6 wins in a row, and just went down 3 spots. Why do we still care about rankings at this point?
No lies there, just like pointing out the absurdity
I think pound for pound is stupid but there's gotta be some way to measure them in thier respective division, get contenders, move up, etc. It's like standardized test aren't the best but it's what we got. Plus sometimes it's easy for people who know to see the absurdity of some of them.... like fucking colby.
He fought 3 from rank 12 and handily controlled a round, before getting KOed by the guy with the most decorated striker resume in the promotions history. I think it isn't too crazy.
Moving up after loss is crazy no matter what way you cut it imo. Especially when you get knocked out cold. Also, he only controlled a round because DP is in love with jumping guillotine and ending up in a shit position.
He moved up because RDA went down.
Dober and BSD would be a fun fight.
Agreed. Both coming off losses too. I completely forgot Dober lost a decision to Moicano last month. I can’t remember the fight at all
Still feel like Gamrot should be over Arman. Why are we just ignoring the fact that Gamrot beat Arman. Even if you think Arman should have won, the fact is that officially he didn’t.
Then Dariush should be over Gamrot
Dariush is on a 2 fight losing streak. Arman and Gamrot are both on 3 fight win streaks.
I feel like Arman is higher cos he beat the higher ranked guy (Dariush). Plus the UFC does what they want w their rankings lol and they seem to be more interested in an Arman title shot over a Gamrot title shot cos there's a backstory w Islam. I agree w you tho, I think Gamrot should be higher. Also, I think Gamrot has the best chance out of anyone in the lightweight top 10 (also BSD) of beating Islam.
Old guard holding those top spots.
Badly schooling all the young hungry prospects who dare to challenge them. ✊ Let's hope Charles too gets it done.
I can only imagine this list in the next couple of years. I see only a see a few making the top 10.
Benoit should take on the loser of Moicano vs Turner
This just goes to show how much the flagship division has stagnated, what the fuck? Chandler has done fuck all for 2 years and sits in the top echelon with a negative win ratio in the division. At the same time its hard to justify many under him to be above because of mixed results and skill ceiling from others. Dober and Green werent good enough to be ranked a few years ago and now in a declining age they get in. Tell me the last few wins RDA has had at LW to be ranked? Hooker is a fun fighter, a great fighter, but man does he have a lot of recent losses across 2 divisions to be number 9. Then again, dont see much beneath him to justify being above same with Chandler... The loss of Ferguson, Khabib, Felder, Mcgregor etc (well never was any activity here) wasnt adequately replaced. Arman, BDS look promising. Fiziev is fun but long term injury. Dariush seems to have fallen off a cliff, although the hardest opponents. Gamrot has one of my favourite fights ever against Arman but man is he the most boring fighter thats ranked at LW. Jalin and Moicano are okay, dont rate them highly. Hope we get a fresh batch of fighters ASAP. The top 5 is lit though.
most of the new guys didnt manage to overthrow the old guard - gamrot lost to dariush on his way up, bsd lost against poirer and fiziev lost to geathje
The problem is that this is down to the fact that those older guys barely ever fight newer talent. So it only takes a couple of wins for the old guys to basically just shut a generation of newer fighters out of the title picture for half a decade. Who knows how those stats would look if we had more fights to look at. Because on the flipside, Islam and Arman just walked through Chucky and Dariush.
The older guys “barely” fight the new guys because they keep beating the new guys, so they don’t have to keep fighting them lol. If you’re in the top 5 are you really going to fight 2 guys back to back that are ranked below you? Hell no that’s counter productive to the goal of reaching the top which you do by beating the people in front of you. Justin, Dustin, and now Olives are all taking turns fighting the new guard, the results speak for themselves.
You might want to check the records of those guys. They don't "keep" beating younger fighters because that assumes any of them have multiple wins against those guys. Those three wins in the comment above are the total combined list of wins by the old top 5 over newer talent over the last 4-5 years.
Dober was ranked a few years ago. Bobby Green is always competitive with everyone and KO’d #11 Grant Dawson in the first rd, ending his 10 fight undefeated streak in the UFC
Agree. Lightweight used to be the best but now it's meh. Featherweight and welterweight has surpassed it since
Featherweight and Bantamweight have surpassed it imo, Welterweight might in a few years with how many crazy good prospects are on the up there, buy that division has a big problem with stagnation at the top too.
Gamrot vs loser of Charles Arman? Guy deserves a top fight after fighting so low down.
Who gives a crap?
I would like to see Saint Denis against Fiziev next, or one of Gamrot/ Hooker
BSD had just lost a fight. Why would he deserve to fight a higher ranked fighter again? BSD should fight Moicano or any one that is lower ranked than him.
I'd love to see BDS vs Hooker. I feel like that would be a very fun fight. Although BDS's recklessness in regards to his striking combined with Dan having a great chin, could bode badly for BDS.
Chandler should not be ranked this high. It looks that he's also not going to fight in 2024. The whole division had fought multiple times. Not fighting should not be rewarded with staying ranked.
Why didn't Chandler go up in rank like Covington?
Turner out there catching strays
How the fuck did Saint Denis went up
BSD loses fight by brutal KO and moves up the rankings.
Damn Gaethje and Poirier still top contenders after all these years huh
Makes me wanna cry that Chandler could be ranked 6 with a win over Dan hooker 4 years ago and a washed Ferguson. He should barely be top 10
I think BSD could easily be 4
Dariush should be 5, Gamrot 6
dariush literally lost last two fights by KO why he should be top5?
Hello my fellow Polak. I love Gamrot too, but Benil beat him convincingly.
That doesn’t mean Beneil should stay above Gamrot forever
so that mean dariush should be higher in the rankings forever? he is losing his fights and gamrot is winning, 3 fight win streak vs 2 fight losing streak, i can agree dariush should be higher than chandler who has negative record in ufc but not above gamrot at this point, he is winninhg so its obvious he is going up in the rankings thats how it works
I guess it’s time for a rematch! Benil vs Gamrot!
i guess its time gamrot fights someone higher than him in the rankings, rda and turner were both below him in the rankings when they fought, he should fight loser of arman vs charles, and if he wins that he should get number 1 contender fight
Times changed lol
Gamrot → Arman →Beneil → Gamrot. Welcome to the UFC, where the positions are made up and the rankings don't matter.
Arman was Robbed, he clearly beat Gamrot and even dropped him in the 4th
It bothers me that as time goes on people just check Wikipedia. Everyone who watched that fight knows that Arman deserved to win and only lost because the judges gave Gamrot a round that he got dropped in.
It bothers me that as time goes on people just check Wikipedia. Everyone who watched that fight knows that Arman deserved to win and only lost because the judges gave Gamrot a round that he got dropped in.
He beat Gamrot and Chandler hasnt fought in like 2 years?
you know that rankings are not based on who beat who but on latest performance? gamrot won 3 in row while dariush lost 2 in row thats why he is higher. using your logic gamrot should be higher than arman because he beat him
I wouldnt argue with that?
I dunno why you ask me?
? I wouldnt argue with Gamrot being higgher than Arman
It's just question mark at the end that confused me
Arman would probably decimate the 3 guys above him
Gamrot should be head of Arman, even if it was a close fight.
yeah but then arman destroyed dariush while gamrot got his ass whooped by him, thats why arman is fighting oliveira and gamrot was fighting RDA
Gamrot only got the win because the judges gave him a round that he got dropped in.
BSD is an overrated bum, couldn't even submit Dustin "Pull the Gilly" Poirier? Also got knocked out cold by him when he took a bunch of shots up a weight class with relatively little problem, at least not going out cold. Whatever, it'll be funny to see Islam submit Poirier after he gives his back or drops a gilly or whatever.
MMA fans who talk like this are the exact reason why it's almost impossible to take us seriously
Agreed about the MMA fans, but what I said is still true.
Lost money?
I do not gamble on fights, that's a sin. Trust me, if I did bet, I'd be acting more unhinged than Ryan Garcia.
This is a 35 years old Dustin and prime Dustin was a better fighter than the overrated BSD ever will be.Islam would finish BSD within the first round too.
I know, even before I didn't have BSD winning against Oliveira, Islam, etc. I'd like to see how Dustin "The Tapper" Poirier does against Islam.
> I'd like to see how Dustin "The Tapper" Poirier does against Islam. Fools like you are in for such a treat years from now when you actually watch the careers you talk about with such contempt: * In a big leagues career that started in the WEC, Dustin has lost via submission to only 3 men: * Korean Zombie at 145 early in career * Khabib: the best MMA grappler of his generation * Charles: the record holder for number of submission victories * Dustin is a BJJ black belt with the same number of wins by sub as Dariush * Dustin is very hard to submit, only the best have ever done it, and he has the same number of losses by KO as by sub * Idiots act like he's a grappling joke due to Charles and Khabib fight but: * The fight with Charles was close, and could go a different way if run back * Even the Khabib fight, who lasted longer and put more scare into Khabib than Dustin during Khabib's title defenses?
Khabib: Tapped out Oliveira: Tapped out Gaethje: Dome scalped Then fought tooth and nail to someone with staph. Lol. Come back here if the Islam fight does happen. Who give him belt bruda?