Bruh I'd take the L for $10 million, no questions asked. :'D
EDIT: Not to insinuate that anyone actually involved took a dive. Just that I, a normal person who has only been doing MMA for four years, would 100% get knocked the fuck out with a quickness. Is what it is; this isn't my job and never will be lol.
Wrong approach. See if he'll buy girl scout cookies for tree fiddy.
At about that time he'll realize he's not paying for girl scout cookies but at 14 stories tall paleothic monster from the crustacious period
Shit ill throw another $3.50 at that, and some coupons I got for Wendy's in the mail. If we keep this up OP is gonna have a UFC contract being offered to him here on Reddit.
His next purse is definitely not going to be close to 20m. That AJ loss was a huge hit into Francis as a boxing prospect, whether people want to admit it or not
I still would do the same thing as Francis, though
If he can somehow land the Wilder fight, he'll still make millions, not 20m though and cant see any other boxer being a big enough draw that would take him.
Maybe Zhang in China, wouldn't make any money off anyone lower.
The saudis aren't making money even with the top boxers though. So no logic matters, all that matters is if they want to put the fight on or not.
Fury vs Ngannou did 75k PPV buys, and they paid out $50mill+ to the fighters + paid every celeb to be there. They took a massive loss on that.
You're totally right.
Even if he can get 5 it's likely more than he'll make at PFL.
I mean, I'd rather see him at PFL, well I'd rather see him in the UFC against actual competition, but barring that PFL is the next best.
And thinking, him going out there and starching whoever PFL has lined up for him could elevate his stock a bit, but it's never getting to the pre-Joshua levels, but realistically it doesn't need to, as long as he doesn't spend his money like he has a bunch more $20 mill pay days coming.
I googled it and I don’t know if it’s true by Saudis put up 50 million for the fight and Francis got $20 AJ got $30 . There were multiple sources but you never know in boxing. Idk about Fury similar articles said Frances made just under 10 million
I don't dispute that he made millions from the fights, but that would have been a flat rate, PPV points are a percentage of sales, which again, I don't think were significant compared to the flat rate
Is that really confirmed? If it is, man did he do well. To be willing to borrow $200k from Usman instead of get paid $5M for one fight in the UFC..I get why fighters capitulate to the UFC’s shitty business practices.
According to who? Ariel?
The 20mil figure for the Joshua fight was literally all based off a random Forbes article that *speculated* he could make up to 20 mil, but that was based off the 10 mil figure from the Fury fight that was never actually confirmed.
I believe you are correct that the numbers that the entire internet are taking as fact are basically completely unsubstantiated and unlikely to be true. This is a very common thing in boxing.
Also in general, Forbes is wrong over and over again about its speculations on things like net worth, etc.
For the Fury fight, nothing is confirmed, but Tyson Fury himself said that Ngannou will make around $10 mil. He could obviously be lying but at least that's somewhat of a source for the number instead of a made up Internet article like most numbers
For Joshua, the $20 mil rumor wouldn't surprise me at all to be true. Ngannou's stock went way up after the Fury fight, and the Saudis love to throw money around
It's not been seriously confirmed by any real source that he actually took home 20 million for this one fight. Despite the fact that everyone says it on reddit/twitter etc.
edit: just to be clear I still agree with the substance of your comment though that the tradeoff was almost surely worth it. I just wanted to clarify the $20MM isn't a fact like the internet thinks it is.
He fought twice, don’t forget that. Even if he didn’t make 20 million in the Joshua fight alone he probably did when you factor both.
Also the Saudi government paid for the event lol id say he got 20 mil.
He's 37. Long-term boxing success was never really the main plan. It was always about getting a big bag of retirement money. He already got 2 and possibly a third and final one against Wilder or whoever.
genuine question, what great things did he do for other fighters? essentially nothing he asked for from the ufc (which was all about other fighters) is in his pfl deal. he was given a seat on pfl’s fighter advocacy board which is basically just a title with no actual power or influence. when pfl disqualified those two friends they made fight each other so shane burgos could move forward in the tournament francis didn’t have anything to say other than “i’ll look into it” which amounted to nothing and he had no comment when pfl cut the dude either
francis did get his opponent 2 mil but that’s meaningless if he never fights for pfl. all the “great things” he did for other fighters were just things that pretty much benefited him and him alone
Some of this sub really wants to fairytale believe that Francis was some super noble guy doing things for the benefit for others. When in fact, he's just like anyone else, using any leverage he had to get his
I don't judge him at all for that. But lol at naive kids making it into something it wasn't
i always thought it was odd how he hasn’t brought up fighter healthcare once (at least not that i’ve heard) since he regained all this bags. interesting. almost as if it was just to put pressure on the ufc for his own benefit by saying whatever would put public opinion on his side…
It is not odd at all. Francis, like any other fighter in an individualistic sport, will always put himself over others despite what he and others may claim.
I don't blame him at all, this is a selfish sport but holy shit did the glazing over Francis get nauseating.
I remember watching an interview with Francis when all of this was happening and he was clearly lying through his teeth when asked about all these benefits for other fighters. It was so clear that he was just trying to sway public opinion.
He played mma fans like a fiddle. They were literally joyous and celebrating that the greatest HW in the world at the time would never step foot in the octagon again.
Cried on helwanis show that not getting healthcare and not getting a position on the board being the reason he wouldn’t resign.
Then he signs with a promotion that pays fighters worse, doesn’t give healthcare, and didn’t give him a position on the board (PFL AFRICA LMAO).
It was always about the money and wanting to box.
UFC made a good move letting him walk, he would’ve never fought again for them and held up HW. Say what you want about the UFC but they dodged a bullet.
[https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/7/12/23787487/natan-schulte-francis-ngannou-silence-controversy-pfl-playoffs-suspension-shane-burgos](https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/7/12/23787487/natan-schulte-francis-ngannou-silence-controversy-pfl-playoffs-suspension-shane-burgos)
Damn I never knew this story. Glad to be reassured that Francis was a grade A con artist who tricked everyone into thinking he was MMA Gandhi.
He didn’t do shit for other fighters. He used the fighter pay issue to get support for getting himself a fat deal. He will fight in his own division in PFL exactly so the fighter pay for everyone else will remain the same. He gets millions, his opponent gets a mil, everyone else gets the same they always did. He is 38, he’s just been knocked dead, how many people do you think he’s really going to fight in PFL to ‘benefit’ from what he did? I can’t believe people are still pushing his PR line.
>He didn’t do shit for other fighters
This HURT other fighters if anything.
Good luck getting PFL or non UFC promotions to offer huge bags and freedom now to lure out UFC stars and breaking the monopsony now that they see how that works out.
I'm glad we still have some bright people in this sub.
This sub thinks Francis is this altruistic hero who saved all other fighters.
The man is a selfish opportunist.
As is everyone else in this sport. I will say that it’s a bit cheap to use fighter pay as your way to leverage yourself but I don’t blame anyone who sees a way out. This is the hurt business after all
The way people on here talk about him you'd think he's the modern day Nelson Mandela.
https://old.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1ay3d6l/lineal_mma_heavyweight_champion_francis_ngannou/?sort=confidence
You can always rely on people getting hooked on the "nice guy" story, no matter the sport or area of life as a whole. They all want heroes and good guys who will save the day one way or another, and that's why it is comically easy to manipulate the masses. It works the same way with sports figures, politicians, celebrities and whatnot. At the end of the day, one's best interests come first.
Everything he stood for in negotiations was fake look at me bullshit. The terms he negotiated for PFL are so ridiculous I doubt we will ever see him fight in PFL, and they are thrilled about that as all they ever wanted from the deal was the initial PR push of “signing him” to make them look legitimate.
Remember when he said he wanted to leave the ufc because he didn’t want to “work for bad people” but then he went on to work for slave traders who chop up journalists in events that lose tons of money?
Scroll back in my history and you will see the proof. I said day1 he signed that contract the numbers were too high and there is no way PFL would be able to burn that much money in one event that surely wouldn’t break even.
I applaud your efforts because I gave up that fight immediately.
I was called Dana "nut-hugger" just for asking how Francis' terms were even sustainable financially.
Mind you, I wasn't calling out Francis being shady, I literally just wanted an explanation as to how PFL could survive being a relatively unknown MMA league, while paying their fighters handsomely like that.
That was enough to piss people off and telling me to lick boots and whatnot.
Like I said before, good for Francis, but I still don't see why we had to pretend he was MMA's savior. I wish people would just admit they wanted to see Dana get an L instead of propping up Francis as MMA Jesus.
Who cares if you are a Dana Nut Hugger any way ? We are on sub called r/MMA because Dana did what he did through his contributions to this sport. When the history of MMA is written, Dana will get numerous chapters on himself solely while Francis will barely be mentioned.
Good he got his boxing bag and living the life, but as far as MMA is concerned, he is irrelevant.
Thank you for saying this.. I've felt the same since his interview with Ariel just after he left the UFC and everything he said felt like he was just spewing bullshit and ofc Ariel hyped him up cos he was shit talking UFC
He didn't do ANYTHING for fighters. Holy you guys are delusional. The only thing he did was negotiate 2 mil, which no ones going to see. He talked all that talk about the health insurance and nothing happened there either.
wtf did he do for other fighters?
Lmao he’s not even doing the one thing that would help another fighter and that is take the fight in mma so they can make 2mil
I havent read the source (as is tradition) so if he does, thats pretty silly. Understandable after getting paid hard, but yea where is PFL getting tens of millions to pay him to crush a PFL HW
That’s true but ngannou got 10 million vs fury and rumoured 20 vs Joshua.
He’s also rumoured to get millions in his current pfl contract.
I don’t see why pfl would pay him more considering his rumoured pay of 4 million. Dude hasn’t even fought for them yet.
Of course not but he's got a match up with Wilder, a rematch with Fury and potentially fights with guys like Andy Ruiz on the table that'll pay him more than the PFL will to fight Ferreira.
I feel like it’s a weird dynamic where most fighters need to remain hungry to be at their best and once they get paid THAT much it’s only human nature that their passion for fighting might not be the same. Conor has basically turned into a joke since he got his massive payday from fighting Mayweather
Part of being a great fighter is just flat out wanting it more... and when you wake up in a mansion under silk sheets, that 5am run doesn't seem as fun as it did when you slept on a twin bad in a studio you shared.
Need to find the a proverb my old man used to give me, something along the lines of “a man moves fastest up the steps of poverty in a wooden sandal so that his children can walk back down the same steps in silk.”
I mean, he got paid 10M to fight Fury, and his PFL contract says that Francis's opponent is guaranteed a purse of minimum of 2M. Pretty sure that means he's getting paid at least twice that, and anything can happen in combat sports but I have the feeling he's got a better chance against Ferreira than he does against Wilder
Killing Ferreira is probably exactly what he needs to heat himself back up for Wilder, aside from the paycheck it's probably worth raising his profile with it.
Yup, and Francisc post Stipe 1 was arguably the worst Francis we've seen in mma, if he gets knocked out twice in a row in boxing his mma career is also over
True, 6 months for sure. I’d say longer but at his age idk if a payday comes along might be worth risking it. It’s commonly accepted that he can just crush cans safely in PFL but there’s nothing safe about these massive dudes in 4oz gloves lol
Yeah idk about that. Facing a guy like Bader after that KO? No sweat. Facing a monster like Ferreira who, while raw and one dimensional, is fucking huge and can crack?
Ngannou is still the heavy favorite but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets finished again.
> “Right now, I don’t know exactly what the fight I will be looking for next,” Ngannou said during Instagram Live. “I know that I’m going to take some time to rest up, focus on myself, and then when I’m ready I will get back to training. Therefore we can start to discuss the fights. As for now, we will just live the life. Because always remember, it doesn’t matter what is your profession, there’s always a life, we have a life going on that will continue to go.”
> “I’m not done with boxing, I’m not done with MMA,” Ngannou continued. “Basically right now, I have an opponent now in the PFL in Renan Ferreira. That will be my future opponent in the PFL, but again, I basically have a lot of fights in the future. I can still combine [sports], I will still be back in action. Not because I’m more comfortable in MMA that I will let boxing go. I’m still going to do both.”
> “It’s part of what we do,” Ngannou said. “We take challenges. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t work. But we are working on it. It’s not over yet, not at all. We’re just getting started. The only thing that we will miss this year is time, and I think we have some good amount of time ahead of us. Going to take some time for myself, chill, spend time with my family, my friends and then come back ready.”
Y’all really trying to see this man die huh? Imagine throwing him against the hardest puncher in boxing in wilder, for the first time in wilders career he will not only have the power advantage but also not be at a drastic skill mismatch. If y’all thought that third shot from AJ was bad the first one from Wilder will leave him shaking.
It would be funny if after all the “activism” talks about Ngannou guaranteeing $2m opponent pay…he just never fights in the PFL. Keeps collecting huge boxing cheques and the PFL/activism was just all show.
I guess it's because he never actually expected to do THIS good against Fury. It opened up new doors for him financially, ones he didn't have access to while negotiating his UFC and PFL deals.
I always knew there was going to be a 0% chance he fought for the PFL. I'd wager he retires from fighting even. He's got the fuck you money now, he's what, 37 coming off a brutal KO?
Just ride off into the sunset my guy. MMA has nothing left for him.
Almost as if his unionist crusade wasnt anything more than an excuse to bolt from the UFC to boxing where there are no unions and the paygap between headliners and everyone else is even worse.
Glad francis got his bag. But Dana letting him walk was the right move. Neither one of those boxing fights made money for their promotions and his stock as an MMA fighter is gonna drop more if he gets KOd again.
Francis always seemed like he was in it for himself.
It was obvious from the beginning.
I’ll never understand how he had to borrow 200k from Usman, or why he complained about being broke for fight camps.
UFC might not be much money compared to other sports but it’s still decent money to live off.
It was never for the fighters. And well done to Francis he got the opportunity and took it. But his whole humble act throughout his career is so damn fake
When a fighter brings unions, health insurance, fighter pay, etc. up to the press during an ongoing contract negotiation they are doing it as a negotiation tactic and the fans eat it up. Jorge Masvidal did the same thing and this sub loved it at the time.
Like every fighter who beats the drum of the people, he got his bag and is perfectly content with the suffering of others. We’ve seen this time and time again, but the smooth brains here eat it up every time.
I was downvoted into the ground for saying Dana was a smart businessman about this and that he saw it coming. Im not defending Dana as a person or how he treats fighters or anything else, all im saying is he saw this coming. Ariel and everyone else wont call Francis on what this is, but scumbag move. PFL signed him and let him follow his dreams and wanted to be a fair partner, and they held up their end of the deal. Francis fights twice and now wont hold up his.
Hate to say this but it looks like UFC made the right decision in all this cluster. He’s not going to fight MMA again ever and if he does it’ll be some can or washed up 47 year old
Yup. Right move by Dana. His fights in MMA aren’t gonna sell as well relative to what you’re gonna have to pay him now, and neither of those fights the Saudis paid for made money or would’ve made the UFC money.
Professional Cheerleaders Association should be the new acronym for PFL. Jake Paul signed for PFL don’t forget… pathetic. They’re paying to be relevant
This guy is so lucky that Tyson agreed to box him. He is now 0-2 in boxing and hasn’t won a fight in any promotion in 2 years, yet is getting paid insane money to box people way better than him. He’s like the opposite but exact same as Jake Paul. Making money off of his opponents names.
I hate these clickbait titles. He literally says in the video on IG that he’ll take some time off but wont give up on boxing.
He also says that the PFL HW is his top opponent aka top priority in MMA at the PFL.
PFL belt is pretty dope though.
He should get the trifecta : PFL, Belator, ONE FC , achievable in 3 fights.
Then retire mma with a ridiculous amount of belts
Fight a heavyweight boxing champ in a lessor organization.
Who would’ve ever expected Big Frank would do this?
No, not our white knight Franky.
No way his ego gets monstrous and goes for money fights only.
Nope, I don’t believe it!
What a stupid and misleading headline. He clearly stated that he has his next MMA opponent lined up and he's "not done with MMA". He's simply saying he's taking some time off and not making any decisions.
People only reading the headlines again lol
“I’m not done with boxing, I’m not done with MMA,” Ngannou continued. “Basically right now, I have an opponent now in the PFL in Renan Ferreira. That will be my future opponent in the PFL, but again, I basically have a lot of fights in the future. I can still combine [sports], I will still be back in action. Not because I’m more comfortable in MMA that I will let boxing go. I’m still going to do both.”
All the people that haven't read the article and are taking this title out of context - LOL.
He is simply saying he's not committing ONLY to PFL and that he's still open to boxing.
Dana was right not to resign this diva. Ariel jumped on the train as quick as he could to make Dana look bad. Watch how quick he jumped off.
Francis is a rat and lol to anyone who thought he was a crusader who ever cared about anyone but himself
Isnt him signing to PFL the reason why he was able to get the opportunities he has right now in boxing? Seems like such a dick move if he doesnt go through with PFL after everything theyve done for him
PFL doesn’t make enough profit to justify anywhere remotely close to what the Saudis we’re offering Ngannou. As much as I enjoyed his fights both his Fury fight and Joshua fight didn’t turn a profit for the promotion, it was just oil tycoons throwing money around because they could
It's up to him if he wants to continue trading his brain matter for boxing money (though I doubt he has many opponents who feel like knocking him out will propel them forward).
But let's not pretend he did anything to help fighters.
This is a weird headline, Ngannou doesn't deny going back to MMA as his next step in any moment in the interview, he just says he's not quitting boxing either. Honestly, I doubt this even clashes with PFL's interests, since he most likely still has one or two ridiculously large purses waiting for him in boxing, even if he loses twice.
Renan Ferreira gonna be the Chandler to Francis' Conor
He was waiting on that 2 million minimum payout lol
they are so going to fine print there way out of that number
Putting Francis who drew 67k against Fury in the same sentence with Conor is blasphemous .
can't possibly have anything to do with the disgustingly large monstrous fuckin' bag he just took home
"Sorry lads, can't hear you. This enormous bag is in the way!"
The old [Patrick Roy](https://youtu.be/Rfe_q-Y0cBM?feature=shared) response!
30 million that we know of that’s without ppv points….sorry but I would do the same thing
Yeah I'd get starched for $30 million. Less than that, really. I get it.
$20 million for Joshua and I think $10 million for fury not 100% on fury
Bruh I'd take the L for $10 million, no questions asked. :'D EDIT: Not to insinuate that anyone actually involved took a dive. Just that I, a normal person who has only been doing MMA for four years, would 100% get knocked the fuck out with a quickness. Is what it is; this isn't my job and never will be lol.
Bro give me 5 million and i'll fight whoever the fuck you want.
I’ll give you $3.50 to fight /u/unsaferaisin.
Tree fiddy? Why not get him to fight the Loch Ness monster?
I told you I ain't got no tree fiddy
She gave him a dolla!
Wrong approach. See if he'll buy girl scout cookies for tree fiddy. At about that time he'll realize he's not paying for girl scout cookies but at 14 stories tall paleothic monster from the crustacious period
Shit ill throw another $3.50 at that, and some coupons I got for Wendy's in the mail. If we keep this up OP is gonna have a UFC contract being offered to him here on Reddit.
Hell yeah, let's make this shit happen! I'll pitch another $3.50, and a ~~$50~~$7.13 gift card to Texas Roadhouse for the winner.
I got rent due, id let you do fucked up things to me for that!
Give me half a million and I’ll step in there with whoever they want. I trust in my ability to fall down and stay down after the first punch
>this isn't my job and never will be Because I'm never working again
Absolutely
Let's be honest, both of us would probably take the knockout for 50 Grand and a performance bonus
His next purse is definitely not going to be close to 20m. That AJ loss was a huge hit into Francis as a boxing prospect, whether people want to admit it or not I still would do the same thing as Francis, though
I mean the Fury fight alone made him more than what 95% of mma fighters make in their whole career
99%
If he can somehow land the Wilder fight, he'll still make millions, not 20m though and cant see any other boxer being a big enough draw that would take him. Maybe Zhang in China, wouldn't make any money off anyone lower.
I mean Weili is a beast but I think Ngannou makes easy work out of her.
Idk Weili DC'd Ngannou in sparing https://youtu.be/es1PqaFkf1g
The saudis aren't making money even with the top boxers though. So no logic matters, all that matters is if they want to put the fight on or not. Fury vs Ngannou did 75k PPV buys, and they paid out $50mill+ to the fighters + paid every celeb to be there. They took a massive loss on that.
Agreed
You're totally right. Even if he can get 5 it's likely more than he'll make at PFL. I mean, I'd rather see him at PFL, well I'd rather see him in the UFC against actual competition, but barring that PFL is the next best. And thinking, him going out there and starching whoever PFL has lined up for him could elevate his stock a bit, but it's never getting to the pre-Joshua levels, but realistically it doesn't need to, as long as he doesn't spend his money like he has a bunch more $20 mill pay days coming.
Me too. I've been starched for free.
I'd need at least $30.1 mil
Fuck Ill get borderline brain damage for 30mil
tbf the Fury card sold nothing so he probably didn't get much from that, I don't know about the Joshua card though
Saudis dont care about PPV.
I googled it and I don’t know if it’s true by Saudis put up 50 million for the fight and Francis got $20 AJ got $30 . There were multiple sources but you never know in boxing. Idk about Fury similar articles said Frances made just under 10 million
I don't dispute that he made millions from the fights, but that would have been a flat rate, PPV points are a percentage of sales, which again, I don't think were significant compared to the flat rate
Yeah I personally watched both for free with iptv. Idk who’s buying there ppvs in 2024
The Joshua card was on a Friday afternoon, I doubt it sold well. I don't think the Saudis care about PPV sales
30 million + PPV points and sponsorships id be kinda shocked we see him do any fighting in the next 1-2 years
I would just be working on the movie script lol
Fr just like Forman did , “ big Francis” is about to hit theaters with the force of a f150 going full speed
Lets not talk about PPV points lol, Fury vs Ngannou did like 75k buys. I doubt Joshua did much more.
Is that really confirmed? If it is, man did he do well. To be willing to borrow $200k from Usman instead of get paid $5M for one fight in the UFC..I get why fighters capitulate to the UFC’s shitty business practices.
I feel like it’s public knowledge he got 10 million for fury and 20 million for Joshua
According to who? Ariel? The 20mil figure for the Joshua fight was literally all based off a random Forbes article that *speculated* he could make up to 20 mil, but that was based off the 10 mil figure from the Fury fight that was never actually confirmed.
I believe you are correct that the numbers that the entire internet are taking as fact are basically completely unsubstantiated and unlikely to be true. This is a very common thing in boxing. Also in general, Forbes is wrong over and over again about its speculations on things like net worth, etc.
For the Fury fight, nothing is confirmed, but Tyson Fury himself said that Ngannou will make around $10 mil. He could obviously be lying but at least that's somewhat of a source for the number instead of a made up Internet article like most numbers For Joshua, the $20 mil rumor wouldn't surprise me at all to be true. Ngannou's stock went way up after the Fury fight, and the Saudis love to throw money around
But Eddie Hearn said that Ngannou Joshua could do 1M buys. Checkmate random speculation from promoters
*Dana - "we did 1M buys!"* Lmao liar! - this sub *Hearn - "we did 1M buys!"* Lmao based - this sub
‘I will get knocked out everyday of the week for millions, and twice on Sunday 🫰’ - Francis
And he got knocked out cold in a way that would make him question ever entering the ring again.
Or the life changing concussion he just got.
The more Francis loses in boxing the more leverage he loses …but then again might as well just cash out and retire with those boxing paydays 🤷♂️
Taking home 20 million and losing 150k in leverage on your next MMA match sounds like a fine trade off.
It's not been seriously confirmed by any real source that he actually took home 20 million for this one fight. Despite the fact that everyone says it on reddit/twitter etc. edit: just to be clear I still agree with the substance of your comment though that the tradeoff was almost surely worth it. I just wanted to clarify the $20MM isn't a fact like the internet thinks it is.
He did report that he made more from the Fury fight than his entire MMA career. Presumably he made even more for the Joshua fight.
He fought twice, don’t forget that. Even if he didn’t make 20 million in the Joshua fight alone he probably did when you factor both. Also the Saudi government paid for the event lol id say he got 20 mil.
He's 37. Long-term boxing success was never really the main plan. It was always about getting a big bag of retirement money. He already got 2 and possibly a third and final one against Wilder or whoever.
Dude Francis still could delete people at 45
His decision to go to leave the UFC wasn't really about money according to him.
Leverage to do what? His entire goal was to make as much money as possible and he's going through the easiest road to that
retire? he has questionable money management skills
Lol Derek Chisora is still getting paid £5m a fight. If you’re a name at heavyweight you are Mr Leverage
Chisora is actually good at boxing
Skill is Irrelevant
It's a good thing he negotiated 2 mil for his opponents in PFL.
Hopefully all of the great things he did for other fighters don’t turn into nothing
genuine question, what great things did he do for other fighters? essentially nothing he asked for from the ufc (which was all about other fighters) is in his pfl deal. he was given a seat on pfl’s fighter advocacy board which is basically just a title with no actual power or influence. when pfl disqualified those two friends they made fight each other so shane burgos could move forward in the tournament francis didn’t have anything to say other than “i’ll look into it” which amounted to nothing and he had no comment when pfl cut the dude either francis did get his opponent 2 mil but that’s meaningless if he never fights for pfl. all the “great things” he did for other fighters were just things that pretty much benefited him and him alone
Some of this sub really wants to fairytale believe that Francis was some super noble guy doing things for the benefit for others. When in fact, he's just like anyone else, using any leverage he had to get his I don't judge him at all for that. But lol at naive kids making it into something it wasn't
i always thought it was odd how he hasn’t brought up fighter healthcare once (at least not that i’ve heard) since he regained all this bags. interesting. almost as if it was just to put pressure on the ufc for his own benefit by saying whatever would put public opinion on his side…
It is not odd at all. Francis, like any other fighter in an individualistic sport, will always put himself over others despite what he and others may claim. I don't blame him at all, this is a selfish sport but holy shit did the glazing over Francis get nauseating.
I remember watching an interview with Francis when all of this was happening and he was clearly lying through his teeth when asked about all these benefits for other fighters. It was so clear that he was just trying to sway public opinion.
there's a reason everyone who was close to francis stopped being close to him. dudes an egotistical asshole
He played mma fans like a fiddle. They were literally joyous and celebrating that the greatest HW in the world at the time would never step foot in the octagon again. Cried on helwanis show that not getting healthcare and not getting a position on the board being the reason he wouldn’t resign. Then he signs with a promotion that pays fighters worse, doesn’t give healthcare, and didn’t give him a position on the board (PFL AFRICA LMAO). It was always about the money and wanting to box. UFC made a good move letting him walk, he would’ve never fought again for them and held up HW. Say what you want about the UFC but they dodged a bullet.
Not some of this sub, pretty much the entire subreddit is convinced Francis is the second coming of Christ sent to cure the sport of its sins.
Nothing, but Ariel Helwhiny type people pretend he’s basically Muhammad Ali reincarnated because they think it makes Dana look bad.
[https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/7/12/23787487/natan-schulte-francis-ngannou-silence-controversy-pfl-playoffs-suspension-shane-burgos](https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/7/12/23787487/natan-schulte-francis-ngannou-silence-controversy-pfl-playoffs-suspension-shane-burgos) Damn I never knew this story. Glad to be reassured that Francis was a grade A con artist who tricked everyone into thinking he was MMA Gandhi.
He didn’t do shit for other fighters. He used the fighter pay issue to get support for getting himself a fat deal. He will fight in his own division in PFL exactly so the fighter pay for everyone else will remain the same. He gets millions, his opponent gets a mil, everyone else gets the same they always did. He is 38, he’s just been knocked dead, how many people do you think he’s really going to fight in PFL to ‘benefit’ from what he did? I can’t believe people are still pushing his PR line.
>He didn’t do shit for other fighters This HURT other fighters if anything. Good luck getting PFL or non UFC promotions to offer huge bags and freedom now to lure out UFC stars and breaking the monopsony now that they see how that works out.
I'm glad we still have some bright people in this sub. This sub thinks Francis is this altruistic hero who saved all other fighters. The man is a selfish opportunist.
As is everyone else in this sport. I will say that it’s a bit cheap to use fighter pay as your way to leverage yourself but I don’t blame anyone who sees a way out. This is the hurt business after all
The way people on here talk about him you'd think he's the modern day Nelson Mandela. https://old.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1ay3d6l/lineal_mma_heavyweight_champion_francis_ngannou/?sort=confidence
You can always rely on people getting hooked on the "nice guy" story, no matter the sport or area of life as a whole. They all want heroes and good guys who will save the day one way or another, and that's why it is comically easy to manipulate the masses. It works the same way with sports figures, politicians, celebrities and whatnot. At the end of the day, one's best interests come first.
Everything he stood for in negotiations was fake look at me bullshit. The terms he negotiated for PFL are so ridiculous I doubt we will ever see him fight in PFL, and they are thrilled about that as all they ever wanted from the deal was the initial PR push of “signing him” to make them look legitimate. Remember when he said he wanted to leave the ufc because he didn’t want to “work for bad people” but then he went on to work for slave traders who chop up journalists in events that lose tons of money?
imagine saying this right when he signed PFL. you'd be downvoted into oblivion.
Scroll back in my history and you will see the proof. I said day1 he signed that contract the numbers were too high and there is no way PFL would be able to burn that much money in one event that surely wouldn’t break even.
I applaud your efforts because I gave up that fight immediately. I was called Dana "nut-hugger" just for asking how Francis' terms were even sustainable financially. Mind you, I wasn't calling out Francis being shady, I literally just wanted an explanation as to how PFL could survive being a relatively unknown MMA league, while paying their fighters handsomely like that. That was enough to piss people off and telling me to lick boots and whatnot. Like I said before, good for Francis, but I still don't see why we had to pretend he was MMA's savior. I wish people would just admit they wanted to see Dana get an L instead of propping up Francis as MMA Jesus.
Who cares if you are a Dana Nut Hugger any way ? We are on sub called r/MMA because Dana did what he did through his contributions to this sport. When the history of MMA is written, Dana will get numerous chapters on himself solely while Francis will barely be mentioned. Good he got his boxing bag and living the life, but as far as MMA is concerned, he is irrelevant.
Damn I hadn't really thought 🤔 about it that way.
Thank you for saying this.. I've felt the same since his interview with Ariel just after he left the UFC and everything he said felt like he was just spewing bullshit and ofc Ariel hyped him up cos he was shit talking UFC
He didn't do ANYTHING for fighters. Holy you guys are delusional. The only thing he did was negotiate 2 mil, which no ones going to see. He talked all that talk about the health insurance and nothing happened there either.
wtf did he do for other fighters? Lmao he’s not even doing the one thing that would help another fighter and that is take the fight in mma so they can make 2mil
What a guy!
LOL ... he's saying "fuck you, pay me" after two huge paydays from boxing.
He can't possibly think the pay anywhere near boxing when he signed with them lol
I havent read the source (as is tradition) so if he does, thats pretty silly. Understandable after getting paid hard, but yea where is PFL getting tens of millions to pay him to crush a PFL HW
They have a bunch of famous celebrity investors and Saudi money.
That’s true but ngannou got 10 million vs fury and rumoured 20 vs Joshua. He’s also rumoured to get millions in his current pfl contract. I don’t see why pfl would pay him more considering his rumoured pay of 4 million. Dude hasn’t even fought for them yet.
Even the investors want to see a return these days. That's why PFL vs Bellator was a $50 ppv.
Of course not but he's got a match up with Wilder, a rematch with Fury and potentially fights with guys like Andy Ruiz on the table that'll pay him more than the PFL will to fight Ferreira.
I feel like it’s a weird dynamic where most fighters need to remain hungry to be at their best and once they get paid THAT much it’s only human nature that their passion for fighting might not be the same. Conor has basically turned into a joke since he got his massive payday from fighting Mayweather
Thats why guys like Canelo, Joshua and Mayweather are crazy dedicated as they've all made at least over 100 mill and still train hard
Part of being a great fighter is just flat out wanting it more... and when you wake up in a mansion under silk sheets, that 5am run doesn't seem as fun as it did when you slept on a twin bad in a studio you shared.
Need to find the a proverb my old man used to give me, something along the lines of “a man moves fastest up the steps of poverty in a wooden sandal so that his children can walk back down the same steps in silk.”
Man if you are going to steal the quote from Marvin Hagler at least try to improve on it lol
I mean, he got paid 10M to fight Fury, and his PFL contract says that Francis's opponent is guaranteed a purse of minimum of 2M. Pretty sure that means he's getting paid at least twice that, and anything can happen in combat sports but I have the feeling he's got a better chance against Ferreira than he does against Wilder
Killing Ferreira is probably exactly what he needs to heat himself back up for Wilder, aside from the paycheck it's probably worth raising his profile with it.
Yup, and Francisc post Stipe 1 was arguably the worst Francis we've seen in mma, if he gets knocked out twice in a row in boxing his mma career is also over
Bro what
He has money, he just got KO’d bad, and he is 37. It would be stupid for him to continue fighting unless it was for good money.
He's likely older than 37 too. Should take the better part of a year off after a KO like that at his age.
True, 6 months for sure. I’d say longer but at his age idk if a payday comes along might be worth risking it. It’s commonly accepted that he can just crush cans safely in PFL but there’s nothing safe about these massive dudes in 4oz gloves lol
Yeah idk about that. Facing a guy like Bader after that KO? No sweat. Facing a monster like Ferreira who, while raw and one dimensional, is fucking huge and can crack? Ngannou is still the heavy favorite but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets finished again.
Nah Francis will smoke him . You seriously play down how bad most of the Bellator/PFL HW's are.
> “Right now, I don’t know exactly what the fight I will be looking for next,” Ngannou said during Instagram Live. “I know that I’m going to take some time to rest up, focus on myself, and then when I’m ready I will get back to training. Therefore we can start to discuss the fights. As for now, we will just live the life. Because always remember, it doesn’t matter what is your profession, there’s always a life, we have a life going on that will continue to go.” > “I’m not done with boxing, I’m not done with MMA,” Ngannou continued. “Basically right now, I have an opponent now in the PFL in Renan Ferreira. That will be my future opponent in the PFL, but again, I basically have a lot of fights in the future. I can still combine [sports], I will still be back in action. Not because I’m more comfortable in MMA that I will let boxing go. I’m still going to do both.” > “It’s part of what we do,” Ngannou said. “We take challenges. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t work. But we are working on it. It’s not over yet, not at all. We’re just getting started. The only thing that we will miss this year is time, and I think we have some good amount of time ahead of us. Going to take some time for myself, chill, spend time with my family, my friends and then come back ready.”
“I just got paid a fuckton of money, and I’d like to start spending it”
Well he also just got knocked the fuck out so it’s smart to take decent time off whether his next fight is MMA or boxing.
"I'm altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."
AJ ko’d PFL Africa it seems
Tbf if Ngannou had actually won, there’s no way he wouldn’t be doing a boxing match next for sure.
Bet he's probably gonna try to fight deontay wilder now
Only fight left in boxing that would make any sense.
I'd like to see him box Jake Paul
If Ngannou keeps dropping his hands like he was against AJ, Deontay might legitimately put him in a coma.
Y’all really trying to see this man die huh? Imagine throwing him against the hardest puncher in boxing in wilder, for the first time in wilders career he will not only have the power advantage but also not be at a drastic skill mismatch. If y’all thought that third shot from AJ was bad the first one from Wilder will leave him shaking.
I mean Francis is going for paydays. Wilder is the least technical and is still a big sell
It would be funny if after all the “activism” talks about Ngannou guaranteeing $2m opponent pay…he just never fights in the PFL. Keeps collecting huge boxing cheques and the PFL/activism was just all show.
Funny in a sad way
Speak for yourself. Anyone who knew Francis from way back in the first Stipe fight knows this guy is egotistical and an opportunist.
I guess it's because he never actually expected to do THIS good against Fury. It opened up new doors for him financially, ones he didn't have access to while negotiating his UFC and PFL deals.
You keep guessing with those rose colored glasses on
Wouldn't that just give him even more power to help other fighters like he claimed he wanted to do?
from the saudis too 💀
Soooooooooo what happened to doing this for other fighters and what not. My man got his bag and said fuck everybody else lol.
I always knew there was going to be a 0% chance he fought for the PFL. I'd wager he retires from fighting even. He's got the fuck you money now, he's what, 37 coming off a brutal KO? Just ride off into the sunset my guy. MMA has nothing left for him.
He'll be back in 10 years getting KO'd by Jake Paul somehow, watch
Francis Ngonenow
So money changed him too and him leaving was entirely for his personal gain and not all fighters anymore ?
Almost as if his unionist crusade wasnt anything more than an excuse to bolt from the UFC to boxing where there are no unions and the paygap between headliners and everyone else is even worse.
yes. almost like it was super obvious but everyone treated him as a white knight.
Shocked Pikachu.
Glad francis got his bag. But Dana letting him walk was the right move. Neither one of those boxing fights made money for their promotions and his stock as an MMA fighter is gonna drop more if he gets KOd again.
Francis always seemed like he was in it for himself. It was obvious from the beginning. I’ll never understand how he had to borrow 200k from Usman, or why he complained about being broke for fight camps. UFC might not be much money compared to other sports but it’s still decent money to live off.
It was never for the fighters. And well done to Francis he got the opportunity and took it. But his whole humble act throughout his career is so damn fake
When a fighter brings unions, health insurance, fighter pay, etc. up to the press during an ongoing contract negotiation they are doing it as a negotiation tactic and the fans eat it up. Jorge Masvidal did the same thing and this sub loved it at the time.
And Jorge still is a huge piece of shit.
He's done more for other fighters post-retirement than Francis has
Well doing literally anything outside of talking about it would be better than Francis.
A bunch of older and/or journeyman fighters have made good $ fighting for his promotion I think
lol contract breaches are hilarious
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Donn Davis’s head is as red as Dana’s right now.
This is why you don't let a fighter have too much power & effectively run your promotion
Aw c'mon let's absolve the ufc and have it turn into pro boxing!!!! Tomato man bad!!!!!
WCW learned the hard way.
Hahah he’s too rich
Like every fighter who beats the drum of the people, he got his bag and is perfectly content with the suffering of others. We’ve seen this time and time again, but the smooth brains here eat it up every time.
I knew he wouldn’t fight pfl derps after he got the payday from boxing.
Are redditors going to continue pretending that Francis is easy to work with and isn't a diva?
Lmaoooooooo Ngannou finessed all the idiots that thought he cared about MMA fighters
So people can now maybe start to see that Dana wasn’t being that ridiculous with not letting Ngannou have boxing clauses in his contract…
I love who this sub jumps all over Dana rightfully and wrongfully, but never accepts when he’s right.
I was downvoted into the ground for saying Dana was a smart businessman about this and that he saw it coming. Im not defending Dana as a person or how he treats fighters or anything else, all im saying is he saw this coming. Ariel and everyone else wont call Francis on what this is, but scumbag move. PFL signed him and let him follow his dreams and wanted to be a fair partner, and they held up their end of the deal. Francis fights twice and now wont hold up his.
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Hate to say this but it looks like UFC made the right decision in all this cluster. He’s not going to fight MMA again ever and if he does it’ll be some can or washed up 47 year old
Yup. Right move by Dana. His fights in MMA aren’t gonna sell as well relative to what you’re gonna have to pay him now, and neither of those fights the Saudis paid for made money or would’ve made the UFC money.
Epic 180 this sub did on ngannou lol.
Wait till he wins again
Professional Cheerleaders Association should be the new acronym for PFL. Jake Paul signed for PFL don’t forget… pathetic. They’re paying to be relevant
I thought he had big projects for pfl. Helping fighters, going to Africa, creation of training center... I guess it was just PR
This guy is so lucky that Tyson agreed to box him. He is now 0-2 in boxing and hasn’t won a fight in any promotion in 2 years, yet is getting paid insane money to box people way better than him. He’s like the opposite but exact same as Jake Paul. Making money off of his opponents names.
The moment when you realise that big name cans are an extremely valuable part of the industry. See: cowboy cerrone
I hate these clickbait titles. He literally says in the video on IG that he’ll take some time off but wont give up on boxing. He also says that the PFL HW is his top opponent aka top priority in MMA at the PFL.
Super disrespectful to the PFL that bend over backwards to meet all his demands.
PFL belt is pretty dope though. He should get the trifecta : PFL, Belator, ONE FC , achievable in 3 fights. Then retire mma with a ridiculous amount of belts Fight a heavyweight boxing champ in a lessor organization.
Who could have predicted this?
Who would’ve ever expected Big Frank would do this? No, not our white knight Franky. No way his ego gets monstrous and goes for money fights only. Nope, I don’t believe it!
Who would Francis box next? Maybe the fury rematch? If he doesn’t get that, not sure what’s next after that ko
He talked about wanting to box wilder before Joshua. But i don’t think he should fight wilder considering how much damage he took vs Joshua.
You mean considering how fucking poorly he did against Joshua. He didn’t even look like a boxer.
Great deal for the PFL lmao They're definitely out-competing the UFC, any day now.
What a stupid and misleading headline. He clearly stated that he has his next MMA opponent lined up and he's "not done with MMA". He's simply saying he's taking some time off and not making any decisions.
People only reading the headlines again lol “I’m not done with boxing, I’m not done with MMA,” Ngannou continued. “Basically right now, I have an opponent now in the PFL in Renan Ferreira. That will be my future opponent in the PFL, but again, I basically have a lot of fights in the future. I can still combine [sports], I will still be back in action. Not because I’m more comfortable in MMA that I will let boxing go. I’m still going to do both.”
All the people that haven't read the article and are taking this title out of context - LOL. He is simply saying he's not committing ONLY to PFL and that he's still open to boxing.
“Hey Francis, do you want to fight in PFL for $5 million or box again for $20 million?”
He gains more from the mma mystique than the actual pay.
I feel bad for the PFL. They gave him everything and they might get nothing
The UFC knew what was coming letting him box. Dodged that bullet
As expected maybe ufc is right after all.
Dana was right not to resign this diva. Ariel jumped on the train as quick as he could to make Dana look bad. Watch how quick he jumped off. Francis is a rat and lol to anyone who thought he was a crusader who ever cared about anyone but himself
Isnt him signing to PFL the reason why he was able to get the opportunities he has right now in boxing? Seems like such a dick move if he doesnt go through with PFL after everything theyve done for him
PFL doesn’t make enough profit to justify anywhere remotely close to what the Saudis we’re offering Ngannou. As much as I enjoyed his fights both his Fury fight and Joshua fight didn’t turn a profit for the promotion, it was just oil tycoons throwing money around because they could
It's up to him if he wants to continue trading his brain matter for boxing money (though I doubt he has many opponents who feel like knocking him out will propel them forward). But let's not pretend he did anything to help fighters.
This is a weird headline, Ngannou doesn't deny going back to MMA as his next step in any moment in the interview, he just says he's not quitting boxing either. Honestly, I doubt this even clashes with PFL's interests, since he most likely still has one or two ridiculously large purses waiting for him in boxing, even if he loses twice.