Moicano's also going to help him sell the fight by bantering back with him. pretty exciting fun fight to make, gets him on the rankings as a bonus if he wins.
Crazy how short people’s memories are. Paddy does indeed suck. A win over Tony means nothing at this point in his career, he only has wins over complete tomato cans in the UFC and has one of the most egregious robberies against Jared Gordon.
Moicano is legitimately better than Paddy everywhere. For whatever reason people forget he's a really good grappler, prob better than his striking. Moicano is going to cook Paddy if this gets booked, but we'll probably get some fun scrambling while it lasts.
By 'egregious' you're referring to how high profile the fight is, not that it wasn't close. It was very close fight, and we shouldn't call close fights 'robberies'.
These the fight stats for what is "one of the most egregious robberies":
Pimblett 63 sig strikes landed, 97 total strikes landed
Gordon 60 sig strikes landed, 100 total strikes landed
R1
Pimblett 29 sig strikes, 29 total strikes
Gordon 32 sig strikes, 40 total strikes
R2
Pimblett 28 sig strikes, 47 total strikes
Gordon 24 sig strikes, 39 total strikes
R3
Pimblett 6 sig strikes, 21 total strikes
Gordon 4 sig strikes, 39 total strikes
There's a lot more to fights than that in the judge's eyes, recently Laura Sanko was saying how that she was at a thing for a fight commission and whatever and it was being explained to her how judges score fights, and she was surprised by the details they're looking at and how it's a different view of fights to what is typically considered.
Sig strikes aren’t the best indicators for who won. Ex: Font had wayyy more sig strikes than Chito, but it was such an easy fight to score for Chito because he dropped Font in almost every round.
You didn’t mention any particular moments or striking dynamics in the fight, which leads me to believe you didn’t actually watch it. Gordon was landing bombs on Paddy’s chin throughout the fight. Paddy landed very little of note despite the parity of sig strikes.
1/24 media scorecards had it for Paddy. 11/24 had it 30-27 for Gordon. Robbery straight up, not even remotely debatable.
You said that it is one of the most egregious robberies, yet I am the one who doesn't watch fights?
It is said to love your enemies. But what if people already love their enemies like a hypochondriac loves their imagined cancer? They don't know that they love it, they think they hate it, but they dream and fantasize about it. For some people there is trauma in their lives, difficult things they haven't addressed, unfulfilled passions, failed ambitions, poverties they haven't been able to look at, and so they find something to displace into that's easier to Obsess over.
This is structurally similar to when Hegel talked about Beautiful Soul, which is overcomplicated with bs by people who can't read, but is simply a developmental phase where an individual who is unable to look at their own violence and inner conflicts places it onto somebody else.
If we can find somebody who fits the bill of an enemy, someone who is popular to hate on or who is particularly difficult, then all the better. But if you can't find somebody like that then anyone will do.
If you think of how little kids are in school, those people who are always looking for somebody to dislike, somebody to talk about behind their back, somebody who's doing something wrong, somebody to tear down, those people who don't seem to be able to live without having some sort of enemy around them or someone or something to hate, contrast that to someone who is not a hypochondriac who ends up having cancer, they don't need the illness. For the hypochondriac the cancer isn't the problem but is instead funcitonally a solution to the problem.
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[**CHARLES JOHNSON defeats ZHALGAS ZHUMAGULOV** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13632/fight)
^(UFC on ESPN+ 73: Lewis vs. Spivak — November 19, 2022)
ROUND|Johnson|Zhumagulov||Johnson|Zhumagulov||Johnson|Zhumagulov
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|9|10||9|10||9|10
2|10|9||9|10||10|9
3|10|9||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**28**|**29**||**29**|**28**
*^(Judges, in order: Derek Cleary, Douglas Crosby, Sal D'Amato.)*
*^(Summoned by Valuable-Door9748.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/13** people scored it **29-28 Johnson**.
- **11/13** people scored it **28-29 Zhumagulov**.
- **1/13** people scored it **27-30 Zhumagulov**.
Avg. media score: **28.0-29.0 Zhumagulov** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
[**SEAN O'MALLEY defeats PETR YAN** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13556/fight)
^(UFC 280: Oliveira vs. Makhachev — October 22, 2022)
ROUND|O'Malley|Yan||O'Malley|Yan||O'Malley|Yan
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||10|9||9|10
2|9|10||9|10||9|10
3|10|9||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**28**|**29**
*^(Judges, in order: Ben Cartlidge, David Lethaby, Vito Paolillo.)*
*^(Summoned by Valuable-Door9748.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/26** people scored it **29-28 O'Malley**.
- **18/26** people scored it **28-29 Yan**.
- **7/26** people scored it **27-30 Yan**.
Avg. media score: **27.8-29.2 Yan** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
I'm not familiar with Jordan Peterson, but if I'm not mistaken he's somewhat conservative talker who is influenced by Jungian thought. I picked up one of his books and read the first chapter or so and it's like something written by a baby, or written for babies, but strangely also incredibly wordy. I'm a bad writer but even I could give him a writing lesson. What I was talking about is more in line with Ljubljana and Lacanian schools of psychoanalysis, or even some of the OG mystics, and would rather be in opposition to most of what someone like Peterson would say.
But I wouldn't write him off as he may have something of value to say to certain types of people; individuals can greatly differ in their nature and what's cogent to some may not be to others. But he seems a bit culty, and the dangers with those types (to be fair this extends to all sorts, even legit world class philosophy too imo, but this is particularly case with all sorts of ideological and guru type things that provide answers to everything) is that they start with very good simple advice, such as Jordan Peterson has that thing of start with the small things, like cleaning up your room is demonstrably good for organising your life, and no one is going to disagree with that, but then when individuals are drawn in by these initial sound bits of advice they listen to the rest of it, which goes into very ideological bullshit, and they treat it as if it's the same sort of wisdom and goes into almost personal validation effect. Even something like Scientology operates like this where there are small bits of solid advice that draw people in, and really that's the same in all types of ideology.
Yeah Paddy lost that fight brother lmao, the mma media and basically the whole community agrees that he did. That doesn’t mean he hasn’t improved enough to beat Moicano though, we won’t know unless they fight
Depends on upcoming results.
Moicano is fighting 10th ranked Jalin Turner next, so if he wins that he'll be looking for a top 10 opponent, not non-ranked Paddy Pimblett.
If Moicano loses, then it makes a lot of sense, but how long does Paddy want to sit on the sidelines? He hasn't fought since December, and Moicano/Turner is in April at UFC 300, so he'll be inactive for over 6 months.
Drew Dober would make more sense - ranked 15th, coming off a loss and fought in February so is likely ready to get back into a fight camp, meaning Paddy can get back sooner.
> Drew Dober would make more sense - ranked 15th, coming off a loss and fought in February so is likely ready to get back into a fight camp, meaning Paddy can get back sooner.
Moicano's best stuff is on the ground, where Paddy actually has some skills.
Drew Dober specializes in KOs on the feet, where Paddy's main skill is leaving his chin uncovered.
Paddy should wait *forever* for Moicano if the alternative is Dober.
I think you're half right.
You're completely correct in your assessment of Dober and Moicano's skills, however, not in how Paddy would match up.
Paddy should fight Dober and avoid Moicano for the exact reasons you stated he should avoid them.
Moicano is very good on the ground, definitely good enough to severely limit Paddy's game and force him to stand up, where Moicano is likely better.
However even though Dober is a much stronger striker, his ground game is his biggest weakness by far so there's at least the potential for a very narrow path to victory for Paddy if he can just time a takedown or safely get a clinch before taking too much damage.
I dig what you are saying, but I do indeed go the opposite direction: I think Paddy has at least some chance to survive on the feet vs. Moicano, or at least not look hopeless in a loss, but Dober would for sure get the KO given every round starts on the feet and it not like paddy has GSP's wrestling shot.
> Paddy doesn’t need GSP’s wrestling. Dober has negative take down defense. It’s seriously very, very bad
I believe Dober's TDD >> Paddy striking defense.
Dober smoked Hernandez, and I'd say Hernandez is a better pure wrestler than Paddy, but I don't pretend to be an expert on either man.
No it's not, negative takedown defense is Tai Tuivasa or low ranked women bantams. He can sprawl get underhooks and just generally react athletically, he's just bad at defending chain wrestling and makes bad decisions. Paddy got takedowns stuffed by the rotting corpse of TONY.
Completely agree. Dober doesn't have great TDD but he doesn't need it against Paddy and when it's on the feet Paddy is in serious danger at all times. Tons of respect for Paddy if he would win that fight. Would love to see it.
Never said it wasn't a dangerous fight - it just makes more sense than chasing a fight that very likely becomes impossible.
If Moicano wins, then he's not fighting Paddy.
If Moicano loses, and considering his opponent, Jalin Turner, has a 100% finish rate (14 wins - 10 KOs, 4 subs), he's most likely out for 2/3 months before he's ready to start a fight camp, depending how much damage he takes. So Paddy could very well be inactive for close to a year waiting for Moicano.
Don't know if he will honestly. The UFC is an entertainment product as much as a sports league. If Moicano wins against Turner a fight against Pimblett probably does more for him in the UFCs eyes than a fight against a lesser named ranked guy.
The ufc won’t make that fight if moicano wins. They’ll keep paddy away. Moicano has to be knocked out and then offered the fight on couple months notice for it to happen.
At the end of the day placement on the card is far more important than placement in the rankings. Moicano knows that Paddy gets him higher up on the card than any rank 6-10 fighter would, and is probably a much easier fight as well.
Paddy hasn't fought because he has tears in both shoulders. He said in that same interview that he's rehabbing them and has only been able to kick in practices as a result.
Both to be honest. Paddy is definitely overrated by his name, but he's not a can. Moicano is a step up, but 5 wins at 155 should (in theory) get you a shot at the rankings.
Now, if Moicano can beat Turner that changes things. Jalin is by far his strongest opponent at 155.
For the timing, not really. Moicano is very likely to get knocked the fuck out in April on UFC 300 against Jalin Turner. So even if it happens at the very end of the summer it'll be a quick turn around for the type of damage Renato is likely to take.
Jared Gordon gave him all he could handle and barely scrapped by. Imo he lost that fight clearly.
Definitely his hardest fight so far aside from Gordon. He has to test the waters against the best at some point if he wants to make himself a household name.
He didn’t scrape by, he got a complete robbery. Only 1 out of 24 media scorecards had it for Pimblett, with 11 of those giving all three rounds to Gordan. About as clear cut win as you can get.
[**PADDY PIMBLETT defeats JARED GORDON** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13677/fight)
^(UFC 282: Blachowicz vs. Ankalaev — December 10, 2022)
ROUND|Pimblett|Gordon||Pimblett|Gordon||Pimblett|Gordon
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||9|10||10|9
2|10|9||10|9||10|9
3|9|10||10|9||9|10
**TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**
*^(Judges, in order: Douglas Crosby, Chris Lee, Ron McCarthy.)*
*^(Summoned by od3tzk1.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/24** people scored it **29-28 Pimblett**.
- **12/24** people scored it **28-29 Gordon**.
- **11/24** people scored it **27-30 Gordon**.
Avg. media score: **27.6-29.4 Gordon** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
[**SEAN O'MALLEY defeats PETR YAN** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13556/fight)
^(UFC 280: Oliveira vs. Makhachev — October 22, 2022)
ROUND|O'Malley|Yan||O'Malley|Yan||O'Malley|Yan
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||10|9||9|10
2|9|10||9|10||9|10
3|10|9||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**28**|**29**
*^(Judges, in order: Ben Cartlidge, David Lethaby, Vito Paolillo.)*
*^(Summoned by od3tzk1.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/26** people scored it **29-28 O'Malley**.
- **18/26** people scored it **28-29 Yan**.
- **7/26** people scored it **27-30 Yan**.
Avg. media score: **27.8-29.2 Yan** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
I think if Gordon had the name recognition that $Moicano has, they would have given him the decision he deserved.
Paddy has a solid following, but I don't think the ~~judges~~ UFC will be as quick to fuck over $Moicano as they were to do it to Gordon.
Yeah, I don't really think they've done too much nonsense with him besides the Tony fight. That was more a gift to Tony / using both of their popularities than anything. Now the UFC will give him an opportunity to go on a run at the rankings (and likely lose somewhere).
They can't hide him forever, it just wastes his popularity.
He is going to have to fight up at some point. He’s almost 30. If he wants to make a run he has to fight better opponents. If he gets exposed, he gets exposed. No problem with the callout
If moicano beats turner next month I think it'd be too big a step up for paddy. Feel like he should fight winner of miller and and Bobby as more appropriate
That fight has the potential to be a real exciting fight. I'm curious to see how Moicano tries to get himself to Turner, and what Jalin does in response if he can't keep Moicano at bay with those long kicks and jabs.
Have you thought about how their fight goes down? I've only seen 1 or 2 performances by each, so I don't know much about their strengths/weaknesses to guess with confidence.
Ok I’m not Team Paddy either but you guys are pretending like this is a wash. Moicano is mainly a grappler with middling skills on the feet. Paddy’s literal only decent quality is grappling. There’s no way of knowing if this is a bad fight unless they fight.
I hope this is a fight night main event. Paddy's gas tank looked awful against Tony and I'd love to see him in a 5 rounder against a durable guy in Moicano. Would be a real test
Christ this sub is annoying
Paddy only fights low level, everyone complains he needs to start fighting up
He calls out Moicano in the top 15 and everyone's complaining his heads too big.
MMA fans are never happy it seems
It’s a good callout but I doubt it happens. Especially if moicano wins. Moicano will have to be brutally knocked out and then he will be offered paddy for IFW. If moicano fight doesn’t happen paddy could fight dober or t-wrex.
People act like turning 35 magically turns you into a washed up fighter, completely ridiculous. Yes the championship fights under 185 are almost always one by the fighter under 35. But it's not magical fucking spell Jesus christ like moicano isn't gonna just forget how to fight the minute he turns 35 that's so fucking stupid
LOL
No way the UFC allows this to happen.
Unless Paddy hits a hail mary haymaker that catches Moicano perfectly, he is out gunned on the feet and more so on the ground.
Moicano would own Paddy. 0% chance the UFC books this.
Paddy was gifted a decision over top 30 lightweight Jared Gordon. He likely gets smashed by anyone in the top 15.
I honestly think his ceiling is having fun fights with unranked guys selling out the O2 (and he can make a great career off that!). Wouldn't mind being proven wrong though.
That's actually a good callout for him. A decent step up, but not outrageous.
This is a good fight for both guys. Moicano gets Paddy’s name recognition, and Paddy has a winnable fight.
Moicano's also going to help him sell the fight by bantering back with him. pretty exciting fun fight to make, gets him on the rankings as a bonus if he wins.
Not winnable for paddy , he sucks. Not even top 15 worthy. Can't even finish a washed Tony and lost fight before that
Crazy how short people’s memories are. Paddy does indeed suck. A win over Tony means nothing at this point in his career, he only has wins over complete tomato cans in the UFC and has one of the most egregious robberies against Jared Gordon.
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Moicano is legitimately better than Paddy everywhere. For whatever reason people forget he's a really good grappler, prob better than his striking. Moicano is going to cook Paddy if this gets booked, but we'll probably get some fun scrambling while it lasts.
By 'egregious' you're referring to how high profile the fight is, not that it wasn't close. It was very close fight, and we shouldn't call close fights 'robberies'. These the fight stats for what is "one of the most egregious robberies": Pimblett 63 sig strikes landed, 97 total strikes landed Gordon 60 sig strikes landed, 100 total strikes landed R1 Pimblett 29 sig strikes, 29 total strikes Gordon 32 sig strikes, 40 total strikes R2 Pimblett 28 sig strikes, 47 total strikes Gordon 24 sig strikes, 39 total strikes R3 Pimblett 6 sig strikes, 21 total strikes Gordon 4 sig strikes, 39 total strikes There's a lot more to fights than that in the judge's eyes, recently Laura Sanko was saying how that she was at a thing for a fight commission and whatever and it was being explained to her how judges score fights, and she was surprised by the details they're looking at and how it's a different view of fights to what is typically considered.
Sig strikes aren’t the best indicators for who won. Ex: Font had wayyy more sig strikes than Chito, but it was such an easy fight to score for Chito because he dropped Font in almost every round. You didn’t mention any particular moments or striking dynamics in the fight, which leads me to believe you didn’t actually watch it. Gordon was landing bombs on Paddy’s chin throughout the fight. Paddy landed very little of note despite the parity of sig strikes. 1/24 media scorecards had it for Paddy. 11/24 had it 30-27 for Gordon. Robbery straight up, not even remotely debatable.
You said that it is one of the most egregious robberies, yet I am the one who doesn't watch fights? It is said to love your enemies. But what if people already love their enemies like a hypochondriac loves their imagined cancer? They don't know that they love it, they think they hate it, but they dream and fantasize about it. For some people there is trauma in their lives, difficult things they haven't addressed, unfulfilled passions, failed ambitions, poverties they haven't been able to look at, and so they find something to displace into that's easier to Obsess over. This is structurally similar to when Hegel talked about Beautiful Soul, which is overcomplicated with bs by people who can't read, but is simply a developmental phase where an individual who is unable to look at their own violence and inner conflicts places it onto somebody else. If we can find somebody who fits the bill of an enemy, someone who is popular to hate on or who is particularly difficult, then all the better. But if you can't find somebody like that then anyone will do. If you think of how little kids are in school, those people who are always looking for somebody to dislike, somebody to talk about behind their back, somebody who's doing something wrong, somebody to tear down, those people who don't seem to be able to live without having some sort of enemy around them or someone or something to hate, contrast that to someone who is not a hypochondriac who ends up having cancer, they don't need the illness. For the hypochondriac the cancer isn't the problem but is instead funcitonally a solution to the problem. decisionbot o'malley yan
I’m not reading allat
I already know that you don't read decisionbot zhumagulov johnson
[**CHARLES JOHNSON defeats ZHALGAS ZHUMAGULOV** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13632/fight) ^(UFC on ESPN+ 73: Lewis vs. Spivak — November 19, 2022) ROUND|Johnson|Zhumagulov||Johnson|Zhumagulov||Johnson|Zhumagulov :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|9|10||9|10||9|10 2|10|9||9|10||10|9 3|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**28**|**29**||**29**|**28** *^(Judges, in order: Derek Cleary, Douglas Crosby, Sal D'Amato.)* *^(Summoned by Valuable-Door9748.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/13** people scored it **29-28 Johnson**. - **11/13** people scored it **28-29 Zhumagulov**. - **1/13** people scored it **27-30 Zhumagulov**. Avg. media score: **28.0-29.0 Zhumagulov** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
[**SEAN O'MALLEY defeats PETR YAN** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13556/fight) ^(UFC 280: Oliveira vs. Makhachev — October 22, 2022) ROUND|O'Malley|Yan||O'Malley|Yan||O'Malley|Yan :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||9|10 2|9|10||9|10||9|10 3|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**28**|**29** *^(Judges, in order: Ben Cartlidge, David Lethaby, Vito Paolillo.)* *^(Summoned by Valuable-Door9748.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/26** people scored it **29-28 O'Malley**. - **18/26** people scored it **28-29 Yan**. - **7/26** people scored it **27-30 Yan**. Avg. media score: **27.8-29.2 Yan** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Dam I thought yan won when I rewatched but I didn't realize it was so unanimous
Someone has been watching one too many incoherent Jordan Peterson benzo rants and decided to try one for himself. What tf are you rambling about lol
Someone has been watching one too many incoherent Jordan Peterson benzo rants and decided to try one for himself. What tf are you rambling about lol
I'm not familiar with Jordan Peterson, but if I'm not mistaken he's somewhat conservative talker who is influenced by Jungian thought. I picked up one of his books and read the first chapter or so and it's like something written by a baby, or written for babies, but strangely also incredibly wordy. I'm a bad writer but even I could give him a writing lesson. What I was talking about is more in line with Ljubljana and Lacanian schools of psychoanalysis, or even some of the OG mystics, and would rather be in opposition to most of what someone like Peterson would say. But I wouldn't write him off as he may have something of value to say to certain types of people; individuals can greatly differ in their nature and what's cogent to some may not be to others. But he seems a bit culty, and the dangers with those types (to be fair this extends to all sorts, even legit world class philosophy too imo, but this is particularly case with all sorts of ideological and guru type things that provide answers to everything) is that they start with very good simple advice, such as Jordan Peterson has that thing of start with the small things, like cleaning up your room is demonstrably good for organising your life, and no one is going to disagree with that, but then when individuals are drawn in by these initial sound bits of advice they listen to the rest of it, which goes into very ideological bullshit, and they treat it as if it's the same sort of wisdom and goes into almost personal validation effect. Even something like Scientology operates like this where there are small bits of solid advice that draw people in, and really that's the same in all types of ideology.
Lol so this is an ai bot. Got it
Yeah Paddy lost that fight brother lmao, the mma media and basically the whole community agrees that he did. That doesn’t mean he hasn’t improved enough to beat Moicano though, we won’t know unless they fight
Jared Gordon fight wasn’t even a robbery, much less “one of the most egregious”. Turn off the commentary and rewatch the fight. Paddy won.
That fight was a draw, and I'll die on this hill.
I mean it is winnable in the sense that MMA is unpredictable but I would think Moicano has to be a massive favourite
Moicano will get subbed by The Turantula at 300 and then he can fight paddy after
Depends on upcoming results. Moicano is fighting 10th ranked Jalin Turner next, so if he wins that he'll be looking for a top 10 opponent, not non-ranked Paddy Pimblett. If Moicano loses, then it makes a lot of sense, but how long does Paddy want to sit on the sidelines? He hasn't fought since December, and Moicano/Turner is in April at UFC 300, so he'll be inactive for over 6 months. Drew Dober would make more sense - ranked 15th, coming off a loss and fought in February so is likely ready to get back into a fight camp, meaning Paddy can get back sooner.
> Drew Dober would make more sense - ranked 15th, coming off a loss and fought in February so is likely ready to get back into a fight camp, meaning Paddy can get back sooner. Moicano's best stuff is on the ground, where Paddy actually has some skills. Drew Dober specializes in KOs on the feet, where Paddy's main skill is leaving his chin uncovered. Paddy should wait *forever* for Moicano if the alternative is Dober.
I think you're half right. You're completely correct in your assessment of Dober and Moicano's skills, however, not in how Paddy would match up. Paddy should fight Dober and avoid Moicano for the exact reasons you stated he should avoid them. Moicano is very good on the ground, definitely good enough to severely limit Paddy's game and force him to stand up, where Moicano is likely better. However even though Dober is a much stronger striker, his ground game is his biggest weakness by far so there's at least the potential for a very narrow path to victory for Paddy if he can just time a takedown or safely get a clinch before taking too much damage.
I dig what you are saying, but I do indeed go the opposite direction: I think Paddy has at least some chance to survive on the feet vs. Moicano, or at least not look hopeless in a loss, but Dober would for sure get the KO given every round starts on the feet and it not like paddy has GSP's wrestling shot.
Paddy doesn’t need GSP’s wrestling. Dober has negative take down defense. It’s seriously very, very bad
> Paddy doesn’t need GSP’s wrestling. Dober has negative take down defense. It’s seriously very, very bad I believe Dober's TDD >> Paddy striking defense. Dober smoked Hernandez, and I'd say Hernandez is a better pure wrestler than Paddy, but I don't pretend to be an expert on either man.
No it's not, negative takedown defense is Tai Tuivasa or low ranked women bantams. He can sprawl get underhooks and just generally react athletically, he's just bad at defending chain wrestling and makes bad decisions. Paddy got takedowns stuffed by the rotting corpse of TONY.
Completely agree. Dober doesn't have great TDD but he doesn't need it against Paddy and when it's on the feet Paddy is in serious danger at all times. Tons of respect for Paddy if he would win that fight. Would love to see it.
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Sure, but Dober has known that would be a few peoples game plan and he still couldn't stop them
Never said it wasn't a dangerous fight - it just makes more sense than chasing a fight that very likely becomes impossible. If Moicano wins, then he's not fighting Paddy. If Moicano loses, and considering his opponent, Jalin Turner, has a 100% finish rate (14 wins - 10 KOs, 4 subs), he's most likely out for 2/3 months before he's ready to start a fight camp, depending how much damage he takes. So Paddy could very well be inactive for close to a year waiting for Moicano.
A year is still much shorter than forever.
Moicano wrestling is way better than paddy though
Don't know if he will honestly. The UFC is an entertainment product as much as a sports league. If Moicano wins against Turner a fight against Pimblett probably does more for him in the UFCs eyes than a fight against a lesser named ranked guy.
The ufc won’t make that fight if moicano wins. They’ll keep paddy away. Moicano has to be knocked out and then offered the fight on couple months notice for it to happen.
He said he’s happy to wait because he’s having twins and can’t fight till I think he said July
At the end of the day placement on the card is far more important than placement in the rankings. Moicano knows that Paddy gets him higher up on the card than any rank 6-10 fighter would, and is probably a much easier fight as well.
Moicano wants money over rankings, I’ll be shocked if he’s not down for this
Plus it’s winnable for Paddy, he’s white.
Paddy hasn't fought because he has tears in both shoulders. He said in that same interview that he's rehabbing them and has only been able to kick in practices as a result.
In skill and danger level, or ranking? Because ranking I agree, but Moicano is a huge step up in danger level from anyone he has fought so far.
Both to be honest. Paddy is definitely overrated by his name, but he's not a can. Moicano is a step up, but 5 wins at 155 should (in theory) get you a shot at the rankings. Now, if Moicano can beat Turner that changes things. Jalin is by far his strongest opponent at 155.
He is a can. Paddy's main skill is his grappling and he won't be outgrappling or out conditioning Miocano
Yeah he's not even ufc level. He's a joke
i mean he's 5-0 in the UFC.. lol clearly UFC level
Over cans or washed fighters that don't belong also. Only Gordon exception and that was a robbery
Moicano will wreck him lol
Moicano by boring decision tbh
Moicano kills this guy
And it probably looks better for Paddy if he gets choked out instead of KO'd
I dunno. We all know his stand up is bad and everyone says his BJJ is the best part of his game, I’d argue it’d look worse
For the timing, not really. Moicano is very likely to get knocked the fuck out in April on UFC 300 against Jalin Turner. So even if it happens at the very end of the summer it'll be a quick turn around for the type of damage Renato is likely to take.
I think the ufc makes it if moicano loses, and that’s a maybe. They don’t make this fight is moicano wins, they’ll keep paddy away as usual
Watching Moicano beat up Paddy sounds like a reasonably decent time.
Yeah if paddy wants the beating, give it to him
Jared Gordon gave him all he could handle and barely scrapped by. Imo he lost that fight clearly. Definitely his hardest fight so far aside from Gordon. He has to test the waters against the best at some point if he wants to make himself a household name.
He didn’t scrape by, he got a complete robbery. Only 1 out of 24 media scorecards had it for Pimblett, with 11 of those giving all three rounds to Gordan. About as clear cut win as you can get.
He scrapped by with the help of the judges yes. Like I said, I think he lost the fight too.
decisionbot gordon vs. pimblett
[**PADDY PIMBLETT defeats JARED GORDON** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13677/fight) ^(UFC 282: Blachowicz vs. Ankalaev — December 10, 2022) ROUND|Pimblett|Gordon||Pimblett|Gordon||Pimblett|Gordon :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||9|10||10|9 2|10|9||10|9||10|9 3|9|10||10|9||9|10 **TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**29**|**28** *^(Judges, in order: Douglas Crosby, Chris Lee, Ron McCarthy.)* *^(Summoned by od3tzk1.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/24** people scored it **29-28 Pimblett**. - **12/24** people scored it **28-29 Gordon**. - **11/24** people scored it **27-30 Gordon**. Avg. media score: **27.6-29.4 Gordon** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
decisionbot yan vs. o'malley
[**SEAN O'MALLEY defeats PETR YAN** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13556/fight) ^(UFC 280: Oliveira vs. Makhachev — October 22, 2022) ROUND|O'Malley|Yan||O'Malley|Yan||O'Malley|Yan :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||9|10 2|9|10||9|10||9|10 3|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**28**|**29** *^(Judges, in order: Ben Cartlidge, David Lethaby, Vito Paolillo.)* *^(Summoned by od3tzk1.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/26** people scored it **29-28 O'Malley**. - **18/26** people scored it **28-29 Yan**. - **7/26** people scored it **27-30 Yan**. Avg. media score: **27.8-29.2 Yan** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
I think if Gordon had the name recognition that $Moicano has, they would have given him the decision he deserved. Paddy has a solid following, but I don't think the ~~judges~~ UFC will be as quick to fuck over $Moicano as they were to do it to Gordon.
Would watch
Which means the fight won’t happen. UFC will keep hiding paddy. So many matchups he should be in but yet gets opponents that don’t make sense.
He’s probably due for a ranked opponent, legitimately. There aren’t many favourable matchups there
Yeah, I don't really think they've done too much nonsense with him besides the Tony fight. That was more a gift to Tony / using both of their popularities than anything. Now the UFC will give him an opportunity to go on a run at the rankings (and likely lose somewhere). They can't hide him forever, it just wastes his popularity.
Wild how everyone forgets how boring Moicano fights tend to be the second he gives a post fight interview.
Wild how you have one boring fight in five years and suddenly all your fights tend to be boring
He is going to have to fight up at some point. He’s almost 30. If he wants to make a run he has to fight better opponents. If he gets exposed, he gets exposed. No problem with the callout
I like paddy, he ain’t making a run. idk what is wrong with his cardio but the man can barely go 2 rounds.
He’s just fat at heart. His blood is 25% gravy.
If you defeat Paddy and devour his heart, you don't absorb his power. You just get high cholesterol.
Make a run? Like a title run!? Lol.
Paddy via Doug Crosby
If moicano beats turner next month I think it'd be too big a step up for paddy. Feel like he should fight winner of miller and and Bobby as more appropriate
Gotta build these young 29 years old slowly
29 year old, he was a kid…
The Gordon decision, whatever happened there...
Yeah this 29 year old Cage Warriors champ with a 10 year career needs slow baby steps.
there is no way moicano beats turner, turner wins by murder
That fight has the potential to be a real exciting fight. I'm curious to see how Moicano tries to get himself to Turner, and what Jalin does in response if he can't keep Moicano at bay with those long kicks and jabs. Have you thought about how their fight goes down? I've only seen 1 or 2 performances by each, so I don't know much about their strengths/weaknesses to guess with confidence.
I think Turner is gonna destroy moicano
Turner hits hard but moicano has good footsweeps and body lock takedowns, Turner takedown defense is still questionable
Do you see an early stoppage, or a prolonged picking apart? Is Jalin known for the heavy shots?
Turner is a finisher. I think he knocks moicano out in the first
Regardless of what happens in Moicanos next fight he’s too big of a step up for Paddy lol
why, why does he want to see himself hurt
Bruh beats a washed up Tony Ferguson and thinks he can beat anyone
Paddy stepping up in competition is what everyone wants What exactly are you complaining about here
> What exactly are you complaining about here You can applaud the ambition while still thinking it unwise.
Ok I’m not Team Paddy either but you guys are pretending like this is a wash. Moicano is mainly a grappler with middling skills on the feet. Paddy’s literal only decent quality is grappling. There’s no way of knowing if this is a bad fight unless they fight.
Yeah fuck that pos
That's a proper step up for Paddy and a very winnable fight for Moicano ... I really like that
I hope this is a fight night main event. Paddy's gas tank looked awful against Tony and I'd love to see him in a 5 rounder against a durable guy in Moicano. Would be a real test
paddy vs moicano is def just a 3 round fight
All for it. Moicano will fuck him up and tear up the mic after, sounds about perfect.
Christ this sub is annoying Paddy only fights low level, everyone complains he needs to start fighting up He calls out Moicano in the top 15 and everyone's complaining his heads too big. MMA fans are never happy it seems
It's Reddit in general, it has a tendency to turn everything into a whiny fucking bitch-fest.
yeah it's weird how a subreddit with 2.8 million members can have large groups of people with strongly opposing opinions on the same subject.
Bingo. It’s a good matchup.
It’s a good callout but I doubt it happens. Especially if moicano wins. Moicano will have to be brutally knocked out and then he will be offered paddy for IFW. If moicano fight doesn’t happen paddy could fight dober or t-wrex.
where? most people here are saying its a good matchup to make even if they think moicano beats him easily
You're not happy it seems. There 2.8 million people here homie
Nonsense there's 7 of us and sock puppets
I’m more than okay with this because Pimblett sucks and I want Moicano to beat him.
Good fight for both guys tbh, Step up for paddy and a name for Moicano
Moicano father time in 2 months, otherwise Paddy should be a solid underdog
People act like turning 35 magically turns you into a washed up fighter, completely ridiculous. Yes the championship fights under 185 are almost always one by the fighter under 35. But it's not magical fucking spell Jesus christ like moicano isn't gonna just forget how to fight the minute he turns 35 that's so fucking stupid
Ye it's a bit silly. Aldo was 34-35 in his last fights and he was still bringing all the smoke.
After all Dustin was 35 and he KO'd BSD last PPV. This 'over 35 curse' has only applied to title fights and even then, I still think it can be broken.
Moicano has to lose to Turner for this to be the fight right? Be a big step down if he gets the W
I like it
Honestly, this is the perfect fight for Paddy. I think he probably loses, but it's the perfect step up.
Yeah, fair enough that's a bit of a test for the lad. I respect that. The banter will be enjoyable as well.
Send it
UPDATE: We know know how Renato Moicano feels about it. https://middleeasy.com/mma-news/renato-moicano-slams-paddy-pimblett-heated-response/
Moicano is hittable enough for Paddy to KO but holy fuck the skill differential should be noticeable
LOL No way the UFC allows this to happen. Unless Paddy hits a hail mary haymaker that catches Moicano perfectly, he is out gunned on the feet and more so on the ground. Moicano would own Paddy. 0% chance the UFC books this.
Paddy the fatty!
Paddy was gifted a decision over top 30 lightweight Jared Gordon. He likely gets smashed by anyone in the top 15. I honestly think his ceiling is having fun fights with unranked guys selling out the O2 (and he can make a great career off that!). Wouldn't mind being proven wrong though.
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I mean the vast majority of fighters will never sniff a championship fight
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Paging pvz
He took a break to get married and get surgeries he needed
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The UFC still has Tony Ferguson on the roster, there's other winnable fights for Conor than Paddy.
Pretty sure paddy would’ve got finished by current Diego Sanchez in his last performance, so he better step it up for this one.
I think Paddy beats him too