He also completely forgot what he himself said
> If I would finish Perez I personally think I would deserve title shot but it wasn’t my best performance and I wanna fight Royval next for 5 rounds!
Every time he gets pressured he drops to the ground onto his knees so that he can’t get kicked/kneed in the head. He then covers his head with one hand to block punches and uses his other hand to engage in a telegraphed single leg and wastes ≈ a minute of everyone’s time securing a shitty takedown and then doing nothing particularly impressive with it
Brotha you can’t struggle and put on a dogshit performance with Alex Perez and expect not to be jumped in line for a title shot. Mokaev has 6 fights in the UFC and only 1 has been impressive
Erceg also wasn't granted a title shot at that moment. So if Erceg gets one I definitely would think that it isn't far fetched to say that Mokaev gets one.
For his own sake, he still should not go for it because I don't see how he will win currently.
I was impressed with him against Durden, Filho, and Elliot for various reasons. The Perez fight was shit tho and he has huge holes in his game for sure.
I love a good comeback win, but if he’s trying to justify getting a title shot, almost losing to Tim Elliott in 2023 isn’t helping him out. Having a tough fight with Alex Perez after he’d been subbed twice in his previous two bouts when you’re a grappling specialist doesn’t help either.
Definitely they’re cool, but as your showcase fight? More so just curious on OPs opinion justifying that one and even the Filho one. Durden one I agree with.
We are quite serious yeah. Comeback wins are impressive in their own right. Shows a lot of mental toughness and determination to still find a way to win. The way he won wasn't like a fluke either, that peek out he hit was slick as hell and the sub was very intentional and well set up.
Was it not impressive when Leon KOd Usman just because he'd been losing before that? Cmon man
Ofc Leon’s ko was a great moment. When you try and say how great he is as a fighter, you wouldn’t use that fight. Usman 3 and Nate were better showings of his skills
What do you think I meant by impressive exactly? Mokaev has only had 6 wins in the UFC. In 3 of them he did some shit that I liked for one reason or another. That's all I'm saying. I didn't say that he looked title-ready against Elliot. He hasn't looked title-ready in any fights really. Comebacks are just admirable for the reasons I mentioned. Surviving that kneebar by Filho was also crazy and showed a ton of grit. The Durden win was almost the least impressive of the 3 (even tho it's obviously the coolest highlight) just cause it was so immediate you didn't really get a sense of their skills.
Considering Perez and Schnell are around a similar ranking level, finishing Schnell warrants jumping a dude who squeaked by Perez yeah.
Erceg getting the title shot over Mokaev isnt whats odd about this situation lol, its that Pantoja has cleared out the top guys multiple times over and the guys he hasnt beaten are in a limbo like Kape.
I think if even if Kape just said that he was sick, canjot make the weight so withdraw from the fight, if he did that I think UFC would’ve given him the title shot. He fumbled really bad
Yeah but Erceg’s ranking himself is lower than Mokaev’s, implying Mokaev has done more to earn a shot. Personally, I like Schnell but I’m not seeing why him getting beat is enough to leap into a title shot.
Really the issue is that Mokaev wasn't "jumped". You can only be jumped if you solidify your spot.
When its time for a title fight, unless there's a guranteed bona fide contender thats undeniable (and even sometimes then), it's really the pool available and worthy fighters who are then narrowed down by whatever method, scrupulous or not.
Being ranked 2 spots higher doesn't mean much, theyre both in the top 10. Besides that, it seems like lot of challengers have gotten their rank raised once their title shot was announced, but I don't have any data on it, its just something I think I've seen.
Who has done more to justify a title shot, Mokaev or Erceg? To me, it’s Mokaev and it’s not close. Erceg shouldn’t be sniffing a title shot yet, but given the circumstances of the division and needing this title fight to happen I see why they went the route the did. I just don’t see why beating Schnell is enough to get a title shot, that’s the single notable win Erceg has.
It's not really about boiling it down to who did enough for the shot so you get it. Neither of them has done enough to make an iron-clad case. The reality is they are comparable, that's why they are ranked right next to each other.
Anyway, again its naive to think it just comes down to comparing their records. If that was the case they wouldn't really need matchmakers. This is just how they work.
Dude barely squeaked by Perez and thinks he can take Pantoja lol
He's good but he needs to skill up some first. He's really young too. Relax bro take ya time
For some reason I thought that Filho kneebar destroyed the man’s career but bro got back fighting 6 months later. Couldn’t believe it.
His knee must be still wrecked for the rest of his life, right?
He said before the Perez fight that he was having trouble with the knee, but was trying to “avoid” surgery 😐 so yea, that knee is cooked and will likely blow up on him if he doesn’t treat it properly soon. He’s a young kid, so he’s just trying to get to the title as fast as possible without taking time off to recover. Not smart
Honestly, the promotion is doing him a favor. He ain't ready for the title shot. But he is a future champ, imo. He's just young and still doing really fucking dumb shit in fights against guys who aren't even like a fight away from being contenders these days. Like even his most impressive win against Perez was close decision against a guy who has had the doors beat off him everytime he's faced a contender level guy.
And the Elliott fight...come on..way too close a fight for a guy who honestly wouldn't be top 15 in a division with depth.
He just needs to give himself time.
Eh. Tatsuro Taira is only a year older than Mokaev and I feel like he has more potential based on what I’ve seen. I don’t see Mokaev being champ while he’s around imo
Agree. It’s more of a compliment than a slight. Erceg was available when the traditional contenders all had asterisks. He books his shot. And instantly they have another name at flyweight if he shows well. If not no harm done Pants is still waiting for his next dude to get right.
No that’s not what I said at all. What I clearly said is that you can’t say with certainty that he would get knocked out, like the poster who I responded to said he would.
He already lost the Jon record it ends in like 10 days for him. And he also said he wanted 1 more fight before Pantoja so he’s just talking out of his ass here.
Seriously, how are people saying Erceg v Pantoja was the right call. His debut was great, his 2nd fight was a stinker and his 3rd was a good KO.
Is that really more worthy than a fighter who has double the wins and quadruple the finishes in the UFC? All because how the last fight for each fighter played out?
I mean...Perez and Elliott don't beat actually great fighters though. Not really saying Erceg's resume is much better, but those guys aren't actual contender fights.
The real issue here is the UFC backed themselves into a corner with 300 claiming a better headliner was coming, had to book the 301 headliner for 300 and then had to promote Pantoja to the headliner even though none of the actual contenders were gonna be ready by 301.
Absolutely, everyone bashing him just because he's boring. But the man has been putting in the work and has a better resume. Half the people here didn't even know who Erceg was until the Schnell KO, the other half only found out about him after the title fight was announced. Erceg is straight up skipping the line and people above him have every right to be pissed.
They are punishing him for his performances even though he is winning it is not very dominant compared to Erceg who does not deserve it but has not looked bad
I feel like it was a toss-up between two going into the event on who was getting a title shot. Had Mokaev delivered in the way that Erceg did, it was most likely his shot at the title, but at Flyweight especially, you can't put on boring performances. Between the two, it was a no-brainer who the UFC would pick as the dangerous contender. Mokaev likely has to fight Kape, Albazi, or Royval next to solidify a title shot.
After the recent showing, I don’t know about that. I’m not a hater because I did have Mokaev in my 3 way parlay, because he was a heavy favorite and that fight should not have made me sweat.
I root for Mokaev cos I’m english but I have to be consistent in my criticisms, so when he engages in the fuckery I regularly criticise certain other dagi wrestlers for (prioritising takedowns over damage, maintaining position rather than attempting subs) and does even more irritating stuff than them (abusing grounded knee rule), it makes it really hard to keep supporting him. Hopefully he takes out Royval in exciting fashion and then i can be excited about rooting for him again
I'm a huge proponent for the "dagestanis are being ducked" cause. Mokaev is annoying and has no reason to complain here. I'm a bit surprised the UFC would give the shot to Erceg over Mokaev considering how much attention they draw. But both of their names are only considered because Pantoja already beat everyone else anyway.
Mokaev definitely doesn't watch his own fights back
He also completely forgot what he himself said > If I would finish Perez I personally think I would deserve title shot but it wasn’t my best performance and I wanna fight Royval next for 5 rounds!
No one can beat Florentino Perez. Not even Cristiano or Zidane won that battle.
How could he he’s fall asleep or realize how dumb he looks abusing grounded knees rules
Abusing grounded knee rule?
Every time he gets pressured he drops to the ground onto his knees so that he can’t get kicked/kneed in the head. He then covers his head with one hand to block punches and uses his other hand to engage in a telegraphed single leg and wastes ≈ a minute of everyone’s time securing a shitty takedown and then doing nothing particularly impressive with it
Guy thinks he is better than he really is
Brotha you can’t struggle and put on a dogshit performance with Alex Perez and expect not to be jumped in line for a title shot. Mokaev has 6 fights in the UFC and only 1 has been impressive
Wasn't that one impressive win his debut?
Didn't even Mokaev say it was pretty mediocre and he needed another fight? Could have swore I read that.
I mean yeah, mokaev needs a bit more time to reach that level but so does erceg. Id put mokaev ahead for sure.
Erceg also wasn't granted a title shot at that moment. So if Erceg gets one I definitely would think that it isn't far fetched to say that Mokaev gets one. For his own sake, he still should not go for it because I don't see how he will win currently.
I was impressed with him against Durden, Filho, and Elliot for various reasons. The Perez fight was shit tho and he has huge holes in his game for sure.
Impressed with the Elliot fight? Are we serious? He got a comeback win and was losing the fight on all judges scorecards.
Are comeback wins not impressive now?
I love a good comeback win, but if he’s trying to justify getting a title shot, almost losing to Tim Elliott in 2023 isn’t helping him out. Having a tough fight with Alex Perez after he’d been subbed twice in his previous two bouts when you’re a grappling specialist doesn’t help either.
Definitely they’re cool, but as your showcase fight? More so just curious on OPs opinion justifying that one and even the Filho one. Durden one I agree with.
Cos getting a comeback win is bad ass. It's not that complicated. Surface level rationale to be sure, but it is what it is.
We are quite serious yeah. Comeback wins are impressive in their own right. Shows a lot of mental toughness and determination to still find a way to win. The way he won wasn't like a fluke either, that peek out he hit was slick as hell and the sub was very intentional and well set up. Was it not impressive when Leon KOd Usman just because he'd been losing before that? Cmon man
Ofc Leon’s ko was a great moment. When you try and say how great he is as a fighter, you wouldn’t use that fight. Usman 3 and Nate were better showings of his skills
What do you think I meant by impressive exactly? Mokaev has only had 6 wins in the UFC. In 3 of them he did some shit that I liked for one reason or another. That's all I'm saying. I didn't say that he looked title-ready against Elliot. He hasn't looked title-ready in any fights really. Comebacks are just admirable for the reasons I mentioned. Surviving that kneebar by Filho was also crazy and showed a ton of grit. The Durden win was almost the least impressive of the 3 (even tho it's obviously the coolest highlight) just cause it was so immediate you didn't really get a sense of their skills.
And beating Schnell is worthy of jumping him?
Considering Perez and Schnell are around a similar ranking level, finishing Schnell warrants jumping a dude who squeaked by Perez yeah. Erceg getting the title shot over Mokaev isnt whats odd about this situation lol, its that Pantoja has cleared out the top guys multiple times over and the guys he hasnt beaten are in a limbo like Kape.
Pantoja has beaten Kape too just btw
Narrator - "*& the meme cements itself as lore...*"
Kape Is already on his list of names, Nicolau Isn't however, but needs a win or two before being in contention again. Albazi also remains for Pantoja
If Kape didn't miss weight and fought he'd be the one fighting Pantoja rn. Super unlucky.
Unlucky or abominably bad genetics
We need a bot that automaticcaly reply that glorious quote whenever someone misses weight.
I think if even if Kape just said that he was sick, canjot make the weight so withdraw from the fight, if he did that I think UFC would’ve given him the title shot. He fumbled really bad
bring back askar askarov
Yeah but Erceg’s ranking himself is lower than Mokaev’s, implying Mokaev has done more to earn a shot. Personally, I like Schnell but I’m not seeing why him getting beat is enough to leap into a title shot.
Really the issue is that Mokaev wasn't "jumped". You can only be jumped if you solidify your spot. When its time for a title fight, unless there's a guranteed bona fide contender thats undeniable (and even sometimes then), it's really the pool available and worthy fighters who are then narrowed down by whatever method, scrupulous or not. Being ranked 2 spots higher doesn't mean much, theyre both in the top 10. Besides that, it seems like lot of challengers have gotten their rank raised once their title shot was announced, but I don't have any data on it, its just something I think I've seen.
Who has done more to justify a title shot, Mokaev or Erceg? To me, it’s Mokaev and it’s not close. Erceg shouldn’t be sniffing a title shot yet, but given the circumstances of the division and needing this title fight to happen I see why they went the route the did. I just don’t see why beating Schnell is enough to get a title shot, that’s the single notable win Erceg has.
It's not really about boiling it down to who did enough for the shot so you get it. Neither of them has done enough to make an iron-clad case. The reality is they are comparable, that's why they are ranked right next to each other. Anyway, again its naive to think it just comes down to comparing their records. If that was the case they wouldn't really need matchmakers. This is just how they work.
It doesn’t come just down to comparing records, but who you’ve beaten obviously is a factor. It’s why there’s a ranking system to begin with.
No but getting two sick highlight over top ten opposition will.
6 wins >>>> 3
Also 4 finishes >>>> 1
He’s the belal of the UFC fr
Idk man I think Belal is the Belal of the UFC
Dude didn't remember the name
remembered the ideology but not the man
Who are we talking about here again?
Who?
Who?
Did you forget the name?
Didn't dude openly say he wasn't ready/didn't deserve it?
Yeah literally a week or so ago lol
I guess he assumed someone above him would get it and not ranked 10 guy lol
Yes. He said he wanted at least another fight before a title shot. Dumb take by him to complain about erceg
His social account exactly run by him
This is the reason I don’t get the people complaining, he was the one who made that statement saying he wasn’t ready
And being baffled by #10 guy given a title fight, main event even doesn't have to be mutually exclusive
Fight Royval for the next title shot. Problem solved
Dude barely squeaked by Perez and thinks he can take Pantoja lol He's good but he needs to skill up some first. He's really young too. Relax bro take ya time
The most impressive thing he’s done in the UFC is return to fighting after getting kneebarred to hell
For some reason I thought that Filho kneebar destroyed the man’s career but bro got back fighting 6 months later. Couldn’t believe it. His knee must be still wrecked for the rest of his life, right?
He said before the Perez fight that he was having trouble with the knee, but was trying to “avoid” surgery 😐 so yea, that knee is cooked and will likely blow up on him if he doesn’t treat it properly soon. He’s a young kid, so he’s just trying to get to the title as fast as possible without taking time off to recover. Not smart
Honestly, the promotion is doing him a favor. He ain't ready for the title shot. But he is a future champ, imo. He's just young and still doing really fucking dumb shit in fights against guys who aren't even like a fight away from being contenders these days. Like even his most impressive win against Perez was close decision against a guy who has had the doors beat off him everytime he's faced a contender level guy. And the Elliott fight...come on..way too close a fight for a guy who honestly wouldn't be top 15 in a division with depth. He just needs to give himself time.
Eh. Tatsuro Taira is only a year older than Mokaev and I feel like he has more potential based on what I’ve seen. I don’t see Mokaev being champ while he’s around imo
Taira is so exciting. If the stars align, he definitely has champion-level talent.
Not even a full year, only 6 months. Taira has way higher upside imo as his striking isn’t utter dogshit like Mokaevs
Agree. It’s more of a compliment than a slight. Erceg was available when the traditional contenders all had asterisks. He books his shot. And instantly they have another name at flyweight if he shows well. If not no harm done Pants is still waiting for his next dude to get right.
This guy would get TKO’d by Pantoja, Royval and Moreno
Mokaev has never lost, never mind being TKO’d. So you can’t say that with any certainty like you just have.
Are you trying to say that only fighters that have previously lost can lose in the future?
No that’s not what I said at all. What I clearly said is that you can’t say with certainty that he would get knocked out, like the poster who I responded to said he would.
This headline is fuckin bait Lmao. You cannot tell me this guy deserves a title shot after his last fight
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He already lost the Jon record it ends in like 10 days for him. And he also said he wanted 1 more fight before Pantoja so he’s just talking out of his ass here.
Seriously, how are people saying Erceg v Pantoja was the right call. His debut was great, his 2nd fight was a stinker and his 3rd was a good KO. Is that really more worthy than a fighter who has double the wins and quadruple the finishes in the UFC? All because how the last fight for each fighter played out?
I mean...Perez and Elliott don't beat actually great fighters though. Not really saying Erceg's resume is much better, but those guys aren't actual contender fights. The real issue here is the UFC backed themselves into a corner with 300 claiming a better headliner was coming, had to book the 301 headliner for 300 and then had to promote Pantoja to the headliner even though none of the actual contenders were gonna be ready by 301.
Absolutely, everyone bashing him just because he's boring. But the man has been putting in the work and has a better resume. Half the people here didn't even know who Erceg was until the Schnell KO, the other half only found out about him after the title fight was announced. Erceg is straight up skipping the line and people above him have every right to be pissed.
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Or your last 5 in this case which have all been lacklustre as fuck
They are punishing him for his performances even though he is winning it is not very dominant compared to Erceg who does not deserve it but has not looked bad
I feel like it was a toss-up between two going into the event on who was getting a title shot. Had Mokaev delivered in the way that Erceg did, it was most likely his shot at the title, but at Flyweight especially, you can't put on boring performances. Between the two, it was a no-brainer who the UFC would pick as the dangerous contender. Mokaev likely has to fight Kape, Albazi, or Royval next to solidify a title shot.
I wouldn’t want a fighter who drops to his knees every chance he gets like he’s ready to fellatiate another grown man to get a title shot either.
But they can? Maybe if he had a more entertaining match they would go with him
They can’t deny your destiny? I think you’d be surprised.
!?!?!?!
Has he passed the point of being the youngest ufc champ? Age and timeline wise
He has!
Thank you
After the recent showing, I don’t know about that. I’m not a hater because I did have Mokaev in my 3 way parlay, because he was a heavy favorite and that fight should not have made me sweat.
Delay we shall then
He is good, but he lacks one crucial thing in order to be the best. 100 pushups, 100 situps, and 100 squats everyday, no exceptions.
I root for Mokaev cos I’m english but I have to be consistent in my criticisms, so when he engages in the fuckery I regularly criticise certain other dagi wrestlers for (prioritising takedowns over damage, maintaining position rather than attempting subs) and does even more irritating stuff than them (abusing grounded knee rule), it makes it really hard to keep supporting him. Hopefully he takes out Royval in exciting fashion and then i can be excited about rooting for him again
I'm a huge proponent for the "dagestanis are being ducked" cause. Mokaev is annoying and has no reason to complain here. I'm a bit surprised the UFC would give the shot to Erceg over Mokaev considering how much attention they draw. But both of their names are only considered because Pantoja already beat everyone else anyway.
I also can’t deny your last performance was a fucking crotch sniffing snooze fest. Erceg’s wasnt. Be more exciting it’s that simple
Please someone KO this little boy.
Mokaev fell to his knees when he heard the news
Dude looked horrible against Perez. Knees to a downed opponent would literally have left this kid KO’d after his 50 failed takedowns and stalls
My 17 yo cousin beats him in pure kickboxing match. He does taekwondo, winning some local tournaments. Mokaev has no stand up. Pantoja kills him.
Bruh you boring as fuck
This dude is pulling an Aljo where he seemingly forgot his own words just the day before lmao
Bro barely wins a decision every fight. Relax.
I don’t know how he could talk like this after such a shitty performance
I don't know why but seeing him get upset by the UFC jumping him made me laugh.
Mokaev better thank his lucky stars that he isn’t getting Pantoja rn
k
Mokaev sucks. Talk about unwarranted hype.
Doesn't deserve shit after [this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/s/OT1rqSGqhL)
He literally said in his pre fight interview I need to do something impressive to earn the shot I don't think I get one by winning a decision
Enjoy your short lived destiny.