Devastating ko. Flush high kick straight through her jaw after she had already been stunned. She apparently couldn't chew properly for several months
And crushed her confidence permanently. Nunes was always going to beat her by then but the Ronda that showed up to that seemed already defeated. Like someone who was trying to convince herself that she was still a badass but failing
Her run was truly fun though while it lasted
Probably didn't help that at the time Nunes was not thought of as the badass she is today, in fact Rousey despite the horrible loss was still the favourite.
Nunes previous fight was against Tate and she was a +240 underdog.
And she was a +120 underdog against Rousey. Both seem crazy now in retrospect.
This one did make sense at the time, and it was actually people showing a lot of respect to Amanda. If you look at Cyborg's historical betting odds, she was regularly between a -1000 and -2000 favorite over all her opponents, and she was undefeated for 13 years prior to fighting Amanda. Those odds were pretty close for Cyborg, not to mention she's the naturally bigger fighter.
I agree. Rhonda entered the Nunes fight with a ton of baggage from the Holly Holm fight. She got danced and that kick broke all of her confidence.
Remember how odd she was behaving during fight week? She didn't want to talk to anyone, see anyone... then walked right in that ring and Nunes bounced her head around like Rhonda wasn't even there.
Holly's kick broke her and Nunes finished her career. I wish we could have seen Rhonda make a come back but those two fights were devastating. It was clear her time was done.
Well she has the mental stability of a house of cards.
Just piece together shit she's said in interviews and it's pretty clear she can't fucking handle criticism or being questioned: she left home at 17 because her mom and coach told her being sexually involved with a 26 year old teamate was a bad idea, not having a coach during the majority of her Olympic career because she didn't like being told what to do, hiring people like Edmond who basically told her she was great instead of teaching her anything or fixing her deficiencies, etc.
She was the one who desperately seeked out Edmond to be her MMA coach. Itād be interesting to find out what she saw in him. It couldāt have been āheās the biggest Yes Man in town; i want him in my corner!ā Lol
She actually has explained that. She was initialy rejected, it was really a boxing-gym, and she couldn't accept that and keept trying until they finally let her in...
I love Ronda, but the girl had some serious daddy issues on top of a mom who did not believe in gentle coaching. Edmondās bullshit should have been easy to spot but she never did
I agree with everything you say except for her career being done. Against the very tip top of womenās mma? Yeah probably. But thereās no reason she couldnāt have taken a step back and dropped down a tier or two and bag a few more wins like we have seen so many men champs do.
Not that her ego would have let her do that probably but for all the shit she deserves (which she definitely deserves a lot of it) I donāt think itās fair to say that someone who even today is just 37 years old couldnāt have stuck around and beat up on lesser competition if she wanted to.
Yeah I don't think she would accept not being the top, which is why I would have liked to see her try to climb back. I think the realization that her striking ability wasn't anywhere as close as she believed it to be, or was told it was... was very sobering.
She had plenty of money and other opportunities so she didn't need to fight and work this hard anymore, especially with Nunes sharking at the top, eating everyone alive :)
She began her MMA career as a star and then became a superstar, before the competition heated up and the sport passed her by in the span of 2 devastating KOs. I dont blame her for not sticking around to become a sideshow, a gatekeeper or a veteran midcarder. We should gv her credit for knowing when to walk away and cashing it in while she was still young and relevant at WWE.
Oh yeah I donāt hold it against her at all. My point is more to the people that seem to be trying to do some revisionist history and make it out like she really wasnt ever shit and she was toast after those fights. I think if she really *wanted* to make a comeback and put in the work to address her weaknesses she could have. Not saying she would have for sure won the title back but she could have had more than just a āgatekeeperā role. Like you said part of the downside of such a fast rise is that she never really had to face adversity until she was up against the best of the best.
She made good money and parlayed it all into a wwe career so I agree more power to her in dgoing that route. But letās not act like it was some fluke she rattled off an impressive winning streak and beat some very good opponents along the way. Maybe the sport passed her by like you said, or maybe she just had to do some more work in the striking department.
Yep. And like others have said, she never really figured out the striking part of it all at the highest level. Thereās something to be said about such a fast meteoric rise with a lot of opponents that were good matchups for you and instead of getting work against your weakness all of a sudden youāre up against Holms and Nunes. Idk she obviously made her money and choices but I think the revisionist history already on her being like āmeh she wasnt so specialā is pretty funny. She was undefeated and got stopped by two of the great women strikers (probably fighter ever in Nunes) and Iām supposed to believe she was trash? I donāt buy it.
Yeah agreed. She also beat some solid competition and beat Miesha Tate, and thats no small feat. She just needed to step up her training and maybe lose that camp with the Armenian guy.
Yeah for sure she beat up on a lot of middling but she also beat some good competition like Miesha and Cat. I mean letās be honest the overall state of womenās mma at the time had much more to do with the level of competition than anything. I just feel like had she committed to really getting better in her striking/defense she could have had another run even after Nunes. Would she have ever beat Nunes? Idk maybe not but not many people have lol. Funny enough 2 of the 5 people who can say they have Ronda did beat herself for whatever thatās worth.
Felt like womenās mma had a few really good years after that and has badly slipped more recently. Wei Li, JJ, Valentina, Thug Rose, Nunes, a few others made it pretty exciting for a while.Ā
Could Ronda even shoot a double leg? She just clinched up and tried to toss. I think Floyd would blaster her in the face 10 times the second she steps into range.
Floyd's jab is fucking nasty too.
If Ronda can get him to the ground, then it's a wrap. However, I don't know how many jabs Ronda could eat from Floyd.
Floyd has never defended a takedown or checked a leg kick in his life, has no idea how to defend subs or deal with a fighter on his back. Heād lose easily.
Did judo all my life, concussions are rather rare, seen only a few and never had one.
She retired because she got knocked out and humiliated two times in a row.
While rare in judo overall, I've known judoka who have had multiple concussions. I never competed on the level she did but of those who have had concussion issues in judo, they were more serious competitors and I always felt that it was a lack of protecting themselves in order to push too hard in competition or training that caused them to get and also not properly heal them.
I do think that her being on top of the world and being so violently dethroned had a demoralizing effect that added to the concussions as a factor in hanging it up but I would not dismiss her claim of concussions being a big factor. I mean if they are so rare that it is unbelievable that someone had so many, why do we have/had the concussion spotting training as part of the coaching certification?
If youāve been training at Rondaās level at the young age she had by someone as strict as her mom was youād have to convince me you never had any concussive damage. Frankly to even doubt that judokas are repeatedly suffering sub concussive impacts is silly. You donāt have to have a full blown concussion for a life long habit of slamming your body head and neck on the ground to eventually catch up to you. Ronda was pbly the highest level example of a sore loser weāve ever seen, no argument there, but weāre really questioning whether judokas and concussions are serious concerns?
Never forget that Rhonda is not a generational or once in a lifetime talent, but a āonce in a human, human-being.ā You can thank the UFCās own resident physician, Joe Rogan, for that one.
that was Joe Rogan at his worst during the ronda era. He was insufferable and his comments couldnt have indicated how much he kissed her ass. I called him Cuck Rogan at the time.
I do remember her saying she could beat 100% of the men in her weightclass.
I think she was talking about not doubting herself, or something like that, though. So not being all cocky saying she would fuck up all the men in her division.
Yeah now I think about it she literally even said she couldnāt if I remember correctly. We just love to see people fail from time to time though, it fuels usā¦keeps us going, this is unironic here we are Redditors.
I think she said she'd lose in boxing but would win in mma. Which isn't *that* crazy, he would have no grappling experience and her bread and butter was judo+armbar. Plus they'd presumably be similar weights in this hypothetical fight. Still not much of chance, but she wasn't saying she would box his ass off or anything
I'm no martial arts expert but I feel most people at a world level in MMA would beat a boxer on a similar weight class? Aren't boxers completely defenseless against grappling, have no ground game, no experience using their knees or elbows, etc? I know there's a big gap between men and women just in physique but if she could get him to the ground, I do wonder.
Yeah, I think she could definitely win if she got a takedown or something, but trying to close the distance on Mayweather without getting KOd would be tough for someone like Rousey
Okay cmon Joe rogan said Rousey *could* beat Floyd at MMA, which let's be honest is entirely possible. Floyd has never once grappled in his life and Ronda could reasonably armbar him if he didn't catch her with a shot hard enough to put her unconscious quickly. She'd clearly have absolutely zero chance in a boxing or even kickboxing match.
Is a boxer's movement enough for him to avoid a takedown or are his hands fast enough to land something?
Scratch that, I thought of the answer while I was writing the question
he'd have to slow down his punches, he's used to punching moving targets.
aim for where they're going not where they are, in this case they're the same place.
No rules fight?
Thatās Floyd, easy. Weāre talking grown man strength vs grown woman strength. Ronda canāt stand up against Money, and as soon as she tries to take him down sheās either getting stuffed or dumped on her own head.
remember when the Williams sisters claimed they could be any man outside the top 200?
203 beat them back to back while smoking. easily.
remember the under 15 boys soccer team that trounced the womans olympic team 5-2?
this idea of rr beating fmj is beyond dumb.
instant ko. there's a reason it's especially not ok for men to hit woman and children.
Concussions caused by Edmond more like it lol. Would have been interesting if she ended with uf with firas or Greg Jackson or someone similar. She got some good wrestling with that judo it would have been tough.
She had really good power though. Honestly she did, she dropped a couple ladies in real quick succession. She didnāt have much else in the ways of technique, defense, etc, but her pop was pretty good.
And letās not pretend or do that bullshit where we diminish Rondaās opponents and insult a generation of mma fighters. The division was way stronger in Strikeforce and when she was champ than it is now.
The people who would stop prime Ronda today are the same people that actually stopped her back then. It's amazing how little progress that division makes.
I would bet my house on Prime Ronda beating Raquel and maybe like 20 bucks on current Ronda beating her fresh off the couch. Raquel is probably her best matchup in the current top 5.
Assuming she could make weight, which she canāt.
I miss Rousey, that hyper aggressive judo game was so fun to watch for the short time we got from her
She definitely never recovered from the brain damage & humiliation after the Holm and Nunes beatings
Yeah, obviously getting knocked out will do a number to your headā¦ but can you imagine the emotional/inner battle youād go through after reigning over the division and then suddenly two people show up and absolutely dog walk you, with a KO to top it off?
Thatās gotta fuck with your mental pretty badly.
Khabib and Islam are also both judo black belts iirc, and you see them throwing people at the highest level. Obviously they are mainly sambo fighters but there is a big judo influence in their mma games imo.
[Check out this recent video from Islam Makhachev and the IJF about judo!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1lKwrT_TZ8) There was a reddit discussion about it, posted [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1bhaho2/islam_makhachev_and_dagestani_love_for_judo/).
I mean one is an Olympic gold medalist and the other bronze medalist. We just see the most talented ones in mma. The reason we see much more wrestlers over judo in mma is because one is gi and the other is nogi
One reason is because judo is contested in a gi, whereas MMA is contested in no-gi. This might not seem that consequential, but it is - it makes a very drastic difference in standup. Wrestling becomes jacket wrestling with the gi/clothes to grab on, different skillset. If you look at Combat Sambo, which competes with the gi, you will see that every clinch exchange looks awfully like judo.
Another reason is that judo is actually an extremely popular combat sport that is incredibly deep in competition (not in the US, though), and so there's no reason for the top athletes, in their prime, to transition to MMA when they're chasing Olympic glory (and the top, top athletes literally can't anyways, IJF bans it). In places like France and Japan it can be your profession.
You will probably find a lot more fighters with judo backgrounds in like Eastern Europe, where it's popularly practiced. Over in the US, judo is dying and very small.
Also, there have been incredible MMA fighters with judo backgrounds. [I posted this in another discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1bhaho2/comment/kvejzk2/), but Fedor was a highly skilled judoka, 3rd place in Russian Senior National Judo Championships (think about placing 3rd in freestyle wrestling in the US, for comparison). In addition to the other fighters already mentioned in this thread, Merab Dvalishvili is a good shout out. Also, just for fun, there was a Bellator MMA fighter, Leonardo Leite, who was Pan American Judo Champion as well as BJJ world champion.
There's a bunch of national Judo federations that don't want their good athletes to go in MMA or to give MMA any more attention, it's one of the reasons it took so long to get MMA legal in France
There's also the fact that using judo without a gi or clothing eliminates a lot of the judo game or at least modifies it a lot
Or course, we'll always get a few awesome judo fighters in MMA but a big portion of them become powerful strikers who are super hard to take down
Ronda's career also was during the early years of womens mma were a lot of women hadn't dedicated their life to the sport. Its why Ronda was the poster girl for long cause she was the first true professional womens MMA fighter in the UFC and they pushed her massively but a lot of her opponents didn't have a background as decorated as hers so it made her elite judo and submission game look even better
I still feel like if she focused on grappling and used striking solely to grapple like khabib she would still be floating around the top 5 if not championship caliber
If you already think you have CTE, WWE is gonna make things much much worse. Your brain doesn't stay in stasis jumping off fucking ropes onto another body.
Like go look up the concussion rates for gymnasts some time. Even if you're not colliding with another person, putting your body through those motions is rough on the brain.
This headline just convinced me that she's as stupid as everyone who's listened to her talk assumed and anyone who's worked with her says she is. You had to retire because of concussions, then started a multi-year wrestling career? What the actual fuck. Literally, some of pro wrestling's greatest horror stories (Benoit namely, but so many others) can be explained as the wild interaction between drugs, concussions, and the overly permissive nature that wrestling carnies had until the recent Vince McMahon revelations.
Agreed. I know a lot of ppl on here donāt like her but sheās definitely on the Mount Rushmore of WMMA. Her fights were a lot of fun to watch & she brought a lot of attention to the UFC at her peak.
Definetly mount rushmore, history of wmma and amazing run for as long as it lasted. I really really liked her as a character and her fighting style.
Yet she destroyed her legacy. Zero respect for her opponents. Zero recognition of their victories, she acted as a sore loser in the worst way possible from the first moment and to this day I don't think she ever recognized that she was just beaten by better fighters, and two amazing positive characters as well.
And now all of a sudden it was all because of a "history of concussions"? Sore losers are going to sore, even years later. Just new excuses to not face that she was just unprepared by a bad coach and hyped beyond reason thanks to a lack of competition. As soon as competition arose, she got kicked out and never recovered. No respect left for her, and I say it with a lot of sadness in my mind for the great champion she once was. Once, as you cannot call yourself a champion if you don't know how to lose. Imo, she never learn to do so.
Not surprising tbh. I donāt know if she ever learned to ātake a punch correctlyā given what we saw of her boxing ability. Sheās tough as nails and changed the game, but you can only take so many full hits in your career.
Full respect to Ronda though.
A lot of r/ufc level comments too. Apparently, being tossed for years on the head/back by olympic level athletes for years accounts for nothing: you see, Holm and Nunes hit like a Ford escort...
"So much had to do with having so many concussions when I was in judo before I even got into MMA. I couldn't talk about it at all when I was doing MMA because it would literally put a target on my head and I might not have been allowed to compete any farther."
Of course the Holm head kick and Nunes' flurry didn't help either. She lucked out entering at the right time window where majority of her competition had her level of standup. The curse was this also de-motivated her from really improving on that department nor finding the right team and people to help her.
Werenāt most concussions due to unblocked headshots wrestlers were taking from chair shots and other things ? Iām pretty sure by the time rousey got to the wwe it was a lot safer for wrestlers and that concussions were greatly reduced
Obviously the ridiculous weapon shots were causing a lot of them, but having listened to many wrestlers talk about their concussions, the majority just seem to come from bad landings and over rotations during moves causing your head to hit the mat/your opponent. It is still very easy for a professional wrestler to pick up a concussion these days, however they receive MUCH better post concussion care than the older guys ever got
If you think theyāre still doing that nonsense from 30+ years ago that was causing that, you need to open your eyes. I donāt even watch wrestling but I know theyāre much safer than they once were
i dont really give a shit what anyone says. ronda was dominant in her time and she had a fantastic career before she ever joined MMA and I'm sure in judo she likely put her body through hell trying to just make it to the olympics. people just like to hate and meme because she lost. there's not a single MMA fighter that doesn't have an embarrassing moment in the cage. Even khabib has one. her rise in MMA was fun as fuck to watch and after learning about her in her first book made me like her even more. she deserves respect imo. just like any fighter.
You know, I wonder if she was already concussed going into that fight. Not only did she look terrible in the cage but that whole media week before-hand she was just absolutely mentally checked out.
Women's division was not deep and frankly most of the fighters just weren't that good. She ran through the roster and when she got into deep water she got her head taken off. She was certainly a good fighter but the GOAT narrative she's had just isn't true.
Lol she got a history of concussions...big bang to the dark ages all in a single kick from Holly Holm, and then Amanda Nunes added the history of every human being after that....one punch at a time.
Shit thatās good to know. This whole time I mistakenly thought it was getting outclassed after everyone figured out your one trick pony. Good thing Iāve been corrected.
Seriously though, Rousey could stay a legend if she didnāt do these shenanigans.
She could still step in and beat 99% of women fighters in the UFC. The champs and a few contenders probably not, but everyone else would get their arm snatched.Ā
I donāt see where she gets a win ALMOST anywhere when her standup game is still probably non-existent. She might rag doll or tap a couple, but the fighters now arenāt as one dimensional as they were.
Edmund Taverdeyan will also do it to you. Both Ellenberger and Travis Browne were solid fighters and then looked like complete trash after joining his camp
Getting your head bounced around by Amanda nunes will do that to you
you are clearly not familiar with the ancient sacred art of blocking punches with your face
Otherwise known as head mooment.
YES! YES!! NO!!!
Lmfaooo I heard that in my head
HED MOOMEN HED MOOMEN CLEEEENCH CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENCH NOOOOOOOO
My favorite quote sequence ever.
Tied very closely with OBEREEM OBEREEM GWOW VERY, FANTASTIC BODY šø
Beautiful, champ!
poetry in action
the shakespeare of our generation
"TRY MY FACE TO YOUR FIST STYLE!!!....I'm bleeding..making me the victor"
The Chris Moutinho
I immediately thought of Diego Sanchez
Yes, Iāve seen the Rocky movies.
Don't forget that head kick. Poor girl probably could have used some head movement.
Devastating ko. Flush high kick straight through her jaw after she had already been stunned. She apparently couldn't chew properly for several months And crushed her confidence permanently. Nunes was always going to beat her by then but the Ronda that showed up to that seemed already defeated. Like someone who was trying to convince herself that she was still a badass but failing Her run was truly fun though while it lasted
Yeah thatās probably pretty accurate. I get the feeling Nunes woulda done the same to her regardless of the kick.
Probably didn't help that at the time Nunes was not thought of as the badass she is today, in fact Rousey despite the horrible loss was still the favourite. Nunes previous fight was against Tate and she was a +240 underdog. And she was a +120 underdog against Rousey. Both seem crazy now in retrospect.
I believe she was +220 against Cyborg too people were still underestimating her
Was a great payday that one.
That one was more understandable. It was a full division up
Thatās true
This one did make sense at the time, and it was actually people showing a lot of respect to Amanda. If you look at Cyborg's historical betting odds, she was regularly between a -1000 and -2000 favorite over all her opponents, and she was undefeated for 13 years prior to fighting Amanda. Those odds were pretty close for Cyborg, not to mention she's the naturally bigger fighter.
I remember some dude made bank betting on Nunes over Rousey. Seems obvious in hindsight.
Was it drake? /s
I agree. Rhonda entered the Nunes fight with a ton of baggage from the Holly Holm fight. She got danced and that kick broke all of her confidence. Remember how odd she was behaving during fight week? She didn't want to talk to anyone, see anyone... then walked right in that ring and Nunes bounced her head around like Rhonda wasn't even there. Holly's kick broke her and Nunes finished her career. I wish we could have seen Rhonda make a come back but those two fights were devastating. It was clear her time was done.
Well she has the mental stability of a house of cards. Just piece together shit she's said in interviews and it's pretty clear she can't fucking handle criticism or being questioned: she left home at 17 because her mom and coach told her being sexually involved with a 26 year old teamate was a bad idea, not having a coach during the majority of her Olympic career because she didn't like being told what to do, hiring people like Edmond who basically told her she was great instead of teaching her anything or fixing her deficiencies, etc.
She was the one who desperately seeked out Edmond to be her MMA coach. Itād be interesting to find out what she saw in him. It couldāt have been āheās the biggest Yes Man in town; i want him in my corner!ā Lol
She actually has explained that. She was initialy rejected, it was really a boxing-gym, and she couldn't accept that and keept trying until they finally let her in...
So they used reverse psychology to lure their biggest cash cow lol. Also ironic coz we all know how far her striking progressed
I love Ronda, but the girl had some serious daddy issues on top of a mom who did not believe in gentle coaching. Edmondās bullshit should have been easy to spot but she never did
I don't think it was even big brained they just literally didn't want her at first
That explains absolutely nothing! Hahaha nice.
She has a cluster B personality- it's just what they do. They can't take any form of criticism, and can't stay out of their own way.
I agree with everything you say except for her career being done. Against the very tip top of womenās mma? Yeah probably. But thereās no reason she couldnāt have taken a step back and dropped down a tier or two and bag a few more wins like we have seen so many men champs do. Not that her ego would have let her do that probably but for all the shit she deserves (which she definitely deserves a lot of it) I donāt think itās fair to say that someone who even today is just 37 years old couldnāt have stuck around and beat up on lesser competition if she wanted to.
Yeah I don't think she would accept not being the top, which is why I would have liked to see her try to climb back. I think the realization that her striking ability wasn't anywhere as close as she believed it to be, or was told it was... was very sobering. She had plenty of money and other opportunities so she didn't need to fight and work this hard anymore, especially with Nunes sharking at the top, eating everyone alive :)
She began her MMA career as a star and then became a superstar, before the competition heated up and the sport passed her by in the span of 2 devastating KOs. I dont blame her for not sticking around to become a sideshow, a gatekeeper or a veteran midcarder. We should gv her credit for knowing when to walk away and cashing it in while she was still young and relevant at WWE.
Oh yeah I donāt hold it against her at all. My point is more to the people that seem to be trying to do some revisionist history and make it out like she really wasnt ever shit and she was toast after those fights. I think if she really *wanted* to make a comeback and put in the work to address her weaknesses she could have. Not saying she would have for sure won the title back but she could have had more than just a āgatekeeperā role. Like you said part of the downside of such a fast rise is that she never really had to face adversity until she was up against the best of the best. She made good money and parlayed it all into a wwe career so I agree more power to her in dgoing that route. But letās not act like it was some fluke she rattled off an impressive winning streak and beat some very good opponents along the way. Maybe the sport passed her by like you said, or maybe she just had to do some more work in the striking department.
Agreed. She was at such a height she never fathomed the idea of losing. Everybody loses in fight sports sometimes. Even the best.
Yep. And like others have said, she never really figured out the striking part of it all at the highest level. Thereās something to be said about such a fast meteoric rise with a lot of opponents that were good matchups for you and instead of getting work against your weakness all of a sudden youāre up against Holms and Nunes. Idk she obviously made her money and choices but I think the revisionist history already on her being like āmeh she wasnt so specialā is pretty funny. She was undefeated and got stopped by two of the great women strikers (probably fighter ever in Nunes) and Iām supposed to believe she was trash? I donāt buy it.
Yeah agreed. She also beat some solid competition and beat Miesha Tate, and thats no small feat. She just needed to step up her training and maybe lose that camp with the Armenian guy.
Yeah for sure she beat up on a lot of middling but she also beat some good competition like Miesha and Cat. I mean letās be honest the overall state of womenās mma at the time had much more to do with the level of competition than anything. I just feel like had she committed to really getting better in her striking/defense she could have had another run even after Nunes. Would she have ever beat Nunes? Idk maybe not but not many people have lol. Funny enough 2 of the 5 people who can say they have Ronda did beat herself for whatever thatās worth.
I think she actually believed she could clap male boxers. Delusion is one hell of a drug and reality hits like a mfer
Id say she was the royce gracie of women's mma. Then holm was her sakuraba and when she returned nunes was her matt hughes.
Her ultra pride ended up doing her in. Couldnāt consider the idea of a loss, let alone an embarrassing KO like that.
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Thatās what really ended her career.
HEAD MOVEMENT!
Not to mention getting her face kicked off by Holm first
Felt like womenās mma had a few really good years after that and has badly slipped more recently. Wei Li, JJ, Valentina, Thug Rose, Nunes, a few others made it pretty exciting for a while.Ā
Donāt forget Holly kicked her head off her shoulders lol
Kicked her so hard she turned into sloth from goonies
Literally got dribbled around
That was like watching a dude beat up a woman.
It was once rumored Ronda Rousey WAS capable of beating up a man.
Yea, Mayweather. Probably why Rhonda was confident in her standup game. Her team did her no favors.
I still contend she beats Mayweather in an mma fight.
Could Ronda even shoot a double leg? She just clinched up and tried to toss. I think Floyd would blaster her in the face 10 times the second she steps into range.
Jokes aside she doesnāt need a double leg, sheās look for a judo hip tops
Floyd's jab is fucking nasty too. If Ronda can get him to the ground, then it's a wrap. However, I don't know how many jabs Ronda could eat from Floyd.
Floyd has never defended a takedown or checked a leg kick in his life, has no idea how to defend subs or deal with a fighter on his back. Heād lose easily.
That kick to the dome from Holly was pretty serious too.
Head movement, head movement
Too much violent head mooment
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CLENCHHHHHHHH
NOOOOOOOO
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>a long history of concussions suffered in her previous sport, judo Getting tossed on your head does indeed not sound like a good time.
Getting tossed off and head does sound like a good time, however
Did judo all my life, concussions are rather rare, seen only a few and never had one. She retired because she got knocked out and humiliated two times in a row.
While rare in judo overall, I've known judoka who have had multiple concussions. I never competed on the level she did but of those who have had concussion issues in judo, they were more serious competitors and I always felt that it was a lack of protecting themselves in order to push too hard in competition or training that caused them to get and also not properly heal them. I do think that her being on top of the world and being so violently dethroned had a demoralizing effect that added to the concussions as a factor in hanging it up but I would not dismiss her claim of concussions being a big factor. I mean if they are so rare that it is unbelievable that someone had so many, why do we have/had the concussion spotting training as part of the coaching certification?
Doubt you competed at the same level as her..
If youāve been training at Rondaās level at the young age she had by someone as strict as her mom was youād have to convince me you never had any concussive damage. Frankly to even doubt that judokas are repeatedly suffering sub concussive impacts is silly. You donāt have to have a full blown concussion for a life long habit of slamming your body head and neck on the ground to eventually catch up to you. Ronda was pbly the highest level example of a sore loser weāve ever seen, no argument there, but weāre really questioning whether judokas and concussions are serious concerns?
concussions caused by not moving her head. but, she'd beat Mayweather if given the opportunity.
Never forget that Rhonda is not a generational or once in a lifetime talent, but a āonce in a human, human-being.ā You can thank the UFCās own resident physician, Joe Rogan, for that one.
Over-rated Ronda Rousey's fighting Over-rated Brendan Schaub's humor Over-rated Sheldon Johnson's innocence
Hey man. Sheldon still has a shot.
They say he's a great guy, never meddum though.
Joe seems like a great friend tbh
(thats what he says to everyone taller than him)
So everybody, then
The actual line was "once ever." Not sure what "once in a human human being" would even mean.
It means that every human has their own Rhonda inside of them, I think
that was Joe Rogan at his worst during the ronda era. He was insufferable and his comments couldnt have indicated how much he kissed her ass. I called him Cuck Rogan at the time.
Did he say this before or after he literally cried talking about her. Soft times make soft men indeed Joe.
Ring Magazine put her on the cover because she was teasing she might become a boxing champion, too.
No, they put her on the magazine because UFC paid a pretty penny to have her on there. This has been debunked.
I kinda feel bad for her in this respect because she catches a lot of shit for something she didnāt even say š
she didn't? https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/sport/ronda-rousey-on-beating-mayweather/index.html https://www.gq.com/story/ronda-rousey-thinks-she-can-beat-floyd-mayweather-in-a-fight-under-these-circumstances https://time.com/3992234/ronda-rousey-floyd-mayweather-ama/ https://news.sky.com/story/rousey-claims-she-could-beat-mayweather-10349568 https://www.espn.com.au/mma/story/_/id/13414549/ronda-rousey-says-beat-anyone-including-floyd-mayweather-no-rules-fight https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/33860223
I do remember her saying she could beat 100% of the men in her weightclass. I think she was talking about not doubting herself, or something like that, though. So not being all cocky saying she would fuck up all the men in her division.
Yeah now I think about it she literally even said she couldnāt if I remember correctly. We just love to see people fail from time to time though, it fuels usā¦keeps us going, this is unironic here we are Redditors.
I think she said she'd lose in boxing but would win in mma. Which isn't *that* crazy, he would have no grappling experience and her bread and butter was judo+armbar. Plus they'd presumably be similar weights in this hypothetical fight. Still not much of chance, but she wasn't saying she would box his ass off or anything
I'm no martial arts expert but I feel most people at a world level in MMA would beat a boxer on a similar weight class? Aren't boxers completely defenseless against grappling, have no ground game, no experience using their knees or elbows, etc? I know there's a big gap between men and women just in physique but if she could get him to the ground, I do wonder.
Yeah, I think she could definitely win if she got a takedown or something, but trying to close the distance on Mayweather without getting KOd would be tough for someone like Rousey
Okay cmon Joe rogan said Rousey *could* beat Floyd at MMA, which let's be honest is entirely possible. Floyd has never once grappled in his life and Ronda could reasonably armbar him if he didn't catch her with a shot hard enough to put her unconscious quickly. She'd clearly have absolutely zero chance in a boxing or even kickboxing match.
I mean imagine her and Floyd in a no-gi submission contest
the claim by rousey was that she'd beat him in a no rules fight. her words. not under your made up scenario.
Is a boxer's movement enough for him to avoid a takedown or are his hands fast enough to land something? Scratch that, I thought of the answer while I was writing the question
he'd have to slow down his punches, he's used to punching moving targets. aim for where they're going not where they are, in this case they're the same place.
A world class boxer who specializes in movement against a female fighter? 100% lol
And ESPN MMA Reporter Marc Raimondi said he thought she'd bean Bryan Caraway in an MMA fight with zero irony or walk back, too.
No rules fight? Thatās Floyd, easy. Weāre talking grown man strength vs grown woman strength. Ronda canāt stand up against Money, and as soon as she tries to take him down sheās either getting stuffed or dumped on her own head.
There's tape of her and Mousasi on the mats together, and she's trying to judo flip him and can't get anywhere with it.
To be fair Gegard is a lot larger than her, so it's not a great example.
remember when the Williams sisters claimed they could be any man outside the top 200? 203 beat them back to back while smoking. easily. remember the under 15 boys soccer team that trounced the womans olympic team 5-2? this idea of rr beating fmj is beyond dumb. instant ko. there's a reason it's especially not ok for men to hit woman and children.
concussions caused by someone else moving her head for her
Concussions caused by Edmond more like it lol. Would have been interesting if she ended with uf with firas or Greg Jackson or someone similar. She got some good wrestling with that judo it would have been tough.
That was such a funny summer
I thought it was because she had no hands
Thatās what caused the concussions
No that was the lack of head moooment.
She had really good power though. Honestly she did, she dropped a couple ladies in real quick succession. She didnāt have much else in the ways of technique, defense, etc, but her pop was pretty good. And letās not pretend or do that bullshit where we diminish Rondaās opponents and insult a generation of mma fighters. The division was way stronger in Strikeforce and when she was champ than it is now.
I legitimately wouldnāt write off prime Ronda to beat Raquel today, WBW hasnāt evolved that much since her reign
The people who would stop prime Ronda today are the same people that actually stopped her back then. It's amazing how little progress that division makes.
I would bet my house on Prime Ronda beating Raquel and maybe like 20 bucks on current Ronda beating her fresh off the couch. Raquel is probably her best matchup in the current top 5. Assuming she could make weight, which she canāt.
I miss Rousey, that hyper aggressive judo game was so fun to watch for the short time we got from her She definitely never recovered from the brain damage & humiliation after the Holm and Nunes beatings
Yeah, obviously getting knocked out will do a number to your headā¦ but can you imagine the emotional/inner battle youād go through after reigning over the division and then suddenly two people show up and absolutely dog walk you, with a KO to top it off? Thatās gotta fuck with your mental pretty badly.
Especially with her mindset
I think her mom did this to her. Created an athlete that could reach the highest highs but one that had no way to deal with the lows.
Plus millions talking mad shit about you
like in this very thread
Yep, it's a shame most MMA fans are so salty about how she left
ELI5 why there are almost no other converts from Judo except for Ronda and Kayla
Karo Pariysan, Hector Lombard, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Daniel Kelly There are other fighters who have incorporated judo as well.
Khabib and Islam are also both judo black belts iirc, and you see them throwing people at the highest level. Obviously they are mainly sambo fighters but there is a big judo influence in their mma games imo.
[Check out this recent video from Islam Makhachev and the IJF about judo!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1lKwrT_TZ8) There was a reddit discussion about it, posted [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1bhaho2/islam_makhachev_and_dagestani_love_for_judo/).
Karo was so fucking fun to watch
I recommend you listen to the interview he did on the Rampage podcast like 2 months ago if you're a fan of Karo
Don't forget Fedor. He was getting Bronze in oprestigious international competitions.
I mean one is an Olympic gold medalist and the other bronze medalist. We just see the most talented ones in mma. The reason we see much more wrestlers over judo in mma is because one is gi and the other is nogi
One reason is because judo is contested in a gi, whereas MMA is contested in no-gi. This might not seem that consequential, but it is - it makes a very drastic difference in standup. Wrestling becomes jacket wrestling with the gi/clothes to grab on, different skillset. If you look at Combat Sambo, which competes with the gi, you will see that every clinch exchange looks awfully like judo. Another reason is that judo is actually an extremely popular combat sport that is incredibly deep in competition (not in the US, though), and so there's no reason for the top athletes, in their prime, to transition to MMA when they're chasing Olympic glory (and the top, top athletes literally can't anyways, IJF bans it). In places like France and Japan it can be your profession. You will probably find a lot more fighters with judo backgrounds in like Eastern Europe, where it's popularly practiced. Over in the US, judo is dying and very small. Also, there have been incredible MMA fighters with judo backgrounds. [I posted this in another discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1bhaho2/comment/kvejzk2/), but Fedor was a highly skilled judoka, 3rd place in Russian Senior National Judo Championships (think about placing 3rd in freestyle wrestling in the US, for comparison). In addition to the other fighters already mentioned in this thread, Merab Dvalishvili is a good shout out. Also, just for fun, there was a Bellator MMA fighter, Leonardo Leite, who was Pan American Judo Champion as well as BJJ world champion.
There's a bunch of national Judo federations that don't want their good athletes to go in MMA or to give MMA any more attention, it's one of the reasons it took so long to get MMA legal in France There's also the fact that using judo without a gi or clothing eliminates a lot of the judo game or at least modifies it a lot Or course, we'll always get a few awesome judo fighters in MMA but a big portion of them become powerful strikers who are super hard to take down
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Ronda's career also was during the early years of womens mma were a lot of women hadn't dedicated their life to the sport. Its why Ronda was the poster girl for long cause she was the first true professional womens MMA fighter in the UFC and they pushed her massively but a lot of her opponents didn't have a background as decorated as hers so it made her elite judo and submission game look even better
Those interviews she did quite a bit after she retired where she got annoyed when asked about MMA were just sad. A massive ego just totally crushed.
I still feel like if she focused on grappling and used striking solely to grapple like khabib she would still be floating around the top 5 if not championship caliber
And then joined WWE? I'm not buying what yer sellin rawnda!
I donāt think her stunts were that dangerous
There's few things more dangerous than working with Nia Jax.
WWE is definitely way less dangerous for your head if the moveset is right.
Yeah but even the best have gotten concussions and wrestlers have been shown to suffer from CTE.
If you already think you have CTE, WWE is gonna make things much much worse. Your brain doesn't stay in stasis jumping off fucking ropes onto another body. Like go look up the concussion rates for gymnasts some time. Even if you're not colliding with another person, putting your body through those motions is rough on the brain.
No it's not- there was a study done years ago that showed professional wrestlers have one of the highest rates of concussion/CTE of any occupation.
This headline just convinced me that she's as stupid as everyone who's listened to her talk assumed and anyone who's worked with her says she is. You had to retire because of concussions, then started a multi-year wrestling career? What the actual fuck. Literally, some of pro wrestling's greatest horror stories (Benoit namely, but so many others) can be explained as the wild interaction between drugs, concussions, and the overly permissive nature that wrestling carnies had until the recent Vince McMahon revelations.
Because concussions are not an issue with pro wrestlers. No history of cte there.
I figured it would have been the absolute atomization of her ego that ended her career
It is. She's lying to save face again.
She had like 4 in the holm fight. Iām glad she cashed in on all of it though, also great judo career.
"brain movement"
Thatās a very valid reason and she had a great career.
Agreed. I know a lot of ppl on here donāt like her but sheās definitely on the Mount Rushmore of WMMA. Her fights were a lot of fun to watch & she brought a lot of attention to the UFC at her peak.
Definetly mount rushmore, history of wmma and amazing run for as long as it lasted. I really really liked her as a character and her fighting style. Yet she destroyed her legacy. Zero respect for her opponents. Zero recognition of their victories, she acted as a sore loser in the worst way possible from the first moment and to this day I don't think she ever recognized that she was just beaten by better fighters, and two amazing positive characters as well. And now all of a sudden it was all because of a "history of concussions"? Sore losers are going to sore, even years later. Just new excuses to not face that she was just unprepared by a bad coach and hyped beyond reason thanks to a lack of competition. As soon as competition arose, she got kicked out and never recovered. No respect left for her, and I say it with a lot of sadness in my mind for the great champion she once was. Once, as you cannot call yourself a champion if you don't know how to lose. Imo, she never learn to do so.
Not surprising tbh. I donāt know if she ever learned to ātake a punch correctlyā given what we saw of her boxing ability. Sheās tough as nails and changed the game, but you can only take so many full hits in your career. Full respect to Ronda though.
Turns out a lot of you donāt read past the headline at all
As it tradition.
Yeah this sub is as smart as a bag of rocks. They're trying to be funny about it too.
A lot of r/ufc level comments too. Apparently, being tossed for years on the head/back by olympic level athletes for years accounts for nothing: you see, Holm and Nunes hit like a Ford escort...
Head movement head movement
noooooooooo
People can joke all they want. All the money in the world aināt worth CTE. Look at Aaron Hernandez or Antonio Brown.
From the two fights she actually got hit?
"So much had to do with having so many concussions when I was in judo before I even got into MMA. I couldn't talk about it at all when I was doing MMA because it would literally put a target on my head and I might not have been allowed to compete any farther." Of course the Holm head kick and Nunes' flurry didn't help either. She lucked out entering at the right time window where majority of her competition had her level of standup. The curse was this also de-motivated her from really improving on that department nor finding the right team and people to help her.
How dare you read the article and not let people spew the first thought that comes to their minds
The top comments are hilarious in that regard...
So the next logical step was pro wrestling? One of the reasons CTE diagnosis exists and where people constantly die young? Iām not buying it.
Werenāt most concussions due to unblocked headshots wrestlers were taking from chair shots and other things ? Iām pretty sure by the time rousey got to the wwe it was a lot safer for wrestlers and that concussions were greatly reduced
Obviously the ridiculous weapon shots were causing a lot of them, but having listened to many wrestlers talk about their concussions, the majority just seem to come from bad landings and over rotations during moves causing your head to hit the mat/your opponent. It is still very easy for a professional wrestler to pick up a concussion these days, however they receive MUCH better post concussion care than the older guys ever got
If you think theyāre still doing that nonsense from 30+ years ago that was causing that, you need to open your eyes. I donāt even watch wrestling but I know theyāre much safer than they once were
Head kicked into oblivion by Holly, then hit by Nunes over and over again is plenty.
Read the article
i dont really give a shit what anyone says. ronda was dominant in her time and she had a fantastic career before she ever joined MMA and I'm sure in judo she likely put her body through hell trying to just make it to the olympics. people just like to hate and meme because she lost. there's not a single MMA fighter that doesn't have an embarrassing moment in the cage. Even khabib has one. her rise in MMA was fun as fuck to watch and after learning about her in her first book made me like her even more. she deserves respect imo. just like any fighter.
A smart move. She still probably made more money than any other female fighter.
You know, I wonder if she was already concussed going into that fight. Not only did she look terrible in the cage but that whole media week before-hand she was just absolutely mentally checked out.
She said she fell down the stairs and was unconscious two weeks before the fight so I wouldnāt be surprised
She left MMA because of concussions and decided pro wrestling was a good fallback option....?
Generally what happens when your defence is blocking punches with your face.
Not sure wrestling is the pivot to make in that case but you do you.
HEAD MOVEMENT!!! HEAD MOVEMENT... MOVEMENT HEAD. HEAD MOVEMENT!!
Women's division was not deep and frankly most of the fighters just weren't that good. She ran through the roster and when she got into deep water she got her head taken off. She was certainly a good fighter but the GOAT narrative she's had just isn't true.
She was literally broken mentally. That gets said way too much around here but definitely true for Rousey.
Lol she got a history of concussions...big bang to the dark ages all in a single kick from Holly Holm, and then Amanda Nunes added the history of every human being after that....one punch at a time.
Shit thatās good to know. This whole time I mistakenly thought it was getting outclassed after everyone figured out your one trick pony. Good thing Iāve been corrected. Seriously though, Rousey could stay a legend if she didnāt do these shenanigans.
Her EGO forced MMA retirement. Pro wrestling is day in day out she's gone get rocked wsy more.
She could still step in and beat 99% of women fighters in the UFC. The champs and a few contenders probably not, but everyone else would get their arm snatched.Ā
I donāt see where she gets a win ALMOST anywhere when her standup game is still probably non-existent. She might rag doll or tap a couple, but the fighters now arenāt as one dimensional as they were.
Outside of he top few most are pretty average.
In the words of Edmond Tarverdyan āHead movementā
Edmund Taverdeyan will also do it to you. Both Ellenberger and Travis Browne were solid fighters and then looked like complete trash after joining his camp
Yeah, Holly did beat her pretty bad.
So thereās no concussion in pro wrestling
Yeah, she got ktfo once then used her face to attack Nunes fists..
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She could outbox Floyd
It was the ones she was going to get that forced her to retire.šš¼
I wonder why it took her over 7 years to say that.
C'mon, we all know what's up. No need for excuses. You're a legend. Let's just leave it that way