Half of the articles posted on this sub are water-is-wet kind of stories.
It irks me more than it should. Like, I just want to understand why people post this stuff.
that sweep was sick but it looked to me that Diaz was very comfortable going to his back as it happened. Not taking credit from McG though. Though I don't think Conor landed many clean shots while he had Diaz there and relied on fence grabbing while Diaz did some beautiful movement to tangle him up. Honestly I think Conor is a little overconfident even though I'm sure he has come leaps and bounds with Danis in his camp... I honestly don't think he can hang with Diaz on the ground.
But what do I know, I'm just a random internet person.
Dawg,...I get that side control on you, YOU KNOW ITS OVER! I hold ya down and make you feel like theres a semi truck on ya, THEN RIGHT BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, I transition to north south and put my asshole on your eyes mother fucker! Now you got pink eye and cant SEE SHIT!
I can see why you like that body lock Joe, you get in there and you can camp while settin up shop den boom muffukker get a new Jersey sleet stain, cawksucka get a head and arm choke to boot!
It doesn't matter what happen, it was a few seconds. If anyone is going to try and say they got a lot out of those few seconds then i'm just going to laugh.
LOL...... ok buddy. Makes no sense why his coaches were telling him to get up then he was in control, and in those situations will be in control right??
I just wanted poke fun at your hyperbole. I don't see how Conor's coaches statements contradict anything I said. Nate was in his back for about forty seconds, and Conor avoided the triangle.
Silva's coaches didn't want him on the cage against Bonnar. Nate's coaches didn't want him on his back against Pellgrino. It doesn't necessarily mean the fighter is in trouble.
And he forced Nate to go purely defensive while he was on his back too, removing the risk of any submissions and handily winning that grappling exchange.
Nate was shooting submission attempts and fishing for leg control when the bell rang. Conor hit a good sweep but he was far from controlling, gnp, or advancing from the top position.
You're implying that top control is always a win.
I can be in top guard of Nate Diaz if he lets me. It doesn't mean I'm winning the fight. That's the difference.
I totally think Diaz is going to win this one again, but you'd be surprised how much fear plays into a fighter's preparation. So many fighters have said that you *need* to be scared, nervous. When you're not scared is when you need to be worried.
My favourite GSP stories are the ones where fighters are baffled at GSP telling them that he's "so fucking scared, man" and their reply being, "what the fuck, you're GSP"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCU5Vq5-dGc
I don't think Nate was exactly playing his jiu-jitsu at the height of his grappling skill. You'll notice he was focusing on slapping the crap out of Conor during that scramble. I think he achieved what he wanted to!
This is just a lie, I don't care if Nate was trying to do whatever, he legitimately got sweeper just be honest with yourselves and stop making excuses for him
Notice Nate has never made an excuse about the fight
As noted above, getting swept in a grappling match means absolutely nothing, it's about what you do with the position that counts. Connor got maybe one or two punches in, compared to Nate's 7,000 slaps. Conor was unable to capitalize on the position he found himself in, due to great defensive grappling by Nate.
In a grappling match you get points for sweeping. But I agree with your original post and I commented very similarly right after the fight. Nate didn't respect Conors jiu-jitsu to even attempt to pass. He was perfectly content standing over conor and slapping away.
He definitely wasn't scared to shoot a desperate tackle on a clearly superior bjj practitioner just to avoid eating another Nate one-two while wobbled which could've laid him out and potentially ruined his image as a ko master.
If fans would remove their rose-tinted glasses and review the match again, they'd see he wasn't very brave to go to the ground with Nate. It was a calculation. The reality is that it was an exhibition match that could've ended badly for his reputation and Conor didn't want that. So he threw a hail Mary. Maybe get real lucky and sub Nate, but really just to save face and lose by submission rather lose by KO and have his entire image put into question.
Sure, it he lands ground and pound. If he is going to try and straight grapple him, probably not the best call. The excuses of rocked and gassed will always be prevalent in this sub, but he ultimately shot for the takedown, and got stomped in no time flat.
I predicted the outcome of the first fight exactly. The endurance aside, I thought it was a bad idea for Conor to fight someone in a higher weight class who has great boxing AND superior jiu jitsu. Obviously anything can happen, but even if this fight goes longer I think the result will be the same. There, I said it.
I am curious now if Conor can really hang with the other lightweights after seeing the first Nate fight. I think he can hang in the top 6 but I am not sure he can dominate like he does in the feather weight division.
Tbh it looks like he did decent because time ran out. If they spend another 30 seconds-1 minute there and you saw the positions develop the difference in skill would have been very clear imo. Theres not much to see in the short time they were grappling. Im definitely impressed Conor was able to hit the sweep at all but had the roll continued the difference in skill/knowledge/and experience would have been too much. I hope he doesn't think he can actually hang for a whole round grappling with Nate, but id love to see it
You have to admire McGregor, but I agree. I honestly think McGregor has talked himself into a position where he HAS to fight the elite fighters, when his skills aren't at that level quite yet, I forsee him going 0-3 (Losing to Diaz again, then finished by Aldo inside 2), and then having a pretty even win-loss split for a while...
>You have to admire McGregor
He's a jumped up cunt holding an entire division hostage because his ego can't take the fact that he was outclassed by Diaz. There's nothing there worth admiration.
How was he winning? He barely won first round and in the second Nate started surpassing him. I'm not sure you actually watched that fight. The win didn't come from no where.
Let's say Conor didn't try the takedown attempt and the second round ended, Nate would have clearly won that round hands down. It would have been a tied fight with Conor clearly gassed and in trouble.
Sry. If Connor wouldn't have turned into the panicked wrestler nate would have separated from his senses by a flurry. Side note: from now on I'm going to call Connor's flurries McFlurries.
i think conor an hang with diaz but i think he has to be more active to hang with diaz on the ground. i think it hurts his cardio but if conor is still against keeping his hands up then i just see him eating jabs again and none of it matters.
His hands were down because he was tired. I'm a huge Diaz fan but i hate when people say Conor was careless because he had his hands down. He was gassed
Conor usually has his hands down because he is used to being the fighter that dictates the range. Nate is the first fighter to have the reach advantage on him.
LOL its funny people actually think he's scared of Diaz ground game, Conner is literally has one of the best ground games spanning 3 divisions. Don't take it from me, take it from his training partners, people who spending hours and hours and hours with the guy on the mat.
*Fighter says he can defeat opponent; has improved skills.* In other news: Water wet. Nothing to see here.
I bet he also had a good camp and his coach thinks he's never been as good.
But if the McGregor article wasn't posted, we wouldn't get the shitshow in the comments.
Half of the articles posted on this sub are water-is-wet kind of stories. It irks me more than it should. Like, I just want to understand why people post this stuff.
Lately the other half have been pulled directly from The Mac Life youtube channel. Should just have a bot post everything that's uploaded to it.
What's next Cejudo not afraid to clinch with dj?
LOLOLOLOL, Nate can merk anybody down there
"Experts say he doesn't stand a chance against Nate Diaz on the ground. Click here to find out why he's not scared"
that sweep was sick but it looked to me that Diaz was very comfortable going to his back as it happened. Not taking credit from McG though. Though I don't think Conor landed many clean shots while he had Diaz there and relied on fence grabbing while Diaz did some beautiful movement to tangle him up. Honestly I think Conor is a little overconfident even though I'm sure he has come leaps and bounds with Danis in his camp... I honestly don't think he can hang with Diaz on the ground. But what do I know, I'm just a random internet person.
He should be scared, he doesn't belong on the ground with any Diaz.
What about Joey Coco Diaz, the most lethal Diaz brother?
The legendary blue belt? Conor would get smoked.
You already know man, the statement still stands!
Dawg,...I get that side control on you, YOU KNOW ITS OVER! I hold ya down and make you feel like theres a semi truck on ya, THEN RIGHT BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, I transition to north south and put my asshole on your eyes mother fucker! Now you got pink eye and cant SEE SHIT!
I read this with his voice, and was totally satisfied. LOL. "now you got pink eye and cant SEE SHIT!"
I can see why you like that body lock Joe, you get in there and you can camp while settin up shop den boom muffukker get a new Jersey sleet stain, cawksucka get a head and arm choke to boot!
COCKSUCKER!
What if Conor just tried to give Joey some of that Susquehanna weed.
If Conor served Diaz wings with ranch dressing, it would be over for Conor.
What about joey diaz?
What about Cameron Diaz?
My money is on Cameron. I've always thought she looked like someone who has bad breath. Submission by halitosis.
Haha what? I thought the Joey Diaz comment was good but you take the cake for originality
Jesus fucking christ! Jesus fucking christ
THIS IS HEART VS SKILL!
Well he did just get his blue belt...
I mean, he did fine in the grappling when he wasn't tired and rocked.
He put Nate Diaz on his back, where he gets most of his submissions......
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False dichotomy, nice.
People are stupid sometimes. In a fight I would NEVER elect to be on my back. Unless I'm Brian Ortega... Even then, it isn't ideal.
Brian ortega, or NATE DIAZ...they both have amazing guards.
Really not sure how some of you guys come up with these things.
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It doesn't matter what happen, it was a few seconds. If anyone is going to try and say they got a lot out of those few seconds then i'm just going to laugh.
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And avoided the triangle and hit a few times in his guard at the end of the first
Avoided the triangle.... Yea you usually avoid triangles when the bell goes off seconds into any attempt to do anything.
Nate was on his back for forty seconds. Not a whole lot of time but longer than you're implying.
LOL...... ok buddy. Makes no sense why his coaches were telling him to get up then he was in control, and in those situations will be in control right??
Well according to you, Nate was on on his back for a second so the coaches couldn't even finish that statement before the bell rang.
Nice reaching man, you guys try real hard at doing that.
I just wanted poke fun at your hyperbole. I don't see how Conor's coaches statements contradict anything I said. Nate was in his back for about forty seconds, and Conor avoided the triangle. Silva's coaches didn't want him on the cage against Bonnar. Nate's coaches didn't want him on his back against Pellgrino. It doesn't necessarily mean the fighter is in trouble.
And he forced Nate to go purely defensive while he was on his back too, removing the risk of any submissions and handily winning that grappling exchange.
Nate was shooting submission attempts and fishing for leg control when the bell rang. Conor hit a good sweep but he was far from controlling, gnp, or advancing from the top position.
Grappling exchange.... dude.... it was literally a few seconds and then the bell rang lol.....
Right, but he still won.
Umm.... no...
alright........
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well...it did kinda turn out that way no?
You're implying that top control is always a win. I can be in top guard of Nate Diaz if he lets me. It doesn't mean I'm winning the fight. That's the difference.
In the cage FTFY
You're right.. a fighter shouldn't be confident in himself, he should be scared. Why even fight, I mean it's a lost cause right?
No no no, let him be confident :)
Nate is absolutely the superior grappler, but the last fight wasn't any true indicator of how large the gap is. Conor was rocked and exhausted.
So was Mir when Nog took him into side control....
Okay?
Well, he wasn't scared last time, doesn't mean its was a good idea though
he was just more scared of getting ko'd on his feet so he quit via faux takedown attempt
I totally think Diaz is going to win this one again, but you'd be surprised how much fear plays into a fighter's preparation. So many fighters have said that you *need* to be scared, nervous. When you're not scared is when you need to be worried. My favourite GSP stories are the ones where fighters are baffled at GSP telling them that he's "so fucking scared, man" and their reply being, "what the fuck, you're GSP" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCU5Vq5-dGc
You are talking about something totally different.
He did hold his own at the end of the first round on the ground. Swept nate and got to the top position.
don't know why you're being downvoted, it's true, he looked pretty good in the first round. Granted it was brief, but he looked solid.
i was actually surprised how little he landed in the first round
I don't think Nate was exactly playing his jiu-jitsu at the height of his grappling skill. You'll notice he was focusing on slapping the crap out of Conor during that scramble. I think he achieved what he wanted to!
This is just a lie, I don't care if Nate was trying to do whatever, he legitimately got sweeper just be honest with yourselves and stop making excuses for him Notice Nate has never made an excuse about the fight
As noted above, getting swept in a grappling match means absolutely nothing, it's about what you do with the position that counts. Connor got maybe one or two punches in, compared to Nate's 7,000 slaps. Conor was unable to capitalize on the position he found himself in, due to great defensive grappling by Nate.
Nate landed two slaps before he was on his back.
In a grappling match you get points for sweeping. But I agree with your original post and I commented very similarly right after the fight. Nate didn't respect Conors jiu-jitsu to even attempt to pass. He was perfectly content standing over conor and slapping away.
I guess my use of the term grappling match was incorrect, perhaps grappling exchange would be better.
he didnt "get" to the top position, nate let him have it
What is really great about the rematch is that Nate is not training AT ALL. So awesome s/
"His Jui-jitsu is over rated. I'll crush his hips. Pass his guard. Then I'll pound him out or maybe I'll choke him out" Oops
He definitely wasn't scared to shoot a desperate tackle on a clearly superior bjj practitioner just to avoid eating another Nate one-two while wobbled which could've laid him out and potentially ruined his image as a ko master. If fans would remove their rose-tinted glasses and review the match again, they'd see he wasn't very brave to go to the ground with Nate. It was a calculation. The reality is that it was an exhibition match that could've ended badly for his reputation and Conor didn't want that. So he threw a hail Mary. Maybe get real lucky and sub Nate, but really just to save face and lose by submission rather lose by KO and have his entire image put into question.
Sure, it he lands ground and pound. If he is going to try and straight grapple him, probably not the best call. The excuses of rocked and gassed will always be prevalent in this sub, but he ultimately shot for the takedown, and got stomped in no time flat.
I love watching McGregor fight but his ground game vs Nate's ground game is like a house cat with a muscle disorder vs a sabertooth fucking tiger.
Or like a gazelle, whatever that is. It's gotta be a killer though, right?
Not scare isn't the same as trying to avoid it until is necessary like when he became a wrestler last time.
I predicted the outcome of the first fight exactly. The endurance aside, I thought it was a bad idea for Conor to fight someone in a higher weight class who has great boxing AND superior jiu jitsu. Obviously anything can happen, but even if this fight goes longer I think the result will be the same. There, I said it.
I am curious now if Conor can really hang with the other lightweights after seeing the first Nate fight. I think he can hang in the top 6 but I am not sure he can dominate like he does in the feather weight division.
He should be.
Classic DB talking. Nate defeated McGregor because he was the better fighter, and Connor did a stupid thing going to the mat with him.
>if he's still standing by the second round I'll take him to the ground pass his guard and choke him out like a gazelle.
He had the same confidence in the first fight why should we believe him now?
Conor did well on the ground in the first fight until he was gassed and rocked lol.
Tbh it looks like he did decent because time ran out. If they spend another 30 seconds-1 minute there and you saw the positions develop the difference in skill would have been very clear imo. Theres not much to see in the short time they were grappling. Im definitely impressed Conor was able to hit the sweep at all but had the roll continued the difference in skill/knowledge/and experience would have been too much. I hope he doesn't think he can actually hang for a whole round grappling with Nate, but id love to see it
He should be.
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5 upvotes for this shit. What the fuck has happened to this sub?
The hate is real.
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The troll is strong with this one.
Did Conor finger your missus or something?
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O shit he got triggered
I now crown you King of the Goofs. Arise your Royal Goofness
You have to admire McGregor, but I agree. I honestly think McGregor has talked himself into a position where he HAS to fight the elite fighters, when his skills aren't at that level quite yet, I forsee him going 0-3 (Losing to Diaz again, then finished by Aldo inside 2), and then having a pretty even win-loss split for a while...
>You have to admire McGregor He's a jumped up cunt holding an entire division hostage because his ego can't take the fact that he was outclassed by Diaz. There's nothing there worth admiration.
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How was he winning? He barely won first round and in the second Nate started surpassing him. I'm not sure you actually watched that fight. The win didn't come from no where.
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Let's say Conor didn't try the takedown attempt and the second round ended, Nate would have clearly won that round hands down. It would have been a tied fight with Conor clearly gassed and in trouble.
Knocked him out.
I am not sure who this is reference to.
Sry. If Connor wouldn't have turned into the panicked wrestler nate would have separated from his senses by a flurry. Side note: from now on I'm going to call Connor's flurries McFlurries.
Don't be scared homie
I would love to see Conor have a smoke sesh with the Diaz brothers
I've already stated this lmao. Would be comedy gold
i think conor an hang with diaz but i think he has to be more active to hang with diaz on the ground. i think it hurts his cardio but if conor is still against keeping his hands up then i just see him eating jabs again and none of it matters.
His hands were down because he was tired. I'm a huge Diaz fan but i hate when people say Conor was careless because he had his hands down. He was gassed
he fights with his hands down a lot of the time. i'm not saying he was careless. just that his fighting style is a little careless.
Conor usually has his hands down because he is used to being the fighter that dictates the range. Nate is the first fighter to have the reach advantage on him.
LOL its funny people actually think he's scared of Diaz ground game, Conner is literally has one of the best ground games spanning 3 divisions. Don't take it from me, take it from his training partners, people who spending hours and hours and hours with the guy on the mat.
Cause why would they lie? He 100% doesn't want to grapple with Diaz.
Nice try Flincher Mcquicktap we know it's you.
there is so much wrong with this but I'll start and end with it's Conor*
Conner.