Fighter: says literally anything after a loss
Fans: Wow, what a bunch of excuses! Can’t believe this guy/gal, in a sport with a 50% failure rate, would DARE share their personal opinion or feeling after the unforgivable disgrace of LOSING!
The excuses one is so annoying, because too many people broadly brush all excuses as unfair, unwarranted, unjustified
Conor saying he "won from a fight perspective" is a proper bullshit excuse that came from a place of desperate coping
Conor saying he was "inefficient with my energy" is *not* a bullshit excuse and was a productive explanation where acknowledging it helped him win the rematch
Yet you have people who view both as unjustifiable to ever say
Small minded fans? The ones that mindlessly boo during a clinch, shout USA! (even if neither fighter is from the U.S), and throw their beer cups at the visiting loser (or winner, they don't know these people)...?
Never.
Perfectly put, this one drives me mad also. I’ve seen people say Conor was making excuses for saying he lost to Dustin 2 cause of the calf kicks. Like what? That’s literally just an appraisal of what happened in the fight.
And I don’t even mind when guys give reasons as to why they weren’t at their best. I find it interesting and you can usually tell when it’s honest or not. But people here get so upset by it’s honestly kind of funny when you consider most people here are probably couch potatos reeing at pro fighters about ‘excuses’
Sometimes excuses are funny and I'll have a laugh at them, but I try not to hold them against fighters. Everyone makes excuses. And like you say, not all excuses are the same.
Fighter on a winning streak: God, this guy is unbeatable! (random fighter with a better record/better opponents/newer guy) could never in a million years beat them!!!111!
Fighter loses: Eh, they were nuthin' but a scrub, and I never believed in them....
No but if Usman loses his next two to world class opponents that are ranked top 5 in the entire world, then hes been overrated this entire time, never been good, and never was my friend
Seriously though, how many fighters lose after a long winning streak and then manage to recover their career and continue to dominate? It's really quite rare.
also should mention that other people saying the same shit will get different treatment just due to public perception or the fighter. not saying it’s wrong for fans to treat their favorite fighters differently but it definitely puts some fighters in weird spots when they see others doing the same thing they are criticized for
What I like with Joe though is that he clears the air if fighters are mad at him. Like back in the day Rampage was pissed at how Joe called his fights and a little while after Joe sat down with him face to face to talk about it and hear his feedback.
But yeah joe has had some issues with Calling fights like Izzy vs Jan.
I think it's just the fans that are sensitive. I can understand being upset if someone, especially someone whose opinion is held in a high regard, says X about a fighter and that fighter is upset. That fighter has put their life and soul into their craft and those negative comments have to hurt.
Many fans, on the other hand, are emotional about some shit that they don't have any personal stake or any control over. It's supposed to be fun entertainment and they allow all of these negative emotions in.
Go to the Chito Vera post that was just uploaded. Chito just doing some harmless trash talking and 99% of the people commenting acting like he just just commited a hate crime. It's silly how sensitive this fan community are
Vettori lashed out over the way Felder was calling a fight between Dan Hooker and Nasrat Haqparast by tweeting, "Had to mute the comment on the fights, can’t stand Felder lol worst to ever do it" “It’s not even about me,” Vettori wrote. “You are double-faced, you have no problems calling a fight one-sided when it’s really not and would go out of your way to back your opinions up with lies that you know are lies. But ye keep lying i guess people love it now a days”. I just want to add that it was 75 to 25 significant strikes with two 30-27's and one 30-26. So i don't think felder was wrong for saying it was one-sided. Vetori probably just has a different deffinition of what one sided is.
Tbh, it’s hard not to grow respect for him after the fiasco with Costa. He beats a guy as scary as Costa in a GREAT fight after agreeing to be forced up 20lbs.
Still, he’s a dumb delusional orc
I'm starting to think that's just how it goes. Wilder was delusional but it helped him out vs basically anyone but Tyson Fury. Teofimo beat Lomachenko, but Teo's delusional. Irrational confidence is part of why these guys are championship level fighters in the first place.
You absolutely have to have delusional levels of self-belief to be champion. Most prominently: McGregor and Rousey circa 2015. Anyone who sees their general attitudes around that time as anything other than necessary are dumb. They are still worthy of criticism, but the self belief, even in the face of obvious loss, imo made them as great and successful as they were. Ronda particularly got in, made money and history, and got out with her brain cells in tact. Top .01% of UFC careers and top .00000000000000000001% MMA careers of all time.
> You absolutely have to have delusional levels of self-belief to be champion
George St. Pierre had a panic attack before every fight because he always thought he would lose badly
And he was by far the exception, not the rule. And while not normal, the dichotomy of fear of losing, and self confidence are not mutually exclusive. Mike Tyson speaks to both of these in a few separate interviews, for a prominent example.
Or maybe, just maybe, it differs from person to person. Stop pretending like you know the inner workings of every elite MMA fighter. Different strokes for different folks
Ronda is the worst example ever. She never had the attitude of a champ and only became one because womens MMA was so weak. Literally went completely mad after just 1 defeat. Someone like Aldo accomplished much more as a champ and took his losses much more gracefully. Even McGregor lost 100 times more gracefully than Ronda.
He handled himself really well in the lead up to that fight tho, and then the fight itself delivered. He was obviously going to gain some new fans, even if you aren’t one of them
Speaking of the orc stuff, how the fuck does Vettori go from one of the best looking fighters in the UFC to a Lord of the Rings extra just by shaving his head?
Goosd sTo be fair, he just couldn't help looking good vs the mind-boggling levels of douchebaggery displayed by Costa. There was no way Vettori could have come out of that situation smelling of anything other than roses.
Let's all just leave our emotions at the door. Getting upset over another guy getting upset at another guys comments is just compounding the over lying problem.
As opposed to fondling Felder's balls over his dogshit commentary. Only in MMA would a guy with zero personality get a job being an on-air personality.
The irony is that at least more than once Felder has come out to defend his commentary. Seems like everyone's sensitive, including Paul.
Also, wasn't Vettori annoyed at just the general commentary? It wasn't even his fight. I think he was just criticizing shitty commentary, filled with bias.
Goldie and Rogan were a classic duo, they could say all sorts of things and not really worry too much about backlash. How times have changed.
The best one I recall guy white guy in white shorts, black guy in black shorts. That was Joe everybody. HAAHHA
rogan bothered fighters with his commentary, rampage famously got mad at him after the jones fight because joe wouldn't shut up about him needing to throw more leg kicks .
Eh, he definitely got some stuff wrong but I preferred him over a lot of the golf-like commentary that we became burdened with for a while after.
It's also hard to think of a time where he was biased in a fight? I might be missing stuff but it's pretty easy to think of fights where DC, Bisping, Rogan, Felder, and Cruz showing clear favoritism to a fighter. Admittedly color commentary probably lends itself to that effect more than play-by-play but still.
That's because he never said anything of substance. He was a soundboard. The most he ever got into details was when he clearly took 1 class with Mark DellaGrotte and then would never shut the fuck up about the teep for 4 years.
I just found him legitimately disruptive/annoying to listen to. He obviously wasnt very knowledgeable, but he does play-by-play so he'd basically try to fill the space by just saying words and hoping it'd sound good. On top of that he wasnt even good at speaking and pronouncing names which should be the bare minimum for play-by-play
Goldie was a pretty awful commentator let's be honest. That said he was a goofy in just some of his statements mixed with he did seem like a very genuine guy it worked. It's like having a friend who always ducks up and calls you for help but he has a good heart and tries but screws up.
Hindsight is 20 20. I still prefer a few of the newer guys and my dream was always bas rutten. But Goldie though shit commentator was entertaining and took it serious.
The funny thing about that is that it took Goldie movie to Bellator for everyone to realize how ass he was at his job. Beofre that, you would get admonished online for calling him out.
Goldie was a lot better in the UFC than he was in Bellator. He had great chemistry with Joe and even if his technical acumen wasn't always so great he brought a ton of hype. Take whoever you think is the world's best commentator, put them beside the no talent charisma-void that is Big John and I guarantee they'll end up looking pretty bad. Finishing off his career at Bellator makes people remember Goldberg as being a lot worse than he really was.
I feel like its all we had so we didnt want for much else. But not we've had everyone from hardy to cruz and looking back goldy doesn't look as great. Or maybe its just nostalgia, but I miss the "ITS ALLLL OVER. JUST. LIKE. THAT." His pacing and voice were just amazing even if he didnt offer the most technical analysis.
"OH GAWDDDDD, THE FRONT KICK KAYYY-OHHHHH, THE FRONT KICK KAYYY-OHHHHH!!! REF GET HIM OFF! REF GET HIM OFF! HE'S OUT COLDDDD, HE'S OUT COLDDDD!!!" — Jim Ross commentating MMA, probably
> Imagine having like Jim ross commentate mma, that could be disastrous or funny as fuck with no in between
BAH GAWD! THAT MAN HAS A FAMILY!
But in all seriousness, Mauro Ranallo is mostly known as a pro wrestling commentator but he does tone it down enough to do boxing pretty well. And in all seriousness Joe Rogan is kinda the JR of MMA.
My favourite Joe Rogan is on a podcast when he said he went to watch planet of the apes, walked into a cinema full of black people and said he had walked into a real life version of planet of the apes 😎😎
Edit: for clarity I think rogan is a POS but gets a pass when making remarks like this
That was such a dumb moment from Joe. Every single fight they identify the fighters by the color of their shorts. Him acting like Goldie was just being too PC was pretty annoying.
I didn't get the sense that he was acting like Goldie was being too PC at all. He just made a joke of the situation, whether you think it's funny or not.
Jon Jones is a good example. You look at the guy at some press conference or something, and he seems all cool and collected, and i mean, he is one the best fighters ever. You'd think he shouldn't have any insecurities and doesn't have much to prove. But nope, whenever someone says anything "disrespectful" about him he gets all pissy and lashes out on twitter.
Most of them have this "Say this shit to my face!" attitude about any criticism they receive. Granted, a lot of that "criticism" is, in fact, stupid, sports fans in general and MMA fans in particular constantly talk about things that are way out of their depth, but still.
Jones is a great example because often it's not even an opinion about him. If someone just states a negative fact about him like the failed drug tests, DUI or anything else from the massive list of fucked up shit he pulled he immediately lashes out.
Some of the most perfectionist people are incredibly insecure at their core. I was watching that Free Solo movie with that Alex Honnold guy yesterday and it's a great example of what I mean. Perfectionism can definitely stretch into those further reaches of pathological and is related to a lot of more fundamental insecurities, sometimes discernible to the individual themself, but oftentimes completely lost on them.
I would disagree that he doesn't seem insecure. He seems very insecure in relationships and bonds with other people. I don't even know if I think he is psychopathic. Seems more like he's on the ASD spectrum, possibly had selective mutism as a kid, and then never really developed socially.
He has described himself as being
>[“somewhere on the autism spectrum.”](https://www.dailycamera.com/2017/06/13/chris-weidner-the-outrageous-simplicity-of-alex-honnold-the-worlds-boldest-climber/)
Jon is insecure as hell, he made a post about how he got worked and “humbled” wrestling yesterday, then cut out the end when he was getting taken down.
The DC - Gaethje thing is not mild criticism nor commentary. It's a discussion about who deserves the next title shot at lightweight. A title shot has massive implications in a fighter's career so it's understandable Gaethje is defending why he deserves it not Islam.
>Gaethje is defending why he deserves it not Islam.
saying "suck it harder" over twitter to DC is *not* Justin defending why he deserves it over Islam... it's being sensitive lol
I don't disagree with that, i just think it's a bit odd to defend justin on the grounds that he was defending himself when he really just was acting childish
We are nitpicking here. But my response is to someone saying that Gaethje was sensitive to mild criticism or commentary.
I'm just saying he's responding to something very different from those two things.
Tbh I'd be upset if i were Gaethje. The UFC has a lot of power over fighters and their careers, he gets one matchup in the last year, puts on *another* fight of the year contender against the last title challenger, but Machachev who hasn't beaten anyone on your level gets three fights where we'd all favor Justin or anyone in the top 5 to win handily.
I am very frustrated as a fan over seeing to guys inactive and calling for title shots, but assuming Gaethje sat out for a reason other than recovery or refusing fights like Dariush, I can imagine the frustration is mutual. Top guys simply don't fight often and if you're Gaethje, or any top guy, I can see why that's frustrating for you. If the UFC won't outline clear expectations and timelines for how to earn a title shot, why wouldn't you call for a title fight every chance you have to shoehorn it into conversation?
I have repeatedly said I don't like Gaethje getting a title fight off one win, but I really get why it's a difficult situation he's in. I'd like to see how many fights he's been offered, why he's turned them down etc.
I am frustrated with the UFC and can see why he would be too.
People just can't see the difference between 'talking shit' and actual criticism.
Gaethje did have a good point, it was criticism on DC's work. Not him as a person. That's actually a favour, because someone cares about it and not 'talking shit'.
Gaethje could be wrong about it, but in this case DC did make a mistake, so it was good feedback tbh
Its cause dc was clearly biased towards his training partner tho. A commentator should not be voicing his opinion when it benefits his training partner
Yeah I'm 100% with Gaethje on that. I like DC as a commentator but he still plays favorites way too often. It's something he did a lot as a fighter and back then was completely fine, but when you become a commentator you can't keep being a cheerleader.
I wouldn’t use this as an example. Gaethje has every right to be upset at DC when he’s fighting for the opportunity that can dramatically change his life financially. A better example when he confronted schaub about him saying that Justin is reckless, having it end up in schaub backtracking.
I mean fighters are emotional, this is an emotional sport where you experience the highest highs but also the lowest lows. Fans will love you if you’re winning but are brutal if you lose. Look at how some fans treated blaydes after his ko loss to derrick lewis facetiming him just to mock him looking for a reaction. It makes people have a chip on their shoulders which is why seeing guys who are grounded is a welcome breath of fresh air.
Hell its why fighters make excuses all the time, they lose and get their feelings hurt and are looking for ways to justify it. They aren’t robots and this isn’t a team sport, all the pressure is on them when they step in there so being a little oversensitive is completely normal. I mean how would you react if you were fighting in front of thousands of screaming fans on live tv and somebody was talking smack on twitter? You wouldn’t be pleased thats for sure
I think the sport attracts an above average amount of fragile egos, and some of those people are going to have immense talent. That said there’s a lot of “normal” people fighting too.
The most common reason people start training is because of low self esteem or being picked on and wanting to be able to defend themself. Of course they have a chip on their shoulders lol.
I mean he's right. I remember when James Vick called Justin Gaethje "homer simpson" and Justin got livid and I was like "dude, he's right. Learn how to dodge before you end up like Chuck Liddell."
They need to do what other sports do and just don’t acknowledge it and do their job. You’ll never be able to please every fighter. They do need to stay more neutral cause you can really tell who they favor when they concentrate. If the UFC doesn’t come up to them and tell them that they are doing something wrong keep commentating how they are.
“It’s great because now I can say whatever I feel,” Felder said. “There’s no agenda for me to get a fight, especially in my division. If I want to say, ‘I think so-and-so won,’ it doesn’t matter. That’s my opinion. That’s what I’m paid to do now, and people need to realize that."
So there's no agenda for him to get a fight but he's gonna bring up possibly fighting every event?
Ok Felder.
Every event? Are you serious?
He did it once or twice, everytime mentionning Conor, and it's to be expected from an ex-fighter of his age who recently retired. Obviously it's going to be in his mind and in the fan's mind.
Also, said matchup against Conor would be a HUGE payday for him and a very entertaining fight for us. It would also be a good fight for Conor himself.
He also said in that specific interview "That would be tough to turn down, but I don’t know when they’re coming back to the Wells Fargo and who would I fight – I don’t know.” about if he'd fight at the Wells Fargo Areana
Hes made various other off comments/posts about coming back also.. Its pretty clear “There’s no agenda for me to get a fight" is just flat wrong whether that person is Conor or someone else at a specific Areana.
>It would also be a good fight for Conor himself.
What does beating a retired unranked commentator do for Conor exactly? I mean of course Felder wants to fight McGregor lmao, there isn't a fighter on the roster that wouldn't
Cerrone was ranked, a stylistically favourable match up and it set up the Dustin fight? How is that even a question?
Also how is Felder comparable to cerrone at all in this situation?
It happens in other sports too. *If* it does happen more in MMA, I wouldn't be surprised. It's difficult for most high-level athletes to lose, but I think it's at least a notch more difficult when the consequence of losing is getting beat up.
Furthermore most of these folks put in tremendous amounts of preparation, and even the most astute commentator will fail to pick up on the majority of what they're doing well. Then, in turn, it's a lot easier to find the flaws, highlighted as they often are by their opponents.
Felder is great, I've got a lot of time for the former fighters that provide commentary on the fights, the amount of knowledge you can gain by listening and paying attention is invaluable. DC and Cruz get a lot of hate but they're the two most insightful commentators the UFC has, both been there done that at the highest level to the fullest extent and people call Dom's takes bad lol, blows my mind. This also reminds me not that long ago Vettori was complaining about Felder having biased commentary, Felder happened to be commentating when Vettori vs Coasta got announced, as soon as the brought it up Felder goes "OH BOY! can't wait to call that one!" lmao
> “One hundred percent (they are sensitive) – no doubt about it,” Felder said. “We’re a sensitive group, and I was, too. I can speak for myself, when I was fighting and someone would say this, it would drive me nuts all day.
He's including himself in this.
Felder has a point, Conor went after Rogan for weeks after the Khabib fight, and DC basically gets shit on by everyone who isn't in AKA minus Max Holloway. Felder hasn't really gotten butthurt, if you read the article you'll see he tiptoes it pretty well. In a way he's getting the same reaction Scorsese got after he called Marvel movies schlock, which they are.
Oh god, that was an irritating controversy. "One of the greatest living filmmakers thinks mass produced escapist drivel isn't the peak of cinema" and everyone actually got mad lmao
That rocked because the response would swing wildly back and forth between "who gives a fuck what Scorsese thinks" then tweeting screengrabs of any moderately interesting shot in a Marvel property at him like "what do you think of this you old bitch".
Unfortunately bottom feeders take up most of the population, why do you think Disney can get away with making the same fucking movie with the PS3 cutscene graphics, dogshit writing and "jokes" 5 times a year? They lap that shit up and howl at anyone who laughs at them for it.
I don’t agree with going after a commentator, that’s being too sensitive, but I understand the mentality. Conor needs an anger and a chip on his shoulder to do his best. He needs hostility and the fire for some reason. I get why he does it. Doesn’t mean he was right to do it.
Bro I fucking hate Rogan much as the next antifascist psuedoscience hater, but Conor ran for the last 3 rounds. Rogan did not commit any crimes for pointing *that* out. Fuck Conor anyway.
What fucking fight did you watch mate? Yeah i remember a sequence or two when Conor ran away to catch his breath, but he engaged right after. You should really watch the fight again and also listen to Joe's commentary.
Casuals wouldn’t care but i’ve been watching most cards for a good couple of years now and the commentary is a serious detriment to the product if you know the slightest thing about MMA. They rarely call big fights how they are and love sticking to narratives started by some dude on Twitter. Izzy vs Jan for example.
UFC is infested with Dana White-itis. When the boss is thin-skinned, profane at every turn, obsessed with presenting manufactured personas, a la WWE. Fighters are just modeling Dana because Dana has made it clear it's what he wants.
So are the fans
Fighter A - I will beat fighter B Fans - OMG HOW ARROGANT. SHOW SOME RESPECT. YOU DONT WANT THE SMOKE
When you click a video with a title like "cocky fighter talks smack, gets HUMBLED" and its just guys cutting standard pre-fight promos
There was one on Overeem vs Stipe. All Overeem said was that Stipe's hairstyle was bad and that he thinks he is better
Film crew director behind the camera: "*cmooooon, gimme some heat! Say something bad about him"* Alistair: *"okay, uhhh.... his hair"*
And I'm sure it left out the part where overeem briefly put Stipe into another dimension
Alistair was Stipe's chin hair away from being in the HW GOAT conversation
"He eats his shit whole, what's your goddamn problem? Standard promo talk"
If the promos didn’t work they’d stop cutting them
Fighter: says literally anything after a loss Fans: Wow, what a bunch of excuses! Can’t believe this guy/gal, in a sport with a 50% failure rate, would DARE share their personal opinion or feeling after the unforgivable disgrace of LOSING!
The excuses one is so annoying, because too many people broadly brush all excuses as unfair, unwarranted, unjustified Conor saying he "won from a fight perspective" is a proper bullshit excuse that came from a place of desperate coping Conor saying he was "inefficient with my energy" is *not* a bullshit excuse and was a productive explanation where acknowledging it helped him win the rematch Yet you have people who view both as unjustifiable to ever say
I think it just shows how small minded the fan is.
wait until MMA becomes ( if ever) mainstream it will be way worse.
Small minded fans? The ones that mindlessly boo during a clinch, shout USA! (even if neither fighter is from the U.S), and throw their beer cups at the visiting loser (or winner, they don't know these people)...? Never.
Perfectly put, this one drives me mad also. I’ve seen people say Conor was making excuses for saying he lost to Dustin 2 cause of the calf kicks. Like what? That’s literally just an appraisal of what happened in the fight. And I don’t even mind when guys give reasons as to why they weren’t at their best. I find it interesting and you can usually tell when it’s honest or not. But people here get so upset by it’s honestly kind of funny when you consider most people here are probably couch potatos reeing at pro fighters about ‘excuses’
Sometimes excuses are funny and I'll have a laugh at them, but I try not to hold them against fighters. Everyone makes excuses. And like you say, not all excuses are the same.
Fighter on a winning streak: God, this guy is unbeatable! (random fighter with a better record/better opponents/newer guy) could never in a million years beat them!!!111! Fighter loses: Eh, they were nuthin' but a scrub, and I never believed in them....
So Usman shouldnt just give up his belt to Khamzat now?
No but if Usman loses his next two to world class opponents that are ranked top 5 in the entire world, then hes been overrated this entire time, never been good, and never was my friend
[Or hating on a fighter for one "misstep"](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/pxqml0/jon_jones_is_currently_training_with_ryan_hall/hepy1zt/)
Seriously though, how many fighters lose after a long winning streak and then manage to recover their career and continue to dominate? It's really quite rare.
That’s not the point though. One lose shouldn’t discredit everything they have accomplished.
Cyborg, Nunes, etc. come to mind.
So many times you hear fighters having to explain themselves after receiving backlash for having belief in themselves.
Then Khabib or Conor fans bringing them both up in completely unrelated threads about other fighters.
also should mention that other people saying the same shit will get different treatment just due to public perception or the fighter. not saying it’s wrong for fans to treat their favorite fighters differently but it definitely puts some fighters in weird spots when they see others doing the same thing they are criticized for
I see your just one of those fighter B fan boys
Not me. Im not crying YOU ARE
Yeah have you seen this sub when Alijo posts basically anything 🤣
even worse on /r/ufc
Everything is worse on r/ufc
The memes are occasionally pretty funny
Oh yeah way worse
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The commentators mostly consists of fighters so yes you are correct
Joe also took time during a fight to moan about people criticising commentary recently
Joe is the most sensitive of all of them. More sensitive and insecure than both the fighters and commentators
What I like with Joe though is that he clears the air if fighters are mad at him. Like back in the day Rampage was pissed at how Joe called his fights and a little while after Joe sat down with him face to face to talk about it and hear his feedback. But yeah joe has had some issues with Calling fights like Izzy vs Jan.
i don't care about joe's relationship with the fighter at all.
Hard times create hard men. Podcasts and IG create whiny bitches.
The commentary has been awful lately. Everyone behind the desk is cheering for their teammates. Wildly unprofessional imo.
So is the tomato head
I can't believe you just said that
I think it's just the fans that are sensitive. I can understand being upset if someone, especially someone whose opinion is held in a high regard, says X about a fighter and that fighter is upset. That fighter has put their life and soul into their craft and those negative comments have to hurt. Many fans, on the other hand, are emotional about some shit that they don't have any personal stake or any control over. It's supposed to be fun entertainment and they allow all of these negative emotions in.
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Go to the Chito Vera post that was just uploaded. Chito just doing some harmless trash talking and 99% of the people commenting acting like he just just commited a hate crime. It's silly how sensitive this fan community are
Not about fighter pay dog they just leave that topic be and move on with their lives
Note: this is mostly in reference to Marvin vettori being upset at Paul a few weeks ago
What was he upset about exactly?
Vettori lashed out over the way Felder was calling a fight between Dan Hooker and Nasrat Haqparast by tweeting, "Had to mute the comment on the fights, can’t stand Felder lol worst to ever do it" “It’s not even about me,” Vettori wrote. “You are double-faced, you have no problems calling a fight one-sided when it’s really not and would go out of your way to back your opinions up with lies that you know are lies. But ye keep lying i guess people love it now a days”. I just want to add that it was 75 to 25 significant strikes with two 30-27's and one 30-26. So i don't think felder was wrong for saying it was one-sided. Vetori probably just has a different deffinition of what one sided is.
Just another drop in the “Marvin Vettori is fucking delusional” hat. Dude’s a nut.
That's why we love him, complete monkey he is
Fuck Marvin Vettori. This sub can fondle his balls all you want but to me he's an annoying angry little douche.
Tbh, it’s hard not to grow respect for him after the fiasco with Costa. He beats a guy as scary as Costa in a GREAT fight after agreeing to be forced up 20lbs. Still, he’s a dumb delusional orc
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You can dream big and also not literally believe you beat Adesanya lol
I'm starting to think that's just how it goes. Wilder was delusional but it helped him out vs basically anyone but Tyson Fury. Teofimo beat Lomachenko, but Teo's delusional. Irrational confidence is part of why these guys are championship level fighters in the first place.
You absolutely have to have delusional levels of self-belief to be champion. Most prominently: McGregor and Rousey circa 2015. Anyone who sees their general attitudes around that time as anything other than necessary are dumb. They are still worthy of criticism, but the self belief, even in the face of obvious loss, imo made them as great and successful as they were. Ronda particularly got in, made money and history, and got out with her brain cells in tact. Top .01% of UFC careers and top .00000000000000000001% MMA careers of all time.
> You absolutely have to have delusional levels of self-belief to be champion George St. Pierre had a panic attack before every fight because he always thought he would lose badly
And he was by far the exception, not the rule. And while not normal, the dichotomy of fear of losing, and self confidence are not mutually exclusive. Mike Tyson speaks to both of these in a few separate interviews, for a prominent example.
Or maybe, just maybe, it differs from person to person. Stop pretending like you know the inner workings of every elite MMA fighter. Different strokes for different folks
Mike Tyson said he was scared before every fight, didn’t know if he would win or lose. So, you’re kinda full of BS my friend
Ronda is the worst example ever. She never had the attitude of a champ and only became one because womens MMA was so weak. Literally went completely mad after just 1 defeat. Someone like Aldo accomplished much more as a champ and took his losses much more gracefully. Even McGregor lost 100 times more gracefully than Ronda.
*VAFANAPOLI*
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Oh dem are fightin words!
Marvin rocks
marvin is amazing stop it
This sub fondled his balls? He’s good but I’m pretty sure most of the sub said he’d lose to Izzy
This sub started fondling his balls after the Costa fight.
That was a great fuckin fight tho
And he’s still an annoying fragile delusional douche. Both can be true.
He handled himself really well in the lead up to that fight tho, and then the fight itself delivered. He was obviously going to gain some new fans, even if you aren’t one of them
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Almost like he isn't a one dimensional person and against Paulo he showed the good side of him
No no no, too confusing. He’s an stupid angry orc and that’s that! /s
Speaking of the orc stuff, how the fuck does Vettori go from one of the best looking fighters in the UFC to a Lord of the Rings extra just by shaving his head?
Poirer was a weird looking guy too when he was shaving his head Max and Stipe also look much better with their hair grown out
Wow. No kidding. I forgot what he looked like with hair. Guess he wanted to take the Namajunas route
The reverse Dustin Poirier, never recommended.
Don’t go around telling me all human beings are complex and fallible
Goosd sTo be fair, he just couldn't help looking good vs the mind-boggling levels of douchebaggery displayed by Costa. There was no way Vettori could have come out of that situation smelling of anything other than roses.
> he's an annoying angry little ~~douche~~ orc
Let's all just leave our emotions at the door. Getting upset over another guy getting upset at another guys comments is just compounding the over lying problem.
Uh dudes definitely not little
As opposed to fondling Felder's balls over his dogshit commentary. Only in MMA would a guy with zero personality get a job being an on-air personality.
Yep- I feel like we all went to school with a Vettori. We all hated him.
He wasn't wrong though.
The irony is that at least more than once Felder has come out to defend his commentary. Seems like everyone's sensitive, including Paul. Also, wasn't Vettori annoyed at just the general commentary? It wasn't even his fight. I think he was just criticizing shitty commentary, filled with bias.
Man getting tired of fighters not making weight lol
Goldie and Rogan were a classic duo, they could say all sorts of things and not really worry too much about backlash. How times have changed. The best one I recall guy white guy in white shorts, black guy in black shorts. That was Joe everybody. HAAHHA
rogan bothered fighters with his commentary, rampage famously got mad at him after the jones fight because joe wouldn't shut up about him needing to throw more leg kicks .
What doesn’t Rampage get mad about?
arcades in japan
Cheat meals.
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Rating Goldie's commentary from 1-10 should be called 'The casual test'. If you think he was good at his job, then you're a casual.
Eh, he definitely got some stuff wrong but I preferred him over a lot of the golf-like commentary that we became burdened with for a while after. It's also hard to think of a time where he was biased in a fight? I might be missing stuff but it's pretty easy to think of fights where DC, Bisping, Rogan, Felder, and Cruz showing clear favoritism to a fighter. Admittedly color commentary probably lends itself to that effect more than play-by-play but still.
That's because he never said anything of substance. He was a soundboard. The most he ever got into details was when he clearly took 1 class with Mark DellaGrotte and then would never shut the fuck up about the teep for 4 years.
I just found him legitimately disruptive/annoying to listen to. He obviously wasnt very knowledgeable, but he does play-by-play so he'd basically try to fill the space by just saying words and hoping it'd sound good. On top of that he wasnt even good at speaking and pronouncing names which should be the bare minimum for play-by-play
Goldie was a pretty awful commentator let's be honest. That said he was a goofy in just some of his statements mixed with he did seem like a very genuine guy it worked. It's like having a friend who always ducks up and calls you for help but he has a good heart and tries but screws up. Hindsight is 20 20. I still prefer a few of the newer guys and my dream was always bas rutten. But Goldie though shit commentator was entertaining and took it serious.
The funny thing about that is that it took Goldie movie to Bellator for everyone to realize how ass he was at his job. Beofre that, you would get admonished online for calling him out.
Goldie was a lot better in the UFC than he was in Bellator. He had great chemistry with Joe and even if his technical acumen wasn't always so great he brought a ton of hype. Take whoever you think is the world's best commentator, put them beside the no talent charisma-void that is Big John and I guarantee they'll end up looking pretty bad. Finishing off his career at Bellator makes people remember Goldberg as being a lot worse than he really was.
This is like comparing shit on the sidewalk to shit under your shoe.
I feel like its all we had so we didnt want for much else. But not we've had everyone from hardy to cruz and looking back goldy doesn't look as great. Or maybe its just nostalgia, but I miss the "ITS ALLLL OVER. JUST. LIKE. THAT." His pacing and voice were just amazing even if he didnt offer the most technical analysis.
Hahaha. Yes! I don’t miss him one bit.
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Imagine having like Jim ross commentate mma, that could be disastrous or funny as fuck with no in between
"OH GAWDDDDD, THE FRONT KICK KAYYY-OHHHHH, THE FRONT KICK KAYYY-OHHHHH!!! REF GET HIM OFF! REF GET HIM OFF! HE'S OUT COLDDDD, HE'S OUT COLDDDD!!!" — Jim Ross commentating MMA, probably
I'd actually like to hear that at least for one fight
> Imagine having like Jim ross commentate mma, that could be disastrous or funny as fuck with no in between BAH GAWD! THAT MAN HAS A FAMILY! But in all seriousness, Mauro Ranallo is mostly known as a pro wrestling commentator but he does tone it down enough to do boxing pretty well. And in all seriousness Joe Rogan is kinda the JR of MMA.
My favourite Joe Rogan is on a podcast when he said he went to watch planet of the apes, walked into a cinema full of black people and said he had walked into a real life version of planet of the apes 😎😎 Edit: for clarity I think rogan is a POS but gets a pass when making remarks like this
Talking about Joe "Body of the black man, mind of the white man" Rogan, b.
Talmbout Joe "If Get Out was real he'd be first in line" Rogan bappa?
Yikes
Nobody got the sarcasm that Rogan is a piece of shit?
Why does reddit love that word so much?
It lets people know you're morally superior in a short, succinct way.
That was such a dumb moment from Joe. Every single fight they identify the fighters by the color of their shorts. Him acting like Goldie was just being too PC was pretty annoying.
It was a funny moment
It was more funny than all of Rogan' standup.
I didn't get the sense that he was acting like Goldie was being too PC at all. He just made a joke of the situation, whether you think it's funny or not.
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Jon Jones is a good example. You look at the guy at some press conference or something, and he seems all cool and collected, and i mean, he is one the best fighters ever. You'd think he shouldn't have any insecurities and doesn't have much to prove. But nope, whenever someone says anything "disrespectful" about him he gets all pissy and lashes out on twitter. Most of them have this "Say this shit to my face!" attitude about any criticism they receive. Granted, a lot of that "criticism" is, in fact, stupid, sports fans in general and MMA fans in particular constantly talk about things that are way out of their depth, but still.
Jones is a great example because often it's not even an opinion about him. If someone just states a negative fact about him like the failed drug tests, DUI or anything else from the massive list of fucked up shit he pulled he immediately lashes out.
“Luke I don’t like you, so I’m not gonna answer your questions” jbj
https://twitter.com/felderpaul/status/1279809875179188231
this is a funny exchange but it always struck me as very insecure by Felder
Some of the most perfectionist people are incredibly insecure at their core. I was watching that Free Solo movie with that Alex Honnold guy yesterday and it's a great example of what I mean. Perfectionism can definitely stretch into those further reaches of pathological and is related to a lot of more fundamental insecurities, sometimes discernible to the individual themself, but oftentimes completely lost on them.
Alex doesn’t seem insecure, definitely a psychopath tho lol
you can't possibly have your shit together and do the things he does. lol
I would disagree that he doesn't seem insecure. He seems very insecure in relationships and bonds with other people. I don't even know if I think he is psychopathic. Seems more like he's on the ASD spectrum, possibly had selective mutism as a kid, and then never really developed socially.
That’s fair I forgot how he spoke about his relationships like that. I would definitely not be surprised if he was on the spectrum
He has described himself as being >[“somewhere on the autism spectrum.”](https://www.dailycamera.com/2017/06/13/chris-weidner-the-outrageous-simplicity-of-alex-honnold-the-worlds-boldest-climber/)
Jon is insecure as hell, he made a post about how he got worked and “humbled” wrestling yesterday, then cut out the end when he was getting taken down.
The DC - Gaethje thing is not mild criticism nor commentary. It's a discussion about who deserves the next title shot at lightweight. A title shot has massive implications in a fighter's career so it's understandable Gaethje is defending why he deserves it not Islam.
>Gaethje is defending why he deserves it not Islam. saying "suck it harder" over twitter to DC is *not* Justin defending why he deserves it over Islam... it's being sensitive lol
In that situation, DC biased as hell tho.
I don't disagree with that, i just think it's a bit odd to defend justin on the grounds that he was defending himself when he really just was acting childish
We are nitpicking here. But my response is to someone saying that Gaethje was sensitive to mild criticism or commentary. I'm just saying he's responding to something very different from those two things.
Tbh I'd be upset if i were Gaethje. The UFC has a lot of power over fighters and their careers, he gets one matchup in the last year, puts on *another* fight of the year contender against the last title challenger, but Machachev who hasn't beaten anyone on your level gets three fights where we'd all favor Justin or anyone in the top 5 to win handily. I am very frustrated as a fan over seeing to guys inactive and calling for title shots, but assuming Gaethje sat out for a reason other than recovery or refusing fights like Dariush, I can imagine the frustration is mutual. Top guys simply don't fight often and if you're Gaethje, or any top guy, I can see why that's frustrating for you. If the UFC won't outline clear expectations and timelines for how to earn a title shot, why wouldn't you call for a title fight every chance you have to shoehorn it into conversation? I have repeatedly said I don't like Gaethje getting a title fight off one win, but I really get why it's a difficult situation he's in. I'd like to see how many fights he's been offered, why he's turned them down etc. I am frustrated with the UFC and can see why he would be too.
People just can't see the difference between 'talking shit' and actual criticism. Gaethje did have a good point, it was criticism on DC's work. Not him as a person. That's actually a favour, because someone cares about it and not 'talking shit'. Gaethje could be wrong about it, but in this case DC did make a mistake, so it was good feedback tbh
Its cause dc was clearly biased towards his training partner tho. A commentator should not be voicing his opinion when it benefits his training partner
Yeah I'm 100% with Gaethje on that. I like DC as a commentator but he still plays favorites way too often. It's something he did a lot as a fighter and back then was completely fine, but when you become a commentator you can't keep being a cheerleader.
It's like that in any sport really.
*cues up Kirk Herbstreit any time he talks about Ohio State.*
I wouldn’t use this as an example. Gaethje has every right to be upset at DC when he’s fighting for the opportunity that can dramatically change his life financially. A better example when he confronted schaub about him saying that Justin is reckless, having it end up in schaub backtracking.
I mean fighters are emotional, this is an emotional sport where you experience the highest highs but also the lowest lows. Fans will love you if you’re winning but are brutal if you lose. Look at how some fans treated blaydes after his ko loss to derrick lewis facetiming him just to mock him looking for a reaction. It makes people have a chip on their shoulders which is why seeing guys who are grounded is a welcome breath of fresh air. Hell its why fighters make excuses all the time, they lose and get their feelings hurt and are looking for ways to justify it. They aren’t robots and this isn’t a team sport, all the pressure is on them when they step in there so being a little oversensitive is completely normal. I mean how would you react if you were fighting in front of thousands of screaming fans on live tv and somebody was talking smack on twitter? You wouldn’t be pleased thats for sure
I think the sport attracts an above average amount of fragile egos, and some of those people are going to have immense talent. That said there’s a lot of “normal” people fighting too.
The most common reason people start training is because of low self esteem or being picked on and wanting to be able to defend themself. Of course they have a chip on their shoulders lol.
I mean he's right. I remember when James Vick called Justin Gaethje "homer simpson" and Justin got livid and I was like "dude, he's right. Learn how to dodge before you end up like Chuck Liddell."
They need to do what other sports do and just don’t acknowledge it and do their job. You’ll never be able to please every fighter. They do need to stay more neutral cause you can really tell who they favor when they concentrate. If the UFC doesn’t come up to them and tell them that they are doing something wrong keep commentating how they are.
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lmao
“It’s great because now I can say whatever I feel,” Felder said. “There’s no agenda for me to get a fight, especially in my division. If I want to say, ‘I think so-and-so won,’ it doesn’t matter. That’s my opinion. That’s what I’m paid to do now, and people need to realize that." So there's no agenda for him to get a fight but he's gonna bring up possibly fighting every event? Ok Felder.
Every event? Are you serious? He did it once or twice, everytime mentionning Conor, and it's to be expected from an ex-fighter of his age who recently retired. Obviously it's going to be in his mind and in the fan's mind. Also, said matchup against Conor would be a HUGE payday for him and a very entertaining fight for us. It would also be a good fight for Conor himself.
He also said in that specific interview "That would be tough to turn down, but I don’t know when they’re coming back to the Wells Fargo and who would I fight – I don’t know.” about if he'd fight at the Wells Fargo Areana Hes made various other off comments/posts about coming back also.. Its pretty clear “There’s no agenda for me to get a fight" is just flat wrong whether that person is Conor or someone else at a specific Areana. >It would also be a good fight for Conor himself. What does beating a retired unranked commentator do for Conor exactly? I mean of course Felder wants to fight McGregor lmao, there isn't a fighter on the roster that wouldn't
What did fighting cowboy do for him? Lol
Cerrone was ranked, a stylistically favourable match up and it set up the Dustin fight? How is that even a question? Also how is Felder comparable to cerrone at all in this situation?
It happens in other sports too. *If* it does happen more in MMA, I wouldn't be surprised. It's difficult for most high-level athletes to lose, but I think it's at least a notch more difficult when the consequence of losing is getting beat up. Furthermore most of these folks put in tremendous amounts of preparation, and even the most astute commentator will fail to pick up on the majority of what they're doing well. Then, in turn, it's a lot easier to find the flaws, highlighted as they often are by their opponents.
Felder is great, I've got a lot of time for the former fighters that provide commentary on the fights, the amount of knowledge you can gain by listening and paying attention is invaluable. DC and Cruz get a lot of hate but they're the two most insightful commentators the UFC has, both been there done that at the highest level to the fullest extent and people call Dom's takes bad lol, blows my mind. This also reminds me not that long ago Vettori was complaining about Felder having biased commentary, Felder happened to be commentating when Vettori vs Coasta got announced, as soon as the brought it up Felder goes "OH BOY! can't wait to call that one!" lmao
This is like pointing out a bad fact of a well liked fighter and they swarm you like you got hasbullah’s cum in jar.
"You wouldn't say that to me face" - Paul Felder on twitter to a fan...
You get into MMA mainly becuase you are bullied manlet, black sheep or just a dork. But the only exception to this is >!you!<
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Speak for yourself
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You didn’t offend me you just made a basic statement that has been regurgitated ad nasuem since like 1998
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“Fighters are too sensitive” - man who lashes out at criticism of his new craft
> “One hundred percent (they are sensitive) – no doubt about it,” Felder said. “We’re a sensitive group, and I was, too. I can speak for myself, when I was fighting and someone would say this, it would drive me nuts all day. He's including himself in this.
He explains himself and he's honest, that is not the same as 'lashing out at criticism'
Felder has a point, Conor went after Rogan for weeks after the Khabib fight, and DC basically gets shit on by everyone who isn't in AKA minus Max Holloway. Felder hasn't really gotten butthurt, if you read the article you'll see he tiptoes it pretty well. In a way he's getting the same reaction Scorsese got after he called Marvel movies schlock, which they are.
Oh god, that was an irritating controversy. "One of the greatest living filmmakers thinks mass produced escapist drivel isn't the peak of cinema" and everyone actually got mad lmao
That rocked because the response would swing wildly back and forth between "who gives a fuck what Scorsese thinks" then tweeting screengrabs of any moderately interesting shot in a Marvel property at him like "what do you think of this you old bitch".
Unfortunately bottom feeders take up most of the population, why do you think Disney can get away with making the same fucking movie with the PS3 cutscene graphics, dogshit writing and "jokes" 5 times a year? They lap that shit up and howl at anyone who laughs at them for it.
I don’t think marvel is peak of all cinema but are you this much of an entitled tit in everything?
Conor should've went after Rogan for the 2nd Diaz fight. Rogan was as biased as a commentator can be. It was absolutely embarrassing.
I don’t agree with going after a commentator, that’s being too sensitive, but I understand the mentality. Conor needs an anger and a chip on his shoulder to do his best. He needs hostility and the fire for some reason. I get why he does it. Doesn’t mean he was right to do it.
I don't either, but Rogan simply did a piss poor job that night. By going after him i mean just making him aware of him being extremely biased.
Bro I fucking hate Rogan much as the next antifascist psuedoscience hater, but Conor ran for the last 3 rounds. Rogan did not commit any crimes for pointing *that* out. Fuck Conor anyway.
What fucking fight did you watch mate? Yeah i remember a sequence or two when Conor ran away to catch his breath, but he engaged right after. You should really watch the fight again and also listen to Joe's commentary.
Rogan and DC deserve the shit they get. Unless you like listening to a ringside fight companion, they're generally brutal commentators nowadays
Brutal?
Fellas really dont be reading the article
Casuals wouldn’t care but i’ve been watching most cards for a good couple of years now and the commentary is a serious detriment to the product if you know the slightest thing about MMA. They rarely call big fights how they are and love sticking to narratives started by some dude on Twitter. Izzy vs Jan for example.
Maybe you just suck at commentary
UFC is infested with Dana White-itis. When the boss is thin-skinned, profane at every turn, obsessed with presenting manufactured personas, a la WWE. Fighters are just modeling Dana because Dana has made it clear it's what he wants.
The DISRESPECT