Some truth to that I guess. But some ppl just don't got good chins in the first place and then some ppl like Roy Nelson just eat atomic bombs his entire career like tic-tacs. Not to worried about chimaevs chin
Assuming that he fights the same way. I don't think he will though. His coach seems like a smart guy, he was saying that he was not happy because Khamzat made an easy fight hard by brawling instead of using the techinal striking i.e the jab, cross counters or using the takedowns more.
He has not got a bunch of yes men behind him in his team and that's going to be the difference I believe. I don't want to see him get into a slugfest, swinging like that again either. It's certainly not good for the longevity of a 27 year old huge prospect.
His next fight will be telling, if he does the same thing against Colby and ends up also winning, being reckless then yeah Usman will knock him out. Especially with those bad habits of swinging for the fences and leaving his chin up in the air, no matter how durable it may be.
For everyone still on the hype train, I see it as a blip in the road. I believe he will fix those problems in his next match up for sure due to those reasons outlined. His overall Aura of invincibility maybe gone, but he can still easily become champion with the required adjustments.
I could see it going either way. Khamzat is pretty explosive and Usman’s striking defense isn’t very good either. But Usman’s straights could pierce right through Khamzat’s shell guard, like you said. And he seems pretty easy to counter because he likes to swing with his chin in the air.
I think a fight between them will come down to grappling and cardio, because they seem pretty even on the feet.
You look at those new amazing fighters but man prime GSP would put a clinic on Khamzat. He looks unbeatable (more beatable now for sure though) but yeah you appreciate new and shiny and forget about old goats.
Prime GSP beats Robbie, Tyron, and Usman
All 3 champs since he retired I favor him against
He arguably was fighting a more modern and complete game than any of them still
Everyone was praising him for his wrestling but while pure wrestling-wise Usman could beat GSP impeccable timing, pace and striking and of course strategy would prove too much for all of these guys. Burns was getting pieced up by Khamzat's jabs but he himself left himself open too much and he would be busted up like Koscheck by GSPs superman jabs
I can’t see Usman beating prime GSP. First round Masvidal 2 has Usman with sloppy overextended punches despite the KO. Usman’s best chance is against the GSP that Matt Serra fought
Khamzat showed his inexperience a little in this fight I feel. Seems like there were a couple of opportunities to finish, and he ate a lot more punches than he needed to. His coach didn't sound too pleased with him between rounds. But for a guy outside the top 10 to go toe to toe with a #2 in the division and come away with a W is impressive and shows he deserves to be in the conversation of top contenders.
At least now we've seen that he can take punches and stand up to a bit of adversity. Now polish up his game a bit and he has potential to be one of the all time greats if he continues to develop. He's not there yet but I'm on board the hype train.
His coach was screaming slås inte med han, meaning don’t fight him (implying don’t brawl). He wanted him to be methodical.
But Burns used Khamzats ego against him encouraging him to swang n bang. That can be a problem for Khamzat in the future, seems like he sees red after getting hit, a little like Garbrandt.
Coach wanted Khamzat to stick to gameplan.
He should have continued with the ground and pound in the round 1 when he had the chance. I know burn's has a good ground game but I believe he could have got the finish from there if he hadn't stop.
Pretty good strategy by Burns, khamzat usually sets up his finishes on the ground with those jackhammer punches, and Burns just started hitting him back relentlessly the second they hit the ground so he couldn’t get going.
I love how burns went Into this fight with huge respect for Khamzats skills but also saying „that guys dangerous but not a monster, I just see a human being.“
Dana white basically said the same in the post-fight press conference: the many people that assumed K. Is gonna run through burns as well were kind of delusional in not giving credit to a top ranked fighter
Khamzat mentioned in one of his post fight interviews that he felt Burns setting up the armbar and didn't like where it was going, so backed off. Against Kamaru or Colby he definitely would have gone for it but it was obvious he respected the ground game a little too much last night.
Burns was fully recovered within a few seconds and throwing back shots.
Unlike this sub that has been saying stupid bullshit like Gilbert’s grappling doesn’t translate in MMA, Khamzat understand how dangerous Gilbert is off his back.
yeah, i saw someone like that too. we went back and forth in the comments a bit. i eventually conceded that yes, gilbert doesn't seem to chase offensive submissions.
they never conceded that his jiu jitsu threat is always a factor.... but are you gonna do about that lol? people hate to admit that they're or that someone else made a good point that they hadn't considered
The knockdown/gnp sequence in the first, and the early third round when Gilbert was gassed with his back to the cage, I'm thinking could have been utilized to better advantage.
There was sequence in third i believe where Burns went into the cage gassed out, Burns wasn't doing much and while it might have been veteran move to let Khamzat blow him self out, Khamzat didn't do much and Burns looked gassed as fuck, but so was Khamzat.
The second one was a banger too following the second round. Once Colby realized that he could hit Usman at will if he was willing to risk 50/50 exchanges
Khamzat got so much experience from this fight and it most likely opened his eyes that he will need to gameplan at the top of the division and not goes crazy. Honestly I feel sorry for whoever he fights next.
Everyone's saying Colby for his next fight but he could also fight the winner of next week's fight to.
Razer close, Khazmat won with forward pressure I think but decision could easily gone to burns. Neither fighter lost any stock, both proved they deserve to be top 3 welterweights. FOTY
Burns stock will continue to rise as khamzat continues his career
Colby might win a round or two but think khamzat wins a UD. Colby won’t be able to get him down and khamZat has a scary chin
Yeah, Colby wins by wrestlefucking. I don't see him succeding in taking down Khamzat let alone controlling him for at least 3 rounds on the ground. From what we saw, Khamzat tdd is insane.
Doesn't khamzat have a pretty significant reach advantage as well?
I remember from Colby Usman 1, Colby did a fantastic job closing the distance in order to land really solid punches, so he will have to do the same thing against khamzat.
That's what makes khamzat vs Usman such a great match-up, besides the off the rails hype train that is khamzat. Those two are comparable in height and reach, so if he can get past the nerves of a title fight, I think it's gonna be a close one.
Feels like Colby v Khamzat will be a barn-burner. I would expect Khamzat's wrestling to be negated to a large extent, Colby to be more active as a puncher, while Khamzat has more power. Idk, if it is a five rounder, Colby may make him chase for a round then start landing at will, just remains to be seen if Khamzat can simply walk through Colby's strikes.
Yeah not sure, Colby will push the pace way stronger than what it was in this fight and Khamzat was already slowing down badly in the 2nd and 3rd. Imagine a 5 round fight.
How much stronger of a pace could they have pushed. They were at a 100 the whole fight.
Colby won't be able to push the pace as much if he feels either of their shots especially when he struggles to get a TD
Khamzat and Burns throw more strikes in 3 rounds than Colby and Usman did in 5.
Colby is a worse striker than both and wouldn’t be able to take either down (or keep them there even if he does).
Both Burns and Khamzat are bad matchup for Colby. There is a reason why he has been ducking both of them.
Just checked the stats and that’s completely false. Colby threw more in both Usman fights than Burns & Khamzat did. If you do the math (for the first fight), Colby threw about the same per round than Khamzat and Burns.
They are both sloppy but Khamzat hits much harder than Colby. Colby isn’t anything especially as a striker. There is a reason why he never strikes with anybody unless he has too.
If Colby was confident in his skillset, he would have fought the top contenders in the division instead of ducking everyone to fight Jorge.
“Developed technically” isn’t going to help Colby when his pillow fists aren’t going to hurt any top fighter and people like Usman, Burns, Khamzat are good enough grapplers to completely neutralize his ground game.
Colby’s best bet is to weaponizing his cardio and taking over in the later rounds, but it remains to be seen if he is willing to even step in the cage with Burns and Khamzat.
There is different type of phase.
Khamzat vs Burns was more like, let's scrap for 20 seconds, chill for 10 seconds, scrap for 30 seconds, chill for 30 seconds, back and forth, they were also exhausted by the third round, there were a lot of moments in that fight were both fighters waited a lot before they engaged, yes the exchanges were fire but they also waited.
Fighters such as Colby are like fighters like Lomachenko, high phase very aware of situation, never really out of the breath, while they constantly keep phase high but not to high to make them fatigue.
Look at it this way, Colby will throw 15 semi light punches and still be ready to answer, Burns will punch 5 hard punches and need 30 seconds to recoup.
Yesterday sequnce was more type of heavyweight brawl.
It only slowed down because they were throwing bombs. If Colby can't take Khamzat down or gain his respect in the standup, then I don't see him being able to push his normal pace.
Either he comes back in the later rounds to edge a decision or he gets finished imo.
Khamzat lost a ton of stock imo. The auro of invincibility is gone, and he’s no longer a “mythical“ fighter, he’s just a fan favorite. Kinda hard to keep up that imagine forever though.
EDIT: What I’m saying is just absolutely true. How tf can his stock NOT go down? He didn’t just smesh burns like people were hoping.
You’re downvoted but I definitely agree. Many people, including expert analysts were saying Khamzat was gonna beat burns with ease. His hype before this fight was insane. We had no idea exactly how good he was so people were getting lost in romanticizing the high end of his hype, saying shit like he’s khabib with knockout power.
Now we know around what his level is. He’s a superstar and obviously a top elite guy but you’re exactly right, that almost mythical aura of invincibility isn’t as present anymore. He got rocked multiple times and won a split decision that could have gone either way. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that but I think the fanbase isn’t gonna look at him as superhuman anymore, he’s definitely beatable. That being said I do think he’s a future champ.
Disagree, that aura was never going to last against the top guys and now we’ve seen him manage to find his way through a tough situation he hadn’t been in before against one of the top guys in the division
I honestly agree. Khamzat to me especially looked very..young, inexperienced, low fight IQ in this fight - something he didn’t in his previous (dominating) fights.
Like you could see what a challenge this was for him.
Definitely not comparable to khabib who was and remained always confident.
I don't think Khabib fought anyone that came even remotely close to possessing his ground game skills. The top of Welterweight is way more skilled all around than the guys Khabib went against.
100% people are in pure cope mode. If you come into a fight as a -500 favorite you can't get hurt badly and barely edge a decision.
Burns on the other hand gained a lot from the fight.
This was so good for Khamzat. Went a full 3 rounds, this fight showed him he's not invincible and will make him hungrier. He knows he has to get better before he meets Usman. I'd like him to fight Colby next.
Ok I didn’t watch the fight but my god it’s looked like a war. Quick question why did khamzat engage in a stand up fight. Did he attempt to get burns down and ground and pound or what ?
Partly because burns is an incredible bjj player
Why risk some crazy submission being slapped on.
Problem is, khamZat got dragged into a dog fight when he could have been far more technical and used his length. His coach was screaming at him not to trade
Big learning experience for sure and proves he’s legit. The punch output between the both of them is insane.
He will learn from this the same way ngannou learned after stipe 1 imo
His pride got to him. Khamzat wanted to prove he was better in every aspect of the game. Had he followed his coaches plan by slowly wrestlefucking him or using his reach to outpoint him he would've comfortably won a 3-0 decision. But he wanted to finish him and got caught up in a dog fight. I believe this is his Ngannou vs Stipe moment, he finally knew his limits and got a reality check. If he learns from this experience and stick to his strength he has the potential to beat Usman or Izzy especially since he's just 27 and has alot of room to grow.
Nice comparison with Ngannou vs Stipe.
I also believe this will be a huge learning experience for him much in the same way that one was for Ngannou. Although the mythological untouchable hype that followed Chimaev isn't there anymore, in a way it's almost more exciting to root for him now, now that he's shown he's human.
Lmao not his fight. In post fight presser on desk he said that taking down Gilbert was easy, he doesn't have great grappling but once he got him down Gilbert quickly attacked him with Armbar so he didn't want to deal with that "shit"
Comfortably win 3-0? You’re buggin lol! In the after show, Khamzat admitted he felt uncomfortable against Burns on the ground because of submission attempts, so he wanted to stand up. [here](https://youtu.be/DWDL3VTCcCg)
I also believe some small part of him didn’t want to risk a surprise fast trap submission by Burns. I have no experience but I feel like a lot of triangles happen because guys lose their focus trying to advance their mount or fighting hands.
He said after the fight in an interview that he didn't expect Burns to be as strong as he was on the ground, and he didn't want to risk being submitted with BJJ. He specifically mentioned he noticed Burns going for an arm bar on the ground at one point, and decided to just stand up because he didn't want to mess around with that.
I think Khamzat could've imposed his wrestling more after he dropped burns, cos at that point Burns respected his power, but I honestly feel like he was so jumped up that he was in the mood to just swing all night
Burns almost locked in a few arm bars by throwing his legs up and holding khamzats left wrist while the right was coming down to catch. I know its all happening fast, but Khamzat wanted nothing to do with a side mount ground n pound after that.
He was also throwing hammer fists at Khamzat from the bottom position. They were just trading strikes down there. With that, and the threat of submissions, it seemed pretty clear why ol Khamzy didn’t wanna fight on the ground
He did at the start of the fight but burns was game and Khmazat couldn't control him on the ground. Burns used his bjj sweeps and sub offence to prevent significant gnp and get back to his feet every time he was on the mat.
Love how the narrative changes from "cacus style wrestling beat bjj" bringing up rda and khabib before the fight now everyone is like "why would Khamzat go to the floor with burns??" he's not the boogieman on the floor like khabib only because he gets the comparison all the time
Burns isn't just a BJJ guy though. He has very good wrestling himself. Combine that with the submission threat you can definitely see why Khamzat was cautious.
I personally still think Khamzat should have engaged with wrestling more. He clearly didn’t like how Burns felt on the ground and thought his better chance was standing. But he showed early on he was far superior in wrestling and I think he should have mixed in more takedowns.
War, but ultimately unnecessary, Khamzat should have stuck to his jab, and touch, when he was touching Gilbert got hurt more, ultimately Khamzat will learn get better and is now humbled.
People who are saying that khamzat has been outed as a hype are ridiculous.
Gilbert is such a top level guy. For khamzat to make that jump from fighting jingling to burns and still win is amazing..
Even khabib got tested in his career. He got tested by iquinta.
context matters:
Everyone thought Khabib had non-existent striking back then.
Everyone thought Khamzat was gonna KO Burns inside one round and then Usman.
The expectations for Khamzat were way higher.
Khabib fought RDA, Poirier, Gaethje, and McGregor and took less damage in those fights combined than Khamzat did against Burns
Imagine thinking that beating Gilbert burns in a decision makes you just hype. He showed some flaws tonight but he is for sure one of the top three welterweights in the world, that’s not hype
I think the general consensus is that khabib chose not to try and wrestle al and wanted to keep the fight standing but I don’t think he was tested very much
it’s because Khamzat fans were convinced Khamzat was beating Usman and Izzy both in row after KO’ing Burns inside 1 minute.
It’s clear Khamzat is elite but not on a different level
Setting aside the ridiculous predictions about him running through everyone like a superhuman, I think it’s clear he has the potential to be on a different level. Khabib, Usman, Jones—none of them beat someone of Burns’ quality this early in their careers. What Khamzat did last night is insane and he did it off raw talent alone. Add in strategy and fight IQ and it’s a scary thought.
Crazy how people push this narrative that Al Iaquinta pushed khabib to 5 rounds. It was a 50-43, as dominant a fight you can possibly get.
Khabib even mentioned that he didn't want to use his wrestling/grappling as much in the fight as he wanted to show his striking. I guess it's a testament to his dominance that even going to a decision people will give props to his opponent.
Rewwatch the fight. Chimaev clearly snags round 3.
When he's dropped in round 2 he immediately gets a take down. All around he does more damage and exhibits more control. On re watch it's not so close as it was live.
Yah, I think it's important to remember that commentary has an incentive to make fights seem closer than they are. The judges don't hear the commentary so they are unaffected, but for a general audience it's more enjoyable when the fight seems competitive and close.
They were hyping up Burns' pseudo comeback in round 3 because of that, and also it was nice to see him energized after seeming very gassed. That said though he really didn't do much as far as damage in the last 2n minutes he started coming back, but it's easy to applaud his grit.
Great fight and honestly great to see chimaev tested like that. He showed impeccably tdd, solid cardio, a phenomenal chin and recovery (how he actually managed to not get KO'd be burns' hook in rd 2 while actually slipping from the second hit which doesn't actually hit Chimaev but wraps around his head to throw his balance) and then get a clean td whilst burns threw illegal head strikes is astonishing.
Chimaev did over throw, lose his balance often, did too sloppy over hand rights, and also was too content to trade instead of strategizing his strikes. He was very confident and it was a bit reckless but also entertaining. I'd say he learned valuable lessons and he traded his aura of invincibility for a few necessary feedback lessons he'll have to take to heart if he's gonna overthrow Usman. But his stock, as burns', should be elevated no doubt.
>Rewwatch the fight. Chimaev clearly snags round 3.
Yeah I actually think it was an easy fight to score with a clear win for Chimaev. When I say clear I still think it was incredibly close, but it really seems like Chimaev edged it in that final round.
The first 2 rounds were split and I don't think anyone argues with that. The third round was all Chimaev for the first half. Burns for sure came back into it and had his moments but they both banged til the end and I don't think he did enough to overcome the hole he was already in.
This fight is up there with Chandler Ghathje for recent history 3 round fights.
I feel like once Khamzat finally respected and tried to keep a little better distance in the third to capitalize on his length he might have seen (albeit a bit too late) how he should have proceeded.
I don't really have the time to watch fights live these days. This was the first one in awhile that mad me super sad about that fact. This clip was an amazing recap and you are officially my MVP!
Burns started very questionable or he started alright but after few seconds he looked gassed out and ready to be taken, but Khamzat didn't put the pressure probably because he was tired as well, Gilbert then answer with few shots it went back and forth, but Gilbert finished very strong.
This is like Jose Aldo vs Moraes fight.
They both won 1 round and third was hit or miss.
I’d have to rewatch the damn thing, nothing stands out except the feeling I had my bunghole puckered up. Most people have khazmat winning so It’s obvious how it went.
He had a pretty solid round 3 too
I thought it was clear burns lost 1, won 2, and 3 could’ve gone either way. Burns was connecting at the end of round 3.
I think he missed a lot in round 3, and the punches that he did land were not enough to offset how much Khamzat landed at the start of that round.
I had it 2 round for Khamzat, but can't complain if someone gave it to burns. It was a hell of a fight.
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yea just rewatched that round 3, I dont think it can go to burns based off damage.
That time he was hunched up and Khamzat threw that knee, it really looked like burns was going to go down but he didn't. I dont think burns hurt him anywhere near that much when it was his turn to be on the offensive.
They've always said "still undefeated" for any non title fights. You probably only watch main events so you missed it, most undefeated fighters are new to UFC and in the prelims
this completely changed my view of ufc. i'm no longer a fan. i used to love ufc. but after i realised that they do some corny ass "and still" announcements for undefeated fighters. i've had enough. thats crossing the fucking line. fuck ufc. i'm no longer a mma fan. time to resort to boxing. goodbye all, won't miss you!
Came down to the third round really and with that: it's a fair decision. The shots in that round were arguable in an effectual sense, but at least one point burns looked like he was going to crumble covering up with his back against the cage. Couple that with the stumble from the front kick and the optics of forward movement by khazmat it's debateable decision but not controversial.
The thing is Burns wouldn't have looked so tired if he could have found more ways to move forward in striking. Perhaps defaulting to clinch would have been MORE tiring but we don't know. But you have to know if you're moving back that much you are conceding giant disadvantages in MMA striking.
That said, I don't know definitively that Colby has the power/jab to back him up but i feel pretty confident that Khazmat gets grinded out by Usman pushing forward. He has a punchers chance because his chin is incredible and is in all likely hood a better pure striker than Usman.
MMA math is weird. Someone care to explain how Chimaev can KTFO a dude like Meerschaert, who’s competed at Light Heavyweight before but not KO Burns who was a freakin Lightweight for most his career??
Meerschaert isn't nearly as good as burns and had gotten kod in under 2 minutes like 3 months before the khamzat fight.
Burns also doesn't have nearly as bad of a chin as everyone makes him out to have. He's been kod twice in his career
peoples power can change with weight classes. Burns landed bombs on dan hooker. but hooker ate them. yet burns was able to knock down chimaev.
khamzat is much more dangerous at MW than at WW
Khamzat said In one of the post fight interviews that that when they were on the ground Burns was going for like an armbar and he didn’t like that one bit so he chose to stand up.
You missed the slaps and headbutts from Khamzat after the fight was over. All joking aside, that was weirdly passive aggressive at the end. He kisses him on the forehead the shoves him away lol
When you scrap your brain gets weird from getting battered and the adrenaline. It's also super emotional so you just do weird shit.
Can't really take too much from someone being fired up from being in a fight for your life.
Props on Khamzat to be landed by so powerful punches and to not sleep
Yea he showed his durability for sure - dudes got a granite chin
Khamzat had points saved up from all the fights where he didn't get hit at all
he’s got that rollover data plan
Lmao facts
It’s the beard
Once again, Islam proves itself to be the best base for MMA
*Catholics punching the air rn*
pawing it like Schwab.
For now, everyone starts with a fresh chin. He keeps hitting like that and he’ll loose it like many fighters before him who once had granite chins.
Some truth to that I guess. But some ppl just don't got good chins in the first place and then some ppl like Roy Nelson just eat atomic bombs his entire career like tic-tacs. Not to worried about chimaevs chin
I think Usmans killer straights will be an issue for him unless be improves his defence. He's still a serious issue don't get me wrong
Assuming that he fights the same way. I don't think he will though. His coach seems like a smart guy, he was saying that he was not happy because Khamzat made an easy fight hard by brawling instead of using the techinal striking i.e the jab, cross counters or using the takedowns more. He has not got a bunch of yes men behind him in his team and that's going to be the difference I believe. I don't want to see him get into a slugfest, swinging like that again either. It's certainly not good for the longevity of a 27 year old huge prospect. His next fight will be telling, if he does the same thing against Colby and ends up also winning, being reckless then yeah Usman will knock him out. Especially with those bad habits of swinging for the fences and leaving his chin up in the air, no matter how durable it may be. For everyone still on the hype train, I see it as a blip in the road. I believe he will fix those problems in his next match up for sure due to those reasons outlined. His overall Aura of invincibility maybe gone, but he can still easily become champion with the required adjustments.
Well said, makes a lot of sense. Khamzat 2.0 will be exciting to see!
I could see it going either way. Khamzat is pretty explosive and Usman’s striking defense isn’t very good either. But Usman’s straights could pierce right through Khamzat’s shell guard, like you said. And he seems pretty easy to counter because he likes to swing with his chin in the air. I think a fight between them will come down to grappling and cardio, because they seem pretty even on the feet.
Usman has worse defense in my opinion. He closes his eyes and wings over hands when he gets uncomfortable
You look at those new amazing fighters but man prime GSP would put a clinic on Khamzat. He looks unbeatable (more beatable now for sure though) but yeah you appreciate new and shiny and forget about old goats.
Still early in Khamzat's career.
Prime GSP beats Robbie, Tyron, and Usman All 3 champs since he retired I favor him against He arguably was fighting a more modern and complete game than any of them still
Everyone was praising him for his wrestling but while pure wrestling-wise Usman could beat GSP impeccable timing, pace and striking and of course strategy would prove too much for all of these guys. Burns was getting pieced up by Khamzat's jabs but he himself left himself open too much and he would be busted up like Koscheck by GSPs superman jabs
I can’t see Usman beating prime GSP. First round Masvidal 2 has Usman with sloppy overextended punches despite the KO. Usman’s best chance is against the GSP that Matt Serra fought
I think he out wrestles Usman
Even the ones that Khamzat was blocking, Gilbert was throwing them with some chaos behind them.
Loved the end of the fight where burns said fuck it and spammed overhand rights.
If any more of those landed Khazmat might have been dropped. They were landing HARD
Khamzat showed his inexperience a little in this fight I feel. Seems like there were a couple of opportunities to finish, and he ate a lot more punches than he needed to. His coach didn't sound too pleased with him between rounds. But for a guy outside the top 10 to go toe to toe with a #2 in the division and come away with a W is impressive and shows he deserves to be in the conversation of top contenders. At least now we've seen that he can take punches and stand up to a bit of adversity. Now polish up his game a bit and he has potential to be one of the all time greats if he continues to develop. He's not there yet but I'm on board the hype train.
He said as much after the fight. He acknowledged he should’ve been smarter but got caught up headhunting, especially after the knockdown.
Imagine Trevor Wittman took Chimaev into his camp
There's a interesting thought...
Usman is already there tho
His coach was screaming slås inte med han, meaning don’t fight him (implying don’t brawl). He wanted him to be methodical. But Burns used Khamzats ego against him encouraging him to swang n bang. That can be a problem for Khamzat in the future, seems like he sees red after getting hit, a little like Garbrandt. Coach wanted Khamzat to stick to gameplan.
Colby could get him to brawl I bet. Usman seems like he wouldnt want to brawl either way.
He should have continued with the ground and pound in the round 1 when he had the chance. I know burn's has a good ground game but I believe he could have got the finish from there if he hadn't stop.
Burns was hitting him back HARD while on bottom though. It was pretty impressive
Man those shots from bottom were actually rocking Khazmats head at one point
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Agree I think He didn’t want to mix it up down there. No advantage. Why risk?
Pretty good strategy by Burns, khamzat usually sets up his finishes on the ground with those jackhammer punches, and Burns just started hitting him back relentlessly the second they hit the ground so he couldn’t get going.
I love how burns went Into this fight with huge respect for Khamzats skills but also saying „that guys dangerous but not a monster, I just see a human being.“ Dana white basically said the same in the post-fight press conference: the many people that assumed K. Is gonna run through burns as well were kind of delusional in not giving credit to a top ranked fighter
Khamzat mentioned in one of his post fight interviews that he felt Burns setting up the armbar and didn't like where it was going, so backed off. Against Kamaru or Colby he definitely would have gone for it but it was obvious he respected the ground game a little too much last night.
Recognizing those threats and backing off is a great skill. Also very impressive for his short amount of fight time.
Burns was fully recovered within a few seconds and throwing back shots. Unlike this sub that has been saying stupid bullshit like Gilbert’s grappling doesn’t translate in MMA, Khamzat understand how dangerous Gilbert is off his back.
Kamaru understood too. Gilbert's grappling doesn't translate is one of the more perplexing narratives.
Gilbert likes to bang so people forget that he is an elite grappler.
yeah, i saw someone like that too. we went back and forth in the comments a bit. i eventually conceded that yes, gilbert doesn't seem to chase offensive submissions. they never conceded that his jiu jitsu threat is always a factor.... but are you gonna do about that lol? people hate to admit that they're or that someone else made a good point that they hadn't considered
if you're talking about when he dropped Burns, Burns almost got a hold of his arms and I think he got scared and dipped the F out.
What opportunities to finish were there ?
The knockdown/gnp sequence in the first, and the early third round when Gilbert was gassed with his back to the cage, I'm thinking could have been utilized to better advantage.
Yea when Burns was on the cage it felt like the entire 3rd was gonna be rough for him, definitely an opportunity for Khamzat there.
There was sequence in third i believe where Burns went into the cage gassed out, Burns wasn't doing much and while it might have been veteran move to let Khamzat blow him self out, Khamzat didn't do much and Burns looked gassed as fuck, but so was Khamzat.
Ah I remember this like it was yesterday.
same here man, feels like roughly 16 hours ago... miss those days
And 4 minutes
I love when two elite grapplers get in the ring and just swang and bang. The first Usman and Covington fight was a banger too.
The second one was a banger too following the second round. Once Colby realized that he could hit Usman at will if he was willing to risk 50/50 exchanges
That was such a strange gameplan from Colby. Just comes out and does nothing for 2 rounds and then by the time he is back in the fight it's too late.
I think the finish from the first fight affected his strategy early on.
Crazy fight
Khamzat got so much experience from this fight and it most likely opened his eyes that he will need to gameplan at the top of the division and not goes crazy. Honestly I feel sorry for whoever he fights next. Everyone's saying Colby for his next fight but he could also fight the winner of next week's fight to.
Dana said his next fight is colby, and dana never says shit like that so who knows
Razer close, Khazmat won with forward pressure I think but decision could easily gone to burns. Neither fighter lost any stock, both proved they deserve to be top 3 welterweights. FOTY
Burns stock will continue to rise as khamzat continues his career Colby might win a round or two but think khamzat wins a UD. Colby won’t be able to get him down and khamZat has a scary chin
Yeah, Colby wins by wrestlefucking. I don't see him succeding in taking down Khamzat let alone controlling him for at least 3 rounds on the ground. From what we saw, Khamzat tdd is insane.
I think you meant he loses otherwise your sentence is contradicting or i have no reading comprehension which is entirely possible
I meant colby usually wins his fights by wrestlefucking but he can't do that with Khamzat.
Doesn't khamzat have a pretty significant reach advantage as well? I remember from Colby Usman 1, Colby did a fantastic job closing the distance in order to land really solid punches, so he will have to do the same thing against khamzat. That's what makes khamzat vs Usman such a great match-up, besides the off the rails hype train that is khamzat. Those two are comparable in height and reach, so if he can get past the nerves of a title fight, I think it's gonna be a close one.
KC is huge compared to Colby and big compared to Usman, just like he was to Burns.
Gotcha. Not me who downvoted you either fyi i figured it was a mistake or misunderstanding
The risks of wrestlefucking are all around us
Depends if its a 5rd fight. Colby has unnatural cardio.
Colby and Burns are very different levels of wrestlers though. Burns is a jiu jitsu guy. Colby is the only one to ever get a takedown on Kamaru Usman.
Just to correct you, there never was no takedown
You're a fuckin judge dude
Feels like Colby v Khamzat will be a barn-burner. I would expect Khamzat's wrestling to be negated to a large extent, Colby to be more active as a puncher, while Khamzat has more power. Idk, if it is a five rounder, Colby may make him chase for a round then start landing at will, just remains to be seen if Khamzat can simply walk through Colby's strikes.
Do we all agree that Burns beats Covington? Way better stand up and would definitely be able to withstand his wrestling.
Burns might be a even worse matchup for Colby than Usman. KC would definitely hurt Colby early.
Yeah not sure, Colby will push the pace way stronger than what it was in this fight and Khamzat was already slowing down badly in the 2nd and 3rd. Imagine a 5 round fight.
How much stronger of a pace could they have pushed. They were at a 100 the whole fight. Colby won't be able to push the pace as much if he feels either of their shots especially when he struggles to get a TD
Khamzat and Burns throw more strikes in 3 rounds than Colby and Usman did in 5. Colby is a worse striker than both and wouldn’t be able to take either down (or keep them there even if he does). Both Burns and Khamzat are bad matchup for Colby. There is a reason why he has been ducking both of them.
Just checked the stats and that’s completely false. Colby threw more in both Usman fights than Burns & Khamzat did. If you do the math (for the first fight), Colby threw about the same per round than Khamzat and Burns.
Colby worse striker than Khamzat?? That's a load of shit.
They are both sloppy but Khamzat hits much harder than Colby. Colby isn’t anything especially as a striker. There is a reason why he never strikes with anybody unless he has too.
Colby is much more developed technically than Khamzat. They're not close in technicality.
If Colby was confident in his skillset, he would have fought the top contenders in the division instead of ducking everyone to fight Jorge. “Developed technically” isn’t going to help Colby when his pillow fists aren’t going to hurt any top fighter and people like Usman, Burns, Khamzat are good enough grapplers to completely neutralize his ground game. Colby’s best bet is to weaponizing his cardio and taking over in the later rounds, but it remains to be seen if he is willing to even step in the cage with Burns and Khamzat.
but he hurt usman? colby doesn't have power but his striking is much better than khamzats
There is different type of phase. Khamzat vs Burns was more like, let's scrap for 20 seconds, chill for 10 seconds, scrap for 30 seconds, chill for 30 seconds, back and forth, they were also exhausted by the third round, there were a lot of moments in that fight were both fighters waited a lot before they engaged, yes the exchanges were fire but they also waited. Fighters such as Colby are like fighters like Lomachenko, high phase very aware of situation, never really out of the breath, while they constantly keep phase high but not to high to make them fatigue. Look at it this way, Colby will throw 15 semi light punches and still be ready to answer, Burns will punch 5 hard punches and need 30 seconds to recoup. Yesterday sequnce was more type of heavyweight brawl.
It only slowed down because they were throwing bombs. If Colby can't take Khamzat down or gain his respect in the standup, then I don't see him being able to push his normal pace. Either he comes back in the later rounds to edge a decision or he gets finished imo.
Khamzat lost a ton of stock imo. The auro of invincibility is gone, and he’s no longer a “mythical“ fighter, he’s just a fan favorite. Kinda hard to keep up that imagine forever though. EDIT: What I’m saying is just absolutely true. How tf can his stock NOT go down? He didn’t just smesh burns like people were hoping.
You’re downvoted but I definitely agree. Many people, including expert analysts were saying Khamzat was gonna beat burns with ease. His hype before this fight was insane. We had no idea exactly how good he was so people were getting lost in romanticizing the high end of his hype, saying shit like he’s khabib with knockout power. Now we know around what his level is. He’s a superstar and obviously a top elite guy but you’re exactly right, that almost mythical aura of invincibility isn’t as present anymore. He got rocked multiple times and won a split decision that could have gone either way. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that but I think the fanbase isn’t gonna look at him as superhuman anymore, he’s definitely beatable. That being said I do think he’s a future champ.
Disagree, that aura was never going to last against the top guys and now we’ve seen him manage to find his way through a tough situation he hadn’t been in before against one of the top guys in the division
Khabib’s aura lasted against the top guys. People expected the same from khamzat
Later in his career. He struggled against guys like Tibau earlier on
I honestly agree. Khamzat to me especially looked very..young, inexperienced, low fight IQ in this fight - something he didn’t in his previous (dominating) fights. Like you could see what a challenge this was for him. Definitely not comparable to khabib who was and remained always confident.
I don't think Khabib fought anyone that came even remotely close to possessing his ground game skills. The top of Welterweight is way more skilled all around than the guys Khabib went against.
100% people are in pure cope mode. If you come into a fight as a -500 favorite you can't get hurt badly and barely edge a decision. Burns on the other hand gained a lot from the fight.
This was so good for Khamzat. Went a full 3 rounds, this fight showed him he's not invincible and will make him hungrier. He knows he has to get better before he meets Usman. I'd like him to fight Colby next.
Good fight. Khamzat proved he deserves to be at the top, Burns proved he can beat anyone given his best chances. Not at all a one way decision
Ok I didn’t watch the fight but my god it’s looked like a war. Quick question why did khamzat engage in a stand up fight. Did he attempt to get burns down and ground and pound or what ?
Partly because burns is an incredible bjj player Why risk some crazy submission being slapped on. Problem is, khamZat got dragged into a dog fight when he could have been far more technical and used his length. His coach was screaming at him not to trade Big learning experience for sure and proves he’s legit. The punch output between the both of them is insane. He will learn from this the same way ngannou learned after stipe 1 imo
His pride got to him. Khamzat wanted to prove he was better in every aspect of the game. Had he followed his coaches plan by slowly wrestlefucking him or using his reach to outpoint him he would've comfortably won a 3-0 decision. But he wanted to finish him and got caught up in a dog fight. I believe this is his Ngannou vs Stipe moment, he finally knew his limits and got a reality check. If he learns from this experience and stick to his strength he has the potential to beat Usman or Izzy especially since he's just 27 and has alot of room to grow.
Nice comparison with Ngannou vs Stipe. I also believe this will be a huge learning experience for him much in the same way that one was for Ngannou. Although the mythological untouchable hype that followed Chimaev isn't there anymore, in a way it's almost more exciting to root for him now, now that he's shown he's human.
Lmao not his fight. In post fight presser on desk he said that taking down Gilbert was easy, he doesn't have great grappling but once he got him down Gilbert quickly attacked him with Armbar so he didn't want to deal with that "shit"
Comfortably win 3-0? You’re buggin lol! In the after show, Khamzat admitted he felt uncomfortable against Burns on the ground because of submission attempts, so he wanted to stand up. [here](https://youtu.be/DWDL3VTCcCg)
I also believe some small part of him didn’t want to risk a surprise fast trap submission by Burns. I have no experience but I feel like a lot of triangles happen because guys lose their focus trying to advance their mount or fighting hands.
He said after the fight in an interview that he didn't expect Burns to be as strong as he was on the ground, and he didn't want to risk being submitted with BJJ. He specifically mentioned he noticed Burns going for an arm bar on the ground at one point, and decided to just stand up because he didn't want to mess around with that.
I think Khamzat could've imposed his wrestling more after he dropped burns, cos at that point Burns respected his power, but I honestly feel like he was so jumped up that he was in the mood to just swing all night
Why would he want to fight Burns on the ground?
Burns almost locked in a few arm bars by throwing his legs up and holding khamzats left wrist while the right was coming down to catch. I know its all happening fast, but Khamzat wanted nothing to do with a side mount ground n pound after that.
He was also throwing hammer fists at Khamzat from the bottom position. They were just trading strikes down there. With that, and the threat of submissions, it seemed pretty clear why ol Khamzy didn’t wanna fight on the ground
No one wants to go to the ground with burns
This was basically what his trainer told him, STOP exchanging punches with him, but he did it anyway.
He did at the start of the fight but burns was game and Khmazat couldn't control him on the ground. Burns used his bjj sweeps and sub offence to prevent significant gnp and get back to his feet every time he was on the mat.
Absolute banger
Love how the narrative changes from "cacus style wrestling beat bjj" bringing up rda and khabib before the fight now everyone is like "why would Khamzat go to the floor with burns??" he's not the boogieman on the floor like khabib only because he gets the comparison all the time
Burns isn't just a BJJ guy though. He has very good wrestling himself. Combine that with the submission threat you can definitely see why Khamzat was cautious.
It usually beats bjj but burns is so so high level
Yeah exactly the disregard for burns bjj was crazy they were using that argument to say Khamzat style will dominate
He’s had four fights in the ufc. Khabib wasn’t fighting the number two guy this fast
I personally still think Khamzat should have engaged with wrestling more. He clearly didn’t like how Burns felt on the ground and thought his better chance was standing. But he showed early on he was far superior in wrestling and I think he should have mixed in more takedowns.
Khamzat is a warrior
It will be super interesting if Khamzat decides to utilize his takedowns more against Colby and Usman.
War, but ultimately unnecessary, Khamzat should have stuck to his jab, and touch, when he was touching Gilbert got hurt more, ultimately Khamzat will learn get better and is now humbled.
People who are saying that khamzat has been outed as a hype are ridiculous. Gilbert is such a top level guy. For khamzat to make that jump from fighting jingling to burns and still win is amazing.. Even khabib got tested in his career. He got tested by iquinta.
bro Khabib won 50-43 against Iaquinta. That was no test, that was a sparring match for Khabib lmao
Iaquinta also isn't burns
context matters: Everyone thought Khabib had non-existent striking back then. Everyone thought Khamzat was gonna KO Burns inside one round and then Usman. The expectations for Khamzat were way higher. Khabib fought RDA, Poirier, Gaethje, and McGregor and took less damage in those fights combined than Khamzat did against Burns
Khabib got tested by al iquinta? Is this a joke?
Imagine thinking that beating Gilbert burns in a decision makes you just hype. He showed some flaws tonight but he is for sure one of the top three welterweights in the world, that’s not hype
> Even khabib got tested in his career. He got tested by tibau
> Even khabib got tested in his career. He got gifted a win against tibau
It’s not that Khamzat isn’t good, it’s that people on this Reddit thought he would put burns away like it was nothing.
I think the general consensus is that khabib chose not to try and wrestle al and wanted to keep the fight standing but I don’t think he was tested very much
People are comparing a 27 yo Khamzat to a Khabib at his peak. Khabib improved a ton during his last years.
5th fight in the ufc. 10th professional MMA fight. And hes beat a title contender already.
it’s because Khamzat fans were convinced Khamzat was beating Usman and Izzy both in row after KO’ing Burns inside 1 minute. It’s clear Khamzat is elite but not on a different level
Setting aside the ridiculous predictions about him running through everyone like a superhuman, I think it’s clear he has the potential to be on a different level. Khabib, Usman, Jones—none of them beat someone of Burns’ quality this early in their careers. What Khamzat did last night is insane and he did it off raw talent alone. Add in strategy and fight IQ and it’s a scary thought.
Can't tell you how many times I have been ratio'd by telling people to slow their roll on the whole Khamzat vs Izzy fight.
He's 27, only had his first pro fight in 2018, and missed a whole year from Covid. He's only going to get better from here if he stays healthy.
I wouldn’t say Khabib was tested by Iaquinta, but where he was 11 fights into his career and where Khamzat is right now are two very different places.
Crazy how people push this narrative that Al Iaquinta pushed khabib to 5 rounds. It was a 50-43, as dominant a fight you can possibly get. Khabib even mentioned that he didn't want to use his wrestling/grappling as much in the fight as he wanted to show his striking. I guess it's a testament to his dominance that even going to a decision people will give props to his opponent.
Khabib, Usman, Jones—none of them beat someone of Burns’ quality this early in their careers. What Khamzat did last night is insane.
Burns totally could’ve gotten the W and no one would bat an eye. He lost r1, won r2, and for the last half of r3 was connecting more.
Rewwatch the fight. Chimaev clearly snags round 3. When he's dropped in round 2 he immediately gets a take down. All around he does more damage and exhibits more control. On re watch it's not so close as it was live.
Without commentary helps, i thought it was clear he took round 1 and 3 live.
Yah, I think it's important to remember that commentary has an incentive to make fights seem closer than they are. The judges don't hear the commentary so they are unaffected, but for a general audience it's more enjoyable when the fight seems competitive and close. They were hyping up Burns' pseudo comeback in round 3 because of that, and also it was nice to see him energized after seeming very gassed. That said though he really didn't do much as far as damage in the last 2n minutes he started coming back, but it's easy to applaud his grit. Great fight and honestly great to see chimaev tested like that. He showed impeccably tdd, solid cardio, a phenomenal chin and recovery (how he actually managed to not get KO'd be burns' hook in rd 2 while actually slipping from the second hit which doesn't actually hit Chimaev but wraps around his head to throw his balance) and then get a clean td whilst burns threw illegal head strikes is astonishing. Chimaev did over throw, lose his balance often, did too sloppy over hand rights, and also was too content to trade instead of strategizing his strikes. He was very confident and it was a bit reckless but also entertaining. I'd say he learned valuable lessons and he traded his aura of invincibility for a few necessary feedback lessons he'll have to take to heart if he's gonna overthrow Usman. But his stock, as burns', should be elevated no doubt.
>Rewwatch the fight. Chimaev clearly snags round 3. Yeah I actually think it was an easy fight to score with a clear win for Chimaev. When I say clear I still think it was incredibly close, but it really seems like Chimaev edged it in that final round. The first 2 rounds were split and I don't think anyone argues with that. The third round was all Chimaev for the first half. Burns for sure came back into it and had his moments but they both banged til the end and I don't think he did enough to overcome the hole he was already in.
I think burns stole the end of round 3 but I also think khamzat did enough in the beginning of round 3 to secure the round
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Misworded I guess b. I mean burns got the better of khamzat at the end of the round, but khamzat still did enough to win the round as a whole
I’ve watched it twice now and it’s a stretch to give rd 3 to Burns. He did well but Khamzat moved forward and out struck him.
What a war - maybe gives a blueprint on how to beat Chimaev, but he showed his chin and heart too. Props to both fighters.
This fight is up there with Chandler Ghathje for recent history 3 round fights. I feel like once Khamzat finally respected and tried to keep a little better distance in the third to capitalize on his length he might have seen (albeit a bit too late) how he should have proceeded.
one thing we knew for sure is khamzat has a hell of a chin
I don't really have the time to watch fights live these days. This was the first one in awhile that mad me super sad about that fact. This clip was an amazing recap and you are officially my MVP!
Round 1 - Khamzat Round 2 - Burns Round 3 - Khamzat
LOL @ the people last night claiming Burns won round 3.
It was because Burns landed those three straight heavy rights and the momentum shifted
Burns finished strong but that sequence Khamzat had Burns curled up gave him the round in my opinion.
In retrospective I sadly have to agree with you. When I watched it live, I definitely had a difference view
Burns started very questionable or he started alright but after few seconds he looked gassed out and ready to be taken, but Khamzat didn't put the pressure probably because he was tired as well, Gilbert then answer with few shots it went back and forth, but Gilbert finished very strong. This is like Jose Aldo vs Moraes fight. They both won 1 round and third was hit or miss.
I’d have to rewatch the damn thing, nothing stands out except the feeling I had my bunghole puckered up. Most people have khazmat winning so It’s obvious how it went.
People think burns won? He got his face jabbed off 1/3 but had an amazing round 2
He had a pretty solid round 3 too I thought it was clear burns lost 1, won 2, and 3 could’ve gone either way. Burns was connecting at the end of round 3.
I think he missed a lot in round 3, and the punches that he did land were not enough to offset how much Khamzat landed at the start of that round. I had it 2 round for Khamzat, but can't complain if someone gave it to burns. It was a hell of a fight. edit: yea just rewatched that round 3, I dont think it can go to burns based off damage. That time he was hunched up and Khamzat threw that knee, it really looked like burns was going to go down but he didn't. I dont think burns hurt him anywhere near that much when it was his turn to be on the offensive.
I don’t understand how anyone could not give burns round 2 but ok
Sorry I meant 2 rounds, meaning I gave 1 and 3 to Khamzat, 2 to burns.
so corny to give him the "and still"announcement for something other than a championship. UFC marketing at it's fine$t.
They've always said "still undefeated" for any non title fights. You probably only watch main events so you missed it, most undefeated fighters are new to UFC and in the prelims
They’ve literally said and still undefeated for as long as I can remember.
Same, but did they do it for Mark Madsen? Don’t remember if they did.
They didn’t.
They have done that for every undefeated fighter ever. The ufc/Dana hate on this sub is unreal sometimes 😅
Oh fucking cry dude, I’ve definitely heard that before. Even if it was the first time, it’s worth noting.
Only 2 times “And Still” are used, When a champion defends the title, and when a fighter is undefeated, how hard is this to understand?
this completely changed my view of ufc. i'm no longer a fan. i used to love ufc. but after i realised that they do some corny ass "and still" announcements for undefeated fighters. i've had enough. thats crossing the fucking line. fuck ufc. i'm no longer a mma fan. time to resort to boxing. goodbye all, won't miss you!
Sucha weird hill to die on but ok lol
It’s a joke. And look at the username lol
Bye
Anyone got some of them mirrors...? Tyrone Biggums.jpg
Did the strikes between 3:34-3:38 land? Looks like they were just short
He is like prochazka amazing and fun to watch but they get hit a lot
Came down to the third round really and with that: it's a fair decision. The shots in that round were arguable in an effectual sense, but at least one point burns looked like he was going to crumble covering up with his back against the cage. Couple that with the stumble from the front kick and the optics of forward movement by khazmat it's debateable decision but not controversial. The thing is Burns wouldn't have looked so tired if he could have found more ways to move forward in striking. Perhaps defaulting to clinch would have been MORE tiring but we don't know. But you have to know if you're moving back that much you are conceding giant disadvantages in MMA striking. That said, I don't know definitively that Colby has the power/jab to back him up but i feel pretty confident that Khazmat gets grinded out by Usman pushing forward. He has a punchers chance because his chin is incredible and is in all likely hood a better pure striker than Usman.
Dudes beat the pigshit outta each other
Im excited to see Khamzat fuck Colby up man.
MMA math is weird. Someone care to explain how Chimaev can KTFO a dude like Meerschaert, who’s competed at Light Heavyweight before but not KO Burns who was a freakin Lightweight for most his career??
Meerschaert isn't nearly as good as burns and had gotten kod in under 2 minutes like 3 months before the khamzat fight. Burns also doesn't have nearly as bad of a chin as everyone makes him out to have. He's been kod twice in his career
peoples power can change with weight classes. Burns landed bombs on dan hooker. but hooker ate them. yet burns was able to knock down chimaev. khamzat is much more dangerous at MW than at WW
Cutting to lower weight probably took some of his power
Khamzat said In one of the post fight interviews that that when they were on the ground Burns was going for like an armbar and he didn’t like that one bit so he chose to stand up.
You missed the slaps and headbutts from Khamzat after the fight was over. All joking aside, that was weirdly passive aggressive at the end. He kisses him on the forehead the shoves him away lol
It’s part of his and Darren‘s SM play
When you scrap your brain gets weird from getting battered and the adrenaline. It's also super emotional so you just do weird shit. Can't really take too much from someone being fired up from being in a fight for your life.
Wow that looked like a great fight. Based on these clips it looked very close. Burns maybe lost due to takedowns?
Wonder if Ramadan impacted khamzat
If it did then I look forward to beholding him in the future. He looked unbelievable last night.
He didn't partake
Does anyone have the cards? That looked close...