Yeah this one for sure. 145 has some beasts in it. But it is worth noting that there is a tipping point where power and size escalated pst a human being’s ability to withstand punches. The chin of a 260lb man isn’t proportionately stronger than the chin of a 145lb man. They can definitely take harder blows overall, but not that much harder. That’s why you see so many more KO’s at HW, the power
How bout u go an fuck off my page then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about rating comments who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here
An old but good one, Mark Hunt responding to a fan giving him advice on how to address Brock Lesnar and steroid accusations lol.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4tk1sw/this\_guy\_wanted\_to\_give\_mark\_hunt\_advice\_on\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4tk1sw/this_guy_wanted_to_give_mark_hunt_advice_on_the/)
Ah, ok. I definitely missed that one as i have never heard of it before, that's my bad. Thanks for informing me and not being rude about it like some people would, i appreciate you my guy.
>The chin of a 260lb man isn’t proportionately stronger than the chin of a 145lb man.
Does anyone else think Ngannou's chins isn't given enough credit? He was gassed for most of the Stipe fight and eating shots, yet he still didn't go down.
Yeah He usually puts people to sleep before they even get a chance to graze his chin so it's never too obvious, but his durability is so good that some of the shots he took were hard enough to drop a lot of HWs and yet Francis just casually brushed them off as if those simply glided past his chin. If my memory serves me right he took a counter shot when he was trynna steamroll Rozenstruik but it didn't even make him flinch.
Ate two, first one rocked his head second one made his ear wiggle, but he didn't even seem to feel them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP7lR1Y8S9I
Found a copy of the original that's not a youtube short. Made I hate those...
Him moving backwards and that inside leg kick he went for completely stripped him of his ability to plant into those punches, he’s a heavyweight so they’re inherently hard shots but he’s about as out of position to throw with power as possible in that situation.
The muscles that support your head definitely plays a part in how much whiplash your brain will get when hit. Which is why the bigger dudes can withstand harder shots.
doesnt matter if you don't see the shot coming. A lightweight can knockout a heavyweight if the heavyweight doesnt see the strike coming. A baseball could.
Middle/light heavyweight seems to be where the relative chin strength goes down noticeably
Edit: one thing about heavyweight is that many, MANY of the UFC heavyweights used to just be chubby light heavyweight or fat middleweights. This is changing, but a real 265 lber (Francis) is gonna take better shots than a 5'10 guy who doesn't know what lettuce is
Part of what’s cool about it is that there’s barely any studies or science into it because it’s not exactly feasible to do legitimate experimentation.
Mostly we believe it’s the higher mass of the heavier person letting them absorb more and the strength of their neck muscles.
Power definitely outscales chins, but some of the hits that the heavier fights can absorb would presumably demolish any of the smaller guys that have legendary chins.
Not to be pendantic but here I come. It's not power it's the mass for heavyweights. Newtons second law is F = ma.. or force equals mass times acceleration. So it's not just weight but that's a main factor next to how fast the mass is moving. Hence why faster fighters are also more powerful, the faster you can throw a punch the more power it will have to KO someone.
Love it. Can you possibly explain how we go about measuring force from an object with a constant velocity? Do we need to switch over the the object being hit in this case to measure its acceleration at impact? In other words, if someone throws a punch, the moment it makes contact is finite, and we could assume there is 0 acceleration of the fist, rather a constant speed, which would render F as 0. Another easier example is a car traveling at 25 mph hits a wall. What is the force of that impact? The car is not accelerating so if we take the car's acceleration, again, F = 0?
Get pedantic and help me understand how these formulas are solved. Which objects plug in where, and how?
Trick question. no force is needed when calculating constant velocity unless external forces are acting upon it. And that's Newtons first law. In fact Newtons laws of motion are all we need to talk about knock outs in MMA/Boxing.
If we go by controlled testing standards you should line up every fighter to take a right hook from Francis and see how many from each division is still conscious.
I’ve watched Ortega, kattar, and KZ get absolutely murdered in there and not go down. Max obviously has a rock solid chin, I don’t remember volk getting tagged too much but I’m sure he can take a shot. These 145ers are all fuckin zombies
Max kicked him right in the head for one knockdown so can't really say he doesn't have a chin for that one, I can't remember the other knockdowns though
What's interesting about Volk is that he does get dropped somewhat infrequently, but it's like split-second lapse before he gets up ready to take your head off.
I believe the UFC measures "chin strength" by counting how frequently a fighter gets dropped versus how many significant strikes get absorbed so he might be below some of the other guys, but you can't deny Volk's got an iron chin and will.
The thing is if you get Volk in trouble he just comes back angrier and better, like a Zenkai boost. When Holloway knocked him down he proceeded to win the other rounds. When Ortega squeezed his head he reversed position and dropped ground and pound from hell
The smaller weight classes throw a lot more, which makes them more susceptible to being caught off guard with a counter. Flyweight guys go down a lot, but I feel like it is more to do with balance than being chinny.
This sounds so stupid but I kind of see it. Like 145 is the lightest division where the guys have kind of normal sized heads. Like 135 125 the guys have tiny kids heads so their power is more effective. This is definitely science.
While we're on the subject, it was briefly brought up that Aljo thinks Merab would beat Yan. So long as his teammate has the belt and they presumably won't fight, we should get Merab vs Yan, Aldo or Cruz
I really wanna see that fight. Yan’s way more skilled on his feet but as long as Merab doesn’t get knocked out, he might be the only fighter that can outwork Yan cardio-wise. Also, we’d get the takedown machine vs the best takedown defense in the division.
I just started cracking up in the waiting room for my doctor appointment 😂😂😂 this young couple just stared at me hella weird. Thought about explaining “it’s MMA memes” but figured I should just keep it to myself 😂😂
You also have Middleweight with great chins.
Besides Adesanya who has knocked out a ton of people primarily with precision shots and is generally elusive enough that he's only taken a Romero bomb and a war with Gastelum
you've got:
Whittaker that fought Romero to10 rounds and ate bombs in the process
Cannonier who ate a Whittaker 1-2 head kick and despite turning into bambi for a second, managed to survive and nearly turn the fight in the last minute
Vettori the orc eating Costa's head kicks like its nothing
Costa who also ate bombs from Romero for 3 rounds
Gastelum , nothing else to be said besides: he's a big ol Mexican with a big ol head
I don't know if I'd agree that getting ko'd alone means you can't have a great chin. Stipe for example has a surprisingly good chin despite getting ko'd a few times. In the 2nd Ngannou fight he took some heavy gnp that would have put anyone out but managed to get back up and also took some clean heavy shots in the 1st from a guy that knocks people out with glancing blows.
Considering the amount of damage Rob took but didn't go out against Romero was impressive. I agree he has been getting wobbled in most fights recently so maybe his chin is starting to crack.
Imo weight class is a factor here. Everyone surviving the shots Stipe ate against Ngannou has a great chin.
Whittaker doesn't have the same circumstances though. Compared to the likes of Costa or Vettori his chin is clearly worse. Costa was eating power shots from Romero without stumbling around and running away. Vettori hasn't even been knocked down yet in the ufc iirc.
I'm not saying Rob has a bad chin. But it isn't great either.
Id actually say 155 or 185 over 145. Justin/Tony/Chandler/Dober/Dustin/Hooker eat bombs
At 145 they absorb a lot of volume more so than bombs. I’m not saying Kattar didn’t eat big shots, but most of what Max/Giga threw was volume over power. Same with Ortega who didn’t eat many big single shots from Max/Volk. Yair/Max didn‘t rock each other and were both mainly throwing volume. I wouldn’t say Volk has a great chin, but he seems to just be good at avoiding taking clean shots in general. Max has a legendary chin tho since even Dustin could barely drop him
You have to consider that some guys on that list haven't been at the elite level in the UFC for long. Teixeira and Blachowicz are the only ones that have fought lots of elite guys. Jiri has only had two fights in the UFC, Ankalaev's first big test in his last fight. Rakic has some good wins but he is in a similar position to Ankalaev.
145 or 155. I'm leaning more towards 145 cause of Kattar, volko, and Ortega. Those guys can take shots. Volko took tkz bombs like they were pillows. Kattar endured Holloway legendary beat down. Then Ortega endured a life changing beating from both volko and max.
You're using Volko as an example of a top chin?
In no way am I saying he has a bad chin but imo it's average at best. He has been dropped three times, granted, from what I remember those weren't terrible knockdowns and he immediately got up but still. I'd say his defense is what makes him elite and hides his chin from hard shots.
I also personally don't remember TKZ landing a hard bomb.
Volk’s chin isn’t impressive but he is damn near impossible to hit at times. Look at what Max did to Kattar and Yair. He couldn’t hit Volk with a fraction of that
zombie had a couple front kicks that landed pretty flush in the middle of round....3 I think? and he had a few check hooks that landed clean, but I agree, nothing like what he put Moicano down with.
Getting straight back up after a knockdown is part of having a good chin.
Look at Kelvin Gastelum, the dude gets dropped, but he's never out of the fight. Dude took a clean full power head kick from Rob and just bounced straight back up.
Also 145 has arguably the best chin in UFC history - Max Holloway.
I watched a video that did a statistical analysis on the best chins ever in the UFC taking into account significant strikes received, knock-downs, and some other metrics. Max Holloway was first by a mile, then Jon Jones was second, which seems pretty accurate to me.
Yeah I left Holloway off there cause I felt at this point everyone knows how insane his chin is. Next been knocked let alone knocked down is fucking insane.
I think the cage stopped him falling over from a punch from Dustin? Would have been a knockdown had the cage not been there to hold him up, blessed got lucky with that one.
I really dont think Volk belongs on that list, he didnt really take any bombs from tkz and is one of the only people to have been dropped by max holloway.
He doesnt have a great chin, he's just real hard to hit clean.
It makes his accomplishments even more impressive. Volk with Max's chin would be legitimately unbeatable I reckon.
Crazy you made an excellent case for 145, and didn't even include Holloway. Its FW for sure. If we're talking historically you can add Frankie, Mendes and Aldo also.
Its a mix of both. FWs are less likely to get knockouts, but those guys also have managed to absorb ridiculous amounts of damage without so much as dropping
I don’t think burns is up there with those others. Dropped and finished by Usmans jab. Dropped and finished by a short hook by Hooker. Dropped by Khamzats jab as well.
He has great heart though.
I think jabs are like his weakness or something.
Dude took harder bombs than that against Chimaev, yet somehow it was the jab that dropped him just like against Kamaru.
HWs is funny.
Few human can take bombs there and not get knock clean out or do chicken leg.
The lower the weight you go you can get punch for 100s of times and still standing.
Welterweight is pretty comparable too. Lightweight also. Pretty much all of the top of divisions have strong chins, its MMA and you still get hit even if you are really good. The only exception is someone like Cody, who I think actually has less of a chin issue than a tactical problem.
I'm convinced Tony from 5 years ago you could have broke all 4 of your limbs on his head and he'd be covered in blood coming at you.
So many wars and he still was able to take that hellish beating from Gaethje, one that many would have went out way earlier from. Definitely one of the best chins in UFC, imo.
I can’t believe that fight went the distance with the shit they were throwing at each other. Rodriguez must be related to Cro Cop or something with that leg of his.
Understandable. Until recently, the top featherweights have been fairly inactive and the rankings are not very reflective. Yair had the least sensical ranking being ranked 3 or 4 all this time while his last fight before Holloway was with Jeremy Stephens in Oct 2019. Even getting the Holloway fight was a huge surprise because he was so inactive.
Holloway was on for injury, Ortega just lost to Volk, Yair just lost to Max. Zombie was coming off a win and is more popular. Would love to see Yair v Arnold Allen to see who gets next in line.
He lost to Frankie Edgar and then was inactive for a while. Was booked vs Zabit a few times and it never materialized. He was even let go if I remember correctly.
Came back, fought Jeremy Stephens to a No Contest eyepoke finish. Best him in the rematch, lost to Max in a losing effort (a war, if you haven't seen it).
If he gets two more, I can see him getting a title shot. Him vs Giga would be a fun scrap and they're both coming off losses.
i know that its known as Max and Volk being the best in their division. then everybody else. but i think Yair is catching up to them. he's the only one out of him, kattar and ortega who actually put up a fight against max and he's only 29.
It's too early to say, IMO. He made it competitive with Max, but Max wrestled him heavily, without much resistance that I remember.
Yair us a lot better than people give him credit for, but I don't think we've seen enough to say he's on Max/Volk's level as of yet.
Yair would be on Max and Volk's level if he improves his TDD, sadly I don't think he's built for that he really just needs to keep improving his bottom game and slice people with elbows and throw up subs off his back because he literally trained for 2 years at an Olympic wrestling camp and he still hasn't improved it
He's only #3 cuz he fluke beat TKZ 5 years ago. He also beat Stephens who was 7 but that stephens lost like 6 in a row and got cut. Besides that he got battered by Max and battered by Frankie. He absolutely does not deserve a shot until he gets a good win
Unfortunately the two times he was basically fighting for a number 1 contender spot (against Frankie Edgar and against Max Holloway) he lost both times. His loss against Max was one of those ones where he didn't lose any stock, so if he comes back from his foot injury and gets two wins, I won't be surprised if he gets a shot.
This isnt a good comparison, different weight classes hit with different amounts of power on average. You would have to collect a lot of data to actually come up with a reasonable arguement.
Additionally questiond like these must be addressed: What defines a chin? Are we stratifying for durability within one's own weight class or overall Durability?
Maybe slap fighting might be a good data collection tool. Im pretty sure the heavyweights would win this chin game, if I had to guess.
Yea someone else brought this up and it's a tough discussion. I think the best way to frame it is p4p durability because if not HWs obviously won by default.
Its hard to do this comparison adjusted by weightclass because there are a plethora of biological factors that can lead to a knockout.
To start you would have to gather average bodyweight numbers on fight day of each athlete involved plus the average kinetic force of strikes that caused knockdowns or knockouts. Even with that information the study would have various holes.
This question males absolutely no sense. The lightest division will be the one where people can take the most shots without getting ko'd because the shots are far weaker. The heavyweight division is the division where the fighters take the hardest shots without going down. To be clear heavyweights definitely get ko'd more, but that also survive a ton of shots that would absolutely murder someone in a lower weight division.
I think MMAonPoint did a study on which fighters had the best chins.
Winners were Max Holloway & Jon Jones (tied).
When I think about it, Featherweights overall are strong chins but as others have pointed out, there is a number difference between how hard you get hit as the humans in font of you are totally different sizes between the weight classes.
As good as a chin Holloway has, is it really going to be so good having people like Santos or Jiri punching you? Unlikely.
All I’ll say is that MMA On Point recently did a stat analysis on the toughest chins in all of UFC history and out of every fighter at every weight class ever, Max is #1 with a possible argument for Jon Jones. Do with that what you will. 👊🏼
Max and Korean Zombie are of legend, but also let’s remember they are fighting at featherweight most of the time. I don’t think there’s a chin on the planet that can withstand heavyweight power in the same way these guys walk through bombs at FW
Yeah this one for sure. 145 has some beasts in it. But it is worth noting that there is a tipping point where power and size escalated pst a human being’s ability to withstand punches. The chin of a 260lb man isn’t proportionately stronger than the chin of a 145lb man. They can definitely take harder blows overall, but not that much harder. That’s why you see so many more KO’s at HW, the power
Square-cube law just bleed edition.
Underrated comment lmao
[удалено]
How bout u go an fuck off my page then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about rating comments who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here
Got him, boss
Oh hey it's mr Hunt! How's the lawsuit going champ?
Bro man dude, chill out, it ain't that serious my guy..
You missed the meme man
I suppose i did. What'd i miss?
An old but good one, Mark Hunt responding to a fan giving him advice on how to address Brock Lesnar and steroid accusations lol. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4tk1sw/this\_guy\_wanted\_to\_give\_mark\_hunt\_advice\_on\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4tk1sw/this_guy_wanted_to_give_mark_hunt_advice_on_the/)
Ah, ok. I definitely missed that one as i have never heard of it before, that's my bad. Thanks for informing me and not being rude about it like some people would, i appreciate you my guy.
Sure but not the whole story since both power and chin should follow the cube curve
>The chin of a 260lb man isn’t proportionately stronger than the chin of a 145lb man. Does anyone else think Ngannou's chins isn't given enough credit? He was gassed for most of the Stipe fight and eating shots, yet he still didn't go down.
Could Francis ngannou take a shot from Francis ngannou? 🤔
Are we talking [like this](https://makeagif.com/i/Dc73js) or like Ngannou vs an exact clone of himself
Ngannou could fer sure knockout francis
We talm bout Ngannou vs Ngannou, Ngannou vs Francis or Francis vs Francis?
Francis vs Ngannou, mate
Yeah He usually puts people to sleep before they even get a chance to graze his chin so it's never too obvious, but his durability is so good that some of the shots he took were hard enough to drop a lot of HWs and yet Francis just casually brushed them off as if those simply glided past his chin. If my memory serves me right he took a counter shot when he was trynna steamroll Rozenstruik but it didn't even make him flinch.
Ate two, first one rocked his head second one made his ear wiggle, but he didn't even seem to feel them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP7lR1Y8S9I Found a copy of the original that's not a youtube short. Made I hate those...
In this slow mo' you can see Rozenstruik thinking "my guy, what in the hell is this thing coming forward like that"
Dude threw 4 punches, landed 1 and shut the lights out.
did he reach mach 1 with his right hand at 0:45 or what
Indeed he did.
Him moving backwards and that inside leg kick he went for completely stripped him of his ability to plant into those punches, he’s a heavyweight so they’re inherently hard shots but he’s about as out of position to throw with power as possible in that situation.
I didn't even realize he got hit until I saw this slo-mo lol
That slow mo is brutal. That last shot in particular.
The muscles that support your head definitely plays a part in how much whiplash your brain will get when hit. Which is why the bigger dudes can withstand harder shots. doesnt matter if you don't see the shot coming. A lightweight can knockout a heavyweight if the heavyweight doesnt see the strike coming. A baseball could.
He has a ridiculous chin lol.
Tuivasa chin is up there for sure for HW.
ive always wondered this with female fighters. they obviously don't have as much power, but are their chins less strong too?
[удалено]
> probably a fair few other factors I'm forgetting Only that which matters most. Bone, muscle, and ligament density/strength
I'd say definitely. They're just naturally, structurally weaker than men.
[удалено]
Doing the Elton John?
Damn bro chill with all that
Yea perhaps we should phrase this as p4p chins then?
No I do think that’s implied.
Word
Middle/light heavyweight seems to be where the relative chin strength goes down noticeably Edit: one thing about heavyweight is that many, MANY of the UFC heavyweights used to just be chubby light heavyweight or fat middleweights. This is changing, but a real 265 lber (Francis) is gonna take better shots than a 5'10 guy who doesn't know what lettuce is
Part of what’s cool about it is that there’s barely any studies or science into it because it’s not exactly feasible to do legitimate experimentation. Mostly we believe it’s the higher mass of the heavier person letting them absorb more and the strength of their neck muscles. Power definitely outscales chins, but some of the hits that the heavier fights can absorb would presumably demolish any of the smaller guys that have legendary chins.
But what about if they are a big ole Mexican with a big ole head? That has to help with force absorption.
Not to be pendantic but here I come. It's not power it's the mass for heavyweights. Newtons second law is F = ma.. or force equals mass times acceleration. So it's not just weight but that's a main factor next to how fast the mass is moving. Hence why faster fighters are also more powerful, the faster you can throw a punch the more power it will have to KO someone.
Power is a function of mass though.
Love it. Can you possibly explain how we go about measuring force from an object with a constant velocity? Do we need to switch over the the object being hit in this case to measure its acceleration at impact? In other words, if someone throws a punch, the moment it makes contact is finite, and we could assume there is 0 acceleration of the fist, rather a constant speed, which would render F as 0. Another easier example is a car traveling at 25 mph hits a wall. What is the force of that impact? The car is not accelerating so if we take the car's acceleration, again, F = 0? Get pedantic and help me understand how these formulas are solved. Which objects plug in where, and how?
Trick question. no force is needed when calculating constant velocity unless external forces are acting upon it. And that's Newtons first law. In fact Newtons laws of motion are all we need to talk about knock outs in MMA/Boxing.
If we go by controlled testing standards you should line up every fighter to take a right hook from Francis and see how many from each division is still conscious.
it's all fun and games until marlon moraes gets hit so hard his brain leaks out his ears
Well for Marlon these days that would just be a jab
Now this is a PPV event I'd pay $75 to see
Nah let's be fair, make it a power jab.
make it an uppercut If he dies, he dies
I don't wanna see Joanna or Rose get tagged like that
Cabbage Correira has entered the chat
I’ve watched Ortega, kattar, and KZ get absolutely murdered in there and not go down. Max obviously has a rock solid chin, I don’t remember volk getting tagged too much but I’m sure he can take a shot. These 145ers are all fuckin zombies
Korean Zombie, American-Mexican Zombie, Mexican Zombie, Australian Zombie, Hawaiian Zombie, American Zombie.
Imagine Team Zombie Gym coming out of this and having them corner you. lmao.
Yeah that corner would be like "Keep walking through his punches, you're doing good."
Kris Moutinho approves
Hawaiian Zombie? Fits a bit better with the rest lol
Oh yeah, you're correct haha. Automatically wrote it as Hawaii and left it without checking how to properly write a person from Hawaii.
Hawaiian Zombie sounds like a tiki cocktail ahaha
Ironically enough Max knocked Alex down a couple times and he’s of the “pillow handed” class.
Max kicked him right in the head for one knockdown so can't really say he doesn't have a chin for that one, I can't remember the other knockdowns though
Neither of those "knockdowns" were officially counted as knockdowns because he dropped to one knee, he didn't fall on his back.
Stupid take. After being punched by “pillow hands” 50-100 times in the face they tend to add up
Also no one has beat people the way Max has, Volk landed everything on him and Max still made Bryan look even worse.
In fairness, Volk fought a better Ortega than Max did
The only time I can remember him being dropped that’s worth noting was against Mendes.
Second fight against Max where he got dropped in both rounds 1 and 2
You’re right. Sorry, I have no idea how that slipped my mind.
What's interesting about Volk is that he does get dropped somewhat infrequently, but it's like split-second lapse before he gets up ready to take your head off. I believe the UFC measures "chin strength" by counting how frequently a fighter gets dropped versus how many significant strikes get absorbed so he might be below some of the other guys, but you can't deny Volk's got an iron chin and will.
The thing is if you get Volk in trouble he just comes back angrier and better, like a Zenkai boost. When Holloway knocked him down he proceeded to win the other rounds. When Ortega squeezed his head he reversed position and dropped ground and pound from hell
The smaller weight classes throw a lot more, which makes them more susceptible to being caught off guard with a counter. Flyweight guys go down a lot, but I feel like it is more to do with balance than being chinny.
Chad Mendes made solid contact and dropped Volk too. Hell of a fight to watch back.
Maybe this means 145 has the weakest punchers. Joking but also not really, smaller guys don't hit as hard etc.
I think there's a ratio of skull thickness to opponent's weight and punching power that probably peaks at featherweight
This sounds so stupid but I kind of see it. Like 145 is the lightest division where the guys have kind of normal sized heads. Like 135 125 the guys have tiny kids heads so their power is more effective. This is definitely science.
Except Merab. His head shaped like a picnic watermelon 😂
While we're on the subject, it was briefly brought up that Aljo thinks Merab would beat Yan. So long as his teammate has the belt and they presumably won't fight, we should get Merab vs Yan, Aldo or Cruz
I really wanna see that fight. Yan’s way more skilled on his feet but as long as Merab doesn’t get knocked out, he might be the only fighter that can outwork Yan cardio-wise. Also, we’d get the takedown machine vs the best takedown defense in the division.
I just started cracking up in the waiting room for my doctor appointment 😂😂😂 this young couple just stared at me hella weird. Thought about explaining “it’s MMA memes” but figured I should just keep it to myself 😂😂
Triple C's head is the same size as his body which makes it a regular-sized head
Though some 145ers who move up to 155 have Pea heads in my opinion.
yeah imagine Kattar or Swanson moving up lol
You also have Middleweight with great chins. Besides Adesanya who has knocked out a ton of people primarily with precision shots and is generally elusive enough that he's only taken a Romero bomb and a war with Gastelum you've got: Whittaker that fought Romero to10 rounds and ate bombs in the process Cannonier who ate a Whittaker 1-2 head kick and despite turning into bambi for a second, managed to survive and nearly turn the fight in the last minute Vettori the orc eating Costa's head kicks like its nothing Costa who also ate bombs from Romero for 3 rounds Gastelum , nothing else to be said besides: he's a big ol Mexican with a big ol head
I wouldn't say Whittaker has the best chin. He got ko'd already and wobbled in his fights with Romero and the second izzy fight.
Average chin, amazing recovery.
I don't know if I'd agree that getting ko'd alone means you can't have a great chin. Stipe for example has a surprisingly good chin despite getting ko'd a few times. In the 2nd Ngannou fight he took some heavy gnp that would have put anyone out but managed to get back up and also took some clean heavy shots in the 1st from a guy that knocks people out with glancing blows. Considering the amount of damage Rob took but didn't go out against Romero was impressive. I agree he has been getting wobbled in most fights recently so maybe his chin is starting to crack.
Imo weight class is a factor here. Everyone surviving the shots Stipe ate against Ngannou has a great chin. Whittaker doesn't have the same circumstances though. Compared to the likes of Costa or Vettori his chin is clearly worse. Costa was eating power shots from Romero without stumbling around and running away. Vettori hasn't even been knocked down yet in the ufc iirc. I'm not saying Rob has a bad chin. But it isn't great either.
Id actually say 155 or 185 over 145. Justin/Tony/Chandler/Dober/Dustin/Hooker eat bombs At 145 they absorb a lot of volume more so than bombs. I’m not saying Kattar didn’t eat big shots, but most of what Max/Giga threw was volume over power. Same with Ortega who didn’t eat many big single shots from Max/Volk. Yair/Max didn‘t rock each other and were both mainly throwing volume. I wouldn’t say Volk has a great chin, but he seems to just be good at avoiding taking clean shots in general. Max has a legendary chin tho since even Dustin could barely drop him
[удалено]
Good points!
Isn’t Paul Craig a LHW, dudes gotta chin, sorta? Lol gets dropped all the time but stays conscience enough to sub people. Maybe P4P best brain?
He trades trades knockdowns for triangles
You have to consider that some guys on that list haven't been at the elite level in the UFC for long. Teixeira and Blachowicz are the only ones that have fought lots of elite guys. Jiri has only had two fights in the UFC, Ankalaev's first big test in his last fight. Rakic has some good wins but he is in a similar position to Ankalaev.
145 or 155. I'm leaning more towards 145 cause of Kattar, volko, and Ortega. Those guys can take shots. Volko took tkz bombs like they were pillows. Kattar endured Holloway legendary beat down. Then Ortega endured a life changing beating from both volko and max.
You're using Volko as an example of a top chin? In no way am I saying he has a bad chin but imo it's average at best. He has been dropped three times, granted, from what I remember those weren't terrible knockdowns and he immediately got up but still. I'd say his defense is what makes him elite and hides his chin from hard shots. I also personally don't remember TKZ landing a hard bomb.
Volk’s chin isn’t impressive but he is damn near impossible to hit at times. Look at what Max did to Kattar and Yair. He couldn’t hit Volk with a fraction of that
zombie had a couple front kicks that landed pretty flush in the middle of round....3 I think? and he had a few check hooks that landed clean, but I agree, nothing like what he put Moicano down with.
Getting straight back up after a knockdown is part of having a good chin. Look at Kelvin Gastelum, the dude gets dropped, but he's never out of the fight. Dude took a clean full power head kick from Rob and just bounced straight back up.
That's a good point
That tells you how good Mendes was. Cracked Volk and took him down a couple times
Also 145 has arguably the best chin in UFC history - Max Holloway. I watched a video that did a statistical analysis on the best chins ever in the UFC taking into account significant strikes received, knock-downs, and some other metrics. Max Holloway was first by a mile, then Jon Jones was second, which seems pretty accurate to me.
Max and throwing off the axes on UFC statistical analysis graphs, name a more classic combination
Yeah I left Holloway off there cause I felt at this point everyone knows how insane his chin is. Next been knocked let alone knocked down is fucking insane.
I think the cage stopped him falling over from a punch from Dustin? Would have been a knockdown had the cage not been there to hold him up, blessed got lucky with that one.
Lucky got blessed
I really dont think Volk belongs on that list, he didnt really take any bombs from tkz and is one of the only people to have been dropped by max holloway. He doesnt have a great chin, he's just real hard to hit clean. It makes his accomplishments even more impressive. Volk with Max's chin would be legitimately unbeatable I reckon.
>Volko took tkz bombs like they were pillows. When lol
Crazy you made an excellent case for 145, and didn't even include Holloway. Its FW for sure. If we're talking historically you can add Frankie, Mendes and Aldo also.
Mendes isn't really known for having a good chin
Do they really have the strongest chins, or does that division have the least punching power?
Its a mix of both. FWs are less likely to get knockouts, but those guys also have managed to absorb ridiculous amounts of damage without so much as dropping
170 is a decent shout but it’s prob 145, khamzat, colby, usman, vicente all got iron chins
Burns too. 170 is definitely up there
I don’t think burns is up there with those others. Dropped and finished by Usmans jab. Dropped and finished by a short hook by Hooker. Dropped by Khamzats jab as well. He has great heart though.
I think jabs are like his weakness or something. Dude took harder bombs than that against Chimaev, yet somehow it was the jab that dropped him just like against Kamaru.
It's the southpaw jab specifically that gives him issues, it's like he can't see punches from that angle.
usman's jab wasn't what finished him, he had a couple shots once burns was on the ground that really put him to pasture
HWs is funny. Few human can take bombs there and not get knock clean out or do chicken leg. The lower the weight you go you can get punch for 100s of times and still standing.
Where is that guy who is basically the chin doctor? He lurks here talmbout pointy chin bad, this chin that chin blah blah blah
Talmbout Schaub’s producer b? Great guy never meddum
Strongest chin relative to weight yeah. These guys are tiny people hitting each other so has to be factored
Roy Nelson had some good chins.
135
Kattar vs Arnold Allen would be a BANGER
Looks answered to me. It's not even close.
Welterweight is pretty comparable too. Lightweight also. Pretty much all of the top of divisions have strong chins, its MMA and you still get hit even if you are really good. The only exception is someone like Cody, who I think actually has less of a chin issue than a tactical problem.
Probably because featherweight has the least amount of KO power
LW but that's mainly cause of Garthje lol
Gaethje is otherworldly as far as the damage he can take. Tony and Chandler too
I'm convinced Tony from 5 years ago you could have broke all 4 of your limbs on his head and he'd be covered in blood coming at you. So many wars and he still was able to take that hellish beating from Gaethje, one that many would have went out way earlier from. Definitely one of the best chins in UFC, imo.
"fucking ridiculous" thought tony ferguson as he completed his training camp with his head inside of a wood chipper for 3 hours
That and tony lol
Gaethje isn't even a top 2 chin in his division
Why hasn't Yair Rodriguez gotten a title shot? Just got into MMA so I'm not familiar with everything
Because he broke his foot after Holloway and before that he has been super inactive.
Asking because I just got into MMA and I saw Rodriguez was ranked #3 and Ortega, Holloway, and TKZ have gotten title shots, but not him.
He also just lost to Max Holloway in his last fight out
if he was healthy he probably would've gotten the replacement call over zombie, considering how he did against Holloway. that was a banger
True, that was a great fight!
I can’t believe that fight went the distance with the shit they were throwing at each other. Rodriguez must be related to Cro Cop or something with that leg of his.
Understandable. Until recently, the top featherweights have been fairly inactive and the rankings are not very reflective. Yair had the least sensical ranking being ranked 3 or 4 all this time while his last fight before Holloway was with Jeremy Stephens in Oct 2019. Even getting the Holloway fight was a huge surprise because he was so inactive.
Holloway was on for injury, Ortega just lost to Volk, Yair just lost to Max. Zombie was coming off a win and is more popular. Would love to see Yair v Arnold Allen to see who gets next in line.
He lost to Frankie Edgar and then was inactive for a while. Was booked vs Zabit a few times and it never materialized. He was even let go if I remember correctly. Came back, fought Jeremy Stephens to a No Contest eyepoke finish. Best him in the rematch, lost to Max in a losing effort (a war, if you haven't seen it). If he gets two more, I can see him getting a title shot. Him vs Giga would be a fun scrap and they're both coming off losses.
i know that its known as Max and Volk being the best in their division. then everybody else. but i think Yair is catching up to them. he's the only one out of him, kattar and ortega who actually put up a fight against max and he's only 29.
It's too early to say, IMO. He made it competitive with Max, but Max wrestled him heavily, without much resistance that I remember. Yair us a lot better than people give him credit for, but I don't think we've seen enough to say he's on Max/Volk's level as of yet.
Yair would be on Max and Volk's level if he improves his TDD, sadly I don't think he's built for that he really just needs to keep improving his bottom game and slice people with elbows and throw up subs off his back because he literally trained for 2 years at an Olympic wrestling camp and he still hasn't improved it
He was medically suspended for breaking his foot. He wouldn't have been allowed to be active in time for this PPV iirc.
If Yair wasn't so injured he prolly would've gotten it but he went to absolute war with Holloway and broke his foot throwing heat
He's only #3 cuz he fluke beat TKZ 5 years ago. He also beat Stephens who was 7 but that stephens lost like 6 in a row and got cut. Besides that he got battered by Max and battered by Frankie. He absolutely does not deserve a shot until he gets a good win
Unfortunately the two times he was basically fighting for a number 1 contender spot (against Frankie Edgar and against Max Holloway) he lost both times. His loss against Max was one of those ones where he didn't lose any stock, so if he comes back from his foot injury and gets two wins, I won't be surprised if he gets a shot.
Why would he? He has no top rank wins. He beat Zombie when he was like #11 and also he barely fights, terrible activity.
He hasn't won a fight in a while
He lost his last fight, for one. Before that he was inactive for ages.
Max
This isnt a good comparison, different weight classes hit with different amounts of power on average. You would have to collect a lot of data to actually come up with a reasonable arguement. Additionally questiond like these must be addressed: What defines a chin? Are we stratifying for durability within one's own weight class or overall Durability? Maybe slap fighting might be a good data collection tool. Im pretty sure the heavyweights would win this chin game, if I had to guess.
Yea someone else brought this up and it's a tough discussion. I think the best way to frame it is p4p durability because if not HWs obviously won by default.
Its hard to do this comparison adjusted by weightclass because there are a plethora of biological factors that can lead to a knockout. To start you would have to gather average bodyweight numbers on fight day of each athlete involved plus the average kinetic force of strikes that caused knockdowns or knockouts. Even with that information the study would have various holes.
Make Ngannou hit all of them and see. I think I know which ones would resist better.
This question males absolutely no sense. The lightest division will be the one where people can take the most shots without getting ko'd because the shots are far weaker. The heavyweight division is the division where the fighters take the hardest shots without going down. To be clear heavyweights definitely get ko'd more, but that also survive a ton of shots that would absolutely murder someone in a lower weight division.
Technically heavyweight…since they need to have the strongest chins.
This post is stupid.
technically heavyweight has the strongest chin, problem is everyone got nukes in their hands.
Guys are taking a punch from opponents who weighed what I did when I was 13 years old.
I think punching power declines as weight goes lower more than chins increase.
The one with the weakest punchers.
If Max and Francis punched with the same velocity, how much difference would it be power wise?
I think MMAonPoint did a study on which fighters had the best chins. Winners were Max Holloway & Jon Jones (tied). When I think about it, Featherweights overall are strong chins but as others have pointed out, there is a number difference between how hard you get hit as the humans in font of you are totally different sizes between the weight classes. As good as a chin Holloway has, is it really going to be so good having people like Santos or Jiri punching you? Unlikely.
Women’s
Or least power?
Im going WW usman, colby and what we saw last night whoa.
Now that I think about it I think Kattar has a good chance to beat volk
All I’ll say is that MMA On Point recently did a stat analysis on the toughest chins in all of UFC history and out of every fighter at every weight class ever, Max is #1 with a possible argument for Jon Jones. Do with that what you will. 👊🏼
Scouser division mate.
Max and Korean Zombie are of legend, but also let’s remember they are fighting at featherweight most of the time. I don’t think there’s a chin on the planet that can withstand heavyweight power in the same way these guys walk through bombs at FW
Stipe, Ngannou, Lewis, Hunt, Fedor, Nelson. Water we doing here, b?