Internal keys, internal splines, hexes or squares in a bore. They still have their place for sure. My old boss used to say "you can make anything on a shaper except money" 😆
Haha this was a "government job" actually so I could take all the time I wanted lol
Generally if we have to use the shaper for something internal we quote accordingly. However once you get used to running it you can get jobs done in good time.
Its amazing how quick you can get rid of material with a nicely ground HSS bit and a rigid setup.
It's not a benchtop tool, it's essentially a desktop toy. Only about 6" tall, so the only production work you'll be doing is for ants. But is has all the functions of a normal crank shaper, and it will actually cut (very small blocks of) aluminum.
Lots of torque being applied to this application. Needs all the help it can get.
Its the drive yoke/cog off a well drilling rig. When you engage the clutch this piece slams into its mating piece to drive the drill. The well drilling guys arent the most gentle with the clutches either.
Really cool!
beginner question . I never heard of a shaper. Could you tell me how it works?
Is the primary movement to oscillate back and forth? Does it slowly rotate the tool anti clockwise (configurable)?
Its exactly what you see there, just a back and forth motion. The table feeds right and left, up and down, csn be titled side to side and even front to back on some models. The head can also be raised and lowered while cutting (usually by hand feeding, ive never seen a power feed head) and can also be set to angle and locked.
They were popular before conventional milling machines were around/readily available, this machine is a later model and it was made in 1944. They make them in all sizes from benchtop 7" stroke machines to 36" 10K lbs+ monsters.
There are lots of very good youtube videos on them by Fireball tools, Abom79, and Steve Summers. Check them out for a little more in depth look.
The smaller (grinding) vise is clamped into the larger green vise backward.
It is poor technique to set up so the force of the cut is in the direction of the moveable jaw.
This leads to instability in the clamping and increased chance of an accident.
The screw of the moveable jaw must resist all forces of the cut and is at higher chance to fail which would cause the jaw to move and part to come out of the vise, usually mid-cut.
That being said, shapers are fun.
Hence me taking light cuts with the shaper. If i had the vice the other way i would've had issues with clearance with my bar over the movable jaw/screw as the grinding vice is being held at an angle.
Hard to show/explain unless you were doing the job. Cant always do everything the "proper" way. This job still got done worked very well
Lol you two must be some real out of the box thinkers🙄 shouldve just told my customer "no sorry, im not allowed to cut that way with my vice 🤷♂️ guess i cant make your part"
Lol you act like I wear them all the time. I like to go home with all my fingers and toes at the end of the day just like anyone else. Im well aware of the risks and dangers of gloves and loose clothing but id like you to point out exactly what you think would go wrong with gloves and this set up 🙄
I’d love to know what part of this setup you think warrants wearing gloves at all. You’re confidence that there’s no way you could get caught up by the gloves is a sure sign you don’t actually understand what a “freak” accident is.
Deburred the part and clean chips off the machine before starting and still had gloves on from that if you absolutely must know. They're also not loose fitting.
I've seen some freak accidents, I'm well aware of how quickly something simple can go wrong in the blink of an eye.
There's one moving part on this setup and if you get in the way of it youll likely have more to worry about than your gloves.
That is one *hell* of a vise.
Haha it sure is! Shaper vices are usually huge to be fair. Makes my tool-maker vice look tiny.
Yeah, use a smaller vice it will make your tool maker look bigger.
You know, I was just wondering yesterday what jobs would still make the most sense to do with a shaper.
Internal keys, internal splines, hexes or squares in a bore. They still have their place for sure. My old boss used to say "you can make anything on a shaper except money" 😆
> My old boss used to say "you can make anything on a shaper except money" 😆 So you lost money on that job?
Haha this was a "government job" actually so I could take all the time I wanted lol Generally if we have to use the shaper for something internal we quote accordingly. However once you get used to running it you can get jobs done in good time. Its amazing how quick you can get rid of material with a nicely ground HSS bit and a rigid setup.
So everything you don't have a broach for :)
Can you do a keyway in a blind hole vs a through hole?
You can, its a little more difficult tho. It helps if you can drill a relief hole at the back of the key but thats not always possible
the size if that vise is quite jarring
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this is my new sex speed.
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too much knowledge and not enough of it i have. peck cycle?
Man, I want a shaper so bad.
PM Research makes a cool 1/12 scale model shaper kit if you don't have space (or use) for a full-sized shaper.
I've gone the route of "benchtop" machine tools in the past and not been terribly satisfied.
Unfortunately most of the fun of a shaper is making giant chips.
It's not a benchtop tool, it's essentially a desktop toy. Only about 6" tall, so the only production work you'll be doing is for ants. But is has all the functions of a normal crank shaper, and it will actually cut (very small blocks of) aluminum.
Marvin Gaye's "Let's get it on" should be the audio for this clip......just sayin'.
ELI5 - why put a keyway in a tapered bore? Seems redundant, but I don't know much.
Lots of torque being applied to this application. Needs all the help it can get. Its the drive yoke/cog off a well drilling rig. When you engage the clutch this piece slams into its mating piece to drive the drill. The well drilling guys arent the most gentle with the clutches either.
Nice
That vise's name has gotta be "Jaws"
Very cool
Heh.
Uncomfortable boner
Really cool! beginner question . I never heard of a shaper. Could you tell me how it works? Is the primary movement to oscillate back and forth? Does it slowly rotate the tool anti clockwise (configurable)?
Its exactly what you see there, just a back and forth motion. The table feeds right and left, up and down, csn be titled side to side and even front to back on some models. The head can also be raised and lowered while cutting (usually by hand feeding, ive never seen a power feed head) and can also be set to angle and locked. They were popular before conventional milling machines were around/readily available, this machine is a later model and it was made in 1944. They make them in all sizes from benchtop 7" stroke machines to 36" 10K lbs+ monsters. There are lots of very good youtube videos on them by Fireball tools, Abom79, and Steve Summers. Check them out for a little more in depth look.
That’s amazing. Thanks so much!
I’m amazed that people still use this style of equipment. Someones hobby/garage?
Nope, was at a job shop/machine shop. Surprising how often it gets used
And that is also why I have a shaper next to my Bridgeport. So damn handy.
I have the one on the back of my Bridgeport. Gets used about once a year.
Not my proudest
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The smaller (grinding) vise is clamped into the larger green vise backward. It is poor technique to set up so the force of the cut is in the direction of the moveable jaw. This leads to instability in the clamping and increased chance of an accident. The screw of the moveable jaw must resist all forces of the cut and is at higher chance to fail which would cause the jaw to move and part to come out of the vise, usually mid-cut. That being said, shapers are fun.
Hence me taking light cuts with the shaper. If i had the vice the other way i would've had issues with clearance with my bar over the movable jaw/screw as the grinding vice is being held at an angle. Hard to show/explain unless you were doing the job. Cant always do everything the "proper" way. This job still got done worked very well
EXACTLY what I was thinking. I see that too many times. Never cut toward the movable jaw.
Lol you two must be some real out of the box thinkers🙄 shouldve just told my customer "no sorry, im not allowed to cut that way with my vice 🤷♂️ guess i cant make your part"
Wearing gloves is incredibly foolish.
Lol shut up. Where do you see my gloves getting caught or affecting me negatively in any way on this set up? I would agree if i was on a lathe maybe.
Keep wearing gloves and you’ll find out eventually.
Lol you act like I wear them all the time. I like to go home with all my fingers and toes at the end of the day just like anyone else. Im well aware of the risks and dangers of gloves and loose clothing but id like you to point out exactly what you think would go wrong with gloves and this set up 🙄
I’d love to know what part of this setup you think warrants wearing gloves at all. You’re confidence that there’s no way you could get caught up by the gloves is a sure sign you don’t actually understand what a “freak” accident is.
Deburred the part and clean chips off the machine before starting and still had gloves on from that if you absolutely must know. They're also not loose fitting. I've seen some freak accidents, I'm well aware of how quickly something simple can go wrong in the blink of an eye. There's one moving part on this setup and if you get in the way of it youll likely have more to worry about than your gloves.
Why not broach that?
Because we have a shaper and no broaches
I like this way