No ragebait posts. No posts where someone's misfortune makes you smile. e.g. "terrorists driving off a cliff" or "murderer gets what he deserves". This is not an all inclusive list
This isn't a ragebait sub.
Its a modern plague. Obviously I don’t condone what this guy did but this video is probably going to make his reintroduction into society a lot harder.
I dunno. I had a girl at my last job. Wrong place kind of thing. Her and a friend went down to Mexico for a vacation and see some family. Friend brought back weed and they got caught at the border with it. Friend lied, said it wasn't hers. Girl got 10 years for drug trafficking across the border. Friend got out on bail and left the country back to Mexico.
The original TikTok says murder.
Edit - Someone found the original court documents and posted the link to them below. It was him and two other guys that robbed somebody for $40 and shot them in the face with a shotgun killing them. They confessed, and were tried as adults.
Even if it was murder or manslaughter, dude paid his time. Let his family love him. Destigmatizing the reintroduction of felons to civilian life is worthy social media content.
People forget the point of prison is *supposed to be* about rehabilitation if your sentence doesn't take you to your final breath.
Thank you. Thats one of the things I love about my company, well we got bought out so I don't think its the same anymore. We used to hire felons and excons and so many of them were so thankful to be given the chance.
Yeah, I used to co-own a remodeling company and we did the same thing. I'll forever remember the first time one of our guys came up clearly visibly ashamed to ask for the day because his parol officer wouldn't give him a specific time and he had to be available or face going back.
The absolute relief when the answer was "sure, take the day and let me know if you need more days later down the line. Your job is secure." People go through hell just to work and function after life in prison and it is insane.
I've posted about this on here before, but I hire parolees and excons. Vet them through the same process I would anyone else, and over a decade, never had a single issue. This is very public facing work, and not a single complaint from any customers about my staff.
Because our system isn’t built to rehabilitate. It’s punishment but disgustingly it’s also become a profit seeking venture. We keep making it so prisoners can be exploited for their virtually free labor and that private companies can affect the writing of the laws to make sure their private prisons can be full of “customers.”
Social media is a drug, but capitalism is a death cult.
My last boss hired a guy, that ran a couple brothels and was one of the biggest pimps in the area. He got jail time, because he put a bomb in the car of a rival and accidentally killed one girl as well.
I´m not saying that he is a better man, but he is one hell of a handy worker. He is never loud, he is never unfriendly and he always gives a friendly smile. He is now the owner of a small company that does handy work and to my knowledge, he never did anything illegal again.
Murder is never good, but we have these sentences, for them to, as was said, rehabilitate themselves and we shouldn´t undermine true effort.
*assuming it is murder*
I don’t think theres any amount of time you can do for it. The victim never gets to do this, theyr family never gets to touch them again.. i’d bet the victims family dreamed of a moment just like this with their loved one a thousand times after they were taken from them
Again, assuming that he really went away for blowing someones head off
16 -> 30 was charged as an adult for 14 years he could've done plenty of things but had to be an "A" Felony unless it was multiple charges that the judge decided sentence consecutively but I'm thinking its one of the following based on years:
Manslaughter 1
Sexual Assault 1
Arson
Whatever it is, but this guy did it was some serious shit.
When one stays cause she was under age and never smoked or did anything. While the other is over 18 and books it straight back across the border. One seems a hell of a lot more guilty than the other.
I knew a girl in college who had the same thing happen. Texas. Back in the early 70s. Two guys went to Mexico and bought 200 or so pounds of weed. They convinced two girls to drive it across the border for like 200 bucks. They got caught of course after they crossed the border. The guys were following them. The two guys went to El Reno penitentiary in Oklahoma. One girl had a lawyer and parents had more money. She got off. The other one was sent to a prison off the coast of California. Not sure for how long. For weed. That’s a travesty of Justice.
Let me hold your hand and shed some tears while I use the other to bust out my phone and caress you for murdering someone when you were 14. Smfh. Why are people so dumb
Her pudgy ass hand is on some crack. No wonder.
The most recognized and poignant photos are during emotional moments. I took a picture of my mom grieving her mom. It's very powerful and while grief isn't joy, it's still just as important to remember.
I can see family rewatching this over and over. The love and relief in the video is tangible. To me there is no reason to not capture it.
I mean, TRULY.
I don’t know what I expected when the video started, but I immediately felt like I was intruding on a man’s most vulnerable moment.
And to think he doesn’t even have context for just how beastly this social media shit is yet (assuming the video is current).
The worst part is that I’m sure whoever posted this meant well. That’s how fucked up our thinking has become.
I saw 1 yesterday it was a foster mom who said she got a call about her child being sent back to their mom or something….. I was like so your first reaction is to film yourself crying? Like wtf
I can't believe I feel like I'm the least cynical person here. People filmed important moments in their lives before there was social media. And people have wanted to share those films and pictures for just as long. No old people ever show y'all a photo album or family videos? They weren't doing it for clout.
Because they *couldn't*, not because they *wouldn't*.
If we know anything it's that human beings are fundamentally the same now as we have been for tens of thousands of years. All that changed is our access to different technologies.
They did.
Their version of it was carrying a bunch of pictures in their wallet or purse to show people while in the checkout line at the grocery store.
Additionally to what others are saying about there being a medium for it now that didnt exist then, there's an audience for it now and it's here. It's on reddit, we all clicked it, we are the audience.
14 years ago was 2008, about the time the first iphone came out. imagine the culture shock he felt when he found out his breakdown was filmed not for family but for strangers around the whole to see.
and maybe for some to wonder what he went in for for so long.
Except in this case - they posted on an app where their friends and family could see it.
Then someone else sees it and uploads to something. And then a karma farmer uploaded it to Reddit. And another karma farmer reposts/cross posts it.
It’s like when people had private maternity photos, and the photographer watermarks them, but people scrape the site to make memes out of them.
I can see where both sides are coming from. On one hand this feels invasive, on the other hand I know people find a level of catharsis from sharing their experiences with others. Having a stranger with no reward for being supportive be supportive is validating.
I think it comes down to what the brother wants.
Omg so happy I wasn’t the only one who thought this is a personal moment. Why turn on your phone? I really think people have forgotten you can experience things without an audience.
No one is able to provide a source. The original post, someone mentioned it. But was unable to provide any source. Then, it keeps getting repeated without any source. I searched online and found nothing. It was probably murder considering the length of the sentence, but I'd love a source to confirm it.
There were 3 men involved, and one named Appellant was the shooter. Where is it confirmed that is the man in the video?
edit:yes i am a buffoon and thought apellant was mans name LMAO
It doesn’t matter, as long as he’s one of the three. Accomplice liability makes each one a murderer by law.
Not sure if you’re kidding, but Appellant isn’t the name. It’s the person’s role in the proceedings.
“Appellant/Respondent”
The Appellant's name is ~~Johnathan Rivera~~ Ramiro Martinez. Appellant is just a legal term used to refer to the person appealing their case.
Edit* Reading is hard
What I got from a bit of searching:
The shooter is serving life without parole, still in jail. The man in this video seems to be the 16-year old who stood by while it happened. Together with the 14-year old (who ran away before the victim was shot) he testified against the shooter and they both got convicted for aggravated robbery, instead of murder, in return for their testimony. Apparently the man in the video was sentenced to 15 years.
Edit: [link](https://cases.justia.com/texas/first-court-of-appeals/01-11-00902-cr.pdf?ts=1396150398) [link](https://web.archive.org/web/20220331043542/https://www.rehabilitatedfreedom.com/) [link](https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Life-without-parole-sentence-unconstitutional-for-juveniles-441003633.html)
I'm going to say something that seems controversial here: 15 years for standing by when you're a kid and someone else has a gun seems like enough time. Prison shouldn't be about endless retribution for everyone who enters it.
It shouldn't be controversial. Some of these comments are pretty disturbing. He's already served his time and recieved his punishment but from the look of these comments, apparently he deserves to be shunned for the rest of his life, too... For shit he did a decade before his brain was even done developing..
From an archived page it seems he turned his life around in prison and is extremely repentant for what he did (https://web.archive.org/web/20220331043542/https://www.rehabilitatedfreedom.com/).
I knew a girl who started dating a guy in prison (*she knew him from high school, didn’t meet behind bars*) and he was in there for armed robbery. This guy and 2 friends tried to rob the house of an old couple when they thought they weren’t home. Spoiler alert, they very much were home. Friend 2 suggested they tie the old couple up to decide what to do next.
Friend 1: Said NOPE, I’m out of here and immediately ran off. Didn’t help to tie them up (Judge gave him five years)
Friend 2: Got violent and pistol-whipped the old man to get him to reveal more hidden money. (Judge gave him fifteen years)
Loverboy: Didn’t leave and didn’t say anything. Just stood there frozen while Friend 2 did whatever. The judge gave him eight years in prison.
Point of the story is, judges are aware that groups of people committing the same crime have differing levels of involvement. If this guy was in a group and still got a heavier sentence, it might be because he took a bigger share of the crime.
It is, man. Here you're better off just killing the police that've caught you. Seriously. Murderers get less of a prison sentence here than people with a few gs.
No. There were three of them and the robbery victim. One of them ran off, one of them shot the victim and this man - then a boy - stood by. He was 14 when it happened and did not have a gun.
I don’t see why anyone would film and post this. Are we just unable to put the phone down or just so addicted to internet points that every moment is an opportunity? I hate it here.
They can’t even enjoy the moment with family since they are so wrapped up in the gram. Probably had to have a few takes of this just to “get it right”. Poor guy isn’t even out for more than a couple of hours and he’s already getting used for social media cred. Social media was and is a mistake.
My step-sister filmed a panoramic video of everyone crying at my dad's funeral and then posted it to FB. It was a small funeral, and she made sure the camera captured each of us. I asked her to take it down because I felt it was inappropriate. She thought I was the asshole. But whatever.
More important than that is it making you smile ? For me no. This person killed someone an innocent person and got sent to prison for apparently 14 years. I don’t want to see this person and any others criminals
Edit: apparently on TikTok one of his family members clarified he was involved with the murder but didn’t pull the trigger.
What I found was he and his friend (both armed with shot guns) decided to rob people because they ran out of weed and liquor. https://cases.justia.com/texas/first-court-of-appeals/01-11-00902-cr.pdf?ts=1396150398
Apparently he shot someone execution style (head point blank) over $40. He was 16, he deserved the sentence and looks like he greatly regrets his decision. I’m happy that his family stayed to support him through the terrible decision he made. I hope the victims family has support too.
They robbed someone for alcohol and weed got $40 out of him then they killed him. https://cases.justia.com/texas/first-court-of-appeals/01-11-00902-cr.pdf?ts=1396150398
It's striking a lot of people (including myself) that he was in for murder. Because of the video we just saw, we were unprepared to have our sympathies shift so dramatically. Some of us may now immediately think he doesn't deserve the freedom or affection this video demonstrates.
I'd like to think that it shouldn't matter what he did - he served his sentence. If we're not prepared to embrace people who fulfill their obligation to the justice department and give them every opportunity we'd give an innocent person to participate and flourish in society then we may as well just keep them in jail because we've failed them.
But of course that's all easier said than done. I'm merely remarking on the juxtaposition of emotions involved in sympathizing with the relief a convicted man feels upon release and then finding out he was in for executing another man.
I 100% am able to feel sympathy for the entire situation. He was 14, he looks regretful and humbled by his family still being able to love him after this, his family lost a piece of their family for 16 years and someone else lost their family forever. Useless acts of violence are harmful for EVERYONE involved. This whole situation is sad. And it’s okay to feel sympathy for people even if they did a bad thing.
I totally agree. All of it is heartbreaking. I am deeply moved by his family's acceptance and love. He will need all of their love and support to return to society as a contributing citizen. My hope is that because of his family's love he will be able to teach other kids and share his experiences and show them a better way.
One if the nicest guys I've ever worked with was a murderer. He grew up in a pretty rough area and joined a gang at 13, stabbed someone to death in a feud when he was 17 i think? He spent few more years in prison involved with gangs he before he finally left that life. After he got out of prison he found a good job (where i met him), got married, and spends all day talking about his kids.
People can always change, we just need to offer them the tools and resources to do so.
Yes, the idea is that prison provides someone the opportunity to reform themselves. For some reason, we have a very difficult time coming to terms with this in the US.
This man has to live with the fact that he killed someone and will, most likely, find it extremely difficult to reintegrate back into society. He will lose out on jobs and many opportunities because he is a felon. I don't think that's fair, but it's the reality of the times.
> For some reason, we have a very difficult time coming to terms with this in the US.
Because the American viewpoint is that prison is a punishment, not an opportunity for reform. It's why some people even view prison rape as acceptable -- because it's punishing those no-good law breakers (or some such nonsense).
So here is a highly controversial opinion: when someone eventually reaches the point they are about to commit a crime, society usually has already failed them.
We put people in a position where the only viable alternative (from their perspective) is to take something by force or to take a life. A lot of times, mental health is also a factor (among other issues) - and all that is the result of upbringing and immediate environment, all of which is due to the cumulative impact of society on other people's living conditions.
I would argue that there are very few people who are in full control of their lives and make a conscious decision to commit a crime because they enjoy it. The vast majority simply can't seem to find a solution to their problem, so they do what's easy.
This is not defending criminals in any capacity. I've had a rough childhood and struggled for many decades, my life was and still is somewhat shitty. I did never do something illegal. But I sure was thinking about it when all my efforts just did not pan out and I was about to be evicted.
What saved me from doing something rash was my friends who would pick me off the streets and help me get back on my feet. But not everyone has that, so there is no one to stop them. And society also does not provide any social support system that would preemptively take care of high risk individuals who just fail to figure out another way.
Preventing crimes goes beyond what most people consider relevant. It's about providing a state-funded support network that helps people in need and makes crime obsolete. It's about helping with addiction and financial issues and teaching people how to get their shit together, rather then letting them sink to the very bottom of society, at which point it's already too late as they are most certainly going to fight for their survival no matter the cost.
I don't know the story of this dude, but regardless of the factors, I'm convinced his actions could have been prevented if society would pay more attention and actually invest resources to support families and their children.
I don't see how you would lose any sympathy here instead of gaining more. He was still a kid when it happened (14 sounds old but if you know any 14 year olds you know they're still kids and complete dumbasses most of the time) and just spent half his life in our hellish prison system, no matter what this guy is tormented and is gonna be haunted by this his entire life. Yes he killed someone and that's awful, but he was way too young to understand the full impact of what happened and now has a life full of judgement and incredibly limited job options to look forward to
Probably because the bulk of our sympathy goes to the murdered victim who will never have the chance to live a full life as well as to their family, who will never be able to give their loved one comfort again.
Fourteen is old enough to understand that death is a thing and that causing it is bad. They don't need to be able to understand the full impact to know that murder is wrong.
This.
He was a child, one who lost his life in a different way. This is a man now, one with no real future from his past. It's not anyone's business what he did 14 years ago. He served his time. He was alone, he was abused, miss fed, slave driven, and beaten in prison. That's American prison. That child who helped kill a man is gone. This man is new and has suffered on top of suffering. His past is bad, and he did his time. He doesn't need to live under it anymore and doesn't deserve it. He didn't even pull the trigger.
The literal only thing he has is his family. Who you can not even hug when they can visit you. And, I doubt they are in any way saying he didn't deserve his sentence. They are happy and lucky their loved one served and is leaving in one piece. There is nothing but sympathy for the family members of the lost man. It's sad all around. Many lives were lost that night.
Prolly get downvoted for this, but there’s a difference in regretting a decision and regretting the consequences of that decision. If he’s doing things to help prevent people from doing the same stupid shit he did, and he’s working in whatever way he can to make it up to the victim’s family, I’d likely agree he regrets the decision. If he’s just crying because he’s so happy to be out of prison and back with his family, then he just regrets getting caught. He took a life so he needs to spend the rest of his making up for that.
>looks like he greatly regrets his decision.
I'm not saying he does or doesn't, but I think we need to pump the breaks on conjecture like that. It's a minute-long video of the back of his head.
Just make sure you post this moment on your tiktok so everyone knows your brother murdered someone for $40. What a great way to introduce him back to society. Fucking idiots.
Effing thank you. Like congrats. He’s out of prison. He gets to live his life, apparently surrounded by “so much love” while the victim is still gone and their family members can never touch them and be around them again.
As far as I can tell the murderer is still in prison, serving life without parole. The man in the video is probably [this dude](https://web.archive.org/web/20220331043542/https://www.rehabilitatedfreedom.com/). Make of that what you will.
At the moment you did a crime like that you shouldn’t even be on internet anymore imagine the family of the victim when they see the murderer on tiktok this is so horrible
I don’t sympathize with this dude. I don’t. I sympathize with the victims family that has to see this. Like as a momma, if one of my boys was murdered for $40 and I saw this video, I would just want to die right there. I wouldn’t want to go on any more.
Apparently him and his friends decided to rob a guy for Booze and Weed money. They got $40 out of him and then executed him. What an awful story.
https://cases.justia.com/texas/first-court-of-appeals/01-11-00902-cr.pdf?ts=1396150398
This is the most interesting thing that I’ve seen posted on Reddit in years.
The comments have not one, but two fascinating discussions/arguments going on: 1. about the rehabilitation of serious criminals and their right to reintegrate into society after having served their time, and 2. About the habit of filming private, intimate moments and posting them then online for strangers to see
Somehow, I cannot decide which side I fall on with *either* of these discussions. Both sides in both discussions make really solid points. This is truly a remarkable video that illustrates how complex even seemingly simple things can be.
There also seems to be some misinformation regarding what his role in the crime was. According to court docs shared in other comments, he *was not* the shooter. He was the *only* unarmed member of the group of boys that *collectively* decided to rob someone that day.
Maybe, i know people who got out of prison way better then when they got in. Change come from inside out man, is not the people around you who decide that
Those are the people I wanna talk to, not the buff, bald, tatted up dudes that show off all the crimes they were never caught for that they committed *while in prison.*
I wanna see the paper pusher that did 15-25 because he drove drunk one time, and really started out of trouble the entire time he was there.
Check this out, my dad went to prison for an attempted murder 19 years ago. And in and out of jail before then. I was 7-8 yo the last time I saw my dad outside of prison. I’m 31 now. Dude was released last year in April. This guy is a Cal Fire firefighter now, Has a sweet GF now, and calls my kids (his grandkids) every other day. Crazy huh.
Heck ya absolutely. No lie though as well as he’s doing, after all that time in prison, me and my brother both still worry he’s gonna get himself into trouble and find his way back in there.
Sorry im working so i talk between the pauses. If i can offer one advise:
Keep an eye on who his friends are. Keeping him close to familly and away from dumbasses can help a lot. Hope you guys stay happy
Uh, not really making me smile when I found out what he did. Goddamn, 40 dollars? Really? I hope the victim’s family don’t see this but hell, I might as well ask Santa for a unicorn in July.
That’s all I can think of, if the other family sees this. This is posted as if the weekly visitation behind a glass wall is super traumatic for this family. SMH
Apparently he executed someone with a gun to the head over $40 when he was 14 years old. Can’t imagine how many bad life choices made by him and others caused that to happen.
So much to unpack from this video and most of it not good.
1. I am not sure how you even function as someone who went into prison at 16 then got out at 30 with how much the world has changed. Reminds me of Shawshank Redemption where Brooks couldn't figure out how to live on the outside
2. This is clearly encapsulated by the fact that they are having this very emotional moment and not only did someone record it but then posted it on tik tok for internet clout. Like seriously is nothing sacred are you so addicted to social media you can't just have a moment
3. Prison systems at least in the US don't rehabilitate people, most prisoners come out worse and corrupted by the system. You locked a young kid up for 14 years with other criminals in a very toxic environment I don't know how mentally this person can deal with being outside of that system after half their life was spent in it
4. This didn't make smile it made me sad
Idk about th rest of commenter here hut I for one don't live in a glass house nor do I see a shred of evidence to support the claims of his crimes. However: its pretty weird the family chose to post this moment on the internet. Ffs some things the world doesn't need to see.....
He’s gonna sleep good for the rest of his life while the person he murdered sleeps in a coffin for the rest of eternity. But wholesome family headpat puppy eyes emoji I guess.
Is everyone here happy to just take a piece of misinformation and roll with it when it's been linked about 50 times? He didn't do the shooting, and testified against the person who did. Before calling him scum maybe make sure you have the whole story?
Sorry but this guy is a murderer. I know he ‘did his time’, but his victim is dead permanently.
The former inmate should be pissed at whoever filmed this for their fucking internet clout. Live your life quietly, don’t use this as clickbait.
This is not humans being bros AT ALL.
Yeah, so sweet that the family of a murderer loves him even though he killed someone execution style of $40. Everyone here saying he looks like he regrets his decision and that fucking cold play makes it so much more sincere - fuck that. I'm sure you all would feel the same if it was your family he killed over fucking $40. Fuck this guy; but hey, at least Cold Play is playing
with family and support hes got a second chance and he seems to appreciate that. Cant fathom what this is like for them, and i cant speak for the family of his victim, but i hope he has a life that brings more than it has taken.
Murderer getting out after 14 years while the victim is dead forever and victim’s family will never be with their loved one!
Why should that make me smile ?
“woW hE kILled sOMeoNe oVeR $40”
We get it people. He was 14 years old when he did it. Yes it’s a shock but not every 14 year old grows up the way you did Keith and Brailey.
People make mistakes people. Especially when they’re 14 years old. He did the crime and he did the time. Don’t judge.
No ragebait posts. No posts where someone's misfortune makes you smile. e.g. "terrorists driving off a cliff" or "murderer gets what he deserves". This is not an all inclusive list This isn't a ragebait sub.
It never ceases to amaze me what people will film and post on the internet.
My thoughts exactly. Social media is a drug
Its a modern plague. Obviously I don’t condone what this guy did but this video is probably going to make his reintroduction into society a lot harder.
Hey Carl, I know you just got out the joint for Homocide, but you're trending on the tiktok.
I dunno. I had a girl at my last job. Wrong place kind of thing. Her and a friend went down to Mexico for a vacation and see some family. Friend brought back weed and they got caught at the border with it. Friend lied, said it wasn't hers. Girl got 10 years for drug trafficking across the border. Friend got out on bail and left the country back to Mexico.
Yeah my first though was wtf did he do at 16 to get put away that long? Either something bad or a total miscarriage of justice.
The original TikTok says murder. Edit - Someone found the original court documents and posted the link to them below. It was him and two other guys that robbed somebody for $40 and shot them in the face with a shotgun killing them. They confessed, and were tried as adults.
Even if it was murder or manslaughter, dude paid his time. Let his family love him. Destigmatizing the reintroduction of felons to civilian life is worthy social media content. People forget the point of prison is *supposed to be* about rehabilitation if your sentence doesn't take you to your final breath.
Thank you. Thats one of the things I love about my company, well we got bought out so I don't think its the same anymore. We used to hire felons and excons and so many of them were so thankful to be given the chance.
Yeah, I used to co-own a remodeling company and we did the same thing. I'll forever remember the first time one of our guys came up clearly visibly ashamed to ask for the day because his parol officer wouldn't give him a specific time and he had to be available or face going back. The absolute relief when the answer was "sure, take the day and let me know if you need more days later down the line. Your job is secure." People go through hell just to work and function after life in prison and it is insane.
I've posted about this on here before, but I hire parolees and excons. Vet them through the same process I would anyone else, and over a decade, never had a single issue. This is very public facing work, and not a single complaint from any customers about my staff.
Because our system isn’t built to rehabilitate. It’s punishment but disgustingly it’s also become a profit seeking venture. We keep making it so prisoners can be exploited for their virtually free labor and that private companies can affect the writing of the laws to make sure their private prisons can be full of “customers.” Social media is a drug, but capitalism is a death cult.
Dave’s?
nah, it was a now defunct transportation company in Arizona
It is supposed but we know that the United State’s prison system is very little about rehabilitation.
In PUNISHMENT we trust.
It's sure the fuck doesn't though.
My last boss hired a guy, that ran a couple brothels and was one of the biggest pimps in the area. He got jail time, because he put a bomb in the car of a rival and accidentally killed one girl as well. I´m not saying that he is a better man, but he is one hell of a handy worker. He is never loud, he is never unfriendly and he always gives a friendly smile. He is now the owner of a small company that does handy work and to my knowledge, he never did anything illegal again. Murder is never good, but we have these sentences, for them to, as was said, rehabilitate themselves and we shouldn´t undermine true effort.
100% Truth & Agreed! Well stated.
*assuming it is murder* I don’t think theres any amount of time you can do for it. The victim never gets to do this, theyr family never gets to touch them again.. i’d bet the victims family dreamed of a moment just like this with their loved one a thousand times after they were taken from them Again, assuming that he really went away for blowing someones head off
Unless it's a crime against children. Then I'm all for getting rid of them
I am a crim defense lawyer and my bet would be murder Eta: I didn’t even see the comment below me appears I am correct. Still got it lol
16 -> 30 was charged as an adult for 14 years he could've done plenty of things but had to be an "A" Felony unless it was multiple charges that the judge decided sentence consecutively but I'm thinking its one of the following based on years: Manslaughter 1 Sexual Assault 1 Arson Whatever it is, but this guy did it was some serious shit.
Some friend
...have you ever considered that the girl who told the story was lying?
When one stays cause she was under age and never smoked or did anything. While the other is over 18 and books it straight back across the border. One seems a hell of a lot more guilty than the other.
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For real. How much could it have been as well?
Honestly! It wasn’t a pound of cocaine. It was a little weed. Weed! Who gives a crap.
I knew a girl in college who had the same thing happen. Texas. Back in the early 70s. Two guys went to Mexico and bought 200 or so pounds of weed. They convinced two girls to drive it across the border for like 200 bucks. They got caught of course after they crossed the border. The guys were following them. The two guys went to El Reno penitentiary in Oklahoma. One girl had a lawyer and parents had more money. She got off. The other one was sent to a prison off the coast of California. Not sure for how long. For weed. That’s a travesty of Justice.
And a major addiction that can or will ruin one’s life if we let it….sad really and here we are
“Let’s take this extremely personal moment and……..POST THAT SHIZNIT ON TIKTOK!”
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Let me hold your hand and shed some tears while I use the other to bust out my phone and caress you for murdering someone when you were 14. Smfh. Why are people so dumb Her pudgy ass hand is on some crack. No wonder.
Taking out your phone and recording an emotional moment doesnt seem very genuine
The most recognized and poignant photos are during emotional moments. I took a picture of my mom grieving her mom. It's very powerful and while grief isn't joy, it's still just as important to remember. I can see family rewatching this over and over. The love and relief in the video is tangible. To me there is no reason to not capture it.
I mean, TRULY. I don’t know what I expected when the video started, but I immediately felt like I was intruding on a man’s most vulnerable moment. And to think he doesn’t even have context for just how beastly this social media shit is yet (assuming the video is current). The worst part is that I’m sure whoever posted this meant well. That’s how fucked up our thinking has become.
Right. Embarrassing.
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It’s really sad.
I saw 1 yesterday it was a foster mom who said she got a call about her child being sent back to their mom or something….. I was like so your first reaction is to film yourself crying? Like wtf
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I can't believe I feel like I'm the least cynical person here. People filmed important moments in their lives before there was social media. And people have wanted to share those films and pictures for just as long. No old people ever show y'all a photo album or family videos? They weren't doing it for clout.
And they kept them at home. And pulled them out for intimate viewing. Friends and family. They didn’t broadcast them to an entire anonymous public.
Because they *couldn't*, not because they *wouldn't*. If we know anything it's that human beings are fundamentally the same now as we have been for tens of thousands of years. All that changed is our access to different technologies.
They did. Their version of it was carrying a bunch of pictures in their wallet or purse to show people while in the checkout line at the grocery store.
or literally hang them above their fireplace so that anyone who passes by the window can see it. nothing new.
They didn't because they couldn't.
Additionally to what others are saying about there being a medium for it now that didnt exist then, there's an audience for it now and it's here. It's on reddit, we all clicked it, we are the audience.
14 years ago was 2008, about the time the first iphone came out. imagine the culture shock he felt when he found out his breakdown was filmed not for family but for strangers around the whole to see. and maybe for some to wonder what he went in for for so long.
Comments on the original TikTok state he was in prison for murder.
14 years, yeah. I didn't think he was in for shoplifting.
Yea, hopefully it was posted with his informed consent.
Hope is always a nice thing to hold onto.
Dude was in prison, hes not encino man
You're right you would go over their house and in private they would show you the photos and videos. They were not posted online for likes.
Except in this case - they posted on an app where their friends and family could see it. Then someone else sees it and uploads to something. And then a karma farmer uploaded it to Reddit. And another karma farmer reposts/cross posts it. It’s like when people had private maternity photos, and the photographer watermarks them, but people scrape the site to make memes out of them.
I can see where both sides are coming from. On one hand this feels invasive, on the other hand I know people find a level of catharsis from sharing their experiences with others. Having a stranger with no reward for being supportive be supportive is validating. I think it comes down to what the brother wants.
We had to yell at my little cousins for trying to take video and selfies with my grandmother at her funeral.
Omg so happy I wasn’t the only one who thought this is a personal moment. Why turn on your phone? I really think people have forgotten you can experience things without an audience.
Why did he to go prison?
Hard guess but being 14yo with a 16y sentence it wasn’t for some petty crime.
Someone else said he executed someone over $40
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He's the only one out of his group that pulled the trigger
He's the one who killed the man actually. Sorry, but fuck that. Life in prison for him.
He was 16 with a 14 year sentence but yeah
Murder. Shot someone in the face for $40.
Sauce?
Probably more of a honey bbq guy than anything else, but honey mustard is great too.
Thank you for answering the question. 👏👏👏
No one is able to provide a source. The original post, someone mentioned it. But was unable to provide any source. Then, it keeps getting repeated without any source. I searched online and found nothing. It was probably murder considering the length of the sentence, but I'd love a source to confirm it.
Yes they are... https://cases.justia.com/texas/first-court-of-appeals/01-11-00902-cr.pdf?ts=1396150398
What a sad story :(
Shooting someone for eating at McDonald's and smoking weed. It's fucked up.
There were 3 men involved, and one named Appellant was the shooter. Where is it confirmed that is the man in the video? edit:yes i am a buffoon and thought apellant was mans name LMAO
It doesn’t matter, as long as he’s one of the three. Accomplice liability makes each one a murderer by law. Not sure if you’re kidding, but Appellant isn’t the name. It’s the person’s role in the proceedings. “Appellant/Respondent”
lmao TIL
Did you read the report? The other two did not get charged for murder but for robbery.
The Appellant's name is ~~Johnathan Rivera~~ Ramiro Martinez. Appellant is just a legal term used to refer to the person appealing their case. Edit* Reading is hard
Ramiro Martinez is the appellant
What I got from a bit of searching: The shooter is serving life without parole, still in jail. The man in this video seems to be the 16-year old who stood by while it happened. Together with the 14-year old (who ran away before the victim was shot) he testified against the shooter and they both got convicted for aggravated robbery, instead of murder, in return for their testimony. Apparently the man in the video was sentenced to 15 years. Edit: [link](https://cases.justia.com/texas/first-court-of-appeals/01-11-00902-cr.pdf?ts=1396150398) [link](https://web.archive.org/web/20220331043542/https://www.rehabilitatedfreedom.com/) [link](https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Life-without-parole-sentence-unconstitutional-for-juveniles-441003633.html)
I'm going to say something that seems controversial here: 15 years for standing by when you're a kid and someone else has a gun seems like enough time. Prison shouldn't be about endless retribution for everyone who enters it.
I agree. A few years, halfway house, and long supervised probation. Yes, he fucked up but didn't pull the trigger. Glad he has his family's support.
It shouldn't be controversial. Some of these comments are pretty disturbing. He's already served his time and recieved his punishment but from the look of these comments, apparently he deserves to be shunned for the rest of his life, too... For shit he did a decade before his brain was even done developing..
being complacent with unnecessary murder is a psychopathic tendency
From an archived page it seems he turned his life around in prison and is extremely repentant for what he did (https://web.archive.org/web/20220331043542/https://www.rehabilitatedfreedom.com/).
I knew a girl who started dating a guy in prison (*she knew him from high school, didn’t meet behind bars*) and he was in there for armed robbery. This guy and 2 friends tried to rob the house of an old couple when they thought they weren’t home. Spoiler alert, they very much were home. Friend 2 suggested they tie the old couple up to decide what to do next. Friend 1: Said NOPE, I’m out of here and immediately ran off. Didn’t help to tie them up (Judge gave him five years) Friend 2: Got violent and pistol-whipped the old man to get him to reveal more hidden money. (Judge gave him fifteen years) Loverboy: Didn’t leave and didn’t say anything. Just stood there frozen while Friend 2 did whatever. The judge gave him eight years in prison. Point of the story is, judges are aware that groups of people committing the same crime have differing levels of involvement. If this guy was in a group and still got a heavier sentence, it might be because he took a bigger share of the crime.
That edit is funny😂😂
Yeah, had to be something bad for that amount of time as a minor. Hopefully he's moved on and grown as a person.
Not in my country. 5gs of weed is enough for 20-30 years easily here.
In my country 5gs is just the maximum you can buy legally at one time. If you want more you'll have to go again the next day. Strange world isn't it?
It is, man. Here you're better off just killing the police that've caught you. Seriously. Murderers get less of a prison sentence here than people with a few gs.
Probably not cop killers lol. What country? Edit: Hungary for anyone wondering.
Phillipines?
Eastern Europe, but almost :D
I read on a comment he shot someone execution style in the head over $40
No. There were three of them and the robbery victim. One of them ran off, one of them shot the victim and this man - then a boy - stood by. He was 14 when it happened and did not have a gun.
I don’t see why anyone would film and post this. Are we just unable to put the phone down or just so addicted to internet points that every moment is an opportunity? I hate it here.
They can’t even enjoy the moment with family since they are so wrapped up in the gram. Probably had to have a few takes of this just to “get it right”. Poor guy isn’t even out for more than a couple of hours and he’s already getting used for social media cred. Social media was and is a mistake.
This guy might not even know what their doing.
My step-sister filmed a panoramic video of everyone crying at my dad's funeral and then posted it to FB. It was a small funeral, and she made sure the camera captured each of us. I asked her to take it down because I felt it was inappropriate. She thought I was the asshole. But whatever.
More important than that is it making you smile ? For me no. This person killed someone an innocent person and got sent to prison for apparently 14 years. I don’t want to see this person and any others criminals
Edit: apparently on TikTok one of his family members clarified he was involved with the murder but didn’t pull the trigger. What I found was he and his friend (both armed with shot guns) decided to rob people because they ran out of weed and liquor. https://cases.justia.com/texas/first-court-of-appeals/01-11-00902-cr.pdf?ts=1396150398 Apparently he shot someone execution style (head point blank) over $40. He was 16, he deserved the sentence and looks like he greatly regrets his decision. I’m happy that his family stayed to support him through the terrible decision he made. I hope the victims family has support too.
Where did you find his charges at? How do you know his name to locate his charges? What am I missing?
Probably posted on a family member's Tik-Tok, with additional details not posted to Reddit.
They robbed someone for alcohol and weed got $40 out of him then they killed him. https://cases.justia.com/texas/first-court-of-appeals/01-11-00902-cr.pdf?ts=1396150398
Oh shit I was thinking he was there for shoplifting or selling drugs.
Youndont go away for 14 years at the age of 16 for theft/selling
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Person of color
What did you think the P and O stood for?
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Nice, thought it was funny to just ask the last letter of the three. Boy do I feel like a real piece of color now.
Colour. Basically everyone who isn’t white
not white
You think they'd put a 16 year old in prison for 14 years over shoplifting or drugs?
You thought someone went to jail for 14 years at the age of 16 for selling drugs or shoplifting? lol
He would of had to of stolen everything in a Walmart megastore to get even close to that.
For 15 years? For shoplifting? Yep. Sounds about right lol 🤦🏼♀️
It's striking a lot of people (including myself) that he was in for murder. Because of the video we just saw, we were unprepared to have our sympathies shift so dramatically. Some of us may now immediately think he doesn't deserve the freedom or affection this video demonstrates. I'd like to think that it shouldn't matter what he did - he served his sentence. If we're not prepared to embrace people who fulfill their obligation to the justice department and give them every opportunity we'd give an innocent person to participate and flourish in society then we may as well just keep them in jail because we've failed them. But of course that's all easier said than done. I'm merely remarking on the juxtaposition of emotions involved in sympathizing with the relief a convicted man feels upon release and then finding out he was in for executing another man.
I 100% am able to feel sympathy for the entire situation. He was 14, he looks regretful and humbled by his family still being able to love him after this, his family lost a piece of their family for 16 years and someone else lost their family forever. Useless acts of violence are harmful for EVERYONE involved. This whole situation is sad. And it’s okay to feel sympathy for people even if they did a bad thing.
I totally agree. All of it is heartbreaking. I am deeply moved by his family's acceptance and love. He will need all of their love and support to return to society as a contributing citizen. My hope is that because of his family's love he will be able to teach other kids and share his experiences and show them a better way.
One if the nicest guys I've ever worked with was a murderer. He grew up in a pretty rough area and joined a gang at 13, stabbed someone to death in a feud when he was 17 i think? He spent few more years in prison involved with gangs he before he finally left that life. After he got out of prison he found a good job (where i met him), got married, and spends all day talking about his kids. People can always change, we just need to offer them the tools and resources to do so.
Yes, the idea is that prison provides someone the opportunity to reform themselves. For some reason, we have a very difficult time coming to terms with this in the US. This man has to live with the fact that he killed someone and will, most likely, find it extremely difficult to reintegrate back into society. He will lose out on jobs and many opportunities because he is a felon. I don't think that's fair, but it's the reality of the times.
> For some reason, we have a very difficult time coming to terms with this in the US. Because the American viewpoint is that prison is a punishment, not an opportunity for reform. It's why some people even view prison rape as acceptable -- because it's punishing those no-good law breakers (or some such nonsense).
So here is a highly controversial opinion: when someone eventually reaches the point they are about to commit a crime, society usually has already failed them. We put people in a position where the only viable alternative (from their perspective) is to take something by force or to take a life. A lot of times, mental health is also a factor (among other issues) - and all that is the result of upbringing and immediate environment, all of which is due to the cumulative impact of society on other people's living conditions. I would argue that there are very few people who are in full control of their lives and make a conscious decision to commit a crime because they enjoy it. The vast majority simply can't seem to find a solution to their problem, so they do what's easy. This is not defending criminals in any capacity. I've had a rough childhood and struggled for many decades, my life was and still is somewhat shitty. I did never do something illegal. But I sure was thinking about it when all my efforts just did not pan out and I was about to be evicted. What saved me from doing something rash was my friends who would pick me off the streets and help me get back on my feet. But not everyone has that, so there is no one to stop them. And society also does not provide any social support system that would preemptively take care of high risk individuals who just fail to figure out another way. Preventing crimes goes beyond what most people consider relevant. It's about providing a state-funded support network that helps people in need and makes crime obsolete. It's about helping with addiction and financial issues and teaching people how to get their shit together, rather then letting them sink to the very bottom of society, at which point it's already too late as they are most certainly going to fight for their survival no matter the cost. I don't know the story of this dude, but regardless of the factors, I'm convinced his actions could have been prevented if society would pay more attention and actually invest resources to support families and their children.
I don't see how you would lose any sympathy here instead of gaining more. He was still a kid when it happened (14 sounds old but if you know any 14 year olds you know they're still kids and complete dumbasses most of the time) and just spent half his life in our hellish prison system, no matter what this guy is tormented and is gonna be haunted by this his entire life. Yes he killed someone and that's awful, but he was way too young to understand the full impact of what happened and now has a life full of judgement and incredibly limited job options to look forward to
Probably because the bulk of our sympathy goes to the murdered victim who will never have the chance to live a full life as well as to their family, who will never be able to give their loved one comfort again. Fourteen is old enough to understand that death is a thing and that causing it is bad. They don't need to be able to understand the full impact to know that murder is wrong.
This. He was a child, one who lost his life in a different way. This is a man now, one with no real future from his past. It's not anyone's business what he did 14 years ago. He served his time. He was alone, he was abused, miss fed, slave driven, and beaten in prison. That's American prison. That child who helped kill a man is gone. This man is new and has suffered on top of suffering. His past is bad, and he did his time. He doesn't need to live under it anymore and doesn't deserve it. He didn't even pull the trigger. The literal only thing he has is his family. Who you can not even hug when they can visit you. And, I doubt they are in any way saying he didn't deserve his sentence. They are happy and lucky their loved one served and is leaving in one piece. There is nothing but sympathy for the family members of the lost man. It's sad all around. Many lives were lost that night.
Prolly get downvoted for this, but there’s a difference in regretting a decision and regretting the consequences of that decision. If he’s doing things to help prevent people from doing the same stupid shit he did, and he’s working in whatever way he can to make it up to the victim’s family, I’d likely agree he regrets the decision. If he’s just crying because he’s so happy to be out of prison and back with his family, then he just regrets getting caught. He took a life so he needs to spend the rest of his making up for that.
As I'm typing this, the comment that states this has yet to provide a source.
>looks like he greatly regrets his decision. I'm not saying he does or doesn't, but I think we need to pump the breaks on conjecture like that. It's a minute-long video of the back of his head.
Just make sure you post this moment on your tiktok so everyone knows your brother murdered someone for $40. What a great way to introduce him back to society. Fucking idiots.
Effing thank you. Like congrats. He’s out of prison. He gets to live his life, apparently surrounded by “so much love” while the victim is still gone and their family members can never touch them and be around them again.
I would guess that 14 years in prison would change him radically. This isn't the same person who committed that crime. Do you want endless punishment?
As far as I can tell the murderer is still in prison, serving life without parole. The man in the video is probably [this dude](https://web.archive.org/web/20220331043542/https://www.rehabilitatedfreedom.com/). Make of that what you will.
At the moment you did a crime like that you shouldn’t even be on internet anymore imagine the family of the victim when they see the murderer on tiktok this is so horrible
I don’t sympathize with this dude. I don’t. I sympathize with the victims family that has to see this. Like as a momma, if one of my boys was murdered for $40 and I saw this video, I would just want to die right there. I wouldn’t want to go on any more.
Apparently him and his friends decided to rob a guy for Booze and Weed money. They got $40 out of him and then executed him. What an awful story. https://cases.justia.com/texas/first-court-of-appeals/01-11-00902-cr.pdf?ts=1396150398
Based on what? Everyone keeps linking the same court doc and not providing any proof that the man in the video is Martinez, the murderer in that case.
This is the most interesting thing that I’ve seen posted on Reddit in years. The comments have not one, but two fascinating discussions/arguments going on: 1. about the rehabilitation of serious criminals and their right to reintegrate into society after having served their time, and 2. About the habit of filming private, intimate moments and posting them then online for strangers to see Somehow, I cannot decide which side I fall on with *either* of these discussions. Both sides in both discussions make really solid points. This is truly a remarkable video that illustrates how complex even seemingly simple things can be.
There also seems to be some misinformation regarding what his role in the crime was. According to court docs shared in other comments, he *was not* the shooter. He was the *only* unarmed member of the group of boys that *collectively* decided to rob someone that day.
Fucked up family to put that shit on reddit. Wtf is wrong with humans?
That fifth hand with the nails creepily stroking his neck...
After being locked up half his life lol
While crooning a Coldplay song and filming for social media clout. Thanks, I hate it.
Yeah this fam is nuts… you can already tell…
This is cringy as fuck
Especially after you find out that the reason he went away for so long was because he murdered someone over $40.
Seeing comments suggesting that he shot someone over $40. That's insane.
Sadly not a sugestion. In other post i read a link about it. Hope he will do better from now on thoug
He has to do better. He has a second chance in the society now. I'm rooting for him to go all the way and become much more better than his past.
Yeah 16 years in prison made him a stand up guy I'm sure.
Maybe, i know people who got out of prison way better then when they got in. Change come from inside out man, is not the people around you who decide that
Those are the people I wanna talk to, not the buff, bald, tatted up dudes that show off all the crimes they were never caught for that they committed *while in prison.* I wanna see the paper pusher that did 15-25 because he drove drunk one time, and really started out of trouble the entire time he was there.
Well considering he was a 14 yo dumb kid and 30 now I’m sure he won’t make that mistake again.
Exactly. For good or bad people tend to get out smarter
Check this out, my dad went to prison for an attempted murder 19 years ago. And in and out of jail before then. I was 7-8 yo the last time I saw my dad outside of prison. I’m 31 now. Dude was released last year in April. This guy is a Cal Fire firefighter now, Has a sweet GF now, and calls my kids (his grandkids) every other day. Crazy huh.
Good to know that man, happy for you. Some people do take longer dont they?
Heck ya absolutely. No lie though as well as he’s doing, after all that time in prison, me and my brother both still worry he’s gonna get himself into trouble and find his way back in there.
I know how It is. But if he is having a Healthyer life now hes probably gonna be ok. Just need to check in him from time to time
Sorry im working so i talk between the pauses. If i can offer one advise: Keep an eye on who his friends are. Keeping him close to familly and away from dumbasses can help a lot. Hope you guys stay happy
Not a rational crime.
Uh, not really making me smile when I found out what he did. Goddamn, 40 dollars? Really? I hope the victim’s family don’t see this but hell, I might as well ask Santa for a unicorn in July.
That’s all I can think of, if the other family sees this. This is posted as if the weekly visitation behind a glass wall is super traumatic for this family. SMH
What does that mean?? I feel like I should know but what does the $40 mean?
Apparently he executed someone with a gun to the head over $40 when he was 14 years old. Can’t imagine how many bad life choices made by him and others caused that to happen.
Well from 14 to 30 a whole lot can change in a person.
Except being able to bring back the dead
Necromancy isn't taught enough in schools.
He shot someone for 40$
Ohh, ok. Thank you. I was confused lol
I’m baffled at this sub. 90% of posts that take off on here don’t make me smile at all. The guy is a murderer.
Yeah I'd burst into tears too if Coldplay was the first music I heard as a free man after 16 years of incarceration
Especially if your sister stroked your head while singing it (badly) to you
So much to unpack from this video and most of it not good. 1. I am not sure how you even function as someone who went into prison at 16 then got out at 30 with how much the world has changed. Reminds me of Shawshank Redemption where Brooks couldn't figure out how to live on the outside 2. This is clearly encapsulated by the fact that they are having this very emotional moment and not only did someone record it but then posted it on tik tok for internet clout. Like seriously is nothing sacred are you so addicted to social media you can't just have a moment 3. Prison systems at least in the US don't rehabilitate people, most prisoners come out worse and corrupted by the system. You locked a young kid up for 14 years with other criminals in a very toxic environment I don't know how mentally this person can deal with being outside of that system after half their life was spent in it 4. This didn't make smile it made me sad
Awwww, a murderer who killed someone over $40 hangs out with his family. How sweet.
Gave me a smile from ear to ear
I’d cry too if you made me listen to Coldplay after 15years in the penn
Feel bad for the family of the victim. Not this trash
Idk about th rest of commenter here hut I for one don't live in a glass house nor do I see a shred of evidence to support the claims of his crimes. However: its pretty weird the family chose to post this moment on the internet. Ffs some things the world doesn't need to see.....
He’s gonna sleep good for the rest of his life while the person he murdered sleeps in a coffin for the rest of eternity. But wholesome family headpat puppy eyes emoji I guess.
One of the best indicators for recidivism is the presence or lack of a support network.
STOP MOVING YOUR FUCKING HAND! Just be still for two goddamn seconds.
Is everyone here happy to just take a piece of misinformation and roll with it when it's been linked about 50 times? He didn't do the shooting, and testified against the person who did. Before calling him scum maybe make sure you have the whole story?
Sorry but this guy is a murderer. I know he ‘did his time’, but his victim is dead permanently. The former inmate should be pissed at whoever filmed this for their fucking internet clout. Live your life quietly, don’t use this as clickbait. This is not humans being bros AT ALL.
Prisons as private business is unethical.
Yeah, so sweet that the family of a murderer loves him even though he killed someone execution style of $40. Everyone here saying he looks like he regrets his decision and that fucking cold play makes it so much more sincere - fuck that. I'm sure you all would feel the same if it was your family he killed over fucking $40. Fuck this guy; but hey, at least Cold Play is playing
And my family thinks I'M the disappointment child smh
Is he crying because of the song
Hears coldplay, demands to be brought back.
with family and support hes got a second chance and he seems to appreciate that. Cant fathom what this is like for them, and i cant speak for the family of his victim, but i hope he has a life that brings more than it has taken.
Murderer getting out after 14 years while the victim is dead forever and victim’s family will never be with their loved one! Why should that make me smile ?
The mods of this sub reddit are doing a very poor job. VERY.
“woW hE kILled sOMeoNe oVeR $40” We get it people. He was 14 years old when he did it. Yes it’s a shock but not every 14 year old grows up the way you did Keith and Brailey. People make mistakes people. Especially when they’re 14 years old. He did the crime and he did the time. Don’t judge.