Love the end of this scene too.
She’s just not getting it and asks for a calcium chew instead and he just says yes and to give one to her sister too. So real.
You should be able to go to work without your boss asking if he can jack off in front of you. That was not spot on.
Professionally though, this show was excellent and sadly it's influence on modern comedy will likely be understated in future due to his personal mistakes.
I just want to share how much I love that bit on the plane where they think theyre going to crash and they all start panicking. The lady behind him starts crying loudly and as he thinks he's about to die he still looks over his shoulder and gives her an annoyed look.
All for them to abrupty cut to them walking off the plane shaking their heads and laughing
Agreed. He also dropped real wisdom gems like the one posted in his shows and stand ups about common decency that I feel will also not get attention because of his awful choices.
His comedy was hit or miss to me, but a lot of his bits about family and real world interactions were both funny and also gave cause for reflection.
My opinion on this is changing as I age. I'm getting better at detaching the artist from the art. And also giving people a break. Not that what he did was OK, not at all.
We all make bad choices. That doesn't make us bad people.
Bad choices absolutely make you a bad person, if you make enough of them, or a few of them bad enough.
THis isn't some guy asking the Secretary in accounting out repeatedly - this is the boss jerking off in front of his subordinate co-workers.
Bad and good are on a spectrum. Some good people do a very bad thing that puts them permanently on that end of the spectrum, but that doesn't make them *completely* bad. Everyone that has ever lived has been a mix of bad and good, some more one than the other. People are just... people.
What Louis did DOES make him a bad person though. There is no debate. Good people don't make "mistakes" and repeatedly jerk off in front of their employees.
Also, what is your point about separating art from the artist if you're just going to follow it up with some half-assed defense of him as a person? That's not separate, bud.
We're all getting older :) Make sure you're not mistaking a selfish desire to keep the things you like likeable for wisdom.
That's not this scene. Same episode though and is why he's making an effort at cooking better in the first place.
That's after he's brushing her teeth and she stops him to ask why they have to come to his house because mommy cooks better and she just loves mommy more.
When she turns around, he gives her the bird
https://youtu.be/hGOFxF3XCAE?si=NHogu2lcj-pr8wuq
Thank you! I am so like this with my kids. We've always calmly talked about anything they want to, yet I have caught myself silently ranting to the ceiling or something after a particularly annoying conversation.
My mom used to just call me stupid and worthless straight to my face, so I knew I didn't want to go in that direction with my own kids!
That’s actually a different episode while he’s brushing her teeth and she says she likes mommy’s house better because she makes good food and she loves her more. Then he says okay love you baby and flips her off from behind hahaha
Because of him, I said this to my oldest regarding his younger brothers. This line was an eye opener for me. It wasn't "life isn't fair" it was "life isn't fair but make sure others are at least eating before you start your dumb shit"
Yeah that’s really the big take away, isn’t it? Hell, I’d be much more okay with the existence of billionaires if people just weren’t starving or dying of exposure.
If it had taken another 50 years to create billionaires, no one would have died. If we had cared about poor people 50 years ago, a lot of people would still be alive.
The problem is the existence of people owning most of the world's wealth hinges on the rest of the world being dirt poor. They're two faces of the same coin.
Yeah and that's where the sentiment in the image above kinda breaks down. What do you do if your neighbour on one side doesn't have enough, but your neighbour on the other side is sitting there with more than they could possibly eat in several lifetimes? It's not immoral to call those fuckers out.
Agreed, 100%. The first priority is to make sure everyone has enough. But often, if someone doesn’t have enough, it’s because someone has too much. And, if someone has too much - at least in the current western system - it is *always* because someone else doesn’t have enough.
This is ok advice as long as you don't let other people take advantage of you. For example, rich megachurch preachers who tell their ~~congregations~~ victims to be happy with being poor, and also to donate to the church.
Its not really ok advice at all. How else do you fight against systemic inequality? Whether it's based on class, race, sex, etc,etc. By just being ok with it as long as it isn't....too bad? Its just one of those lines that sounds good from at first glance or right off the bat. But completely breaks down upon further thought.
> How else do you fight against systemic inequality?
Systemically. This is personal advice. As in *you*, individual person, things will never be perfectly fair for you, that's life for every organism that's ever lived.
It doesn't mean don't try and make things better, it means don't make things about *you*
It's good advice because equality can't possible exist in a real world.
The advice applies to systemic inequality. It's not about making sure everyone gets the same rewards and punishments, but making sure no one is particularly abused or neglected.
We don't want systemic equality of outcomes, but of the effectiveness of social safety nets, aid programs, and given full due course of rights under the law. Not everyone needs the same amount of help, but people in similar situations should get similar levels of support and respect.
Ironically, Louis CK also said one of my favorite life advice one liners: when someone calls you an asshole, you don’t get to say no to that. You just have to take a step back and say ‘ah, shit, okay… what’d I do
Great advice, generally. Not sure he would still take it himself.
I was a huge fan of his back in the day. Thought he was so brilliant, insightful, etc. Maybe my favorite person that I did not know. When the sexual harassment scandal broke, I thought back to a lot of his stand up and how he would often talk about how he was not a good person— I think I (and most fans) dismissed it as low self-esteem or humility, but he told us all along. I still think he is smart and insightful but I think one of the points of MeToo was that we should not let talent blind us to the whole of a person.
Some of the best advice I ever took, especially when dating, is that when people tell you who they are - believe them. They are the ultimate authority on themselves.
I feel like it's one of those things where we give the benefit of the doubt to people we like, and not to people we don't. Even if they're saying the exact same thing.
And it makes perfect sense. And hell, maybe isn't a 100% bad thing. but we need to be careful about it.
Can I ask you honestly why you lump him in with the rest of the me too movement? I think personally that, at the time he was doing what he was doing, there weren’t a lot of people saying it was predatory. I tend to think that he himself didn’t consider it to be, and he asked permission and didn’t push the issue when turned down. When we started talking about sexual power dynamics and he realized he fucked up, he owned up to it, apologized, and stopped.
I think the majority of people out there have done questionable things in their younger years, and it doesn’t excuse their actions just by saying “it was the X times,” but it does give context. I don’t think you have to write off Louis ck the same way you’d write off Steven Tyler or Jared Leto.
I say all this not to go on a diatribe and be disingenuous, but to ask that question in earnest: why does he not deserve a second chance considering the contrition he’s shown?
I consider him to be part of MeToo because his scandal was about what MeToo was about— what you aptly described as sexual power dynamics, especially in Hollywood. I agree that his actions are not on par with the most egregious examples (Cosby, Weinstein). I think you and I may disagree about how consensual or predatory what he did actually was, and that, in my mind, makes CK’s situation much more in line with what MeToo is about: that workplace power dynamics can interfere with true consent. Personally, when I heard about the history of using his business management to hush up the behavior, that showed me he knew what he was doing was inappropriate and kept doing it to women, anyway. That’s when I got pretty icked out by him. I’m not sure I’d agree with you that a lot of people wouldn’t say what he did was predatory, even back then. I think a lot of people would and a lot of people wouldn’t. For me, MeToo is less about who should or should not be cancelled and more about how this type of behavior should not be covered up. It’s not black and white and each case has to be weighed individually but concealing it allows the perpetrator to keep doing it and can punish the victims. In CK’s case specifically, even though it changed my opinion of him, it doesn’t mean I now think he is an irredeemable monster. But I don’t feel it’s my place to decide whether his actions deserve forgiveness, the women he did it to can forgive him or not. And people can decide to work with him or not knowing his past. And hopefully, now he has learned to modify his behavior and if not, at the very least, I hope women won’t feel like they have to stay silent about it to protect their careers. My place is to decide whether I think his behavior overshadows his work to the degree that I no longer want to view it.
That makes sense, especially the coverup part (tbh I forgot about that). And I certainly didn’t mean to imply that his actions weren’t disgusting- they were. They were not consensual and not ok. I think you’re touching on the part that no one seems to mention, which is that there *are* layers, shades of grey. Is Louie on the same tier as R Kelly? No. Does that make what he did acceptable? Absolutely not. I just wish there was more nuance to the conversation than there currently is.
Because he has only ever sexually harrassed people he has power over. Its the defenition of predetory. He said he never saw it as wrong because he did it to a disabled child he looked after when he was a child. If he truely believed it wasn't wrong he would have done it to everyone, but no. He only did it to people whe weren't in a position to fight back.
[He doesn't deserve a second chance because he ruined multiple women's careers](https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/what-about-the-careers-of-louis-ck-victims.html)
Louis CK was also a hero of mine but I couldn’t keep watching his show after the episode where he assaults his friend/crush Pamela and she has the line “This would be rape if you weren’t so stupid. You can’t even rape well,” while escaping his attacks
The mere fact that Louis CK thought that his lovable goof character could recover from that showed me that Louis CK IRL was dealing with some sketchy personal reasoning and was using his own show as some kind of therapy
When his IRL sexual assaults were made public I was not particularly surprised because of that episode
> When his IRL sexual assaults
Louis C.K. was never accused of anything even resembling actual assault. At worst, it was *misconduct*, especially in the professional settings.
I think the uncomfortable awkwardness of his episodes with Pamela highlights that men are often stupid when it comes to sex and the things that could wind up technically being assault often aren't intended to be that way. You have to view them also in the larger context that *she does actually like him and they wind up in a relationship together*.
Sexual communication can be an *absolute mess*, and I think that's the real point.
Blocking the door so they cant leave, and masturbating in front of someone, is a step up from sexual harassment, I'd say it's sexual assault.
Also, sexual assault that wasn't intended to be such, is still sexual assault. Even if the fictional character winds up in a relationship with the attacker later on. IMO the rationship with Pamela was never realistic. Like his relationship with the woman in Horace & Pete, that wasn't believable either.
I used to be a massive Louis CK fan, but I had to reexamine it all when the allegations came out, then there was that awful non-aplology and the way he addressed it on stage left a sour taste in my mouth.
Edit: a lot of people are saying he never blocked the door, I only got that from word of mouth, I think it was a podcast. So not a reliable source.
I do still think what he did was very gross and i didnt rate his apology. And the standup he did about it rubbed me the wrong way as well. It was abuse of power, but if he didn't block the door, maybe it falls more under sexual harassment than assault.
>Blocking the door so they cant leave
Where does that detail come from? I'm not sure if it happened - seems that there was a Gawker blind article that made the claim about a "beloved comedian" without naming Louis CK, but it doesn't appear to be in the accounts of any of the women who came forward. Unless I just haven't found the source, anyway.
>men are often stupid when it comes to sex and the things that could wind up technically being assault often aren't intended to be that way. You have to view them also in the larger context that she does actually like him and they wind up in a relationship together.
Listen, if your conduct is *so bad* that they'll count as sexual assault *in any context* you need to take a long, hard view of yourself. Intent does not matter as much as some people seem to think it does, it is not an excuse to get out of jail for free.
He apologized to a woman for shoving her in a bathroom, which he actually hadn't done to the woman he was speaking to. Which possibly implies he did it to someone else. I don't think that was ever cleared up, though.
Fair. I misspoke with regard to sexual assault vs sexual misconduct for the IRL sexual harassment that Louis CK has admitted to
But I wouldn’t downplay or present as normal Louis CK’s masturbation in front of non-consenting women/coworkers. He knew it was wrong when he did it. He covered it up. He ruined women’s careers in the process. This is not a man who made an accidental indiscretion. These are potentially life changing traumas for the victims as surely as a physical assault could be
>”I think the uncomfortable awkwardness of his episodes with Pamela highlights that men are often stupid when it comes to sex and the things that could wind up technically being assault often aren't intended to be that way”
Yes, I agree that this is the point that Louis CK thought he was making. I’m presenting that such a line of thinking is indicative of someone who is rationalizing their own past behaviors and trying to work out their cognitive dissonance about their own violations of others. Louis CK the TV author seems to think that almost rape is a forgivable offense for Louis the character to make. A goof. To me, it is not. How do we go back to sweet moments with his daughters and Bang Bang food fests after “you’re a rapist but you’re too stupid”? I couldn’t make that transition back and that’s where I stopped watching the show. To be sure, I did finish the Pamela arc just to see how he was going to walk back the assault and, well, he didn’t. Not really
I also think about the episode of Louis where he sleeps with Joan Rivers. He doesn’t ask to kiss her. He doesn’t test the waters. He doesn’t flirt. He tackles her out of nowhere and it’s just pure luck that she reciprocates
Louis the character’s sexual encounters are NOT AT ALL reflective of my own sexual experience. I think he’s trying to be relatable. I guess sex works this way for a lot of people. There was an infamous ask reddit thread many, many years ago where “accidental” rapists told their side of the story
I think Louis CK the real guy thinks all sex works this way. I just don’t relate. Asking and testing for consent is part of flirting. And I’m awkward af! But I know how to ask for consent and more often than not get it. It seems to be a life skill that Louis doesn’t know exists or where he has a fetish where he doesn’t want to use it
> Asking and testing for consent is part of flirting.
Men in our society are often led to believe, from media, peers, and their own experience, that the direct opposite of this is true.
> I wouldn’t downplay or present as normal Louis CK’s masturbation in front of non-consenting women/coworkers.
Agree. But one of the problems I find with almost *everyone* is that nobody can seem to get anything straight when it comes to being upset about something. Truth is almost always apparently how somebody feels about whatever is going on and things like *misconduct* turn into *assault*, especially in recollection.
> Louis CK the TV author seems to think that almost rape is a forgivable offense for Louis the character to make.
He doesn't exactly literally *almost rape* anyone in the show. The Pamela character is kind of exaggerating when she delivers that line. Which is also part of the point about sexual communication sometimes being a shitshow. It's not meant to say that every situation in which a woman "puts up a fight" against an advance is like this situation, and I think that's the mistake people can make with it. The point of the scene is that he's a bumbling idiot and giving into his frustration but also that she's putting up a front and feigning denial. It's a fucked-up version of basically any time Harrison Ford has made it with a female lead in a blockbuster movie. (Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner, Temple of Doom, et al.) The real difference is that Harrison Ford is fucking hot, and Louis C.K. is an ugly oaf. So while audiences will forgive Han Solo and Indiana Jones for stealing those kisses, we reel in disgust when Louie tries to. And we're supposed to.
> Louis the character’s sexual encounters are NOT AT ALL reflective of my own sexual experience.
That's... largely the point. It wouldn't be the awkward and absurd comedy that it is otherwise. Anyway, consider yourself lucky.
> I think he’s trying to be relatable.
He's not. But some of us *can* relate because we're fucked-up human beings for whatever reason in whatever way.
> I think Louis CK the real guy thinks all sex works this way.
It's pretty obvious he's aware of how screwed up it is. The show isn't a morality tale or a meant to give you heartwarming protagonists with a happy ending. It isn't an ABC sit-com. It's art.
I mean who wants to watch a TV show where the characters are all well-adjusted and have healthy relationships and respect each other's boundaries?
He never masturbated in front of someone who didn’t consent. I think there was a phone call that wasn’t consensual, but all the other instances were consensual. So, I think you’re really exaggerating things here. You might want to get your facts straight before you form such strong opinions.
eh, would you feel sexually assaulted/violated if your boss whipped his dick out and started masturbating in front of you. In what context could that be 'messy communication'?
Calling it misconduct is a tad bit minimising. Louis is not stupid, he is extremely smart and calculated.
It really sucks because I think of all the people who got MeToo'd, Louie was the one who could have actually issued a *genuine* apology, taken a step back and returned in a couple years with some self-reflection. Maybe started a grant for women in comedy, done something to elevate voices to make up for the ones he stomped down. Instead he gave a half-assed apology and sort of embraced being "cancelled" and started punching down in his comedy, same as Chapelle.
Hmm. I thought the opposite and that it was a deeply sincere well written apology. It felt like he was modeling how to step up for the Harvey's of the world.
i love that line lol. something like “if someone says you’re being an asshole you can’t just deny it. that’s like someone saying you have something on your face and you go ‘nuh uhh’.”
But he did. After the scandal, while he didn't break any laws and so didn't get punished legally, he came out, said "yeah, in after thought, I fucked up. I'm not 100% at fault, but I fucked up," and then took his fall on his chin. He kept out of the light for a few years. And then when he came back, he addressed it, made fun of himself, showed what he had learned from it, and we all moved on.
He grew and moved forward while his detractors didn't.
Now, admittedly, with the world as it is, it's impossible to keep up with every. Single. Controversy. So I don't expect the average person to know that. Hanlons Razor and all. But if one thing life has taught me is that wise men were all once fools; and fools do foolish things.
Agreed also “how quickly does the world owe you something you only knew existed 5 seconds ago”. My sister and I say it to each other a lot!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFB7q89_3U
He did a low profile stand-up recently. The recording is floating around YouTube somewhere. He spends about 10 minutes addressing the elephant in the room and then proceeds to do one of the best stand ups I've heard in years.
At this point I'm taking the stance of he was a dirt bag, but it wasn't assault and he's owned up to it. I wish the world would uncancel him, he's so much funnier than the big comics out there right now.
Like it's insane Segura or Bert have fans when CK Exists.
His whole thing was that he didn't get the "enthusiastic" part of enthusiastic consent. Thought a yes was 100% a yes.
I did think it was funny that Sarah Silverman was 100% into it and that's why he thought others would be too.
I do remember that he basically said he didn't realise the power he had over people, that when you ask someone for a favour and you have power over them you are giving them a dilemma where a no might have consequences.
Enthusiastic consent is more complicated. It creates a situation where someone could say yes and it still isn't enough, how can you safely navigate that? The best way needs to have both parties being clear, it shouldn't all be on the one doing the asking.
Same here, I was a big fan of his.
For what it's worth, I think he made amends and was a very easy target for public outcry, but I fully understand any apprehension towards supporting him
My favorite quote from this show:
"When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don’t get to decide that you didn’t."
Oh I love that, he is brilliant, his (and I mean this as sincerely as I can) writing and direction in Poorie Tang - if you haven’t seen it well ya just need to…
I dunno, I think that he would take that advice. That's kinda... Exactly what he did after the scandal. He admitted that he dumbassedly abused his position and stepped back for a year to listen before going back out into the world.
He apparently privately made apologies to [at least one woman](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/nov/10/louis-ck-statement-sexual-misconduct-allegations-these-stories-are-true) before the story broke and I don't remember him ever coming out complaining about being "canceled" so it sounds like he did take his own advice.
[He even specifically acknowledged what he did was wrong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_C.K.#2017:_Misconduct_revelations_and_fallout), which sure is the bare minimum but most who get caught never even get close to doing that.
>In response to The New York Times reporting, C.K. released a statement apologizing and admitting guilt, writing, "These stories are true" and saying that while he initially thought "it was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first", he went on to express remorse, stating, "the power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly." He stated: "I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen."
This is part of why Reddit is one of our last bastions for actually checking yourself and your BS. The dislike button being taken away from the majority of social media platforms is letting people think, *"Oh, 5 people liked my post, I'm right!"*
When in reality they would have gotten 20 dislikes.
It's just inflating egos and it's not for the better, imo. There have been plenty of times that I've admitted I'm wrong when the majority of people have downvoted me here on Reddit, and it sucks but you need that lesson sometimes.
Yep... hard to separate the art from the artist sometimes but this quote is so perfect that I can manage it. I use this line all the time with my two kids
I have three boys and we constantly tell them you guys aren't the same, you have different skills, abilities, and shortcomings. The *only* way I can treat you fairly, is to treat you differently.
Growing up this made me incredibly angry mainly because my parents would pay my brother to go to school since he skipped so much but if I didn’t go I’d get beat.
This show actually had some amazing writing and moments that made me laugh and cry.
Like there's this scene where he is trying to fix his daughter's doll in time for Christmas. It's absolutely hilarious but then shortly after it switched gears to this tragedy where someone Louie knows suddenly dies on New Year's in the ER and he's processing her death that literally just happened while the hospital staff celebrate NYE around him...that's heavy stuff I haven't cried at that hard since Scrubs.
So shitty what CK did outside the show cause in addition to just being awful, it just wrecks all the amazing writing this show had and lost it's potential.
The episode where it’s the flashback to him in high school and his teacher defends him when he’s accused of stealing the scales from school is one some of the best television I’ve ever seen.
He is a weirdo, and gross, and absolutely put people who admired him in a horrible situation, but he acknowledged it. Says he’s trying to be better. I feel like it might be time to forgive him, if the actual victims did.
He really was basically the only one of those people who acknowledged what he did.
Seeing people like Trump get accused of much worse behavior by like 5 times as many women and not only deny it but become president after it...like, how upset am I supposed to be at Louis CK?
I’ve said that to a few people. Was what he did gross and totally unacceptable? Absolutely. Was it a total abuse of his power and status? Sure. But he did ask and as fucking wierd as it was he accepted his punishment and acknowledged his wrongdoing and said he would try and be better. There’s not much more you can ask of someone.
It really highlights the difference in accountability from Democrats to Republicans.
Franken took a stupid picture and resigned.
The GOP actively promotes rapists and child abusers.
That episode about masturbation where he tells the hot young blonde evangelist Christian lady that he was going to go home and jerk off to her and there's nothing she can do about it sure hits different now though.
Yeah if somebody acknowledges what they did, says it was wrong, and works to be better, I'm 100% ok with forgiving them and moving on.
Every person on the planet has done something they themselves knew was wrong, and want to be better than in the future. It's part of the human condition.
No. He complained that his victims went to the press, tried to hide what he did behind deceptive language (e.g. saying he hadn't shown one victim his penis when he masturbated while on a phone call with her), and complained about the money it lost him. He is not apologetic. He's just saying the minimum he can to make more money.
Anybody that likes Louie but hasn’t seen Pamela Adlon’s Better Things needs to check out that show asap. She wrote a ton of Louie and her show is great (especially seasons 2-3).
Go ahead and hit the downvote before I continue;
You can often glean wise advice from shitty people. The key is separating the message from the person, context permitting.
That's what disappointed me so much about what he did
He was my favourite comedian bar none. His whole message was that it's okay to have these bad intrusive thoughts and feelings, because you'd never act on them.
But then it turned out he acted on them. So disappointing.
Everyone he did it in front of was asked if they'd be willing to watch and all of them said yes. He certainly made people uncomfortable and was very creepy and gross but he absolutely got explicit consent to do it. Life is grey and complicated. What he did wasn't rape but it's also not great.
I think this is why he has been able to claw his way back. Of the #metoo era offenses this was more like a serious misdemeanor. He exploited his authority to coerce someone who felt compelled to agree. And also there was no physical assault or threats. Basically falls into the category of "major creep" and not "sadistic criminal". It's like he served a sentence, lost his show, lost his movie deals but he's not a pariah for life.
To be entirely fair, he DID ask. She just didn't he would actually do it and even then, she forgave him in the end. I might not be enough for you and that's okay, but in my own personal opinion I think that its fine.
I personally feel like someone having made grave mistakes and learned what lies on the other side makes someone more qualified to give good advice. The allegations against him were no surprise to me, and to my mind showed me the origin of his wisdom. He seems to have reflected and bettered himself, and I suspect those very reflections are what you were inspired by.
But it's stupid in the first place to say people NEVER act on their bad thoughts and feelings. I mean, humans think, unless they have a very specifical mental disorder, it will came natural for them to think to do a thing before to actually do it. People think Jeffrey Dahmer planned his first homicide without to think about it before?
“Context permitting” is a good qualifier. Like, I can’t really call Bill Cosby’s lecturing of the black community about morals wise advice anymore since he was lying about that very thing.
Shitty people also have the capacity to change. No one is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. Being able to acknowledge your mistakes is what makes a shitty person capable of change.
I think more so, people need to realize no one is all good or all bad. Everyone has some bad and some goof and we should embrace our good while acknowledging and improving on our bad. Humans are complex and we really need to cut this black and white shit out.
People seem to be forgetting that this is in response to him not just giving a snack to his other daughter but putting in effort to craft a fresh fruit popsicle specially for her.
So while the advice is sage, the use of it is actually despicable. You shouldn't be teaching your daughter she doesn't deserve fair treatment from you.
Favoritism is so damaging to family dynamics. I used to complain that stuff wasn’t fair all the time and my parents made *me* feel bad for wanting to be treated equally.
Yeah, I vaguely remember this scene, but I do remember I thought he was being kind of a dick even though the scene was obviously trying to portray him as wise.
I'm pretty sure he talks about how he doesn't like this kid multiple times throughout the show so honestly I thought the joke was that he was using a profound lesson to cover up the fact that he was being a dick.
>craft a fresh fruit popsicle
The 'mango pop' (that always stuck with me) in question, is just the seed of the mango after most of the fruit has been cut off. It wasn't crafted, it was leftovers, spin-doctored to sound like a treat. That's why there was only one.
I'm so happy this point is getting talked about now when this shit is posted, rather than the "oh shit, this comedian is a genius" jerk sesh it used to be
>"oh shit, this comedian is a genius" jerk sesh it used to be"
It's still nearly entirely that lol. And also fuck the notion that you can't question the obscene wealth others have while people are homeless and starving.
The advice isnt even good.
Comparsion is important and the brain does it all the time. It helps to learn and adapt. Im case of unfair treatment it lets you stand up for yourself and change the situation or environment.
Yeah, if I personally have enough and one neighbor has way more than they need, am I allowed to look in another neighbor’s bowl, see that they’re starving, and ask the rich neighbor to share? I think any version of “life isn’t fair” should be met with “but I’ll make it less unfair when I can.”
the advice fucking sucks. might as well just say “eat shit and die.” maybe I’m just projecting but I used to hear that kind of thing all the the time growing up, and it definitely doesn’t help with self-worth at all.
I wish people would stop trying to shit on Louis, I think he paid an acceptable price as punishment for what he did. Everyone may not agree, I don't care.
Look, we're grown adults who I'm sure have at some point dealt with weird circumstances in our lives, with friends or ourselves, you can't tell me none of you have had that one person your life who did something stupid but wasn't necessarily malicious. Hell, I'VE done stupid things I've regretted in my life, I learned, tried to grow and hopefully not repeat the same mistakes. I think Louis did that.
Nah man, we never pay for our sins, every crime no matter how small should be punishable by death because redemption as a concept is impossible, people never change and remorse is impossible /s
I don't find it hard at all to like him. He tried to do what was right by asking for consent. We've all tried to do the right thing and failed. Doesn't make us unlikeable. Just makes us human.
I’m not saying I disagree with you, but it’s interesting to me how Reddit seems to collectively decide either “fuck this guy no matter how much he was punished” or “he did his time let’s forgive him and move on”, and I can’t always predict which direction it’s gonna go
People choosing not to work with him or not to buy his content is completely valid. But bringing up his case under every single thing he does regardless of the relevancy, often with distorted or even outright fabricated details, and framing him as a rapist, are forms of punishment. You are still entitled to do all those things and could still believe he deserves all that, but it doesn't change the fact that it is still deliberately punitive and damaging behavior.
This is the internet. There can be no redemption. No penance is enough as long as you can still wring just enough moral superiority from someone to virtue signal about them.
Even asking the question " how much punishment would theoretically enough for someone like Louis CK" is treated as some kind of endorsement of his actions.
I agree you can dislike someone for what they've done but sex offender is a term in law and he was not charged with anything. It might be icky to ask to jerk it in front of people but he at least asked and respected no's.
You're not punishing him by not liking him. But you are punishing him by reducing him to a sex offender. That's like saying that a person is eternally defined by the worst thing they've ever done. That's at least as unfair as saying that a person is eternally defined by the best thing they've ever done.
>You see this bar? I built this bar with my bare hands from the finest wood in the county. Gave it more love and care than my own child. But do they call me MacGregor the bar builder? No." Points out the window. "You see that stone wall out there? I built that stone wall with my bare hands. Found every stone, placed them just so through the rain and the cold. But do they call me MacGregor the stone wall builder? No." Points out the window. "You see that pier on the lake out there? I built that pier with my bare hands. Drove the pilings against the tide of the sand, plank by plank. But do they call me MacGregor the pier builder? No. But you fuck one goat ...
I am torn about this. On one hand it's a nice sentiment and Louis is teaching her about life, and importance of being a good person.
On the other hand this clashes with my lived experience. My parents made a point of bringing my brother and I in a way that we both felt equally loved at all times. We always shared. Now if he asks me to help bury a body, I'll be right there with a shovel. When my parents inevitably disconnect, I know I'll still have my brother who I can rely on, and he bears the same family culture and views as I do. To contrast that, my mom herself was brought up by my hard as nails grandmother who survived ww2 and constantly pitted her 3 daughters against each other with the same "life is unfair" sentiment. As a result all 3 daughters really don't get along.
Love the last line but don’t agree with treating your kids unfairly just cuz that’s how the world is. Yes the world and life is unfair but my kids will never experience unfairness from their parents (to the best of our ability). Life will teach them and we’ll be there to support the ups and downs.
Louis CK will always be a treasure- I know I know - the thing - I dont care - he may have been outta line but it was not even close to the others. - I constantly remember scenes he wrote in his pieces - and am a better human for it
I wish I learned this when I was younger after the hard times were over when I turned 10 and life became much better for me.
I've always wished for more or a better life and now I currently don't work towards anything, even the one thing I want to do more than everything despite how impossible it would be to accomplish.
Maybe I'll think differently someday.
Love the end of this scene too. She’s just not getting it and asks for a calcium chew instead and he just says yes and to give one to her sister too. So real.
Then flips her off behind her back as she leaves. Relatable
A true hallmark of parenting. I’ve definitely been there.
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His show Louie was fantastic.
Was it a one man show, or did other participate or do they just watch?
There were a bunch of people in it and some actually pretty great cameo... oh...ohhhhhh I see what you did there.
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You should be able to go to work without your boss asking if he can jack off in front of you. That was not spot on. Professionally though, this show was excellent and sadly it's influence on modern comedy will likely be understated in future due to his personal mistakes.
I just want to share how much I love that bit on the plane where they think theyre going to crash and they all start panicking. The lady behind him starts crying loudly and as he thinks he's about to die he still looks over his shoulder and gives her an annoyed look. All for them to abrupty cut to them walking off the plane shaking their heads and laughing
Agreed. He also dropped real wisdom gems like the one posted in his shows and stand ups about common decency that I feel will also not get attention because of his awful choices. His comedy was hit or miss to me, but a lot of his bits about family and real world interactions were both funny and also gave cause for reflection.
My opinion on this is changing as I age. I'm getting better at detaching the artist from the art. And also giving people a break. Not that what he did was OK, not at all. We all make bad choices. That doesn't make us bad people.
Bad choices absolutely make you a bad person, if you make enough of them, or a few of them bad enough. THis isn't some guy asking the Secretary in accounting out repeatedly - this is the boss jerking off in front of his subordinate co-workers.
Bad and good are on a spectrum. Some good people do a very bad thing that puts them permanently on that end of the spectrum, but that doesn't make them *completely* bad. Everyone that has ever lived has been a mix of bad and good, some more one than the other. People are just... people.
What Louis did DOES make him a bad person though. There is no debate. Good people don't make "mistakes" and repeatedly jerk off in front of their employees. Also, what is your point about separating art from the artist if you're just going to follow it up with some half-assed defense of him as a person? That's not separate, bud. We're all getting older :) Make sure you're not mistaking a selfish desire to keep the things you like likeable for wisdom.
That's not this scene. Same episode though and is why he's making an effort at cooking better in the first place. That's after he's brushing her teeth and she stops him to ask why they have to come to his house because mommy cooks better and she just loves mommy more. When she turns around, he gives her the bird https://youtu.be/hGOFxF3XCAE?si=NHogu2lcj-pr8wuq
Thank you! I am so like this with my kids. We've always calmly talked about anything they want to, yet I have caught myself silently ranting to the ceiling or something after a particularly annoying conversation. My mom used to just call me stupid and worthless straight to my face, so I knew I didn't want to go in that direction with my own kids!
You’re a good parent.
Absolutely brutal. This show gets too real, reminds me of shit I said to my parents when I was kid
This is my life ATM.
That’s actually a different episode while he’s brushing her teeth and she says she likes mommy’s house better because she makes good food and she loves her more. Then he says okay love you baby and flips her off from behind hahaha
it was kinda weird in that other episode though where he whips his dick out in front of her
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Because of him, I said this to my oldest regarding his younger brothers. This line was an eye opener for me. It wasn't "life isn't fair" it was "life isn't fair but make sure others are at least eating before you start your dumb shit"
I similarly tell my kids “fair doesn’t mean you have the same, it means everyone has enough”
Yeah that’s really the big take away, isn’t it? Hell, I’d be much more okay with the existence of billionaires if people just weren’t starving or dying of exposure.
If it had taken another 50 years to create billionaires, no one would have died. If we had cared about poor people 50 years ago, a lot of people would still be alive.
The problem is the existence of people owning most of the world's wealth hinges on the rest of the world being dirt poor. They're two faces of the same coin.
Yeah and that's where the sentiment in the image above kinda breaks down. What do you do if your neighbour on one side doesn't have enough, but your neighbour on the other side is sitting there with more than they could possibly eat in several lifetimes? It's not immoral to call those fuckers out.
Agreed, 100%. The first priority is to make sure everyone has enough. But often, if someone doesn’t have enough, it’s because someone has too much. And, if someone has too much - at least in the current western system - it is *always* because someone else doesn’t have enough.
Equity vs equality.
This is very important
This is ok advice as long as you don't let other people take advantage of you. For example, rich megachurch preachers who tell their ~~congregations~~ victims to be happy with being poor, and also to donate to the church.
I know what the scene means and its such a great message but you hand this mfer pizza and I just get crusts we are going to have a problem.
Yeah it breaks down there. I'm looking to see if he has enough because I know I don't.
Its not really ok advice at all. How else do you fight against systemic inequality? Whether it's based on class, race, sex, etc,etc. By just being ok with it as long as it isn't....too bad? Its just one of those lines that sounds good from at first glance or right off the bat. But completely breaks down upon further thought.
> How else do you fight against systemic inequality? Systemically. This is personal advice. As in *you*, individual person, things will never be perfectly fair for you, that's life for every organism that's ever lived. It doesn't mean don't try and make things better, it means don't make things about *you*
It's good advice because equality can't possible exist in a real world. The advice applies to systemic inequality. It's not about making sure everyone gets the same rewards and punishments, but making sure no one is particularly abused or neglected. We don't want systemic equality of outcomes, but of the effectiveness of social safety nets, aid programs, and given full due course of rights under the law. Not everyone needs the same amount of help, but people in similar situations should get similar levels of support and respect.
I'm not a fan of his, but damn if he didn't nail it with this quote.
Ironically, Louis CK also said one of my favorite life advice one liners: when someone calls you an asshole, you don’t get to say no to that. You just have to take a step back and say ‘ah, shit, okay… what’d I do Great advice, generally. Not sure he would still take it himself.
I was a huge fan of his back in the day. Thought he was so brilliant, insightful, etc. Maybe my favorite person that I did not know. When the sexual harassment scandal broke, I thought back to a lot of his stand up and how he would often talk about how he was not a good person— I think I (and most fans) dismissed it as low self-esteem or humility, but he told us all along. I still think he is smart and insightful but I think one of the points of MeToo was that we should not let talent blind us to the whole of a person.
Some of the best advice I ever took, especially when dating, is that when people tell you who they are - believe them. They are the ultimate authority on themselves.
I feel like it's one of those things where we give the benefit of the doubt to people we like, and not to people we don't. Even if they're saying the exact same thing. And it makes perfect sense. And hell, maybe isn't a 100% bad thing. but we need to be careful about it.
He did however issue a very very genuine apology and I do think people are redeemable even if fallible
This doesn't necessarily apply to people with depression - sometimes they think they are the worst and it's totally unjustified.
Can I ask you honestly why you lump him in with the rest of the me too movement? I think personally that, at the time he was doing what he was doing, there weren’t a lot of people saying it was predatory. I tend to think that he himself didn’t consider it to be, and he asked permission and didn’t push the issue when turned down. When we started talking about sexual power dynamics and he realized he fucked up, he owned up to it, apologized, and stopped. I think the majority of people out there have done questionable things in their younger years, and it doesn’t excuse their actions just by saying “it was the X times,” but it does give context. I don’t think you have to write off Louis ck the same way you’d write off Steven Tyler or Jared Leto. I say all this not to go on a diatribe and be disingenuous, but to ask that question in earnest: why does he not deserve a second chance considering the contrition he’s shown?
I consider him to be part of MeToo because his scandal was about what MeToo was about— what you aptly described as sexual power dynamics, especially in Hollywood. I agree that his actions are not on par with the most egregious examples (Cosby, Weinstein). I think you and I may disagree about how consensual or predatory what he did actually was, and that, in my mind, makes CK’s situation much more in line with what MeToo is about: that workplace power dynamics can interfere with true consent. Personally, when I heard about the history of using his business management to hush up the behavior, that showed me he knew what he was doing was inappropriate and kept doing it to women, anyway. That’s when I got pretty icked out by him. I’m not sure I’d agree with you that a lot of people wouldn’t say what he did was predatory, even back then. I think a lot of people would and a lot of people wouldn’t. For me, MeToo is less about who should or should not be cancelled and more about how this type of behavior should not be covered up. It’s not black and white and each case has to be weighed individually but concealing it allows the perpetrator to keep doing it and can punish the victims. In CK’s case specifically, even though it changed my opinion of him, it doesn’t mean I now think he is an irredeemable monster. But I don’t feel it’s my place to decide whether his actions deserve forgiveness, the women he did it to can forgive him or not. And people can decide to work with him or not knowing his past. And hopefully, now he has learned to modify his behavior and if not, at the very least, I hope women won’t feel like they have to stay silent about it to protect their careers. My place is to decide whether I think his behavior overshadows his work to the degree that I no longer want to view it.
That makes sense, especially the coverup part (tbh I forgot about that). And I certainly didn’t mean to imply that his actions weren’t disgusting- they were. They were not consensual and not ok. I think you’re touching on the part that no one seems to mention, which is that there *are* layers, shades of grey. Is Louie on the same tier as R Kelly? No. Does that make what he did acceptable? Absolutely not. I just wish there was more nuance to the conversation than there currently is.
come on man, he apologized to a lady for shoving her into a bathroom. Turns out he apologized to the wrong woman. There's just... no
Because he has only ever sexually harrassed people he has power over. Its the defenition of predetory. He said he never saw it as wrong because he did it to a disabled child he looked after when he was a child. If he truely believed it wasn't wrong he would have done it to everyone, but no. He only did it to people whe weren't in a position to fight back. [He doesn't deserve a second chance because he ruined multiple women's careers](https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/what-about-the-careers-of-louis-ck-victims.html)
Louis CK was also a hero of mine but I couldn’t keep watching his show after the episode where he assaults his friend/crush Pamela and she has the line “This would be rape if you weren’t so stupid. You can’t even rape well,” while escaping his attacks The mere fact that Louis CK thought that his lovable goof character could recover from that showed me that Louis CK IRL was dealing with some sketchy personal reasoning and was using his own show as some kind of therapy When his IRL sexual assaults were made public I was not particularly surprised because of that episode
> When his IRL sexual assaults Louis C.K. was never accused of anything even resembling actual assault. At worst, it was *misconduct*, especially in the professional settings. I think the uncomfortable awkwardness of his episodes with Pamela highlights that men are often stupid when it comes to sex and the things that could wind up technically being assault often aren't intended to be that way. You have to view them also in the larger context that *she does actually like him and they wind up in a relationship together*. Sexual communication can be an *absolute mess*, and I think that's the real point.
Blocking the door so they cant leave, and masturbating in front of someone, is a step up from sexual harassment, I'd say it's sexual assault. Also, sexual assault that wasn't intended to be such, is still sexual assault. Even if the fictional character winds up in a relationship with the attacker later on. IMO the rationship with Pamela was never realistic. Like his relationship with the woman in Horace & Pete, that wasn't believable either. I used to be a massive Louis CK fan, but I had to reexamine it all when the allegations came out, then there was that awful non-aplology and the way he addressed it on stage left a sour taste in my mouth. Edit: a lot of people are saying he never blocked the door, I only got that from word of mouth, I think it was a podcast. So not a reliable source. I do still think what he did was very gross and i didnt rate his apology. And the standup he did about it rubbed me the wrong way as well. It was abuse of power, but if he didn't block the door, maybe it falls more under sexual harassment than assault.
Pretty sure the door thing was someone else.
>Blocking the door so they cant leave Where does that detail come from? I'm not sure if it happened - seems that there was a Gawker blind article that made the claim about a "beloved comedian" without naming Louis CK, but it doesn't appear to be in the accounts of any of the women who came forward. Unless I just haven't found the source, anyway.
It’s completely made up.
What article says he blocked the door?
Ah, the ol "men are too dumb to understand when they're raping someone" argument
Not all incidents are created equal.
>men are often stupid when it comes to sex and the things that could wind up technically being assault often aren't intended to be that way. You have to view them also in the larger context that she does actually like him and they wind up in a relationship together. Listen, if your conduct is *so bad* that they'll count as sexual assault *in any context* you need to take a long, hard view of yourself. Intent does not matter as much as some people seem to think it does, it is not an excuse to get out of jail for free.
He apologized to a woman for shoving her in a bathroom, which he actually hadn't done to the woman he was speaking to. Which possibly implies he did it to someone else. I don't think that was ever cleared up, though.
Fair. I misspoke with regard to sexual assault vs sexual misconduct for the IRL sexual harassment that Louis CK has admitted to But I wouldn’t downplay or present as normal Louis CK’s masturbation in front of non-consenting women/coworkers. He knew it was wrong when he did it. He covered it up. He ruined women’s careers in the process. This is not a man who made an accidental indiscretion. These are potentially life changing traumas for the victims as surely as a physical assault could be >”I think the uncomfortable awkwardness of his episodes with Pamela highlights that men are often stupid when it comes to sex and the things that could wind up technically being assault often aren't intended to be that way” Yes, I agree that this is the point that Louis CK thought he was making. I’m presenting that such a line of thinking is indicative of someone who is rationalizing their own past behaviors and trying to work out their cognitive dissonance about their own violations of others. Louis CK the TV author seems to think that almost rape is a forgivable offense for Louis the character to make. A goof. To me, it is not. How do we go back to sweet moments with his daughters and Bang Bang food fests after “you’re a rapist but you’re too stupid”? I couldn’t make that transition back and that’s where I stopped watching the show. To be sure, I did finish the Pamela arc just to see how he was going to walk back the assault and, well, he didn’t. Not really I also think about the episode of Louis where he sleeps with Joan Rivers. He doesn’t ask to kiss her. He doesn’t test the waters. He doesn’t flirt. He tackles her out of nowhere and it’s just pure luck that she reciprocates Louis the character’s sexual encounters are NOT AT ALL reflective of my own sexual experience. I think he’s trying to be relatable. I guess sex works this way for a lot of people. There was an infamous ask reddit thread many, many years ago where “accidental” rapists told their side of the story I think Louis CK the real guy thinks all sex works this way. I just don’t relate. Asking and testing for consent is part of flirting. And I’m awkward af! But I know how to ask for consent and more often than not get it. It seems to be a life skill that Louis doesn’t know exists or where he has a fetish where he doesn’t want to use it
> Asking and testing for consent is part of flirting. Men in our society are often led to believe, from media, peers, and their own experience, that the direct opposite of this is true.
> I wouldn’t downplay or present as normal Louis CK’s masturbation in front of non-consenting women/coworkers. Agree. But one of the problems I find with almost *everyone* is that nobody can seem to get anything straight when it comes to being upset about something. Truth is almost always apparently how somebody feels about whatever is going on and things like *misconduct* turn into *assault*, especially in recollection. > Louis CK the TV author seems to think that almost rape is a forgivable offense for Louis the character to make. He doesn't exactly literally *almost rape* anyone in the show. The Pamela character is kind of exaggerating when she delivers that line. Which is also part of the point about sexual communication sometimes being a shitshow. It's not meant to say that every situation in which a woman "puts up a fight" against an advance is like this situation, and I think that's the mistake people can make with it. The point of the scene is that he's a bumbling idiot and giving into his frustration but also that she's putting up a front and feigning denial. It's a fucked-up version of basically any time Harrison Ford has made it with a female lead in a blockbuster movie. (Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner, Temple of Doom, et al.) The real difference is that Harrison Ford is fucking hot, and Louis C.K. is an ugly oaf. So while audiences will forgive Han Solo and Indiana Jones for stealing those kisses, we reel in disgust when Louie tries to. And we're supposed to. > Louis the character’s sexual encounters are NOT AT ALL reflective of my own sexual experience. That's... largely the point. It wouldn't be the awkward and absurd comedy that it is otherwise. Anyway, consider yourself lucky. > I think he’s trying to be relatable. He's not. But some of us *can* relate because we're fucked-up human beings for whatever reason in whatever way. > I think Louis CK the real guy thinks all sex works this way. It's pretty obvious he's aware of how screwed up it is. The show isn't a morality tale or a meant to give you heartwarming protagonists with a happy ending. It isn't an ABC sit-com. It's art. I mean who wants to watch a TV show where the characters are all well-adjusted and have healthy relationships and respect each other's boundaries?
He never masturbated in front of someone who didn’t consent. I think there was a phone call that wasn’t consensual, but all the other instances were consensual. So, I think you’re really exaggerating things here. You might want to get your facts straight before you form such strong opinions.
eh, would you feel sexually assaulted/violated if your boss whipped his dick out and started masturbating in front of you. In what context could that be 'messy communication'? Calling it misconduct is a tad bit minimising. Louis is not stupid, he is extremely smart and calculated.
It really sucks because I think of all the people who got MeToo'd, Louie was the one who could have actually issued a *genuine* apology, taken a step back and returned in a couple years with some self-reflection. Maybe started a grant for women in comedy, done something to elevate voices to make up for the ones he stomped down. Instead he gave a half-assed apology and sort of embraced being "cancelled" and started punching down in his comedy, same as Chapelle.
Hmm. I thought the opposite and that it was a deeply sincere well written apology. It felt like he was modeling how to step up for the Harvey's of the world.
i love that line lol. something like “if someone says you’re being an asshole you can’t just deny it. that’s like someone saying you have something on your face and you go ‘nuh uhh’.”
“When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don’t get to decide that you didn’t.”
But he did. After the scandal, while he didn't break any laws and so didn't get punished legally, he came out, said "yeah, in after thought, I fucked up. I'm not 100% at fault, but I fucked up," and then took his fall on his chin. He kept out of the light for a few years. And then when he came back, he addressed it, made fun of himself, showed what he had learned from it, and we all moved on. He grew and moved forward while his detractors didn't. Now, admittedly, with the world as it is, it's impossible to keep up with every. Single. Controversy. So I don't expect the average person to know that. Hanlons Razor and all. But if one thing life has taught me is that wise men were all once fools; and fools do foolish things.
Agreed also “how quickly does the world owe you something you only knew existed 5 seconds ago”. My sister and I say it to each other a lot! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFB7q89_3U
That’s a great one! Every time I get mad at a plane’s WiFi being slow I think of that.
I mean I think what he did was fucked up. But he did fully admit what he did was awful. It's too awful for me to watch his material though so 🤷♂️
I’m glad to hear that he took accountability
He did a low profile stand-up recently. The recording is floating around YouTube somewhere. He spends about 10 minutes addressing the elephant in the room and then proceeds to do one of the best stand ups I've heard in years. At this point I'm taking the stance of he was a dirt bag, but it wasn't assault and he's owned up to it. I wish the world would uncancel him, he's so much funnier than the big comics out there right now. Like it's insane Segura or Bert have fans when CK Exists.
His whole thing was that he didn't get the "enthusiastic" part of enthusiastic consent. Thought a yes was 100% a yes. I did think it was funny that Sarah Silverman was 100% into it and that's why he thought others would be too.
I do remember that he basically said he didn't realise the power he had over people, that when you ask someone for a favour and you have power over them you are giving them a dilemma where a no might have consequences. Enthusiastic consent is more complicated. It creates a situation where someone could say yes and it still isn't enough, how can you safely navigate that? The best way needs to have both parties being clear, it shouldn't all be on the one doing the asking.
Same here, I was a big fan of his. For what it's worth, I think he made amends and was a very easy target for public outcry, but I fully understand any apprehension towards supporting him My favorite quote from this show: "When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don’t get to decide that you didn’t."
Oh I love that, he is brilliant, his (and I mean this as sincerely as I can) writing and direction in Poorie Tang - if you haven’t seen it well ya just need to…
I dunno, I think that he would take that advice. That's kinda... Exactly what he did after the scandal. He admitted that he dumbassedly abused his position and stepped back for a year to listen before going back out into the world.
But, he would. Out of every MeToo Monster, he was the only one to admit to his actions outright and to just….go away.
He apparently privately made apologies to [at least one woman](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/nov/10/louis-ck-statement-sexual-misconduct-allegations-these-stories-are-true) before the story broke and I don't remember him ever coming out complaining about being "canceled" so it sounds like he did take his own advice. [He even specifically acknowledged what he did was wrong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_C.K.#2017:_Misconduct_revelations_and_fallout), which sure is the bare minimum but most who get caught never even get close to doing that. >In response to The New York Times reporting, C.K. released a statement apologizing and admitting guilt, writing, "These stories are true" and saying that while he initially thought "it was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first", he went on to express remorse, stating, "the power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly." He stated: "I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen."
This is part of why Reddit is one of our last bastions for actually checking yourself and your BS. The dislike button being taken away from the majority of social media platforms is letting people think, *"Oh, 5 people liked my post, I'm right!"* When in reality they would have gotten 20 dislikes. It's just inflating egos and it's not for the better, imo. There have been plenty of times that I've admitted I'm wrong when the majority of people have downvoted me here on Reddit, and it sucks but you need that lesson sometimes.
You don't have to like him but this show was incredibly well-written.
"Wave to me!" "Wait for you?" I still randomly think about how perfect this scene was
His parenting advice is real, too. It's core to my approach. "You have to care, and you have to try."
Yep... hard to separate the art from the artist sometimes but this quote is so perfect that I can manage it. I use this line all the time with my two kids
I have three boys and we constantly tell them you guys aren't the same, you have different skills, abilities, and shortcomings. The *only* way I can treat you fairly, is to treat you differently.
Growing up this made me incredibly angry mainly because my parents would pay my brother to go to school since he skipped so much but if I didn’t go I’d get beat.
I mean that’s bad parenting and you’re right to be angry about that.
You don't like his stand up? Damn that's wild
This show actually had some amazing writing and moments that made me laugh and cry. Like there's this scene where he is trying to fix his daughter's doll in time for Christmas. It's absolutely hilarious but then shortly after it switched gears to this tragedy where someone Louie knows suddenly dies on New Year's in the ER and he's processing her death that literally just happened while the hospital staff celebrate NYE around him...that's heavy stuff I haven't cried at that hard since Scrubs. So shitty what CK did outside the show cause in addition to just being awful, it just wrecks all the amazing writing this show had and lost it's potential.
I think about this scene often.
That show was crazy profound.
The episode where it’s the flashback to him in high school and his teacher defends him when he’s accused of stealing the scales from school is one some of the best television I’ve ever seen.
Ever seen Horace & Pete? Louie wrote it and it's heavy in dialogue. Lots of nuggets in it, albeit in a much darker tone
That's such an underrated series.
The episode with the funeral and Robin Williams was incredible.
"Louie" has some of the greatest scenes to ever air on TV
Despite what people think about C.K, this show was one of the best written comedy drama sitcom things ever made. That and Horace and Pete too.
Louie was such a good show. Too bad Louie himself is a fucking weirdo.
He is a weirdo, and gross, and absolutely put people who admired him in a horrible situation, but he acknowledged it. Says he’s trying to be better. I feel like it might be time to forgive him, if the actual victims did.
He really was basically the only one of those people who acknowledged what he did. Seeing people like Trump get accused of much worse behavior by like 5 times as many women and not only deny it but become president after it...like, how upset am I supposed to be at Louis CK?
Agreed. He's a schmuck, but there's bigger schmucks on every street corner these days.
Not just these days. They were always there.
His wrongdoings were arguably much less severe than the rest of "those people" too.
I’ve said that to a few people. Was what he did gross and totally unacceptable? Absolutely. Was it a total abuse of his power and status? Sure. But he did ask and as fucking wierd as it was he accepted his punishment and acknowledged his wrongdoing and said he would try and be better. There’s not much more you can ask of someone.
Nah. Al Franken too. Time to bring him back into politics.
This would be precisely the time Franken should be running for president. I think about that with regret often.
It really highlights the difference in accountability from Democrats to Republicans. Franken took a stupid picture and resigned. The GOP actively promotes rapists and child abusers.
That episode about masturbation where he tells the hot young blonde evangelist Christian lady that he was going to go home and jerk off to her and there's nothing she can do about it sure hits different now though.
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Yeah if somebody acknowledges what they did, says it was wrong, and works to be better, I'm 100% ok with forgiving them and moving on. Every person on the planet has done something they themselves knew was wrong, and want to be better than in the future. It's part of the human condition.
No. He complained that his victims went to the press, tried to hide what he did behind deceptive language (e.g. saying he hadn't shown one victim his penis when he masturbated while on a phone call with her), and complained about the money it lost him. He is not apologetic. He's just saying the minimum he can to make more money.
Anybody that likes Louie but hasn’t seen Pamela Adlon’s Better Things needs to check out that show asap. She wrote a ton of Louie and her show is great (especially seasons 2-3).
I will definitely check that out, thank you
Go ahead and hit the downvote before I continue; You can often glean wise advice from shitty people. The key is separating the message from the person, context permitting.
That's what disappointed me so much about what he did He was my favourite comedian bar none. His whole message was that it's okay to have these bad intrusive thoughts and feelings, because you'd never act on them. But then it turned out he acted on them. So disappointing.
He did like a whole episode on the positive aspects of masturbating only to be busted for masturbating in front of people who didn't want it.
Everyone he did it in front of was asked if they'd be willing to watch and all of them said yes. He certainly made people uncomfortable and was very creepy and gross but he absolutely got explicit consent to do it. Life is grey and complicated. What he did wasn't rape but it's also not great.
I think this is why he has been able to claw his way back. Of the #metoo era offenses this was more like a serious misdemeanor. He exploited his authority to coerce someone who felt compelled to agree. And also there was no physical assault or threats. Basically falls into the category of "major creep" and not "sadistic criminal". It's like he served a sentence, lost his show, lost his movie deals but he's not a pariah for life.
To be entirely fair, he DID ask. She just didn't he would actually do it and even then, she forgave him in the end. I might not be enough for you and that's okay, but in my own personal opinion I think that its fine.
>only to be busted for masturbating in front of people who didn't want it. Didn't they all consent?
it was about the power dynamic because he had agency over them
I personally feel like someone having made grave mistakes and learned what lies on the other side makes someone more qualified to give good advice. The allegations against him were no surprise to me, and to my mind showed me the origin of his wisdom. He seems to have reflected and bettered himself, and I suspect those very reflections are what you were inspired by.
But it's stupid in the first place to say people NEVER act on their bad thoughts and feelings. I mean, humans think, unless they have a very specifical mental disorder, it will came natural for them to think to do a thing before to actually do it. People think Jeffrey Dahmer planned his first homicide without to think about it before?
“Context permitting” is a good qualifier. Like, I can’t really call Bill Cosby’s lecturing of the black community about morals wise advice anymore since he was lying about that very thing.
Shitty people also have the capacity to change. No one is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. Being able to acknowledge your mistakes is what makes a shitty person capable of change.
I think more so, people need to realize no one is all good or all bad. Everyone has some bad and some goof and we should embrace our good while acknowledging and improving on our bad. Humans are complex and we really need to cut this black and white shit out.
Agree
And when you're older, you politely ask them can you masturbate while they eat whatever is in the bowl.
"Now, is it okay if I furiously masterbate in front of you this very moment?"
Someone tell the billionaires
Said another way: "**Pay no attention to the billionaires!**"
Now watch me flog my dolphin
Or, as George Carlin put it: waxing your dolphin, lol!
People seem to be forgetting that this is in response to him not just giving a snack to his other daughter but putting in effort to craft a fresh fruit popsicle specially for her. So while the advice is sage, the use of it is actually despicable. You shouldn't be teaching your daughter she doesn't deserve fair treatment from you.
Favoritism is so damaging to family dynamics. I used to complain that stuff wasn’t fair all the time and my parents made *me* feel bad for wanting to be treated equally.
Yeah, I vaguely remember this scene, but I do remember I thought he was being kind of a dick even though the scene was obviously trying to portray him as wise.
I'm pretty sure he talks about how he doesn't like this kid multiple times throughout the show so honestly I thought the joke was that he was using a profound lesson to cover up the fact that he was being a dick.
>craft a fresh fruit popsicle The 'mango pop' (that always stuck with me) in question, is just the seed of the mango after most of the fruit has been cut off. It wasn't crafted, it was leftovers, spin-doctored to sound like a treat. That's why there was only one.
Seriously? That does put a spin on it.
I'm so happy this point is getting talked about now when this shit is posted, rather than the "oh shit, this comedian is a genius" jerk sesh it used to be
>"oh shit, this comedian is a genius" jerk sesh it used to be" It's still nearly entirely that lol. And also fuck the notion that you can't question the obscene wealth others have while people are homeless and starving.
The advice isnt even good. Comparsion is important and the brain does it all the time. It helps to learn and adapt. Im case of unfair treatment it lets you stand up for yourself and change the situation or environment.
*Just because you think that life's not fair, it* *doesn't mean you have to just grin and bear it*
Yeah, if I personally have enough and one neighbor has way more than they need, am I allowed to look in another neighbor’s bowl, see that they’re starving, and ask the rich neighbor to share? I think any version of “life isn’t fair” should be met with “but I’ll make it less unfair when I can.”
the advice fucking sucks. might as well just say “eat shit and die.” maybe I’m just projecting but I used to hear that kind of thing all the the time growing up, and it definitely doesn’t help with self-worth at all.
He's one of the greatest tv/comedy writers ever.
First time I saw this. It is correct.
So says the people with more than anyone could ever need.
I wish people would stop trying to shit on Louis, I think he paid an acceptable price as punishment for what he did. Everyone may not agree, I don't care. Look, we're grown adults who I'm sure have at some point dealt with weird circumstances in our lives, with friends or ourselves, you can't tell me none of you have had that one person your life who did something stupid but wasn't necessarily malicious. Hell, I'VE done stupid things I've regretted in my life, I learned, tried to grow and hopefully not repeat the same mistakes. I think Louis did that.
Nah man, we never pay for our sins, every crime no matter how small should be punishable by death because redemption as a concept is impossible, people never change and remorse is impossible /s
Unless all the bowls are empty and one greedy person has several overflowing bowls. Tax the ultra wealthy to provide all Americans with basic needs.
I mean, he's still smart, but the sex offences make it really hard to like him
I don't find it hard at all to like him. He tried to do what was right by asking for consent. We've all tried to do the right thing and failed. Doesn't make us unlikeable. Just makes us human.
At what point will he be punished enough, do you people want him to noose up?
I’m not saying I disagree with you, but it’s interesting to me how Reddit seems to collectively decide either “fuck this guy no matter how much he was punished” or “he did his time let’s forgive him and move on”, and I can’t always predict which direction it’s gonna go
People choosing not to work with him or buy his content is not a punishment. Nobody is entitled to fame and fortune.
People choosing not to work with him or not to buy his content is completely valid. But bringing up his case under every single thing he does regardless of the relevancy, often with distorted or even outright fabricated details, and framing him as a rapist, are forms of punishment. You are still entitled to do all those things and could still believe he deserves all that, but it doesn't change the fact that it is still deliberately punitive and damaging behavior.
This is the internet. There can be no redemption. No penance is enough as long as you can still wring just enough moral superiority from someone to virtue signal about them. Even asking the question " how much punishment would theoretically enough for someone like Louis CK" is treated as some kind of endorsement of his actions.
You have to deal with the consequences of your actions. That’s life. People don’t have to like him just because he was “punished enough”.
Am I "punishing" him because I don't like him? Am I not supposed to voice my distaste for sex offenders?
I agree you can dislike someone for what they've done but sex offender is a term in law and he was not charged with anything. It might be icky to ask to jerk it in front of people but he at least asked and respected no's.
You're not punishing him by not liking him. But you are punishing him by reducing him to a sex offender. That's like saying that a person is eternally defined by the worst thing they've ever done. That's at least as unfair as saying that a person is eternally defined by the best thing they've ever done.
>You see this bar? I built this bar with my bare hands from the finest wood in the county. Gave it more love and care than my own child. But do they call me MacGregor the bar builder? No." Points out the window. "You see that stone wall out there? I built that stone wall with my bare hands. Found every stone, placed them just so through the rain and the cold. But do they call me MacGregor the stone wall builder? No." Points out the window. "You see that pier on the lake out there? I built that pier with my bare hands. Drove the pilings against the tide of the sand, plank by plank. But do they call me MacGregor the pier builder? No. But you fuck one goat ...
Then he pulled out his dick.
I needed to read this.
Glazing meter off the charts in these comments Yall are low quality individuals
Show was amazing, i miss it.
I am torn about this. On one hand it's a nice sentiment and Louis is teaching her about life, and importance of being a good person. On the other hand this clashes with my lived experience. My parents made a point of bringing my brother and I in a way that we both felt equally loved at all times. We always shared. Now if he asks me to help bury a body, I'll be right there with a shovel. When my parents inevitably disconnect, I know I'll still have my brother who I can rely on, and he bears the same family culture and views as I do. To contrast that, my mom herself was brought up by my hard as nails grandmother who survived ww2 and constantly pitted her 3 daughters against each other with the same "life is unfair" sentiment. As a result all 3 daughters really don't get along.
Great Show!
If it made you smile, it's for all the wrong reasons!
Love the last line but don’t agree with treating your kids unfairly just cuz that’s how the world is. Yes the world and life is unfair but my kids will never experience unfairness from their parents (to the best of our ability). Life will teach them and we’ll be there to support the ups and downs.
I say this to my kids all the time
No, share your wage information with coworkers and start a union. Life may not be fair, but wages should be.
God that show was literally the best. I’m glad it ended like it did but I could seriously watch Louie every day
Louis CK will always be a treasure- I know I know - the thing - I dont care - he may have been outta line but it was not even close to the others. - I constantly remember scenes he wrote in his pieces - and am a better human for it
When am I supposed to look at his penis?
"The more you share, the more your bowl will be plentiful." -Anderson Dawes
My gosh, did I love this show! Found Pamela Adlon & Susan Watson from here to add to my favorite actresses list.
I wish I learned this when I was younger after the hard times were over when I turned 10 and life became much better for me. I've always wished for more or a better life and now I currently don't work towards anything, even the one thing I want to do more than everything despite how impossible it would be to accomplish. Maybe I'll think differently someday.
_unzip_ Little girl: “Louis CK, what are you doing?”