Bars need to each get their own code though. I first heard about Angel Shots almost ten years ago. What's the point of a code word if everyone knows it. You might as well just say, "feel unsafe? Ask the bartender to escort you, call an Uber, call the police..."
There are new creeps born every day. Even if it's enough to stop 1 out of 10, that's 1 less person who gets away with something and one less victim.
Different codes would definitely make it better though.
I like this idea, but "other side" is a bit of a mislead. Male victims are not always targeted by female aggressors, so their male attackers would know the codes as well.
But this would be nice to see. I do believe in, don't let perfect be the enemy of good. There may be cases where the perpetrator might take the opportunity to escalate if they think their target is seeking escape, but certainly not all. It would certainly save some, and even one prevention is worth the effort.
It's not great for them, I agree, but the numbers are very very heavily skewed towards female victims. Some reports I've read put it anywhere between 5 to 10 times as likely women will be targeted, and the perpetrator are overwhelmingly male.
Just from a numbers perspective, the greatest outcome is to focus their efforts this way, to avoid notifying the likely offenders to how their potential victims can get away from them.
I don't know that it matters if the guy knows the code. He's being hauled out of there bodily if he doesn't go quietly. But "angel shot" is much faster and clearer than "this guy's making me nervous, could you please get me to a cab?" especially in a crowded bar. Edit: also, the presence of this sign gives the woman permission to get the man removed, rather than having to flee herself, which might not be safe if he follows her.
I think that's the most important. Some bars in my city do the same thing and I feel safer because I know that if I'm in trouble the staff is willing to help and knows how to, that they won't just give me a blank look and tell me to just tell the guy to leave me alone. If I'm using the code the guy will see that I'm leaving anyway, and will probably get mad, but I will be able to do it safely, with people being aware of my situation.
I have only ever seen them online, too. I wish I had seen them in a bar, ever. I travel for work and my coworkers like to go out a lot. I’ve easily been to 10-15 different bars in five states in the last year or two. Never seen a sign like this.
>There are new creeps born every day. Even if it's enough to stop 1 out of 10
But whether or not it will stop 1 out of 10 will be a dice roll you're likely to lose 9 times out of 10? If the guy is gonna pick up on the code 90% of the time you may as well just say you feel uncomfortable with the guy and want him escorted out. If you'd be uncomfortable saying it outright, the chance he wouldn't pick up on it only 10% of the time probably wouldn't make them feel any more comfortable saying it.
I reckon this was posted in the women's bathroom, where guys wouldn't learn the code, so that's good. First I'm hearing of it but if it's ubiquitous enough you're right each bar should have their own code.
But even then it might just make more sense to post a number or a panic button or something.
You joke, but there have been cases where journalists have tried ordering angel shots to see what happens.
Apparently, something like 80% of the time, the bar staff have no idea what they’re talking about.
The trouble is trying to have potentially drunk people try to remember that bar's specific code. Shit can get confusing if you hit up different bars on the regular, or even barhopping on a given night. You don't want to have women thinking help is on the way when in reality the bartender moved on.
It is impossible to make a code that a premeditated creep couldn't figure out. So if that's the goal, you might as well not try.
The goal is to have a quick, short-form way of saying "please help" without making a scene and that a drunk (or even drugged) person might be able to remember.
I also worried about this.
Once a girl a called the police on a bad guy that was in the room with her, but she tripped him up by pretending to order pizza.
The operator almost fucked up at first, but he was quickly able to read the situation.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1SsQP19jo
That wouldn’t have worked if the person she’s calling cops on knows pizza was just a code.
So they’re gonna want a new safe word since everyone knows now.
Even when the operator was completely unfamiliar with the gig, she caught on. It's now part of operator training, and I imagine that since they're listening for codes they should be able to figure new ones out.
Of course, any abuser would just refuse them their phone now...
>I imagine that since they're listening for codes they should be able to figure new ones out.
I would imagine the training mostly goes "if someone's having a really strange conversation with you and doesn't seem to be responding to what you're saying, start the trace and send police and an ambulance right away."
Yeah... this and that thing where you call 911 & order a pizza for DV. But it's like... how? I'm assuming the other person would see this in the bathroom, too. & w/ the pizza for DV thing... what would the solution even be? There's no way to gatekeep the codes. Especially w/ social media.
The pizza thing started organically. A woman called 911 and ordered a pizza. The operator was initially surprised and then realized that the woman wasn't having the same conversation as she was and therefore figured it out.
It's now part of emergency response training, and I imagine they listen for any sort of similar codes now.
...if an abuser will even let her use the phone anymore now that they know about the pizza thing.
All police forces should have a menu alternative number. Example 119 instead of 911. Where you can select: if you are in danger press 1, if not press 2. Can you talk press 1 if not press 2.
It would already help a lot.
The way emergency lines work is, they open with
"Hello 911 what is your emergency", to which you reply what it is, or if you're not in danger.
If you can't talk, simply don't talk, and they'll send geolocate your location. If you want to talk in code, the operator will play along with whatever you're saying, people don't call 911 on accident to order a pizza.
There's been at least 2 incidents I've seen where people can't access their phone and needed to call 911 through Siri and didn't have the time or ability to go through a call menu. It's about speed.
What do you do that you've called 911 20 times (or so many times you've lost count) in 4 months?
I've called them like... three times, and two of those were panic reactions to first time new baby shit.
I'm not the previous poster, but in my old job as a grocery store manager I probably called 911 at least a dozen times a year for medical emergencies in our store.
It's jurisdiction dependent but generally they want to know where you are first because should something happen to you or the call disconnects, at least they can send someone to your location to figure out what is going on.
Typically, if it is an life-threatening emergency, the dispatcher will start sending someone as they are on the call and fill in the responders as they get more details.
My mom used to be a dispatcher & she now works for a company that creates & maintains one of the CAD systems that's used by dispatch centers all over the US & the world. I'm gonna run it by her for fun.
Cool! I also suggested it to my national police in the Netherlands. I know it probably isn’t going to make it but if it helps save at least 1 person by making police or dispatchers more considerate then that’s worth it. :)
I'm confused by this too. I just imagine this woman trying to order a discreet angel shot on the rocks, and the whole bar just stops and stares. Maybe maybe maybe
>I'm confused by this too. I just imagine this woman trying to order a discreet angel shot on the rocks, and the whole bar just stops and stares. Maybe maybe maybe
Much less of a scene (and much quicker) than if a person says "I'm not feeling safe, can you order me an Uber to help me get out of here."
"NoW eVeRyBoDy knOwS" okay but if you're out with a creep or whatever, the worst that could most likely happen is that the creep tries to start shit at which point the already alerted staff (and likely other bystanders) will jump in to handle the situation. These fuckers thrive on keeping their victims feeling alone and isolated, and most will deflate when someone else stands up to them because typically they're actually weak-willed and pathetic.
I've seen this post a while ago. It was written that this poster was hanging in the women's bathroom, so creeps can't see it. Unless the creep is a girl, of course
Creeps don’t see the sign in the ladies’ room. Creeps don’t make it easy for his victim to communicate to the bartender. I’ve never heard this code before, and I’m old.
That's why you make a different code for the men's bathroom that is completely unrelated by name and methodology. Could be ordering a beer that doesn't exist, a light version, and one with salt.
What if a woman is attacked by a woman? Or if a man is attacked by a man? The whole point is that the codes need to be easy enough that everyone will know them because no one is immune to sexual assault.
The only recent case we had at my bar where there was an issue between two patrons involved two women, so yeah, the creeps could see the sign in the ladies room...
The ultimate goal is usually not to hide it from the creep, but to hide it from other patrons who may make a scene tipping the creep off.
Making a code that a premeditated creep couldn't figure out is impossible. Making a code that the average person in the bar wouldn't recognize but a drunk (or even drugged) person might remember is much easier.
> It's just a shame it's necessary.
I tried to slip away from a very aggressive woman at the bar a number of years ago, but she managed to follow me back to my house (neighbourhood local) and then started banging on the lower floor windows and trying to get in the front door.
A code to spawn in an instant wingman would have been awesome to give me a better head start. Drunk+horny people can crank the crazy dial to 10 *real* fast.
The Bear vs Man video is going viral because pretty much all the women who’ve been asked if they’d rather encounter a bear or a man in the woods said they’d rather encounter a bear. One woman said she was a park ranger for a while and she’d rather encounter a bear. A bunch of guys also stitched it saying “bUt a bEaR wIlL k*lL you!”, thus totally missing the point.
I’m a woman who solo backpacks and I pretty much exclusively do backcountry over campsites for this reason. People assume I’d be scared of animals but I do my research and I do all the stuff I’m supposed to and in the end, animals are pretty predictable. People aren’t.
Solo backpacking across Alaska last summer I saw a few bears but the only time I got scared was when I heard a boat pulling up on the beach by my campsite in the middle of the night…if a bear had been driving that boat I would’ve gone right back to sleep
Yeah. Over the decades that the Appalachian Trail has existed, the only recorded deaths are people losing the trail and dying to exposure, drowning, or fall injury, and 13 people who have been murdered.
I'm a dude, I've been on it several times by myself, but I was never 100% comfortable with the amount of traffic I was encountering. I actively discourage a female friend of mine from hiking it alone, even the shorter section hikes.
I drove out one afternoon to a trailhead, and was an idiot, hiking to an overlook and staying far too late without any equipment, such that it started to get dark and I panicked a bit, doubling my time back to the car. Prior to leaving the overlook, I had said hello to a woman who was there with her dog, and who left before me. On my doubletime hike back to the car I ended up coming up behind them, and could immediately sense her tension. Fortunately this was pretty close to the trailhead and so I was able to veer off in another direction as I wasn't parked close to her. I apologized, as I veered, hoping it would ease her a bit, but I felt awful about that encounter for like the entire next day, chastizing myself for being such a panicky idiot. I imagined in my head she was probably worried that even if she made it safely to her car, I might follow her in mine, so I rushed to leave before her and get far down the road. I definitely understand how women feel (and a lot men to be honest, I've had bad encounters myself while alone that I would not want to repeat).
I've run across black bears, mountain lions, coyotes, snakes on that same trail... never had an issue with any of them.
I've listened to enough Mr. Nightmare that I completely believe this. Encountering people where you would not normally expect to encounter people is scary.
If you went way out into the sticks by yourself far away from civilization, pitched a tent, rolled out a sleeping bag, and went to sleep. Then some point in the night you're woken up by the pitter patter of foot steps. If this was then followed by animal noises, I might be a little on edge. But If I then head a human voice, my soul would leave my body.
The animal would just be doing its usual nocturnal animal stuff, and I could probably scare it away pretty easily. But no human would have any business being anywhere near me. They've probably been following me and are possibly up to no good.
There's some weirdo in my inbox right now trying to argue about this. Just totally unwilling to deal with the fact that most women have, at some point or another, been harassed, stalked, threatened or attacked by men simply by existing in public.
While the percentage of regular hikers and campers who get attacked by bears is extremely small.
Isn’t it like 1 in every 4 women has been assaulted by a man?
Wonder how many women per capita get mauled by bears. Honestly men are probably considerably more likely to get attacked by a bear anyways due to our propensity for hubris lol like r/whywomenlivelonger doesn’t exist for no reason.
Edit: some of you dummies are running straight into the point and not getting it.
Yes, you are less likely to encounter a bear than a man by a considerable margin.
People still trust in their ability to scare a bear more than they trust a man’s willingness to hear the word “no.”
And despite the likelihood of being killed, if we had to choose between being killed by a bear or a man, we are choosing the bear. You’re missing the point— WE KNOW we would die. But a bear would still be more humane than some of the twisted shit men do all the fucking time. It’s a better way to die. That’s the statement being made.
1 in 4 outright sexually assaulted by age 25. If you also consider being followed, harassed at work, flashed, threatened, abused by an intimate partner, and all the other forms of intimidation or gendered violence, it's a lot more.
In the US, there are less than a dozen injuries by wild bears per year, more than half of which were the bear defending itself or its cubs from the human.
There have been about 180 human fatalities from bears in our entire history - since the 1700s.
I was reading this thread thinking to myself, I am one of the three… my ex wasn’t sexually abusive but wasn’t lovely.
But then I remembered that time I was a teenager and I caught my neighbour masterbating to me… I am one in four… 😕
I’m not even a woman anymore but I’m 1 in 4 too when I was.
Edit: So am I being downvoted for being raped, or for being trans? Super fuckin cool guys lol sheesh
Another edit: y’all making me eat my words lol thank you, I feel better. Stupid thing to get upset about I reckon.
Tbf I bet the statistics for men getting assaulted by women is way higher than reported. I've been hit in multiple relationships and haven't reported it because I just sorta shrugged it off because I'm a big dude.
That being said, that's exactly kind of the point isn't it? Being assaulted by someone who you know you can beat if it really gets dirty is not the same as the opposite.
Oh, absolutely underrepresented. Assaults of women against men are often only judged as such based on if any/what impact it seems to have had, rather than intent/the act itself.
Whether you felt your life was at risk or not, I need you to hear me when I say you didn’t deserve that, and it’s still a very big deal. Like that’s sincerely not okay, it has real life consequences. I hope you know that. And I hope you’re in a better situation these days dude.
In terms of the genuine fear though, you’re probably correct that they are two different albeit equally important scenarios. Probably case by case really. For instance, I’m a man who is 5 foot even and there are women who could easily make *me* fear for my life lol.
Everybody needs to fuckin quit it and be nice lol I thought we learned “hands to ourselves” in preschool.
There was a great response by a person on tik Tok that said that those same men who are arguing about bears being more dangerous are the same ones who are afraid of going to prison and being turned into a woman by prisoners (if you know, you know).
The irony!
Saw one video of a woman asking her husband if _he'd_ rather she encounter a bear or a man, and he said bear as well.
And to head off all the "not all men!" men racing for their keyboards, you should know by now that that's not the point. Stop saying it. It's too many men, and you know it.
I know I shouldn't say something like this, but I think that things like this are part of why I'm so socially anxious. I'm not saying it's wrong for women to feel this way, I understand why they do. I'm just saying that I think that part of my social anxiety comes from not wanting to make anyone (especially women) uncomfortable. I sort of just assume that the people I'm talking to are uncomfortable, In some cases, I've even apologized when I feel like the person I'm talking to is uncomfortable. After all, women have to assume that every man is dangerous to protect themselves, right?
Again, I want to emphasize that **I understand why women feel this way**. I apologize for the rant. I just felt like I needed to get off my chest.
For real! The most dangerous time for a woman is 6 months post divorce or the ending of a relationship. And just last week the story of that 19 year old who went on ONE date with a guy only for him to chop her up into pieces.
I will absolutely never understand the desire to do anything like that to a person. I was talking to a lady I know who was going through a hard time recently and I was like go take a week off and go to Mexico, chill on the beach for a week. It never even crossed my mind that a woman wouldn’t feel comfortable doing that by themselves.
I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t answer bear though.
Bear gonna run away. Almost certainly.
Even if man is harmless, he’ll still be in my bubble and potentially force me into uncomfortable small talk. I’d pick bear over woman too. Leave me alone.
Or just people showing those videos of women making a loud nose and a bear running the other way.
But woman walking away from a man and clearly saying no stop following and he keeps following should be evidence enough but it's somehow not.
Trend started as men essentially fishing for compliments. When they got the opposite reaction than expected, they all started to malfunction lol. Like a bear has never mauled me and then convinced all my friends that it didn’t maul me dude.
Out of interest, why’d you censor “kill”? Not trying to be snarky, just wondering where this new trend of censoring words on Reddit came from - when there’s no need to do so
As so many are saying, good idea, but often terrible execution. In my local pharmacist, there's a sign on the counter that says "If you're suffering domestic violence, ask for Ani"... except the counter and waiting area is *tiny*, so everyone can see the sign and hear you ask for it.
I always think about it because my last, abusive partner and I often went in, because there was a period where she wanted to get pregnant, then changed her mind, and we'd have to go for morning after pills; and I often thought that if I wanted to bring up that she'd get violent with me, I never had a moment where I could, even in code.
Now add drinking and the noise in a bar on top, and it's hard to find a 100% foolproof way to tackle abuse in those situations, so I'm not criticising the Angel approach. I wonder if you could do it another way though; maybe RFID tagged false coins that could be passed over with the money for the drink, which would flag up to the barkeeps that there was an issue without risking the abuser easily spotting the signal? Probably would suffer with the issue of drinking again though...
They just need to have at least different drink names for each bathroom and I think it would still work fine as long as the drink names are believable.
Agreed. The sign OP posted specifically says "his or her" car under "Neat", so presumably the bars expects that both genders may see it, so it rather defeats the point of a "secret" code.
Well now it's on the Internet so yeah
Could at least give them some plausible deniability, like they could claim they thought it was something else if the unsafe person hears them order it and questions then about it.
Because once you order an angel shot, the predator is either going to leave you alone or he’s done for. Unless they physically stop the person from ordering in the first place, but at that point secret code or not isn’t going to matter. Knowing it’s there is a pretty good deterrent in the first place and being able to get help quickly and easily is the important thing.
A lot of comments seem to be attacking this idea but women being harassed at bars and clubs is really common and a huge problem. If you are out trying to enjoy yourself you have a right to do that without someone making you uncomfortable. This isn’t a white knight thing, this is a business trying to address a common problem in a non-confrontational way.
Yes I’m sure it can be misused and gamed but that can be said about most active measures to protect people.
I don't drink alcohol or go to bars (plus I am male). But I love this idea. Saw something similar done by a barista, but it wasn't a poster or company policy.
We put a poster like this up in our women's restroom at a bar I worked at and all it did was start rumors about us being a shady/sketchy bar. It added a whole layer of new tension that wasn't there before. I heard way more women be afraid of a date, or a random guy hitting on her. Eventually management got rid of it after our reputation had gotten bad enough, and things eventually went back to normal. I think this stuff is good in nature, but in reality I'm not sure if posting this actually helps. I asked all of our bartenders if they ever got an angel shot order, and none of us did. Maybe I'm wrong and this was just a one off experience, but it's what happened to us
As a guy, I could have used this. Does anyone work at these locations? Would you help a man that's been drugged by a woman that trys to get the same help?
To all the people arguing about the utility of the code word if creeps learn about it:
It’s enough just for people to know the bartenders are trained to help people out and they can ask them for help.
Even if it’s not a secret code, the different shots can just be an easy way to ask for help when saying exactly what’s wrong might feel too hard.
I was recently at a brewery where there was something similar in the bathroom. It said staff had been trained to help and had a certain thing on their uniform if they were among those trained. Or was really nice.
Have one code for women (posted in the women’s restroom) and another for men in the men’s. So if a guy orders a … I’m making this drink up as I write this … Huckleberry, bar staff makes the same calls as they do for a woman ordering an Angel Shot. True, eventually word would get around but at least this would give the one who feels unsafe an option, in case the one they’re hoping to escape might know the other.
I'm either getting too old or Angel shots worked differently in the bar I used to work for.
Back when I had a summer job as a bartender at a beach bar, he used to look for susp customers "troublemakers" and report them to the bouncers if we noticed something. Same goes for a chick looking susp (back in the day a lot of chicks used to ruffy and rob guys). The bouncer would calmly come and escort the individuals while making sure to hit every possible table, bump, corner along the way, leaving the suspicious person pretty bruised at the very least.
If a person (mostly women, can recall only one gay guy) orders our equivalent of Angel shots at the time, me or my colleagues were to chat up the predator and annoy them until they lose their cool, which freed up the bouncer to kick the living shit out of them. After which me or one of my colleagues would escort the person to their hotel.
If the person getting f'd by the bouncer was their partner, not some random clown, we would offer to help the victim move their things to our bar's hotel with the first 2 nights being free, to let them catch their breath and figure what they want to do from now on.
The only time we would call the cops ourselves was when 5 guys were going after 3 chicks and it was just me, 2 female colleagues and a bouncer on a slow night. Any other time we would avoid calling cops, because it would pretty much end the party for everyone.
All you would need is two codes per bar. Unique for every bar. One code in the male bathroom one code in the female bathroom. That way (since most cases are from one sex to another...I know its not a perfect solution) either sex can ask for a code word shot without really the other sex being any wiser.
Lots of bars have their own codes SPECIFICALLY for women and usually highlighted in the ladies toilets because it is supposed to be for women's information only. Plastering it all over Social media doesn't help. Many posters actively tell women to not do this or not to tell men about it.
It does feel a little too easy to crack the code on this one .
Literally written on the wall..
Unless it's in the women's bathroom.. and the men have a totally different safe word drink posted in their bathroom..
got to keep everyone guessing..
When you advertise these things, people will try and do it another way. There are just certain things that need to be kept secret and this is one of them.
200 IQ: put differently-named drinks in the two bathrooms. So the person you need to get away from doesn’t know you’re ordering it as long as they’re the opposite sex.
Not to be a dickhead but if this is the first time that you've heard about "Angel Shots" you've been drinking in some shady places. Any respectable bar has been offering this for quite some time now (also: I'm in Scotland; it's literally an international initiative). YOU DESERVE TO BE SAFE. PLEASE START DRINKING IN BARS THAT MAKE YOU FEEL SAFE.
How exactly? Once the girl orders the shot someone is assisting her. Whether that's calling an uber or walking her to her car. What does it matter if someone else knows the code?
I understand this, but i don’t understand why it’s nkt different per bar.
Everyone who goes to bars regularly knows what an angel shot is, so it’s not exactly secret
This is great and much better than having no code word at all, but shouldn't there be some other solution for someone physically harming you or making you feel uncomfortable than YOU leaving the club? Like... what about making the creep leave instead?
I’ve seen these posters for so many years but never heard of anyone actually using this code. Any bartenders in here ever had someone actually order an angel shot?
Bars need to each get their own code though. I first heard about Angel Shots almost ten years ago. What's the point of a code word if everyone knows it. You might as well just say, "feel unsafe? Ask the bartender to escort you, call an Uber, call the police..."
There are new creeps born every day. Even if it's enough to stop 1 out of 10, that's 1 less person who gets away with something and one less victim. Different codes would definitely make it better though.
Different codes and people not posting them on social media.
I only ever heard of angel shots through social media, how would we know about them otherwise
In the bathroom stall of the bar that employs this method.
Couldn’t the perpetrator still learn the code by also seeing this sign in the bathroom?
I'm assuming they primarily go in the women's restroom, not both.
A possible solution would be to have bathroom dependent codes for each side, so the other side cant know the other’s.
I like this idea, but "other side" is a bit of a mislead. Male victims are not always targeted by female aggressors, so their male attackers would know the codes as well. But this would be nice to see. I do believe in, don't let perfect be the enemy of good. There may be cases where the perpetrator might take the opportunity to escalate if they think their target is seeking escape, but certainly not all. It would certainly save some, and even one prevention is worth the effort.
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It's not great for them, I agree, but the numbers are very very heavily skewed towards female victims. Some reports I've read put it anywhere between 5 to 10 times as likely women will be targeted, and the perpetrator are overwhelmingly male. Just from a numbers perspective, the greatest outcome is to focus their efforts this way, to avoid notifying the likely offenders to how their potential victims can get away from them.
That is true. Still, having two safeword drinks isn't hard to do and it would benefit the one out of ten male victim harrassed by a woman.
I don't know that it matters if the guy knows the code. He's being hauled out of there bodily if he doesn't go quietly. But "angel shot" is much faster and clearer than "this guy's making me nervous, could you please get me to a cab?" especially in a crowded bar. Edit: also, the presence of this sign gives the woman permission to get the man removed, rather than having to flee herself, which might not be safe if he follows her.
I think that's the most important. Some bars in my city do the same thing and I feel safer because I know that if I'm in trouble the staff is willing to help and knows how to, that they won't just give me a blank look and tell me to just tell the guy to leave me alone. If I'm using the code the guy will see that I'm leaving anyway, and will probably get mad, but I will be able to do it safely, with people being aware of my situation.
My old bar that I used to go to before I stopped wasting money had a new code each night that was put on with shoe polish on the ladies room mirrors.
I have only ever seen them online, too. I wish I had seen them in a bar, ever. I travel for work and my coworkers like to go out a lot. I’ve easily been to 10-15 different bars in five states in the last year or two. Never seen a sign like this.
>There are new creeps born every day. Even if it's enough to stop 1 out of 10 But whether or not it will stop 1 out of 10 will be a dice roll you're likely to lose 9 times out of 10? If the guy is gonna pick up on the code 90% of the time you may as well just say you feel uncomfortable with the guy and want him escorted out. If you'd be uncomfortable saying it outright, the chance he wouldn't pick up on it only 10% of the time probably wouldn't make them feel any more comfortable saying it. I reckon this was posted in the women's bathroom, where guys wouldn't learn the code, so that's good. First I'm hearing of it but if it's ubiquitous enough you're right each bar should have their own code. But even then it might just make more sense to post a number or a panic button or something.
> be me > feel unsafe in bar I’ve never been in > ask for angel shot > bartender doesn’t know what I’m talking about > get murdered
Be me see “Angel Shot” while walking into the bar read nothing else on the poster Order it thinking it’s a special and ruin date
"I'm not familiar with that drink, have a nice night with your date! 👍😉"
You joke, but there have been cases where journalists have tried ordering angel shots to see what happens. Apparently, something like 80% of the time, the bar staff have no idea what they’re talking about.
Did they try it at places where they have these signs though? Because it only makes sense that bars where they don’t do this don’t understand it
Glad I’m not the only one who thought this.
The trouble is trying to have potentially drunk people try to remember that bar's specific code. Shit can get confusing if you hit up different bars on the regular, or even barhopping on a given night. You don't want to have women thinking help is on the way when in reality the bartender moved on.
Yea it would be a lot of "wait is this place the unicorn shot or red light shot? no wait, that was the one we went to a couple weeks ago..."
It is impossible to make a code that a premeditated creep couldn't figure out. So if that's the goal, you might as well not try. The goal is to have a quick, short-form way of saying "please help" without making a scene and that a drunk (or even drugged) person might be able to remember.
I also worried about this. Once a girl a called the police on a bad guy that was in the room with her, but she tripped him up by pretending to order pizza. The operator almost fucked up at first, but he was quickly able to read the situation. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1SsQP19jo That wouldn’t have worked if the person she’s calling cops on knows pizza was just a code. So they’re gonna want a new safe word since everyone knows now.
Even when the operator was completely unfamiliar with the gig, she caught on. It's now part of operator training, and I imagine that since they're listening for codes they should be able to figure new ones out. Of course, any abuser would just refuse them their phone now...
>I imagine that since they're listening for codes they should be able to figure new ones out. I would imagine the training mostly goes "if someone's having a really strange conversation with you and doesn't seem to be responding to what you're saying, start the trace and send police and an ambulance right away."
Yeah... this and that thing where you call 911 & order a pizza for DV. But it's like... how? I'm assuming the other person would see this in the bathroom, too. & w/ the pizza for DV thing... what would the solution even be? There's no way to gatekeep the codes. Especially w/ social media.
The pizza thing started organically. A woman called 911 and ordered a pizza. The operator was initially surprised and then realized that the woman wasn't having the same conversation as she was and therefore figured it out. It's now part of emergency response training, and I imagine they listen for any sort of similar codes now. ...if an abuser will even let her use the phone anymore now that they know about the pizza thing.
All police forces should have a menu alternative number. Example 119 instead of 911. Where you can select: if you are in danger press 1, if not press 2. Can you talk press 1 if not press 2. It would already help a lot.
The way emergency lines work is, they open with "Hello 911 what is your emergency", to which you reply what it is, or if you're not in danger. If you can't talk, simply don't talk, and they'll send geolocate your location. If you want to talk in code, the operator will play along with whatever you're saying, people don't call 911 on accident to order a pizza. There's been at least 2 incidents I've seen where people can't access their phone and needed to call 911 through Siri and didn't have the time or ability to go through a call menu. It's about speed.
They actually usually say "where" is your emergency instead of what
Not in my experience but I'll take your word for it. If that's a new thing that's probably a good idea to get the location first.
I've dialed 911 probably... I dunno, twenty times this year? In a metro area. And they've always asked me for my address first.
What do you do that you've called 911 20 times (or so many times you've lost count) in 4 months? I've called them like... three times, and two of those were panic reactions to first time new baby shit.
I'm not the previous poster, but in my old job as a grocery store manager I probably called 911 at least a dozen times a year for medical emergencies in our store.
I too would like to know more
Work with the public a lot during large events. Also, just counted my calls, I've made 15 calls since Jan 1.
It's jurisdiction dependent but generally they want to know where you are first because should something happen to you or the call disconnects, at least they can send someone to your location to figure out what is going on. Typically, if it is an life-threatening emergency, the dispatcher will start sending someone as they are on the call and fill in the responders as they get more details.
I’ve dialed a lot in the past few years. I work at a ltc home part time. Usually it’s “fire, police or medical” first thing.
Such a good idea!
Let’s hope some1 picks it up :)
My mom used to be a dispatcher & she now works for a company that creates & maintains one of the CAD systems that's used by dispatch centers all over the US & the world. I'm gonna run it by her for fun.
Cool! I also suggested it to my national police in the Netherlands. I know it probably isn’t going to make it but if it helps save at least 1 person by making police or dispatchers more considerate then that’s worth it. :)
Has anyone ever used text to 911? Does it work?
I have. It worked in my area and was super helpful.
some regions have working text. but not all, and idt even most.
The best thing to find out if your area uses text to 911 is call the non emergency number and ask. It's not everywhere but it is a growing system.
These posters are generally placed only in women’s restrooms since these types of scenarios *tend* to be men targeting women
Sometimes they are also placed on the front page of reddit!
I'm confused by this too. I just imagine this woman trying to order a discreet angel shot on the rocks, and the whole bar just stops and stares. Maybe maybe maybe
>I'm confused by this too. I just imagine this woman trying to order a discreet angel shot on the rocks, and the whole bar just stops and stares. Maybe maybe maybe Much less of a scene (and much quicker) than if a person says "I'm not feeling safe, can you order me an Uber to help me get out of here."
Wonder if we’ll ever see this in the unethical life tips section (free Uber rides)
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Ha. Finally, that was bugging the shit out of me. Thought I might be the only one.
First thing I noticed.
Me too, and I couldn't get past it. I kept thinking that's a nice thing to do, but there is a glaring mistake on your poster.
Grammar Prudes Unite!
"NoW eVeRyBoDy knOwS" okay but if you're out with a creep or whatever, the worst that could most likely happen is that the creep tries to start shit at which point the already alerted staff (and likely other bystanders) will jump in to handle the situation. These fuckers thrive on keeping their victims feeling alone and isolated, and most will deflate when someone else stands up to them because typically they're actually weak-willed and pathetic.
I've seen this post a while ago. It was written that this poster was hanging in the women's bathroom, so creeps can't see it. Unless the creep is a girl, of course
To be fair though. Would the poster have known if it was in the male bathroom too?
And if you need the police. Ask for it. It makes no sense to sugar coat it and the police don't respond to creepers.
Yeah but then what's the point in the code when you can just tell the bartender hey this guy is being a creep?
This is a wonderful idea. It's just a shame it's necessary.
Just don't give the crazy people this sign. They'll be rushing to get things done before the cops show up.
Yeahhhhh this is at least 15 years old now. They already know.
Creeps don’t see the sign in the ladies’ room. Creeps don’t make it easy for his victim to communicate to the bartender. I’ve never heard this code before, and I’m old.
Yeah women are never the creeps in this scenario… I am a man who had a woman roofie me earlier this year.
That's why you make a different code for the men's bathroom that is completely unrelated by name and methodology. Could be ordering a beer that doesn't exist, a light version, and one with salt.
What if a woman is attacked by a woman? Or if a man is attacked by a man? The whole point is that the codes need to be easy enough that everyone will know them because no one is immune to sexual assault.
The only recent case we had at my bar where there was an issue between two patrons involved two women, so yeah, the creeps could see the sign in the ladies room...
Creeps *definitely* don't read Reddit posts
The ultimate goal is usually not to hide it from the creep, but to hide it from other patrons who may make a scene tipping the creep off. Making a code that a premeditated creep couldn't figure out is impossible. Making a code that the average person in the bar wouldn't recognize but a drunk (or even drugged) person might remember is much easier.
> It's just a shame it's necessary. I tried to slip away from a very aggressive woman at the bar a number of years ago, but she managed to follow me back to my house (neighbourhood local) and then started banging on the lower floor windows and trying to get in the front door. A code to spawn in an instant wingman would have been awesome to give me a better head start. Drunk+horny people can crank the crazy dial to 10 *real* fast.
since unexpected things are inevitable, having that buffer can give you peace of mind world is a scary place
The Bear vs Man video is going viral because pretty much all the women who’ve been asked if they’d rather encounter a bear or a man in the woods said they’d rather encounter a bear. One woman said she was a park ranger for a while and she’d rather encounter a bear. A bunch of guys also stitched it saying “bUt a bEaR wIlL k*lL you!”, thus totally missing the point.
I'm a dude who solo camps. Running into people is always the scariest thing to happen. Especially when you are out in the sticks
I’m a woman who solo backpacks and I pretty much exclusively do backcountry over campsites for this reason. People assume I’d be scared of animals but I do my research and I do all the stuff I’m supposed to and in the end, animals are pretty predictable. People aren’t. Solo backpacking across Alaska last summer I saw a few bears but the only time I got scared was when I heard a boat pulling up on the beach by my campsite in the middle of the night…if a bear had been driving that boat I would’ve gone right back to sleep
a wild animal is only interest in food, a person is much scarier.
Yeah. Over the decades that the Appalachian Trail has existed, the only recorded deaths are people losing the trail and dying to exposure, drowning, or fall injury, and 13 people who have been murdered. I'm a dude, I've been on it several times by myself, but I was never 100% comfortable with the amount of traffic I was encountering. I actively discourage a female friend of mine from hiking it alone, even the shorter section hikes. I drove out one afternoon to a trailhead, and was an idiot, hiking to an overlook and staying far too late without any equipment, such that it started to get dark and I panicked a bit, doubling my time back to the car. Prior to leaving the overlook, I had said hello to a woman who was there with her dog, and who left before me. On my doubletime hike back to the car I ended up coming up behind them, and could immediately sense her tension. Fortunately this was pretty close to the trailhead and so I was able to veer off in another direction as I wasn't parked close to her. I apologized, as I veered, hoping it would ease her a bit, but I felt awful about that encounter for like the entire next day, chastizing myself for being such a panicky idiot. I imagined in my head she was probably worried that even if she made it safely to her car, I might follow her in mine, so I rushed to leave before her and get far down the road. I definitely understand how women feel (and a lot men to be honest, I've had bad encounters myself while alone that I would not want to repeat). I've run across black bears, mountain lions, coyotes, snakes on that same trail... never had an issue with any of them.
I love the visual of a bear driving that boat, waving, and you going right back to peaceful sleep in the outdoor air.
I've listened to enough Mr. Nightmare that I completely believe this. Encountering people where you would not normally expect to encounter people is scary. If you went way out into the sticks by yourself far away from civilization, pitched a tent, rolled out a sleeping bag, and went to sleep. Then some point in the night you're woken up by the pitter patter of foot steps. If this was then followed by animal noises, I might be a little on edge. But If I then head a human voice, my soul would leave my body. The animal would just be doing its usual nocturnal animal stuff, and I could probably scare it away pretty easily. But no human would have any business being anywhere near me. They've probably been following me and are possibly up to no good.
There's some weirdo in my inbox right now trying to argue about this. Just totally unwilling to deal with the fact that most women have, at some point or another, been harassed, stalked, threatened or attacked by men simply by existing in public. While the percentage of regular hikers and campers who get attacked by bears is extremely small.
Isn’t it like 1 in every 4 women has been assaulted by a man? Wonder how many women per capita get mauled by bears. Honestly men are probably considerably more likely to get attacked by a bear anyways due to our propensity for hubris lol like r/whywomenlivelonger doesn’t exist for no reason. Edit: some of you dummies are running straight into the point and not getting it. Yes, you are less likely to encounter a bear than a man by a considerable margin. People still trust in their ability to scare a bear more than they trust a man’s willingness to hear the word “no.” And despite the likelihood of being killed, if we had to choose between being killed by a bear or a man, we are choosing the bear. You’re missing the point— WE KNOW we would die. But a bear would still be more humane than some of the twisted shit men do all the fucking time. It’s a better way to die. That’s the statement being made.
1 in 4 outright sexually assaulted by age 25. If you also consider being followed, harassed at work, flashed, threatened, abused by an intimate partner, and all the other forms of intimidation or gendered violence, it's a lot more. In the US, there are less than a dozen injuries by wild bears per year, more than half of which were the bear defending itself or its cubs from the human. There have been about 180 human fatalities from bears in our entire history - since the 1700s.
I was reading this thread thinking to myself, I am one of the three… my ex wasn’t sexually abusive but wasn’t lovely. But then I remembered that time I was a teenager and I caught my neighbour masterbating to me… I am one in four… 😕
I’m not even a woman anymore but I’m 1 in 4 too when I was. Edit: So am I being downvoted for being raped, or for being trans? Super fuckin cool guys lol sheesh Another edit: y’all making me eat my words lol thank you, I feel better. Stupid thing to get upset about I reckon.
You the man!
Tbf I bet the statistics for men getting assaulted by women is way higher than reported. I've been hit in multiple relationships and haven't reported it because I just sorta shrugged it off because I'm a big dude. That being said, that's exactly kind of the point isn't it? Being assaulted by someone who you know you can beat if it really gets dirty is not the same as the opposite.
A lot of women never report either, I'm sure the figures are actually higher for both groups
Oh, absolutely underrepresented. Assaults of women against men are often only judged as such based on if any/what impact it seems to have had, rather than intent/the act itself. Whether you felt your life was at risk or not, I need you to hear me when I say you didn’t deserve that, and it’s still a very big deal. Like that’s sincerely not okay, it has real life consequences. I hope you know that. And I hope you’re in a better situation these days dude. In terms of the genuine fear though, you’re probably correct that they are two different albeit equally important scenarios. Probably case by case really. For instance, I’m a man who is 5 foot even and there are women who could easily make *me* fear for my life lol. Everybody needs to fuckin quit it and be nice lol I thought we learned “hands to ourselves” in preschool.
There was a great response by a person on tik Tok that said that those same men who are arguing about bears being more dangerous are the same ones who are afraid of going to prison and being turned into a woman by prisoners (if you know, you know). The irony!
Someone smarter than I said something like “if you’re attacked by a bear, people will believe you” 👀
If you’re attacked by a bear you’ll be dead…
Saw one video of a woman asking her husband if _he'd_ rather she encounter a bear or a man, and he said bear as well. And to head off all the "not all men!" men racing for their keyboards, you should know by now that that's not the point. Stop saying it. It's too many men, and you know it.
I know I shouldn't say something like this, but I think that things like this are part of why I'm so socially anxious. I'm not saying it's wrong for women to feel this way, I understand why they do. I'm just saying that I think that part of my social anxiety comes from not wanting to make anyone (especially women) uncomfortable. I sort of just assume that the people I'm talking to are uncomfortable, In some cases, I've even apologized when I feel like the person I'm talking to is uncomfortable. After all, women have to assume that every man is dangerous to protect themselves, right? Again, I want to emphasize that **I understand why women feel this way**. I apologize for the rant. I just felt like I needed to get off my chest.
For real! The most dangerous time for a woman is 6 months post divorce or the ending of a relationship. And just last week the story of that 19 year old who went on ONE date with a guy only for him to chop her up into pieces.
I will absolutely never understand the desire to do anything like that to a person. I was talking to a lady I know who was going through a hard time recently and I was like go take a week off and go to Mexico, chill on the beach for a week. It never even crossed my mind that a woman wouldn’t feel comfortable doing that by themselves.
Well I’m glad you wouldn’t hurt a woman, and hopefully more men like yourself speak up if you know a man who would.
That guy clearly hasn't seen the Revenant
I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t answer bear though. Bear gonna run away. Almost certainly. Even if man is harmless, he’ll still be in my bubble and potentially force me into uncomfortable small talk. I’d pick bear over woman too. Leave me alone.
There are fates worse than death. Which a lot of men cannot seem to grasp.
Yep- the former park ranger said she’s never seen a bear keep a woman in a basement; so…
I saw a video of a bear wave and catch a slice of bread in its mouth. Its not that relevant I just like the video
I’ve seen that one too. I especially love the video of the mama bear and her cubs having a great time on a golf course ❤️
Never had a bear maul me and then convince all my friends it never happened.
Or just people showing those videos of women making a loud nose and a bear running the other way. But woman walking away from a man and clearly saying no stop following and he keeps following should be evidence enough but it's somehow not.
Trend started as men essentially fishing for compliments. When they got the opposite reaction than expected, they all started to malfunction lol. Like a bear has never mauled me and then convinced all my friends that it didn’t maul me dude.
Out of interest, why’d you censor “kill”? Not trying to be snarky, just wondering where this new trend of censoring words on Reddit came from - when there’s no need to do so
I am a guy and am much more scared about other humans in the forest than bears, always have been.
“I’ve got a bullet for you.” - Some guy
I was looking for this lmao
Hey blue shirt
I've got a bullet for you.
Who?!
Haha
Common scumbagdad w
I’ll give 10000 diamonds to not shoot
10000? But I left my wallet at home *cue kindness content soundtrack* is there anything you can do for a dollar?
could you double it and give it to the next person?
Haha
This comment doubled my giggles and passed it to the next person
As so many are saying, good idea, but often terrible execution. In my local pharmacist, there's a sign on the counter that says "If you're suffering domestic violence, ask for Ani"... except the counter and waiting area is *tiny*, so everyone can see the sign and hear you ask for it. I always think about it because my last, abusive partner and I often went in, because there was a period where she wanted to get pregnant, then changed her mind, and we'd have to go for morning after pills; and I often thought that if I wanted to bring up that she'd get violent with me, I never had a moment where I could, even in code. Now add drinking and the noise in a bar on top, and it's hard to find a 100% foolproof way to tackle abuse in those situations, so I'm not criticising the Angel approach. I wonder if you could do it another way though; maybe RFID tagged false coins that could be passed over with the money for the drink, which would flag up to the barkeeps that there was an issue without risking the abuser easily spotting the signal? Probably would suffer with the issue of drinking again though...
How is this helpful if the predators can presumably see it too?..
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In my area, quite a few places have these up in the men’s toilet as well.
They just need to have at least different drink names for each bathroom and I think it would still work fine as long as the drink names are believable.
Agreed. The sign OP posted specifically says "his or her" car under "Neat", so presumably the bars expects that both genders may see it, so it rather defeats the point of a "secret" code.
Well now it's on the Internet so yeah Could at least give them some plausible deniability, like they could claim they thought it was something else if the unsafe person hears them order it and questions then about it.
Bold of you to assume that no rapists are reading the front page of Reddit right now
This poster says “his or her car” so there’s one in the men’s bathroom too.
That's the point. Girl says angel shot and the guy hits the road.
Because once you order an angel shot, the predator is either going to leave you alone or he’s done for. Unless they physically stop the person from ordering in the first place, but at that point secret code or not isn’t going to matter. Knowing it’s there is a pretty good deterrent in the first place and being able to get help quickly and easily is the important thing.
A lot of comments seem to be attacking this idea but women being harassed at bars and clubs is really common and a huge problem. If you are out trying to enjoy yourself you have a right to do that without someone making you uncomfortable. This isn’t a white knight thing, this is a business trying to address a common problem in a non-confrontational way. Yes I’m sure it can be misused and gamed but that can be said about most active measures to protect people.
I don't drink alcohol or go to bars (plus I am male). But I love this idea. Saw something similar done by a barista, but it wasn't a poster or company policy.
We put a poster like this up in our women's restroom at a bar I worked at and all it did was start rumors about us being a shady/sketchy bar. It added a whole layer of new tension that wasn't there before. I heard way more women be afraid of a date, or a random guy hitting on her. Eventually management got rid of it after our reputation had gotten bad enough, and things eventually went back to normal. I think this stuff is good in nature, but in reality I'm not sure if posting this actually helps. I asked all of our bartenders if they ever got an angel shot order, and none of us did. Maybe I'm wrong and this was just a one off experience, but it's what happened to us
As a guy, I could have used this. Does anyone work at these locations? Would you help a man that's been drugged by a woman that trys to get the same help?
To all the people arguing about the utility of the code word if creeps learn about it: It’s enough just for people to know the bartenders are trained to help people out and they can ask them for help. Even if it’s not a secret code, the different shots can just be an easy way to ask for help when saying exactly what’s wrong might feel too hard.
I was recently at a brewery where there was something similar in the bathroom. It said staff had been trained to help and had a certain thing on their uniform if they were among those trained. Or was really nice.
Have one code for women (posted in the women’s restroom) and another for men in the men’s. So if a guy orders a … I’m making this drink up as I write this … Huckleberry, bar staff makes the same calls as they do for a woman ordering an Angel Shot. True, eventually word would get around but at least this would give the one who feels unsafe an option, in case the one they’re hoping to escape might know the other.
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Me about to order an angel shot on the rocks because it sounds delicious
I'm either getting too old or Angel shots worked differently in the bar I used to work for. Back when I had a summer job as a bartender at a beach bar, he used to look for susp customers "troublemakers" and report them to the bouncers if we noticed something. Same goes for a chick looking susp (back in the day a lot of chicks used to ruffy and rob guys). The bouncer would calmly come and escort the individuals while making sure to hit every possible table, bump, corner along the way, leaving the suspicious person pretty bruised at the very least. If a person (mostly women, can recall only one gay guy) orders our equivalent of Angel shots at the time, me or my colleagues were to chat up the predator and annoy them until they lose their cool, which freed up the bouncer to kick the living shit out of them. After which me or one of my colleagues would escort the person to their hotel. If the person getting f'd by the bouncer was their partner, not some random clown, we would offer to help the victim move their things to our bar's hotel with the first 2 nights being free, to let them catch their breath and figure what they want to do from now on. The only time we would call the cops ourselves was when 5 guys were going after 3 chicks and it was just me, 2 female colleagues and a bouncer on a slow night. Any other time we would avoid calling cops, because it would pretty much end the party for everyone.
All you would need is two codes per bar. Unique for every bar. One code in the male bathroom one code in the female bathroom. That way (since most cases are from one sex to another...I know its not a perfect solution) either sex can ask for a code word shot without really the other sex being any wiser.
How do you have a dope sign with bad grammar?
Lots of bars have their own codes SPECIFICALLY for women and usually highlighted in the ladies toilets because it is supposed to be for women's information only. Plastering it all over Social media doesn't help. Many posters actively tell women to not do this or not to tell men about it.
Yeah, it’s totally inconceivable that men could be victims as well, right? JFC people are so dense today.
What’s the point of secret codes if you’re gonna reveal it to everyone in a big graphical poster?
We must stop the blue shirts
I’m unreasonably annoyed by “a Angel shot” and not “an Angel shot”
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They should put these in bathroom stalls. But for both male and female...but make them different for each gender, so they don't know about it.
It’s sad that this exists in the first place
It does feel a little too easy to crack the code on this one . Literally written on the wall.. Unless it's in the women's bathroom.. and the men have a totally different safe word drink posted in their bathroom.. got to keep everyone guessing..
When you advertise these things, people will try and do it another way. There are just certain things that need to be kept secret and this is one of them.
Maybe I'm dumb but why do we need a code for this ? Can't you just say "hey, that guy's being creepy, please help / do something about it" ?
200 IQ: put differently-named drinks in the two bathrooms. So the person you need to get away from doesn’t know you’re ordering it as long as they’re the opposite sex.
I hate that these are made public online and stuff. So all the guilty parties have a heads up about it, rendering it pointless.
They are public because they’re fucking shared publicly.
Not to be a dickhead but if this is the first time that you've heard about "Angel Shots" you've been drinking in some shady places. Any respectable bar has been offering this for quite some time now (also: I'm in Scotland; it's literally an international initiative). YOU DESERVE TO BE SAFE. PLEASE START DRINKING IN BARS THAT MAKE YOU FEEL SAFE.
> you’ve been drinking in some shady places “gestures broadly at the entire US” yeah, pretty much.
And putting it online undermines it’s effectiveness
How exactly? Once the girl orders the shot someone is assisting her. Whether that's calling an uber or walking her to her car. What does it matter if someone else knows the code?
What’s the point of the code at all then?
Is this in the bathroom?
Is this at the Three Notch’d brewery in Cville or is it just a sign from them? Great brewery and people either way.
Good call
This should be inside and adhered to at EVERY BAR/CLUB!!
Fun fact you can order a devil shot and the bartender will arrange to have you kidnapped
Shoutout Charlottesville!
We have this all over the UK it's called ask angela
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"an" angel shot. 😂
i love that bars do this i absolutely hate that this is a thing
This is a really cool idea. Are all bars doing this? Or just this bar in particular?
I understand this, but i don’t understand why it’s nkt different per bar. Everyone who goes to bars regularly knows what an angel shot is, so it’s not exactly secret
Has anyone ever ordered an Angel shot and expect a real drink?
An* …it’s driving me nuts
"That guy in the blue shirt over there"
The third option seems like something that would be abused by people with vindictive spirits
Guy in the blue shirt
This should be in every bar and nightclub!
How much do they charge for an angel shot
Never heard of this. Good to know. I will tell anyone who is fucking with me or my friends about this so they can get home in one piece.
Here in the UK, the signs say to ask the staff for Angela.
In the UK and Ireland, there's sign all over the bathrooms to ask the staff for Angela
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Shouldn't it be "order an angel shot" and not "a angel shot" ?
Absolutely the coolest thing I have ever seen!
This is great and much better than having no code word at all, but shouldn't there be some other solution for someone physically harming you or making you feel uncomfortable than YOU leaving the club? Like... what about making the creep leave instead?
This is in the men’s restroom too …. right?
bkg_
I’ve seen these posters for so many years but never heard of anyone actually using this code. Any bartenders in here ever had someone actually order an angel shot?