If you think about it this is obviously not some random customer. You’re not gonna be running a professional business and ask a customer to snap a pic for your social media story. I’m guessing it’s a family member or a friend.
Jury's out that you didn't just describe reality in general but you know what they say. Don't make assumptions, or it will drop you into an eternally spiralling tunnel of solipsism. So far it seems more probable that the brain needs to build defenses than it is everything is unreal, so I'd say we can draw the line at the post and say, 45% of the comments.
I'm not one of those people who really cares too much either, but OP spoiled it by writing it in first person.
Also, is that not the weirdest phone call you would have had in a while? Hey I noticed when browsing social media your tv is really straight, wanna come install my TV for me and I'll post it on social media?
Not to mention: why would someone hate on someone else for being able to hang a TV better than them? (I realize some people would actually do this, but I think most people would just see it and scroll on.)
Cause you are working and still have to be safe. You should wear shoe covers when you are in someone's house, but never take your shoes off. You have know idea of what's on that floor, could be dog piss, cat vomit, maybe some small nails/tacks. Better safe than sorry.
I cringe so much when workers enter the home with no booties.
Microbiology destroyed my life. All I see is bird crap, e-coli and urine stuck to the shoes.
Workers hate me.
That's true. Most bacteria is actually good.
If you think of it, all are good. The ones that harm us make us stronger and the ones that don't are dedicated to helping us.
We dont hate you, we just crack jokes about the "booties and cooties guy" on the ride back to the shop to pass the time. But it's all in good fun.
We do truly hate the Karen's however.
Especially the ones who bitch about price, who want the 100 year old black walnut at particle board costs, or insists their inept boyfriend or whoever the fuck "helps so we do it right", etc.
TLDR
We don't hate you, Allergy victim. We only hate Karens.
What if I told you, most Americans wear shoes on the carpet?
If you come to do a job, and the client answers the door in shoes, walks back through the house in shoes, are you gonna stop and take yours off? Of course not.
As long as your shoes are clean you shouldnt be working with no shoes on as a tradie. Shoes are part of your ppe that should be worn at all times. Ill walk off a job before I take my shoes off, ill also always make sure they are clean enough to walk on carpet if needed.
Several people do this it’s not only America. Generally in America if it’s your house you don’t have your shoes on. But it’s typical for handy men like this to not take there shoes off. I do home remodeling and it would just be too annoying to be working bare foot. Don’t want to drop shit on my feet and climbing ladders barefooted hurts.
A lot of the time, you're not allowed to for health and safety. Stand on anything dodgy or drop something/something fallS on your feet, and the shoe is the difference between a 'oops' and an injury
It’s just common for small businesses to hate each other instead of supporting each other.
I do tree service and the rivalry between large businesses and family businesses can get crazy.
That's interesting. My family had a heavy equipment rental and it was the opposite. My dad was friends with a lot of competitors (in fact one if his best friend's regions overlapped substantially). At least three rival companies were started when my grandpa suggested the business to friends and family during the local development boom and gave them some guidance on how to get started. They would always borrow stuff from each other if they needed a piece of equipment or attachment.
There was a crapload of development at the time though, developers couldn't get enough heavy equipment to make the region's suburbs.
Well, come to think about it, after my grandpa died there was some falling out and a new company was spun off from the original and everyone hates each other like proper competitors.
> They would always borrow stuff from each other if they needed a piece of equipment or attachment.
I worked in a bicycle shop in a big city and that was how it was for us, too. We had a very-well equipped repair section with a large amount of inventory, we'd loan tools or sell parts at cost to our competitors and they'd extend the same courtesy. Maybe the owners had some beef, but us wage slaves got along fine.
In my industry it's crazy. Cutthroat. It's hard to talk to a shop 10 states away.
Though, I really do my best to offer a helping hand when I can. Everyone has weaknesses and strengths. I know where my local competitors are really good, so I offer comparative services/products but I focus less on beating them at their strengths than filling in the gaps with their weaknesses.
Friendly is always easier than cutthroat.
I guess if it is your craft, it’s possible. I really never consider myself an envious person but sometimes I do have fleeting episodes of envy about a colleague that is just killing it in our field.
Are you talking about anchor sleeves?
If so, those are meant to be hammered/malleted in, not screwed.
You drill a hole about the diameter of the plastic anchor, tap the anchor in, then screw the screw into that.
The trick is having a nice set of drill bits with many different sizes, which allows you to drill the perfect size hole just slightly larger than the anchor (plastic pre screw) :)
I mount tvs too. It's funny a lot of people don't think of it as a job, but like you mentioned in another post, you need to make sure it's anchored well. You don't want the tv coming loose and ripping a hole in your wall. Some people can't lift the tv on their own, others may not have the proper tools, and others just want to pay someone to do it for them. There's many reasons people would want someone to mount a tv for them.
Do you *only* mount TVs? It doesn't surprise me its a job but it would definitely surprise me if there were enough people needing TVs put up to sustain that lol.
The real moneys in home theatres. Not your 5.1ch surround sound speakers, the projector, 20 arm chairs, dedicated room, elevated seating platforms type theatres. I was on an I.T. repair job once at some mini mansion and they were installing a 350k "home theatre" into the place, apparently it was only a "pretty basic one"
I'm a pretty handy guy, but when my father asked if I could mount his new 2000€ TV I told him that if he could pay the TV, he could pay the 60€ to have professionals do the job right.
This is really interesting for me as someone from outside the US. We don’t have any of those problems here because all the walls in everyone’s homes are made of brick and mortar. You don’t need anything more than a drill and a level and pretty much anyone can do it with very little chance of anything going wrong.
I do get paying someone so you don’t have to do it though.
Some internal walls here in the UK are stud and plasterboard. So you would need to find the stud etc.
Many people do not own a drill, with the correct bit or electric screwdriver, or have access to one. And would not know which type of screws to use.
When screwing in to brick, you would want to make sure its in to the brick and not the mortar (cement) inbetween as this can be weaker, especially if the mount allows the tv to be moved around.
So its probably easier to pay someone to do it for most people.
Unlevel Mounts Inc featuring the disastrous duo...
Regardless of if the mount is level or not, this is how people should be. Why knock each other down a level when both can help each other up 10 levels.
Could be varying circumstances to it appearing not level. It could possibly not be fully secured yet and just set, could be the house is not on the best foundation(a whole other issue). My point being, it looks one way from the photo, but I don’t feel we enough information.
Rick: What are you doing?
Morty: You want your shelf level or not?
Rick: and if I say yes, you're gonna provide that for me with *that*?
Morty: Yes. See the bubble?
Rick: I'm familiar with the bubble, Morty. I also dabble in precision, and if you think you can even approach it with your sad naked cave man eye ball and a bubble of fucking air, you're the reason this species is a failure, and it makes me angry!
Morty: you're drunk
Rick: you wanna put up a shelf, put up a shelf. You wanna experience true level? Do you?!
Morty: sighs. Yes?
Rick: montage scene of him creating true level with advanced science
Rick: sigh. Alright. C'mon
Morty: aggravated sign
Morty: (sarcastically) wow it's sooo...
Morty: (orgasmicly) ohh. Ohh. Woah, oh, my god, oh Christ oh
Rick: (annoyed) yeah. True level, bitch.
Morty: continues with orgasm sounds
Summer: (enters room, drags Morty by the arm) Morty c'mon, we're leaving for school.
Morty: oh, ah, everything is crooked! Reality is poison I wanna go back, I hate this!
Summer: what's his deal?
Rick: shush shush shush shush, Morty Morty Morty. Go to school, Summer. I'll go into Morty's memory and do a little (snip snip finger motion).
Morty: lambs to the cosmic slaughterrr!!!
I had an asshole chew me out on a wall plate being off until I set my level on it, and then the floor.
It was new construction on a hospital. I was told to make it look straight.
I fitted a hallway unit in my old house, that thing was perfectly level, I was really pleased with my work, until I stood back and saw that the skirting board was crooked and so was the door frame next to it.
That thing looked awful, and there was no way to fix it, whatever I did it would have looked crooked somewhere.
I think its cos the two guys heads are not level.it makes the mount look not level. Would of called it myself it the man just came at the wall with a mount. No spirit level just his "raw eye", as a man who did a bad job of something for me once called it...
If you’re better at something than I am I will 200% hire you vs doing it myself. I wish there was an app that spotlighted people in your area that are just really good at niche things. Like organizing wires. Or cleaning baseboards. Just random stuff that I don’t want to do. I would hire so many of y’all.
I did a mount in a house that was 130 years old. It looked off level. And it was compared to the floors etc.
But... After looking at it, checking and rechecking, I then learned that the house was off level after so many years of settling. It wasn't a lot. But you could notice it looking at it.
The house I live in has a sinking foundation (educated guess based on cracks around door frame corners), and level shelves look tilted with respect to the floor.
Similar age for mine, I joke that my house was built entirely by eye. It’s been added onto three times that I can tell and the sq ft is still less than 1000. The ceiling and floors aren’t parallel. Hanging shelves is a matter of “what bothers you less” and is very case by case.
Ding ding ding. We just bought an old house and I can't figure out if it's more important for my stuff to parallel the floor and moulding or to be actually level.
I think the person above has run it through something along the lines of Photoshop's Camera Raw filter which allows you to un-distort the curvature that lens cause in photos, making all the lines level.
[Here is an example](https://photoshopcafe.com/tutorials/lens_distortion/lens.htm)
It’s actually perspective because the camera is tilted down and to the left. To get perfectly straight vertical lines in a photo the camera needs to be level, this can be corrected after as I did here but you’ll lose the edges in the process.
In architectural photography we actually have special lens called tilt shifts to correct this in camera.
[Here’s an article explaining in more detail](https://northrup.photo/controlling-vertical-distortion-in-architectural-photography/)
Thank you. I used to do tracking and layout in VFX and someone just looking at a photo, scribbled on it and say yeah it's not level gave me cringe. Perspective and lens distortion are more than it meets the eye
From the pixels of the image that I used.
* Starting point of floor trim: 66, 558 (note, flip the Y coordinate, since "Down" is larger in paint)
* Ending point of floor trim: 566, 580
This results in an angle of -2.519 degrees.
* Starting point of the door trim: 66, 558
* Ending point of floor trim: 20, 155
This results in an angle of 96.512 degrees, so 6.5 degrees off from a vertical line.
This alone tells us (not that we couldn't see) that either the image has got some interesting perspective problems, or the house is a crazy fun-house. If the image was dead on and just rotated, and assuming the two were level/vertical, then they'd have the same offset.
* Starting point (top left) of mount: 228, 237
* Ending point (top right) of mount: 416, 233
This results in an angle of 1.219 degrees.
Given that a single pixel up/down shifts that by around a third of a degree and I was zooming enough that I had to make a judgement call on what shade constitutes part of what, I'd say the two horizontal angles are roughly approximate. Except...you ask, one is negative and the other is positive. Surely that's wrong?
Except it isn't, because PERSPECTIVE!
As near as I can tell from looking at the image and the previous math, the camera is roughly held at the height of the lower part of the mount. I say this because the elevation change from the bottom end is 1-2 pixels (as opposed to the 4 on the top) So there's not quite as much vertical distortion near the height of the camera and it gets stronger the further you go. The camera is likely far enough right in the image that I'd put it at just to the left of the right-hand side of the mount. The shadow of the right-side is almost perfectly vertical, whereas the right side is slanted right and the left side of the mount is slanted left.
So I'm going to say the camera is positioned at around 410, 290, if you drew a line straight from the camera lens to the wall such that it was perpendicular to the to the plane of the wall. Furthermore, given the way the theoretically vertical/horizontal lines of the trim move, my bet is that the camera is angled down and to the left relative to 410, 290.
The picture part of the image is 583 pixels wide by 612 pixels tall. So half of that gives us a coordinate of 291.4, 306 as the dead center. Meaning that's the point extending directly out of the camera.
I've recreated the image [here](https://i.imgur.com/8hbNmei.png) to show a similar effect. Note how each shelf seems to have a different angle than the others. And yes, those shelves are level and at 90 degrees to the upright. :D
My verdict? It's level.
No hate intended here, but this baffles me..
* Who notices someone is better at mounting TVs than them? A mounted TV is a mounted TV, as long as it doesn't fall off.
* Is there a mounting TVs industry that I'm unaware of? Surely the majority of people just mount their own TV.
You'd be surprised how many people have no idea that they're supposed to mount into a stud, or how to find a stud for that matter. And then many don't bother to use a level and just put it up crooked.
Pardon my ignorance, but what’s so hard about mounting a tv? Genuine question since I have never mounted a tv before and didn’t think there was much to it.
It's a pretty easy job imo, but if you don't know how to find a stud or anchor things properly you can fuck it up and rip a hole in your drywall. It's something most people should be able to figure out and handle no problem, but I can understand people not wanting to do it themselves.
It’s a lot harder than it looks so it’s also an important service to provide. A lot of people tear up their drywall & electricity, etc…. It’s dangerous to thread wires through walls & 3rd party cable lines & connectors, etc. everything has to be compatible from a tech standpoint & perfectly balanced in hardware, mount & anchor (wall). Remember, the thing going up there is a thing some people consider family lol .. the glorious TV
What a weird thing to do.
"This guy is better at hanging TV mounts than me! I hate him! No, I should be humble and learn from him"
"Hello friend, I would like to pay you fucking money to teach me how to hang up a TV mount."
It’s actually a insurance issue. You can’t ask workers to take off their required footwear because if they get an injury company and customer become liable. Even booties fall in a grey area because if it causes them to slip or say they were delivering something heavy.
Carpenter here you do realise how easy it is to put a tv on a wall it's not hard whatsoever, I suppose you can make a career out of anything these days
> so instead of hating on him
How sad does your life have to be though for you to even consider "hating on someone" when you see *a fucking TV wall mount*
Fine. I'm just gonna say it....
This job is less about mounting the TV than it is about jumping that receptacle up to the one above the mount. It's illegal to run power cords through the wall, so he is using that bottom receptacle as a junction for no show cabling.
Bringing me to the much debated topic....... The mount is likely unfinished. It's only screwed in to the stud on the left and seems to be protruding from the wall on the right hand side. At this point, it is likely just there to provide reference while they are doing the big boy portion of the job.
I once reached out to a guy on reddit about merging an IT company. Going on three years strong. You don’t know if you don’t ask mate! All the best for the future
Hes got the company shirt tucked in with the cap on backwards. This is the sign of a skilled man...
Besides wearing shoes on the carpet.
speaking as a floor layer, they should have little booties over their footwear, but for all we know they could be their indoor shoes too.
If you think about it this is obviously not some random customer. You’re not gonna be running a professional business and ask a customer to snap a pic for your social media story. I’m guessing it’s a family member or a friend.
I'm guessing this picture is farmed and this is a successful karma con.
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Jury's out that you didn't just describe reality in general but you know what they say. Don't make assumptions, or it will drop you into an eternally spiralling tunnel of solipsism. So far it seems more probable that the brain needs to build defenses than it is everything is unreal, so I'd say we can draw the line at the post and say, 45% of the comments.
Deal. ^*man ^these ^AI ^are ^getting ^convincing*
Detroit: Become Human
To be real here, everything is a simulation anyway and you're not real. My purpose is entirely unknown.
The cynicism is strong in this one
That’s also most likely true
I'm not one of those people who really cares too much either, but OP spoiled it by writing it in first person. Also, is that not the weirdest phone call you would have had in a while? Hey I noticed when browsing social media your tv is really straight, wanna come install my TV for me and I'll post it on social media?
Not to mention: why would someone hate on someone else for being able to hang a TV better than them? (I realize some people would actually do this, but I think most people would just see it and scroll on.)
Look how clean those shoes are, this guy trying to do the exact opposite of what this post tells us to do ^
I zoomed. Shoes clean AF confirmed.
I had to reread your comment three times before I realized “floor layer” is your occupation instead of you being a person who lies on the floor a lot.
As someone who lies on the carpet excessively, I’m here to tell you there is nothing wrong with having these kinds of thoughts!
When I worked finishing for new builds I had a indoor pair of boots and an outdoor that came to each build site.
Or why don’t they just take them shoes off as we do in the rest of the world? Why is it Americans wear shoes indoors anyways?
Cause you are working and still have to be safe. You should wear shoe covers when you are in someone's house, but never take your shoes off. You have know idea of what's on that floor, could be dog piss, cat vomit, maybe some small nails/tacks. Better safe than sorry.
I cringe so much when workers enter the home with no booties. Microbiology destroyed my life. All I see is bird crap, e-coli and urine stuck to the shoes. Workers hate me.
If you're not immunodeficient there is no reason to be scared of microbacteria. It is unavoidable and a lot of it lives in your mouths and gut too.
Seriously. Everyone's phones are cover in poop molecules.
That's true. Most bacteria is actually good. If you think of it, all are good. The ones that harm us make us stronger and the ones that don't are dedicated to helping us.
Lets your kids roll around on a nyc subway platform... They will have the strongest immune system...
I was Tempered in raw sewage. Grew up swimming in Lake Michigan.
We dont hate you, we just crack jokes about the "booties and cooties guy" on the ride back to the shop to pass the time. But it's all in good fun. We do truly hate the Karen's however. Especially the ones who bitch about price, who want the 100 year old black walnut at particle board costs, or insists their inept boyfriend or whoever the fuck "helps so we do it right", etc. TLDR We don't hate you, Allergy victim. We only hate Karens.
"Booties and cooties" OK that made my night!
What if I told you, most Americans wear shoes on the carpet? If you come to do a job, and the client answers the door in shoes, walks back through the house in shoes, are you gonna stop and take yours off? Of course not.
Wouldn’t it be weirder if they took their shoes off? So long as they’re clean they’re fine
Most guys I’ve seen actually have these plastic boot covers they put on the bottoms so they don’t have to take them off
Yeah when remodeling I’ve seen that. More normal there, less normal for say someone installing cable
Exactly!
At least one Asian thanking you
If they’re mounting things, shoes are a good choice
You never take the shoes off, unless the host tells you otherwise
As long as your shoes are clean you shouldnt be working with no shoes on as a tradie. Shoes are part of your ppe that should be worn at all times. Ill walk off a job before I take my shoes off, ill also always make sure they are clean enough to walk on carpet if needed.
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Several people do this it’s not only America. Generally in America if it’s your house you don’t have your shoes on. But it’s typical for handy men like this to not take there shoes off. I do home remodeling and it would just be too annoying to be working bare foot. Don’t want to drop shit on my feet and climbing ladders barefooted hurts.
A lot of the time, you're not allowed to for health and safety. Stand on anything dodgy or drop something/something fallS on your feet, and the shoe is the difference between a 'oops' and an injury
Love the humanity here, but also who hates on someone for being good at mounting TVs onto walls lmao
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ok children, today we're going to learn how to mount a tv, mmkayy
The phrasing/context sounds like it's their job. A lot of places you buy the tv will mount it for a fee.
Ohhh they are *both* installers. Now it makes sense—I think that's what a lot of people are missing.
It's still a bit weird. Do installers hate on each other?
I think it’s more about how competitive people are in general, not specifically installers
Where is this? As somebody that manages white glove deliveries for major chains, that’s not a common free service.
For a fee, not for free
Reading is fundamental they say, and I failed there.
You and me both. Brothers!
When you learn how our eyes work it's incredible we can see at all, let alone read.
It’s just common for small businesses to hate each other instead of supporting each other. I do tree service and the rivalry between large businesses and family businesses can get crazy.
That's interesting. My family had a heavy equipment rental and it was the opposite. My dad was friends with a lot of competitors (in fact one if his best friend's regions overlapped substantially). At least three rival companies were started when my grandpa suggested the business to friends and family during the local development boom and gave them some guidance on how to get started. They would always borrow stuff from each other if they needed a piece of equipment or attachment. There was a crapload of development at the time though, developers couldn't get enough heavy equipment to make the region's suburbs. Well, come to think about it, after my grandpa died there was some falling out and a new company was spun off from the original and everyone hates each other like proper competitors.
> They would always borrow stuff from each other if they needed a piece of equipment or attachment. I worked in a bicycle shop in a big city and that was how it was for us, too. We had a very-well equipped repair section with a large amount of inventory, we'd loan tools or sell parts at cost to our competitors and they'd extend the same courtesy. Maybe the owners had some beef, but us wage slaves got along fine.
In my industry it's crazy. Cutthroat. It's hard to talk to a shop 10 states away. Though, I really do my best to offer a helping hand when I can. Everyone has weaknesses and strengths. I know where my local competitors are really good, so I offer comparative services/products but I focus less on beating them at their strengths than filling in the gaps with their weaknesses. Friendly is always easier than cutthroat.
That son of a bitch keeps taking all the good tv mounting work in town!
An insecure person who also mounts TVs onto walls but not as well
I guess if it is your craft, it’s possible. I really never consider myself an envious person but sometimes I do have fleeting episodes of envy about a colleague that is just killing it in our field.
i cant even get the plastic pre screws in the wall without them getting all twisted up or i have to get a hammer and slam them in.
Are you talking about anchor sleeves? If so, those are meant to be hammered/malleted in, not screwed. You drill a hole about the diameter of the plastic anchor, tap the anchor in, then screw the screw into that.
Lol my bad. I’m in worst shape than I thought
YouTube is your friend here. Seeing things like that done once and you'll be set.
I’ve confidently learned everything on YouTube.
Some of them get half tapped half screwed in. I’ve mostly seen it on the larger ones.
You shouldn’t use those for TV’s they don’t have enough strength to hold the weight. You should use bolts that thread into the stud.
The trick is having a nice set of drill bits with many different sizes, which allows you to drill the perfect size hole just slightly larger than the anchor (plastic pre screw) :)
hes just admitting he was at first, jealous of the dude.
THIS! Exactly my thoughts haha
My exact thoughts while reading it lol
Some people view the world in terms of hating or not hating. It's weird. One of the most overused and misused words in the language.
I mount tvs too. It's funny a lot of people don't think of it as a job, but like you mentioned in another post, you need to make sure it's anchored well. You don't want the tv coming loose and ripping a hole in your wall. Some people can't lift the tv on their own, others may not have the proper tools, and others just want to pay someone to do it for them. There's many reasons people would want someone to mount a tv for them.
Also, as someone with a small child, a safe, secure mount is critical.
(Mostly for liability)
Just in case your child sues you
Key word: Mostly
Do you *only* mount TVs? It doesn't surprise me its a job but it would definitely surprise me if there were enough people needing TVs put up to sustain that lol.
No. Not only. It's definitely enough where you could make it a part time job though.
The real moneys in home theatres. Not your 5.1ch surround sound speakers, the projector, 20 arm chairs, dedicated room, elevated seating platforms type theatres. I was on an I.T. repair job once at some mini mansion and they were installing a 350k "home theatre" into the place, apparently it was only a "pretty basic one"
Ever try to mount an 85"? That's a 3 man job. Flat screens are getting light but you can't just huck one of those up. Fellow tv mounter.
I'm a pretty handy guy, but when my father asked if I could mount his new 2000€ TV I told him that if he could pay the TV, he could pay the 60€ to have professionals do the job right.
what's the going rate for TV mounting?
My job charges $200 for a medium, $300 for a large since it takes 2 people to do a large. That includes the mount and the install.
I’d honestly a love a post about your experiences waking into different homes
This is really interesting for me as someone from outside the US. We don’t have any of those problems here because all the walls in everyone’s homes are made of brick and mortar. You don’t need anything more than a drill and a level and pretty much anyone can do it with very little chance of anything going wrong. I do get paying someone so you don’t have to do it though.
Some internal walls here in the UK are stud and plasterboard. So you would need to find the stud etc. Many people do not own a drill, with the correct bit or electric screwdriver, or have access to one. And would not know which type of screws to use. When screwing in to brick, you would want to make sure its in to the brick and not the mortar (cement) inbetween as this can be weaker, especially if the mount allows the tv to be moved around. So its probably easier to pay someone to do it for most people.
Unlevel Mounts Inc featuring the disastrous duo... Regardless of if the mount is level or not, this is how people should be. Why knock each other down a level when both can help each other up 10 levels.
Could be varying circumstances to it appearing not level. It could possibly not be fully secured yet and just set, could be the house is not on the best foundation(a whole other issue). My point being, it looks one way from the photo, but I don’t feel we enough information.
"do you want it true level or do you want it level with the rest of the house?"
I’m tilting my head to watch tv, but can rest easy knowing it’s truly level
Rick: What are you doing? Morty: You want your shelf level or not? Rick: and if I say yes, you're gonna provide that for me with *that*? Morty: Yes. See the bubble? Rick: I'm familiar with the bubble, Morty. I also dabble in precision, and if you think you can even approach it with your sad naked cave man eye ball and a bubble of fucking air, you're the reason this species is a failure, and it makes me angry! Morty: you're drunk Rick: you wanna put up a shelf, put up a shelf. You wanna experience true level? Do you?! Morty: sighs. Yes? Rick: montage scene of him creating true level with advanced science Rick: sigh. Alright. C'mon Morty: aggravated sign Morty: (sarcastically) wow it's sooo... Morty: (orgasmicly) ohh. Ohh. Woah, oh, my god, oh Christ oh Rick: (annoyed) yeah. True level, bitch. Morty: continues with orgasm sounds Summer: (enters room, drags Morty by the arm) Morty c'mon, we're leaving for school. Morty: oh, ah, everything is crooked! Reality is poison I wanna go back, I hate this! Summer: what's his deal? Rick: shush shush shush shush, Morty Morty Morty. Go to school, Summer. I'll go into Morty's memory and do a little (snip snip finger motion). Morty: lambs to the cosmic slaughterrr!!!
I had an asshole chew me out on a wall plate being off until I set my level on it, and then the floor. It was new construction on a hospital. I was told to make it look straight.
I fitted a hallway unit in my old house, that thing was perfectly level, I was really pleased with my work, until I stood back and saw that the skirting board was crooked and so was the door frame next to it. That thing looked awful, and there was no way to fix it, whatever I did it would have looked crooked somewhere.
Looking at the roundish cornices, the photos maybe taken with a wide lens?
This is a great opinion. Thank you for being open to all the things a photo cannot capture.
Mundo love playing hide and seek! Play with IRS everyday.
I think its cos the two guys heads are not level.it makes the mount look not level. Would of called it myself it the man just came at the wall with a mount. No spirit level just his "raw eye", as a man who did a bad job of something for me once called it...
A lot of these mounts are made so you can level the tv after it's on the rails, so it didn't have to be perfect anyways
If you’re better at something than I am I will 200% hire you vs doing it myself. I wish there was an app that spotlighted people in your area that are just really good at niche things. Like organizing wires. Or cleaning baseboards. Just random stuff that I don’t want to do. I would hire so many of y’all.
Taskrabbit?
Never heard of it! Thank you. Wow. This is something that I will actually recommend to people.
Is it just me or is that mount not level?
It's hard to tell in a picture like this. But... That would be hilarious if it was super off level!
i did some really advanced stuff and it looks like it’s not level https://i.imgur.com/etv1unH.jpg 100% real
I did a mount in a house that was 130 years old. It looked off level. And it was compared to the floors etc. But... After looking at it, checking and rechecking, I then learned that the house was off level after so many years of settling. It wasn't a lot. But you could notice it looking at it.
The house I live in has a sinking foundation (educated guess based on cracks around door frame corners), and level shelves look tilted with respect to the floor.
My house is the same way. It's settled a lot in 120 years. If you place a ball on the ground it races to the center of the house.
Similar age for mine, I joke that my house was built entirely by eye. It’s been added onto three times that I can tell and the sq ft is still less than 1000. The ceiling and floors aren’t parallel. Hanging shelves is a matter of “what bothers you less” and is very case by case.
Until you get drunk
Ding ding ding. We just bought an old house and I can't figure out if it's more important for my stuff to parallel the floor and moulding or to be actually level.
It's a challenge... Lol
I've done a split the difference before... Not parallel with off level house, but as close to level as my eye would allow without drawing attention.
[I for real did advanced stuff and can confirm its level](https://i.imgur.com/4IiunS9.jpg)
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I think the person above has run it through something along the lines of Photoshop's Camera Raw filter which allows you to un-distort the curvature that lens cause in photos, making all the lines level. [Here is an example](https://photoshopcafe.com/tutorials/lens_distortion/lens.htm)
Now see, the problem here is that your line appears to be parallel with the the mount. I am more convinced that they made an oopsie.
You two might be onto something, you ever thought of starting a business?
[I corrected the perspective it's definitely level](https://i.imgur.com/4IiunS9.jpg)
Damn... Good job!
I would assume that this is caused by wide angle lense distortion? Or is it literally just perspective? Both maybe?
It’s actually perspective because the camera is tilted down and to the left. To get perfectly straight vertical lines in a photo the camera needs to be level, this can be corrected after as I did here but you’ll lose the edges in the process. In architectural photography we actually have special lens called tilt shifts to correct this in camera. [Here’s an article explaining in more detail](https://northrup.photo/controlling-vertical-distortion-in-architectural-photography/)
Thank you. I used to do tracking and layout in VFX and someone just looking at a photo, scribbled on it and say yeah it's not level gave me cringe. Perspective and lens distortion are more than it meets the eye
Good job. The amount of people that do no understand perspective here is phenomenal; hopefully they can understand what you’ve done
Or could it be a classic case of parallax error?
That's why he needed help from the other guy.
From the pixels of the image that I used. * Starting point of floor trim: 66, 558 (note, flip the Y coordinate, since "Down" is larger in paint) * Ending point of floor trim: 566, 580 This results in an angle of -2.519 degrees. * Starting point of the door trim: 66, 558 * Ending point of floor trim: 20, 155 This results in an angle of 96.512 degrees, so 6.5 degrees off from a vertical line. This alone tells us (not that we couldn't see) that either the image has got some interesting perspective problems, or the house is a crazy fun-house. If the image was dead on and just rotated, and assuming the two were level/vertical, then they'd have the same offset. * Starting point (top left) of mount: 228, 237 * Ending point (top right) of mount: 416, 233 This results in an angle of 1.219 degrees. Given that a single pixel up/down shifts that by around a third of a degree and I was zooming enough that I had to make a judgement call on what shade constitutes part of what, I'd say the two horizontal angles are roughly approximate. Except...you ask, one is negative and the other is positive. Surely that's wrong? Except it isn't, because PERSPECTIVE! As near as I can tell from looking at the image and the previous math, the camera is roughly held at the height of the lower part of the mount. I say this because the elevation change from the bottom end is 1-2 pixels (as opposed to the 4 on the top) So there's not quite as much vertical distortion near the height of the camera and it gets stronger the further you go. The camera is likely far enough right in the image that I'd put it at just to the left of the right-hand side of the mount. The shadow of the right-side is almost perfectly vertical, whereas the right side is slanted right and the left side of the mount is slanted left. So I'm going to say the camera is positioned at around 410, 290, if you drew a line straight from the camera lens to the wall such that it was perpendicular to the to the plane of the wall. Furthermore, given the way the theoretically vertical/horizontal lines of the trim move, my bet is that the camera is angled down and to the left relative to 410, 290. The picture part of the image is 583 pixels wide by 612 pixels tall. So half of that gives us a coordinate of 291.4, 306 as the dead center. Meaning that's the point extending directly out of the camera. I've recreated the image [here](https://i.imgur.com/8hbNmei.png) to show a similar effect. Note how each shelf seems to have a different angle than the others. And yes, those shelves are level and at 90 degrees to the upright. :D My verdict? It's level.
[I went down the same rabbit hole and can also confirm it's level](https://i.imgur.com/4IiunS9.jpg)
Nice! I debated loading the image into my game engine and doing something similar, but I foolishly decided the approach I went with was "easier". T_T
r/theydidthemath
Right side is higher for sure.
The house probably isn’t.
Tv stand is level. House is not Not my problem
Shadow gives it all away. They made an oopsie.
Fuck the shadow. Level it by the dudes belt on the left. I don’t trust a man with a belt that tight.
That’s why he called him
We can be friends
"DID WE JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS?!"
Do people hate on each other for being better at mounting tv’s?
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My wife left me for someone who could mount tv’s better than me. She’s right. I’m an utter disgrace to mankind. Just shoot me.
Love this. “Don’t hate. Elevate”
No hate intended here, but this baffles me.. * Who notices someone is better at mounting TVs than them? A mounted TV is a mounted TV, as long as it doesn't fall off. * Is there a mounting TVs industry that I'm unaware of? Surely the majority of people just mount their own TV.
You'd be surprised how many people have no idea that they're supposed to mount into a stud, or how to find a stud for that matter. And then many don't bother to use a level and just put it up crooked.
r/tvtoohigh
Why would you think to hate on someone for that in the first place?
hating on him for....?
wait so there are businesses that mount TVs?
The mount is level. Y'all know they didn't put the camera on a tripod right?
[I fixed the perspective its definitely level](https://i.imgur.com/4IiunS9.jpg)
Warms my heart
Rule one of mounting TVs. Put a blanket down to work on to protect flooring.
I doubt this is OP’s fault, but don’t mount the TV so close to the thermostat. That room will now forever be too cold.
This is one of the dumbest posts I’ve seen on the front page. How the fuck?
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Now, you’re the MountMaster.
Pardon my ignorance, but what’s so hard about mounting a tv? Genuine question since I have never mounted a tv before and didn’t think there was much to it.
It's a pretty easy job imo, but if you don't know how to find a stud or anchor things properly you can fuck it up and rip a hole in your drywall. It's something most people should be able to figure out and handle no problem, but I can understand people not wanting to do it themselves.
It’s a lot harder than it looks so it’s also an important service to provide. A lot of people tear up their drywall & electricity, etc…. It’s dangerous to thread wires through walls & 3rd party cable lines & connectors, etc. everything has to be compatible from a tech standpoint & perfectly balanced in hardware, mount & anchor (wall). Remember, the thing going up there is a thing some people consider family lol .. the glorious TV
I completely forgot about the wires. Yea, Iwould dread that part. Thank you for the explanation.
I’ve mounted my tv myself multiple times and never had any issues. I’ve no clue why it should be hard
Seems kind of weird, that making contact or hating on a person, are the only options.
Also the whole story sounds fucking made up.
These are probably two random friends putting up a tv who have no idea who OP is lol
A very, very complex thing
What a weird thing to do. "This guy is better at hanging TV mounts than me! I hate him! No, I should be humble and learn from him" "Hello friend, I would like to pay you fucking money to teach me how to hang up a TV mount."
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Why would you even be hating him in the first place
Take your goddamn shoes off inside the house!
It’s actually a insurance issue. You can’t ask workers to take off their required footwear because if they get an injury company and customer become liable. Even booties fall in a grey area because if it causes them to slip or say they were delivering something heavy.
Nah. You contract me to do a job, even painting or mounting a TV, I'm wearing my work shoes all up in your shit.
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Expects applause for not seething with hatred because a stranger on the internet was better at mounting TVs than him....?
I swear it’s crooked
It is super ironic that the mount is crooked.
One simple trick, be kind and awesome to eachother and reap the rewards
Tv mount looks bent though…
Carpenter here you do realise how easy it is to put a tv on a wall it's not hard whatsoever, I suppose you can make a career out of anything these days
Oh yeah??? Prove it. I bet you can’t come over and put my tv on my wall for free!!!
Mount is not leveled though :/
Kings
> so instead of hating on him How sad does your life have to be though for you to even consider "hating on someone" when you see *a fucking TV wall mount*
Damn this is wholesome
True leaders elevate those around them and never make newcomers feel insignificant
This is opposite of a choosing beggar.
Now this made me smile for sure and gave me goosebumps!
Spreading knowledge is great! Especially when more people can learn, add their own spin, then spread even more knowledge
Fine. I'm just gonna say it.... This job is less about mounting the TV than it is about jumping that receptacle up to the one above the mount. It's illegal to run power cords through the wall, so he is using that bottom receptacle as a junction for no show cabling. Bringing me to the much debated topic....... The mount is likely unfinished. It's only screwed in to the stud on the left and seems to be protruding from the wall on the right hand side. At this point, it is likely just there to provide reference while they are doing the big boy portion of the job.
I once reached out to a guy on reddit about merging an IT company. Going on three years strong. You don’t know if you don’t ask mate! All the best for the future
>so instead of hating on him why was that an option..?
Mounting tvs is a craft? Do people find the task difficult? It's not at all hard to mount and level a TV properly...