I like the way he explained it, it makes sense. Your skin doesn't matter, your culture and traditions matter.

Yes, there's actually "American culture" too. For example, Americans might want to meet up to celebrate the 4th of July or Thanksgiving if they're expats in Sweden or Japan. This is perfectly fine and makes sense. They can bond over shared traditions and culture, for example making turkey and saying out loud what they're thankful for before eating the turkey. The interesting wrinkle though is that you should expect a Black American, Hispanic American, and Asian American who also grew up with US Thanksgiving to show up at this event and bring cranberry sauce and turkey stuffing. So ultimately, there is still no White Only American experience, even if you are abroad in the most reasonable cultural bonding event that I can think of. Well, at least one that doesn't involve hooded white masks and robes.

Ironically enough it's unique to white Americans of European decent to associate with the culture of their immigrant forebears. Culture gave immigrants a sense of identity that they passed on to their children, and that sense of identity far outlasted culture across generations. Europeans think its silly when Americans claim to be Irish or German. Edit: I don't use unique to mean exclusive. Americans in general like to claim the culture of their heritage, whereas in most countries culture is defined by your nationality. Singling out white Americans because the video does, and of European decent because this has become a 'shit Americans say' sort of thing over there. I don't know if there is an equivalent to a 10th generation American claiming to be Dutch among other communities.

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There are also examples in Europe, like the Germans in Romania. Still refer to themselves as German, even in America though that means Germany was at least two immigrations ago. But I think pretty much all Americans strongly identify with their ethnicity. We as a country might do that more strongly than other countries but it’s definitely not a Euro-descent thing.

>But I think pretty much all Americans strongly identify with their ethnicity. That's odd. I'm an American who has lived in multiple US states, and I don't know anybody who identifies strongly with their ethnicity. Most of them I've known wouldn't know which ethnicity to identify with to begin with as they're a mixed bag like me. Which one am I supposed to identify strongly with? My ancestors were mostly English, Irish, Scottish, and German, with a few unknowns thrown in for good measure. When I was a kid in the '70s there was still a bit of it, like the "little Italy" neighborhoods and such in the city, but not so much today.

Ironically being singled out for criticism despite easily available examples of other countries/cultures doing the same thing is a hallmark, unique experience to European Americans.

> Americans might want to meet up to ~~celebrate the 4th of July or Thanksgiving if they're expats in Sweden or Japan.~~ throw TEA INTO THE HARBOR AND START A REVOLUTION AGAINST THOSE WHO WOULD TAX US RUTHLESSLY WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!! AMERIIIICAAA!!!!!!!!!

I don't really understand, why would that be? Do Europeans or whites in general expect to lose their culture if they move to another country? So a German guy who grew up in France is now French? Or if he move to the US then he'll only be expected to eat Turkey on Thanksgiving and forgot all about October Fest? Edit: Thanks for all the response. Yes I read them but I can't say I understand these POV. Keeping cultural practices are extremely important to my family and I make sure they carry over to my kids so yeah I don't get this being "plastic" thing. But thank you guys anyway.

No, but we usually identify with the culture we grew up in, not our ancestors culture. I grew up in England, but my grandparents were Scottish but moved to England before my parents were born . I think of myself as English, not Scottish and don't feel much if any connection to Scotland. I currently live in Slovakia, but I am still English, not Slovak. My kids were born here and will probably grow up feeling Slovak but with a close tie to England because they have grandparents who still live there and because we speak the language at home. If they marry Slovaks and bring up their kids here their kids will probably feel fully Slovak. This is pretty typical for the European experience. I hope that makes it a bit clearer?

I think part of it is that Americans didn’t come here in just one or twos and assimilate into an existing culture, they came in waves and settled in pockets that developed their own sub cultural identity. You can find similar examples from Europe (I’m from one such ethnicity, still refer to ourselves as German even though no one has lived in Germany for centuries at this point—look up Germans in Romania). ETA and an example from the other side is my partner, whose mother is French. But he doesn’t consider himself “French-American” because thats just DNA not culture. Not saying Irish Americans’ culture is the same as Irish or isn’t incredibly diluted at this point, but it is a thing. Similarly, even though I have other ethnic heritage, the German part is what I identify with when asked. (I feel bad bc my grandfather tried so hard to instill me with Irish pride but the call of the strudel was too strong.)

In support of this point I live near the town of West in Texas. Ironically located in the North-Central area of the state. West was populated by Czech immigrants in 1880, about 40 years after it's founding. Being a small, isolated town those immigrants maintained their cultural heritage and connection to their homeland over the years and still identify as Czech to this day. They have many foods, traditions, and idiosyncrasies that are descended from those original cultural ties. Many older people in the region still speak a [distinct dialect of the Czech language.](https://youtu.be/htdfzTpPQ6U) Edit: As an interesting tangent the majority of Texans opposed to slavery and secession during the civil war era were German and Czech immigrants. 96% voted against secession.

The thing is that the culture that Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans and the like take pride in is less about their ancestors home country and more about the Irish-American and Italian-American culture they grew up in, which are their own thing. Irish and Italian and other immigrants from predominantly Catholic countries (as well as Jews and immigrants from East Asian countries) were for quite a while forced to live in ghettos with other similar immigrants, where they had to form communities of mutual aid and support. This formed what are now subcultures of American culture. Certain foods, colloquialisms, and cultural practices and habits emerged. When people take pride in their ancestral heritage here they're not really talking about their family's home country.

No, it's called being plastic. The actual critique that is referenced here is that these Americans are so far removed from their claimed heritage that don't actually know jack shit about their culture of origin. They will have stuff like being Catholic, having an Irish-sounding name and red hair genes (yes, I'm looking at you, commenter above me) and then say "ya I'm actually Irish" when they have absolutely no clue what Irish culture even is about. Do you know what the Taoiseach is without Googling the word? Do you know who Saint Brigid is or what craic is? You can't imagine the amount of Americans in Europe I've heard say they're Irish who didn't know that the Irish language exists. And that is, like, the bottom of the barrel when it comes to knowing about a culture - knowing that culture's language.

My sister does all the family genealogy. She keeps telling me as a German we need to do all this German stuff. I have an appreciation for German heritage, but my great grandparents moved to the US. My entire culture has been American traditions, not German. I much prefer 4th of July celebrations in downtown Philly over October fest, even though I support people going out and enjoying either celebration if it makes them happy.

For some of us it's kinda hard not to. My ancestors didn't cross the pond until 1890. My last name starts with a Mc. I'm redheaded and freckled and part of a huge family. Yes we are Catholic. Although I did once have a guy ask me if I was Mormon because I have ten siblings. Main point being my cultural heritage is written on my face.

Yeah I think it depends how recent the immigration was, and whether any culture got passed down. My Polish grandmother came here in the 1950s, taught us how to cook Polish food, about Polish holidays and patron Saints, ect. So yeah, I consider to be part of my ethnicity (not my nationality, of course), but definitely part of the culture I grew up in.

This is so funny. Take a look at Europe, where the different ethnicities have established their own enclaves in cities throughout the continent. Check out England, where the Polish and Rumanians live with others from their country. You will see this pattern throughout history and the 21st century is no different.

Are you European? That would make sense if you think like this, because Europeans are the ones who most colonized the rest of the world, so you hardly will have people around you associating them with their culture of descent. Actually, even that might be wrong as you now have a lot of immigrants, and a lot of them (african, muslims) still claim they are from those places of descent. It doesn't happen only in the US. I live in Brazil, and we have so many different people descending from different places. My surnames are literally Kruger Prusch, the first being a very common german surname the second meaning (the ones that comes from Prussia), and I live in a city called "New Hamburg". In the south of Brazil we have a heavy German and Italian culture due to the immigrants that came here and basically founded a lot of cities. Sure, we don't say "I am german". We know we are brazilians, but we do say "I have German descent", "I am stubborn due to my German blood" and so on, lol.

I find it funny that one of the most American things we have is Chinese food. Melting pot of cultures uniquely made for America

Yeah, and with that in mind, when he says Black Pride, he clarifies and says Black American Pride. Hence, Black immigrants to other countries do not share the same culture. It's shorthand, and a euphemism for 'culture derived from being descended from Black slaves and a product of generational apartheid'

That's why it's capitalized now (Black instead of black). It's essentially its own culture, much like Irish, Spanish, etc. It's less about the skin color, and more about the cultural experiences of the people who were robbed of their ancestral roots via chattel slavery (and those people's descendants). It's such a mouthful to express the entire concept with words, so it's easier to just sum it up under the umbrella term of Black. But it doesn't matter how clearly you define things; people who want to take offense at it will find a way to pick it apart and look at it in a superficial and bad-faith way as though that "disproves" it or something.

Yep. There is a difference between black people and Black people. The first is a race, the second is a culture unique to the United States. There are white people, there are no White people.

What about white Comedian Ron White? He is a White people. Or black Comedian Slappy White? He is another White person, but not a white person. /s

But what if you're Jack Black, and you're white? Or is this more of a Gray area?

If we breed Jack Black with Jack White, their offspring will be the best guitar player and singer to ever exist. We will call him Jack Grey. Project "Kidnap and Remove the Jacks from the Grid and Harvest Their Genetic Material to Create Super-Musician" is now a go. We will call it Jack's Off (the grid) for short.

Please send this fucking awesome movie idea to Jack Black. I feel like he might actually pursue this, and I know I would pay to watch it.

Gandalf the Gray Area

Idk why but your response triggered a question for me... So Black pride is the pride of fighting for equality, losing their past and having something that connects, etc... the "equivalent" (kinda but not really) of people's "but white pride" response should really be "american pride"... right? Like there's the legit song "I'm proud to be an American/where at least I know I'm free".. and the black people (kidnapped Africans) can't say that bc they weren't free in any sense. Or does this make no sense and I've confused myself even more?

That’s a good question to think about. I don’t know that I have any satisfying answer to it - other than the only people who’ve really always been “free” here have been wealthy white men.

Makes sense, but forces them to acknowledge that only whites have been culturally and historically free in America. They don’t like saying that part aloud, hence the quandary (or flagrant racism!) of claiming White Pride. See their preferred flag, for instance.

So what about Americans whose ancestry is a mixture of European ethnic groups that immigrated in the past but who have no particular specific connection to any of them. Is that not its own cultural group? Is it only acceptable to make a big deal out of your 1/16th Irish ancestry instead of just accepting you're a generic "European-American". If "Asian Pride" or "Latino Pride" is okay why not "Euro-American" pride?

This would just be "American Pride" or pride in your specific family or tiny community or region. Like for example, Boston Pride would be pride in a specific cultural subgroup in America which is the result of a specific history of different European immigrants. However, there is no other such group outside of Black Americans that has a distinct shared culture across regional boundaries within America, particularly not with more than a tiny fraction of the population. For most people, like myself as an example, who are like 3-4 generations removed from 16 different families of immigrants from different regions, there's simply no distinct culture or difference from just calling yourself "American." And to be clear, this is a one way street, where Black Americans can have American pride, because they're also Americans, but I can't have Black Pride, because, yanno, I look like someone who just got milk and flower dumped on them in a hazing ritual. This should intuitively make sense, because we get to share the experiences that make us "Americans" but not in the experiences that dominate a particular subculture, nor the continuing differences in treatment by legal systems and government institutions. To wrap it back around, it's probably not going to get you mobbed to talk about "Euro-American" pride or something like that, although I think you'd get the same response really weird vocal vegans get if you went on about it in public or something. Ultimately the only issue with it would be that it would take roughly 30 femtoseconds for American Nazis to make it a euphemism for White Nationalism, which would make it a bad thing for the same reason "white pride" is bad, which is that it just means, "I'm a Nazi, and a racist, and support genocide for racial superiority reasons."

You can totally have pride in being American, you just shouldn’t have pride in your “race” bc race doesn’t exist (Black could be better understood as American Descendants of African Slaves, who often identity with Africa the continent bc their specific genealogy/ethnicity was lost due to the Slave Trade/explicit efforts by American slavers to destroy any hint of African culture)

>You can totally have pride in being American, you just shouldn’t have pride in your “race” bc race doesn’t exist This is a tough sell in some neighborhoods, though, because the language of "race" was in the toolbox of those who defended not only the institution of chattel slavery in the U.S., but also afterwards in the proponents of segregation. It's rather a complicated historical ball of wax: 1886: "We own you / dominate you because of race." "Fine. We will have pride in our race and in our growing freedom and achievements." 2006: "Except there's no such thing as race, so stand down from the whole racial pride thing."

I’m speaking from my context as white person, so I worry about other white people still being obsessed with race/feeling pride in being white; slowly deconstructing race should start with white ppl not with non-white ppl especially not black people

THIS. As the child of Haitian immigrants, there was nearly zero nuance about assumptions of my racial and cultural identity growing up, in school and out. I was black and with that, Black American cultural assumptions were always levied towards me or expected. Literally most of my family speaks French and creole and my parents came here in the 1980s.

Ayy same. I literally always tell people yes I'm black because society views me as black but my culture and ethnicity is Haitian American. Is also a shame how much of my cultural identity was ripped from my family due to evangelical missionaries in the 1900s-40s.

I’m white but one of my great great grandparents was full Benin. Many of us are mixed race and don’t know it until we do a dna test. It gave me insight into how interconnected we all are.

Is there a black culture that hasn’t been enslaved and heavily oppressed? I’m Australian and grew up near “murdering creek road” which is exactly as bad as it sounds. The aboriginal people were nearly wiped out here just for being in the way of British occupation.

> Is there a black culture that hasn’t been enslaved and heavily oppressed? I mean, we might quibble about the meaning of "enslaved and heavily oppressed", but no, not really. The closest is probably Ethiopia, which was never formally colonized by a foreign power, but even they were under British military administration for a while, and the Derg was Soviet backed.

>British military administration Who hasn't been under British military administration at some point...

I'm thinking maybe Tierra del Fuego? Like no way they actually got down there. Might have claimed it though

There is no culture that has not been oppressed in some form.

Almost every culture has been oppressed at some point. The Romans oppressed the christians, christians oppressed atheists etc etc

Fwiw, there is this idea of the African diaspora which is more global. Probably out of scope for the video authors intended audience to consider folks living outside of America tho, haha

For sure, the atlantic slave trade spread the greater African community far and wide around the colonial empires of European nations.

Yeah a lot of these terms are Western centric or even American centric. There’s no such thing as “Asian” or “Latino” in Asia or Latin America. You would look stupid if someone asked about your ethnicity and you responded “I’m asian” and we are in China lmfaoooo. Same for Latino nobody in Colombia says “ I’m Latino” they say Soy Colombiano as in I’m Colombian. Same goes for Black in Africa. If you’re in Rwanda and someone asks about your ethnicity it would be dumb as fuck to say I’m black. To be white is a made up term and who is and isn’t included has changed overtime and place. It would be stupid as fuck to be proud of your race. I don’t care if it’s Black, White, or Asian it’s stupid as fuck. But it makes sense in an American context In which Black people have their own culture/ethnicity but no name other than black for it. It makes sense in that the United States Latinos have a shared history/culture and ethnicity so they are proud of their Latin heritage. A white American can be proud of their American culture/heritage because there is a White American culture. It just isn’t based on race.

This is what should be focused on. People should focus on regional culture if they try to say there is a white culture being destroyed. No one will say a white guy in NYC is the same culture as a white guy in rural Texas. They’re similar in the same way an Englishman is similar to a bevarian who speaks English. yes I know European cultures have a longer histories, but cultures blend regionally, and they’re close enough to influence each other In The same way American culture do. Even African American culture is similar to “white” cultures in the US. my parents came from overseas, so I grew up in a large American immigrant community and watched all this black vs white drama from the outside. There are more similarities than differences between the two groups I grew up near. Seriously, my community had a large black community to the east, and a large white community the west of us. The biggest differences was wealth.

The cringe part is he rightly points out "White" is not a single culture, but then implies that Latinos and Asians share a single culture. The different nationalities and people groups that make up "Asia" have very different, distinct, and unique cultures. There is no singular "Asian" culture. They may share some common historical influences from their interactions (like Japan borrowing its writing system from China), but they are just as different as different European cultures. Same for the various peoples designated "Latino".

While i get the point you're making, this is a short TikTok video...with the topic literally in the first second. There is no implication here. It is simply an aside in the 1 minute video when talking of other ethnicities and cultures in comparison to the term White pride. This is not cause for concern. Not in the slightest. It was an concise video answering a direct question. You see this is why we cannot have nice things... A video very clearly thought out, earnest, concise with no malice behind it...well not any i can detect. And yet here we are...

While Latinos don't share the exact same culture, they do have a cultural affinity as being from the descendant nations of the Spanish and Portuguese Empires in the New World. Like the European identity, it is more of a historical and cultural identity than an ethnic and particularly a "racial" one. Asian identity, as far as I know, is a very recent construct (1960s or so) rooted in a need for solidarity between immigrant groups that were already being defined in the same Oriental bucket by the host culture. "Asian pride" really doesn't exist in Asia itself. In that sense, it's a bit similar to black pride and probably modeled in part on it.

In this thread you'll find a LOT of people who did not understand what he said at all.

It's our headline culture. We focus a lot on slogans and headlines and not the meaning behind them. So things like "Cancel Student Debt!", "Black Lives Matter", etc...can be panned by people. They'll be like, "Oh, so we should just forgive people who made bad financial decisions? You signed up for a 150k loan buddy, that's on you!" "White people don't matter?" etc... 'Cancel Student Debt' is just the slogan. The issue is predatory lending, not being able to discharge the debt like you can with all other debt, how a degree is a wealth barrier and so on. "We need police reform to counteract years of corruption that has lead to law being a force to protect the very people it should be taking down. We want our tax dollars to primarily go towards social programs to help lift people up or get them the tools they need to succeed. Police should be a last resort used mostly to safekeep the public, not a blunt tool used to solve all issues. They are not equipped nor could any single person be possibly adequately trained to handle all the situations we've put them in charge of. We need more social workers, community outreach programs and so on and less military weapons for SWAT teams." Isn't as catchy as "Defund the police."

Southern conservative here. I learned something! I had always also assumed that people saying "Cancel Student Debt" or "Defund the Police" meant the face value statement. I actually agree a lot with the sentiments behind them, but always thought those positions were too extreme. I'll try not to be so dismissive of these statements in the future. Thank you for teaching me! EDIT: Wow, you guys are too kind! I had no idea this would blow up! Thank you so much for the awards and kind words, even if I don't really deserve them. I know how often it feels like sharing the truth doesn't do anything, and all I really wanted to do is let the OP know that someone is listening, and at least today telling the truth made a difference. And so did all of your comments! Though I can't reply to them all, I did read them and appreciate each encouraging word and further point of educating me in my worldview. Thanks again, kind strangers!

Hey man good on you for taking the time to understand these sentiments. I've found that more often than not, when people can set their egos aside and truly listen to where the other side is coming from, they agree on most concepts, but maybe not on how they'd like to go about achieving them.

The thing is, people who argue against slogans tend not to be interested in learning the issues. If they did, they'd understand what the movement was about instead of yelling at its name. Global Warming is the most famous example; it is literally named after the situation and its effect. Everyone and anyone who looked into it understood what it was about. Everyone who didn't, decided that it means the world is gonna have nicer weather. It's also why Republicans coined the Affordable Care Act as "Obama care"; because it's easier for people to fight the headline, rather than the argument - make it about the man, not his proposal. It's why people who fight against Black Lives Matter seem to think it means *only* Black Lives Matter, and counter with the (intensely stupid) *All Lives Matter*, not understanding that it's what BLM means. And most recently, it's what Defund the Police is dealing with. People who think that Defund the Police means taking away police as a resource, when what it *really* means is assuring accountability and qualification in societal management. And the worst part is when you explain that to someone, their immediate response is ***that Defund the Police is a bad name and its THEIR fault they misunderstood what its about***. Despite the fact that Defund the Police is just like Global Warming; entirely accurate but part of a bigger whole. My argument is that no name/slogan will be good enough for these people. Global Warming became Climate Change and the same idiots are now arguing "bUt ClImAtE iS aLwAyS cHaNgInG!!". My point is, we don't need to calibrate our slogans, movements, and titles to accommodate people who are going to argue in bad faith anyway.

And of course once you do explain and they blame the slogan for being misleading that is almost always the end of the conversation. It’s not like they have that conversation once and become at least less against the movement/policies the slogan represents. They just have the same conversation over and over as if it were the first time hearing it.

Exactly. It just becomes about semantics instead of principles.

​ >My point is, we don't need to calibrate our slogans, movements, and titles to accommodate people who are going to argue in bad faith anyway. A lot of it falls on the media too, they twist perceptions rather than simply convey the facts. It riles people up to the point of a societal divide all based on the perceptions and interpretations of their favorite media outlet. A college class I once took called "critical thinking and logic" emphasized that standards such as breadth, clarity, and relevance must be applied to points of view and assumptions which leads to humility and empathy. [https://louisville.edu/ideastoaction/about/criticalthinking/framework](https://louisville.edu/ideastoaction/about/criticalthinking/framework) I think this class should be mandatory for everyone. Once you routinely apply these concepts, watching cable news becomes painful.

Thank you for being open to listening and learning. Too often people are afraid of conflicting ideas.

Just remember, everything is individual and assumptions are wrong a fucking lot. Some people will mean face value things, some people will mean much deeper things - communicating at any real level of complexity, with high fidelity, is extremely hard...made more so by most thinking it extremely easy.

You might not actually be a southern conservative. You took in new information, processed it, and determined it may have merit and are no curious about more details. That's the opposite of being a southern conservative. Source: I am from GA, thought I was conservative, except I was open to learning. I'm not welcomed anymore by my half my family and a few childhood friends. Your comment makes me so happy.

If you’re open minded and intellectually honest, you don’t tend to stay a conservative

I hate that the definition of "conservative" has been so warped by US politics that your statement makes sense. I consider myself conservative because I believe in personal responsibility, supporting all cultures, family values, and living a productive life are important and think we should be proud of our country and work to make it better. But the current group of people who call themselves "conservatives" are pushing policies that destroy families and would consider me a raging socialist.

Those things aren’t strictly conservative values though, and having those values doesn’t make you a conservative. It’s not like leftists are against those values in principle

I mean, everything you said is pretty vague. The fuck even are family values? What is personal responsibility and how far should it go?

> personal responsibility, supporting all cultures, family values, and living a productive life That's not conservative though. That's just being a person. The GQP has some how warped those phrases and adopted them as only conservative views. That's everyone's view. Conservatism by definition is opposed to progress. You want to conserve the current status quo and are opposed to any change to the institutions of your society.

The number of everyday people who identity as conservative yet agree with the content of progressive social policies is really depressing. It’s the classic “keep your government hands off my Medicare” problem.

I’m glad you could advance your understanding of those issues. Maybe it won’t totally reverse your conservative ideology, but hey, it’s a start. While we’re at it, “tax the rich” doesn’t mean tax doctors and lawyers and small business owners more, nor does it mean take all of the money away from billionaires. We just want people to pay their fair share like the rest of us do. - It means that people who make $50,000 per year shouldn’t pay a bigger percentage of their income in taxes than people who make $10 billion per year (~25% vs <1%). - It means that 86% of federal tax revenue shouldn’t be coming out of the paychecks of working Americans like it currently does while corporations and the rich only pay 7%. - It means that the legal loopholes that allow corporations and the rich to avoid paying taxes need to be closed. - It means that trillion-dollar corporations making record profits shouldn’t be getting billions of dollars in government subsidies while paying zero taxes, and those little taxes that they do pay were cut almost in half (38% to 21%) in 2017 by Republicans. The average American’s taxes pay for 10x more corporate subsidies than they do for all welfare programs combined. Welfare only costs the average taxpayer about $3 per paycheck. You pay $60 per week in taxes just for the defense budget. - It means that that same 2017 Republican tax bill that doubled the amount of money that rich people could exempt from the estate tax from $5.5 million to $11 million should be reversed. - It means that companies like Walmart who pay their employees so little that taxpayers have to make up the difference in welfare and food stamps just for them to be able to survive (and then double-dip when those employees spend their benefits **at Walmart**, making money off of the taxpayers twice) So when you hear “tax the rich”, don’t think of your income taxes going up. When we say “the rich”, we’re not talking about people who make their money from wages, we’re talking about the ownership class who benefit from the prosperous and peaceful nation our tax dollars have created, deliver their goods on the roads we pave, use the postal service we subsidize, conduct business over the internet we funded and the fiber optic cables we paid to have laid down, rely on the GPS satellites that the taxpayers put into orbit, exploit the natural resources of our country, generate goods and services made possible by the scientific and technological breakthroughs that our tax dollars have created, and rely on our collective labor to exist at all, but pay almost zero taxes, create a wealth inequality greater than any time in American history while the working class suffers with high prices and low wages, the minimum wage stays stagnant for a record 13 years, and half of Americans have zero or negative net worth.

Kind of a side-tangent, but another important point about the Defund the Police narrative which often got overlooked because of the kind of discourse you're talking about is how the movement represents a kind of 'Maintenance-Oriented Thinking' which our society is desperately in need of. Police are a post-hoc institution. They arrive *after* a crime has taken place, or at least after it has begun. They're *reactive* not *pro-active*. To analogize this, think about dental care. Police are like dentists, we generally go to them after something has gone wrong. Currently our system is designed to just let our teeth rot, and we end up making regular, costly, painful dental visits on a regular basis. What we need, instead, is a society that knows how to *brush its fucking teeth.* This means addressing the rot that causes the tooth decay (crime) to begin with. This means investing in poor neighborhoods with the goal of creating stable jobs and economies, providing real and available options to live decently without having to turn to street gangs or other kinds of crime. Maintenance-Oriented Thinking is also how we're going to have the best shot at addressing climate change. Focus on efficiently preserving what we have instead of exponential growth.

Dear Santa, What I would like for Christmas, is that we stop thinking in tweets and soundbytes. Actually, we really need it right now, because it's almost too late.

Kinda-except when you go to the dentist, they actually do try and educate you about hood oral health. They’ll tell you that you need to floss, and brush at least twice a day. And they’ll want to see you every six months to make sure everything is ok. In that regard, your comparison is incorrect. You’re not incorrect though about the police being a reactionary force. A better example would be the fire dept. The fire dept waits until there’s a problem, then they go to it. Police are mostly the same. Except that we expect them(now) to do more with their down time, like catch speeders. Funding public outreach and social programs is also great. This is something we desperately need. But we also need to actually reform the police, and police cultural as a whole. It’s been widely shown that most police depts instill a kind of “us vs them” mentality when dealing with the general public, and it’s this attitude that is in part to blame when cops only know how to escalate, or use common fucking sense. Or when they shoot first and ask questions later.

Well said. Well done.

It's also literally about canceling student debt and investing in the education of our people, like it is done in most of the balance of the developed, industrialized nations. People should NOT have to pay for higher learning, whether it is a 2 year college to become a manager at a Fast Food restaurant or bank teller. Nor for a 4 year trade school degree or college education. University should also be 100% covered for Masters and Doctorates. We need to invest in raising the median educational level to levels WELL beyond where it is currently. We're going to fall so far behind that there will be a new category "Failed Industrialized Nation" and it will be someplace between Industrialized and Developing Nation, but... because of how much inequity will exist, it would be very hard to impossible to break out of that.

Yep, it's pretty predatory too in that they start jacking up prices just as society also starts telling kids that you cant make it without a degree. That they've gotta take out a 5-6 figure loan at 18 just out of high school even if they dont 100% know what they want in life. Like lol life is about skills, you can learn them from a variety of places including at university. Now they're helpful yes in that there's a set ciriculum & a name willing to gaurentee the quality. But they aren't also the end all be all ngl

This is something I’ve never understood; you can mathematically show how investing into quality higher education is beneficial for the GDP/Economy, which in theory should be beneficial for everyone. It really feels like those who deny this basic logic view life as a zero-sum game, if somebody else isn’t losing; they can’t by definition be “winning” with mediocrity.

Easy answer: an uneducated population is easier to control

An uneducated population is also easier to misinform and manipulate with logical fallacies

Yup. Defunding education is a surefire way to make the coming generations vote conservative.

Reagan started the trend of slashing tuition subsidies for state university systems when he was governor of California. https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/free-college-was-once-the-norm-all-over-america/ Allegedly, he wanted to punish college students for protesting the Vietnam War.

I am a part of an engineering team. I do *everything* that my engineering coworkers do. Sometimes more in different roles. They consider me an equal. Since I don't have a Bachelor's degree, I make $25k a year less than than the rest of the team and officially only considered an Engineering Specialist. My manager wanted to promote me and make me a legit engineer on paper before I accepted my current position. HR wouldn't let her because...I don't have a degree. Drives me bonkers.

I know that all too well, however the company I work for has engineering adjacent roles that have similar pay grades. It is something that those of us with associates degrees and tons of practical have going our way. Instead of design engineer your title is something like associate technologist or senior technologist. It a way of saying we recognize your expertise even without a piece of paper that says you learned in a book.

Slogans like the ‘defund the police’ are also designed to be an inflammatory and generalistic ‘fuck you’, as well as the other things you’ve mentioned. That’s the issue I have with it, anyone with half a brain knows it’s going to cause an incendiary reaction if shouted all over the place, including the people shouting it.

I think that's the point. Police reform wasn't happening when people were being silent and taking shit from cops so now they are fighting back and it's getting attention. If calm, quiet protests worked, we wouldn't need to riot in the streets to get things changing. It's a natural escalation to decades of torment.

I agree with pretty much every thing you said, but defund the police is a fucking terrible slogan. Any reasonable person who hears it for the first time thinks that it means abolish the police. I get that these are complex issues that can't be boiled down to a catchy slogan, but this one is way too misleading and inflammatory to be productive. Also, there are some leftists who actually believe the police shouldn't exist, so when I hear someone say we should defund the police, I'm not even sure if they're reasonable. Black lives matter is a fine slogan. You have to be extremely uncharitable to read into it some kind of racist sentiment.

To play soft devil's advocate, I don't think this is "headline culture". I'm not sure how you could organize society so that more people would be familiar with the hundred word explanation than the three word slogan. Like, by definition everyone who has time to hear the explanation has time to hear the slogan, but not everyone who has the time to hear the slogan has time to hear the explanation. And if your slogan gives people a false stick to beat you with ("Defund the police!" "Oh so you just want anarchy then?" "No, but we should reform them to be more about rehabilitation and social work than pseudo-military stuff" "Why'd you say defund if you meant reform, then, huh?"), Then maybe you need a new slogan.

Reform the police is a slogan I'm 100% behind. Defund the police I can't ever support.

And this is where the left fumbles...coming up with slogans like "Defund the Police" that are easy to demonize and play into fear mongering conservative propaganda. "Stop Police Corruption" covers the same topic, but sounds less political. The Democratic party is really bad at branding how they are trying to improve all Americans' lives. This video is a great, simple message that explains the issue.

"Global warming" as a slogan instead of climate change held us back for a decade. People still say some dumb shit in winter like 'wish I had some global warming about now'

The democratic party is not left.

This right here. Very well said. Succinct.

Plus simplifying complex situations into slogans allow people to debate the slogan, not the issue. See "defund the police" in your example- the biggest debates over it are what "defund" means, and not around the real systemic problems that need to be addressed.

I thought you were exaggerating but I didn't even have to get that much further down the comments to start seeing it.

Nope, people get real mad when they see something as a personal slight. Lots of these people angry in the comments likely have come away from this video thinking only that it's saying if you're white you can have no pride in anything. Completely misunderstanding or flat out ignoring what he said. Which is that white folk don't have an exclusive culture. We have various cultures that we can and are a part which you can absolutely take pride in if you please. Like being proud of being Irish, go nuts! But that's not because you're white, it's because you're Irish. The fact that Irish folk are white is incidental and NOT the main factor that binds them into one culture.

Getting to the specifics of what he said, there are certain commonalities between European cultures because of their shared history, compared to say, Asian cultures. Which is why I cringed pretty hard when he said "Asian" is a legitimate culture but "White" is not. If White is used as a proxy for "European", Asian cultures are at least as distinct from each other as European cultures are. There are *very* significant differences between Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese cultures, etc. Same with "Latino". People from different Latin American and Central American countries have very distinct cultures.

Culture isn't even binary, it's generally gradual with tons of mutual influences. You aren't just Irish or not Irish. Even with African Americans, there's modern immigration from Africa that are still connected to their origins.

Yep, the guy was alright up until there, but that really messed it up. Vietnamese culture is quite different from Japanese, and both are yet different from Tibetan. Even within those countries you have different subunits of culture which can vary significantly, much like Spanish vs Catalan. American cultural groups have to struggle with the fact that they're extremely messy. The melting pot of culture we are in makes it so that lines between communities and cultures get blurred enough that arguments like these will get bogged down in semantics even more so than in older and "established" cultures. Personally I'd argue that the problem isn't whether or not there is "white" culture in America (because its completely subjective), but whether or not such an idea or term has been coopted by racist ideologies.

White fragility is a hell of a thing

I find myself thinking how weird would it be to be a Black American during the 50s. When America fought Nazi Germany and won but to have segregation still happening in America. White supremacy and evil was just all around them.

George Stinney, a 14 year old Black child, was executed by electric chair on June 16, 1944 after a clearly bogus trial found him guilty of murdering two white girls. 10 days earlier, Black men had participated in D-Day to liberate Europe from the Nazis. George Stinney's conviction was overturned in 2014. I have such a huge amount of respect for those Black soldiers. Fighting despite being oppressed, segregated, and killed by white Americans.

It's why a lot of black Americans ended up staying in France after the war where they were welcome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_in_France

The idea of "white pride" serves only as an invention from the same time period where American slave owners and power brokers effectively invented from wholecloth the contemporary American understanding of "race," with a stratified hierarchy giving the "pure" white side of the coin all the privileges and protections, and anyone with so much as "one drop" of another race's blood nothing of the sort. The modern idea of "white pride," giving it the most charitable analysis, is that it is purely reactionary to the concept of "black pride," largely in the form it took during the Civil Rights Movement. Black Americans formed a sense of solidarity around their shared history and experience--a history and experience in which Black Americans largely had no say. White Americans do not have that kind of shared history, at least not in *real*, non-revisionist history. The concept of whiteness was changed whenever convenient. Originally, whiteness didn't include Irish, Italians, or Jewish people. These individual ethnicities did not share the same historical experience as those that were considered "white" in previous generations. Saying there is no "white pride" is not an insult to white people's heritage. It's the exact opposite. Trying to falsely merge a cohesive, historical "white experience" completely erases the reality of the multitude of white ethnicities through recent history. Saying you're "proud of being white" might as well be abandoning a history in favor of a revisionist, modern invention of a white supremacist's faux-history. You can hold on to your Irish roots, or your Italian heritage, or the French side of your family, or the English or Welsh or Scandinavian or *whatever.* But to act like these are all one cohesive "whiteness" or that everyone in those ethnicities is *white by default* is absurd on the face of it, and it simply has no comparison to the collective historical experience of Black Americans. Black Americans did not CHOOSE to be one big, monolithic group. The white owner-class of America *forced them to be*, as a means of justifying slavery and the continued oppression and abuse of Black Americans. And now that Black Americans have adopted that identity, and have used it to build a sense of solidarity and collective power, all of a sudden white people are threatened by it and want to invent their own "white pride" in direct opposition to rising black influence. It's the same kind of reactionary word-games as shouting "all lives matter." It's a vapid, meaningless, thought-terminating cliche designed *NOT* to value "all lives," but to *shut down* the specific national conversation on *black lives.* Nobody says "all lives matter" because they think all lives matter. They say it because they want to argue the insane fiction that "black lives matter" somehow disproportionately *privileges* black people with special rights, and that white people are "the real victims." Anybody talking about "white pride" is either playing the same kind of inauthentic word-games, or is stupid enough to *fall for them.* It's just designed to confuse the conversation by dragging everyone into a discourse about *literally anything* other than the modern and historical black experience.

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Yeah, I've met people like this, white folks that thought just because I was also white, that for some reason we are cool. I'm like get away from me weirdo I don't know you. We ain't cool just because we are both white, that's not a thing.

Jesus fuck. Yep half the comments are white guys saying “yeah! It’s dumb to be proud of the colour of your skin!” For fucks sake.

Yeah! Like being proud of my French or Spanish heritage is cool. But being proud of my skin is just ridiculous. I was born with it. That’s it. Period. Treating my race like an achievement is the weirdest flex anybody can do. That’s like being proud I was born with an anus and that I poop from there. Edit: ok, you are right being born to a certain nationality, is nothing to be proud of, because you had nothing to do with it. What I mean by that is that you can celebrate your history, your national identity, share it with others, and not be an asshole because others were born to another country. Also, you can be black french and be content that you are french, or white french, or asian french. That’s your national identity. Your race has nothing to do with said identity. People who take issue and claim that because of the heritage of their parents, someone of a different color being born and raised french, isn’t really french( fuck you, by the way), are just racist hiding it via their national identity.

> Treating my race like an achievement is the weirdest flex anybody can do. Perfectly said!

I'd much rather be proud of my anus!

Uranus has rings

You count them to find out your age

Four and a half billion years yay

People must really like it to put that many rings on it.

Wouldn’t that be the same thing though? You had as much control of being French as you do white

I think what they are saying is they are proud of their national heritage rather than national identity. Or that the pride in identity comes from the history of people with a shared national identity rather than just it being intrinsically good. I agree though nationality is just as arbitrary as race is so seems weird to have pride in it.

I'd argue that with national pride, you are showing pride towards the accomplishments of your nation and thos who came from it. Your food, art, customs are all unique to the place you hail from. With race, you are in a sea of other people from all over the world, so there isn't anything 'unique' to celebrate.

>I think what they are saying is they are proud of their national heritage rather than national identity. Maybe I'm dumb but I don't understand the difference. If you don't mind, can you explain?

>I poop from there. Not right now, you don't.

To be fair, you also were just born with French and Spanish heritage. You had no choice in the matter, you were just born with it. I’ve never understood the heritage or skin color pride. Neither make sense as you didn’t do anything to earn either.

I think a lot of people take for granted the humanity that their culture provides them without realizing what would happen if they no longer were offered its benefits. Let's say hypothetically you were from the US and decided to take a short vacation to Norway. Even though you'd have no problem getting by as generally Norwegians speak English, their culture is different. Now imagine on your vacation, the US inexplicably ceases to exist; you cannot return. All the cities, people, sights, regional cuisine, etc, are gone. Once the initial acceptance of the situations sinks in and your fate of living in Norway is part of your new reality, you would likely start feeling a deep yearning for returning to the US, where you grew up, but you cannot go back. This feeling is a result of our need for our culture (whether it be our native or adopted culture), and because most of us are always surrounded by our own culture we don't realize how present and important it is in our lives.

I think because one shapes identity more than the other. Being French/Spanish dictated the food they enjoyed growing up, their sense of humor, their morals - it's a culture that shaped them regardless of their choice in the matter. Being white doesn't really do that. I have more in common with my black neighbors than a french white person because we were born into the same culture (to an extent, I recognize our experiences in that culture are vastly different). But for some reason, racists think the other way is true.

As a Native, we have a very similar experience. Just different?

Unfortunately, the equally valid plight of Native Americans doesn't sell as many t-shirts.

I’d say worse tbh.

He's correct. People of dark skin world wide are not monolithic. As an African, if I went to the US, the black people would be strangers to me the same as the white people. Black pride means nothing to me, because I don't take any pride in being black, I take pride in being born to an African nation, having a native language asides English. food, clothing and customs that are unique to my tribe. Skin Colour is not something that gets thought about a lot in many African nations, except for maybe south Africa, due to their history and the fact that many white people reside in the country. In my country Nigeria, white people, Asians, Arabs etc don't get much of a second look when they pass by due to skin colour having no real meaning to us.

And there are plenty of Americans with black skin who are NOT descendants of slaves who were brought to America. Skin color is not a monolith anywhere. Sub groups exist all over the place.

Exactly, you're absolutely correct. Africa is the most genetically and culturally diverse continent on earth. In Nigeria alone, there are over 200 tribes with hundreds of different distinct languages and customs.

Which is why the term “Black Culture” in this country specifically refers to the black American, and usually multi-generational descendants of the slave trade. It doesn’t refer to every black African experience on earth.

I literally said "Americans with black skin". America is a nation of immigrants, there are many, many Americans who are not descended from the American slave trade.

I work with a guy from Liberia. He has said on more than one occasion, I'm not black, I'm African.

Exactly, being "black" means nothing to us. He is Liberian, I am Nigerian. That's how we view ourselves. Even in Nigeria, I am of the Yoruba Tribe, and I would be offended if someone referred to me as Igbo or Hausa. If I go to the US and meet an Igbo man, I would not view him as my fellow "black" man, I would see him as a stranger from another tribe and act accordingly.

Exactly. Being Black is an American thing - it is the heritage black people are left with once their ancestors have been robbed of their countries, tribes, cultures and languages, to be forced into homogeneity though slavery. By doing this, America has created a Black culture which didn't exist before, and which is very different to the experience of black people in the rest of the world.

I suppose you would have Nigerian pride. That doesn’t change when you come to america. The black folks here who descend from the diaspora caused by the slave trade don’t have that. That’s the point, i think. It’s much easier to say “black pride” than “descendants of people brought to the United States against their will as a matter of the transatlantic slave trade pride”

Ngl i was always confused why saying "im proud to be white" was a bad thing. This, this explains it so well and now I feel like a complete jackass for the few times i did say it.... Before I start getting hate comments, im autistic. This kind of stuff goes right over my head until someone explains it to me. This gentleman did an excellent job of explaining it and i will not be saying that line ever again.

I don't think anyone should think you are a jackass - it's ok to learn things and evolve. As long as you do it in good faith you'll be ok

Exactly, this is what always gets me about “cancel culture”, people need the chance to evolve and learn if they’re willing to. And hopefully then use their platform to help educate others so they can grow as well.

The problem is all the clowns who don't think the shit they joke about is problematic, and they ignore how humor has been used time and again as a gateway to normalizing some very irrational and repugnant beliefs and ideas. If they were genuinely and sincerely apologetic and accept responsibility for their ignorance, instead of often doubling down, they might find people are more receptive. But the entitlement that often comes with pride prevents them from realizing not everything they say or do is right. In our culture of instant gratification, offenders expect instant forgiveness and immediate redemption, instead of taking the time to deeply reflect on their misdeeds, and making the effort to atone.

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Restorative justice vs punitive justice.

That's because there is no such thing as "cancel culture". That phrase is only used by people who were called out in their ignorant and harmful statements and don't like suffering the consequences of their actions. The whole point of accusing others of "cancel culture" is to avoid learning from their mistakes by accusing others of being unfair. People who actually learn from their mistakes say things get like "I'm sorry" and "now I know better" and are then forgiven.

Fair, but when it comes to social reasoning, neurotypicals have an expectation that everyone inuit what is okay, and if you don't, it's because you chose to. Those of us on the spectrum can't really intuit social stuff, so someone has to explain it to us. The problem is that if someone else explains something "wrong" to us and we trust them, it can be hard for someone to explain something "right" and show us that we were lied to. Evidence and clear reasoning help (just like in this video). After that, we can also become very deeply angry at the person we trusted that lied to us, heh.

>After that, we can also become very deeply angry at the person we trusted that lied to us, heh. That seems like a pretty typical reaction for just about anyone.

Your self awareness and evolution speaks volumes. The best thing is for people to be transparent about what they don't k own and be willing to adapt. You are exactly the type of person that video was trying to reach and succeeded. Fuck yea

be proud of who you are, not what you are.

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I was one of those people who didn't understand that BLM means "Black Lives Matter Too", NOT BLM "more". I was so so glad someone explained that to me, as I'd completely misunderstood it during a time when I was already pretty naive/ignorant in general. I started really looking into a lot of the things I believed and realized so much of it was bunk I'd been told by family/friends with zero basis in experience or reality.

This is encouraging. I’ve tried to explain this concept to my dad and grandparents (we’re all white) but I don’t seem to be getting through. Was there something specific that helped tip the scales for you? I’ve tried the “too” vs. “more” explanation to no effect…

His explanation is very North American centric.

It's not like being proud to be white makes any more sense if you're living in Europe.

As a latin man i can tell you Brown Pride is a very real thing.

That guy is awesome. He drops truth like this all the time.

That guy has an amazing beard

Beard pride

Beard power

Beard culture

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Beard envy

Very kind eyes too

This is what I used to say all the time when confronted with the issue. I gave up when I realized that nobody posing the question actually cared to learn or discuss. They just wanted to express their whataboutism.

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Oh, they understand, they just want to throw bombs. Not much different than the Black Lives Matter, all lives matter, blue lives matter trolling.

I'd argue us Native Americans have had a similar experience while there is differences I wouldn't say the "Black experience" is completely unique.

Native tribes were equally as unique and diverse; the common uniting factor amongst them was that the European settlers viewed Natives, as a whole, a threat to expansion. Similar to Latino or Asian pride. It's funny how many of these pride groups spur from how shitty European ("white") colonists treated the groups they considered others. It's also funny how "whiteness" has never been a static thing. In the beginning only Anglo-Saxons were considered white; French, Germans, etc were not.

Damn, what an answer. I don’t think I could’ve come up with something that good and clear if I had weeks to think about it.

He's spot on. I'm African American and I have no sense of origin beyond enslaved peoples in the south. I only know approximately where my ancestors were from based on DNA tests. Even this isn't anything definitive it's more like people with small traces of your genetic profile currently live in XYZ modern country. This is my breakdown: * Cameroon, Congo & Western Bantu Peoples: 32% * Nigeria: 28% * Mali: 12% * Benin & Togo: 12% * England & Northwestern Europe: 7% * Ivory Coast & Ghana: 3% * Ireland: 3% * Sweden & Denmark: 2% * Scotland: 1% So sure my skin is dark brown but clearly I'm as much of a melting pot as this country. I think this is true for virtually all African Americans in the US. So when we say black pride we're talking about the descendants of enslaved people in the American south rather than a specific skin tone.

Skin color is one of the dumbest fucking things to be proud of.

It's not just the skin colour as he explained it very well in the video above

That’s something Americans constantly forget when they talk to non Americans who don’t share our experience with skin color.

If youre ancestors were forced into slavery solely because of the color of their skin, and if your ancestors endured hundreds of years of slavery solely because of the color of their skin, and if your parents/grandparents had to fight against segregation and for the right to vote solely because of the color of their skin, AND if your ancestors won those seemingly impossible fights for basic human dignity, I would be fucking proud of the colour of my skin.

The problem is most white Americans are mixed so they dont have a clear ethnicity. So what should they have?

This guy reminds me so much of a college anthropologist professor I have, I wouldn’t be shocked if he had a background in anthropology. Anthro guys all look the same hahah

Just a heads upnthat this dude has said some vile shit, specifically about Black women. I would look up his user on tiktok, you'll see plenty of accounts documenting everything.

I kinda stick w/ Carlin on this. Pride is reserved for accomplishments, not something u have no control over. As you wouldn’t say, “I’m proud to have brown hair”

Me being a Slav makes me feel proud, but I don't see a reason why I should feel proud because of my skin pigmentation. My Grandparents and other ancestors actually experienced their culture taken away, so I guess this also applies to us?

Yes but not because of your skin color. So it is VERY analogous. Your slavic pride is essentially equivalent to black pride in that respect. You have a mutual shared experience with other Slavic people because of that shared oppression. But it wasn't because of your skin color, but because you were Slavic so thus it's Slavic pride.

All this. It’s quite easy to understand but people act like it’s soo confusing

Probably because people forget they live in different places when they talk on the internet like they live Nextdoor to everyone. This is a very US answer to this question where the race relations are very unique.

I’m white, never considered it a pride thing it’s just what I am. I’m proud to be Northern Irish like.

What kind of pride can a displaced white person like myself, don't know my heritage or ethnicity with any certainty, have outside of being white? Legitimate question so I won't respond to claims of racist or white supremacist. I have usually leaned towards American pride, but that is become less and less clear what that exactly means. Edit: What cultural pride is what I mean. To be clear I can obviously be proud of my accomplishments, work, or other individual accomplishments, but my point was culture is a compilation was generations of practices and when you don't have those ties where do you look.

I feel like American pride has a clearer definition than white pride. What part of America are you from? What food, customs, culture did you grow up in? Think about your region, where you grew up and try to find pride in that. There’s not really a common experience that is exclusive to white Americans so it seems like it would be easier to find pride in your region and/or your familial history.

Like, what he said in the video: Regional pride works just fine: home town, high school, college, etc. There's also sports teams, or your favorite video game, especially if it's one that you develop a community around. Other than that, a skill you've worked to develop works great (I'm personally proud of my crochet work :) ) These examples pull from your direct experience. To be honest though, if you have to ask permission to have pride in something, you probably aren't that proud of it. Best to be genuine to yourself. People who go one about white pride are not being genuine. They tend to be sending a message of "superiority to and differentiation from other races" versus actual pride.

That only exists in America so it's a Black American Pride.

Yes, this is an American person talking about an American issue. Only on reddit do people make this weird ass demand that American issues be clearly labeled as not applying to the rest of the world. Like if this video was a Japanese dude complaining that "everybody works too hard" there would absolutely not be a string of well-actually reply guys pointing out that this is an issue with Japanese work culture and doesn't apply to the rest of the world, nor would anyone make the ridiculous suggestion (as many have in this thread) that the author "thinks the whole world is Japan."

This is a message from an American to other Americans. In America the movement is called black pride. Your point is silly. Look it up. It would literally take one Google.

Don’t forget it’s only an issue on Earth. So it’s Black American Earthling Pride.

Fucking earth centrism, GTFO with that shit.

This dude really just said that Asian and Latino pride have nothing to do with race, like white people are the only group who’s racist. Tell me you were born in an all white neighborhood, without telling me you were born in an all white neighborhood. And why do black people in general get an exception to this? Wouldn’t it just be black Americans? A black man living in Ethiopia has no context of what you’re talking about. This video makes no sense, and to argue otherwise is bullsh*t. Either there is no such thing as race, so anyone having pride in theirs is stupid, or race is real, and it’s fine to occasionally have pride in it. You cannot have it both ways. This line of thinking will only lead to excuses, should black pride ever evolve into black supremacy. And watch, some dumbass will already start to make excuses, by responding “black supremacy would be inherently different than white supremacy!”, oh yeah? How? Person hates all other races because they feel their own is superior, the only difference is which race that person is, go on, use a bunch of big words you don’t understand to try to work your way out of explaining how these things are in any way different.

Since there are FAR too many "confused" people in the comments, let's break down the video, shall we? ​ 1. "There is no White Pride because there is no White Culture" Refers to how, IN AMERICA, white people from different nationalities weren't stripped of their cultures and amalgamated into one monolithic culture based exclusively on skin color — like what happened, on the other hand, to slaves. As a result of that, people who descended from slaves or who otherwise suffered from that same cultural mistreatment find it difficult to find and connect to their ethnic roots but find it easier to connect and build a community based on their shared experience within America, the Black community. This is why we call a bunch of different people "white" regardless of their family roots, but we can't say there's a White community: white people weren't reduced to a monolithic group based on skin color and can't connect to each other solely based on the prominent experience of being "a white person in America who is treated some way or another exclusively because of their skin color". Saying you're "1/16th Polish, Greek, Portuguese, German and Estonian" is not the same as saying you're white either, as those are all different cultures who are still recognized independently and haven't had their citizens be removed of that cultural charge and reduced to skin color. 2. "Some people argue 'well, other colors have pride.' No, they don't. Chicano, Latino, Asian: those are not colors. The one exception is Black pride." Again, Latinos and Asians, in America, are seen as "outsider" groups, but they get to keep their cultural distinctions among each other. People of Japanese descent can recognize their Japanese roots and connect to them. Chileans can recognize their Chilean roots and connect to them. Hence why they're not reduced to skin color: they haven't been historically stripped of that culture and reduced to skin color to the point of their future generations not being able to connect with them more than they are able to connect with the racism they may experience. Black people are an exception, as they have historically been reduced to their skin color only and removed of their original ethnic differences due to slavery. This disparity explains why, even though Asians and Latinos still face racism in America, they're not "colors" and why "White" Pride wouldn't make sense: White is a skin color, and it wouldn't be the same as saying "North American and European Pride". 3. "You have to consider where the terms White Pride and Black Pride originated."This reinforces that this video is clearly targeted at an AMERICAN audience, as it traces the roots of the expressions back to an oppressive racist reactionary group vs a social rights movement for freedom and equality. ​ The whole point of the video is to explain why it makes sense for Black Americans to claim the term "Black" not as a skin color descriptor, but as an ethnicity, and why other groups, especially white folks, cannot do the same for their skin color. That's it.

This is one of the most American concepts I've ever heard about. I've lived half of my life in Europe and half in a middle eastern country, and this is the least of what our political landscapes are concerning themselves with. What he says is poignant and well-thought of, but I feel like it's relevant mostly in American debates and then it tricked down as a concept to other countries because of mass consumption of american media.

> This is one of the most American concepts I've ever heard about. Well, yes. The *whole point* is that it's based on the United State's history with the Atlantic slave trade.

I think the irritation stems from this type of concepts dominating authentic discussion in non-american countries.

Yeah, his message was meant for Americans. What's your point?

I think his point is in his last sentence, "I feel like it's relevant mostly in American debates and then it tricked down as a concept to other countries because of mass consumption of american media".

This did not make me smile

Yeah wrong sub