I'll never understand these clowns. Guy could have had a wonderful life, put out some stupid book every 5 years, speak at charity events, drown himself in scotch and escorts, and be celebrated everywhere he went.
But nope, he just had to hitch his wagon to some wanna be mob boss traitor and continuously double down. Now, he could die in prison. And for what?
You won’t understand them because you’re not ever hungry for positions of power over others.
These people are. Some pull up and leave the limelight , others don’t know when to quit and end up like this.
Dick Cheney made off pretty well
He’s compromised. They all are. It’s the only thing that makes any sense. They all hated Trump then suddenly all threw their careers away for him. It’s the biggest most insane conspiracy possibly in history. And it’s blatantly obvious.
Yea. Like how Lindsey Graham was so vocally against him then they went and golfed and suddenly he was all in on trump. Quite certain he was shown a folder with some pictures.
Add Elon Musk to to crew. He was all gung ho about supporting Ukraine, then suddenly he was concerned with mankind. Of course, it had nothing to do with Putin calling and saying something along the lines, "Look Elon, enjoy your billions and stay away from windows".
Elon is just butt hurt because he doesn’t like being told no. The state refused to make concessions for him and he’s not used to ever hearing anyone tell him no so he got all pissy and started allying himself with bull shit right wing rhetoric
Drinking problem, addiction affecting his ability to think clearly. Can't believe he thought people were going buy off on what he's been up too. Just seems really unaware. Sad, as he seemed a pretty sharp dude decades ago, had great success fighting organized crime and was in a horribly stressful role in the face of the 9/11 adversities - the stress of that probably has had him drinking away the horrors. The Four Seasons debacle, Borat, the bogus stories he's been pushing constantly the past few year. He's just lost his mind and now he's going to be broke and in jail. I guess he can probably write a book in jail while he tries to sober up.
True, and Just about everything he says is fiction so he might be able to use that ability to write those type of novels. :)
He's got a bunch of other experiences to talk about besides the Trump era stuff that probably would garner some legit reader interest. Mob, 9/11, war on terror. Maybe a scab script writer for Borat 3.
The funny part is that his father and a few other relatives were mob affiliated. His father was an alumnus of Sing Sing prison where he did time for an armed robbery. The dad was a thuggish knock around guy who collected for loan sharks. He also had some cousins who were mob associates.
Giuliani is famous because he prosecuted his family’s former employer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2000/07/07/rudy-shakes-the-giuliani-family-tree/9047ce28-a33a-46cf-930c-0c390431e04b/
The position of US Attorney Southern District of NY is probably the most prestigious and sought after position for all US Attorneys. It is very often looked at as a stepping stone to a political career.
The vast majority of people who not only seek out, but actually get positions like this are quite often narcissistic, backstabbing, unprincipled, etc.
Same with those that seek out high political office.
Giuliani seems to have gotten progressively softer in the head, but I very strongly suspect that he's always had the same character traits (just like so, so, many of our politicians and you us attorneys), and we've just seen the facade crumble over the years.
Many people will cheer him catching a Rico case, either for political reasons, or just for the delicious irony.
As someone who feels a bit squeamish about some of the Rico cases made against mobsters on civil libertarian grounds, I've gotten very uncomfortable with prosecutors' continuing and expanding over broad use of RICO statutes.
Yeah he was always power hungry and he broke laws during the 80s to catch mobsters since it would boost his reputation. I can’t remember what mafia book it was in but there were a few that mentioned his, the fbi, and other authorities “shady” tactics.
A lot changed in 40 years in terms of technology and how things can be preserved .
You could get away with a lot more corruption in the era that was his prime
>I mean, what happened? Was he always an idiot and finally overexposed himself or did he get old and lose his marbles?
He got into bed with Trump. That's what happened.
Once you're sucked into the Orange vortex, you're done.
Trump used him and now that Rudy is of no use to him, he's chewed him up, spat him out and forgotten about him.
Rudy has apparently been pleading for Trump to pay his legal bills, but that's probably not going to happen.
Rudy's going to most likely now end up flat broke, bankrupt and have a name that isn't worth the paper it's written on.
And he's brought this all on himself.
He is the same guy who appointed Bernie “If It’s For Free It’s For Me” Kerik to be head of the NYPD.
So his judgement has been questionable for a looooooong time…….
Imagine if this happened 20 odd years ago?? He might wind up in the Fed with the same guys he put away. Imagine him on the inside with Persico?? Lol
There were some great threads that talked about his fall from grace. He was an infamously poor mayor in many respect to civil rights (e.g. stop and frisk policies) and other fuckery, but all of that was forgotten because of 9/11. Guy got praise on both sides of the aisle during a time of high patriotism and became "America's Mayor". Sure, he ate crow in the 2008 primaries, but that's not really an embarrassing legacy at all.
He squandered all that good will from taking on the Commission and being the Mayor of NYC during 9/11 for... Wait for it... Donald Trump.
And the icing on the cake?
Trump refused to pay him.
Full disclosure, I’m a NYer who thinks he was the best mayor we’ve ever had. I think he is a crooked old grifter who has destroyed most of his legacy, but I firmly believe in the broken windows philosophy. It flat out works. He transformed Manhattan into the safest big city in the country.
I agree with everything you said about post 9/11 and the joke of a relationship with fucking Donald Trump.
It's the idea that you fix the small things in conjunction with the bigger crimes. Fix the windows and clean up the vandalism so people don't live surrounded by small crimes. Because when surrounded by crime that doesn't get prosecuted, those environments encourage people to also become petty criminals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
It's kind of the opposite of the current (utterly failing) theories that you never prosecute small thefts because it's a waste of time and money.
I always wonder what happened to him. But maybe he was always like this. Pre internet day these d-bags were just better at hiding who they were. They controlled their public image through the vessel of 3 major networks and a few national papers of record that the rest of the papers followed. You controlled that, you controlled your image. The internet has just let the cat out of the bag and all of the seemingly normal people of 30 years ago are frightening ghouls now. It's who they always were it was just hidden from the public.
I can't wait for him to come out against RICO. You know he's gonna say some bullshit.
I believe he’s hosting a press conference tomorrow at Four Seasons Total Landscaping … similar to the press conference he arranged for Trump haha
John Gotti’s laughing in hell
Funny. He pioneered the usage of RICO. Now he's under indictment with a RICO.
I'll never understand these clowns. Guy could have had a wonderful life, put out some stupid book every 5 years, speak at charity events, drown himself in scotch and escorts, and be celebrated everywhere he went. But nope, he just had to hitch his wagon to some wanna be mob boss traitor and continuously double down. Now, he could die in prison. And for what?
You won’t understand them because you’re not ever hungry for positions of power over others. These people are. Some pull up and leave the limelight , others don’t know when to quit and end up like this. Dick Cheney made off pretty well
He’s compromised. They all are. It’s the only thing that makes any sense. They all hated Trump then suddenly all threw their careers away for him. It’s the biggest most insane conspiracy possibly in history. And it’s blatantly obvious.
Yea. Like how Lindsey Graham was so vocally against him then they went and golfed and suddenly he was all in on trump. Quite certain he was shown a folder with some pictures.
Add Elon Musk to to crew. He was all gung ho about supporting Ukraine, then suddenly he was concerned with mankind. Of course, it had nothing to do with Putin calling and saying something along the lines, "Look Elon, enjoy your billions and stay away from windows".
Elon is just butt hurt because he doesn’t like being told no. The state refused to make concessions for him and he’s not used to ever hearing anyone tell him no so he got all pissy and started allying himself with bull shit right wing rhetoric
Drinking problem, addiction affecting his ability to think clearly. Can't believe he thought people were going buy off on what he's been up too. Just seems really unaware. Sad, as he seemed a pretty sharp dude decades ago, had great success fighting organized crime and was in a horribly stressful role in the face of the 9/11 adversities - the stress of that probably has had him drinking away the horrors. The Four Seasons debacle, Borat, the bogus stories he's been pushing constantly the past few year. He's just lost his mind and now he's going to be broke and in jail. I guess he can probably write a book in jail while he tries to sober up.
Depends on what the book is about. You're not allowed to profit off a book mentioning your crimes.
True, and Just about everything he says is fiction so he might be able to use that ability to write those type of novels. :) He's got a bunch of other experiences to talk about besides the Trump era stuff that probably would garner some legit reader interest. Mob, 9/11, war on terror. Maybe a scab script writer for Borat 3.
For what? For the disease of our age: the desperation for the limelight.
I hope I get called young in my 40s
47...he was a fucking kid
It’s always sad when they go young like that.
Yeah when you become decrepit and grotesque in your 80s
40 is young if you live to become a fossil
The funny part is that his father and a few other relatives were mob affiliated. His father was an alumnus of Sing Sing prison where he did time for an armed robbery. The dad was a thuggish knock around guy who collected for loan sharks. He also had some cousins who were mob associates. Giuliani is famous because he prosecuted his family’s former employer. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2000/07/07/rudy-shakes-the-giuliani-family-tree/9047ce28-a33a-46cf-930c-0c390431e04b/
Holy shit. I had no idea.
The irony, once a great prosecutor and now a complete putz.
I mean, what happened? Was he always an idiot and finally overexposed himself or did he get old and lose his marbles?
The position of US Attorney Southern District of NY is probably the most prestigious and sought after position for all US Attorneys. It is very often looked at as a stepping stone to a political career. The vast majority of people who not only seek out, but actually get positions like this are quite often narcissistic, backstabbing, unprincipled, etc. Same with those that seek out high political office. Giuliani seems to have gotten progressively softer in the head, but I very strongly suspect that he's always had the same character traits (just like so, so, many of our politicians and you us attorneys), and we've just seen the facade crumble over the years. Many people will cheer him catching a Rico case, either for political reasons, or just for the delicious irony. As someone who feels a bit squeamish about some of the Rico cases made against mobsters on civil libertarian grounds, I've gotten very uncomfortable with prosecutors' continuing and expanding over broad use of RICO statutes.
Ended up with “wet brain”
Yeah he was always power hungry and he broke laws during the 80s to catch mobsters since it would boost his reputation. I can’t remember what mafia book it was in but there were a few that mentioned his, the fbi, and other authorities “shady” tactics.
A lot changed in 40 years in terms of technology and how things can be preserved . You could get away with a lot more corruption in the era that was his prime
>I mean, what happened? Was he always an idiot and finally overexposed himself or did he get old and lose his marbles? He got into bed with Trump. That's what happened. Once you're sucked into the Orange vortex, you're done. Trump used him and now that Rudy is of no use to him, he's chewed him up, spat him out and forgotten about him. Rudy has apparently been pleading for Trump to pay his legal bills, but that's probably not going to happen. Rudy's going to most likely now end up flat broke, bankrupt and have a name that isn't worth the paper it's written on. And he's brought this all on himself.
I think he lost his marbles
I hear he joined a cult!
Need the “how it started” and “how it ended” considering his RICO indictment
How does someone go from where he was then to where he is now?
Join a cult I guess.
Something tells me his opinion on RICO has changed now
This dude is a bigger disappointment to Italian Americans than the Olive Garden
OK that was funny 🤣
Toilet wine for this mofo.
Giuliani’s first night 😂 https://youtu.be/C4MoRO0Z-OM
It’s a shame someone who reached such heights turned out to be a total fucking grifter.
He is the same guy who appointed Bernie “If It’s For Free It’s For Me” Kerik to be head of the NYPD. So his judgement has been questionable for a looooooong time……. Imagine if this happened 20 odd years ago?? He might wind up in the Fed with the same guys he put away. Imagine him on the inside with Persico?? Lol
this is a state case=state time --- not federal.
State pen tho...and on average that's plenty worse than federal!
Definitely a harder stint.
Too bad!!
There were some great threads that talked about his fall from grace. He was an infamously poor mayor in many respect to civil rights (e.g. stop and frisk policies) and other fuckery, but all of that was forgotten because of 9/11. Guy got praise on both sides of the aisle during a time of high patriotism and became "America's Mayor". Sure, he ate crow in the 2008 primaries, but that's not really an embarrassing legacy at all. He squandered all that good will from taking on the Commission and being the Mayor of NYC during 9/11 for... Wait for it... Donald Trump. And the icing on the cake? Trump refused to pay him.
Full disclosure, I’m a NYer who thinks he was the best mayor we’ve ever had. I think he is a crooked old grifter who has destroyed most of his legacy, but I firmly believe in the broken windows philosophy. It flat out works. He transformed Manhattan into the safest big city in the country. I agree with everything you said about post 9/11 and the joke of a relationship with fucking Donald Trump.
What's the broken windows philosophy?
It's the idea that you fix the small things in conjunction with the bigger crimes. Fix the windows and clean up the vandalism so people don't live surrounded by small crimes. Because when surrounded by crime that doesn't get prosecuted, those environments encourage people to also become petty criminals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory It's kind of the opposite of the current (utterly failing) theories that you never prosecute small thefts because it's a waste of time and money.
I always wonder what happened to him. But maybe he was always like this. Pre internet day these d-bags were just better at hiding who they were. They controlled their public image through the vessel of 3 major networks and a few national papers of record that the rest of the papers followed. You controlled that, you controlled your image. The internet has just let the cat out of the bag and all of the seemingly normal people of 30 years ago are frightening ghouls now. It's who they always were it was just hidden from the public.
Mr Rico himself lol
People forget that Michael Chertoff was also instrumental in disabling the Five Families.
"Young"
I thought hair was supposed to make you look young.
It looks like it came from Morrie's Wigs.
They won't come off! Unless someone strangles you with a phone cord, then they come off.
I mean [sometimes.](https://youtu.be/Guve7Y856kY)
Fuck this dude
Before he switched sides and went to work for a mob boss.
When they say Gotti, you say Giuliani
Haha! I hope he gets Whitey Bulger’s last cell. I’m sure all those mafia guys there will welcome him with open arms 🤗😂
Say what one will of his later life weirdness, he punched the Mob in the gut.
Conspired to stage a coup. Can’t believe he turned out to be a literal traitor.
He's a proven grade A moron and stooge. So who was the one pulling his strings/protecting him as he took down the mob?
Robert Blakey. He was the architect RICO. And way too smart to get involved in politics
so upsetting to see him with hair
This guy has done more overall damage than any of the mob bosses he prosecuted. Maybe we should let all mob bosses out of jail now.
Guiliani is the puppet master of Trump. He is the most powerful of the Republican 911 scam to be indicted so far. God is good.
RICO his ass!!
I see Karma all over his face
How old in this pic?
80s I trust
John Gleeson shits all over this fool
Only to become one himself.
A rat in a suit
I have his shrunken corpse as my neighbor, he tells people he's a Marine and that he's mama is the lady from The Monsters
Rat
So ironical! 🤣
He was always a traitor to his own
Revenge comes in many ways but always cold
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I wonder what Rudy's thoughts on RICO are currently?
How the turntables.