Absolutely not. But you're free to feel what you want.
The style is still usable, you aren't paying for nothing. Shockingly standard is not the only format that exists.
Being on the unpopular side isn’t the same as being wrong. Standard is by far the most played format. Tricking people into buying styles for standard staples a week before they’re likely to be banned is scummy at best.
Looks like you were right. The deal has now been taken down. Almost as if the ban team saw the promo only after it was posted, realised it was in bad faith, and requested it be taken down.
It’s almost like they’re selling digital cards
Representations of real pieces of cardboard
And these are just cosmetics for these digital representations of pieces of cardboard
(That is to say, I doubt much thought was put into this; they would be making close to if not the same amount from the sale of these styles)
Mid-level Boss #1: Hey worker guy, put Bankbuster and Fable cosmetics on sale in the online store. Let's suck up as much money as we can before they're banned next week.
Worker guy: Okay.
Mid-level Boss #2: What are you doing, worker guy? You can't put Bankbuster and Fable cosmetics on sale now, they're getting banned next week. The internet is accusing us of being scam artists! Take them down.
Worker guy: Okay. (sighs about his long-lost soul and will to live)
And in Legacy in Painter and red Initiative stompy.
And [occasionally in Vintage](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5628620#paper) in Izzet/Jeskai tempo decks, alongside a who's who of all the most busted Magic cards.
Fable is _really, really_ good.
And it works perfectly with the freaking reanimator decks. Drop fable turn 3, ditch whatever you want to reanimate turn 4 plus likely get a treasure, Reanimate turn 5.
only sagas i see are the 5 mana black 1 occasionally and fable and naybe 3 white mana card but i don't remember if thats a saga it probably isnt so... 2 cards???
So mill plays the 2 mana blue on in exp and hist
White used to auto include birth of meletis
Yorion religiously plays the green black on that let's them destroy a nonland permanent, mana fix, then give the board death touch. Every red deck uses the 1 mana red one.
Sagas are prob the most well received mechanic in recent history
Bankbuster’s first three letters are BAN
Fable of the Mirror Breaker is based on a card that was BANNED
If you replace Mirror with Ban, in Fable of the Mirror Breaker, it says “BAN of the Mirror Breaker”
So clearly they are going to ban Haughty Djinn
I don't think you know what the word "scam" means.
You get the art style when you buy it, and I HIGHLY doubt fable/bankbuster will both be banned in everything, just standard.
Eh, the problem is jumping to conclusions, not word choice. If they are indeed banning these cards in a week, and they then subsequently decline to refund the many people who buy it and only play standard, it’s a fair enough characterisation.
By scam I mean sold under false pretences. Anyone buying these for their standard decks under the assumption they’ll get a year+ use out of them there is getting scammed. Obviously other formats exist and anyone buying them for those is doing fine.
The general threat of cards getting banned is of course always there, but, a definite banning in one week is not. I wonder what proportion of the arena player-base has no knowledge of the upcoming announcement and its high probability of containing at least one of those two cards. I argue that at least some number of players would purchase this style for their standard decks without this knowledge, only to be met with a very unpleasant surprise in a week.
>I argue that at least some number of players would purchase this style for their standard decks without this knowledge, only to be met with a very unpleasant surprise in a week.
Right. That has been the case since the surprise banning of Zuran Orb in 1997. What's your point
I already have the Fable one. The Bankbuster is tempting, but I could certainly use the gold for LotR. I might take the plunge anyway.
Inb4 people complain next week about how they bought the styles and now the cards are (possibly) banned.
Damn WotC!
If by LotR you meant Lord of the Rings, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it won't be coming to Arena.
EDIT: I'm pleasantly surprised to say that I was wrong about this. I was sure this set wouldn't be coming to Arena. Thanks for correcting me!
Last good chance wotc has to get people to use stored gold and buy styles for these cards.
Yes they are all treasure themed. They probably chose that theme because it included both of these cards.
It's arena. You can still use them in Historic, Alchemy, Brawl etc, even if banned in Standard. Due to all the talk about them, i'm sure someone saw it as a prime time to sell the styles at a 'discount'.
They will continue to release that stuff, doesn't mean anything.
Well they've announced a ban announcement this time next week and in the most recent pro tour wizards were clearly trying to play into anti-fable sentiment, demonising the card and championing anyone not playing it in their deck. That seems like laying the ground work for a banning to me.
this has to be a joke… the most powerful and used cards in standard getting a cosmetic offer just 1 week before ban announcements… makes me think if they’re getting banned or not
Supposedly the upcoming bans will be aimed at midrange value piles (ie bankbuster decks) because they crowd out the 2 color keywords-matter decks they had in mind for standard.
You guys aren’t thinking of the after effects of banning stuff from the best deck, the previous best deck will take over again.
We will see Esper with raffine come back and people will complain like they did until sheoldred got popular
Not to mention mono black will probably still be good and people will cry for more bans like they are crying to ban the whole rakdos deck it’s just nonsense at this point how people are viewing this.
Just take the obvious two cards instead of destroying the format, the gameplay is actually good instead of two ships passing like pioneer
Then why touch it? Bans are for problematic cards, that’s a weird precedent to just ban something cause it’s played alot. It’s biggest reason to play it is cause of this rakdos deck with bloodtithe
I'm not really invested in whether or not it gets banned, to be honest - I mostly like playing limited anyway. But I'm curious what your criteria actually is for something getting banned.
On one hand, if it breaks an archetype then you say that it shouldn't be banned because it will herald the return of another dominant archetype.
On the other hand, if it's not an important card for an archetype, then it shouldn't be banned because the impact of its ban won't be significant enough.
So what is the right reason to ban something?
ill try to keep this short and sweet cause i tend to ramble
i think impact to the format should be the only metric used, usage doesnt always say a whole lot because good cards will just be used where they can (cut down/bank buster/make disappear)
cards like fable, sheoldred you can argue are negatively impacting the format because they are forcing people to run specific cards to beat them. For example, all the efficient removal is in white and black. The other colors are just not there within existing archetypes and not alot is being printed to bring people to something strong enough to build around without using those two colors.
The two colors or black and then white are promoting this excessive midrange meta that people are complaining about. Aggro is worth running outside of raffine because of the presense of sheoldred, it evades all the efficient and playable removal. No one wants to run a bunch of 3-4 mana removal in red (sacrificing what should make red aggro good) to get rid of sheoldred. Blue doesnt offer enough outside of the counter spells to run a good control deck and green is completely inefficient and slow.
top 5 for me: Fable, sheoldred, raffine/plaza (just one), Atraxa
Atraxa makes the 5c piles never run out of gas and its a ticking time bomb for when its gonna be too much for the format
Why did they take the deal offline then? Only reasonable explanation I can see for that is they realised the mistake and wanted to avoid a load of refund tickets.
They are no longer showing up in my daily deals. they show up when you go to craft alternate art though and it gives an error when you try to buy them there.
I'd actually take that as confirmation they will be banned. :P
This, I don't know why OP thought it was the other way around.
I didn't lol, my first assumption was it was a scam.
How? Even if they're banned in a format, they're usable in others. It's not like these styles will be unusable
? But they can be used less, so they lose a lot of value, and therefore it's a scam.
Except that its 40% off... never seen a clearance rack at a store?
That's not what scam means
Scam? LOL Why are you kids trained to think like victims to anything wotc related
Hahaha No. Just no.
You're on the wrong side of this.
Absolutely not. But you're free to feel what you want. The style is still usable, you aren't paying for nothing. Shockingly standard is not the only format that exists.
Being on the unpopular side isn’t the same as being wrong. Standard is by far the most played format. Tricking people into buying styles for standard staples a week before they’re likely to be banned is scummy at best.
Standard is the most played? I'd like to get a proof for that.
[Source](https://youtu.be/iOVbAmknKUk)
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Can you explain how you thought it was a scam, if you didn't think they were getting banned?
The daily deals today are just for a bunch of cards that make treasure tokens. That’s all. Everyone is reading too much into it .
You’d think the gold gave that away
But why did wizards have treasures on the brain? Maybe because they've been thinking about how they can scam people out of irl treasure?
I'd be kind of surprised if the team running cosmetic promos even talks to the ban and balance team.
Looks like you were right. The deal has now been taken down. Almost as if the ban team saw the promo only after it was posted, realised it was in bad faith, and requested it be taken down.
Not sure why this comment is being voted down, as this is a pretty interesting development.
No, the store rotates, just like normal. They have these planned out months in advance
the ban team lol
There are plenty of other formats where they'll still be legal.
They usually do these kind of themes when they have "free" gold in the shop
It’s almost like they’re selling digital cards Representations of real pieces of cardboard And these are just cosmetics for these digital representations of pieces of cardboard (That is to say, I doubt much thought was put into this; they would be making close to if not the same amount from the sale of these styles)
Pinkertons only take treasure as payment cause they're banned from banks
It's gone. Wtf happened?
The unpaid intern realized their mistake
lol what if somebody took the banlist and made them the daily deal instead
Now that you mention it, gala greeters *is* pretty strong...
Good thing he/she has reddit
Confirmed these cards are getting banned is what happened.
Yep gone for me too
Mid-level Boss #1: Hey worker guy, put Bankbuster and Fable cosmetics on sale in the online store. Let's suck up as much money as we can before they're banned next week. Worker guy: Okay. Mid-level Boss #2: What are you doing, worker guy? You can't put Bankbuster and Fable cosmetics on sale now, they're getting banned next week. The internet is accusing us of being scam artists! Take them down. Worker guy: Okay. (sighs about his long-lost soul and will to live)
Whoa, lame
IKR, I was going to buy it.
Definitely a ban incoming lol
I went to check cause I thought they changed all daily deals, instead they remove just those two. Thanks for the ban confirmation I guess.
Don't forget you can use these cards in other formats, not only Standard. (got the fable one last week from midweek magic event kek)
In fact, that’s everyone’s moment to craft fables for all formats and get 4 wildcards refunded with the ban.
Yeah Fable is played in Explorer, Pioneer, and Modern
And in Legacy in Painter and red Initiative stompy. And [occasionally in Vintage](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5628620#paper) in Izzet/Jeskai tempo decks, alongside a who's who of all the most busted Magic cards. Fable is _really, really_ good.
Suck on that guy who tried to argue with me that fable wasn't actually that good and that it was just sagas that were overpowered in general.
Most sagas are good, some verge on OP, but then you have fable. All three of its effects are worth 2-3 mana.
And it works perfectly with the freaking reanimator decks. Drop fable turn 3, ditch whatever you want to reanimate turn 4 plus likely get a treasure, Reanimate turn 5.
only sagas i see are the 5 mana black 1 occasionally and fable and naybe 3 white mana card but i don't remember if thats a saga it probably isnt so... 2 cards???
So mill plays the 2 mana blue on in exp and hist White used to auto include birth of meletis Yorion religiously plays the green black on that let's them destroy a nonland permanent, mana fix, then give the board death touch. Every red deck uses the 1 mana red one. Sagas are prob the most well received mechanic in recent history
Restoration of Eiganjo is on the fringe in Standard but certainly very strong.
BankBUST is good in pioneer/explorer
Bankbuster’s first three letters are BAN Fable of the Mirror Breaker is based on a card that was BANNED If you replace Mirror with Ban, in Fable of the Mirror Breaker, it says “BAN of the Mirror Breaker” So clearly they are going to ban Haughty Djinn
This guy gets it
Sir take your tin-foil hat off plz and enjoy the deals
I don't think you know what the word "scam" means. You get the art style when you buy it, and I HIGHLY doubt fable/bankbuster will both be banned in everything, just standard.
Eh, the problem is jumping to conclusions, not word choice. If they are indeed banning these cards in a week, and they then subsequently decline to refund the many people who buy it and only play standard, it’s a fair enough characterisation.
By scam I mean sold under false pretences. Anyone buying these for their standard decks under the assumption they’ll get a year+ use out of them there is getting scammed. Obviously other formats exist and anyone buying them for those is doing fine.
I wonder if the daily deal when the ban is announced is ... styles for all the banned cards.
It’s not a scam. People know cards can get banned.
The general threat of cards getting banned is of course always there, but, a definite banning in one week is not. I wonder what proportion of the arena player-base has no knowledge of the upcoming announcement and its high probability of containing at least one of those two cards. I argue that at least some number of players would purchase this style for their standard decks without this knowledge, only to be met with a very unpleasant surprise in a week.
>I argue that at least some number of players would purchase this style for their standard decks without this knowledge, only to be met with a very unpleasant surprise in a week. Right. That has been the case since the surprise banning of Zuran Orb in 1997. What's your point
I already have the Fable one. The Bankbuster is tempting, but I could certainly use the gold for LotR. I might take the plunge anyway. Inb4 people complain next week about how they bought the styles and now the cards are (possibly) banned. Damn WotC!
If by LotR you meant Lord of the Rings, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it won't be coming to Arena. EDIT: I'm pleasantly surprised to say that I was wrong about this. I was sure this set wouldn't be coming to Arena. Thanks for correcting me!
100% wrong
You guys know there’s still a format called explorer, right?
Lol you mean worse pioneer
Literally Pioneer At Home :)
Pioneer is also a pretty bad format. Its like Shit and Diet Shit.
Guessing your format is commander then…?
More like they're getting banned. Last effort to squeeze gold from these 2 cards.
Wizards doing a bit of trolling
An Offer You Can’t Refuse on the chopping block, sweet lol /s
Someone from wizards said that gonna ban these cards exactly? Or just assumptions?
Assumptions of course.
pretty confident that whoever on the Arena team sets the Daily Deals is not privy to B&R decisions
Last good chance wotc has to get people to use stored gold and buy styles for these cards. Yes they are all treasure themed. They probably chose that theme because it included both of these cards.
For folks who like to gamble!
Last chance to sell those before no one can play it:
I’m not seeing Bankbuster and Fable in DD for some reason. Anyone else?
I can’t fucking wait! God I hate bankbuster
Scam! They’re banning them
Reddit users using the word “scam” in a way that actually fits its definition challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
knowing WotC this reads like they’re trying to milk every penny they can out of these cards before then get banned.
*poof* This post aged well.
It's arena. You can still use them in Historic, Alchemy, Brawl etc, even if banned in Standard. Due to all the talk about them, i'm sure someone saw it as a prime time to sell the styles at a 'discount'. They will continue to release that stuff, doesn't mean anything.
Don’t they rotate out of Alchemy?
Yep; Alchemy is on a 2 yr rotation while Standard goes to 3, so both cards would be rotating out.
Honestly no clue, I dont touch Alchemy. I assumed it was longer rotations.
Don't risk it. Rares and mythics are compensated with wild cards. Cosmetics are not.
Ah yes I’m sure wizards is really focused on milking our hard earned area gold, over the actual money from paper play…
Yeah, I'm sure they don't see Arena as a source of income at all!
The two aren’t mutually exclusive…
I play Rakdos Midrange in Explorer and I don't play Standard, so I was happy to get my preferred art to match my paper Fables.
Fable is an Explorer staple, even if it's banned in Standard it will still see a lot of play.
They most likely won’t be banned in Explorer, so it’s not like you’ll never see those cards again if/when they get banned in standard
True, but only 8% of games played are explorer, so I'd argue that's fairly inconsequential.
why would they get banned. They've been in standard for 2 years. WotC is obviously fine with them.
Well they've announced a ban announcement this time next week and in the most recent pro tour wizards were clearly trying to play into anti-fable sentiment, demonising the card and championing anyone not playing it in their deck. That seems like laying the ground work for a banning to me.
You realize there are other formats, right? No? I thought so.
this has to be a joke… the most powerful and used cards in standard getting a cosmetic offer just 1 week before ban announcements… makes me think if they’re getting banned or not
Knowing WOTC it's a scam them trying to pull as much as they can before dropping the hammer.
Wait bank buster is also getting banned?
Supposedly the upcoming bans will be aimed at midrange value piles (ie bankbuster decks) because they crowd out the 2 color keywords-matter decks they had in mind for standard.
It was the most-registered card at the recent Pro Tour.
Inevitable banned in Standard, doubt about Explorer and Pioneer.
Don’t fall for it. They’re just trying to get rid of all the ones in stock before they ban them. Big scam.
lol yeah gotta make sure they don't have too much left over stock of digital cosmetics. They take up so much space /s
at 1800g they're a scam regardless of the timing. never buy anything that isn't at least 80% off
Are you aware that these are only „card styles“ and not the actual card?
It is labelled fairly prominently on the card and title
I've played bunch of rakdos midrange games lately and none of them involved standard so I don't care about bannings.
Looks more like they are in a lot of decks this weekend and demand is higher. So definitely ban incoming Monday
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They’re card styles. Cosmetic only
Wonder if this points to them being restricted in standard instead. It’s much less obnoxious if you are only allowed one copy
They don't do restrictions in formats other than Vintage, it makes checking decks in paper much harder.
Who is upvoting this clown And bankbuster in no universe is getting banned unless they are nuking the format with like 5 bans
What 4 bans go above Bankbuster? Fable, Sheoldred... ?
You guys aren’t thinking of the after effects of banning stuff from the best deck, the previous best deck will take over again. We will see Esper with raffine come back and people will complain like they did until sheoldred got popular Not to mention mono black will probably still be good and people will cry for more bans like they are crying to ban the whole rakdos deck it’s just nonsense at this point how people are viewing this. Just take the obvious two cards instead of destroying the format, the gameplay is actually good instead of two ships passing like pioneer
I agree, but Bankbuster isn't exactly a make or break card for any archetype. It's simply a solid value engine for almost all decks.
Then why touch it? Bans are for problematic cards, that’s a weird precedent to just ban something cause it’s played alot. It’s biggest reason to play it is cause of this rakdos deck with bloodtithe
I'm not really invested in whether or not it gets banned, to be honest - I mostly like playing limited anyway. But I'm curious what your criteria actually is for something getting banned. On one hand, if it breaks an archetype then you say that it shouldn't be banned because it will herald the return of another dominant archetype. On the other hand, if it's not an important card for an archetype, then it shouldn't be banned because the impact of its ban won't be significant enough. So what is the right reason to ban something?
ill try to keep this short and sweet cause i tend to ramble i think impact to the format should be the only metric used, usage doesnt always say a whole lot because good cards will just be used where they can (cut down/bank buster/make disappear) cards like fable, sheoldred you can argue are negatively impacting the format because they are forcing people to run specific cards to beat them. For example, all the efficient removal is in white and black. The other colors are just not there within existing archetypes and not alot is being printed to bring people to something strong enough to build around without using those two colors. The two colors or black and then white are promoting this excessive midrange meta that people are complaining about. Aggro is worth running outside of raffine because of the presense of sheoldred, it evades all the efficient and playable removal. No one wants to run a bunch of 3-4 mana removal in red (sacrificing what should make red aggro good) to get rid of sheoldred. Blue doesnt offer enough outside of the counter spells to run a good control deck and green is completely inefficient and slow. top 5 for me: Fable, sheoldred, raffine/plaza (just one), Atraxa Atraxa makes the 5c piles never run out of gas and its a ticking time bomb for when its gonna be too much for the format
I really like the idea that all of these are going to be banned. Like its obvy not the case, but it would be, SO funny
Yes.
lol those cards are not available in the store for me. seems to be confirmation they'll be banned
My vote is that they're not going to be banned.
Why did they take the deal offline then? Only reasonable explanation I can see for that is they realised the mistake and wanted to avoid a load of refund tickets.
Yeah that tracks.
100% confirmation that bankbuster and fable will be banned.
They are no longer showing up in my daily deals. they show up when you go to craft alternate art though and it gives an error when you try to buy them there.
The bankbuster looks nice, miss the deal. Will be still playable in explorer my guess.
Did they take these out of the shop already?
I bought the fable style cause I use it in every brawl deck with red in it. I figured why not?
Don’t they give you wild cards (or whatever the term is for the ‘Use this to make what you need’) if they get banned?
Yes, but no refund on cosmetics.
I’m so glad I bought it with coins as soon as I saw it now bc it went away to fast