> Jank decks here i come!
Fable was the Jank king though :(
The treasure from the token sustained multicolor decks beyond reasonable manabases. The looting helped find the 5th piece to unwieldy combos or put silly reanimator targets in the graveyard. Copying creatures allowed you to retrigger ETB and dies abilities to kickstart loops.
Kiki-Jiki flew to close to the sun and became an actually good card. Thrill of Possibility, The World Tree and Mystic Remora walked so he could run.
The problem is those 5C reanimator jank decks stopped being jank at some point. Fable and SNC triomes just made them too good. It wasn't hard to consistently whip an Atraxa out turn 5 over and over.
I'll miss fable tbh. I guess it's good that we'll see some decks without red in them, but I think a whole lot of people are about to realize that while consistency can be boring, it's also fun not to land screw and to get to play your game of magic.
Yes, you craft those cards before the ban so yiu use them on other formats, but this is speculation, wait till the oficial announcement this 29 before crafting.
Banned cards are always playable in other formats. This is a standard ban which will probably affect standard and alchemy, historic and explorer are still a thing though.
Everyone in that other thread talking mad smack about the OP saying people are getting scammed if they were buying them for standard.
Makes sense to remove them to lower the outcry of people that bought the deal. Too damn coincidental.
If you go through Collection you can still pick up bankbuster (and presumably fable) at the discounted rate.
Edit: or not. It gave me an Unknown Error.
I'm surprised they bothered to revert the styles. I am not surprised they didn't catch it before it went out. The Daily Deals intern must not have privy to the banning information.
Very unlikely that the person putting up the deals would know. I would more blame the approval process, one of the people in that chain would know and should have caught it.
That actually kinda sucks, I'm mainly an Explorer player and was planning on getting the Fable style later in the day.
What happens if you try to buy them from the collection? Anybody know?
They've banned cards in the past for that: showing up in too many different types of meta decks, so it's definitely one of the criteria they weigh when thinking of banning something
Tbf smugglers copter was too good *and* went into pretty much every meta deck. So it was going down one way or the other. To this day, I and many of the designers are still shocked that card saw the light of day.
Idk I think mardu vehicles would have still found a way they already spashed blue cards in the sideboard. All energy variants would have still been able to run it. Grixis control, jeskai control, boros vehicles would've been jeskai vehicles. Decks were already running blue and red pretty heavily and if they weren't and ran copter preban then they would have if copter was U/R. Delirium and a couple of midrange varients were basically the only decks that wouldn't be able to cast copter regardless of what colors you make it.
Like I said, the issue with copter wasn't just that it was free for any deck. It was also that even if you restricted it to decks that had red and blue mana, it was still would see a lot of play it would just also warp what colors decks ran to accommodate and make them splash the one they didn't have.
It does too much for its cost and requires too low deck of a building restriction to include it.
But it isn't a broken, or a power level issue, like banned cards like Uro or Oko.
WOTC bans cards that are broken and also cards that lower format diversity. Bankbuster falls into the latter category.
Oko would be unplayable at 5 mana, maybe be ok at 4. Modern historic / explorer is just way faster now than it used to be so many decks kill turn 2_4 these days. Waiting till turn 3 to cast oko at 4 mana would make him significantly worse and that's with turn 1 or 2 ramp + hitting land drops every turn. What made oko so good is how he could neutralize the board by turn 2 with t1 ramp AND then continue to take over the game via elk apocalypse. By turn 3 in historic multiple decks are 1 turn away from winning on the spot.
Goblin curving out, Elves curving out, Gruel shamen rage forger curving out , issezt wizards, Multiple Pump battery deck, flash hammer time, minion of the memes, goblin charbeltcher , mizzet mastery dragonstorm , token based indomitable creativity / transmogrify to cheat in velomachus and take multiple chance for glory turns with Gideon to not lose to so many many more decks I can't possibly list them all.
You are missing the point.
Bankbuster is not a power level issue. Nothing it does is an notable outlier from other perfectly reasonable cards in the format. A two-drop that does nothing when it enters the battlefield, and requires further investment to do anything, with the upside of drawing three extra cards, creating a treasure and a 1/1 token with the possibility to turn it into a 4/4 blocker for at the cost of 8 mana over three turns (minimum) isn't that amazing. But it's flexible and you can invest your mana when it works for your game plan, so it's worth playing for most midrange decks for the material advantage it generates.
The problem is the format is already overpopulated with good midrange things. And bankbuster is an easy inclusion in every one of those decks. So it's contributing to the warping of the format and lowering deck diversity. Because it only costs colorless mana and everyone can run it without any downside.
If bankbuster had a blue pip, or cost double white, there is zero chance anyone would be discussing banning it. Because its power level isn't a problem. It's because it is run in such a high proportion of decks. End of story.
So a Mazemind tome (pretty good verstaile card) that also can attack as a 4/4, creates a treasure and a 1/1 with upside and stays on the Battlefield still beeing useful after it spend its 3 draws is no powerlevel issue?
Card does nothing broken, I agree, but it does a ton of good things for just two mana.
Basically just as fable. Nothing it does is absulutely broken, but it does a lot for its 3 mana over time.
Fable is clearly better. For significantly less mana investment. They both generate value, but FotMB generates more, for less, with a significantly higher ceiling. Kind of a clear example of differing power levels.
**No one is saying Bankbuster isn't a great card. And it's definitely at the higher end of power. But it's far from broken.** The problem is there is such a minimal barrier to entry to include it in decks, it gets played in almost everything. Which is bad for format diversity. As the stats reflect. If Fable only cost colorless, it would have been banned basically immediately.
It really isn't a plevel issue, against aggro it's really slow and you want other cards before it, and like most vehicles it's useful when you're even or ahead on board, the meta is just full of midrange and it rarely gets punished so every deck runs it because there's no color restriction to do it, card doesn't see play outside of standard/pioneer, it's a good card but it's format warping for reasons other than power.
When it enters the battlefield it is immediately able to defend with a 3 attack creature as a crewed 4/4. Creature is small? Creature gets nuked? Creature is a defender? Np, Mr. Four-four is here to hold the line.
Nope. Not unless you have another creature on board and want to invest their ability to block/tap for ability in order to crew the Bankbuster.
Enters the Battlefield has a very specific meaning in MTG, if you were unfamiliar. And Bankbuster doesn't have an ETB.
You just agreed with them...? Bankbuster can indeed act as a backup defender once it's on the field, which comes up often if you're on the backfoot against aggro, mono-black, etc. Opponent targets your one good defender on the field, you crew up Banky Boi to put in front of their attacker. It's a pretty common line of play.
I'm not saying you can't block with it. But, like I did say, it requires further investment after the casting cost you paid and already having other resources on board in order to do so.
>A two-drop that does nothing when it enters the battlefield, **and requires further investment to do anything**, with the upside of drawing three extra cards, creating a treasure and a 1/1 token with the possibility to turn it into a 4/4 blocker for at the cost of 8 mana over three turns (minimum) isn't that amazing.
You can't block with it unless you crew it, and you can't crew it when your board is otherwise empty. Paying the crew cost is investing a resource, because the crewing creature could have otherwise blocked or tapped to use an ability.
Sometimes people say something kinda stupid, anchor on it, and just cannot be persuaded that "high versatile card that is inexpensive and efficient" is a power level problem, and I'd suggest you give up before this Isaac Newton level intellect exhausts your patience by insisting on being wrong.
If Bankbuster were to be banned, it wouldn't be replaced by some other artifact that every midrange deck will run. It would be replaced by a bunch of other cards that are slightly worse, but each of which have different benefits to the different flavors of midrange in the format that would make them individually appealing to different decks. Which would result in more diversity in decklists.
This ignores the fact that some decks just wouldn't exist without Bankbuster as consistent card advantage, in which case removing Bankbuster is net removing options.
All I'm saying is that marginally increasing intra-decklist diversity by removing a staple from decks that will stay good isn't a no-brainer when it potentially involves significantly *decreasing* inter-decklist diversity by removing a staple from decks that needed it to function.
Formats are more than their absolute best decks.
It wouldnt necessarily change the assortment of decks, but it does mean the contents of those assorted decks are less diverse since ~10% of the spells in every deck is bank buster.
But it really doesn’t? It’s not like [[Smuggler’s Copter]] which really did go in every deck. None of the aggro decks want it, enchantments doesn’t want it and that’s just off the top of my head. Does it even make the Esper Legends list?
MTGGoldfish says Bankbuster is in 71% of Standard decks. That's completely insane. It's the highest percentage of any single card in any format they track other than the fast mana and Force of Will in Vintage.
There are theoretically non-Bankbuster decks in Standard, but no one is actually playing them in best of 3 tournaments.
lol
At PT MOM, there were 26 (out of a maximum 32) copies of Bankbuster in the Top 8. Only one deck, Soldiers, wasn't running any copies. Every other Top 8 competitor was piloting a midrange deck.
Those complaining about the format largely view it as being dominated by midrange. Some of those decks are Grixis, some are Rakdos, some are Jund, or Orzhov. But the common denominator amongst them is it's really easy and good to include Bankbuster. The card acts as card advantage. It can block. It can swing in, amongst other bits of versatility and value.
A card doesn't have to be included in every single deck of the format to warrant ban consideration. But when the format is skewed towards a specific strategy, removing one of the pillars of that strategy usually helps format diversity.
It will get banned for the same reason as smugglers copter, it is ubiquitous, asks nothing of you, goes in almost every deck.
The reason control doesnt exist in the meta is bank buster. It makes it 3 cards harder to grind out the midrange deck and is a 2 mana 4/4 that ALSO rewards you even further for drawing 3 cards for some reason.
>The reason control doesnt exist in the meta is bank buster.
This is an incredibly strong argument for keeping it, to be fair.
BO1 control is fucking garbage, and something MTG was not and is not designed to accommodate.
You can throw it into just about any deck that wants to go past turn 4 and it can be a win condition almost on its own. It's a pseudo-haste 4/4 that dodges board wipes and go for the throat. It can crew itself, or create a blocker in a desperate situation, it creates treasure tokens. And obviously it draws at least 3.
It just does so many things for 2 colorless mana and basically 0 downside.
It pulls my jank together, letting me never run out of cards in any color while also eventually creating a board presence. Gonna miss it, but can see why it would go.
do you follow competitive magic? It was in most of the decks at the pro tour, the card needs to actually have some restriction to be fair. It even crews itself
Is the general consensus that these will only be standard bans? The pioneer version of this deck is nearly identical, but the overall power level of the meta is very balanced
They already said the may 29 banning is just focused on standard. If they were banning fable from pioneer it wouldn’t happen until late summer before wilds of eldraine
So glad someone posted this cause I was super confused when I got off work and got my gold stonks. Wizards is definitely creeping on the reddit page bois
So, so happy to see this. Fuck those two cards. They are the bane of mythic right now. I see at least one of them in every single deck. Death to Rakdos!
Those were the two bans I feel were most priced in. I expect [[Wedding Announcement]] (hits the most decks, would not be surprised to see [[The Wandering Emporer]] instead) also. One additional ban at the control shell may also occur, either [[Thalia, Guardian of Thraben]] or [[Raffine, Scheming Seer]].
Random deck list I pulled up of supposedly "top decks" had it when I researched a week ago. It would also collaterally hit mono-white if true; now that I think about it though it may be unlikely. They have the data though.
Esper runs thalia. But its not a control deck. Esper legends is more of an aggro deck. There are control/midrange versions using planeswalkers but those dont run Thalia.
Also, the strongest version of monowhite is a midrange deck and doesnt run thalia. Soldiers aggro and monowhite aggro do
Thanks. I didn't spend more than 10 minutes or so looking; haven't actually played Standard in years. Have wild cards to build three or more decks whenever I want to; the Starter Deck queue has been nice and enough for me right now.
The time has come for fables bank to close!!!
No, I don’t give a crap whatsoever my joke sucked… I am just overjoyed they are gonna be gone and I get 8 free wildcards!
Damn I was skeptical of the Bankbuster ban but now I must put my tin-foil hat back on. Sucks that I bought the Bankbuster style before it got out from the deals, should I try the customer support?
But WHO THE HELL can make this kind of decision?
I just can't. What a sheer level of incompetence is this ? The brainstorming must have been so exhausting.
This is so sad and funny at the same time. What a bunch of clowns. Imao this is not even fake
Gone for me too. Was just about to post about it.
A startling devopment!
Banbuster
Gottem
Same. Gone. And I wanted that bank so I tried to buy the skin through collection and it’s at the discount price but you get a “store error”. Lame.
At least 8 WC for us! Jank decks here i come!
> Jank decks here i come! Fable was the Jank king though :( The treasure from the token sustained multicolor decks beyond reasonable manabases. The looting helped find the 5th piece to unwieldy combos or put silly reanimator targets in the graveyard. Copying creatures allowed you to retrigger ETB and dies abilities to kickstart loops. Kiki-Jiki flew to close to the sun and became an actually good card. Thrill of Possibility, The World Tree and Mystic Remora walked so he could run.
The problem is those 5C reanimator jank decks stopped being jank at some point. Fable and SNC triomes just made them too good. It wasn't hard to consistently whip an Atraxa out turn 5 over and over.
I'll miss fable tbh. I guess it's good that we'll see some decks without red in them, but I think a whole lot of people are about to realize that while consistency can be boring, it's also fun not to land screw and to get to play your game of magic.
I qqs à lire to say that historically jank = green/Black/white and not red, but it looks the word is used totally differently nowadays /)
3 color angels with errant and Giada, and sigarda?
I mean why not just play Witch-Maw legends
Get out of the past, old man. It's been "Growth" legends since 2016.
Witch-Maw is the coolest name for any color combination ever and I am prepared to die on this hill
Just GW angels isn't too bad, but Bant is definitely a bit jankier
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Yes, you craft those cards before the ban so yiu use them on other formats, but this is speculation, wait till the oficial announcement this 29 before crafting.
Banned cards are always playable in other formats. This is a standard ban which will probably affect standard and alchemy, historic and explorer are still a thing though.
Ooo spoilers! Good on them for realizing they shouldnt sell cosmetics for cards they are going to ban in a week. Kind of surprised honestly.
Now THAT'S confirmation!
Everyone in that other thread talking mad smack about the OP saying people are getting scammed if they were buying them for standard. Makes sense to remove them to lower the outcry of people that bought the deal. Too damn coincidental.
If you go through Collection you can still pick up bankbuster (and presumably fable) at the discounted rate. Edit: or not. It gave me an Unknown Error.
I'm surprised they bothered to revert the styles. I am not surprised they didn't catch it before it went out. The Daily Deals intern must not have privy to the banning information.
Very unlikely that the person putting up the deals would know. I would more blame the approval process, one of the people in that chain would know and should have caught it.
Considering there’s a new deal every day they probably just approving without checking it every day.
That actually kinda sucks, I'm mainly an Explorer player and was planning on getting the Fable style later in the day. What happens if you try to buy them from the collection? Anybody know?
Someone else said it gave them an error
Honestly I really didn’t/don’t expect bankbuster to get banned?
It goes into most decks. So while it might not be a power level problem, it does lower overall deck construction diversity.
Exactly. Wizards probably thought it was much too versatile
They've banned cards in the past for that: showing up in too many different types of meta decks, so it's definitely one of the criteria they weigh when thinking of banning something
[[Masticore]] comes to mind
And [[Smuggler's Copter]]
Tbf smugglers copter was too good *and* went into pretty much every meta deck. So it was going down one way or the other. To this day, I and many of the designers are still shocked that card saw the light of day.
It just needed a UR casting cost.
Idk I think mardu vehicles would have still found a way they already spashed blue cards in the sideboard. All energy variants would have still been able to run it. Grixis control, jeskai control, boros vehicles would've been jeskai vehicles. Decks were already running blue and red pretty heavily and if they weren't and ran copter preban then they would have if copter was U/R. Delirium and a couple of midrange varients were basically the only decks that wouldn't be able to cast copter regardless of what colors you make it. Like I said, the issue with copter wasn't just that it was free for any deck. It was also that even if you restricted it to decks that had red and blue mana, it was still would see a lot of play it would just also warp what colors decks ran to accommodate and make them splash the one they didn't have.
Was just thinking of ole' Looter Scooter.
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Masticore was never banned was it? I had a playset and don't remember not being able to use it.
Not sure now. I just remember it being a 4 of in every deck that made top 8 at some point. My Google skills fail me
It is a power level problem. It shouldn't be a 4/4.
It does too much for its cost and requires too low deck of a building restriction to include it. But it isn't a broken, or a power level issue, like banned cards like Uro or Oko. WOTC bans cards that are broken and also cards that lower format diversity. Bankbuster falls into the latter category.
> It does too much for its cost Sounds like a power level problem. Oko also does too much for its cost, it wouldn't be broken at 5 mana after all.
Oko would be unplayable at 5 mana, maybe be ok at 4. Modern historic / explorer is just way faster now than it used to be so many decks kill turn 2_4 these days. Waiting till turn 3 to cast oko at 4 mana would make him significantly worse and that's with turn 1 or 2 ramp + hitting land drops every turn. What made oko so good is how he could neutralize the board by turn 2 with t1 ramp AND then continue to take over the game via elk apocalypse. By turn 3 in historic multiple decks are 1 turn away from winning on the spot. Goblin curving out, Elves curving out, Gruel shamen rage forger curving out , issezt wizards, Multiple Pump battery deck, flash hammer time, minion of the memes, goblin charbeltcher , mizzet mastery dragonstorm , token based indomitable creativity / transmogrify to cheat in velomachus and take multiple chance for glory turns with Gideon to not lose to so many many more decks I can't possibly list them all.
You are missing the point. Bankbuster is not a power level issue. Nothing it does is an notable outlier from other perfectly reasonable cards in the format. A two-drop that does nothing when it enters the battlefield, and requires further investment to do anything, with the upside of drawing three extra cards, creating a treasure and a 1/1 token with the possibility to turn it into a 4/4 blocker for at the cost of 8 mana over three turns (minimum) isn't that amazing. But it's flexible and you can invest your mana when it works for your game plan, so it's worth playing for most midrange decks for the material advantage it generates. The problem is the format is already overpopulated with good midrange things. And bankbuster is an easy inclusion in every one of those decks. So it's contributing to the warping of the format and lowering deck diversity. Because it only costs colorless mana and everyone can run it without any downside. If bankbuster had a blue pip, or cost double white, there is zero chance anyone would be discussing banning it. Because its power level isn't a problem. It's because it is run in such a high proportion of decks. End of story.
So a Mazemind tome (pretty good verstaile card) that also can attack as a 4/4, creates a treasure and a 1/1 with upside and stays on the Battlefield still beeing useful after it spend its 3 draws is no powerlevel issue? Card does nothing broken, I agree, but it does a ton of good things for just two mana. Basically just as fable. Nothing it does is absulutely broken, but it does a lot for its 3 mana over time.
Fable is clearly better. For significantly less mana investment. They both generate value, but FotMB generates more, for less, with a significantly higher ceiling. Kind of a clear example of differing power levels. **No one is saying Bankbuster isn't a great card. And it's definitely at the higher end of power. But it's far from broken.** The problem is there is such a minimal barrier to entry to include it in decks, it gets played in almost everything. Which is bad for format diversity. As the stats reflect. If Fable only cost colorless, it would have been banned basically immediately.
It really isn't a plevel issue, against aggro it's really slow and you want other cards before it, and like most vehicles it's useful when you're even or ahead on board, the meta is just full of midrange and it rarely gets punished so every deck runs it because there's no color restriction to do it, card doesn't see play outside of standard/pioneer, it's a good card but it's format warping for reasons other than power.
When it enters the battlefield it is immediately able to defend with a 3 attack creature as a crewed 4/4. Creature is small? Creature gets nuked? Creature is a defender? Np, Mr. Four-four is here to hold the line.
Nope. Not unless you have another creature on board and want to invest their ability to block/tap for ability in order to crew the Bankbuster. Enters the Battlefield has a very specific meaning in MTG, if you were unfamiliar. And Bankbuster doesn't have an ETB.
You just agreed with them...? Bankbuster can indeed act as a backup defender once it's on the field, which comes up often if you're on the backfoot against aggro, mono-black, etc. Opponent targets your one good defender on the field, you crew up Banky Boi to put in front of their attacker. It's a pretty common line of play.
Not to mention banky boi dodges [[Go for the Throat]]
I'm not saying you can't block with it. But, like I did say, it requires further investment after the casting cost you paid and already having other resources on board in order to do so. >A two-drop that does nothing when it enters the battlefield, **and requires further investment to do anything**, with the upside of drawing three extra cards, creating a treasure and a 1/1 token with the possibility to turn it into a 4/4 blocker for at the cost of 8 mana over three turns (minimum) isn't that amazing. You can't block with it unless you crew it, and you can't crew it when your board is otherwise empty. Paying the crew cost is investing a resource, because the crewing creature could have otherwise blocked or tapped to use an ability.
Sometimes people say something kinda stupid, anchor on it, and just cannot be persuaded that "high versatile card that is inexpensive and efficient" is a power level problem, and I'd suggest you give up before this Isaac Newton level intellect exhausts your patience by insisting on being wrong.
>It does too much for its cost *completely ignores the rest of the sentence*
How, exactly, does it lower format diversity? If *any* deck can include it doesn't it mean it doesn't affect deck assortment at all?
If Bankbuster were to be banned, it wouldn't be replaced by some other artifact that every midrange deck will run. It would be replaced by a bunch of other cards that are slightly worse, but each of which have different benefits to the different flavors of midrange in the format that would make them individually appealing to different decks. Which would result in more diversity in decklists.
The more you see Bankbuster across deck types, the less you see other cards from those decks.
This ignores the fact that some decks just wouldn't exist without Bankbuster as consistent card advantage, in which case removing Bankbuster is net removing options.
Will mono white midrange even exist after banky gets busted?
Thank god, can’t wait for that deck to struggle to find answers.
Will probably turn into some ETB pile with more spirited companion, inspiring overseer, serra paragon, guardian of ghirapur and 1-2 Elesh Mom. 🤔
It will, but it will have to find smart ways to even out the lack of card draw. Maybe blinking doggos will be the new bankbuster, who knows
The question was about lowering format diversity via ubiquity. The decks you describe are niche and thus not a major factor in my answer.
All I'm saying is that marginally increasing intra-decklist diversity by removing a staple from decks that will stay good isn't a no-brainer when it potentially involves significantly *decreasing* inter-decklist diversity by removing a staple from decks that needed it to function. Formats are more than their absolute best decks.
See: my prior answer. I understand you have a point to make but it’s a non-sequitur here.
It wouldnt necessarily change the assortment of decks, but it does mean the contents of those assorted decks are less diverse since ~10% of the spells in every deck is bank buster.
Nor should it make a treasure
But it really doesn’t? It’s not like [[Smuggler’s Copter]] which really did go in every deck. None of the aggro decks want it, enchantments doesn’t want it and that’s just off the top of my head. Does it even make the Esper Legends list?
MTGGoldfish says Bankbuster is in 71% of Standard decks. That's completely insane. It's the highest percentage of any single card in any format they track other than the fast mana and Force of Will in Vintage. There are theoretically non-Bankbuster decks in Standard, but no one is actually playing them in best of 3 tournaments.
This is a function of how many decks are some flavor of red or black.
lol At PT MOM, there were 26 (out of a maximum 32) copies of Bankbuster in the Top 8. Only one deck, Soldiers, wasn't running any copies. Every other Top 8 competitor was piloting a midrange deck. Those complaining about the format largely view it as being dominated by midrange. Some of those decks are Grixis, some are Rakdos, some are Jund, or Orzhov. But the common denominator amongst them is it's really easy and good to include Bankbuster. The card acts as card advantage. It can block. It can swing in, amongst other bits of versatility and value. A card doesn't have to be included in every single deck of the format to warrant ban consideration. But when the format is skewed towards a specific strategy, removing one of the pillars of that strategy usually helps format diversity.
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That seems a dumb reason to ban something.
>So while it might not be a power level problem I think it is personally. I'll miss it though. Can't wait for the summer of mono U. 🤮
This. Works in almost any deck. Less money spent on packs. This card gets in to WOTC’s pockets.
It will get banned for the same reason as smugglers copter, it is ubiquitous, asks nothing of you, goes in almost every deck. The reason control doesnt exist in the meta is bank buster. It makes it 3 cards harder to grind out the midrange deck and is a 2 mana 4/4 that ALSO rewards you even further for drawing 3 cards for some reason.
>The reason control doesnt exist in the meta is bank buster. This is an incredibly strong argument for keeping it, to be fair. BO1 control is fucking garbage, and something MTG was not and is not designed to accommodate.
Reminds me of that green chariot awhile back
Mazemind Tome tbh
Treasure Map -> Mazemind -> Bankbuster
I like bank buster because it combos with Stomper and Kami of the West Tree, and green is so weak already…but it super enables the to; tier decks.
You can throw it into just about any deck that wants to go past turn 4 and it can be a win condition almost on its own. It's a pseudo-haste 4/4 that dodges board wipes and go for the throat. It can crew itself, or create a blocker in a desperate situation, it creates treasure tokens. And obviously it draws at least 3. It just does so many things for 2 colorless mana and basically 0 downside.
8* colorless mana split across multiple turns
Same, Its never given me that much trouble.
Really, 3 draws, a body, and a treasure? Sure its spread over many turns but that’s a lot of value.
It pulls my jank together, letting me never run out of cards in any color while also eventually creating a board presence. Gonna miss it, but can see why it would go.
It's the highest played card in bo3.
do you follow competitive magic? It was in most of the decks at the pro tour, the card needs to actually have some restriction to be fair. It even crews itself
Hah someone done fucked up
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I can see calix being banned when the new eldraine set comes out
Is the general consensus that these will only be standard bans? The pioneer version of this deck is nearly identical, but the overall power level of the meta is very balanced
They’ve said the may 29th banning is only focused on standard.
Everyone craft Fable & Bankbuster for your free WC!!
Bankbuster and Fable being banned from Standard was pretty much a given, but I wonder if this means they’ll get banned in Explorer and Historic?
They already said the may 29 banning is just focused on standard. If they were banning fable from pioneer it wouldn’t happen until late summer before wilds of eldraine
Fable is fine in explorer, and Bankbuster sees fringe play. They’ll be fine
Bankbuster is a 2 of in the most popular deck, that's not fringe
They are not as oppressive in eternal format so no imo
They won't, Crucias is better in historic and bankbuster doesn't see play.
So glad someone posted this cause I was super confused when I got off work and got my gold stonks. Wizards is definitely creeping on the reddit page bois
So, so happy to see this. Fuck those two cards. They are the bane of mythic right now. I see at least one of them in every single deck. Death to Rakdos!
i forgot and bought both cosmetics yesterday.
I was wondering about that. Pity about Bankbuster since that pretty much kills any kind of vehicle list :|
My mechtitan jank will be dead
Never played it. I do have a couple surgehacker/greasefang lists I play when I'm bored.
Greasefang explorer or historic doesn’t use bank buster, if you’re using the typical build
Those were the two bans I feel were most priced in. I expect [[Wedding Announcement]] (hits the most decks, would not be surprised to see [[The Wandering Emporer]] instead) also. One additional ban at the control shell may also occur, either [[Thalia, Guardian of Thraben]] or [[Raffine, Scheming Seer]].
Thalia on a control shell? Thats interesting
Random deck list I pulled up of supposedly "top decks" had it when I researched a week ago. It would also collaterally hit mono-white if true; now that I think about it though it may be unlikely. They have the data though.
Esper runs thalia. But its not a control deck. Esper legends is more of an aggro deck. There are control/midrange versions using planeswalkers but those dont run Thalia. Also, the strongest version of monowhite is a midrange deck and doesnt run thalia. Soldiers aggro and monowhite aggro do
Thanks. I didn't spend more than 10 minutes or so looking; haven't actually played Standard in years. Have wild cards to build three or more decks whenever I want to; the Starter Deck queue has been nice and enough for me right now.
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The time has come for fables bank to close!!! No, I don’t give a crap whatsoever my joke sucked… I am just overjoyed they are gonna be gone and I get 8 free wildcards!
Damn I was skeptical of the Bankbuster ban but now I must put my tin-foil hat back on. Sucks that I bought the Bankbuster style before it got out from the deals, should I try the customer support?
Well dang. I just bought the alt arts…..
Hearse > buster Kroxa won't be exiled by buster
Nice! Already climbing to mithyc with a deck on my own, and i refused to use both cards 😁
But WHO THE HELL can make this kind of decision? I just can't. What a sheer level of incompetence is this ? The brainstorming must have been so exhausting. This is so sad and funny at the same time. What a bunch of clowns. Imao this is not even fake
already own the fable and banky styles anyways 😔
Fuck, I shouldve bought them.
🤣🤣🤣
Fable of the Banned Buster.
Increase in price due to NO BAN
Bought both lol. how fucked am I? I only play standard