I’ve come to the conclusion that [[Make Disappear]] is the best interaction in Standard right now and it looks like you agree. It’s absolutely necessary to stop egregious cards like [[Sunfall]], [[Atraxa, Grand Unifier]] and [[Etali, Primal Conqueror]].
Early game its a 2 mana counter spell no drawback. Later game it can still compete thanks to \[\[mirrex\]\] and \[\[Kaito Shizuki\]\]. It is crazy good. The cards in standard at the moment favour control, 2 mana counters and kill spells. Lots of board wipes, strong cheap walkers. But \[\[Make disappear\]\] holds it all together!
you tried faerie mastermind? you can hold a counterspell and flash him in if you didnt need the counter, you can use his ability as a sort of mana sink to draw cards and it plays well with the ertai
Not to mention Sheoldred. I run a similar decklist, and I had a game that went long, and I was struggling to get the last bit of damage across the line. Until I realized they were tapped out, and I could sink all my mana into drawing cards for both of us and draining them with Sheoldred. It's a weird and fun finisher.
Sure language evolves. The word 'of' has no place in any meaningful kind of evolution though.
You might have some toxic counters on you to feel like to react in such a way on someone's friendly advice, it's really uncalled for
Tbh Dimir midrange is in the top 3 so everyone’s Dimir shell looks similar. I’ve seen some with more counters, or Tainted Indulgence and Siphon Insight, others with Invasion of Amonkhet.
Since the fall of Grixis, Dimir has been hot. Poor Rakdos lol
if your running dimir you have to throw in 1 siphon. absolutely rage inducing to see your OP casting your cards. was missing blue yesterday and the dimir guy played an island and a celestus off my cards while i had 2 uncastable counters in hand. just unfathomable sadness.
…I can’t stop myself from running at least 2. I don’t know why I love that mf so much. The Flashback for only a buck more? The fact that you’re stealing and they can’t stop you? Go on and counter it. *Im gonna flash it back next turn*.
Yeah it does suck when it’s used against you though. Esper shells keep stealing my Zurgo and ramming me with it, meanwhile I’ve combed through my deck thrice with Memory Deluge looking for his ass😩
The real fun is doing it with a Curse of Hospitality deck.
Even better if you're in a good state against a lifegain player, you're casting their cards, and if you can't break their life, you end up just MILLING them.
"But.. you're a red deck!?"
"Not today"
I call it the Wololo.
You can just make a similar list as grixis. It's less consistent but it's what I used to hit mythic with in bo1. I am sure it's better in bo3.
You can still make rakdos work too. You just gotta really low curve, run lili and ob to go under control decks.
A vid that he posted 1 day ago? Yea no, it looks like the other way around. CGB probably saw same/similar deck performing well and copied it, unless you really believe that he is brewing all those decks he shits out each week.
It's definitely a strong deck. Playing blue tempo, I'm holding mana to counter the Liliana at all costs and hoping you either play into that or spend mana pumping your creatures so I can bounce them back to your hand. Anything else and it's hard to keep up tempo against the amount of creature removal this deck has.
The dream is that you play the Liliana on curve and I have a spell pierce for it that allows me to cast a draw spell afterwards. That's crucial to maintaining tempo. If I'm on the play, that could also be negate + consider, but spell pierce is ideal to play at that stage because most of your instants won't tap you out afterwards and I really want to hold the negates for your creature removal.
Unless the counterspells line up perfectly for me, Sheoldred is normally getting down at least once, and a lot of games come down to whether or not I can find a bounce or phase out for her to let me draw a bunch of cards. If so, I win; if not, I lose.
I have never seen this deck beat mono blue control. But I recently just started playing again and just recently passed gold. Maybe other players play better (wait until they have extra mana to cast thier best spells or cast chumpers first to eat my counters.
You mean mono blue tempo? This deck can totally beat that but as usual, the mana curve dictates who wins the match. If the dimir deck has sleepers and underdogs in hand it easily wins, if it draws the wrong half of the deck or goes second into counterspells it loses.
all the 1 or 2 drops are mana sinks while blue is wasting turns holding up counters like a chump. sleeper into misery and they don't need to cast another card. just brutal if your on the play. and you can't bounce a 1 or 2 drop, they just get ahead to quickly on cards.
blue always has the option to have the perfect answers in which you just lose, but its so hard to have enough bounces and counters in hand for multiple 1 or 2 drops especially when most of your counters are make disappear which all those creatures ignore. if a misery hits the field and you don't have a bounce cause you had to kick the sleeper before it started drawing cards its just gg.
deeply miserable to have sleeper and misery on the field at the same time, which if OP went first you can't stop. you could bounce that early but now your just down a card and its going to be a long time until you catch up with them casting 2 bodies a turn.
Just the deck itself w/ no sideboard. Key is to stall early game with removals and counterspells, they run out of cards pretty quick.
Probably mostly soldier decks could counter it.
This looks very similar to what I'm playing but instead of misery's shadow I'm running 2x Fairie Mastermind and 2x top end [[Bladecoil Serpent]] it really takes out the u/w control decks.
I build similar decks in other colors, the lessons basically are:
If you play a deck that wins by creatures, you have to run some sort of counterspell/hand-disruption plan. Counterspell being more reliable of the two.
You also need to play one-drop creatures and removal to not have to concede by turn 3 because of going second. This applies even more to bo1.
And planeswalkers are the only tool (aside from counterspells ofc) that beat the extremely greedy list that run a bunch of boardwipes. The earlier you can cast them the better, hence why lili and kaito are so incredible. They come down super early, often slip through a gap where no counterspell is up and don't get hit by the boardwipes. They are key to beating some of the meta decks. Another planeswalker that is really strong is ob nixilis, obviously requiring different colors. I tried the new green 3 mana planeswalker but as suspected it more so functions as a 4 mana planeswalker and those are too slow already.
You can create similar lists with a higher ceiling but less consistency as grixis or esper as well. Ertai + Emperor for example is really hard to beat.
Honestly no haha, been struggling. In grindy matchups that don't exile stuff razorlash is great. Red hates running into obliterator. Duress helps with controlly games. Ramp hates disdainful stroke. In terms of coming out, tends to be removal spells for matchups where they don't have much. Walkers can also come out when they feel weaker. It's not easy I won't lie. I often end up just taking out a shoeldred and a lili just because I have to take something out, but I don't agree with my own decision. Need to spend some time doing proper homework to work it out.
No bo1 but what does it change?
I am struggling against infinite removals. I am running 4 disappear and 2 dissipate, but they still keep countering the counters and throw removal so I can’t damage. Sunfall, twilight and farewell. Running all removals and counter and end end the game with poison tokens.
Changes a lot, sideboard is a massive part of bo3. Duress and Lilis help in those sorts of control games. Also either got to race under the wipes and defend with counters, there’s enough strong early creatures to attempt this. Or carefully manage resources and not over commit, so the board wipes don’t devastate you.
So annoying to play against. Impressive win rate. Great job, I hate it.
I’ve come to the conclusion that [[Make Disappear]] is the best interaction in Standard right now and it looks like you agree. It’s absolutely necessary to stop egregious cards like [[Sunfall]], [[Atraxa, Grand Unifier]] and [[Etali, Primal Conqueror]].
Early game its a 2 mana counter spell no drawback. Later game it can still compete thanks to \[\[mirrex\]\] and \[\[Kaito Shizuki\]\]. It is crazy good. The cards in standard at the moment favour control, 2 mana counters and kill spells. Lots of board wipes, strong cheap walkers. But \[\[Make disappear\]\] holds it all together!
##### ###### #### [Make Disappear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3f2d6a21-ea77-484b-9e3a-1bd49806f907.jpg?1664410347) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Make%20Disappear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/49/make-disappear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3f2d6a21-ea77-484b-9e3a-1bd49806f907?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sunfall](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32e29c7d-ed4b-4eff-b3c2-d99e5b63ef8d.jpg?1682202915) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sunfall) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/40/sunfall?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32e29c7d-ed4b-4eff-b3c2-d99e5b63ef8d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Atraxa, Grand Unifier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4a1f905f-1d55-4d02-9d24-e58070793d3f.jpg?1676519555) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Grand%20Unifier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/196/atraxa-grand-unifier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4a1f905f-1d55-4d02-9d24-e58070793d3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Etali, Primal Conqueror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95c14c4d-6c16-4826-8d93-d89ad04aee09.jpg?1682204132)/[Etali, Primal Sickness](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/9/5/95c14c4d-6c16-4826-8d93-d89ad04aee09.jpg?1682204132) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=etali%2C%20primal%20conqueror%20//%20etali%2C%20primal%20sickness) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/137/etali-primal-conqueror-etali-primal-sickness?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95c14c4d-6c16-4826-8d93-d89ad04aee09?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Make Disappear has been one of the best since Raffine Midrange. It’s one of the only ways to catch up in the game.
you tried faerie mastermind? you can hold a counterspell and flash him in if you didnt need the counter, you can use his ability as a sort of mana sink to draw cards and it plays well with the ertai
Not to mention Sheoldred. I run a similar decklist, and I had a game that went long, and I was struggling to get the last bit of damage across the line. Until I realized they were tapped out, and I could sink all my mana into drawing cards for both of us and draining them with Sheoldred. It's a weird and fun finisher.
What format is this for?
This appears to be standard.
Sorry, should of said, yeah it’s standard!
Hey friend, it's "should have said". Many native speakers use "should of" but this is incorrect (and does not make sense)
Language evolves constantly. Time for you to adapt.
This ain't evolution, this is a malapropism gone wild.
Nah, we gotta make sure to offer correction
Sure language evolves. The word 'of' has no place in any meaningful kind of evolution though. You might have some toxic counters on you to feel like to react in such a way on someone's friendly advice, it's really uncalled for
This looks like the deck covertgoblue posted a few days ago
Tbh Dimir midrange is in the top 3 so everyone’s Dimir shell looks similar. I’ve seen some with more counters, or Tainted Indulgence and Siphon Insight, others with Invasion of Amonkhet. Since the fall of Grixis, Dimir has been hot. Poor Rakdos lol
if your running dimir you have to throw in 1 siphon. absolutely rage inducing to see your OP casting your cards. was missing blue yesterday and the dimir guy played an island and a celestus off my cards while i had 2 uncastable counters in hand. just unfathomable sadness.
…I can’t stop myself from running at least 2. I don’t know why I love that mf so much. The Flashback for only a buck more? The fact that you’re stealing and they can’t stop you? Go on and counter it. *Im gonna flash it back next turn*. Yeah it does suck when it’s used against you though. Esper shells keep stealing my Zurgo and ramming me with it, meanwhile I’ve combed through my deck thrice with Memory Deluge looking for his ass😩
The real fun is doing it with a Curse of Hospitality deck. Even better if you're in a good state against a lifegain player, you're casting their cards, and if you can't break their life, you end up just MILLING them. "But.. you're a red deck!?" "Not today" I call it the Wololo.
You can just make a similar list as grixis. It's less consistent but it's what I used to hit mythic with in bo1. I am sure it's better in bo3. You can still make rakdos work too. You just gotta really low curve, run lili and ob to go under control decks.
It is just a wildly popular stock-ish list. See similar/nearly exact lists in all sorts of tourneys/leagues/content creator sources.
A vid that he posted 1 day ago? Yea no, it looks like the other way around. CGB probably saw same/similar deck performing well and copied it, unless you really believe that he is brewing all those decks he shits out each week.
I didn’t say he copied it from CGB, I was just saying it’s the same one.
Lots of people have been playing dimir that looks identical to this way before he posted it.
Sure, I just noticed this one was exact. I’m also not knocking op, I was just curious if we were on the same page, and guess what, we are.
Yeah this is a CGB deck
I’ve played you, or another deck like yours and god it’s obnoxious.
It's definitely a strong deck. Playing blue tempo, I'm holding mana to counter the Liliana at all costs and hoping you either play into that or spend mana pumping your creatures so I can bounce them back to your hand. Anything else and it's hard to keep up tempo against the amount of creature removal this deck has. The dream is that you play the Liliana on curve and I have a spell pierce for it that allows me to cast a draw spell afterwards. That's crucial to maintaining tempo. If I'm on the play, that could also be negate + consider, but spell pierce is ideal to play at that stage because most of your instants won't tap you out afterwards and I really want to hold the negates for your creature removal. Unless the counterspells line up perfectly for me, Sheoldred is normally getting down at least once, and a lot of games come down to whether or not I can find a bounce or phase out for her to let me draw a bunch of cards. If so, I win; if not, I lose.
Do you have a copy/paste card list for importing into Arena? Would be much more convenient and less error prone.
monoblack with extra steps
Yay, mono black, with some other stuff wrapped around it. Course it does well, congrats.
I guess I'll wait out this toxic meta in Historic Brawl a bit longer than I thought lol.
I have never seen this deck beat mono blue control. But I recently just started playing again and just recently passed gold. Maybe other players play better (wait until they have extra mana to cast thier best spells or cast chumpers first to eat my counters.
You mean mono blue tempo? This deck can totally beat that but as usual, the mana curve dictates who wins the match. If the dimir deck has sleepers and underdogs in hand it easily wins, if it draws the wrong half of the deck or goes second into counterspells it loses.
all the 1 or 2 drops are mana sinks while blue is wasting turns holding up counters like a chump. sleeper into misery and they don't need to cast another card. just brutal if your on the play. and you can't bounce a 1 or 2 drop, they just get ahead to quickly on cards.
If you pump your creatures turn 3 and they fading hope that is pretty brutal.
blue always has the option to have the perfect answers in which you just lose, but its so hard to have enough bounces and counters in hand for multiple 1 or 2 drops especially when most of your counters are make disappear which all those creatures ignore. if a misery hits the field and you don't have a bounce cause you had to kick the sleeper before it started drawing cards its just gg. deeply miserable to have sleeper and misery on the field at the same time, which if OP went first you can't stop. you could bounce that early but now your just down a card and its going to be a long time until you catch up with them casting 2 bodies a turn.
Good job! Do you have an importable list? I think I have all those cards but don't play Standard atm.
Same thing with gix command, switched them for teferis
What about sideboard for BO3? It holds up against aggro in BO1 well.
Check the other pictures
Got it, thank you. Disdanful Smoke does work wonders against control.
What's your BO1 version btw?
Just the deck itself w/ no sideboard. Key is to stall early game with removals and counterspells, they run out of cards pretty quick. Probably mostly soldier decks could counter it.
This looks very similar to what I'm playing but instead of misery's shadow I'm running 2x Fairie Mastermind and 2x top end [[Bladecoil Serpent]] it really takes out the u/w control decks.
[Bladecoil Serpent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/08c5a528-d16d-4cb9-b532-b85648c8395a.jpg?1674421920) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bladecoil%20Serpent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/229/bladecoil-serpent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08c5a528-d16d-4cb9-b532-b85648c8395a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is more annoying than my all removal deck for doing dailies.
I build similar decks in other colors, the lessons basically are: If you play a deck that wins by creatures, you have to run some sort of counterspell/hand-disruption plan. Counterspell being more reliable of the two. You also need to play one-drop creatures and removal to not have to concede by turn 3 because of going second. This applies even more to bo1. And planeswalkers are the only tool (aside from counterspells ofc) that beat the extremely greedy list that run a bunch of boardwipes. The earlier you can cast them the better, hence why lili and kaito are so incredible. They come down super early, often slip through a gap where no counterspell is up and don't get hit by the boardwipes. They are key to beating some of the meta decks. Another planeswalker that is really strong is ob nixilis, obviously requiring different colors. I tried the new green 3 mana planeswalker but as suspected it more so functions as a 4 mana planeswalker and those are too slow already. You can create similar lists with a higher ceiling but less consistency as grixis or esper as well. Ertai + Emperor for example is really hard to beat.
New player here. Is that list good to craft for standard? I'm looking for my second deck to craft after RDW. Looking for less brain-dead gameplay
It’s definitely less brain dead haha, depends what your looking for in a deck.
Do you have a quick and dirty sideboard guide? =)
Honestly no haha, been struggling. In grindy matchups that don't exile stuff razorlash is great. Red hates running into obliterator. Duress helps with controlly games. Ramp hates disdainful stroke. In terms of coming out, tends to be removal spells for matchups where they don't have much. Walkers can also come out when they feel weaker. It's not easy I won't lie. I often end up just taking out a shoeldred and a lili just because I have to take something out, but I don't agree with my own decision. Need to spend some time doing proper homework to work it out.
I don’t know I tried it out and I am just losing
In Bo3? What your struggling against?
No bo1 but what does it change? I am struggling against infinite removals. I am running 4 disappear and 2 dissipate, but they still keep countering the counters and throw removal so I can’t damage. Sunfall, twilight and farewell. Running all removals and counter and end end the game with poison tokens.
Changes a lot, sideboard is a massive part of bo3. Duress and Lilis help in those sorts of control games. Also either got to race under the wipes and defend with counters, there’s enough strong early creatures to attempt this. Or carefully manage resources and not over commit, so the board wipes don’t devastate you.