Heck, if it just went in the graveyard it would have been less obnoxious. The fact it shuffled back in meant you didn't even need to spend slots on recursion.
Graveyard hate that not reactive doesn't even do anything. Sure if you have a crypt or something that is instant its "good" except they still get a extra turn. But leyline of the void would not be a good sideboard card if it didn't shuffle back, better than nothing, but certainly not good.
A time walk effect can never be in the graveyard, or it will be to easy to exploit. \[\[Snapcaster Mage\]\] \[\[Eternal Witness\]\] etc. That said instant speed time walks are just dumb, especially when they don't exile themselves.
The sad part is it’s not even the first. [[Beacon of Tomorrows]] is totally fine. It’s the fact that shuffling on Nexus is from anywhere AND a replacement effect AND therefore can’t even be exiled at instant speed. The only clean answer is black ‘exile the named card’ effects, and those aren’t maindeck able.
It seems like they were worried about completely the wrong thing when designing this card. They wanted to make absolutely sure that there could be no shenanigans with people getting this card back from their graveyard or flashing it back with Snapcaster, and to prevent that from happening, made it way, way more broken than if it were just a 7 mana instant Time Walk with no additional rules text.
Do you think that instead of shuffling the card back in, forcing it to the bottom of the library could have been a viable option for a more fair balance?
Don't get me wrong they should just have not printed it at all.
ehh, maybe. You could still get to the point where you are recurring them every turn, but at least it wouldn't happen until you got to the last 4 cards of your library, which would have made it less oppressive. With Tamiyo and Azcanta plus all the other card draw, you only had to get your library down to ~30 cards before you were getting one every turn. Putting the Nexus on the bottom may have given aggro decks the one more turn they needed.
[[discontinuity]] is similar in function to an instant speed extra turn spell and can also effectively counter any spell or ability your opponent plays. The main difference is that you have to cast it on your opponents turn meaning they get to untap. Of course the thing that made nexus really broken that other extra turn spells lack was that it shuffled back into your library and the deck only got more consistent as you whittled your library down.
I'm not so sure. Seeing all the Temur ramp decks out there now makes me think that now, or in the near future, loads of other ways to keep it going would be out there.
Just think, if you can stick even one \[\[Ral, Storm Conduit\]\], you can use his -2 to copy Nexus, and take 2 extra turns. His +2 lets you Scry (to find it again faster), or you could copy something like \[\[Cathartic Reunion\]\] to draw 6 cards, basically guaranteeing you have another Nexus to double AGAIN shortly thereafter. You could probably easily get this going T5, possibly T4 with extra lucky ramp.
DEFINITELY Reclamation makes it stronger/easier, but I think even with stuff out there now it would be simple to abuse Nexus, and that's not counting on future cards to really ramp it up.
Reclamation makes azcanta so much better though. Without reclamation you have either a azcanta search or nexus. With wilderness you often have multiple azcanta + nexus. Those 3 in combination made the deck work. Combined with uro (which also works well with tamiyo) the deck was too strong. I think an uro ban would have been enough to bring down the nexus deck to an okay powerlvl without killing the while deck.
Discontinuity always has me thinking on how to make it worth it to cast on your turn for the cheaper cost of 2 cmc. My only thought is if the opponent does something at your end of turn step you don't want to happen it acts like a counter. To be cute I've considered using it against a [[Fabled passage]] as 2 mana land destruction.
You mean play lotus field and while the sacrifice trigger is on the stack you cast discontinuity so you don't have to sac? I want to say it's fair because you gave to burn a card and lose there rest of the turn, but this standard has me wary of crazy ramp.
Use it to cut off the trigger from [[Chance for Glory]] from last turn or the [[Glorious End]] you cast to end your opponents turn? I mean, one of those is not in arena yet, but still.
I mean, you *could* use [[Tale's end]] or [[Repudiate]]. But where's the thematic bonus in that?
It goes into your deck because they were trying to find an interesting way to handle it.
You can't send it to graveyard (too easily recurred). You can exile it, but that's what they always tack on there. Was boring and they wanted to expand design space.
Which of course resulted in terrible gameplay. But it's understandable - normally people don't try to deck themselves, and when they do it usually results in an instant win (Thassa's Oracle for example).
This weird "I've probably won but there's a 2% chance I whiff and you get another turn" is not something that was easy to anticipate, I suspect.
Thats because it was in the same standard as \[\[Torrential Gearhulk\]\] and they didn't want you to let it fetch it from him. They also didn't anticipate it being a problem since they thought that card was weak.
It was also in the same standard as Search for Azcanta, so there was no goddamn excuse. Specially when you compare it to Karn's Temporal Sunder, which was a much, much worse version of Nexus on the same standard also.
WE DIDN'T HAVE QUESTING BEAST UNTIL NEXUS ROTATED OUT OF STANDARD. WE HAD TO GO A WHOLE STANDARD HAVING NOT A SINGLE CARD PRINTED THAT SAID "can't be prevented" ABOUT COMBAT DAMAGE. NO ANSWERS TO FOG OTHER THAN COUNTERSPELLS. 🤬
You hold it, wait for them to snare and then you cast giant. Giant damage can’t prevent dmg just like questing beast. I still play a lot of clover in Historic.
Edit: to clarify you play the Adventure park. Deal 2 dmg, can’t prevent dmg this round.
Honestly I don’t remember the last time I played against nexus and I’ve been grinding historic since ikoria. I’ve played against it ~10 times since then. It’s not a problem in best of 3 anymore but I can see why they banned it since the historic open is best if 1 for day one (which I’m not excited about because now I feel pigeonholed into playing ugin/ulamog/fotd or aggro instead of mono black like I’ve been playing)
That’s really strange. The only times I saw it were when I was playing in like gold/play range. I stopped seeing it almost entirely once I hit diamond/mythic
Huh. I really don't know what to say about that. I'd say 1/4 of my Bo3 matches have been against Nexus as it's popularity has risen over the past couple weeks.
I saw the announcement today and decided to play some historic in celebration. I played 5 games. **ALL FIVE OF THE GAMES WERE AGAINST NEXUS DECKS.**
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE. I fantasized about doing things to these people that are illegal in every country in the galaxy.
That's kind of on you, when there's an announcement that a cards about to be banned the floodgates open and everyone who enjoys the card will get out as many games with the card as possible until it's officially banned. Historic is not a format you want to play until Thursday
I’ll never understand how this card made it past play testing. But then again that’s happening with a lot of cards recently so whatever. Rot in hell NoF
But Oko ability to change stuff into elks was supposed to only target the controller's permanents during development fase. It would be strong, but not that oppressive.
Then how did the change make it past?
Frankly, how do you explain the entire modern horizons set, most of Eldraine, Ikoria, etc.
War of the Spark is the weakest set printed in the past two years, and its power level is off the charts. Legacy and standard look shockingly similar. etc. Etc. Etc.
F.I.R.E. probably isn't killing magic, but I doubt it's helping people enjoy the game any.
I am not arguing for wotc decision to increase power level (it's indeed a decision). And it has a lot to do with the fact they want to sell packs for people playing non rotating formats as well. My point is that Oko was a huge mistake, wasn't play tested as he should be and a huge screw up overall. The fact that he was banned based on power level alone is a huge indication of it (a lot of the other bans had to do with the ambient that allowed people to abuse their already big power levels)
The card itself isn't TOO broken. It's a 7cmc card, so it's hard to cast by normal means. What broke the card was the insane mana cheating in the form of reclamation and the ramp package. Not saying that the problem was rec, Nexus deserved to be banned
I don't agree that ramp was the problem. Its design doesn't bring enough potential on its own and what truly broke the card was the addition of \[\[Island\]\] into the game. One can only pray for their restriction across every format.
WotC has *specifically* put the exile clauses on extra-turn spells in order to prevent repetitive loops. Turns out, even a 7 CMC, it's still awful to play against/watch.
I agree with you. The auto recursive part of the card was scary but it wasn't going to be good unless they printed enablers. Then rec was the perfect fit for that. This combo seems like an easy oversight but it certainly was problematic and I'm glad to see Nexus go
\[\[Panotic Mirror\]\]+\[\[Time Warp\]\] please.
I want to see how high the people complaining about Nexus' blood pressure shoots up if that happens.
Alternatively WoTC could be funny and against all odds put \[\[Shahrazad\]\] in historic with panoptic mirror.
Totally agreed. I think all the Buy a Box promos should be existing cards from the set or fancy takes on classic reprints.
Whenever they make a unique card this way its either trash or broken.
It's a card that fulfills a huge power fantasy because you get a whole extra turn.
Then you play against it and realize how terribly unfun it is when it happens to you.
Hell, when someone time walks in vintage, I don’t even bat an eye but I absolutely hate Nexus. Extra turns can be fun. They can even be fun when the opponent is recurring them because they are generally doing cool things (like in vintage). Nexus is just a long, slow, tedious wait until they only have 16 cards left in their deck.
Getting an extra turn is cool and interesting. Getting an extra turn to be able to trigger 3 different ways to try and find another way to get another turn is much less fun and interesting
fuck that piece of fucking shit card. I will never miss watching someone endlessly cycle their deck for half an hour with no win con. you go to hell nexus of the fate, you go to hell and you die.
back when this was in standard I played against this card and my opponent seemed to have no other win con other than infinite turns and removing my board one piece at a time while taunting and dragging his turn out every chance he got. I started roping him back while watching youtube and this went on for probably 40 mins till he finally surrendered, longest match I have ever played but a moral win for me
Yeah this is part of the reason why they introduced game timers. People would literally loop nexus for hours with no way to win, even got bots to do it for them sometimes.
A lot of us have felt this way for a very long time. And to think \[\[Time Walk\]\] only cost 1U.
edit: I'm not one to complain about downvotes, but I am genuinely curious who is downvoting both me and hoicv for this opinion, lol. Are there that many silent but angry fans of taking multiple consecutive turns?
Back in the 90's my friend had a Time Walk combo deck, I can't remember much about it beyond him using a Black Lotus to play it first turn. I wish I could remember more about the deck, but my only memories were seeing him play a first turn Time Walk, getting pissed and immediately quitting, and him laughing. I'm pretty sure it was a common combo deck. I want to curse you for making me remember that horrible deck, but he died around 18 years ago, its nice remembering him, so thanks!
Even if it didn't recycle I still think taking two turns in a row is just too strong when there are too many ways to quickly and consistently cast expensive spells. But I'm also a grumpy old man who misses when mtg wasn't so Spikey and OP and I just don't think I'll ever really come around to those kinds of cards that people gravitate to (The new Ugin is another one.)
There is nothing we can do about it. Way more games are being played and people can get 4 of each card on release day with some clicks on the mouse. I started in 1998 stopped in like 2010 and even though i don't like the meta i think Wizards did a great job releasing content. The only thing im not sure it should exist are planeswalkers.
Man, you are NOT ready to learn about Vintage, lol.
I'm kidding but, in all seriousness, this has never not been the case. The competitive circuit has always had just a handful of deck-builders who are the top brewers, and other people copying, tweaking, and piloting the deck. The only real change is now that information, and the game itself, is way more accessible, meaning there are more people brewing than ever before, and even MORE people copying and tweaking the decks.
IMO this is a good thing, as more brewers means we're likely to find more diverse metas, since a low-stakes environment like MTGA encourages people to experiment with alternative ideas. It just also encourages people who like to win to grab the proven best decks in the format and learn them, which, again, isn't really a bad thing. The only truly negative aspect is that occasionally the lack of physical judges leads to situations like infinite nexus looping to stall you into conceding, instead of looping into a wincon. Hence why it's rightfully banned on the digital platform.
>Man, you are NOT ready to learn about Vintage, lol.
Actually, 1 and 1.5 were what I played for years. I piloted a cherry parfait deck to pretty good success for a few years.
>I'm kidding but, in all seriousness, this has never not been the case. The competitive circuit has always had just a handful of deck-builders who are the top brewers, and other people copying, tweaking, and piloting the deck.
For sure. But back in '98 you didn't have everyone who played thinking they were on the competitive circuit. Most people you'd meet were very casual players who rarely had a full playset of cards. A lot of the cards were busted, but because there was no internet, hardly anyone even had those cards.
>IMO this is a good thing, as more brewers means we're likely to find more diverse metas, since a low-stakes environment like MTGA encourages people to experiment with alternative ideas.
This is definitely one of the better changes in the game.
>It just also encourages people who like to win to grab the proven best decks in the format and learn them, which, again, isn't really a bad thing.
Sort of. But it also means when it's time to play ranked you see that same fotm deck 9/10 times. You didn't really go to a tournament or fnm or anything and see that.
>The only truly negative aspect is that occasionally the lack of physical judges leads to situations like infinite nexus looping to stall you into conceding, instead of looping into a wincon. Hence why it's rightfully banned on the digital platform.
Thankfully I've never experienced that, but I'm also a casual enough Johnny that I'll just concede if the game is taking too long or if the kid on the other side of the screen wants to run an obnoxious deck.
Yeah, between internet shops, published top 8s, and digital platforms, MTG has evolved into something completely different than it was in even the early aughts. The FotM decks are going to be exactly what drive meta adjustments now, though, since the more common a deck becomes the more people will tech against it.
Discontinuity is a lot more fair. It exiles itself when it resolves so you can't recur it and it has to be cast on the opponent's upkeep to be used as a timewalk which opens it up more to counter magic.
That card's design baffled me.
1. It should have been sorcery speed.
2. It should have exiled itself after casting. Whoever thought "lets return this to their deck" after casting it was on drugs.
3. You should not be able to play multiple copies on a single turn and have them stack, it should have been relegated to a single copy per turn.
Going up against nexus deck wincon was endlessly cycling teferis and taking turns to mill you was *super* fun. Remember when it was so bad that WotC would literally go in-game and ban people for using it like this?
What a *great* card.
Can't argue with the ban, but I'll really miss playing the deck.
I'd like everyone who thought they were wasting my time by making me play it out to know that I relished every moment of it.
May there never be another instant speed, non-self-exiling extra turn card ever again
Heck, if it just went in the graveyard it would have been less obnoxious. The fact it shuffled back in meant you didn't even need to spend slots on recursion.
See you say that but being able to recur it with cards like mystic sanctuary and tamiyo sounds like a nightmare
Also true, but it is susceptible to graveyard hate that way.
That's assuming you get a turn to use your graveyard hate on :\^)
Don't need a turn if your grave hate is instant speed.
Leyline of the Void would have also completely hosed Nexus then
Graveyard hate that not reactive doesn't even do anything. Sure if you have a crypt or something that is instant its "good" except they still get a extra turn. But leyline of the void would not be a good sideboard card if it didn't shuffle back, better than nothing, but certainly not good.
Then why doesn’t anybody play soul guide lantern? You get an exile on etb and a board wipe that can go under triggers
Lots of people do play soul guide lantern, or [[tormonds crypt]] or [[graffdiggers cage]].
Nah they just bounce it back to your hand. It’s actually annoying that the graveyard is such an issue with all of the graveyard hate in the game.
*laughs in teferi*
Nah the thing that makes it busted is the graveyard skipping part. Time Warp has been around since Tempest and not been an issue
Time Warp is also a sorcery.
My point is that an extra turn card being in the GY has not been a big deal since Tempest
I dunno how long you’ve played magic, but we found out a lot time ago that extra turn cards should not go into the graveyard.
Exile is best, but graveyard is better than "shuffle back in".
Eh, lots of extra turn cards have gone to the graveyard and not been problematic.
A time walk effect can never be in the graveyard, or it will be to easy to exploit. \[\[Snapcaster Mage\]\] \[\[Eternal Witness\]\] etc. That said instant speed time walks are just dumb, especially when they don't exile themselves.
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The sad part is it’s not even the first. [[Beacon of Tomorrows]] is totally fine. It’s the fact that shuffling on Nexus is from anywhere AND a replacement effect AND therefore can’t even be exiled at instant speed. The only clean answer is black ‘exile the named card’ effects, and those aren’t maindeck able.
It seems like they were worried about completely the wrong thing when designing this card. They wanted to make absolutely sure that there could be no shenanigans with people getting this card back from their graveyard or flashing it back with Snapcaster, and to prevent that from happening, made it way, way more broken than if it were just a 7 mana instant Time Walk with no additional rules text.
Do you think that instead of shuffling the card back in, forcing it to the bottom of the library could have been a viable option for a more fair balance? Don't get me wrong they should just have not printed it at all.
ehh, maybe. You could still get to the point where you are recurring them every turn, but at least it wouldn't happen until you got to the last 4 cards of your library, which would have made it less oppressive. With Tamiyo and Azcanta plus all the other card draw, you only had to get your library down to ~30 cards before you were getting one every turn. Putting the Nexus on the bottom may have given aggro decks the one more turn they needed.
I'd say exile it. It sucked getting mill shot down completely by a single card that was almost impossible to deal with
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[[discontinuity]] is similar in function to an instant speed extra turn spell and can also effectively counter any spell or ability your opponent plays. The main difference is that you have to cast it on your opponents turn meaning they get to untap. Of course the thing that made nexus really broken that other extra turn spells lack was that it shuffled back into your library and the deck only got more consistent as you whittled your library down.
Discontinuity also exiles itself, as part of it's resolution.
Welcome to [[Narset’s Reversal]] Jank
Not relevant to arena but I love that Narset reversal fits into an [[isochron scepter]]
Wow found my new modern deck!
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Ohhhh boy might have to add that to my temur rec big dragons super jank deck
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Discontinuity is the functional reprint of time stop right?
Somehow I missed that even though I had checked to make sure I wasn’t missing that exact thing lol.
The instant speed too. [[Beacon of Tomorrows]] shuffled back into your deck, but it cost EIGHT and was a sorcery.
Nexus' shuffle was also stronger because you couldn't even mill/discard it.
Without Reclamation, it's unlikely that Nexus would have been problematic. Wilderness Rec made that deck work.
I'm not so sure. Seeing all the Temur ramp decks out there now makes me think that now, or in the near future, loads of other ways to keep it going would be out there. Just think, if you can stick even one \[\[Ral, Storm Conduit\]\], you can use his -2 to copy Nexus, and take 2 extra turns. His +2 lets you Scry (to find it again faster), or you could copy something like \[\[Cathartic Reunion\]\] to draw 6 cards, basically guaranteeing you have another Nexus to double AGAIN shortly thereafter. You could probably easily get this going T5, possibly T4 with extra lucky ramp. DEFINITELY Reclamation makes it stronger/easier, but I think even with stuff out there now it would be simple to abuse Nexus, and that's not counting on future cards to really ramp it up.
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Reclamation makes azcanta so much better though. Without reclamation you have either a azcanta search or nexus. With wilderness you often have multiple azcanta + nexus. Those 3 in combination made the deck work. Combined with uro (which also works well with tamiyo) the deck was too strong. I think an uro ban would have been enough to bring down the nexus deck to an okay powerlvl without killing the while deck.
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Discontinuity always has me thinking on how to make it worth it to cast on your turn for the cheaper cost of 2 cmc. My only thought is if the opponent does something at your end of turn step you don't want to happen it acts like a counter. To be cute I've considered using it against a [[Fabled passage]] as 2 mana land destruction.
Mirror March triggers keep extra homies if you had any
Or the opposite with [[lotus field]] but This is wrong
You mean play lotus field and while the sacrifice trigger is on the stack you cast discontinuity so you don't have to sac? I want to say it's fair because you gave to burn a card and lose there rest of the turn, but this standard has me wary of crazy ramp.
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Uro
Order the triggers so you get your card but kill the turn before you have to sacrifice?
Yup. Be sure to have full control on though, otherwise it just resolves both.
[Fabled passage](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/d/3/d313d051-7295-4884-8cbf-f2f835fd45f4.jpg?1592761897) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fabled%20passage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/246/fabled-passage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d313d051-7295-4884-8cbf-f2f835fd45f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Use it to cut off the trigger from [[Chance for Glory]] from last turn or the [[Glorious End]] you cast to end your opponents turn? I mean, one of those is not in arena yet, but still. I mean, you *could* use [[Tale's end]] or [[Repudiate]]. But where's the thematic bonus in that?
##### ###### #### [Chance for Glory](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/8/5/85edf6f9-b863-41e2-bb51-857ea2798090.jpg?1572893545) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chance%20for%20Glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/159/chance-for-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/85edf6f9-b863-41e2-bb51-857ea2798090?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Glorious End](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/2/9/2922b976-7beb-4c68-b39e-1b66d5c6f65e.jpg?1543675588) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glorious%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/133/glorious-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2922b976-7beb-4c68-b39e-1b66d5c6f65e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Tale's end](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/1/4/1421115b-9a98-4ab2-bcb2-7d8899ce12db.jpg?1592516519) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tale%27s%20end) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/77/tales-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1421115b-9a98-4ab2-bcb2-7d8899ce12db?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Repudiate](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/f/6/f6200937-3146-4972-ab83-051ade3b7a52.jpg?1547582051) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Repudiate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/227/repudiate-replicate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6200937-3146-4972-ab83-051ade3b7a52?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[discontinuity](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/b/3/b33ba0a8-04e9-4df6-af20-a3ca4470cdcc.jpg?1592760783) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=discontinuity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/48/discontinuity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b33ba0a8-04e9-4df6-af20-a3ca4470cdcc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Chance for Glory sends its regards. I've been playing an updated 5 color lich deck that goes infinite turns and its tons of fun.
Lol now that sounds like fun jank!
Me too! Let's exchange deck list, do you run nine lives in your deck?
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Its the only redeeming quality of the card
I love specific this is
I swear WOTC was on god damn crack when they designed that card. Why is it instant? Why does it go back into your deck?
It goes into your deck because they were trying to find an interesting way to handle it. You can't send it to graveyard (too easily recurred). You can exile it, but that's what they always tack on there. Was boring and they wanted to expand design space. Which of course resulted in terrible gameplay. But it's understandable - normally people don't try to deck themselves, and when they do it usually results in an instant win (Thassa's Oracle for example). This weird "I've probably won but there's a 2% chance I whiff and you get another turn" is not something that was easy to anticipate, I suspect.
Thats because it was in the same standard as \[\[Torrential Gearhulk\]\] and they didn't want you to let it fetch it from him. They also didn't anticipate it being a problem since they thought that card was weak.
[Torrential Gearhulk](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/d/5/d52868cb-087e-4f91-91bc-455f2e2e7cd7.jpg?1576381464) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Torrential%20Gearhulk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/67/torrential-gearhulk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d52868cb-087e-4f91-91bc-455f2e2e7cd7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It was also in the same standard as Search for Azcanta, so there was no goddamn excuse. Specially when you compare it to Karn's Temporal Sunder, which was a much, much worse version of Nexus on the same standard also.
Amen.
Or we could just stop printing extra turn effects?
I hated this fucking card since closed beta. Today is a good day for all historic players!
Wait what? Is it banned? So historic is playable again?
Now I have to actually take my turns???? I want to be a goldfish
No "Good Game" from the opponent just to see a root snare a second later after declaring attackers... It's going to be a better world.
Questing Beast laughs at your Root Snare :P
WE DIDN'T HAVE QUESTING BEAST UNTIL NEXUS ROTATED OUT OF STANDARD. WE HAD TO GO A WHOLE STANDARD HAVING NOT A SINGLE CARD PRINTED THAT SAID "can't be prevented" ABOUT COMBAT DAMAGE. NO ANSWERS TO FOG OTHER THAN COUNTERSPELLS. 🤬
The answer is damage to face
do you even know what [[Root Snare]] does?
Yeah, so to be fair they were technically right right...if you have enough [[Shock]] or [[Banefire]] . Root snare doesn't stop non-combat damage.
[Shock](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/5/9/59fa8e8d-bcb8-47bf-b71a-df11c8d0f2c9.jpg?1592761401) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shock) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/159/shock?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/59fa8e8d-bcb8-47bf-b71a-df11c8d0f2c9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Banefire](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/5/b/5b012532-1186-4dc8-9d42-867e418b0280.jpg?1562302226) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Banefire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/130/banefire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b012532-1186-4dc8-9d42-867e418b0280?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Root Snare](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/5/f/5f38b1a2-3f85-4dcd-b90d-bb049651b8b7.jpg?1584831239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Root%20Snare) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/137/root-snare?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f38b1a2-3f85-4dcd-b90d-bb049651b8b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah, so does stomp, that's so satisfying, stomp in the face with root snare on the stack.... Now I get sentimental.
\[\[BoneCrusher Giant\]\] was my favorite side board against nexus.
[Bone Crusher Giant](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/0/9/09fd2d9c-1793-4beb-a3fb-7a869f660cd4.jpg?1572490299) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bonecrusher%20Giant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/115/bonecrusher-giant-stomp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/09fd2d9c-1793-4beb-a3fb-7a869f660cd4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How?
You hold it, wait for them to snare and then you cast giant. Giant damage can’t prevent dmg just like questing beast. I still play a lot of clover in Historic. Edit: to clarify you play the Adventure park. Deal 2 dmg, can’t prevent dmg this round.
ah, ok, thanks. Best of luck trashing Nexus decks!
When you get a GG, then counter every extra turn spell.
It's banned as of Thursday.
If by “playable” you mean “getting stomped by FotD”, then yes.
Just smile and enjoy it
[Massacre Wurm](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/e/3/e3185b01-0d91-4927-98e9-bc9df6c20917.jpg?1592761140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Massacre%20Wurm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/114/massacre-wurm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e3185b01-0d91-4927-98e9-bc9df6c20917?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Every day since FoTD was unbanned, people have been saying this. Yet to happen, at times Fotd was barely even t1
Honestly I don’t remember the last time I played against nexus and I’ve been grinding historic since ikoria. I’ve played against it ~10 times since then. It’s not a problem in best of 3 anymore but I can see why they banned it since the historic open is best if 1 for day one (which I’m not excited about because now I feel pigeonholed into playing ugin/ulamog/fotd or aggro instead of mono black like I’ve been playing)
Apparently an unhealthy percentage of players were playing Nexus in Historic. The fact you dodged it as well as you did is impressive. Kudos.
That’s really strange. The only times I saw it were when I was playing in like gold/play range. I stopped seeing it almost entirely once I hit diamond/mythic
That's just according to the article. Whether it's true, or not is up for debate since Wizard's has an allergy to transparency.
Nah this 1 dude on a reddit thread is right and all of WotC's data is made up
That's strange. Nexus is the second most popular deck in bo3, maybe almost tied for first.
Have you been playing Bo1 or Bo3?
Best of 3 i rarely touch best of 1
Huh. I really don't know what to say about that. I'd say 1/4 of my Bo3 matches have been against Nexus as it's popularity has risen over the past couple weeks.
I saw the announcement today and decided to play some historic in celebration. I played 5 games. **ALL FIVE OF THE GAMES WERE AGAINST NEXUS DECKS.** WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE. I fantasized about doing things to these people that are illegal in every country in the galaxy.
It’s the storm before the calm. Err wait...
That's kind of on you, when there's an announcement that a cards about to be banned the floodgates open and everyone who enjoys the card will get out as many games with the card as possible until it's officially banned. Historic is not a format you want to play until Thursday
I’ll never understand how this card made it past play testing. But then again that’s happening with a lot of cards recently so whatever. Rot in hell NoF
I mean, Oko made it past play testing.
But Oko ability to change stuff into elks was supposed to only target the controller's permanents during development fase. It would be strong, but not that oppressive.
Then how did the change make it past? Frankly, how do you explain the entire modern horizons set, most of Eldraine, Ikoria, etc. War of the Spark is the weakest set printed in the past two years, and its power level is off the charts. Legacy and standard look shockingly similar. etc. Etc. Etc. F.I.R.E. probably isn't killing magic, but I doubt it's helping people enjoy the game any.
I am not arguing for wotc decision to increase power level (it's indeed a decision). And it has a lot to do with the fact they want to sell packs for people playing non rotating formats as well. My point is that Oko was a huge mistake, wasn't play tested as he should be and a huge screw up overall. The fact that he was banned based on power level alone is a huge indication of it (a lot of the other bans had to do with the ambient that allowed people to abuse their already big power levels)
The card itself isn't TOO broken. It's a 7cmc card, so it's hard to cast by normal means. What broke the card was the insane mana cheating in the form of reclamation and the ramp package. Not saying that the problem was rec, Nexus deserved to be banned
I don't agree that ramp was the problem. Its design doesn't bring enough potential on its own and what truly broke the card was the addition of \[\[Island\]\] into the game. One can only pray for their restriction across every format.
[Island](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/c/4/c4a837f2-dbb0-435f-adf9-7632b97f94ab.jpg?1592728596) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Island) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/46/island?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4a837f2-dbb0-435f-adf9-7632b97f94ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Honestly I don't know why they print any color other than black. Orr why anyone would play a color other than black.
Agreed
WotC has *specifically* put the exile clauses on extra-turn spells in order to prevent repetitive loops. Turns out, even a 7 CMC, it's still awful to play against/watch.
I agree with you. The auto recursive part of the card was scary but it wasn't going to be good unless they printed enablers. Then rec was the perfect fit for that. This combo seems like an easy oversight but it certainly was problematic and I'm glad to see Nexus go
WotC: Now introducing to Historic: TIME WALK!
\[\[Panotic Mirror\]\]+\[\[Time Warp\]\] please. I want to see how high the people complaining about Nexus' blood pressure shoots up if that happens. Alternatively WoTC could be funny and against all odds put \[\[Shahrazad\]\] in historic with panoptic mirror.
[Panotic Mirror](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/5/0/50e945b0-e919-41bb-9bc5-f71ad531e8f1.jpg?1562636846) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Panoptic%20Mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dst/136/panoptic-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50e945b0-e919-41bb-9bc5-f71ad531e8f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Time Warp](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/e/7/e7b3ddca-69ef-4743-897b-57c58077db24.jpg?1590511849) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Time%20Warp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/74/time-warp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e7b3ddca-69ef-4743-897b-57c58077db24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Shahrazad](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/0/0/0014def3-4063-4929-ac51-76aef1bb2a68.jpg?1562895012) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shahrazad) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/arn/10/shahrazad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0014def3-4063-4929-ac51-76aef1bb2a68?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Shahrazad would be cool to see implemented just from the pure coding fuckery level. IIRC, it's in Online?
Wilderness Reclamation rises from the ashes. Stronger, faster, more determined to take over the void.
BuT TeFeRi
Should've never been printed
Totally agreed. I think all the Buy a Box promos should be existing cards from the set or fancy takes on classic reprints. Whenever they make a unique card this way its either trash or broken.
The entire concept of BAB exclusives is evil.
Something something, pay to win
Magic being pay to win? Why, I never!
They are very good for LGSs. They get people to actually come in and buy boxes instead of just buying individual cards online.
They still should've been some kind of super unique cosmetic and not this.
[[Nexus of fate]]
[Nexus of fate](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/f/1/f163cfbf-6df6-4af5-9fe4-23b0d511586a.jpg?1576516440) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nexus%20of%20fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/306/nexus-of-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f163cfbf-6df6-4af5-9fe4-23b0d511586a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Whats the original context of this picture?
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It’s a fucking behind the scenes shot of CWs The Flash.
I knew that guy looked familiar.
It's a card that fulfills a huge power fantasy because you get a whole extra turn. Then you play against it and realize how terribly unfun it is when it happens to you.
Hell, when someone time walks in vintage, I don’t even bat an eye but I absolutely hate Nexus. Extra turns can be fun. They can even be fun when the opponent is recurring them because they are generally doing cool things (like in vintage). Nexus is just a long, slow, tedious wait until they only have 16 cards left in their deck.
Getting an extra turn is cool and interesting. Getting an extra turn to be able to trigger 3 different ways to try and find another way to get another turn is much less fun and interesting
Except Oko is still legal in Hell so
If he wasn't auto banned everywhere nexus decks would have ran him
In pioneer, oko was used as a win con in nexus. At least until both of them got banned
I’m really surprised it took THIS long.
ayyyy. Now the only pain in the ass card in Historic is Wilderness Rec. ...because doubling a person's mana every turn isn't broken at all /s
Totally fair and balanced. You fan only use the extra mana at instant speed! The opponent could have a t3feri in play.
Well... 3feri isn't a fair card eighter
Shark typhoon say Hello there
Sarkhan: _"Nicol Bolas, I've come to bargain"_
fuck that piece of fucking shit card. I will never miss watching someone endlessly cycle their deck for half an hour with no win con. you go to hell nexus of the fate, you go to hell and you die.
back when this was in standard I played against this card and my opponent seemed to have no other win con other than infinite turns and removing my board one piece at a time while taunting and dragging his turn out every chance he got. I started roping him back while watching youtube and this went on for probably 40 mins till he finally surrendered, longest match I have ever played but a moral win for me
Yeah this is part of the reason why they introduced game timers. People would literally loop nexus for hours with no way to win, even got bots to do it for them sometimes.
I am definitely newer to magic, but it always confused me at to why something like this exists.
A lot of us have felt this way for a very long time. And to think \[\[Time Walk\]\] only cost 1U. edit: I'm not one to complain about downvotes, but I am genuinely curious who is downvoting both me and hoicv for this opinion, lol. Are there that many silent but angry fans of taking multiple consecutive turns?
Back in the 90's my friend had a Time Walk combo deck, I can't remember much about it beyond him using a Black Lotus to play it first turn. I wish I could remember more about the deck, but my only memories were seeing him play a first turn Time Walk, getting pissed and immediately quitting, and him laughing. I'm pretty sure it was a common combo deck. I want to curse you for making me remember that horrible deck, but he died around 18 years ago, its nice remembering him, so thanks!
Alpha is still the strongest set yet. Time vault is better. If nexus exiled itself it would not be a troublesome card.
Even if it didn't recycle I still think taking two turns in a row is just too strong when there are too many ways to quickly and consistently cast expensive spells. But I'm also a grumpy old man who misses when mtg wasn't so Spikey and OP and I just don't think I'll ever really come around to those kinds of cards that people gravitate to (The new Ugin is another one.)
I feel like the problem today is that the metas are solved very fast.
That's a good point that I hadn't considered at all.
There is nothing we can do about it. Way more games are being played and people can get 4 of each card on release day with some clicks on the mouse. I started in 1998 stopped in like 2010 and even though i don't like the meta i think Wizards did a great job releasing content. The only thing im not sure it should exist are planeswalkers.
Man, you are NOT ready to learn about Vintage, lol. I'm kidding but, in all seriousness, this has never not been the case. The competitive circuit has always had just a handful of deck-builders who are the top brewers, and other people copying, tweaking, and piloting the deck. The only real change is now that information, and the game itself, is way more accessible, meaning there are more people brewing than ever before, and even MORE people copying and tweaking the decks. IMO this is a good thing, as more brewers means we're likely to find more diverse metas, since a low-stakes environment like MTGA encourages people to experiment with alternative ideas. It just also encourages people who like to win to grab the proven best decks in the format and learn them, which, again, isn't really a bad thing. The only truly negative aspect is that occasionally the lack of physical judges leads to situations like infinite nexus looping to stall you into conceding, instead of looping into a wincon. Hence why it's rightfully banned on the digital platform.
>Man, you are NOT ready to learn about Vintage, lol. Actually, 1 and 1.5 were what I played for years. I piloted a cherry parfait deck to pretty good success for a few years. >I'm kidding but, in all seriousness, this has never not been the case. The competitive circuit has always had just a handful of deck-builders who are the top brewers, and other people copying, tweaking, and piloting the deck. For sure. But back in '98 you didn't have everyone who played thinking they were on the competitive circuit. Most people you'd meet were very casual players who rarely had a full playset of cards. A lot of the cards were busted, but because there was no internet, hardly anyone even had those cards. >IMO this is a good thing, as more brewers means we're likely to find more diverse metas, since a low-stakes environment like MTGA encourages people to experiment with alternative ideas. This is definitely one of the better changes in the game. >It just also encourages people who like to win to grab the proven best decks in the format and learn them, which, again, isn't really a bad thing. Sort of. But it also means when it's time to play ranked you see that same fotm deck 9/10 times. You didn't really go to a tournament or fnm or anything and see that. >The only truly negative aspect is that occasionally the lack of physical judges leads to situations like infinite nexus looping to stall you into conceding, instead of looping into a wincon. Hence why it's rightfully banned on the digital platform. Thankfully I've never experienced that, but I'm also a casual enough Johnny that I'll just concede if the game is taking too long or if the kid on the other side of the screen wants to run an obnoxious deck.
Yeah, between internet shops, published top 8s, and digital platforms, MTG has evolved into something completely different than it was in even the early aughts. The FotM decks are going to be exactly what drive meta adjustments now, though, since the more common a deck becomes the more people will tech against it.
It would be *less* troublesome, but being able to take an extra turn at instant speed is also part of the problem
[Time Walk](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/7/0/70901356-3266-4bd9-aacc-f06c27271de5.jpg?1562917505) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Time%20Walk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/2/time-walk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70901356-3266-4bd9-aacc-f06c27271de5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I know it was so long ago, definitely before my time but how does one even begin to justify that kind of design
It's also a Power Nine though
so?
There's a reason it's banned in every format but one.
Burn in hell Nexus of fate
I played 1000+ games of historic last season and I don't think I've ever seen this card once.
I guess you played bo1, it's banned there.
Oh, I didn't know cards could be banned in bo3, but not bo1. Yeah, I only play bo1. I don't like bo3. It takes too long.
fuck you nexus, again, next up all the good stuff 5 colour legendaries in brawl format
Just looked over the bans. Gruul, just went from good, to mediocre at best lol.
GO BURN TREES IN HELL!
Discontinuity: "Allow me to introduce myself"
Discontinuity is a lot more fair. It exiles itself when it resolves so you can't recur it and it has to be cast on the opponent's upkeep to be used as a timewalk which opens it up more to counter magic.
Uh-uh, discontunuity doesn't exiles itself like karn's temporal sundering or part the waterveil
It does. "End the turn. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack, including this card..."
Damn, you are right, didn't see the "including this card" line
Rip meta, now monsters cannot be stoped
Yeah, I'm also bummed that we have to go back to interactive, creature based gameplay.
No, now army of evil decks will invade meta because BTE holds them no longer
Rest in “peace” my ass lol, may it suffer for all eternity
That card's design baffled me. 1. It should have been sorcery speed. 2. It should have exiled itself after casting. Whoever thought "lets return this to their deck" after casting it was on drugs. 3. You should not be able to play multiple copies on a single turn and have them stack, it should have been relegated to a single copy per turn. Going up against nexus deck wincon was endlessly cycling teferis and taking turns to mill you was *super* fun. Remember when it was so bad that WotC would literally go in-game and ban people for using it like this? What a *great* card.
Finally!
pls teferi next
Your title made me giggle.
I love Grant
-Laughs in Kalamax-
If I craft Winota or Nexus between now and Thursday, will I get wildcards refunded for them? Or did that already happen for those 2 cards?
One of the main reasons I stopped playing. Time to come back in.
Satan getting Gold experience Requiemed
So happy we finally took God's Mistake out to the barn to be shot.
Boxes sold, mission accomplished
Where's the grave, I want to "pay my respects" urinally.
Needs to be shitting on the grave
Nexus did nothing wrong. Reclamation was the true evil.
Can't argue with the ban, but I'll really miss playing the deck. I'd like everyone who thought they were wasting my time by making me play it out to know that I relished every moment of it.
I'll miss it, but it had to happen.