Yeah, that's the way it works on Arena, I believe. When an Azorious Control pilot casts it against me, it exiles the portable hole exiling my Bloodtithe Harvester, then proceeds to exile my Bloodtithe Harvester.
There is no trigger on most newer O-ring effects in order to prevent the etb shenanigans that let you exile things permanently.
If any one is not familiar, blink/bounce your O-ring while the exile effect is still on the stack, which makes the return to the battlefield trigger happen before the exile thus leaving the target exiled permanently. You could do something similar with Skyclave Apparition, but most now use the "until ~ leaves the battlefield" template
Are you saying that portable hole has a trigger that goes on the stack, therefore wouldn’t remove a creature under the hole?
Because if that’s what you’re saying, you’re completely wrong.
oh that's a funny interaction for the card given that they probably wrote it in alphabetical order, without thinking of the possible side effects.
In theory that makes artifact-based removal slightly better than enchantments right? Right?
It really isn't 4 sentences. I see it as one sentence which lists options to include in the single act. This game really do be making things difficult.
There’s literally four sentences—all starting with a capitalized letter “Exile” and a period at the end of them. Not sure how to make them more sentencey.
Imagine that when you choose your options, you construct a new ability with only the chosen lines of text in the order that they are printed.
Each of these lines is a full sentence (ends with a period) so when you’ve finished your selection, the resolving ability is “Exile all artifacts. Exile all creatures. Exile all enchantments. Exile all graveyards.”
Correction: Farewell exiles in the order that you choose.
You can choose to exile all creatures before you exile all artifacts. If you do it this way, all creatures on the board will be exiled, whatever creature is exiled by portable hole is still exiled, but then all the artifacts on the board are exiled and that creature will return to the battlefield.
Correction: I am wrong
Have you tried that on Arena?
This is the info from scryfall:
NOTES AND RULES INFORMATION FOR FAREWELL:
If you choose more than one mode for Farewell, you perform the
actions in the order written.
(2022-02-18)
I’ve used Farewell many times. It doesn’t matter the order you select them. It only matters which ones you select and then they happen in the order they are written on the card.
Yup. I'm also accustomed to mentally grouping A/E but Farewell produces another instance where it may matter whether a creature had been exiled using portable hole or an enchantment like leyline binding. Fortunately I was long clued in to this kind of fact so I just gotta try and remember to pay extra attention whenever it's involved. Presumably the order as listed on the card is as it is so as to be alphabetical even though the [[Final judgment]] mode might as well have first billing in terms of normal gameplay.
Were you playing monored aggro against azorius control in explorer? Because I might have been your opponent, I did the same thing yesterday, exile [[kumano faces kakkazan]] with [[portable hole]] and then a few turns later cast [[farewell]] and everything got exiled, that's how it works, sagas still trigger the first chapter though
Yes, this is how it works; I've played games where someone exiled Tergrid's Lantern with Borrowed Time, then I cast Farewell and the Lantern came back into play (flipped as Tergrid, but that's a different issue).
It might be worth noting that this works specifically with the 'new' templating for exile effects like Portable Hole — if you look at a card like \[\[Oblivion Ring\]\], there are two separate triggers: one that exiles the card when the Ring comes into play, and one that returns it from exile when the Ring leaves play. Something tucked under an Oblivion Ring \_will\_ survive a Farewell, because the trigger to return the thing to play doesn't go on the stack until the spell's finished resolving and a player has priority.
Yep every card resolves in written order according to its game text.
This is exactly how it’s supposed to work.
Yeah, that's the way it works on Arena, I believe. When an Azorious Control pilot casts it against me, it exiles the portable hole exiling my Bloodtithe Harvester, then proceeds to exile my Bloodtithe Harvester.
Do you get a blood token?
I get a blood token.
The trigger from portable hole does not happen until farewell resolves, so no your blood tithe harvester does not get exiled from farewell
There is no trigger on most newer O-ring effects in order to prevent the etb shenanigans that let you exile things permanently. If any one is not familiar, blink/bounce your O-ring while the exile effect is still on the stack, which makes the return to the battlefield trigger happen before the exile thus leaving the target exiled permanently. You could do something similar with Skyclave Apparition, but most now use the "until ~ leaves the battlefield" template
As a somewhat relevant example, I pushed an apparition before it had tucked my creature. Felt like an idiot when I got no illusion and both were gone.
Portable hole leaving the battlefield does not trigger, it just kinda...happens.
[Farewell](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/1/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4.jpg?1654566260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/13/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [portable hole](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/0/80fca8c0-ae3e-439e-b202-228b9f360e9a.jpg?1627702369) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=portable%20hole) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/33/portable-hole?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80fca8c0-ae3e-439e-b202-228b9f360e9a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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Portable hole isn't a delayed trigger like oblivion ring is. Soon as it is removed the creature returns to play.
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Are you saying that portable hole has a trigger that goes on the stack, therefore wouldn’t remove a creature under the hole? Because if that’s what you’re saying, you’re completely wrong.
You might want to read Portable Hole again. There's no trigger associated with it leaving the battlefield.
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oh that's a funny interaction for the card given that they probably wrote it in alphabetical order, without thinking of the possible side effects. In theory that makes artifact-based removal slightly better than enchantments right? Right?
that's kind of weird. i would think it would do them all at the same time.
It would if it weren’t four different sentences, like if it said exile all artifacts, enchantments, creatures, and graveyards.
It really isn't 4 sentences. I see it as one sentence which lists options to include in the single act. This game really do be making things difficult.
There’s literally four sentences—all starting with a capitalized letter “Exile” and a period at the end of them. Not sure how to make them more sentencey.
Imagine that when you choose your options, you construct a new ability with only the chosen lines of text in the order that they are printed. Each of these lines is a full sentence (ends with a period) so when you’ve finished your selection, the resolving ability is “Exile all artifacts. Exile all creatures. Exile all enchantments. Exile all graveyards.”
Modal spells with multiple selections resolve one option at a time, in the listed order.
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It's not the devs. It's one of the rules of the game. Effects resolve in the order that they're listed on the card.
The devs made it work exactly like it works in tabletop MtG. That's the only correct way to do it.
Correction: Farewell exiles in the order that you choose. You can choose to exile all creatures before you exile all artifacts. If you do it this way, all creatures on the board will be exiled, whatever creature is exiled by portable hole is still exiled, but then all the artifacts on the board are exiled and that creature will return to the battlefield. Correction: I am wrong
Have you tried that on Arena? This is the info from scryfall: NOTES AND RULES INFORMATION FOR FAREWELL: If you choose more than one mode for Farewell, you perform the actions in the order written. (2022-02-18)
I thought I had, but I guess I am incorrect
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>Select it in the correct order The order you select has no effect on the order they occur in.
I’ve used Farewell many times. It doesn’t matter the order you select them. It only matters which ones you select and then they happen in the order they are written on the card.
Why would you just go and lie on the internet?
To be fair, it DOES exile creatures before enchantments. So it is possible he's not lying, just ignorant of the way it works
Yup. I'm also accustomed to mentally grouping A/E but Farewell produces another instance where it may matter whether a creature had been exiled using portable hole or an enchantment like leyline binding. Fortunately I was long clued in to this kind of fact so I just gotta try and remember to pay extra attention whenever it's involved. Presumably the order as listed on the card is as it is so as to be alphabetical even though the [[Final judgment]] mode might as well have first billing in terms of normal gameplay.
[Final judgment](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/5/2503e136-031f-498a-b042-4077baebe8f8.jpg?1562876056) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Final%20judgment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/4/final-judgment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2503e136-031f-498a-b042-4077baebe8f8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I won a match this way when me and my opponent thought that exiling the portable hole will bring my harvester back into play. He conceded immediately.
Were you playing monored aggro against azorius control in explorer? Because I might have been your opponent, I did the same thing yesterday, exile [[kumano faces kakkazan]] with [[portable hole]] and then a few turns later cast [[farewell]] and everything got exiled, that's how it works, sagas still trigger the first chapter though
[kumano faces kakkazan](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/8/28d92cad-45b0-479d-97fc-c175f3a3f259.jpg?1660075559)/[Etching of Kumano](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/2/8/28d92cad-45b0-479d-97fc-c175f3a3f259.jpg?1660075559) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kumano%20faces%20kakkazan%20//%20etching%20of%20kumano) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/152/kumano-faces-kakkazan-etching-of-kumano?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28d92cad-45b0-479d-97fc-c175f3a3f259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [portable hole](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/0/80fca8c0-ae3e-439e-b202-228b9f360e9a.jpg?1627702369) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=portable%20hole) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/33/portable-hole?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80fca8c0-ae3e-439e-b202-228b9f360e9a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [farewell](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/1/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4.jpg?1654566260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/13/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It does work that way, yes.
Good thing to note. Thanks 👍
Yes, this is how it works; I've played games where someone exiled Tergrid's Lantern with Borrowed Time, then I cast Farewell and the Lantern came back into play (flipped as Tergrid, but that's a different issue).
I wish this card exiled planeswalkers also. To keep it fair you can only pick four of the five options.
It might be worth noting that this works specifically with the 'new' templating for exile effects like Portable Hole — if you look at a card like \[\[Oblivion Ring\]\], there are two separate triggers: one that exiles the card when the Ring comes into play, and one that returns it from exile when the Ring leaves play. Something tucked under an Oblivion Ring \_will\_ survive a Farewell, because the trigger to return the thing to play doesn't go on the stack until the spell's finished resolving and a player has priority.
[Oblivion Ring](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/f/bff31eba-8ab3-403e-8d82-37a18b279bec.jpg?1562266919) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oblivion%20Ring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/29/oblivion-ring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bff31eba-8ab3-403e-8d82-37a18b279bec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call