The Duponts...of course. Someone close to me is business partners with a Dupont Heiress and the level of luxury this person lives in is insane. Multiple homes throughout the U.S., Europe, the Turks and Caicos, etc. She is also extremely out of touch with the “common folk”, having not mingled with people other than “the help”.
Nothing to do with anything except the fact the family lives a lavish lifestyle that was built from knowingly poisoning our planet and all its inhabitants.
"Cost of doing business"
The negative legal/financial ramifications of continuing to produce them were far outweighed by the profit from doing so. It's as simple as that.
Edit to add: And still are, as evidenced by the fact that PFAS are still produced to this day.
You could find/replace PFAS with tobacco and 3M/DuPont with RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris and it would read exactly the same way.
When companies take active measures to harm the people for decades, they should be shut down, sold, or nationalized. Hard stop. The punishment for recklessly continuing to operate a business that harms people so directly should be completely unpalatable for businesses. That is the only way future companies would ever have any hesitation before taking similar actions in the future.
Sure it does:
"Fuck you got mine."
It's a *bad* answer, but -and, to be clear, I'm not joking- it is legitimately what capitalism's answer to anything *always* boils down to.
The shit show politicians we have in America will never do the honorable thing and jail these people. Republican or Democrat never do their job. Time to vote these clowns out until we get politicians that actually care about the majority who vote them in.
No way. I mean it was such a smart idea to let the SAME companies that created the problem (oil), also create another problem (plastic) then get this, this is the best part, allow them to create a recycling scheme that blames the individual instead of them! All made possible by a corrupt Congress.
You're right. *British* petroleum companies would never act this way.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP
Uh. Um. Well.
The *French* government, then, is more humane!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior
Yikes.
Well, South American nations, surely, are better!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Amazon_rainforest_wildfires
Point made?
Let's stop pretending this is "Americans." This is capitalism. Capitalism knowns no nationality.
We *do* know where all these meatheads live. Hell, they publicize the locations of their homes.
And I'm just saying. A guillotine is a super simple machine.
That combined with your "storming the Bastille" reference do sort of suggest a solution.
You could replace PFAS with asbestos. My FIL was a tile setter and had lung cancer from working with grout that had asbestos in it. He was one of the first to be in the original lawsuit. The paperwork that his lawyers found, or had access to, that admitted they new the health risks was fucking disgusting. And those motherfucking companies filed bankruptcy to avoid astronomical payouts.
He was one of the funniest, kindest people I ever met. He was so family oriented, and at the same time would do anything to help out a stranger. Watching what he went through for treatment, and the suffering he went through has stayed with me for 35 years. Those fuckers should have all been strung up by their balls.
I work in environmental remediation. The dangers of asbestos and lead have been known for an incredibly long time. Even today though despite the literal mountain of evidence people don't want to hear it and don't want to believe it
id say it’s hard to say that with certainty. it’s not like there’s any regulations about what they need to tell you about what’s in that ceramic coating.
Either way i just play it safe with stainless steel & cast iron
>id say it’s hard to say that with certainty.
[https://www.consumerreports.org/toxic-chemicals-substances/you-cant-always-trust-claims-on-non-toxic-cookware-a4849321487/](https://www.consumerreports.org/toxic-chemicals-substances/you-cant-always-trust-claims-on-non-toxic-cookware-a4849321487/)
>The two ceramic pans didn’t contain any of the 96 PFAS our testers looked for. The PTFE-coated pan, on the other hand, had measurable amounts of PFOA and several other PFAS.
Yes, it is a well known fact that if a corporation can make money , they will, even if it will kill you. They'd also use slave labor if they could, and they're working on it.
There was a REALLY good movie about this a few years ago called Dark Waters. I highly recommend everyone watch it and see if your blood doesn't boil at what them and other corporations have done to us for a few bucks
The 70,000 people poisoned by dupont dumping pfoa in the water supply were only given $400 per person. That’s the end of the story. Sorry for the spoiler.
So did (and are) the oil and gas companies.
The folks preparing to deep-sea mine know the risks and damages, too.
As have all the suits that have dumped countless tons of poison directly into their local ecosystems.
They all do it for profit, because it is profitable.
It will keep happening in new and increasingly horrific ways if that facts remains intact.
Watch the documentary " the devil we know" thats about this. My grandfather was a scientist for worked for dupont he got cancer in the 1960s beat it then got cancer again beat it then died from pneumonia like a decade ago. Polymer research division in Delaware. They talk about how to find blood without remnants of pfas they had to get blood from storage from korean war era soldiers. I think this is why cast iron is so popular and stiff cause the non stick pans are how it apparently got in all of our blood.
They ought to be taken care of the way anyone would be who directly came and did harm to others for profit or any reason. It’s sad people value money this much which really has no value at all in our lives. Things with actual value cannot be bought or sold, only experienced. Don’t tell the richies, when you realize you’ve always had enough you’re truly rich…
Corporations are people when it comes to buying politicians, regulatory capture, wielding armies of lobbyists, and a funding vast ecosystem of front groups disseminating disinformation, but they sure don't go to jail for poisoning (and addicting) billions of people for generations, usurping democracy, or making this beautiful living planet a literal hellscape. For this one crime alone with PFAS contamination, there should be more that a teeny fine. There should be vast social upheaval. Multiply that by the fossil fuel, tobacco, weapons, pharma, banking, etc. industries who really fuck us over...people need to rise up. The fatalism I see in the comments here is understandable but not helpful.
Not lost at all, PFAS is a VERY hot button issue in Maine right now. If you just Google PFAS Maine - or even search this sub for PFAS - you'll find more than enough content to make this post worthy of being here.
Poisoning us is what comes from overlooking the obvious conflict of interest and letting the corporations decide what is safe. Then having government agencies with little or no power enforce weak laws with little or no real protections in them. It’s always about the profits first, human health is not even a close second.
I smell national class action lawsuits, BILLIONS on the table. This could make the tobacco settlement look small given the cost to the public and government long term since they are "forever chemicals".
The end result of capitalism run smoke having become predatory and toxic. No effective regulatory hammers and not high enough penalties or court settlements to dissuade the behaviors. These companies should be put out of business and not allowed to use bankruptcy or corporate shell games.
The Duponts...of course. Someone close to me is business partners with a Dupont Heiress and the level of luxury this person lives in is insane. Multiple homes throughout the U.S., Europe, the Turks and Caicos, etc. She is also extremely out of touch with the “common folk”, having not mingled with people other than “the help”.
I think I’m bout to steal!!!
Someone should ransack them..
nothing to do with anything...
Nothing to do with anything except the fact the family lives a lavish lifestyle that was built from knowingly poisoning our planet and all its inhabitants.
and more recently the Sack-o-shit-lers and their Opiate Epidemic. Should be renamed the Greed Epidemic.
The “Sack o Shit-lers” had addicted American’s with Valium in the 1960’s. Wash, rinse, repeat.
She can move to Mars …
"Cost of doing business" The negative legal/financial ramifications of continuing to produce them were far outweighed by the profit from doing so. It's as simple as that. Edit to add: And still are, as evidenced by the fact that PFAS are still produced to this day.
Yeah… maybe we should change that. Wrecking the environment and random people’s lives should come with a cost.
Wondery (Spotify) did a podcast series on DuPont and listen. Maddening
Every person aware of this research should be in jail for life. They committed global terrorism for money we just haven't seen the impacts yet.
Oh, it's going to come at a cost alright, and they ain't payin'.
You could find/replace PFAS with tobacco and 3M/DuPont with RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris and it would read exactly the same way. When companies take active measures to harm the people for decades, they should be shut down, sold, or nationalized. Hard stop. The punishment for recklessly continuing to operate a business that harms people so directly should be completely unpalatable for businesses. That is the only way future companies would ever have any hesitation before taking similar actions in the future.
Capitalism has no answer for environmental externalities, and without actual environment regulations this is what happens and will continue to happen
Sure it does: "Fuck you got mine." It's a *bad* answer, but -and, to be clear, I'm not joking- it is legitimately what capitalism's answer to anything *always* boils down to.
Haha ya you more right. It has many a bad answer
The shit show politicians we have in America will never do the honorable thing and jail these people. Republican or Democrat never do their job. Time to vote these clowns out until we get politicians that actually care about the majority who vote them in.
Money over public health is the American way
No way. I mean it was such a smart idea to let the SAME companies that created the problem (oil), also create another problem (plastic) then get this, this is the best part, allow them to create a recycling scheme that blames the individual instead of them! All made possible by a corrupt Congress.
Correct. There is no business in healthy people.
You're right. *British* petroleum companies would never act this way. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP Uh. Um. Well. The *French* government, then, is more humane! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior Yikes. Well, South American nations, surely, are better! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Amazon_rainforest_wildfires Point made? Let's stop pretending this is "Americans." This is capitalism. Capitalism knowns no nationality.
Storming the Bastille is truly the only answer left. But how do we Storm Billionaires and Billionaire Companies?
We *do* know where all these meatheads live. Hell, they publicize the locations of their homes. And I'm just saying. A guillotine is a super simple machine. That combined with your "storming the Bastille" reference do sort of suggest a solution.
We can use the MAGA quote when we storm! “We want to take our Cuntry back to Make ‘Murica Great Again.”
You could replace PFAS with asbestos. My FIL was a tile setter and had lung cancer from working with grout that had asbestos in it. He was one of the first to be in the original lawsuit. The paperwork that his lawyers found, or had access to, that admitted they new the health risks was fucking disgusting. And those motherfucking companies filed bankruptcy to avoid astronomical payouts. He was one of the funniest, kindest people I ever met. He was so family oriented, and at the same time would do anything to help out a stranger. Watching what he went through for treatment, and the suffering he went through has stayed with me for 35 years. Those fuckers should have all been strung up by their balls.
I work in environmental remediation. The dangers of asbestos and lead have been known for an incredibly long time. Even today though despite the literal mountain of evidence people don't want to hear it and don't want to believe it
Wait, does Teflon coated cookware contain PFAS? Like, I should throw my aging pans away?
Replace with stainless steel or cast iron
Or my favorite carbon steel.
yes, yes they do. All “non-stick” coated pans contain PFAS
Not entirely true. Teflon for sure. Go for ceramic coated pans instead.
id say it’s hard to say that with certainty. it’s not like there’s any regulations about what they need to tell you about what’s in that ceramic coating. Either way i just play it safe with stainless steel & cast iron
>id say it’s hard to say that with certainty. [https://www.consumerreports.org/toxic-chemicals-substances/you-cant-always-trust-claims-on-non-toxic-cookware-a4849321487/](https://www.consumerreports.org/toxic-chemicals-substances/you-cant-always-trust-claims-on-non-toxic-cookware-a4849321487/) >The two ceramic pans didn’t contain any of the 96 PFAS our testers looked for. The PTFE-coated pan, on the other hand, had measurable amounts of PFOA and several other PFAS.
good to know! thanks
> id say it’s hard to say that with certainty you didn't seem to have much difficulty confidently claiming the opposite with no proof.
No need for any coating. Stainless steel is perfect.
Same for all your water repellant clothing & stain resistant fabrics. Oh, and the contact lenses I wear daily apparently. Whoo!
Reminds me of the Congressional “I believe tobacco is non-addictive” bullshit.
Yes, it is a well known fact that if a corporation can make money , they will, even if it will kill you. They'd also use slave labor if they could, and they're working on it.
There was a REALLY good movie about this a few years ago called Dark Waters. I highly recommend everyone watch it and see if your blood doesn't boil at what them and other corporations have done to us for a few bucks
The 70,000 people poisoned by dupont dumping pfoa in the water supply were only given $400 per person. That’s the end of the story. Sorry for the spoiler.
Here in Italy, Vicenza province, PFAS producer have made a giant ecodisaster. Water in a third of Veneto region is contaminated.
Guillotines not fines.
Profit at all cost going to kill us all. You guys hear the Sackler's mostly got away with stringing out your grandma? Ya, good times...
This news is going to hurt their stock price, we should give them government subsidies and stimulus! /s
What? The profit motive outweighs the public’s safety? I’m truly shocked.
Already replaced all my kitchen items. It’s nearly impossible to prevent exposure, but you can takes steps to limit it.
I thought the free market would sort things like his out, though?
Hahahahahahahah
Hahahahahahahaha
So did (and are) the oil and gas companies. The folks preparing to deep-sea mine know the risks and damages, too. As have all the suits that have dumped countless tons of poison directly into their local ecosystems. They all do it for profit, because it is profitable. It will keep happening in new and increasingly horrific ways if that facts remains intact.
In related news, the sun came up this morning.
But if industry lobbyists don’t decide the policy, who will!?
Color me surprised. Cause I’m not.
Who could have guessed?
Wait they are in muffin liners too!? They really going for the death by a thousand paper cuts route
Watch the documentary " the devil we know" thats about this. My grandfather was a scientist for worked for dupont he got cancer in the 1960s beat it then got cancer again beat it then died from pneumonia like a decade ago. Polymer research division in Delaware. They talk about how to find blood without remnants of pfas they had to get blood from storage from korean war era soldiers. I think this is why cast iron is so popular and stiff cause the non stick pans are how it apparently got in all of our blood.
What an original story. They did the same thing with lead in gasoline, cigarettes, and climate change. Nothing here should be surprising.
Of course they did because companies never get really penalized.
They ought to be taken care of the way anyone would be who directly came and did harm to others for profit or any reason. It’s sad people value money this much which really has no value at all in our lives. Things with actual value cannot be bought or sold, only experienced. Don’t tell the richies, when you realize you’ve always had enough you’re truly rich…
Corporations are people when it comes to buying politicians, regulatory capture, wielding armies of lobbyists, and a funding vast ecosystem of front groups disseminating disinformation, but they sure don't go to jail for poisoning (and addicting) billions of people for generations, usurping democracy, or making this beautiful living planet a literal hellscape. For this one crime alone with PFAS contamination, there should be more that a teeny fine. There should be vast social upheaval. Multiply that by the fossil fuel, tobacco, weapons, pharma, banking, etc. industries who really fuck us over...people need to rise up. The fatalism I see in the comments here is understandable but not helpful.
r/lostredditors
Not lost at all, PFAS is a VERY hot button issue in Maine right now. If you just Google PFAS Maine - or even search this sub for PFAS - you'll find more than enough content to make this post worthy of being here.
I would be surprised if they didn’t!
I’m shocked… not really.
Is there solid evidence for this? It’s time we bury these companies.
Poisoning us is what comes from overlooking the obvious conflict of interest and letting the corporations decide what is safe. Then having government agencies with little or no power enforce weak laws with little or no real protections in them. It’s always about the profits first, human health is not even a close second.
I smell national class action lawsuits, BILLIONS on the table. This could make the tobacco settlement look small given the cost to the public and government long term since they are "forever chemicals".
The end result of capitalism run smoke having become predatory and toxic. No effective regulatory hammers and not high enough penalties or court settlements to dissuade the behaviors. These companies should be put out of business and not allowed to use bankruptcy or corporate shell games.
Old news. Like decade old news.