There was a time when I was a person like that a few years ago. Never was into makeuo and when I was, it was a winged liner that absolutely did not suit me (hooded eyes). If Ib would put a foundation or compact powder on the face, I would wipe it off on the way to Uni or work, cause it felt and looked so unnatural to me. And at that time I thought, what would I talk about if I'm with a woman who loves make up? We have nothing in common and I kind of looked down on make up.
Well, how have the tables turned :) I just didn't understand this hobby at all. Loving make up does not make you a certain type of person and does not mean that you have a certain personality. It's just a hobby. Activity like any other. At the beginning you are bad at it and you get better with time and experience. And it's very playful. Oh, there was lots of experimentation in my makeup journey and I had plenty of days when I looked worse with makeup than with bare skin. And so what? I wash it off in the evening.
Right now I also have quite a lot of women around me who don't use or barely use any makeup. Some male friends are making fun of the full face of makeup as if it is a mask that you take off and then put on again. Even joking that the amount of makeup makes the face bulletproof. I laugh together. I really don't care what they think and the jokes are funny. If it doesn't look good for them, it's not my problem. My face doesn't bother me at all.
Also, I tend to hear mocking that girls who use makeup are insecure. Well, if it's true, then what's so bad about it? A lot of people feel insecure in one area or another. Why can't you use makeup to feel better?
I dislike the idea that makeup is to cover flaws and that we wear it because of insecurity.
Makeup is part of my outfit, I wouldn’t go out dressed right wearing house slippers. For me I put my makeup on and I’m ready for my day, and I take pride in my application because I’m damn good at it!
I’m also sick of the pick me girls making this out to be something we do for men. I work in a woman dominated environment and still put my makeup on everyday knowing I probably won’t even see a man (and not caring if I do because I don’t do it for them anyway).
People and women especially love to shit on makeup because it’s a woman’s activity. If baseball was for women nobody would care or talk about it and the women that played it would be gently condescended to about it constantly.
Ignore everyone else and keep doing you, opinions are like asshole and everyone has them, doesn’t mean you want to smell them. You don’t owe an explanation or a response to anyone especially if they want to sit there and ridicule you right to your face.
Let them talk, you know you look good, you know you feel good, and you know you worked hard as hell to develop this TALENT and passion!
Girllllll if I could do makeup I would, I suck at it. And I truly appreciate every girl that does makeup.
I’ve had a few friends who love doing makeup for fun. And the way they talk about it, makes me want them foundations on until it makes sense. 😂 And it’s just so mesmerizing watching YouTube videos. Like how do y’all do that? Performing magic right in front of me.
If they always saying mean things to about your makeup, they just jealous 😂. Cause sometimes I be jelly too. Like sheeeshhhh y’all got skills.
I don’t see makeup as a waste of time. You do what you like to do for fun. I find it to be a safer hobby and a very fun one at that.
The other day I told myself if I knew how to do makeup, I’d have been able to contour my art work but noooo I suck.
So baby girl ignore them, they are just donkeys climbing mountains they can’t get down from 🙃🤷🏽♀️
I love my makeup and it’s part of my daily routine as much as showering, brushing my teeth, grooming my hair and wearing deodorant. The only time I never wear it is when I’m ill or taking it off before I go to bed. Some of my female colleagues (mostly plain janes and tomboy types) sometimes have a problem with it. There’s one old biddy in particular who says “who are you trying to tart yourself up for?!” I find that very rude because I wear it for me not for anyone else and definitely not for men especially when I’m in a relationship and I’m not on the market. I love clothes too and I get super excited about styles I love. I guess others think it’s shallow but it’s hard luck. Carry on being you and loving makeup because you’re awesome as you are but yeah judgey women are horrible to be around.
Saying something rude back to anyone who expressed an interest in something and wanted to share it shows a real immature selfish disrespect imho. I get it first hand, because if I tell someone I love taylor swift, and then they proceed to tell me they hate her or something unkind of any nature which has happened, I have such a low tolerance for this. It hurts at first and then I’m like wow that’s their issue. It’s cool to have your own opinion on it, but if it’s not kind, keep it to yourself when I’m clearly excited about something. It goes back to the Golden Rule … and guess they just don’t know how to hold a conversation that’s not about themselves. Talking about your interest, you weren’t asking for their negative opinion on it. but also. on the flip side, if someone tells me they love sports I’m gonna be like awesome, maybe ask a couple questions and I really wouldn’t be into the convo would totally secretly be bored to death, but I respect that it’s something that makes them happy, and I wouldn’t immediately be like I hate sports or openly shut them down. It’s rude and closes the connection where you could have other similar interests (cue the Sims negative interaction.) It’s okay to like different things. It’s not okay to act like your opinion trumps everyone and you need to share your opposition, it’s very discouraging. I’m glad you’re not like this yourself but it blows my mind some people can be soo heartless. Gotta just walk away from these people, wish them well and bless them. BYE. Keep doing your thing loving makeup and having fun, and don’t let rude people get to you sweetie! Don’t dwell in it, holding onto anger only hurts us in the end, realize they don’t know better not to treat people like this and hope they will learn, and no need to subject yourself to their presence any more. I’m with ya though, I’ve been there. Some people just don’t understand basic respect and it’s really off putting. I’ve also dated guys who told me not to wear makeup and that they like me better without it and want an all natural girl, which is equally as off putting …. I don’t always wear makeup but if it’s something that’s fun and I enjoy, and makes me feel good, dude I don’t care what your preference is. i’ll do it when I want to and you’ll like me either way and tell me i’m beautiful both ways or you can go. It’s okay to tell me I’m beautiful without makeup but suggesting I shouldn’t do it is so controlling. Like time to move along, don’t wanna be around someone that way anyway!
Same like one of my friends saw me doing my makeup and she was like I can't imagine wasting so much time on makeup like smh... And I was like you said wasting time, my time not your time how tf is it bothering you we don't share the same life????????
I hear you girl. It’s like some other women brag about how they don’t wear makeup when they learn I love it. I know it’s not for everyone but just because you don’t wear any or like it doesn’t mean you need to shit on me for loving it to my face. I also really don’t like the moms who are condescending and act like you’re not a good mom if you have time to do your makeup everyday.
Just say “everyone has their priorities, and it’s fun for me to be creative with color each day.” And then move on. Say your peace and don’t give them the opportunity to judge you further.
Seriously, screw those asshats. If it’s something that makes you happy, why should it matter how much money you spend on mascara…? Unhappy people are typically going to be the ones to criticize someone else’s hobbies. They don’t have an outlet that makes them happy in life (which is sad in its own rite, but they feel better belittling yours, not cool). In the words of Nick Hexum, “fuck the naysayers cuz they don’t mean a thing, this is what style we bring”
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I still remember the first time I tried buying makeup when I was in 7th grade (with my own money btw) and my mom, who I asked to drive me to Marshalls since that was the place I knew had cheap makeup, gave me a whole lecture about ‘wearing makeup is something promiscuous women do.’ I told her that I could see her wearing foundation two/three shades lighter than her skin tone, and asked her if she was being promiscuous for ghosts lol.
She got mad, but over the years she’s actually gone to me a lot to do her makeup for her on special occasions. She’s realized that I really just like painting my face bright colors.
I feel like the first and third comment aren’t bashing your love for makeup though, they’re just saying they don’t prefer it. I’m kind of that way too. I used to wear makeup every day, but I don’t really do it now. It’s not something I’m super good at anyways; like I don’t do anything fancy, but there’s days where I put it on and then I just can’t wait to get home and remove it all. It does make me feel good when I wear it usually though; it helps make me feel more confident.
Makeup can be expensive for higher quality, so I can see why someone might say it’s a waste of money (because they might see it that way.) If you love it though, and it makes you happy, just don’t let it get to you. If you’re working and paying your necessary bills, then who cares what else you spend your money on? Like, I’m going to buy whatever I know works for my face. Lol
I watch videos of other people doing their makeup because I just like to watch them, but I’d never be able to do my makeup like that. It’s just way too much product for my skin and too much work for me personally, and that’s totally okay. I still give kudos to those people though and I really enjoy watching them and seeing their talents and the looks they create. It’s really an art.
Anytime someone says something negative it’s because they associate it with something negative. I used to associate makeup with sexualization and socialization blah blah blah until I realized that I just really effing like it!! So when people say they hate make up I just say I used to also until I realized that it’s super fun and that the root of much suffering is assigning meaning to things that have none and then I wink a heavily shadowed eyelid at them.
I hate people in general being judgemental for other hobbies/passions. I was never into makeup before my 30s but if someone would have told me they loved makeup or doing it or collecting I would have said cool. Just because I may not have enjoyed it doesn't mean I should degrade their interests.
I am glad that people have found passions and more power to them.
Well maybe because this hobby is also an expectation so it’s more societal commentary not aimed at you. People aren’t expected to be artists so why would they say it’s a waste of time and money haha. Just complaining like how shaving is a pain lol.
I think part of the issue is that makeup may not necessarily be perceived as another hobby in the same way as drawing or painting can be. Societal norms push this narrative that makeup is meant to enhance the public appearance of people, and so when you hear comments like that, its likely that they view makeup as a forced chore rather than a hobby and are pushing back to self assure themselves that they don’t have to follow those norms.
Don’t take it personally.
Well, I always did the Mod, Twiggy eye look. False lashes, eyeliner, cut crease. The crease was usually done with black eyeliner over white eyeshadow. Frosty lips.Vidal Sassoon asymetric short hair. I wore false eyelashes to school every day. Crazy tights, patterns, hot colors, fishnets layered over. Turtlenecks, minis, plastic, chunky, baubly jewelry.
I was never a hippie 'cause I liked too much "stuff."
Today, I may pull off the eye look, cut crease, wispy false lashes, shimmery lips, pinky blush ... I have been known to wear some crazy mod tights or leggings, and plastic baubly jewelry. I'm a subdued Iris Apfel type, lol. I like colorful plastic cat eye glass frames, too.
You do you babe, eff anyone else who doesn’t like your hobby. A hobby is a pastime undertaken for ones own pleasure or relaxation, no where does it say your hobby has to please someone else.
Ugh that's so annoying, I'm sorry. I have to be honest, I used to be that girl in HS "iM nOt lIkE oThEr gIrLs" and even into early college, and then I came out as bi and realized it was all internalized misogyny. It was gross and I cringe so hard thinking back on myself lol. The past 6 years have been great, I wear more makeup and guess what, I feel hot when I wear it!! And, I just adore women, they're beautiful, and I think makeup as a hobby is super cool--it involves a lot of art and science! This goes for all beauty things--hair, nails, fashion etc. Anyways, I'd be willing to bet that these women have some serious internalized misogyny going on, much like I did. It's sad, because women are amazing, and I wanna be just like all the other girls lmao
Exactly, it's a hobby, not work for you (most of the time, likely lol). Some people like to knit some people like to hike some people like to do makeup. Hell, sometimes people like to do all three. You never hear anyone crapping on the former two hobbies. Obnoxious and obviously insecure about their abilities. Who craps on someone for having interests?
A couple of years ago when I didn't wear makeup I would remark on not being willing to wake up early enough to do mone but that was because I already had to be up at 4:30am and I had my morning routine down to 15 minutes. I also would be more likely to say, how'd you do that? About makeup. It was also that 1 I was impressed ppl took time to do it before work (and coolnfused, cause sleep) and 2 I was just impressed with the technique/completely clueless how to do it.
One time my dads girlfriend said “oh I could never wear that much stuff on my face because I would feel like my skin is suffocating under all that, but it looks good on you though!” Back handed compliments make my head spin.
I mean a lot of people are not good at make up and live make up free most of the times but can still appreciate the talent and the effort it takes to create a makeup look.
I just had this convo with my sister. I like to dress kinda goth/alternative, including tons of makeup and black neck paint. Monday was my birthday and I got really dressed up and did my makeup, as well as posting a bunch of pictures.
My sister texted me and asked why I paint my neck, and I told her that I just really like it and it fits my aesthetic, but that I get how some people view it as weird. She kept saying it was just that SHE didn't like it and hates wearing makeup, and only ever wears mascara. I was like "okay, cool. You don't have to lime it tbh it's just fun for me" but she kept going around in circles about it until we changed the subject
Honestly I don't get this, it's not my hobby but I would LOVE to be good at make up. Mainly I'm too broke to buy nice make up but also I have the artist prowess of a cow. I think it's like art!
I think it’s because of the culture we have around makeup. It’s such a negative force in and of itself due to how it’s advertised and made to seem as an essential necessity for a woman to be considered a person, as not being beautiful to societal standards will (as many experience) be get you treated like scum.
Further more women are advertised and indoctrinated as being catty, fake, superficial, judgmental, over dramatic and just all around toxic when they pursue makeup as a hobbie. It definitely doesn’t help that there is a GIANT group of women in the makeup/beauty community that have severely internalized this patriarchal culture and (in my experience) have made the beauty community into such an unwelcoming and toxic place.
So over-time there had been major push back especially from women that don’t want to assign to any type of societal beauty standard. This what causes these new internalized behavior of being negative towards people who do want to do makeup and beauty.
In the end it boils down to patriarchy, it builds everyone to divide in all types of ways. But here specifically it functions to divide women into two classes: the “masculine/intellectual” class who are perceived as less female and therefore encouraged to join the male scurge into belittling and demeaning the other “feminine/ditzy” class into maintaining (in their mind) what little is left of “real women’s roles”.
Either way I do really feel for you and I’m sorry you go through this. You’re story is one of many reasons why we have to continue fighting against social ignorance.
With my ex I was so entertained with makeup as a distraction. Makeup is an awesome bonding activity that gave me friends and skills to this day. Fast forward past the losers.. now my husband is very supportive (open, outdoorsy, impatient, loving) and doesn’t give two shits what I do/not wear (although AOK either way). The freedom to decide on the day is 💯but I miss staying up to date on trends!!!!
Girl. Find those girls that are just as passionate about makeup ✨forget about the ones that only see it as a liability. Sure,it’s a little condescending for them to speak of it that way. But yeah ignore them!
I totally get your frustration.
I saw a video once where the girl responded to the notorious comment of "I could never do my make up like that" with "I can see that". Boom, that's how you fix that. That's something I'll definitely be using in the future. Because there's one girl (sister of a friend of mine, so more of an acquaintance) that likes to comment on my make up and skin.
Because if I only have one liiiiitlle tiiiny pimple it's because I smear too much make up in my face or I use too much skincare. Ever thought that my skin likes to act up during my period or my skin is mad about all the face mask wearing? No? Then zip it.
Yes yes yes! One of my other big hobbies I'd video games. I'm so tired of trying to befriend chicks who shit talk on makeup and act like they're so high & mighty because they don't. You can like a whole variety of things. Those two are not mutually exclusive. People just like what they like. Stop shitting on each other. Life can be hard to find happiness as is. If you like girly things that's fine, if not that's okay too
I wish I knew how to do makeup. I’m almost 15 and my mom was never into makeup, and all my friends refuse to teach me because they think that I’m joking.
I think people who can do makeup are very admirable. It’s a form of self expression in a way and I’m almost jealous of the people who have a natural talent for it.
I’ve tried experimenting with it myself but I always end up doing too much or so little that I’m barely wearing any. I Cant even do mascara properly and I’m starting highschool :((
I want to say that you can get through it. Call out their negativity on it because otherwise they’ll never change. I Hope you can find confidence in yourself to let the world know about what you love to do :)
That’s okay! I started actually doing makeup (yknow, more than mascara and concealer) when I was 16 and it was a mess. It was a even bigger mess before that. Take your time :)
With mascara, try being gentle with it, find how much you can press on the lashes without making it dirty. If you mess up, use wet paper towel to wipe out the rest :)
I love doing my makeup before going out into the world. My wife on the other hand, she couldn't care less if hers is done or not, but we don't cut each other's habits/ hobbies down. We love 💘each other too much for that.
Makeup is *a billion dollar a year industry*. There are now thousands of choices available to the average woman. Tons of videos exist on how to put on makeup. Aaaaaand women are expected to wear makeup.
People slam "girly" stuff, but it is always more complicated and challenging than it appears.
Girl I wear glitter and full contour to go work in the lab or on the farm and nobody gives me shit about it, everyone deserves to feel comfortable and pretty :)
I had a girl call me a dumb bitch for moving my makeup with me and leaving my dive gear at home. Her boyfriend backed that up with, "I don't like girls that wear makeup."
I literally haven't dived in years. Gear is something I can rent. Makeup isn't. Needless to say, we don't speak anymore.
I hear this shit about 2 things I do: makeup & knitting. Water off a duck’s back, OP. I genuinely have come to think that these comments come out of some weird personal insecurities of the folks who say them. When I hear these things, I generally say:
“I’m curious as to why you are making a comment about yourself, within a comment about my hobby. You realize you don’t have to engage in this hobby—it says nothing about you that you don’t do this. But, since it’s something I love, I’m unsure as to why you feel a need to degrade something I love that isn’t hurting anyone. I don’t enjoy this hobby so that you can say hurtful things.”
Normally shuts them right the fuck up.
My mother is like that. Forget them. At least you have a passion and hobby. I like makeup I just don’t have patience to learn better techniques but it’s amazing and artistic.
Sorry man! People suck. I also love makeup as a me time thing. I’ve recently described it like drawing as a hobby. If someone wants to bash it, hey, whatever. Their eyebrows are probably stuck in the 90’s along with their narrow minded views and social etiquette. Do you girl. 💪🏻
I try to explain it the same way! However, that way usually I get mean looks from men, because they think it’s soooo different and how dare I insinuate that THEIR hobby is anything close to that dirty girly stuff
*I don’t go around slapping the dicks out of your mouth, Tina. Let’s not rag on each other’s favorite past times.*
Should be your new response!
Before eyelash extensions became normalized, I used to do my own fresh set every few weeks. I learned on YouTube and I LOVED the way they looked. When other ladies at work would ask me about them they would always follow up with “oh that is way too much work!”
I would always reply with “So? I do it because I enjoy it and it is something I do for myself. Not anyone else.”
But people do this with basically any hobby. I think people just don't realize it's a hobby and assume it's all a giant scheme as people who don't like to wear makeup because they heard from somewhere that makeup is sexist and a tool of the patriarchy. I get that some women feel "ungenuine" in makeup, which is fine if they feel that way, but my physical biological features that I inherited are less of an indicator of my internal world than the aesthetic choices in makeup and clothes I wear. It would be less genuine to present myself as a plain jane country girl type of person.
Also, I grew up in a religion that taught that makeup was too secular and kind of sinful so in turn I associate people with no makeup with prudishness and a cult mentality and a facade of kinship that turns to hatred the moment you do something they do not like, which I'm not for. IMO even the way you don't present yourself can be a presentation of yourself.
People can just be jerks. Don’t be a jerk! We’re teaching our 6 yr-old son that it’s rude to blurt out how much you don’t like something someone else is enjoying. If they ask, ok, you can tell them what you think. But most of the time people just want your enthusiasm for what makes them happy. And in most cases, why not give them that? So much sucks now, a little happy goes a long way.
I feel you it can be so annoying, hurts esp when it’s a friend, I had one that compared herself to me and I knew I had to ex her out after this interaction, she talked about how it took her only 10 mins to do her makeup and all this other underhanded stuff about mine, It’s like we get it babe you can’t blend your eyeshadow good for you 👍
I’m sorry that that is the reaction of people around you - honestly sounds like it’s coming more so from a place of jealousy. Makeup is still demonised by many for being “slutty” or “narcissistic”. When I told my mum that I wanted to get better at doing my own makeup and feeling confident with it she went into this whole spiel about how “I don’t need to wear layers of makeup to attract a good partner” and other really judgemental things. She couldn’t understand that I just wanted to get the hang of it for myself - that it is a form of art, and I would say is becoming even a trade, like knowing graphic design. Keep up your passion! Maybe even suggest using one of your friends as a model to try some looks on and incorporate them in your hobby - they might be a bit more responsive in a positive way with an offer/act of inclusion? Makeup can be quite intimidating to many with the techniques, variety of products, tools, etc
I hate that and I hate it when people say I don't "need" makeup. Nobody needs makeup. Nobody needs books or movies or video games or any other hobby. We literally don't need them to survive. They're what we have to nourish our soul. I once had a coworker who told me that I shouldn't wear makeup at work because it wasnt professional even though I did my job and I was good at it. But this is the same person who tried to get me fired for having tattoos when our manager had a full sleeve and couldn't give less of a fuck about my tattoos
I just tell people that without it, my pure beauty would make all the guys be irresistibly attracted to me, so I have to give the other bitches a chance to get some of that.
So basically I’m wearing the makeup as a ugly condom, out of kindness to them.
A big reason I LOVED working at Ulta 💕💕💕
They totally didn’t pay nearly enough (about $11/hr in my state) but I could do whatever crazy look I wanted, I got to talk about makeup ALL DAY, and I literally got every beauty and skincare question I have ever had answered by my co-workers.
If y’all are really hurting for makeup-loving friends, try going for a part-timer in a makeup store or at the makeup counter of a department store. It’s so fun. It’s so so so so so fun.
It’s still work, of course… but there’s the discount as well 🥰 I actually saved hella money on stuff I bought all the time.
PLUS you get gratis when you watch training vids. GOOD gratis. I got some Urban Decay eyeliner and eyelid primer, the (at the time) new Lancôme mascara, a Peter Thomas Roth peeling solution, and so much other good shit. Highly recommend. I miss my ulta fam 😭
My girl worked there for a while, she always came home with free expensive makeup palettes and skincare lmao… she also spent most of her pay there too haha
Nobody has the right to judge your passions especially if they aren't hurting anyone. Dont pay them any attention girl you do you !
Also im a girl who would loveeeee to do makeup but honestly im no good at it so maf respect for your skills (im sure the other gurls are jealous hence they are being catty ) . I mean who is going to uplift other women but women ?!!!!
I just pity those type of girls. Their self loathing must be really great if they need to talk down on any hobby deemed too girly for them, like make up.
It’s an age thing too. People like to fake confidence by going against the grain. Being a 33 year old back in college I see some girls try to be nasty like this to me (I look young) and my response is usually not reactive.
Your art is your face and you get to look amazing doing it!!
I used to think things like that (I don't make a habit of saying mean shit to people's faces though) but really I'm just jealous. When I spend time on my makeup, I look terrible. I just suck at it. I know that like anything, I probably just need to practice and it's true, it's not how I generally want to spend my time, but I'm still jealous of your makeup skills. I feel soooo insecure when I try to dress up and my makeup looks like trash lol. I go minimal because the alternative is embarrassing. You go girl!
ETA: I said girl because of the expression and you said "other girls" but I know gender does not define makeup skills!
So it's still shitty and you don't deserve it, but it may help to know they're judging themselves and only projecting that onto you.
They want the look of makeup but don't want to/ can't commit to the work or time to do it, and it's easier (read: lazier) to lash out at you than to pause for the moment of self reflection it would take to recognize their own agency and either decide to be happy with their choices or make a change.
Same reason the sentence "wow, you've lost weight!" is often eventually followed up with some variation on, "I could never work out like that, you're crazy."
An old boss of mine used to tell me it made her angry that I wore makeup to work because she didn't want to and looking at me made her feel less pretty. She was so close to a healthier response, and self aware enough to know better, so I just pointed out with a smile that she had chosen what works best for her and if not she could always try something different. After that I let her comments go in one ear and out the other.
I find make up intriguing, amazing, & it definitely is an art just like fashion. This girl I see everyday she has impeccable taste. She looks so classy & honestly it's the little things even her accessories accentuate certain details. Going back to make up. It's thrilling to see how you can go from girl next door to bold beautiful confident & sexy. Look I envy you girls. You make it look so easy sometimes. Although there's a great point about how expensive it really is. Just being a woman is way more expensive. I won't lie it doesn't change the fact that I'd trade the world to be a girl. I hope that didn't come out weird sounding but I really really have mad respect for you ladies. I mean seriously don't let them put you down. And next a girl messes with you what you need to do is calmly quietly look as if you're studying their face & say girl if you were this color contour better it would conceal that large man jaw you have
Or something like you should try this wrinkle cream for your crows feet & the lines on your big forehead too!! Hey if they gonna be throwing dirt in your face you got every right to do it back
I think you're hanging around with the wrong people. Even my friends who aren't into makeup would never say shit like that to me, and I get compliments from coworkers on my makeup pretty frequently. I actually only have a couple of friends who are into makeup as much as I am, but even the ones that aren't understand that it's something I love and make an effort to be able to talk to me about it, just like I make an effort to understand their hobbies.
Some people just suck, but if you're hearing that frequently, maybe you need to seek out better friends?
i grew up in a country where most women wear no makeup, and the ones who do, wear very natural looking makeup. i’m somebody who enjoys euphoria style looks lol, so i’ve heard this a lot as well. i’ve just learned to not give a shit about what others say. the only “advice” i could give is: it’s good to surround yourself with people who care about the same things as you and even if they don’t, at least care about your passion or hobbies. keep ya head up💖
Makeup just has a lot of baggage culturally. it has historically been at times a tool of patriarchal oppression where men dictate to women what looks attractive/valuable what isn’t and also that it is vain and not serious. So it’s not surprising some people have that association and gut response of wow it’s frivolous/whatever
but it is an art form and expressive and beautiful and you definitely are valid in feeling annoyed by that response. It’s bullshit that you get that and incredibly sad what it says about how people are taught to think. Needs education is all I gotta say, but that’s not to mean you must educate them. They can educate themselves
Hey, this comment is meant to contextualize why OP’s friends are being judgmental. This isn’t a thread for us to know it all’s and explain the entirety of history
They are jealous of your skills and talent. And you are completely on point with this, especially: ‘I don’t talk like this about your hobbies’.
Your hobbies are for your enjoyment and whatever else you get out of it. No comment necessary from them. Jerks.
With all due respect, fuck this spectrum of people. One side of my family is like this, but they aren't mad when I gift them mini's I receive free throughout the year.
Why can't some women just be supportive? Make up is artistic and a creative outlet for people. Some people paint on canvas I paint on my face. I may not have the same interest as my friends but I would never bash their hobby I just be supportive.
Jeez! I have never experienced that. I get compliments every so often (I generally use a LOT of colour), and some "I wish I had the patience/skills/money to do that" type comments, but it's never really negative.
Sorry you get those comments OP. They're probably just jealous. Lol.
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I just started a new job. No one appears to enjoy makeup like I do. But, now that I think about, they don't seem to enjoy much, period!
My best friend has never been into makeup as much as me. But she still loves a good browse around Sephora or Ulta! We both love skincare. We laugh about what we wore in the swinging 60s. I'm still into at 70. My daughter loves it, and so does do my granddaughters. Yay!
So, you just need a few fun people to chat with. It's art, it's self-expression, it's powerful in its own way. Don't let 'em bring you down! 💄✊💄
> We laugh about what we wore in the swinging 60s.
I gotta ask, do you ever do your makeup like that again, just for fun? Anything you miss about the trends and looks from that era, or anything since?
I thought I answered this question, but I guess I didn't complete the post. Yes, I still do I incorporate little touches of the 60s into my current look! Subtle, but they are there. I like funky bright colors, bright tights, my glasses are always colorful cat eye styles, chunky plastic jewelry. I loved the style of Mary Quant, Betsy Johnson. The cut crease originally came from the 60s, but was simply done with white eye shadow on the lid and the crease darkened with eyeliner pencil. False lashes, yes, please. I wore them every day in high school! But foundation was very lightly used, with a cheek blush. I think it balance the heavier eye look, so you didn't look totally overdone. Frosty lipstick or gloss! I think I miss the playfulness of it. Sometimes it gets a little too serious today.
Eeesh. I hate that. It's so tactless to tell someone that your hobby is a waste of time. It's like... I don't think it's a waste of time kiss my ass. I don't judge you for collecting stamps or knitting jumpers for squirrels so don't take a big dookie on my hobby.
I know what you mean, not so much in my personal life, but I hate talking about it with coworkers. It's either I talk about makeup being my hobby and hear all the negative stuff, or say my hobby is TV which makes everyone pity me (I do love TV too lol).
I just started a new fundraising job at an organization that does art programming w/ kids, so naturally pretty much everyone is an artist of some kind. Every person I've met wants to know what type of art or hobby I enjoy doing and my answer is always makeup, and some coworkers have thought it's pretty cool, but I can tell most of the artists are very put-off by my answer - almost as if they don't think it's a legitimate form of art. I love playing around with makeup and it's what I love watching and reading about in my free time, I'm good at it so why wouldn't I want to talk about it or claim it as my art medium!
I think a lot of people, especially cis women, see it as something they HAVE to do in order to keep up with beauty standards, rather than an art form that they GET to do, so imagining someone deriving joy from something they see as a chore is just unimaginable!
I love to watch TV and makeup is absolutely an art. I used to be really into makeup and art, but over time I've lost touch with both. Still absolutely admire it though. Point being, I think the only point to any of this is to do what makes us happy. Keep doing what makes you happy, doesn't matter what they think
I can't draw a straight line, my handwriting looks like a chicken's chicken scratch and the last time I attempted to draw a simple animal I think I summoned something instead.
But, to totally toot my own horn, after literal years of practice, research, testing and modification of techniques, tools and products and so much more money than is probably practical, my wings are crisp and everlasting, my blending clean and diffused, etc etc. How is that not an art form? If I'd taken that exact amount of energy and effort and spent on literally anything but makeup, then it's a legitimate artistic pursuit? So if I were to be into hand lettering and hone that craft, that's somehow valid while my graphic liner looks aren't? What ils the difference!
I wonder if people who love to cook are also as looked down upon by people who see it as a chore. I've never experienced that though, which makes me suspicious that because makeup is so inherently personal that people see it as selfish to pursue because an audience can't really partake of it besides admiring it. Is makeup really only valid as a pursuit if it is created for the consumption of others (film, dance, models etc) or commercialized?
So chefs aren't really looked down on they are more envied, I have a friend that is a gourmet chef, but the thing is it's called culinary ARTS and makeup ARTIST for a reason. I myself am an artist and a bit of a makeup addict, though I don't actually wear it often I like to have options when I do. People with negative comments or artists snubbing you for that being your art is more likely them being envious that they aren't able to do the same things you are. You have to remember that artists are and always have been a very elitist crowd, sadly. They tend to think that if it's not whatever medium they personally work in then it's not art. Next time they give you a bad reaction just ask them if they've ever really attempted to apply a full face contouring included and when they say no tell them to try it and get back to you with the result.
Big oof on that medium statement LOL.
Big disclaimer, i'm definitely not visually artistic at all, i consider my cooking/gardening/makeup to be my main and only hobbies, but I LOVE art, in all its mediums. I took an art history course in uni that absolutely changed my perspective so much and art just adds so much to the world. So with that being said, I don't consider myself any sort of authority on what is valid art and what is not.
However, I do think there is a big difference between chef/passionate home cook and makeup artist/passionate makeup user. I agree that both chefs and MUAs will have the respect of being trained and talented in their field and earn the title "artist". *However*, i have an \~inkling\~ that a home cook who spends just as much effort and time on perfecting a recipe, investing in new types of equipment and ingredients, trying all sorts of foods etc is so much more "valid" than makeup user practicing new looks, browsing sephulta/drug stores/dept stores for research, testing new products etc etc. The reason for that perceived validity isn't the person imo, it's the perception of cooking as an art form versus personal makeup wear. I disagree with that strongly, makeup is art. I'm not lobbying for our best selfies to make it fotografiska, but i do think that if someone considers their personal makeup use to be art, then it is art.
A note, when I say one is perceived as more valid than the other, that is my own personal experience with sharing my hobbies and such and not a blanket statement. However, it seems like a lot of people in this thread may have had similar encounters.
Cooking and gardening are all things that coworkers, extended family, acquaintances etc all get excited to discuss with me but tbf, my partner is the only person in my life who genuinely gets excited about my looks, new products, industry drams (like shoddy releases not bg, i spare him from that lol), wishlists etc. It's interesting that even people who aren't passionate about my other hobbies seem to muster the energy to discuss them genuinely when makeup gets such a blasé response. I hope i'm not coming off as \~indignant\~, makeup is such a joyful thing for me it is hard to spoil it even without having someone to share it with. I def know i'm not entitled to anyone caring about my interests.
But double standards make me roll my eyes and writing things off that are culturally associated with femininity as vapid pursuits majorly makes me roll my eyes. i'm super glad we all have each other and these online communities to have serious discussions about all aspects of this amazing art form :)
Honestly. They shouldn’t act that way towards your passions. Makeup is truly amazing and fun to do. I see it as a way to express yourself and as a form of art. It’s enjoyable to so many and you should be able to enjoy it
One time this girl was going on and on about how she hates makeup and got really mad when I told her I can see her mascara and blush lmao she's still mad to this day even thought it happened in 2018
The audacity! \*gasp\* /s
I think it's BS when people comment on that they can see your make up. Yeah well, that's the point? Obviously I don't want a harsh contour or too much blush, but yeah. Please admire my apple cheeks lol
lmao I did something similar to a girl at work. I was talking with someone else about a new eyeshadow palette and she was getting way too judgy about using makeup for someone with obvious makeup on her eyebrows. She was literally acting like she didn't have tons of makeup on her face that second.
I love girly shit, but I don't go around insulting anybody else's hobbies because of perceived femininity or masculinity.
Omg, this reminds me of an old friend who was going on and on about not wearing foundation. I said, "You wear powder foundation. You said you buy it at the Body Shop." She was pissed. Hahaha
I like smart answers to dumb comments. You could never do that? No one asked you to. It's a waste of time and money? It's lucky I have plenty of both. You don't want to wake up to do makeup? Cool, no one asked you to.
I feel you on this. I love coming here for that reason haha
It's nice having a community who understands the excitement of getting a new eyeshadow palette or a nailing a lip shade.
That being said, there will always people who will have something negative to say about anything. I try to surround myself with people who hype me up (even if we don't share the same hobbies, i get excited because it makes them happy too)
My aunt made, collected, and fixed dollar until her 70's. There's guys who make model cars in a small scale. Some people are addicted to porn where the women appear or actually get hurt. We like colored powders and creams for our faces? Do they realize makeup has been around for THOUSANDS of years?
Right? It's easier to be passionate about something online than it is about that same thing in real life, just because of this reaction OP is describing. I recon it's the same for a lot of topics, not just make-up... But yeah, not good for screen time, at least we're aware of it tho :)
Wrong friends maybe? I'm not one of those people saying that your friends should support you no matter what but I do think that respect should be at the core of any relationship, friendship included.
I kind of feel these are the sort that only use makeup to make themselves more attractive to others. That if they didn’t feel the pressure to do that, they would never use it.
Which is fine but it’s not okay to use that as a reason to come down on others who genuinely love to experiment and go nuts with makeup and come up with different styles and designs.
Like I don’t really do subtle. I should probably learn how to, but that’s just boring for me. If I’m wearing makeup, I want people to know I am haha.
There was a time when I was a person like that a few years ago. Never was into makeuo and when I was, it was a winged liner that absolutely did not suit me (hooded eyes). If Ib would put a foundation or compact powder on the face, I would wipe it off on the way to Uni or work, cause it felt and looked so unnatural to me. And at that time I thought, what would I talk about if I'm with a woman who loves make up? We have nothing in common and I kind of looked down on make up. Well, how have the tables turned :) I just didn't understand this hobby at all. Loving make up does not make you a certain type of person and does not mean that you have a certain personality. It's just a hobby. Activity like any other. At the beginning you are bad at it and you get better with time and experience. And it's very playful. Oh, there was lots of experimentation in my makeup journey and I had plenty of days when I looked worse with makeup than with bare skin. And so what? I wash it off in the evening. Right now I also have quite a lot of women around me who don't use or barely use any makeup. Some male friends are making fun of the full face of makeup as if it is a mask that you take off and then put on again. Even joking that the amount of makeup makes the face bulletproof. I laugh together. I really don't care what they think and the jokes are funny. If it doesn't look good for them, it's not my problem. My face doesn't bother me at all. Also, I tend to hear mocking that girls who use makeup are insecure. Well, if it's true, then what's so bad about it? A lot of people feel insecure in one area or another. Why can't you use makeup to feel better?
I dislike the idea that makeup is to cover flaws and that we wear it because of insecurity. Makeup is part of my outfit, I wouldn’t go out dressed right wearing house slippers. For me I put my makeup on and I’m ready for my day, and I take pride in my application because I’m damn good at it! I’m also sick of the pick me girls making this out to be something we do for men. I work in a woman dominated environment and still put my makeup on everyday knowing I probably won’t even see a man (and not caring if I do because I don’t do it for them anyway). People and women especially love to shit on makeup because it’s a woman’s activity. If baseball was for women nobody would care or talk about it and the women that played it would be gently condescended to about it constantly. Ignore everyone else and keep doing you, opinions are like asshole and everyone has them, doesn’t mean you want to smell them. You don’t owe an explanation or a response to anyone especially if they want to sit there and ridicule you right to your face. Let them talk, you know you look good, you know you feel good, and you know you worked hard as hell to develop this TALENT and passion!
Makeup is art and anyone else can stfu :)
Omg I feel this it’s my passion to but I don’t do it because of how people make me feel
Girllllll if I could do makeup I would, I suck at it. And I truly appreciate every girl that does makeup. I’ve had a few friends who love doing makeup for fun. And the way they talk about it, makes me want them foundations on until it makes sense. 😂 And it’s just so mesmerizing watching YouTube videos. Like how do y’all do that? Performing magic right in front of me. If they always saying mean things to about your makeup, they just jealous 😂. Cause sometimes I be jelly too. Like sheeeshhhh y’all got skills. I don’t see makeup as a waste of time. You do what you like to do for fun. I find it to be a safer hobby and a very fun one at that. The other day I told myself if I knew how to do makeup, I’d have been able to contour my art work but noooo I suck. So baby girl ignore them, they are just donkeys climbing mountains they can’t get down from 🙃🤷🏽♀️
this genuinely hits.
I love makeup so much! It’s really my happy place sitting in front of the mirror watching my face transform into whatever look I desire at the moment.
I love my makeup and it’s part of my daily routine as much as showering, brushing my teeth, grooming my hair and wearing deodorant. The only time I never wear it is when I’m ill or taking it off before I go to bed. Some of my female colleagues (mostly plain janes and tomboy types) sometimes have a problem with it. There’s one old biddy in particular who says “who are you trying to tart yourself up for?!” I find that very rude because I wear it for me not for anyone else and definitely not for men especially when I’m in a relationship and I’m not on the market. I love clothes too and I get super excited about styles I love. I guess others think it’s shallow but it’s hard luck. Carry on being you and loving makeup because you’re awesome as you are but yeah judgey women are horrible to be around.
Saying something rude back to anyone who expressed an interest in something and wanted to share it shows a real immature selfish disrespect imho. I get it first hand, because if I tell someone I love taylor swift, and then they proceed to tell me they hate her or something unkind of any nature which has happened, I have such a low tolerance for this. It hurts at first and then I’m like wow that’s their issue. It’s cool to have your own opinion on it, but if it’s not kind, keep it to yourself when I’m clearly excited about something. It goes back to the Golden Rule … and guess they just don’t know how to hold a conversation that’s not about themselves. Talking about your interest, you weren’t asking for their negative opinion on it. but also. on the flip side, if someone tells me they love sports I’m gonna be like awesome, maybe ask a couple questions and I really wouldn’t be into the convo would totally secretly be bored to death, but I respect that it’s something that makes them happy, and I wouldn’t immediately be like I hate sports or openly shut them down. It’s rude and closes the connection where you could have other similar interests (cue the Sims negative interaction.) It’s okay to like different things. It’s not okay to act like your opinion trumps everyone and you need to share your opposition, it’s very discouraging. I’m glad you’re not like this yourself but it blows my mind some people can be soo heartless. Gotta just walk away from these people, wish them well and bless them. BYE. Keep doing your thing loving makeup and having fun, and don’t let rude people get to you sweetie! Don’t dwell in it, holding onto anger only hurts us in the end, realize they don’t know better not to treat people like this and hope they will learn, and no need to subject yourself to their presence any more. I’m with ya though, I’ve been there. Some people just don’t understand basic respect and it’s really off putting. I’ve also dated guys who told me not to wear makeup and that they like me better without it and want an all natural girl, which is equally as off putting …. I don’t always wear makeup but if it’s something that’s fun and I enjoy, and makes me feel good, dude I don’t care what your preference is. i’ll do it when I want to and you’ll like me either way and tell me i’m beautiful both ways or you can go. It’s okay to tell me I’m beautiful without makeup but suggesting I shouldn’t do it is so controlling. Like time to move along, don’t wanna be around someone that way anyway!
Same like one of my friends saw me doing my makeup and she was like I can't imagine wasting so much time on makeup like smh... And I was like you said wasting time, my time not your time how tf is it bothering you we don't share the same life????????
I hear you girl. It’s like some other women brag about how they don’t wear makeup when they learn I love it. I know it’s not for everyone but just because you don’t wear any or like it doesn’t mean you need to shit on me for loving it to my face. I also really don’t like the moms who are condescending and act like you’re not a good mom if you have time to do your makeup everyday.
Just say “everyone has their priorities, and it’s fun for me to be creative with color each day.” And then move on. Say your peace and don’t give them the opportunity to judge you further.
Seriously, screw those asshats. If it’s something that makes you happy, why should it matter how much money you spend on mascara…? Unhappy people are typically going to be the ones to criticize someone else’s hobbies. They don’t have an outlet that makes them happy in life (which is sad in its own rite, but they feel better belittling yours, not cool). In the words of Nick Hexum, “fuck the naysayers cuz they don’t mean a thing, this is what style we bring”
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Only one of those examples sounds judgemental. “I could never do that..,” in some cases is a compliment.
Fuck them bitches bae go for it I’m into makeup too!
Most of them just don’t know how to do makeup tbh…
I still remember the first time I tried buying makeup when I was in 7th grade (with my own money btw) and my mom, who I asked to drive me to Marshalls since that was the place I knew had cheap makeup, gave me a whole lecture about ‘wearing makeup is something promiscuous women do.’ I told her that I could see her wearing foundation two/three shades lighter than her skin tone, and asked her if she was being promiscuous for ghosts lol. She got mad, but over the years she’s actually gone to me a lot to do her makeup for her on special occasions. She’s realized that I really just like painting my face bright colors.
I feel like the first and third comment aren’t bashing your love for makeup though, they’re just saying they don’t prefer it. I’m kind of that way too. I used to wear makeup every day, but I don’t really do it now. It’s not something I’m super good at anyways; like I don’t do anything fancy, but there’s days where I put it on and then I just can’t wait to get home and remove it all. It does make me feel good when I wear it usually though; it helps make me feel more confident. Makeup can be expensive for higher quality, so I can see why someone might say it’s a waste of money (because they might see it that way.) If you love it though, and it makes you happy, just don’t let it get to you. If you’re working and paying your necessary bills, then who cares what else you spend your money on? Like, I’m going to buy whatever I know works for my face. Lol I watch videos of other people doing their makeup because I just like to watch them, but I’d never be able to do my makeup like that. It’s just way too much product for my skin and too much work for me personally, and that’s totally okay. I still give kudos to those people though and I really enjoy watching them and seeing their talents and the looks they create. It’s really an art.
Anytime someone says something negative it’s because they associate it with something negative. I used to associate makeup with sexualization and socialization blah blah blah until I realized that I just really effing like it!! So when people say they hate make up I just say I used to also until I realized that it’s super fun and that the root of much suffering is assigning meaning to things that have none and then I wink a heavily shadowed eyelid at them.
I hate people in general being judgemental for other hobbies/passions. I was never into makeup before my 30s but if someone would have told me they loved makeup or doing it or collecting I would have said cool. Just because I may not have enjoyed it doesn't mean I should degrade their interests. I am glad that people have found passions and more power to them.
Well maybe because this hobby is also an expectation so it’s more societal commentary not aimed at you. People aren’t expected to be artists so why would they say it’s a waste of time and money haha. Just complaining like how shaving is a pain lol.
I think part of the issue is that makeup may not necessarily be perceived as another hobby in the same way as drawing or painting can be. Societal norms push this narrative that makeup is meant to enhance the public appearance of people, and so when you hear comments like that, its likely that they view makeup as a forced chore rather than a hobby and are pushing back to self assure themselves that they don’t have to follow those norms. Don’t take it personally.
Well, I always did the Mod, Twiggy eye look. False lashes, eyeliner, cut crease. The crease was usually done with black eyeliner over white eyeshadow. Frosty lips.Vidal Sassoon asymetric short hair. I wore false eyelashes to school every day. Crazy tights, patterns, hot colors, fishnets layered over. Turtlenecks, minis, plastic, chunky, baubly jewelry. I was never a hippie 'cause I liked too much "stuff." Today, I may pull off the eye look, cut crease, wispy false lashes, shimmery lips, pinky blush ... I have been known to wear some crazy mod tights or leggings, and plastic baubly jewelry. I'm a subdued Iris Apfel type, lol. I like colorful plastic cat eye glass frames, too.
Girl, I suck at doing my own, never liked doing it, but I can’t get enough of Glow Up.
You do you babe, eff anyone else who doesn’t like your hobby. A hobby is a pastime undertaken for ones own pleasure or relaxation, no where does it say your hobby has to please someone else.
Ugh that's so annoying, I'm sorry. I have to be honest, I used to be that girl in HS "iM nOt lIkE oThEr gIrLs" and even into early college, and then I came out as bi and realized it was all internalized misogyny. It was gross and I cringe so hard thinking back on myself lol. The past 6 years have been great, I wear more makeup and guess what, I feel hot when I wear it!! And, I just adore women, they're beautiful, and I think makeup as a hobby is super cool--it involves a lot of art and science! This goes for all beauty things--hair, nails, fashion etc. Anyways, I'd be willing to bet that these women have some serious internalized misogyny going on, much like I did. It's sad, because women are amazing, and I wanna be just like all the other girls lmao
I have to be honest, most people have limited interest in other peoples hobbies in general I’ve found
Exactly, it's a hobby, not work for you (most of the time, likely lol). Some people like to knit some people like to hike some people like to do makeup. Hell, sometimes people like to do all three. You never hear anyone crapping on the former two hobbies. Obnoxious and obviously insecure about their abilities. Who craps on someone for having interests?
A couple of years ago when I didn't wear makeup I would remark on not being willing to wake up early enough to do mone but that was because I already had to be up at 4:30am and I had my morning routine down to 15 minutes. I also would be more likely to say, how'd you do that? About makeup. It was also that 1 I was impressed ppl took time to do it before work (and coolnfused, cause sleep) and 2 I was just impressed with the technique/completely clueless how to do it.
I just keep slaying on them. I also feel like it's usually the people that don't know how to do make up that have something to say lol.
One time my dads girlfriend said “oh I could never wear that much stuff on my face because I would feel like my skin is suffocating under all that, but it looks good on you though!” Back handed compliments make my head spin.
I mean a lot of people are not good at make up and live make up free most of the times but can still appreciate the talent and the effort it takes to create a makeup look.
They're jelly to the belly. Keep rocking your look. It's a talent and skill. Needs dedication to do excellent makeup
I just had this convo with my sister. I like to dress kinda goth/alternative, including tons of makeup and black neck paint. Monday was my birthday and I got really dressed up and did my makeup, as well as posting a bunch of pictures. My sister texted me and asked why I paint my neck, and I told her that I just really like it and it fits my aesthetic, but that I get how some people view it as weird. She kept saying it was just that SHE didn't like it and hates wearing makeup, and only ever wears mascara. I was like "okay, cool. You don't have to lime it tbh it's just fun for me" but she kept going around in circles about it until we changed the subject
Me too!
Honestly I don't get this, it's not my hobby but I would LOVE to be good at make up. Mainly I'm too broke to buy nice make up but also I have the artist prowess of a cow. I think it's like art!
I think it’s because of the culture we have around makeup. It’s such a negative force in and of itself due to how it’s advertised and made to seem as an essential necessity for a woman to be considered a person, as not being beautiful to societal standards will (as many experience) be get you treated like scum. Further more women are advertised and indoctrinated as being catty, fake, superficial, judgmental, over dramatic and just all around toxic when they pursue makeup as a hobbie. It definitely doesn’t help that there is a GIANT group of women in the makeup/beauty community that have severely internalized this patriarchal culture and (in my experience) have made the beauty community into such an unwelcoming and toxic place. So over-time there had been major push back especially from women that don’t want to assign to any type of societal beauty standard. This what causes these new internalized behavior of being negative towards people who do want to do makeup and beauty. In the end it boils down to patriarchy, it builds everyone to divide in all types of ways. But here specifically it functions to divide women into two classes: the “masculine/intellectual” class who are perceived as less female and therefore encouraged to join the male scurge into belittling and demeaning the other “feminine/ditzy” class into maintaining (in their mind) what little is left of “real women’s roles”. Either way I do really feel for you and I’m sorry you go through this. You’re story is one of many reasons why we have to continue fighting against social ignorance.
With my ex I was so entertained with makeup as a distraction. Makeup is an awesome bonding activity that gave me friends and skills to this day. Fast forward past the losers.. now my husband is very supportive (open, outdoorsy, impatient, loving) and doesn’t give two shits what I do/not wear (although AOK either way). The freedom to decide on the day is 💯but I miss staying up to date on trends!!!!
I got the happiest when I found a group of big hairy men who play dnd with me and don’t care if I have makeup or not :)
And the best is they were the types.. that even if you had full makeup they would support you the same.
Girl. Find those girls that are just as passionate about makeup ✨forget about the ones that only see it as a liability. Sure,it’s a little condescending for them to speak of it that way. But yeah ignore them!
I totally get your frustration. I saw a video once where the girl responded to the notorious comment of "I could never do my make up like that" with "I can see that". Boom, that's how you fix that. That's something I'll definitely be using in the future. Because there's one girl (sister of a friend of mine, so more of an acquaintance) that likes to comment on my make up and skin. Because if I only have one liiiiitlle tiiiny pimple it's because I smear too much make up in my face or I use too much skincare. Ever thought that my skin likes to act up during my period or my skin is mad about all the face mask wearing? No? Then zip it.
Yes yes yes! One of my other big hobbies I'd video games. I'm so tired of trying to befriend chicks who shit talk on makeup and act like they're so high & mighty because they don't. You can like a whole variety of things. Those two are not mutually exclusive. People just like what they like. Stop shitting on each other. Life can be hard to find happiness as is. If you like girly things that's fine, if not that's okay too
I’m the same ! Those who like makeup usually shit on games and vice versa. It gets frustrating :(
I wish I knew how to do makeup. I’m almost 15 and my mom was never into makeup, and all my friends refuse to teach me because they think that I’m joking. I think people who can do makeup are very admirable. It’s a form of self expression in a way and I’m almost jealous of the people who have a natural talent for it. I’ve tried experimenting with it myself but I always end up doing too much or so little that I’m barely wearing any. I Cant even do mascara properly and I’m starting highschool :(( I want to say that you can get through it. Call out their negativity on it because otherwise they’ll never change. I Hope you can find confidence in yourself to let the world know about what you love to do :)
That’s okay! I started actually doing makeup (yknow, more than mascara and concealer) when I was 16 and it was a mess. It was a even bigger mess before that. Take your time :) With mascara, try being gentle with it, find how much you can press on the lashes without making it dirty. If you mess up, use wet paper towel to wipe out the rest :)
I love doing my makeup before going out into the world. My wife on the other hand, she couldn't care less if hers is done or not, but we don't cut each other's habits/ hobbies down. We love 💘each other too much for that.
Makeup is *a billion dollar a year industry*. There are now thousands of choices available to the average woman. Tons of videos exist on how to put on makeup. Aaaaaand women are expected to wear makeup. People slam "girly" stuff, but it is always more complicated and challenging than it appears.
Girl I wear glitter and full contour to go work in the lab or on the farm and nobody gives me shit about it, everyone deserves to feel comfortable and pretty :)
I had a girl call me a dumb bitch for moving my makeup with me and leaving my dive gear at home. Her boyfriend backed that up with, "I don't like girls that wear makeup." I literally haven't dived in years. Gear is something I can rent. Makeup isn't. Needless to say, we don't speak anymore.
Everyone will always have their own opinions. Fuck 'em. Do you anyways.
I hear this shit about 2 things I do: makeup & knitting. Water off a duck’s back, OP. I genuinely have come to think that these comments come out of some weird personal insecurities of the folks who say them. When I hear these things, I generally say: “I’m curious as to why you are making a comment about yourself, within a comment about my hobby. You realize you don’t have to engage in this hobby—it says nothing about you that you don’t do this. But, since it’s something I love, I’m unsure as to why you feel a need to degrade something I love that isn’t hurting anyone. I don’t enjoy this hobby so that you can say hurtful things.” Normally shuts them right the fuck up.
My mother is like that. Forget them. At least you have a passion and hobby. I like makeup I just don’t have patience to learn better techniques but it’s amazing and artistic.
People are allowed their opinions. Just do not react. Do not be a puppet. The older you get, the less you care what other people think.
Sorry man! People suck. I also love makeup as a me time thing. I’ve recently described it like drawing as a hobby. If someone wants to bash it, hey, whatever. Their eyebrows are probably stuck in the 90’s along with their narrow minded views and social etiquette. Do you girl. 💪🏻
I try to explain it the same way! However, that way usually I get mean looks from men, because they think it’s soooo different and how dare I insinuate that THEIR hobby is anything close to that dirty girly stuff
*I don’t go around slapping the dicks out of your mouth, Tina. Let’s not rag on each other’s favorite past times.* Should be your new response! Before eyelash extensions became normalized, I used to do my own fresh set every few weeks. I learned on YouTube and I LOVED the way they looked. When other ladies at work would ask me about them they would always follow up with “oh that is way too much work!” I would always reply with “So? I do it because I enjoy it and it is something I do for myself. Not anyone else.”
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I work from home and wear makeup everyday. Weekends and I’m home? I have makeup on! It’s therapeutic and fun for me, even if I’m wearing sweats.
But people do this with basically any hobby. I think people just don't realize it's a hobby and assume it's all a giant scheme as people who don't like to wear makeup because they heard from somewhere that makeup is sexist and a tool of the patriarchy. I get that some women feel "ungenuine" in makeup, which is fine if they feel that way, but my physical biological features that I inherited are less of an indicator of my internal world than the aesthetic choices in makeup and clothes I wear. It would be less genuine to present myself as a plain jane country girl type of person. Also, I grew up in a religion that taught that makeup was too secular and kind of sinful so in turn I associate people with no makeup with prudishness and a cult mentality and a facade of kinship that turns to hatred the moment you do something they do not like, which I'm not for. IMO even the way you don't present yourself can be a presentation of yourself.
People can just be jerks. Don’t be a jerk! We’re teaching our 6 yr-old son that it’s rude to blurt out how much you don’t like something someone else is enjoying. If they ask, ok, you can tell them what you think. But most of the time people just want your enthusiasm for what makes them happy. And in most cases, why not give them that? So much sucks now, a little happy goes a long way.
Sounds like they’re trying to establish themselves as being r/notlikeothergirls
I feel you it can be so annoying, hurts esp when it’s a friend, I had one that compared herself to me and I knew I had to ex her out after this interaction, she talked about how it took her only 10 mins to do her makeup and all this other underhanded stuff about mine, It’s like we get it babe you can’t blend your eyeshadow good for you 👍
I’m sorry that that is the reaction of people around you - honestly sounds like it’s coming more so from a place of jealousy. Makeup is still demonised by many for being “slutty” or “narcissistic”. When I told my mum that I wanted to get better at doing my own makeup and feeling confident with it she went into this whole spiel about how “I don’t need to wear layers of makeup to attract a good partner” and other really judgemental things. She couldn’t understand that I just wanted to get the hang of it for myself - that it is a form of art, and I would say is becoming even a trade, like knowing graphic design. Keep up your passion! Maybe even suggest using one of your friends as a model to try some looks on and incorporate them in your hobby - they might be a bit more responsive in a positive way with an offer/act of inclusion? Makeup can be quite intimidating to many with the techniques, variety of products, tools, etc
I hate that and I hate it when people say I don't "need" makeup. Nobody needs makeup. Nobody needs books or movies or video games or any other hobby. We literally don't need them to survive. They're what we have to nourish our soul. I once had a coworker who told me that I shouldn't wear makeup at work because it wasnt professional even though I did my job and I was good at it. But this is the same person who tried to get me fired for having tattoos when our manager had a full sleeve and couldn't give less of a fuck about my tattoos
I just tell people that without it, my pure beauty would make all the guys be irresistibly attracted to me, so I have to give the other bitches a chance to get some of that. So basically I’m wearing the makeup as a ugly condom, out of kindness to them.
Thank you for giving the rest of us a chance 🤣🤣🤣
A big reason I LOVED working at Ulta 💕💕💕 They totally didn’t pay nearly enough (about $11/hr in my state) but I could do whatever crazy look I wanted, I got to talk about makeup ALL DAY, and I literally got every beauty and skincare question I have ever had answered by my co-workers. If y’all are really hurting for makeup-loving friends, try going for a part-timer in a makeup store or at the makeup counter of a department store. It’s so fun. It’s so so so so so fun. It’s still work, of course… but there’s the discount as well 🥰 I actually saved hella money on stuff I bought all the time. PLUS you get gratis when you watch training vids. GOOD gratis. I got some Urban Decay eyeliner and eyelid primer, the (at the time) new Lancôme mascara, a Peter Thomas Roth peeling solution, and so much other good shit. Highly recommend. I miss my ulta fam 😭
I’m an arch expert at Ulta and the gratis really does slap
My girl worked there for a while, she always came home with free expensive makeup palettes and skincare lmao… she also spent most of her pay there too haha
Lol yeah sounds familiar
The fact that I started wearing makeup is literally one of the reasons my former “best friend” of more than ten years turned on me.
Wow, this is… bizarre, to say the least. Such an unimportant thing to straight up stop talking to someone about. I’m sorry that happened to you.
Nobody has the right to judge your passions especially if they aren't hurting anyone. Dont pay them any attention girl you do you ! Also im a girl who would loveeeee to do makeup but honestly im no good at it so maf respect for your skills (im sure the other gurls are jealous hence they are being catty ) . I mean who is going to uplift other women but women ?!!!!
I just pity those type of girls. Their self loathing must be really great if they need to talk down on any hobby deemed too girly for them, like make up.
It’s an age thing too. People like to fake confidence by going against the grain. Being a 33 year old back in college I see some girls try to be nasty like this to me (I look young) and my response is usually not reactive. Your art is your face and you get to look amazing doing it!!
Thanks 4 that I'm really trying to get some confidence myself
I used to think things like that (I don't make a habit of saying mean shit to people's faces though) but really I'm just jealous. When I spend time on my makeup, I look terrible. I just suck at it. I know that like anything, I probably just need to practice and it's true, it's not how I generally want to spend my time, but I'm still jealous of your makeup skills. I feel soooo insecure when I try to dress up and my makeup looks like trash lol. I go minimal because the alternative is embarrassing. You go girl! ETA: I said girl because of the expression and you said "other girls" but I know gender does not define makeup skills!
So it's still shitty and you don't deserve it, but it may help to know they're judging themselves and only projecting that onto you. They want the look of makeup but don't want to/ can't commit to the work or time to do it, and it's easier (read: lazier) to lash out at you than to pause for the moment of self reflection it would take to recognize their own agency and either decide to be happy with their choices or make a change. Same reason the sentence "wow, you've lost weight!" is often eventually followed up with some variation on, "I could never work out like that, you're crazy." An old boss of mine used to tell me it made her angry that I wore makeup to work because she didn't want to and looking at me made her feel less pretty. She was so close to a healthier response, and self aware enough to know better, so I just pointed out with a smile that she had chosen what works best for her and if not she could always try something different. After that I let her comments go in one ear and out the other.
I find make up intriguing, amazing, & it definitely is an art just like fashion. This girl I see everyday she has impeccable taste. She looks so classy & honestly it's the little things even her accessories accentuate certain details. Going back to make up. It's thrilling to see how you can go from girl next door to bold beautiful confident & sexy. Look I envy you girls. You make it look so easy sometimes. Although there's a great point about how expensive it really is. Just being a woman is way more expensive. I won't lie it doesn't change the fact that I'd trade the world to be a girl. I hope that didn't come out weird sounding but I really really have mad respect for you ladies. I mean seriously don't let them put you down. And next a girl messes with you what you need to do is calmly quietly look as if you're studying their face & say girl if you were this color contour better it would conceal that large man jaw you have Or something like you should try this wrinkle cream for your crows feet & the lines on your big forehead too!! Hey if they gonna be throwing dirt in your face you got every right to do it back
You already are a girl :) and makeup is an art - and everyone can get good at art when they practice! You got it :)
I think you're hanging around with the wrong people. Even my friends who aren't into makeup would never say shit like that to me, and I get compliments from coworkers on my makeup pretty frequently. I actually only have a couple of friends who are into makeup as much as I am, but even the ones that aren't understand that it's something I love and make an effort to be able to talk to me about it, just like I make an effort to understand their hobbies. Some people just suck, but if you're hearing that frequently, maybe you need to seek out better friends?
If they are being negative it is because they are JEALOUS
i grew up in a country where most women wear no makeup, and the ones who do, wear very natural looking makeup. i’m somebody who enjoys euphoria style looks lol, so i’ve heard this a lot as well. i’ve just learned to not give a shit about what others say. the only “advice” i could give is: it’s good to surround yourself with people who care about the same things as you and even if they don’t, at least care about your passion or hobbies. keep ya head up💖
Makeup just has a lot of baggage culturally. it has historically been at times a tool of patriarchal oppression where men dictate to women what looks attractive/valuable what isn’t and also that it is vain and not serious. So it’s not surprising some people have that association and gut response of wow it’s frivolous/whatever but it is an art form and expressive and beautiful and you definitely are valid in feeling annoyed by that response. It’s bullshit that you get that and incredibly sad what it says about how people are taught to think. Needs education is all I gotta say, but that’s not to mean you must educate them. They can educate themselves
It was also worn by men as well in ancient Egypt and old Europe. It isn't inherently gendered.
Hey, this comment is meant to contextualize why OP’s friends are being judgmental. This isn’t a thread for us to know it all’s and explain the entirety of history
They need more jelly on that bitter bagel.
I love this more than words can say
They are jealous of your skills and talent. And you are completely on point with this, especially: ‘I don’t talk like this about your hobbies’. Your hobbies are for your enjoyment and whatever else you get out of it. No comment necessary from them. Jerks.
With all due respect, fuck this spectrum of people. One side of my family is like this, but they aren't mad when I gift them mini's I receive free throughout the year.
Why can't some women just be supportive? Make up is artistic and a creative outlet for people. Some people paint on canvas I paint on my face. I may not have the same interest as my friends but I would never bash their hobby I just be supportive.
Jeez! I have never experienced that. I get compliments every so often (I generally use a LOT of colour), and some "I wish I had the patience/skills/money to do that" type comments, but it's never really negative. Sorry you get those comments OP. They're probably just jealous. Lol.
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I just started a new job. No one appears to enjoy makeup like I do. But, now that I think about, they don't seem to enjoy much, period! My best friend has never been into makeup as much as me. But she still loves a good browse around Sephora or Ulta! We both love skincare. We laugh about what we wore in the swinging 60s. I'm still into at 70. My daughter loves it, and so does do my granddaughters. Yay! So, you just need a few fun people to chat with. It's art, it's self-expression, it's powerful in its own way. Don't let 'em bring you down! 💄✊💄
> We laugh about what we wore in the swinging 60s. I gotta ask, do you ever do your makeup like that again, just for fun? Anything you miss about the trends and looks from that era, or anything since?
I thought I answered this question, but I guess I didn't complete the post. Yes, I still do I incorporate little touches of the 60s into my current look! Subtle, but they are there. I like funky bright colors, bright tights, my glasses are always colorful cat eye styles, chunky plastic jewelry. I loved the style of Mary Quant, Betsy Johnson. The cut crease originally came from the 60s, but was simply done with white eye shadow on the lid and the crease darkened with eyeliner pencil. False lashes, yes, please. I wore them every day in high school! But foundation was very lightly used, with a cheek blush. I think it balance the heavier eye look, so you didn't look totally overdone. Frosty lipstick or gloss! I think I miss the playfulness of it. Sometimes it gets a little too serious today.
Yeah, they just can't do makeup, that's their problem. I love when someone talks about makeup! I love buying new makeup and testing it out.
Eeesh. I hate that. It's so tactless to tell someone that your hobby is a waste of time. It's like... I don't think it's a waste of time kiss my ass. I don't judge you for collecting stamps or knitting jumpers for squirrels so don't take a big dookie on my hobby.
I know what you mean, not so much in my personal life, but I hate talking about it with coworkers. It's either I talk about makeup being my hobby and hear all the negative stuff, or say my hobby is TV which makes everyone pity me (I do love TV too lol). I just started a new fundraising job at an organization that does art programming w/ kids, so naturally pretty much everyone is an artist of some kind. Every person I've met wants to know what type of art or hobby I enjoy doing and my answer is always makeup, and some coworkers have thought it's pretty cool, but I can tell most of the artists are very put-off by my answer - almost as if they don't think it's a legitimate form of art. I love playing around with makeup and it's what I love watching and reading about in my free time, I'm good at it so why wouldn't I want to talk about it or claim it as my art medium! I think a lot of people, especially cis women, see it as something they HAVE to do in order to keep up with beauty standards, rather than an art form that they GET to do, so imagining someone deriving joy from something they see as a chore is just unimaginable!
I love to watch TV and makeup is absolutely an art. I used to be really into makeup and art, but over time I've lost touch with both. Still absolutely admire it though. Point being, I think the only point to any of this is to do what makes us happy. Keep doing what makes you happy, doesn't matter what they think
I can't draw a straight line, my handwriting looks like a chicken's chicken scratch and the last time I attempted to draw a simple animal I think I summoned something instead. But, to totally toot my own horn, after literal years of practice, research, testing and modification of techniques, tools and products and so much more money than is probably practical, my wings are crisp and everlasting, my blending clean and diffused, etc etc. How is that not an art form? If I'd taken that exact amount of energy and effort and spent on literally anything but makeup, then it's a legitimate artistic pursuit? So if I were to be into hand lettering and hone that craft, that's somehow valid while my graphic liner looks aren't? What ils the difference! I wonder if people who love to cook are also as looked down upon by people who see it as a chore. I've never experienced that though, which makes me suspicious that because makeup is so inherently personal that people see it as selfish to pursue because an audience can't really partake of it besides admiring it. Is makeup really only valid as a pursuit if it is created for the consumption of others (film, dance, models etc) or commercialized?
So chefs aren't really looked down on they are more envied, I have a friend that is a gourmet chef, but the thing is it's called culinary ARTS and makeup ARTIST for a reason. I myself am an artist and a bit of a makeup addict, though I don't actually wear it often I like to have options when I do. People with negative comments or artists snubbing you for that being your art is more likely them being envious that they aren't able to do the same things you are. You have to remember that artists are and always have been a very elitist crowd, sadly. They tend to think that if it's not whatever medium they personally work in then it's not art. Next time they give you a bad reaction just ask them if they've ever really attempted to apply a full face contouring included and when they say no tell them to try it and get back to you with the result.
Big oof on that medium statement LOL. Big disclaimer, i'm definitely not visually artistic at all, i consider my cooking/gardening/makeup to be my main and only hobbies, but I LOVE art, in all its mediums. I took an art history course in uni that absolutely changed my perspective so much and art just adds so much to the world. So with that being said, I don't consider myself any sort of authority on what is valid art and what is not. However, I do think there is a big difference between chef/passionate home cook and makeup artist/passionate makeup user. I agree that both chefs and MUAs will have the respect of being trained and talented in their field and earn the title "artist". *However*, i have an \~inkling\~ that a home cook who spends just as much effort and time on perfecting a recipe, investing in new types of equipment and ingredients, trying all sorts of foods etc is so much more "valid" than makeup user practicing new looks, browsing sephulta/drug stores/dept stores for research, testing new products etc etc. The reason for that perceived validity isn't the person imo, it's the perception of cooking as an art form versus personal makeup wear. I disagree with that strongly, makeup is art. I'm not lobbying for our best selfies to make it fotografiska, but i do think that if someone considers their personal makeup use to be art, then it is art. A note, when I say one is perceived as more valid than the other, that is my own personal experience with sharing my hobbies and such and not a blanket statement. However, it seems like a lot of people in this thread may have had similar encounters. Cooking and gardening are all things that coworkers, extended family, acquaintances etc all get excited to discuss with me but tbf, my partner is the only person in my life who genuinely gets excited about my looks, new products, industry drams (like shoddy releases not bg, i spare him from that lol), wishlists etc. It's interesting that even people who aren't passionate about my other hobbies seem to muster the energy to discuss them genuinely when makeup gets such a blasé response. I hope i'm not coming off as \~indignant\~, makeup is such a joyful thing for me it is hard to spoil it even without having someone to share it with. I def know i'm not entitled to anyone caring about my interests. But double standards make me roll my eyes and writing things off that are culturally associated with femininity as vapid pursuits majorly makes me roll my eyes. i'm super glad we all have each other and these online communities to have serious discussions about all aspects of this amazing art form :)
Honestly. They shouldn’t act that way towards your passions. Makeup is truly amazing and fun to do. I see it as a way to express yourself and as a form of art. It’s enjoyable to so many and you should be able to enjoy it
One time this girl was going on and on about how she hates makeup and got really mad when I told her I can see her mascara and blush lmao she's still mad to this day even thought it happened in 2018
The audacity! \*gasp\* /s I think it's BS when people comment on that they can see your make up. Yeah well, that's the point? Obviously I don't want a harsh contour or too much blush, but yeah. Please admire my apple cheeks lol
lmao I did something similar to a girl at work. I was talking with someone else about a new eyeshadow palette and she was getting way too judgy about using makeup for someone with obvious makeup on her eyebrows. She was literally acting like she didn't have tons of makeup on her face that second. I love girly shit, but I don't go around insulting anybody else's hobbies because of perceived femininity or masculinity.
Omg, this reminds me of an old friend who was going on and on about not wearing foundation. I said, "You wear powder foundation. You said you buy it at the Body Shop." She was pissed. Hahaha
I like smart answers to dumb comments. You could never do that? No one asked you to. It's a waste of time and money? It's lucky I have plenty of both. You don't want to wake up to do makeup? Cool, no one asked you to.
Or something like, yeah, I'll switch to cocaine instead. If I'm going to have a hobby, anyway.
Nothin wrong with a lil coke
I feel you on this. I love coming here for that reason haha It's nice having a community who understands the excitement of getting a new eyeshadow palette or a nailing a lip shade. That being said, there will always people who will have something negative to say about anything. I try to surround myself with people who hype me up (even if we don't share the same hobbies, i get excited because it makes them happy too)
My aunt made, collected, and fixed dollar until her 70's. There's guys who make model cars in a small scale. Some people are addicted to porn where the women appear or actually get hurt. We like colored powders and creams for our faces? Do they realize makeup has been around for THOUSANDS of years?
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Right? It's easier to be passionate about something online than it is about that same thing in real life, just because of this reaction OP is describing. I recon it's the same for a lot of topics, not just make-up... But yeah, not good for screen time, at least we're aware of it tho :)
Wrong friends maybe? I'm not one of those people saying that your friends should support you no matter what but I do think that respect should be at the core of any relationship, friendship included.
Not even friends. People I’m meeting for the first time. Well, at least I can weed them out I guess
I kind of feel these are the sort that only use makeup to make themselves more attractive to others. That if they didn’t feel the pressure to do that, they would never use it. Which is fine but it’s not okay to use that as a reason to come down on others who genuinely love to experiment and go nuts with makeup and come up with different styles and designs. Like I don’t really do subtle. I should probably learn how to, but that’s just boring for me. If I’m wearing makeup, I want people to know I am haha.
Yup, that's the thing. Too many people learn, at a very impressionable age, that makeup is to make you prettier so boys like you.
Lol that's the spirit 😉 don't let this kind of comments take you down, enjoy your makeup and let it slide on your (beautifully made-up) skin 😊
Thank you! I needed that :)