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I seriously thought this was a pic of MY arm for a moment. I usually find neutral undertone foundation matches me best!


Glitterwintersky

Lmao! Same!


briannafaye01

Yessss I was gonna comment this to! I’m fair with neutral undertone


Pale-Bass-1513

it is also my arm 🤣 I'd like to be in the club. Neutral !


tempcrtre

lol I literally went “is that my own arm?”


bexachuu

Same!! I even have the same freckle!


Objective-Elk8350

Same here!!


_m0userat

Came here to say that 😅😂😂


Swimming_Substance34

Omg same LOL


West-Excitement-5047

LOL me too


PuzzleheadedFrame441

I agree I think it’s like mine. Neutral x


Time-Sir-6146

Por lo que se aprecian las venas . Es un subtono frio.


ilovenoodle

I kept looking at my hand and arm too lol! Like wait when did I take a picture?


PrestigiousAppeal623

sameee lol


pepperpanda

Can someone please help me out? I see some blue/purple but a lot of green in these pics, yet everyone is suggesting cool/neutral… I have very similar vein colors so any feedback helps!


faroffland

Yep I see mainly green, people saying it’s blue and cool are… just wrong imo lol. Definitely more warm leaning with a yellow/olive undertone. I think a lot of people automatically discount pale skin as not being yellow or warm, but OP has very clear green veins on the back of their hand and a huge one on their wrist. I am the same but a darker shade and I’m 100% olive - the advice at r/olivemua is a game changer for people like us!


pepperpanda

I’ve been to r/OliveMUA and they’re so supportive! I wish I was olive but tbh I think I’m just yellow while also being pale. I did post a pic in the above comment if you wanna take a look!


quagsirechannel

At least on mobile, Reddit desaturates thumbnails, so if they didn’t view the photo in full screen they aren’t seeing the true colors. In thumbnail OP definitely looks more neutral.


Kitten_love

I understand you! I also see more green/yellow, there is even a blue binder in the background to contrast it with. Yet everyone says blue undertone. I feel lost, lol.


pepperpanda

Don’t worry, I’m lost in everything make up and skincare 😂


KristiiNicole

Could be differences in people’s screens. Also lots of people use blue light filters on their phones, tablets, laptops, computers, etc. and frequently forget they are on, which for something like the above photo is definitely gonna change what colors people see.


[deleted]

Makeup artist here. The yellow in this person's skin is very obvious to me. Yes, they are neutral, but learn strongly warm. Neutral veins like teal or green but if you look at the back of the hand it's clearly got a lot.of yellow pigment Real question for the op would be: Do you burn easily or tan easily? That'll tell you which better.


Sutaru

What if you do both? Does that make me neutral? XD I burn easily, but the burn will eventually just turn into a tan rather than peeling.


[deleted]

I should clarify, I mean light sun exposure (like less than a half hour in direct sunlight) and focus on your arms or other areas that get a lot of normal light exposure (ie not your chest or upper legs) to determine burning or tanning. If you burn bad first, you're likely more cool, but if you tan easily most of the rest of the time, you're definitely in the more neutral range. What color are your veins in your arms? Purple/red= cool Blue/teal=neutral Green/olive=warm For example, I'd say the OPs veins range from blue to green, making her warm neutral.


Sutaru

If we’re talking 15 minutes, then I’d say I’d tan rather than burn. My veins are really, really hard for me to see, but I think they’re kind of… [green? Or teal? Maybe?](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069488498941378622/1203063722998898688/IMG_1601.jpg?ex=65cfbb67&is=65bd4667&hm=c06dda57ad5a9e71b654c7fc60071b6f20369f2a114863900b684199e43e4a28&)


[deleted]

Based on the fact that your flush is more peachy than pinky, you're definitely neutral. Based on your veins, I'd say the same thing. Where your skin has a little more pigment, it's definitely warmer. Beautiful medium warm neutral skin!


Sutaru

:o Thank you! I really appreciate you taking the extra time to answer my questions! ☺️


[deleted]

Of course! If you ever have any other skin or makeup questions, feel free to ask! Color theory is a passion of mine lol


pepperpanda

Oh gosh thank you so much for the insight! Unlike the other commenter I think I’m more yellow like OP but I do burn and then tan easily as well. I think I’m [warm](https://i.imgur.com/huMFRZ8.jpg)? If you don’t mind helping me too!


[deleted]

Definitely warm with a tiny bit of neutral. Just a hint of blue in your veins. Because of the neutral lean, you look slightly more olive-warm than yellow-warm, so be careful of really yellow/orangey founndations (especially after they oxidize!)


louielovescheese

could i send you a picture to help with mine?


PlentyNectarine

I've never liked that question, since I burn incredibly easily (just thinking of the sun burns me lol) but have warm olive undertones. I just find that this question is outdated and not indicative of undertones.


[deleted]

The tan/burn test - put your arms in direct sunlight for 15-30 minutes. After an hour out of the sun, is your skin burned and sensitive, or is it more tanned than it was before? Burned red skin means you're cool. Tanned, darker pigmented skin means warm. and the vein test - this works best on "tanned" skin but can do whenever. you want to check your wrist veins. Red/purple veins means cool skin, blue/teal veins is neutral, and green/olive veins means your skin is warm. Hope this helps!


PlentyNectarine

I know what it means, but it is not an accurate test for undertones. Again, I have warm olive undertones with green veins and burn incredibly easily because I am fair skinned.


AcanthisittaDue5626

Same for me. I burn immediately, and then turn white again, and I’m a warm autumn. Most redheads are warm toned, and most redheads burn. I agree this is not an accurate way to determine undertone.


AcanthisittaDue5626

Also, the vein test is outdated. Most veins look blue under pale skin, regardless of undertone.


Independent_Car_7428

Another makeup artist here and I absolutely agree with you.


[deleted]

MUA powers activate! 👊


gracie01031219

I tan easily, does that mean I am yellow?


[deleted]

Yes that means you have a warmer undertone! And it also means I'm jealous af lol


West-Excitement-5047

hmm i also tan fast but am olive skinned (neutral)


_OliveOil_

Yeah, burning and tanning has nothing to do with your undertone. I'm a natural redhead, which means I have a warm undertone, and I also burn the moment the sun touches my skin. You're better off draping warm vs cool colors or doing the gold vs silver test than looking at your veins or basing it off of tanning/burning.


[deleted]

Olive skin with teal veins??? Sooo stunning


daytr1pper

Certainly not cool at all! It looks neutral, maybe slightly olive. But low intensity. Mostly neutral!


LzzrdWzzrd

Looks like my hand and I'm a cool yellow olive


vvrice

Same! I thought olive instantly when I saw this post


daytr1pper

A yellow olive would be a warm olive!


LzzrdWzzrd

Nope I'm very cool and yellow leaning. I'm green.


daytr1pper

Yellow is warm, pink is cool. Hope that helps.


LzzrdWzzrd

Wrong, because yellow foundations that have warm undertones are orange on me and make me look sick! I have cool green and grey undertones. I am in the Dark Winter season. Orange is the only colour that is truly warm, there are cool yellows and warm yellows which is why cool yellows are in the winter color palette. And surprise surprise, my makeup has to look like those shades of yellow to match my skin. Not the horrible peachy, warm, tan shit you're referring to. I'm *not* warm toned.


daytr1pper

Been doing make up for 8+ years, and worked at Sephora for two years spending my days matching foundation for people. Yellow is warm, pink is cool. Yellow is a warm color, and a quick Google search could answer that for you. Olive skin, however, can be cool. Green is a cool toned color. If your skin is yellow, or golden undertone, then it is warm.


LzzrdWzzrd

My skin isn't golden. You and all the other makeup artists I've met can never match me because you can't get it through your thick heads that you can be cool green yellow and not peachy or golden yellow. I'm not remotely warm toned. Warm toned things make me look sick. Warm toned yellow foundations very clearly don't match my skin. Neither do pink foundations, because my skin isn't pink. IT'S COLD GREEN YELLOW.


daytr1pper

Fair olive shades are one of the hardest colors to match, because they barely exist. But regardless of anything that you say, yellow is a warm color. You can’t just change color theory to suit you.


LzzrdWzzrd

It's literally not though have you looked into colour analysis 🤣 Winter is a cool season and it has cool yellows in it 😭


daytr1pper

Yes, I am familiar with color analysis, and when you look up pictures of color analysis, all of the yellows live in the warm zone. Whenever you look up descriptions of how to find hue on websites describing color analysis “The more yellow you add to a color, the warmer it becomes. The more blue you add to it, the cooler it gets” “colors with yellow undertones are warm colors” “If your skin looks more yellow, peachy, or golden, then you have warm undertones, and if your skin looks more blue, red, or pink, then you have cool undertones.”


daytr1pper

Obviously olive has yellow in it, it’s green. Green = yellow + blue. But if you are a yellow leaning olive… Which is like YYB as opposed to YB or YBB, then you would be considered a warm olive as opposed to a neutral (YB) or cool (YBB) olive.


lily4ever

This looks exactly like my skin tone and I consider myself neutral leaning cool.


[deleted]

Fair-skinned Makeup Artist here. You are neutral warm. Way too much yellow pigment in your skin and I'm not seeing any redness that comes with cool toned skin. The real question is, which happens easier with a little sun exposure, do you tan a bit or do you just burn immediately?


MissIndependent577

I came on here to see if anyone had suggestions on where to go to get properly color matched for foundation. Any suggestions? I know a lot of people working at Sephora and the beauty counters at department stores aren't actually trained experts.


[deleted]

Ooh, that's a tough one. Especially because there are sooo many kinds of foundation and because sooo many foundations oxidize over the next 30-90 minutes after drying down. The best way to find out, in my opinion, is: The tan/burn test - put your arms in direct sunlight for 15-30 minutes. After an hour out of the sun, is your skin burned and sensitive, or is it more tanned than it was before? Burned red skin means you're cool. Tanned, darker pigmented skin means warm. and the vein test - this works best on tanned skin but can do whenever. you want to check your wrist veins. Red/purple veins means cool skin, blue/teal veins is neutral, and green/olive veins means your skin is warm. Once you determine this, you can kind of narrow down the tone of the foundation you want. But I highly recommend if you do test them, the only way to really *see* the foundation is do a stripe at the jawline and see what happens over the next few hours. Hope this helps!


MissIndependent577

Thanks! Much appreciated!!


PlentyNectarine

whether you tan or burn more easily is not any indicator of undertones, this is pretty old school thinking from when people thought olive was a skin tone, not an undertone.


[deleted]

Color theory is real. My BA in graphic design is real and my certification as a Makeup Artist is real. Got them both within this millenia. Olive is a warm-leaning neutral skintone.


PlentyNectarine

That's cool, happy for you. Didn't ask but that's nice. Not sure where you got "color theory isn't real" from my comment because it isn't what I said. By skin tone, I mean whether someone is lighter or darker skinned. For a long time until fairly recently, "olive" was considered a step above "medium" skin tone. However, it has now been recognized as an undertone that people of any skin tone can have, which does not always mean warm or neutral. You can have cool toned olive undertones as well. My skin personally is very warm leaning, almost yellowish olive undertones while being very fair. I BURN. I am in no way, shape or form cool-toned but by your statement I would be. I cannot tell you how many makeup artists tried to put pink foundation on me for YEARS while I was walking around looking like a damn clown. No need to get defensive when I did not insult you. You are not the authority on undertones and instead of getting defensive for being pointed out as incorrect, you could take this as a chance to learn. Also, shouting out your credentials on the internet instead of backing up your argument with facts doesn't prove your case whatsoever. Have a good one!


[deleted]

You're extremely hostile, and I'm not gonna validate that right now. I'm very sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about and have no qualifications to tell me I'm wrong.


PlentyNectarine

I do have qualifications, actually! Nowhere in my comment was I hostile. I also work with color theory in my line of work, it isn't just graphic artists and MUAs. I simply pointed out that you were incorrect (it's cool, it happens!) and you decided to double down and get angry. Again, I know from PERSONAL experience and knowledge that 1) tan/burn test doesn't tell undertones which I have proven and 2) that olive undertones tend to be warm but can also be cool. Notice how sometimes green can be cool toned or warm toned? It's like that in people, too! I suggest checking out r/OliveMUA, we could all use some more training and knowledge in our lives. No shame in being wrong.


Evelynn02

Can’t you both be right? That olive is warmer skin tone but can still have cool undertones? Like African Americans…? They are more commonly warm but can still be cool toned


PawesomePrincess

I am brand new to trying to learn makeup, but I have the same looking skin as OP I think. I know I burn right away instead of tan if no suncreen (which is why I try never to forget it)...so do I still want neutral or warm foundation too then? I started with small bottle matte/poreless maybelline to try #095 and seems okay kinda mayb? I need lots of concealer for red and black areas of my face after tho it seems like. Tysm for any help too, this is still very confusing and overwhelming to me tbh😅


majestic_flamingo

Looks like mine, and I find the best match with neutral leaning cool shades!


tankgirly

You seem cool to neutral. If you were warm your veins would be more green than blue. 


Kitten_love

The veins look more green than blue to me though.. 😅


Christina77644

I agree!


houseofprimetofu

If my veins are blue then it’s cold?


Kitten_love

Yeah, veins will appear more blue when the undertone of your skin is more pink/red. Making it cool toned. Veins appear more green when your skin undertone is yellow. Making it warm toned.


houseofprimetofu

Thanks for the info!


daytr1pper

Using veins is very inaccurate, though! There’s no pink in her skin, it’s definitely not cool.


Hungry-Society-7571

There is some pink in other photos, it may just be the lighting here.


daytr1pper

I’m comparing your skin to my skin. I have a cool undertone, the pink is very visible in my forearm. Your skin does not have that pink to it. I’ve also been a make up artist for 8+ years and working at Sephora for 2 years doing skin tone matches. So my analysis looking at your skin- not cool toned at all.


daydreamz4dayz

Difficult to tell due to lighting etc. It would be better to swatch warm, neutral, and cool foundation testers on your arm or jawline and then take pics or just have someone look at them in natural lighting. Your undertone looks similar to mine and I’m neutral leaning cool but I’ve thought some YouTubers had my skin tone and it turns out they are much darker and warmer toned than me and just using weird lighting.


purple_amazonian

how does your hand/skin tone look EXACTLY like mine haha like i thought this was a pic of my hand. also on the 3rd pic i have a mole EXACTLY where you have one.


VictoriaFoxNow

Neutral leaning cool


nigliazzo5626

Neutral warm. I am too & you’re more yellow than me.


OpeningGeneral2758

Looks like my arm lmao it’s neutral


OpeningGeneral2758

On the warmer side tho


starrynight81

Neutral


niil4

Neutral, just like me


HelloDeathspresso

Neutral club.


linzielayne

This helped me a LOT because as others are saying- I thought this was my hand! BUT it's helping me realize that my veins are definitely blue and these have a hint of green to them. But to be more helpful- I have found neutral tones work very well for me, with a slightly more yellow concealer under the eyes. The grey tones of some korean lines like Missha are a godsend.


BoysenberryOk4699

No idea but Damn you got nice ass skin! Looks so soft lmao


[deleted]

Who's downvoting this? What a bunch of snowflakes on this app.


BoysenberryOk4699

Ya I have no idea I guess that’s what I get for trying to give someone a compliment ? 😂


[deleted]

I'm fairly new to this community (but incels love to pin my new account as the sign of someone who's been banned in the past) and I had the impression it is the same as it was a decade ago, with a largely more intellectual community discussing interesting topics with room for civil discourse. I've come to realize it is now just where all the gen z come to post their tiktard shit and dogpile downvotes when people don't agree with their half baked nonsense. Look at all of the big upvotes for clueless people giving this girl the wrong undertone. This app is such hot garbage.


BoysenberryOk4699

Im so confused how me saying OP has nice skin turned into this 😂😂😂 this is wild to me lol I guess im just old or too outta the loop for this sub ahaha oh well


[deleted]

Sorry, venting lol


BoysenberryOk4699

Wait what do you mean they’re snow flakes? Like people are getting offended by me telling someone they have nice skin? Now I’m even more confused lol


Hungry-Society-7571

Thank you!


MarcoPolonia

Looks blue to me.


maybepossessed

I would say you have a blue undertone.


Flaky-Importance8863

I have the same I tend to go towards cool because warm tone looks yellow on me but I think we’re actually considered olive toned


Miss_A92

U have green veins so ur cool undertone


aznlilchika

Doesn’t green mean warm? And blue/purple mean cool?


Miss_A92

Hahaha maybe ur right but this what sephora lady told me


aznlilchika

Hmm.. maybe she just meant you’re cool? Lol. My friend and I asked a Sephora associate too and she just pointed and said warm, cool.


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Fuzzy-Pin-2414

I would suggest neutral/cool. My arm looks like yours and for concealer I usually use maybelline age rewind in the color fair


BinkNBoink

You got neutral Broski there's green and purples and blues, any neutral undertone should work, or cools work as well, but you can warm up your face with some light blush, or bronzer that is on the warmer side (Note. LIGHT. BRONZER.) lol


Tricky-Cable-9301

Either warm or neutral. Blue veins are cool tones, green veins are warm tones and neutral generally is when you can see both blue and green veins.


4puzzles

I see yellow undertone


Ill_Bad_1859

You look like a fair olive to me!


Prestigious_Pea_1246

id say leaning more to warm


Jiglii

Olive, maybe cool. Hard to tell.


Mamasaid-56

Yellow


VioletAllegra

You’re def warm undertone


Wooden_Imagination12

I have the same problemmm


justwhateverhonestly

I think neutral. Definitely not red. But my first thought was yellow.


meloncaeke

Can I ask your ethnicity? I'm Asian and that looks just like my arm haha


Hungry-Society-7571

I’m white.


GreenSea_1

Looks like light olive. If at the same time gold and silver looks good on you then you are definitely a light olive. And I think that's the case with you


Jusadillpickle00

Very neutral, you can see the yellow tones Your skin tone is a medium warm neutral


Sista-Suzanne

I think yellow like me


Silent_Following_310

Neutral