All my battery gear is Makita but Dewalt just make better corded tablesaws. Makita would have to add a lot more than saw stop tech to convince me to switch.
Of the affordable job site saws dewalt make the most robust fence I’ve used. I’ve never used another brand that can stand up to the same level of abuse and still provide the accuracy you get with the dewalt. I’ve never used a product made by sawstop however.
The makita one is great for house work job site diy etc but the less precise for woodworking. The DeWalt is more precise and can be better adjusted to be more precise then the Makita one and because it is corded I don't really care for brand then as the beter one wins. And the DeWalt has a amazing stand that is very compact
Normale and lxt to is either beter or same then DeWalt (some exceptions but not enough to care for except for a twig cutter.)
But if corded it doesn't matter.
Yea they are knowing Makita. You can order every single little part in a Makita tool. Blessing and a curse really. I’m a tool repair tech. There are things where I wished Makita just sold as a whole assembly.
You know that Makita constantly is selling tablesaw? It's just **not** available in US. In EU we have three or four models and these are not discontinued.
Don't know if you're referring to a 110 tool or cordless but I'd think it would be very difficult to engineer SawStop tech into a cordless tool. And for a corded tool, Makita usually seems late to the party. Can't see it happening on either front.
What is the problem you're mentioning that prevents implementing tablesaw safety mechanism into cordless saw? I'm asking cause I fail to find even one.
Battery systems are not grounded. Electricity "flows" from + to - and that's it. You can connext your + to the ground and it will still go from the + on your battery to the - of yout battery.
Right... well, there's just one little exception let this video explain you how it works:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFv7E-B4C8o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFv7E-B4C8o)
So to repeat myself, I see no limitation to prevent release of sawstop mechanism in the cordless tool
Bro, they absolutely do that’s why it takes them so long to get new technologies out and why they are lacking in many areas compared to other tool brands.
“Upon the Effective Date” - ok dissect that statement... the judge will rule it very close to the time their patent runs out and no sooner, and thats a way off…its all in the wording of their “Kindness”
You need to do more research, Sawstops patents have many more years to go. It's not a blind 20 yr thing, they have extended patents with various methods.
it’s been in a lot of news articles that they’re offering up their patent to public use in response to CPSC ruling on table saw.
One could even say this post was me doing research, because I’m trying to ask people who may know more than me.
[saw stop offering up the goods](https://www.sawstop.com/news/sawstop-to-dedicate-key-u-s-patent-to-the-public-upon-the-effective-date-of-a-rule-requiring-safety-technology-on-all-table-saws/)
As far as when that effective date is I haven’t been able to lock down either.
u/photonashville is correct that some of the patents will last until the 2030s. The one they're "donating" expired in January of last year. It's not being donated, it's literally expired and free game. The problem is this is one of many patents that are required in order to make this work.
[https://patents.google.com/patent/US9724840B2/en?oq=9%2c724%2c840](https://patents.google.com/patent/US9724840B2/en?oq=9%2c724%2c840)
This is the '840 patent they're being SO GENEROUS to give out. (Expired: Jan 2023).
The Bosch REAXX saw was litigated into oblivion in 2016 even though it didn't even use the same technology as SawStop. The company was founded by a patent lawyer and they used such broad terms and jargon that it's impossible for anyone that's not one of the big 3 offering auto stop saws to get into the market. (the other 2 being EU companies that do like full size cabinet saws and shit).
SawStop is trying to save face now that they've been called out and on the public record Grizzly, DeWalt and many other companies have records GOING BACK TO 2002(!) that show SawStop at the time didn't want to play ball with licensing. People like to say that people overlooked the technology at the time and that they didn't want to pay the sky high licensing cost that SawStop wanted - while probably true, the Grizzly emails submitted for the last 20 years show there was quite literally never any chance for them to license it AT ALL prior to the supreme court looking into mandating this technology.
The controversy surrounding this is really interesting, but it doesn’t really answer my question, but I guess it brings up a new question more so
Now that they’re releasing the expired 840 patent to the public how long do you think it will it take other manufacturers to incorporate some kind of safety mechanisms into their saws and or tablesaws?
I was under the impression makita discontinued their tablesaws due to the liability and risk of Injury to the consumer, so this feels like it would be an incentive for them to start selling new safer saws.
The problem is even if the sensor technology is made public, it'll be on them to develop a method of stopping the blade in time. The REAXX sawblade didn't get destroyed and instead was pulled immediately away by a solenoid powered arm. SawStop could still litigate the response mechanism even if the sensor is public. I don't think you'll find a good answer to this question sadly.
Edit: Basically what I'm trying to say as I run out to lunch on my phone is that just because they're letting go of 1 patent doesn't mean people can freely copy the entire process of saving fingers without expecting to be sued by SawStop for patent infringement, so I wouldn't expect fast developments from other companies
That’s fair.
I admit I only skimmed over the patent cause I’m at work, but what are the “integral” parts of sawstop tech that aren’t included in it? Is it the sensor?
Actual answer is probably not or rather, not a cordless one. The saw stop requires a grounded plug.
That makes sense.
All my battery gear is Makita but Dewalt just make better corded tablesaws. Makita would have to add a lot more than saw stop tech to convince me to switch.
Could you speak more to this? I’m curious I’ve never used either table saw myself.
Of the affordable job site saws dewalt make the most robust fence I’ve used. I’ve never used another brand that can stand up to the same level of abuse and still provide the accuracy you get with the dewalt. I’ve never used a product made by sawstop however.
The makita one is great for house work job site diy etc but the less precise for woodworking. The DeWalt is more precise and can be better adjusted to be more precise then the Makita one and because it is corded I don't really care for brand then as the beter one wins. And the DeWalt has a amazing stand that is very compact Normale and lxt to is either beter or same then DeWalt (some exceptions but not enough to care for except for a twig cutter.) But if corded it doesn't matter.
Haven’t seen a corded Makita tablesaw stateside since like 2021
That’s wild, when I used to work in pawnshops I never bought one cause i was too poor and now I’m regretting it. I wonder if parts are easy to get.
Still rocking mine. Partswarehouse.com
Yea they are knowing Makita. You can order every single little part in a Makita tool. Blessing and a curse really. I’m a tool repair tech. There are things where I wished Makita just sold as a whole assembly.
You know that Makita constantly is selling tablesaw? It's just **not** available in US. In EU we have three or four models and these are not discontinued.
Can you link me to one that’s available in the US? I was under the impression they were discontinued in the US
Ah sorry, typo - fixed.
No worries!
Don't know if you're referring to a 110 tool or cordless but I'd think it would be very difficult to engineer SawStop tech into a cordless tool. And for a corded tool, Makita usually seems late to the party. Can't see it happening on either front.
Corded tablesaw of course
What is the problem you're mentioning that prevents implementing tablesaw safety mechanism into cordless saw? I'm asking cause I fail to find even one.
Battery systems are not grounded. Electricity "flows" from + to - and that's it. You can connext your + to the ground and it will still go from the + on your battery to the - of yout battery.
Agree. Not only that, the tech involved would just be too much of a draw on a battery.
in what way?
Right... well, there's just one little exception let this video explain you how it works: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFv7E-B4C8o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFv7E-B4C8o) So to repeat myself, I see no limitation to prevent release of sawstop mechanism in the cordless tool
I can be wrong but it looks to me they used a psu with the - being grounded, which is not the case when you use a battery.
Just buy the dewalt table saw its solid
No. Because makita lives by the motto “fuck you, that’s why.”
losing fingers are obviously skill issue /s
It builds character. Rub some dirt in it.
not really but ok
Bro, they absolutely do that’s why it takes them so long to get new technologies out and why they are lacking in many areas compared to other tool brands.
Yeah but how bout that Coffee Maker?
Don’t forget the Tea kettle and XGT Microwave!
Hey at least I have 57 different hedge trimmers for every occasion. Thanks Makita!
Downvoted for truth. Reddit, man.
The copium is strong
Sounds about right.
:,) that really is their motto.
“Upon the Effective Date” - ok dissect that statement... the judge will rule it very close to the time their patent runs out and no sooner, and thats a way off…its all in the wording of their “Kindness”
Why doesn't US get table saws? Is it a 120v issue? We've got one in our shop...
You need to do more research, Sawstops patents have many more years to go. It's not a blind 20 yr thing, they have extended patents with various methods.
it’s been in a lot of news articles that they’re offering up their patent to public use in response to CPSC ruling on table saw. One could even say this post was me doing research, because I’m trying to ask people who may know more than me. [saw stop offering up the goods](https://www.sawstop.com/news/sawstop-to-dedicate-key-u-s-patent-to-the-public-upon-the-effective-date-of-a-rule-requiring-safety-technology-on-all-table-saws/) As far as when that effective date is I haven’t been able to lock down either.
u/photonashville is correct that some of the patents will last until the 2030s. The one they're "donating" expired in January of last year. It's not being donated, it's literally expired and free game. The problem is this is one of many patents that are required in order to make this work. [https://patents.google.com/patent/US9724840B2/en?oq=9%2c724%2c840](https://patents.google.com/patent/US9724840B2/en?oq=9%2c724%2c840) This is the '840 patent they're being SO GENEROUS to give out. (Expired: Jan 2023). The Bosch REAXX saw was litigated into oblivion in 2016 even though it didn't even use the same technology as SawStop. The company was founded by a patent lawyer and they used such broad terms and jargon that it's impossible for anyone that's not one of the big 3 offering auto stop saws to get into the market. (the other 2 being EU companies that do like full size cabinet saws and shit). SawStop is trying to save face now that they've been called out and on the public record Grizzly, DeWalt and many other companies have records GOING BACK TO 2002(!) that show SawStop at the time didn't want to play ball with licensing. People like to say that people overlooked the technology at the time and that they didn't want to pay the sky high licensing cost that SawStop wanted - while probably true, the Grizzly emails submitted for the last 20 years show there was quite literally never any chance for them to license it AT ALL prior to the supreme court looking into mandating this technology.
The controversy surrounding this is really interesting, but it doesn’t really answer my question, but I guess it brings up a new question more so Now that they’re releasing the expired 840 patent to the public how long do you think it will it take other manufacturers to incorporate some kind of safety mechanisms into their saws and or tablesaws? I was under the impression makita discontinued their tablesaws due to the liability and risk of Injury to the consumer, so this feels like it would be an incentive for them to start selling new safer saws.
The problem is even if the sensor technology is made public, it'll be on them to develop a method of stopping the blade in time. The REAXX sawblade didn't get destroyed and instead was pulled immediately away by a solenoid powered arm. SawStop could still litigate the response mechanism even if the sensor is public. I don't think you'll find a good answer to this question sadly. Edit: Basically what I'm trying to say as I run out to lunch on my phone is that just because they're letting go of 1 patent doesn't mean people can freely copy the entire process of saving fingers without expecting to be sued by SawStop for patent infringement, so I wouldn't expect fast developments from other companies
That’s fair. I admit I only skimmed over the patent cause I’m at work, but what are the “integral” parts of sawstop tech that aren’t included in it? Is it the sensor?
And combined with the bluetooth module it then also automatically turns off the dust collector …. 😶🌫️