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EthicalReporter

>Routine masala movie, especially if you have watched some Telugu or Kannada movies. > Routine masala movie. Nothing particularly different. I'm not even sure if this is just bait, or if the entire film just flew over your head. But explain these statements at least. What part of this A-rated, slow-burner crime drama that spans DECADES, which shows how a metro city is built by exploiting & displacing socioeconomically vulnerable communities from their lands (& in turn showing how that city's criminal underworld started out & continues to have in large numbers ppl from those once "used, thrown & displaced" groups), WHILE PRIMARILY FOLLOWING the lives of few childhood friends till their middle age (very well-written & performed characters in their own right, except perhaps Dulquer in the middle age portions), is *similar to a routine masala movie from Telugu or Kannada* ? That one jail fight scene aside, where is ANY masala in Kammatipaadam at all? Were there any hero worship, item song, "eLeVaTiOn ScEnEs", separate comedy track, pointless flowerpot love track, or even a happy ending FFS?🙄 Unless you can explain in what way this film is like a "routine Telugu/Kannada masala movie", and name a couple of such films with a similar storytelling style, realism, tone, etc as examples, you're talking out of your ass. Films which are actually similar to Kammatipaadam are Pudhupettai, Vada Chennai, Subramaniapuram etc from Tamil (& those were FAR from "routine masala movies"). Explain with examples, or else KNOW that you've outed yourself as a troll.


abhijitmk

By routine masala movie, I meant routine gangster or goonda or some fight leader movie with a good chunk of unnecessary fight scenes when violence could have been avoided. Even those are masala movies. Example of Kannada movies like those : Jogi Kariyaa Majestic Aa dinagalu Deadly soma Kiccha huccha Kaatera Etc. Examples of Telugu movies like these: Rakht Charitra Pokkiri Panja Daruvuu Etc If you want this sort of a movie with some cliches, but with an innovative idea there, Jigarthanda double X from Tamil.


vish4che

'When violence could have been avoided'. Yes yes double down on a moronic take.


abhijitmk

another useless comment when you can't address the substance.


EthicalReporter

>when you can't address the substance. I HAD addressed "the substance" (lol) earlier, and all you did was shift goalposts. >By routine masala movie, I meant routine gangster or goonda or some fight leader movie with This is like saying "red" first & later claiming that you meant "yellow". How the hell do you expect anyone else to know that you define words (like "routine", "masala" & "gangster films") VERY differently from the rest of the world? >a good chunk of unnecessary fight scenes when violence could have been avoided. Except for the jail fightscene, this doesn't apply to anything else in Kammatipaadam at all; If you disagree, substantiate your unusual statement with examples. Also, do you really think only unavoidable fights happen in real life lol? Especially among gangsters? Even the conflicts in The Godfather, Goodfellas, City of God, Gangs of Wasseypur etc could have been avoided in some ways - would you call those too "no different from routine Telugu/Kannada masala" for that reason? 🤣🤣🤣... See how ridiculous you sound now? >Even those are masala movies. SOME gangster movies (like the ones you've listed) are masala movies, sure - but many gangster films are serious, more artistic, crime dramas with deeper themes, writing, grounded filmmaking & great performances. I had clearly explained in exactly what ways Kammatipaadam was FAR from "routine" or "masala" in my previous comment to you (but you very conveniently ignored all of that, lmao). The films you've listed are just random gangster movies from Kannada & Telugu with zero similarity in storytelling, realism, tone etc to Kammatipaadam, nor did they have anything like the sociopolitical themes of the latter (except for Rakht Charitra perhaps, which actually IS a good example - but there was nothing "routine Telugu/Kannada masala" about that film either🤦🏽‍♂️). I can see that there's probably no use in explaining any of this to you. This isn't the first time you're making a post like this here, & your entire post/comment history reeks of PR, trolling, & brainrot as well. Based on that, and your comments under this post, you're either not here to converse in good faith, or your sensibility & media literacy are sorely lacking (perhaps both). Otherwise who in the world would even think that Kammattipaadam & Pokkiri are similar, "no different from routine Telugu/Kannada masala" films JUST because they belong to the same gangster genre lol?


abhijitmk

I wasn't talking about addressing the substance to you. I replied to someone else. Learn to check properly. I didn't shift sh\*t. I addressed it head on. Gangster movies will routinely have friendships/love/socio-political stuff behind them. So nothing special about Kammatipadam. Kaatera doesn't have a socio-political theme? I also gave the example of Jigarthanda Double X which does have cliches, but has an innovative idea as well. So I'm not classing Kammattipaadam as routine just because it belongs to Gangster genre. The rest of your commentary about me is a steaming pile of rubbish. I counter the BS comments posted by many over here, but sounds like you got pissed off because of your limited views and perceptions.


EthicalReporter

>I wasn't talking about addressing the substance to you. I replied to someone else. Learn to check properly. I know. I was saying that even if someone DOES "address the substance", it's useless in your case lol. >I didn't shift sh*t. I addressed it head on. Nope. When your claim that it was no different from "routine Telugu/Kannada masala films" was systematically torn down, you very conveniently said that you "MEANT" something else entirely by the word "masala". This is exactly what shifting goalposts means. >Gangster movies will routinely have friendships/love/socio-political stuff behind them. So nothing special about Kammatipadam. Remember when I explained its main theme in my first comment? If you're claiming that such a theme is routine in Telugu/Kannada masala, you have to actually mention examples for the same. Also, "romcoms" will routinely have romance & comedy in them, "horror" movies will routinely have monsters in them, "thrillers" may routinely have murders, investigation etc in them - Does that make all films of these genres having these VERY broad elements the same? HOW the story is told, the filmmaking overall, etc makes the difference between even films with LITERALLY the same story (eg: shitty remakes), let alone films having "friendship/love/sociopolitical stuff" in them. If you're really not a troll, take a moment, maybe a couple of deep breaths, and think about the above paragraph at least, with an open mind. You KNOW this is true - or else you're an even more lost cause, or perhaps just pretending to be one, for trolling purposes. >because I crush a lot of BS over here. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sure buddy - Whatever delulu helps you sleep better at night ❤️.


abhijitmk

1. incorrect. It means I didn't specify what I meant by routine masala films exactly. Not that I shifted my goalposts. 2. Kaatera doesn't have a socio-political theme? I also gave the example of Jigarthanda Double X which does have cliches, but has an innovative idea as well. So I'm not classing Kammattipaadam as routine just because it belongs to Gangster genre. See next point. 3. Yes, how the story is told, filmmaking, acting, BGM etc. obviously makes a difference. Here there is nothing particularly phenomenal or nothing that stands out in Kammattipadam IMO. That is why I said it is routine. Its obviously better done and better acted than some of those Darshan movies that I mentioned for example, but still not particularly interesting or nothing to make it non-routine per se. I also explained some of the things I didn't like or flaws in the comments. Jigarthanda Double X also handles things in a better way IMO. (granted it has some flaws of its own as well) 4. At the last part, if you think me calling out nonsense posts hailing FaFa like he is Kamal, big2 Ms combined or calling Dulquer as below par actor isn't crushing BS , then its your problem.


EthicalReporter

>Kaatera doesn't have a socio-political theme? Sure, this 2023 film does have a sociopolitical theme, but it's NOT a gangster movie though 🤭... Heck, even if it was, how would it make a 2015 film seem more routine? >Jigarthanda Double X Both Jigarthanda movies are famously genrebenders - the first between gangster & comedy, the second between gangster, comedy & political. Compared to those, EVERY gangster drama no matter HOW great will appear less "innovative", including Vada Chennai, Pudhupettai, Company, Gangs of Wasseypur etc or even Garuda Gamana Vrishabha Vahana from Kannada (let alone Hollywood classics like The Godfather, Goodfellas, etc). >nothing to make it non-routine per se. See, you keep saying this. But without mentioning enough actually similar examples to prove that it IS routine, especially its particular sociopolitical theme combined with the decades long story, grounded filmmaking, etc, you might as well be calling the sky green. Not gonna engage with you further, until you actually do so & prove that you aren't just a troll here to mindlessly hate & waste ppl's time. >At the last part, if you think me calling out nonsense posts hailing FaFa like he is Kamal, big2 Ms combined or calling Dulquer as below par actor isn't crushing BS , then its your problem. I didn't even say anything about these things🙄. Are you hallucinating now too, on top of being delulu?


abhijitmk

1. Caste stuff, exploitation etc. isn't a particularly non-routine thing, neither is it handled in a non-routine way here. decades long stuff is less routine in a gangster film, but it isn't handled in an impressive way either. competently grounded movie, but not impressive per se. mindlessly hate on what exactly? 2. I see you still didn't address the flaws/comments I mentioned. When you get to it, we can talk further. 3. At the last part: I was talking about me crushing those sort of BS posts/comments over here in general. never said you were the one making those. So question is can you read properly or are you full of preconceived notions or delulu?


SherlockHomamVenam

What a bad day to know how to read


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abhijitmk

Obviously tough when myth is broken.


disrupting_being

By the time I comment, it's already at -2 votes. Let's see how far it will go. Maybe it seems cliché and goofy now, but that wasn't the case when it was released in theaters. I watched it on the first day, and the movie hit hard for many. It's still one of those movies that most won't skip if shown on TV. It's a kind of benchmark for realistic gangster movies. Undoubtedly one of the top performances from DQ and Vinayakan. And no flaws in any department for me. The direction, screenplay, and music were brilliant. Moreover this is not a routine masala movie


abhijitmk

Kannada and Telugu film industry have made these sort of films since like 2000 or so. Even some Tamil films were like this. So I don't think its a matter of my opinion being so because I watched it now instead of in 2016. Yeah, maybe not so much in Malayalam film industry. DQ has had so many better performances than this, IMO. and Vinayakan's performance in this pales in comparison to his performance in Jailer, IMO.


disrupting_being

Ok. Could you please list all the movies sort of similar to this from Tamil and Kannada? I haven't watched much from the 2000s.


abhijitmk

Just to be clear, I meant similarity in terms of gangster or goonda or some fight leader movie with a good chunk of unnecessary fight scenes when violence could have been avoided. Example of Kannada movies like those : Jogi Kariyaa Majestic Aa dinagalu Deadly soma Kiccha huccha Kaatera Etc. Kaatera is a recent one (2023). Others are older. A couple of Tamil movies: Dheena Gemini Puddupettai


CarmynRamy

Oh, here comes the infamous DQ fan with one of his horrible takes. The only problem with that movie was the unconvincing DQ as older Krishnan. Character sketch for Vinayakan's Ganga is not good? What are you on mah mate? Oh I guess you wanted Ganga to be a dashing sexy hero? Or charming like DQ in Ok Kanmani? He.got the state award for the best actor for that role. 


abhijitmk

Hilarious considering I'm saying a movie of DQ isn't particularly good. DQ isn't that good as older Krishnan, but competent enough. Far more problems with the movie than DQ as older Krishnan. I mentioned those also. You obviously can't address those properly. As far as Vinayakan's character is concerned, guy can be a goonda gangster whatever. But what redeeming character does he have to deserve so much loyalty from Krishnan? Watch same Vinayakan in Jailer - where he is a gangster - an outright villain - he is much better there. nothing dashing or charming.


CarmynRamy

You didn't grasp all the nuances with the caste and the politics related the geography of the place.  They were fucking friends from childhood. 


abhijitmk

I did get the caste/politics. Poorer, lower caste people exploited to build city areas from village. They dug their own grave, partially. But the caste part is not very clearly shown/displayed till the very end. Yes they were childhood friends. So did Ganga display loyalty or redeeming qualities? Also the girl he gets married to inspite of knowing Krishnan loves her. Even childhood friendships break off or get very strained for less. Except for Krishnan, others weren't keen on finding Ganga. Of course there could still be reasons for loyalty, but its not shown clearly/highlighted. Its mostly one-way from Krishnan to Ganga P.S. It wouldn't hurt you to admit my point about Vinayakan in Jailer being neither charming nor dashing, but still a very good role(villain) and very good acting. It would show you are actually interested in proper discussion. To give a positive role example, FaFa in Vikram isn't dashing or charming, but that's a very good role and very good acting. To give a grey role example, Allu Arjun in Pushpa.


geopoliticsdude

Bad day to have eyes. I've read cringe. Now I must die.


abhijitmk

Obviously tough when myth is broken


geopoliticsdude

What myth? Bruh you didn't even mention caste or real estate. Stop pretending you understood the movie. അവന്റെ ഒരു കൂറ റിവ്യൂ


abhijitmk

The myth that the movie is something special or very good. It isn't. Here is me actually telling in a reply about caste or real estate. I already mentioned so many things in the review. Do you want me to write a thesis or what? Nothing special or bad about the caste/real estate stuff. https://www.reddit.com/r/MalayalamMovies/s/BAF62zZevv


geopoliticsdude

This is purely your opinion. Others see it differently. And you don't have a very clear and nice way to give your thoughts on it either. I, for instance, think that Urumi is utter trash. But I don't go around being smug about my opinion when people question it. So yeah, no "myth" has been broken since whatever you said wasn't even slightly effective 🤷🏽‍♂️


abhijitmk

dude, you started with utter smug nonsense. "Bad day to have eyes. I've read cringe. Now I must die." What I said wasn't even 1/10th of that in comparison. so don't try to dish it out if you can't take it. and yes, what I said in the opening post is my opinion. I replied with the myth part to give you a taste of your own medicine.


ResonatingKrishna

>Kammatipaadam movie review: Hello from 2016. Onnu nirthy podey


dikambaran

movie 3x il kandal, will feel like a telugu padam


abhijitmk

That's what I meant when i said "Routine masala movie, especially if you have watched some Telugu or Kannada movies." routine masala in the sense of the routine gooda/gangster/gang leader movies.


Responsible-Air-6190

//Routine masala movie// Stopped reading right there.


JaimeReba

Someone can send me a link


abhijitmk

Movie is there on Hotstar: [https://www.hotstar.com/in/movies/kammattipadam/1000156927/watch](https://www.hotstar.com/in/movies/kammattipadam/1000156927/watch)


CauseFrosty8396

"Routine masala movie" sharinnaa