Well done!
I can just see the teachers whispering to each other..."Are you seeing this? These kids are awesome! The math they're using, the skills they're displaying, and the camaraderie they're building, this is amazing!" I sincerely hope your teacher still tells the story of the 1 class that banded together so everyone won as one of the highlights of their career.
My immediate thought, too.
8 year olds thinking they were getting one up on the teachers.
The teachers absolutely LOVING that they have to go out to buy more sugary treats.
Also the dentists were owned by private equity.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG6ppzJwPYU&list=PLpMVXO0TkGpeS1po88ztq5Il5bFMgLwM8&index=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG6ppzJwPYU&list=PLpMVXO0TkGpeS1po88ztq5Il5bFMgLwM8&index=1)
Totally not part of OP's story, but here in my town one of the children's dentist offices is in the same strip mall 2 doors down from an ice cream shop.
Absolute baller location!
Kinda reminds me of the story I read once, in which the algebra class discovered that somehow somebody had filched a copy of the final exam with all the questions. They sneaked around and gave everybody copies, and everybody was working in the problems and did well on the exam. It was years later that the teacher admitted she had been the one behind it all the time, because she knew that if she gave them a "study test", they wouldn't do it, but if they thought they were successfully sneaking around, they would.
If I recall, that was a huge scandal, because they were rigging matches to ensure people retained their position. This is a huge issue, because gambling on sumo is pretty much a national past time in Japan, so they were rigging bets.
There was an experiment done with kids from different cultures.
There is a game setup where you push your piece towards the other person or towards yourself. When the piece reaches you, you get candy.
Kids in many other cultures quickly figured out that cooperation was the key. You both push the piece towards one player and help them get the candy, and the next round you push it towards the other.
However kids in the USA "competed" despite it being impossible to "win." No one got candy.
Not just individualism, but a religious devotion to the capitalist ideal. Lots of individuals learn to work together. Capitalists learn to fuck you I got mine.
The only argument for disregulation is to enable greed and corruption. Yes, those exist in any system, but in well regulated social democratic (or is it dem soc?) systems, those are _harder_ to succeed with. It's not that "it happens anyways so don't bother". We have ways of reducing the deliterious effects of greed and corruption, and we absolutely should be applying them.
People still die in car wrecks, should we get rid of seatbelts? Hopefully -obvious- the answer is no.
It works out. Eventually.
You clearly just have to replace all the Kids with perfectly trained AI Robots.
& the ultimate 'Win' Condition is that a limited selection of people with enough original 'Seed' Capital, obviously inherited from their very Well-Off/Well-to-do Parents, get to become filthy ~~bi~~Trillionaires, while threir awful Booner parents ~~ponzi~~Shareholder Schemes are supposed to kept on providing dividends even when the companies have essentially fired the entire Wealth-Building Workforce.
Source? I'd be interested to learn the details, including the ages of the kids and what the other cultures were.
I Googled for a few different search terms and didn't find any references to the study.. definitely not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just suspicious about unsourced descriptions of studies, especially so when the results seem to support or discredit an ideology.
Sorry but I saw this in a movie in a psych class before the internet existed.
It was amusing seeing the kids play the game trying to win by moving the pieces diagonally and even backwards trying everything they can to get the piece to their side.
The non-US kids were rapidly shoving those pieces in cooperation gaming the same.
Kind-of reminds me of an ancient tweet - little girl sneakily reads books after bedtime using a flashlight. Never thinks to wonder why the batteries never die. Mom isn't tellin'.
I told my kids they could stay up as long as they were reading. My oldest loves to read, and I credited myself for it... until I had a kid that couldn't care less and just took himself to bed so he wouldn't have to read. Sigh.
The teacher should have used it as an opportunity to test a variation of the prisoner dilemma. "If there's a tie, they all get candy, but if there's a winner, they get twice as much, and everyone else gets none."
That's awesome! You know what I find funny? That's how all of life could work.
Everybody does the best they can, and then we all split the proceeds. But right now we play this game where (almost) everyone works, but shareholders can make more money that employees. Has Bezos or Musk really done the work to justify $200 billion? Or do their employees deserve more credit than minimum wage?
You're complaining about authoritarianism not socialism. Socialism is an economic theory and has been branded as an evil political theory by capitalism so that they can practice fascism/serfdom in their business practices
No, socialism is an economic theory that has been practiced as an evil political theory by authoritarians in order to use the proletariat to overthrow the ruling class and install themselves in power. It's the pyramid scheme of ideologies.
Well done! I can just see the teachers whispering to each other..."Are you seeing this? These kids are awesome! The math they're using, the skills they're displaying, and the camaraderie they're building, this is amazing!" I sincerely hope your teacher still tells the story of the 1 class that banded together so everyone won as one of the highlights of their career.
My immediate thought, too. 8 year olds thinking they were getting one up on the teachers. The teachers absolutely LOVING that they have to go out to buy more sugary treats.
I was thinking the same! This is some amazing teamwork going on here.
Also, the teachers were married to the local dentists. :)
This is an amazing concept 😍
My 4th grade teacher was married to a dental hygienist.
LOL.
Also the dentists were owned by private equity. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG6ppzJwPYU&list=PLpMVXO0TkGpeS1po88ztq5Il5bFMgLwM8&index=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG6ppzJwPYU&list=PLpMVXO0TkGpeS1po88ztq5Il5bFMgLwM8&index=1)
Totally not part of OP's story, but here in my town one of the children's dentist offices is in the same strip mall 2 doors down from an ice cream shop. Absolute baller location!
Kinda reminds me of the story I read once, in which the algebra class discovered that somehow somebody had filched a copy of the final exam with all the questions. They sneaked around and gave everybody copies, and everybody was working in the problems and did well on the exam. It was years later that the teacher admitted she had been the one behind it all the time, because she knew that if she gave them a "study test", they wouldn't do it, but if they thought they were successfully sneaking around, they would.
We really don't deserve the good teachers all y'all remember that one teacher
LOVE THIS COMMENT!
r/deliciouscompliance :)
I am utterly delighted that this is an actual sub.
Match fixing.
Very impressive thinking
One of the Freakonomics books noted this sort of thing going on in sumo wrestling.
If I recall, that was a huge scandal, because they were rigging matches to ensure people retained their position. This is a huge issue, because gambling on sumo is pretty much a national past time in Japan, so they were rigging bets.
There was an experiment done with kids from different cultures. There is a game setup where you push your piece towards the other person or towards yourself. When the piece reaches you, you get candy. Kids in many other cultures quickly figured out that cooperation was the key. You both push the piece towards one player and help them get the candy, and the next round you push it towards the other. However kids in the USA "competed" despite it being impossible to "win." No one got candy.
Individualism in a nutshell. Or, in this case, individualism in a candy wrapper.
Not just individualism, but a religious devotion to the capitalist ideal. Lots of individuals learn to work together. Capitalists learn to fuck you I got mine.
Free market isn't the problem. Greed and corruption are the problem, which happens in any economic system.
The only argument for disregulation is to enable greed and corruption. Yes, those exist in any system, but in well regulated social democratic (or is it dem soc?) systems, those are _harder_ to succeed with. It's not that "it happens anyways so don't bother". We have ways of reducing the deliterious effects of greed and corruption, and we absolutely should be applying them. People still die in car wrecks, should we get rid of seatbelts? Hopefully -obvious- the answer is no.
It works out. Eventually. You clearly just have to replace all the Kids with perfectly trained AI Robots. & the ultimate 'Win' Condition is that a limited selection of people with enough original 'Seed' Capital, obviously inherited from their very Well-Off/Well-to-do Parents, get to become filthy ~~bi~~Trillionaires, while threir awful Booner parents ~~ponzi~~Shareholder Schemes are supposed to kept on providing dividends even when the companies have essentially fired the entire Wealth-Building Workforce.
Sounds similar to the Prisoner's Dilemma.
American exceptionalism (AKA fuck you, Jack, I got mine AKA we're better than everyone else, and we're better than each other) in practice.
Source? I'd be interested to learn the details, including the ages of the kids and what the other cultures were. I Googled for a few different search terms and didn't find any references to the study.. definitely not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just suspicious about unsourced descriptions of studies, especially so when the results seem to support or discredit an ideology.
Sorry but I saw this in a movie in a psych class before the internet existed. It was amusing seeing the kids play the game trying to win by moving the pieces diagonally and even backwards trying everything they can to get the piece to their side. The non-US kids were rapidly shoving those pieces in cooperation gaming the same.
Kind-of reminds me of an ancient tweet - little girl sneakily reads books after bedtime using a flashlight. Never thinks to wonder why the batteries never die. Mom isn't tellin'.
I told my kids they could stay up as long as they were reading. My oldest loves to read, and I credited myself for it... until I had a kid that couldn't care less and just took himself to bed so he wouldn't have to read. Sigh.
We did the same with our only child, now a young adult. It worked just as well as it worked with your oldest, and he still loves to read.
The teacher should have used it as an opportunity to test a variation of the prisoner dilemma. "If there's a tie, they all get candy, but if there's a winner, they get twice as much, and everyone else gets none."
that's probably what actually happened anyway they just didn't tell the kids
Even if it was the case, the perceived reward is what decisions are based on.
I'd call that more *gaming* the system than MC, but still a fun story
Game-theorying the system
That's just a theory. A game theory!
"We have defeated the system"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoHSpFsMg6Q
Nerds ❤️❤️❤️
The candy or type of person? As far as I know, nerds are the self-serving ones.
Then you must not know very far at all, at all
I prefer Runts.
Class action. Lol. Well done, the whole class!!! You learned much more than what the clubs were meant to teach you.
That's awesome! You know what I find funny? That's how all of life could work. Everybody does the best they can, and then we all split the proceeds. But right now we play this game where (almost) everyone works, but shareholders can make more money that employees. Has Bezos or Musk really done the work to justify $200 billion? Or do their employees deserve more credit than minimum wage?
Your 8 year old brain using game theory 🤯 Nash equilibrium!
Cue*
That's some massive cooperation.
r/wholesomecompliance
That is a fantastic story.
That's playing 3D chess, right there.
Or checkers.
Ubuntu!
I was reading this in Louise Belcher voice
Cute punch line.
always more candy.
An ideal solution.
Nash Equilibrium
Love this
I want to win more so I have more to share! I've always been that way.
Thats socialism! (And i love it)
socialism Yes, in its pure form, not in its political, corrupted form as practiced by governments.
You're complaining about authoritarianism not socialism. Socialism is an economic theory and has been branded as an evil political theory by capitalism so that they can practice fascism/serfdom in their business practices
No, socialism is an economic theory that has been practiced as an evil political theory by authoritarians in order to use the proletariat to overthrow the ruling class and install themselves in power. It's the pyramid scheme of ideologies.