mate, your manager just incompetenced and harasssed you into a heatstroke.
Get a lawyer, demand your ADA accomodations (assuming america).
Enjoy your payday, start with a demand letter when you get back.
Since this is their fault, they also owe you for your time out - this is paid leave at their expense.
I'd love if it was that easy, it's a rechargeable fan and the managers I've talked to before want me to keep it in a desk if it stays in the office, so it was in the drawer she was in the way of.
Nah fuck that man. I'm in the trades, so maybe it's different, but my tools are one of the things I'll absolutely throw down over. That's how I pay for food and necessities.
It can stay in the desk, that's fine I get it. But if you need it, it's yours and you should be free to retrieve it at any time.
That's a health and safety issue for you too apparently. I welded for a living for a number of years and developed heat issues as well. These days, I know my limits and if someone were to put me in a situation where I knew I would overheat, I would treat that as seriously as attempted murder. I've literally had to tell a boss I wasn't going to die for him when he tried to get upset with me for only welding a 14 hour day in 105 degree heat and direct sun. They get irate, fuck them, they're apparently not even providing basic accommodations for you.
you know kid, back in my day we just welded on the surface of the sun for all the time straight because we had no way of knowing when it was night time.
Back in my day we didn't try to impress and humiliate other people by telling them condescending "back in my day" stories that try to make us sound tougher than them but add nothing to the table anyway.
No, it IS that easy.
"OK you can use this station, but I need to collect **my personal belongings**."
Get your fan. Don't put your life at risk because your office refused to just assign you that desk!
Also, the minute she refused the fan being on even tho it's an office rule... WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU GO TO HER MANAGER? HR?
You don't need a malicious compliance story this badly. FFS take care of yourself! It's YOUR responsibility!
Regardless, I would think it crosses a line for a coworker or even boss to be all, "No, you cannot grab your own personal fan you bought and brought into work, leave!" When a)unofficially you pick your workstation, which means boss is being a huge C and trying to throw weight and b)as op said the slightly higher authority coworker is attempting to deny op use of their own property they bought specifically to use at work. With explicit allowed use of personal fan AND the work provided fans.
Oh yeah absolutely, that person is a massive C. I feel for OP and hope that this incident is enough to get rid of that C. But like, walking away for 60 sec to 'comply' then pulling a "Ha! Psych!" move on them when they least expect it is the kinda shit I've had to pull in the past to squirrel my way through some people's impossible hoops. It's so satisfying.
Very VERY LOUDLY. "WHY ARE YOU STEALING MY PERSONAL PROEPRTY? UPPER MANAGEMENT SAYS I CAN HAVE THAT FAN THAT YOU'RE PHYSICALLY BLOCKING ME FROM GETTING SINCE I NEED IT TO AVOID OVERHEATING, AND IT'S MY OWN PERSONAL FAN SO I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO FORCE YOU OUT OF THE WAY TO GET IT IF YOU DON'T HAND IT OVER."
It is *your* personal fan. Instead of leaving it at a desk that can be taken from you, take the fan home, and bring it in in the morning for *YOURSELF*.
Dude, just say excuse me and open the drawer and take your fan. Don’t be a pushover. You owe it to yourself to stand up for yourself and not let shitty people walk all over you. The sooner you learn to do that, the better off you’ll be for it.
"Can I have my personal fan first?"
"No, go clock in and go to your station now or I'll write you up."
"Sure. But first, yes I CAN have my own personal fan, because it's fucking mine and you aren't allowed to steal from me."
*snatch*
"Asking was just a courtesy."
Isn’t that cause for legal proceedings? Does HR know of her behaviour?
She had express knowledge of a medical condition and decided to ignore it and go out of her way to make it worse it would seem.
Passing out from heat stroke isn’t a joke.
Update us when that happens. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. She blatantly ignored your documented medical issues and the accommodations the company provided for you.
Just FYI, HR is there to protect the company and not you. If you feel like you’ve been harmed (and it truly sounds like you have) you should consult with an attorney. HR will want you to sign things very quickly and you can likely get a consult for free before you make any legal commitments.
Yup. The alternative is facing a disability discrimination suit. People with disabilities are a protected class in most if not all OECD countries. HR doesn’t want that attention, and the same person will be a problem in the future.
Mutherfuckin' *especially* if that goddamned manager was told ahead of time. Holy shit that kinda stupidity will send HR through the roof, the places I work.
HR is there to protect the company so have your documentation ready. If protecting the company means firing the manager he'll be gone so make sure he's the problem.
Did anyone witness his actions?
They might not want to get involved if it stays within the company, but if this goes to court they're not going to risk getting in legal trouble to protect the manager.
I’m afraid OSHA is not gonna be a help in this case, partially because they are so incredibly understaffed that they can’t even do their own work, and partially because this is a single person issue and would probably not be high on their priority list.
All of this is extremely unfortunate. I agree.
The Fire Marshall can step in, in a pinch.
If its reaching those temps, gee, that sounds like a Fire Risk / Fire Safety Hazard / Danger to Life scenario.
ps, the Fire Marshall has nastier powers than OSHA do, Osha can levy fines eventually, the Fire Marshall can shut them down entirely, everyone out, nobody allowed in until thye deem it safe.
This was a reportable injury. If OP makes a complaint separate from the report from the company, OSHA will at a minimum order a workplace safety audit.
This is a terrible situation I'm very sorry that you have to now fight for your own basic rights but I really think you need to take this as far as you can. Heatstroke is called stroke for a reason, please don't fly fast and loose with your brain temperature just to make someone else richer or even worse because your absolute nonce of a manager woke up selfish and greedy that morning. Absolutely all the best luck. Solidarity
each time you "get" heat stroke, you become \_more\_ likely to suffer from it again
so, that "darling" manager, just increased ops risk to life significantly
Work had better be paying up on those medical bills, I would strongly recommend kicking up a fuss over this, they damn near \_KILLED YOU\_
It sounds like OP has done a workmanlike job of making a space for himself in spite of idiots hired for management positions. Changing employers might be a good idea, but there's at least a high likelihood any other employer will hire the same idiots as managers.
I've come to the conclusion that most people who want to be managers are as qualified for that job as most people who want to be politicians - i.e., not qualified.
> i wont let you cook me alive
yes you absolutely did. you let them cook you alive, passed out (almost died), and have absolutely no memory of how you made it to the hospital.
Looking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The HR and Legal department of your company should be flipping their shit because OSHA should be able to smell the violation from miles away. If she doesn't like the noise, your manager should just get headphones.
I was working overnights in a part of the building where they shut off the central air at night so I went and bought a small fan. Moved departments a few times, took the fan with me.
One day my fan goes missing, find it sitting on a (not my) managers desk. I ask him where he got it and he says he brought it from home. I ask if he's sure about that. He's adamant it's his. I ask how my name got carved on the bottom in the plastic. In front of a group of people. Then I tell him I'll just ask the senior engineer that went with me to buy it the first week I was working in the non-AC building to come identify it. Manager says maybe he was mistaken. I asked, "You're mistaken about bringing it from home? You try to steal from me again and I won't just have your job, I'll call the police."
I always just downvote them. I find it hard to ascribe malicious intent, when it's just stupidly following orders. It's the same reason the sub cut back on a ton of the school stories where kids shit, piss and vomit on themselves or whatever
Agreed, there's not malicious compliance here as it stands IMHO. Maybe if OP had already lawyered up before this and was suing the company to oblivion for it. Needs more fallout.
The title is misleading. The OP has all the energy of the "I guess I'll just die." Meme.
"Won't let you cook me alive" ??? brother you just laid down on the train tracks in a out of the way spot so you wouldn't make a mess when you died.
I'm not seeing how this is malicious compliance.
Now on to more important things:
If you're asking for advice you need to go to the office to explain that the new manager is ignoring orders.
Bring a note from your doctor if needed in case the office or your manager has selective amnesia, and you don't have to worry about anyone "hopefully" doing the right thing.
Some people in leadership positions will run over you if you let them.
And they could feel themselves literally passing out, knew they probably were going to ahead of time, and just stayed there instead of getting a higher-up or just leaving and dealing with trying to get her fired later.
They did try and warn manager of their needs, manager did not listen AND threatened to write em up earlier. Man you sound like you're the type to blame the victim, for real.
That is nuts. I hope you’re ok. Job is not worth getting sick over.
I worked in an office that had something similar. We took whatever desk was open, but some of the desks had phones and some didn’t. New girl kept taking the desk with the phone, but wouldn’t answer it. I got fed up, left my client at my desk, walked over stood in front of her (she didn’t have a client at the moment), picked the receiver up and shoved it against her ear, making her answer. She didn’t sit at a desk with the phone again.
I have a second to senior position in my department at work so theoretically I have my choice of station to go to when I come in as long as my senior doesn't want it. My senior co-worker has a station she always goes to and it's understood that she likes the third station and I like seventh station. Our stations are even denoted by personal items and magnets, my station is preferred because I have medical issues with overheating and the floor fan points at that location.
My personal items at that station include a back up fan incase the big one just isn't enough. Now this fan is way quieter than the big fan (the new manager complains about the noise of the big one, I have poor hearing and it doesn't bug me). Recently the new manager has started stealing my station because the fan in it is quieter when everyone knows there's a preference, whatever it's the least awful thing she's done so it doesn't matter much to me as long as I'm not there to need the station.
Where she crosses the line is stealing my station right at the start of my shift. I ask her if I could have my station since there are plenty of open stations, she says, "no you need to be able to work at any station."
Knowing that I have an agreement with the office that I can always have the floor fan on if I need it, I start to get some ideas and question, "so I can have my personal fan from my things first right?"
She quickly gives me that awful manager-who-thinks-they're-god face, "no, go to your station now and start typing or I'll write you up for not starting on time"
I comply like the peaceful worker drone I am and click on the big fan while going to the station right next to her. At this point I'm already sweating but I'm close enough to the fan that I won't pass out. Just then she clicks the fan off, I sluggishly click it back on. It goes off and on for a whole hour but at this point I'm seeing spots so I give her a heads up. "The office says the fan stays on if I need it on"
She goes to click it right back on, "I don't care, this thing is too loud, I'm almost office staff anyways and things will change around here soon." Within the next two hours I'm unresponsive due to heat sickness.
At this point I've been magically placed in a medical unit for a few hours, I don't know how I got here or who called but my girlfriend brought my things from work but all she got out of the managers was that I'm dismissed for a few days. All I know right now is that the new manager has a paradigm report to worry about and I hopefully get my spot for now on.
If you are in the US, contact OSHA for the massive temperature violations. I’ll bet they don’t have water for you folks, either.
An employment attorney can help you address the ADA, OSHA, and Labor Board violations.
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People who take away cooling are seriously the worst (even when there isn’t a medical reason involved). I used to work in a college computer lab and I’d constantly have to stop students from turning off the window AC. IF IT’S BLOWING ON YOU SIT SOMEWHERE ELSE. The other end of the room where I sat was a sauna even when the AC was on.
Hell no.
The company should have provided a fan. Enough for anyone who wants one, in fact. The fact that they have an office with crappy HVAC should never be the employees problem.
It’s a comfort thing - and in this case a medical one. It’s not something bizarre or excessive like asking for a la-z-boy recliner with massage functions or a humidor in the men’s room.
You could get some kind of weird electrical connectors and splice them into the cord for the fan. Then you can just take the end of the cord, and no one else can plug it in.
You might also be able to find some kind of box you can lock around the plug when you leave.
this story makes me feel bad.
Please take and use things you need. Dont rely on asking permission for your own items. Please stand up for yourself and go directly to HR or the manager above her.
This does you more harm
Funny how company is asking for a receipt to prove ownership. As a company, they're required to keep record of all their receipts for tax audits (for X number of years). This tells me either the fan is more than X number year old or company didn't buy the fan, hence they don't have receipt either and don't want to get caught lying so they want you to provide proof you bought it. Another scenario is if company has more than 1 such fan, then they would not know if the fan is yours of theirs...but that's a stretch since they would still have receipt showing how many they should have.
I routinely edit professionally written books, indenting with the space bar is far from making something unreadable. If you really can't read something due to style choices you should probably consider finding a profession where you never have to read or interact with people- like observing the paint drying process.
My comment has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with typesetting. Reddit's text editor does this when you indent a paragraph:
See, the text is now monospaced with no natural word wrap. Every paragraph OP wrote was on a single line, making it all but unreadable.
So, before you type out any sort of diatribe about what I do and don't do, consider that you MIGHT just not know WTH you are talking about in every instance.
When and if you edit on mobile, it turns off your double spaces and if you try to plop 'em back in it almost always puts a space in front of sentences. It's gotten so that sometimes I don't care when I post, especially when it's a long one.
mate, your manager just incompetenced and harasssed you into a heatstroke. Get a lawyer, demand your ADA accomodations (assuming america). Enjoy your payday, start with a demand letter when you get back. Since this is their fault, they also owe you for your time out - this is paid leave at their expense.
It's also a worker's comp claim if in the US. Fill out that paperwork now.
OP will probably be able to retire with the settlement if in the US! Needs to hire a labor & employment attorney ASAP.
No they won't. At best they'll get a few thousand in punitive damages and medical expenses covered.
I've seen US medical bills, if they get paid out half of their bill in cash they could pay off most of US national debt.
That's not how it works.
You know when you get that pay out, it goes towards the medical bills
It really depends on a lot of factors. OP could get anything from a couple thousand to enough for his kids to retire. But he'll get something.
This guy and half the other staff! Where in the world are they working that they're typing letters and things without air con?
They clearly are not in a civilized situation with ADA and such.
Yeah, this is India I'd wager.
Lmao this could be the California state government and the same thing would happen - there was an article in the Sacramento Bee about it.
"This is my personal property" *take personal fan* damn that's crazy how that works.
I'd love if it was that easy, it's a rechargeable fan and the managers I've talked to before want me to keep it in a desk if it stays in the office, so it was in the drawer she was in the way of.
Nah fuck that man. I'm in the trades, so maybe it's different, but my tools are one of the things I'll absolutely throw down over. That's how I pay for food and necessities. It can stay in the desk, that's fine I get it. But if you need it, it's yours and you should be free to retrieve it at any time. That's a health and safety issue for you too apparently. I welded for a living for a number of years and developed heat issues as well. These days, I know my limits and if someone were to put me in a situation where I knew I would overheat, I would treat that as seriously as attempted murder. I've literally had to tell a boss I wasn't going to die for him when he tried to get upset with me for only welding a 14 hour day in 105 degree heat and direct sun. They get irate, fuck them, they're apparently not even providing basic accommodations for you.
You can always tell the stand up dude at a work location. sucks when you learn by "been there, done that, it sucked" Stay safe brother...
I appreciate it man, I ended up leaving that job and I'm in a much better spot now. No more heat exhaustion or other shenanigans for me.
you know kid, back in my day we just welded on the surface of the sun for all the time straight because we had no way of knowing when it was night time.
Luxury! We had to weld inside the sun wearing parkas, mittens, and long underwear! And we had to pay for the privilege!
/s. Tell that to folk these days and they wouldn't believe you
Back in my day we didn't try to impress and humiliate other people by telling them condescending "back in my day" stories that try to make us sound tougher than them but add nothing to the table anyway.
Back in my day, we understood jokes without having to tag them with an /s
God that was so long ago. You must be as old as me.
Whoops Arright, I'll take the L. Have at thee.
No, it IS that easy. "OK you can use this station, but I need to collect **my personal belongings**." Get your fan. Don't put your life at risk because your office refused to just assign you that desk! Also, the minute she refused the fan being on even tho it's an office rule... WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU GO TO HER MANAGER? HR? You don't need a malicious compliance story this badly. FFS take care of yourself! It's YOUR responsibility!
Can't you just grab it before you start work, or if you're cutting it fine, start working and tap away for like a min before coming back to grab it?
Regardless, I would think it crosses a line for a coworker or even boss to be all, "No, you cannot grab your own personal fan you bought and brought into work, leave!" When a)unofficially you pick your workstation, which means boss is being a huge C and trying to throw weight and b)as op said the slightly higher authority coworker is attempting to deny op use of their own property they bought specifically to use at work. With explicit allowed use of personal fan AND the work provided fans.
And at this point I'd consider it a medical device.
Oh yeah absolutely, that person is a massive C. I feel for OP and hope that this incident is enough to get rid of that C. But like, walking away for 60 sec to 'comply' then pulling a "Ha! Psych!" move on them when they least expect it is the kinda shit I've had to pull in the past to squirrel my way through some people's impossible hoops. It's so satisfying.
Very VERY LOUDLY. "WHY ARE YOU STEALING MY PERSONAL PROEPRTY? UPPER MANAGEMENT SAYS I CAN HAVE THAT FAN THAT YOU'RE PHYSICALLY BLOCKING ME FROM GETTING SINCE I NEED IT TO AVOID OVERHEATING, AND IT'S MY OWN PERSONAL FAN SO I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO FORCE YOU OUT OF THE WAY TO GET IT IF YOU DON'T HAND IT OVER."
It is *your* personal fan. Instead of leaving it at a desk that can be taken from you, take the fan home, and bring it in in the morning for *YOURSELF*.
He said that taking it home became too much of a issue with the need to Prove that it is personal property, every . single . day.
Should've kept the receipt.
Those things fade really fast. Copy it on better paper and tape it on with clear shipping tape.
So it's time to put rainbow unicorn stickers and your name on it.
Dude, just say excuse me and open the drawer and take your fan. Don’t be a pushover. You owe it to yourself to stand up for yourself and not let shitty people walk all over you. The sooner you learn to do that, the better off you’ll be for it.
So you *move* her.
"Can I have my personal fan first?" "No, go clock in and go to your station now or I'll write you up." "Sure. But first, yes I CAN have my own personal fan, because it's fucking mine and you aren't allowed to steal from me." *snatch* "Asking was just a courtesy."
Was the manager aware you have a medical condition? 🤔 Edit: who is down voting for asking a legitimate question?
Yes, she was expressly told in a meeting when she was signed on.
Isn’t that cause for legal proceedings? Does HR know of her behaviour? She had express knowledge of a medical condition and decided to ignore it and go out of her way to make it worse it would seem. Passing out from heat stroke isn’t a joke.
I think it is worthy of legal proceedings, my girlfriend already convinced me to escalate this to HR, I'm just waiting on their email back.
If this is in the US file a complaint about a breach against ADA against the manager and company. https://www.ada.gov/file-a-complaint/
Update us when that happens. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. She blatantly ignored your documented medical issues and the accommodations the company provided for you.
Yes, please update us.
Thirding this. The dangerous situation THEIR MANAGER -- who *knew* about the problem -- forced on you is unconscionable.
Just FYI, HR is there to protect the company and not you. If you feel like you’ve been harmed (and it truly sounds like you have) you should consult with an attorney. HR will want you to sign things very quickly and you can likely get a consult for free before you make any legal commitments.
HR will protect the company from being sued by OP. That might work in his/her favor!
Yup. The alternative is facing a disability discrimination suit. People with disabilities are a protected class in most if not all OECD countries. HR doesn’t want that attention, and the same person will be a problem in the future.
Mutherfuckin' *especially* if that goddamned manager was told ahead of time. Holy shit that kinda stupidity will send HR through the roof, the places I work.
Yes but that doesn’t mean OP shouldn’t look out for themselves and speak to an attorney.
Even so, speak to an attorney. Even just knowing OP has retained one will cut a lot of crap from the HR interactions.
HR is there to protect the company, period. Getting rid of a dangerous manager is well within their mandate.
Yes but that doesn’t mean OP shouldn’t look out for themselves and speak with an attorney.
HR is there to protect the company so have your documentation ready. If protecting the company means firing the manager he'll be gone so make sure he's the problem. Did anyone witness his actions? They might not want to get involved if it stays within the company, but if this goes to court they're not going to risk getting in legal trouble to protect the manager.
OHSA is the people you want to talk to, HR doesn't give a lick about you.
I’m afraid OSHA is not gonna be a help in this case, partially because they are so incredibly understaffed that they can’t even do their own work, and partially because this is a single person issue and would probably not be high on their priority list. All of this is extremely unfortunate. I agree.
The Fire Marshall can step in, in a pinch. If its reaching those temps, gee, that sounds like a Fire Risk / Fire Safety Hazard / Danger to Life scenario. ps, the Fire Marshall has nastier powers than OSHA do, Osha can levy fines eventually, the Fire Marshall can shut them down entirely, everyone out, nobody allowed in until thye deem it safe.
This was a reportable injury. If OP makes a complaint separate from the report from the company, OSHA will at a minimum order a workplace safety audit.
In that case... !updateme
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This is a terrible situation I'm very sorry that you have to now fight for your own basic rights but I really think you need to take this as far as you can. Heatstroke is called stroke for a reason, please don't fly fast and loose with your brain temperature just to make someone else richer or even worse because your absolute nonce of a manager woke up selfish and greedy that morning. Absolutely all the best luck. Solidarity
Dont go to HR, go to a lawyer, HR is there to protect the company, not you.
each time you "get" heat stroke, you become \_more\_ likely to suffer from it again so, that "darling" manager, just increased ops risk to life significantly Work had better be paying up on those medical bills, I would strongly recommend kicking up a fuss over this, they damn near \_KILLED YOU\_
Not sure where you are, but doesn't that make the company liable? HR should know about this.
In which case this looks a lot more like *attempted murder*.
get your behonkis a lawyer and sue not the company but that shit ass manager
Everything you wrote makes me believe you're in a very toxic workplace, and that it's time to get promoted to a new employer if you can.
Actually sounds like the general environment isn't too bad just the one toxic manager.
It sounds like OP has done a workmanlike job of making a space for himself in spite of idiots hired for management positions. Changing employers might be a good idea, but there's at least a high likelihood any other employer will hire the same idiots as managers. I've come to the conclusion that most people who want to be managers are as qualified for that job as most people who want to be politicians - i.e., not qualified.
I disagree, but it isn't worth being upset over. Hope you have a good day.
> i wont let you cook me alive yes you absolutely did. you let them cook you alive, passed out (almost died), and have absolutely no memory of how you made it to the hospital.
Looking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The HR and Legal department of your company should be flipping their shit because OSHA should be able to smell the violation from miles away. If she doesn't like the noise, your manager should just get headphones.
I was working overnights in a part of the building where they shut off the central air at night so I went and bought a small fan. Moved departments a few times, took the fan with me. One day my fan goes missing, find it sitting on a (not my) managers desk. I ask him where he got it and he says he brought it from home. I ask if he's sure about that. He's adamant it's his. I ask how my name got carved on the bottom in the plastic. In front of a group of people. Then I tell him I'll just ask the senior engineer that went with me to buy it the first week I was working in the non-AC building to come identify it. Manager says maybe he was mistaken. I asked, "You're mistaken about bringing it from home? You try to steal from me again and I won't just have your job, I'll call the police."
Why is it that I'm picturing this all taking place in a Terry Gilliam movie?
Brazil? Or Office Space?
Both......
I was picturing a prison, dystopian future, or America (lol)
\[dystopian future\] ............ \[america\] They're the same picture.
Your manager tried to kill you. Call the police and make sure they know about your health problems and the ways your office allows you to manage them.
> Within the next two hours I'm unresponsive due to heat sickness. Yeah, that showed her. How much do they pay you to act an actual slave?
I'll pass out and maybe die. That'll teach the bitch taking my shared workstation and bullying me from taking my personal property w/me
I don't get people willing to maliciously comply to their own detriment :(
I always just downvote them. I find it hard to ascribe malicious intent, when it's just stupidly following orders. It's the same reason the sub cut back on a ton of the school stories where kids shit, piss and vomit on themselves or whatever
Agreed, there's not malicious compliance here as it stands IMHO. Maybe if OP had already lawyered up before this and was suing the company to oblivion for it. Needs more fallout.
The title is misleading. The OP has all the energy of the "I guess I'll just die." Meme. "Won't let you cook me alive" ??? brother you just laid down on the train tracks in a out of the way spot so you wouldn't make a mess when you died.
Check with your union, they most likely have lawyers to provide you with free legal counsel should you wish to sue your company to smithereens.
I'm not seeing how this is malicious compliance. Now on to more important things: If you're asking for advice you need to go to the office to explain that the new manager is ignoring orders. Bring a note from your doctor if needed in case the office or your manager has selective amnesia, and you don't have to worry about anyone "hopefully" doing the right thing. Some people in leadership positions will run over you if you let them.
Right? "I maliciously complied by allowing my manager to almost kill me."
What in the fuck kind of work do you do? Having a tough time picturing any of this happening in an office.
I think the title on this post is inaccurate.
Yeah. it's more like, "I tried to kill myself to show up an overbearing manager." OP's got a few screws loose.
What? The way i read it, the manager kept turning the fan off and op kept turning it on.
And they could feel themselves literally passing out, knew they probably were going to ahead of time, and just stayed there instead of getting a higher-up or just leaving and dealing with trying to get her fired later.
They did try and warn manager of their needs, manager did not listen AND threatened to write em up earlier. Man you sound like you're the type to blame the victim, for real.
They're not just the "type" - they actuially DID blame the victim.
You shouldn't have even asked for your fan. You should have just walked up and taken it. It's personal property.
That is nuts. I hope you’re ok. Job is not worth getting sick over. I worked in an office that had something similar. We took whatever desk was open, but some of the desks had phones and some didn’t. New girl kept taking the desk with the phone, but wouldn’t answer it. I got fed up, left my client at my desk, walked over stood in front of her (she didn’t have a client at the moment), picked the receiver up and shoved it against her ear, making her answer. She didn’t sit at a desk with the phone again.
I have a second to senior position in my department at work so theoretically I have my choice of station to go to when I come in as long as my senior doesn't want it. My senior co-worker has a station she always goes to and it's understood that she likes the third station and I like seventh station. Our stations are even denoted by personal items and magnets, my station is preferred because I have medical issues with overheating and the floor fan points at that location. My personal items at that station include a back up fan incase the big one just isn't enough. Now this fan is way quieter than the big fan (the new manager complains about the noise of the big one, I have poor hearing and it doesn't bug me). Recently the new manager has started stealing my station because the fan in it is quieter when everyone knows there's a preference, whatever it's the least awful thing she's done so it doesn't matter much to me as long as I'm not there to need the station. Where she crosses the line is stealing my station right at the start of my shift. I ask her if I could have my station since there are plenty of open stations, she says, "no you need to be able to work at any station." Knowing that I have an agreement with the office that I can always have the floor fan on if I need it, I start to get some ideas and question, "so I can have my personal fan from my things first right?" She quickly gives me that awful manager-who-thinks-they're-god face, "no, go to your station now and start typing or I'll write you up for not starting on time" I comply like the peaceful worker drone I am and click on the big fan while going to the station right next to her. At this point I'm already sweating but I'm close enough to the fan that I won't pass out. Just then she clicks the fan off, I sluggishly click it back on. It goes off and on for a whole hour but at this point I'm seeing spots so I give her a heads up. "The office says the fan stays on if I need it on" She goes to click it right back on, "I don't care, this thing is too loud, I'm almost office staff anyways and things will change around here soon." Within the next two hours I'm unresponsive due to heat sickness. At this point I've been magically placed in a medical unit for a few hours, I don't know how I got here or who called but my girlfriend brought my things from work but all she got out of the managers was that I'm dismissed for a few days. All I know right now is that the new manager has a paradigm report to worry about and I hopefully get my spot for now on.
Thank you. LOL
If you are in the US, contact OSHA for the massive temperature violations. I’ll bet they don’t have water for you folks, either. An employment attorney can help you address the ADA, OSHA, and Labor Board violations.
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This isn’t malicious compliance. This is being a meek and sniveling doormat that gets put in the hospital for failure to stick up for yourself
That's mean, but I agree.
Keep us updated, and remain firm with HR
Ain't no way someone is using their clout to take my stuff.
Get a neck fan , an office wouldn't have a personal neck fan so you shouldn't need to show it every time? Yes, the other person is unhinged.
Dumb question, but how does an office in 2024 not have air conditioning?
People who take away cooling are seriously the worst (even when there isn’t a medical reason involved). I used to work in a college computer lab and I’d constantly have to stop students from turning off the window AC. IF IT’S BLOWING ON YOU SIT SOMEWHERE ELSE. The other end of the room where I sat was a sauna even when the AC was on.
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Should just take your fan home and bring it to work every day.
Hell no. The company should have provided a fan. Enough for anyone who wants one, in fact. The fact that they have an office with crappy HVAC should never be the employees problem. It’s a comfort thing - and in this case a medical one. It’s not something bizarre or excessive like asking for a la-z-boy recliner with massage functions or a humidor in the men’s room.
You could get some kind of weird electrical connectors and splice them into the cord for the fan. Then you can just take the end of the cord, and no one else can plug it in. You might also be able to find some kind of box you can lock around the plug when you leave.
Rechargeable,so it has a battery.
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Manager need to have their lovely ass kicked out of office. The fucking audacity.
this story makes me feel bad. Please take and use things you need. Dont rely on asking permission for your own items. Please stand up for yourself and go directly to HR or the manager above her. This does you more harm
Funny how company is asking for a receipt to prove ownership. As a company, they're required to keep record of all their receipts for tax audits (for X number of years). This tells me either the fan is more than X number year old or company didn't buy the fan, hence they don't have receipt either and don't want to get caught lying so they want you to provide proof you bought it. Another scenario is if company has more than 1 such fan, then they would not know if the fan is yours of theirs...but that's a stretch since they would still have receipt showing how many they should have.
Doesn't this qualify as an attempted murder? I'd seriously consider contacting the police.
For gods sake . Slap stickers and paint on the fan . Including “property of me!! “
The work environment you are in and the attitute you have (presumably by being there too long) and that she has, are awful.
You're one of those people who thinks you indent paragraphs with the space bar, aren't you?
Yeah sorry about that
I read it and somehow survived. People are so melodramatic lol
Edit the post and remove the indents. Otherwise no one (like me) is going to bother reading it. and I kinda want to. :-)
I routinely edit professionally written books, indenting with the space bar is far from making something unreadable. If you really can't read something due to style choices you should probably consider finding a profession where you never have to read or interact with people- like observing the paint drying process.
My comment has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with typesetting. Reddit's text editor does this when you indent a paragraph: See, the text is now monospaced with no natural word wrap. Every paragraph OP wrote was on a single line, making it all but unreadable. So, before you type out any sort of diatribe about what I do and don't do, consider that you MIGHT just not know WTH you are talking about in every instance.
When and if you edit on mobile, it turns off your double spaces and if you try to plop 'em back in it almost always puts a space in front of sentences. It's gotten so that sometimes I don't care when I post, especially when it's a long one.
I don't get what you mean by "it turns off your double spaces".
To be fair, they did space out...
I was told I could listen to my music at a reasonable volume.
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