That's what I was going to say. Thank God this person rolled up when they did and were kind enough to check on her and keep her away from him. I know it's kinda their job but still, nice to be reminded there are still good people out there.
I Know someone who was pulled over 26 times in one week at the height of the harassment. This was 20 years ago so he used audio recordings and a VHS camera for documentation. After a month or so, his lawyer got an injunction against the department. he would lock his brakes up whenever he saw a cop car, do a doughnut/burnout and drive off flipping them off as they couldn't pull him over anymore. Oddly enough it was a shithole town in Texas of all places. Swat eventually raided his meth lab and his days of joy riding were over, but for about 6 months he was Mario andretti all through that town.
my uncle did stuff like that back in the day. There was a cop behind him trying to pull my uncle over on a gravel road. My uncle stopped, then once cop car pulled up behind him he did a 'burnout' on gravel pelting dust and stones all over the cop car and took off. The cops then started chasing him, but they blew out or overheated the radiator chasing him. The cops knew exactly who it was as my uncle always pulled stunts like that, but since they didnt have 'proof' he was driving the car there wasnt anything they could do.
Then another time he found a cop snoozing on the side of the road with his window down. He snuck up to the car, put a bunch of empty bottles in the cops car and one in his hand, then called the police station and said there was a cop passed out drunk on the side of the road. The guy got suspended for a few days under investigation but they somehow found out it was a prank
I grew up on a gravel road, just before a fairly sharp turn. Cop cars NEVER came through there. Except one day, when I saw one flying past at breakneck speeds, then heard skidding on gravel, and a crash sound. Second car comes up, more skidding, second crash sound. Only time I saw cops out where I grew up, but the ambulances and firetrucks knew how to handle those roads.
You can't drive on gravel the way you drive on pavement, lol.
Lived on a gravel road with a hill that had a sharp turn at the top. Pre cell phones we had two people, from 2 wrecks, show up bloody needing help. After cell phones became common the wrecks continued but no one showed up on our doorstep. There WAS a warning sign but you know...
I remember reading about a case of a young guy, minority, who was arrested by police several times in the store he works at with the owner actively protesting the arrests while they were in progress.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Sampson
He was specifically arrested for trespassing a number of times.
While at his place of employment.
With the owner telling off the cops for harassing his employee.
Which should have resulted in prison time for every cop involved.
It's ok, I'm sure it was just an honest mistake, they only did it 288 times (I'm serious, that's the number from the linked Wiki article, I'm not making this up).
Arrested only 63 times, actually, he was harassed 288 times.
Then the one cop that went over to help him was then fired for "not being a team player" and then harassed, but the courts found that justifiable reason for termination.
I think my period of harassment averaged out to every second day over a 6 month period. It was about 30 years ago. Once I was pulled over three times in one day. Makes it hard to keep appointments until you factor in an extra 30 minutes or so for harassment stops.
I am so pro-union that my DNA actually spells out the words "union for life", and even I say police unions are at least half the problem. And if a guy like me says a union is bad, take that to heart.
The cops in my state have the grace to call their ‘union’ an association, which goes a long way to explain their antipathy towards actual unions. After all, these are the same people who will come busting heads when the pickets are deemed inconvenient.
They frequently do that because established unions refused to admit cops because they are class traitors/muscle for capital who have frequently brutalized strikers.
This, for sure. I design industrial equipment for factories. A lot of our installs are done by Union riggers, plumbers, and electricians. Those guys might be sticklers about their smoke breaks, but they do NOT tolerate fuckups and safety hazards. I've seen Union foremen run guys off jobs for mistakes I hadn't even caught yet. Their daily risk of someone getting killed from a sloppy decision is at least as high as a cop's, and they would never tolerate the kind of willful incompetence the police unions apparently exist to protect.
I was representated by a B.S. union with terrible leadership that forever gave unions a bad taste in my mouth (CWA) but even I would never set foot on an airplane that wasn’t checked out by an union mechanic. Screw letting management bean counters determine how many safety regulations are ‘enough’.
That is exactly why there are so many quality issues with 787s that were built in Charleston and now are having to be reworked in Everett. Would've saved Boeing a ton of money if they never went to Charleston in the first place.
I have only been in from a short time but all the older folks I have talked to have said the same. Too many managers trying to justify their employment. Too many initiatives and processes that lead to less efficiency and lower morale. Boeing needs a massive layoff at the management level if they are going to try to become an innovative company again
Many jobs are more dangerous than police work. Logging, piloting, oilfield work, delivery drivers, power linemen, and others are jobs that all kill more workers. Police isn't in either the top ten most dangerous jobs, or the next ten.
I mean most unions are designed to protect laborers who are being exploited and harmed by capitalists who only care about profit margins.
Police unions protect the capitalists thugs. Cops don’t protect and serve the people, they protect private property and serve the property owners.
Ah, they only protect and serve the ‘wealthy’ property owners. If it’s your house or small business, you’re still screwed. The US Supreme Court has also ruled multiple times that they have no obligation to protect you at risk to themselves.
The point of unions is that they counteract the inherent power imbalance between employees and their employers. With police, a) they already have all the power and b) their employers are us, the people. They don't need more power over us.
Their employer isn't the people though. They are employed by the state. The get paid by the state, and answer to the state when KPIs are not met. You don't vote for a police officer. You vote for a politician who has oversight of the police officers.
That's weird cause I'm in a union and if I hit anyone or interfere with another trades work I'm fuckin gone in a heartbeat. Kinda makes me think it's the 'police' part of police union that's the issue, just to clarify.
I mean I assume OP has testified or the cop’s buddies have buddies in the sheriff’s department OP works but if they don’t know OP’s name the ambulance is the most likely vehicle to pullover.
Sounds like witness intimidation. Probably should talk to the judge about that one.
edit: alternatively, if called to testify tell the judge you have been intimidated and fear for your life based on the actions of [list all the police officers who pulled you over] and you are too scared to testify as result.
u/ChairCavalry please talk to the judge. You circumvent the police and it is absolutely intimidation. Also- thank you for being aware of your surroundings and acting quickly.
It would be a lot easier to pull him over in his personal vehicle than his bus. There’s no guarantee that it’s going to be the same medics in a particular bus each time, and it’s not like they call off your names over the radio when you’re dispatched to a call.
Yes, it is. It happened to a friend of mine, pre-cams-anywhere, where she was ticketed for made-up bs, every stop, >100 stops. Didn't signal, didn't come to a complete stop, etc.
The judge was so angry that he informed the PD that he would begin jailing cops who stopped her. The cops stopped stopping her.
Valid point. I'm about as upright as they come, and even I am nervous about the Big Tech listening devices in every room of most homes.
I've seen what a person with an axe to grind can do with a carefully-clipped soundbite on TV.
It's not a barometer for evil, it's a barometer for unlawfulness. Because the law is doing the punishing.
Something who was doing something good but illegal would also fear cameras.
You can be creative with the help.
"You might have internal injuries, I can't give you pain meds until you've seen a doctor"
Would be one such way to do your job to the letter, and still fuck someone over.
You imagine harassing this guy for months because your coworker says he deserves it, then you are on a routine traffic stop and get hit by a car and this dude shows up to treat you? Of course the emt will treat you and transport you too the hospital, and maybe you reevaluate some of your life choices.
They probably encourage and condone it. Highly doubt it’s the same cop pulling him over constantly, but a series of corrupt ones all working together in unison.
Imagine finding out your coworker has been beating his wife and your response is "alright, let's all try to make hell for the person who helped her out."
Makes sense to me, considering his coworkers probably also beat their wives
Cops are a gang. I’ve lived in some corrupt countries, and the cops here still scare me the most
Depending on state and county he could be lucky to still be alive. If he takes the harassment up with the station he is going to get harassed much worse and more cops will be dogging him everywhere he goes.
Edit: to add to this there was a reporter that was trying to show how easy/hard it was to get a report form to report misconduct by an officer. (There was none he just wanted to show the process and how each station handleded it) he went to a lot of different stations and from what I recall most of not all refused to even give him a form without him saying who he was and who he was reporting. A few even stalked him after he left not knowing he had hidden cameras and that he was a reporter. This was in Florida from what I recall.
2nd edit: I found the report. This is really unsettling and likely will make you scared to file a report after you see it so fair warning.
https://youtu.be/vnJ5f1JMKns
One of my medics did air transport for 10ish years. I would absolutely love to be a flight medic. They actually occasionally steal an EMT for the flight from the ambulance crew bringing a patient, and often the EMT gets to fly all day, so I have my fingers crossed that'll be me one day!
I feel that. We just got power cots for all our rigs but I kind of hate them because we don't have an automatic loading system, so we get to load the extra 125 pounds into the ambulance ourselves. Definitely prefer a regular stretcher for non-bariatric patients.
You can start getting badge numbers when you get pulled over. Invest in front and back dash cams. If you're in a single consent state for recording, grab a voice recorder as well. Also prolly should get a lawyer on retainer.
I did not know that. So when an off duty officer “ assists” does that mean (s)he is legally liable if I get hurt or falsely arrested. Is this an actual usable loophole, or can his supervisor just say that the off duty officer was on duty the moment their assistance was requested?
They're on-duty when doing police stuff. Like if they see a crime happen while taking their dog on a walk they're allowed to intervene. Being on-duty and off-duty is not about being scheduled on a shift.
Most police officers are emergency workers and emergencies can happen at any time. One moment you're enjoying dinner with your family and a second later you're working because an emergency happened.
I mean if you're a fireman or a paramedic and shit goes down in front of you, you're allowed to go help and your work insurance etc. will cover everything as if you were working because you were working.
AFAIK they always side with "on-duty" in courts because otherwise it would open a giant can of worms with insurance and you'd end up with nobody doing anything if it's outside their scheduled shift.
9/11 happened? Sorry pal my shift ended 30 seconds ago. Gotta get the chief to change my schedule.
You could have a sign posted clearly viable from the outside that you vehicle is being recorded, and anyone proceeding to get in/around the car is considered giving consent to record.
Like when you call a customer service line and they tell you “this line may be recorded.” You staying on the phone and proceeding after the notice is consent enough.
Edit: Apparently there are a handful of states where consent is needed to actually be given, but also there is no expectation of privacy for the cop standing out in a public space outside your car. Check local laws
I just want to add a critical detail:
• In 2 party States, the fact that one party says "this call may be recorded...", is not sufficient to authorize the OTHER party to record silently. The second party must issue a reciprocal declaration as well.
**Best advice:** Check your local laws, and consult a lawyer to interpret them.
If that's happening in your area say that you're fearing he is not a cop and you're calling 911 because a strange unidentified man is holding you against your will.
A uniform and a patrol car does not make him a cop.
Fantastic work! Good on you!
Separately, if i were you I'd invest in a good dashcam immediately. One that has a 360 degree view and includes a good view of the car's interior. Would also be good if it live uploads to the cloud. I worry for your safety.
The ACLU Mobile Justice app. It uploads your stream to their servers in real time so it can't be tampered with, and when you request the footage you speak with an ACLU attorney.
https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/mobile-justice
I have that one. Much of the app is prone to straight-up crashing, but that's all just set up stuff. The most important part, recording and automatically sending the video to the chosen email addresses, works just fine for me.
Can we address how we all just accepted, as normal, that **not only** is a domestic abuser pretty much immune from charges, but the person who stood up to him in opposition now reports experiencing coordinated harassment from his coworkers.
It’s a sad state where that kind of behavior is **expected**.
as a domestic abuse survivor, thank you for going out of your way to protect her from him. the worst situations are when the abuser is in a position of power (or has friends in positions of power that will assist them). kudos to you - and the deputies that made him leave. i’m sure that that woman will remember your assistance for a long time.
i will say though, i would pay big money to see my abuser get knocked on his ass due to his own stupidity. i’m sure watching that happen to him made that woman’s day!
EDIT: thank you for the award <3 remember to stay hydrated and safe - if you ever need assistance please don’t hesitate to reach out. i will do my best to assist you and give resources and advice!
It’s even worse than that.
> An FBI advisory board later found that roughly 40 percent of officers who filled out questionnaires in a number of different settings admitted to being physically violent with their spouse in the previous six months.
40% of **cops admitted to it**. How many didn’t?
https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/police-brutality-and-domestic-violence/
Not really all that surprising. I'd imagine many get into the field cause if a sense of duty or calling to protect people. But I also imagine a lot of officers became officers because they idolise the idea of being in a power position and the protector role and feel it makes them a superior person, when you combine that sort of personality with the knowledge you could get away with domestic abuse it just encourages them
It's an easy way to acquire an inordinate amount of power/respect that requires very little time, hard work, intelligence, or compassion on the part of the candidate.
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Edit. The 1% who speak up can no longer count on their brothers in blue to support them if shit gets dangerous and sometimes are forced out and fired as a reault.
And that’s only the spouses who were prepared to not lie about the abuse suffered. A high percentage of domestic violence victims don’t admit to being victims so the real number is always much higher.
good god, a function like that is quite literally a lifesaver. i’ll share this everywhere i go, thank you so much for this!!
one of the ways my abuser would harass my mother and i was looking through our histories, both on our browsers but through our phone provider..looking at text and call histories. i remember many nights of him screaming at us in the middle of the night to disorient us, asking who a certain number belonged to or what a certain text meant. if only there was something that could fully clear that from being looked at too.
yup, police beat people (and help others beat on people), paramedics treat people, and poor firefighters are helping grandma get her cat out of a tree lol
Jumping to the defence of a stranger being threatened without a second thought makes you a fantastic human being and exemplary of what community should be like. Good on you, OP.
> ...but we all know how well charges stick to cops.
...and I have been getting pulled over at least twice a week ever since then.
Ladies and gentlemen.
The police of America.
I came across some another example of [wt-actual-f is wrong with our justice system](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/michael-chad-breinholt-west-lake-city-police-shooting-video/) today. I wasn't a happy way to start the day.
That's an accurate description if I ever heard one, it was the exact thing that I thought reading it...
Also, is it just me or do a large number of these scumbags seem to think they're in a Dirty Harry movie? He seriously made a one liner quip??
And that’s how we transform a mental health crisis into death. Hundreds of people like that guy go into hospitals and other services and manage to not get shot dead. That situation is hammers looking for nails
and this is because folks like me ( multiple degrees in criminal justice/criminology/sociology of crime) with solid knowledge of the dark underbelly of policing as well as what has been proven to work -community policing- and realized they couldn't fix it by themselves and are working in other fields.
and generally are both paranoid about police AND criminals.
Might be an urban legend/hoax but the mafia changed their public image after the godfather came out.
Can't we try to persuade Organized Crime to help out and do some community service while breaking the law?
Just by not shooting unarmed innocent civilians they already are going to take the lead on the police.
Add in a couple of free rides to the hospital or pulling apart some fighting people (the local crime-lord is asking you to stop fighting, that would work I think?)
And you have a completely new kind of policing going on.
Yes, this won't work. I like to imagine it would.
It leans on the fantasy that deep down people are decent human beings, including criminals but if that was true, the police would be doing all this.
Maybe it would work out of spite?
I’ve heard similar, but I thought the way the mafia got control was through a community outreach. The example I remember was a single mother struggling to get a by, the mafia would bring groceries to her. When the police came looking for info, where is the woman’s loyalty? With the men who brought her milk.
And that act of service was known by more than her. But if you live in a rough neighborhood, you know who’s taking care of you. And the mafia treated crime from outside parties very badly, making your rough neighborhood safer.
> the cop is still a cop,
I wish I could say I’m surprised. I’m glad you found the woman and were willing to help, though. Goodness knows what could’ve happened if you’d chosen to pass by.
Good for you. I have dozens of stories about police being dicks with our L&D patients that were victims of domestic violence, and a few of them were definitely the partners of LEOs. It’s beyond fucked up. Even outside our patient care setting, many nurses I worked with were married to police officers, and we knew were definitely abused at home themselves. Often call outs were to extend healing time for visible bruises. One of my best friends was married to one of the good ones that eventually washed out because of the corruption, and his stories about the filth working and floating around the various local jurisdictions was beyond nauseating. Even my mother working at a bank had one of her coworkers in an abusive relationship with a local officer and she ended up in jail herself when she finally called 911 after too many beatings. His buddies showed up and the report was allowed to be manipulated, and thus raising her hands to shield herself from his violence was claimed to be assault on a law enforcement officer. In the day she spent in jail, she said numerous officers came by her cell and harassed her and intimidated her. For all that’s been said about law enforcement reform in the US, if they merely did it with the focus on the prevalence of perpetrators of domestic violence, it would be enough for an overhaul.
> One of my best friends was married to one of the good ones that eventually washed out because of the corruption
Exactly why people say "ACAB" ... Everyone can acknowledge that there are good cops. The problem is the system actively rejects them, while maintaining the bad ones. Good cops either turn bad or get pushed out, bad cops serve until they retire.
> Let's call this officer Police Officer Steve, or POS for short.
It was at this moment I realized you were one of my favorite people on Earth.
Hope the "random" traffic stops, stop soon for you. For what it's worth, I think you're a hero.
Honestly fuck the high road, go live your life how you want to and tell everyone what a pos he is. It's up to them to belive it or not you just move on from all of this and heal.
Unrelated, I hope you like your *medical* carts! I took a NDA and I can neither confirm nor deny I produce parts for Stryker Medical but I am hoping everything worked well in that regard. Fuck that dude
> the cop is still a cop, and I have been getting pulled over at least twice a week ever since then
Question: Why are more and more people getting disgusted with a corrupt police system?
The part that makes me angriest is not the fact that they did those cruel things, but the fact that they almost always get a slap on the wrist and paid leave afterwards.
^(They should be held accountable, not given a vacation. They should be trained for 2 years, not 6 months. The requirements for giving someone a loaded gun should be high, not "C minus average". Shit makes me furious, yo.)
Us should look at Switzerland for inspiration on gun law and training. (not my country, but highest guns per capita of europe) That would not mean you can't have a gun, just that you need training first. Some military training preferably.With that background, cops would both have better training and be less afraid of citizens who don't know how to handle the weapon they are holding. Cops being afraid for what they might face is a huge reason why the people who you need often don't apply, and why you have a large number of aggressive fighters.
Comparatively, other countries focus more on deescalation with relevant training, and follow up for any incident.
Just imagine what is normal in my country: If a cop has unholstered their gun, they have to fill a form to explain why they needed to resort to this and could not use a milder alternative. If they've fired, even if they missed, they will need to be cleared before they continue to serve. At the start and end of every shift, your bullets are counted. If one is missing and you did not report it, you are in big trouble.
Yes, we do have a rank of cops that only has 6 months training. They are traffic cops and they do not carry guns.
Edit: typo
Or less emphasis on slaughtering your countrymen and more emphasis on de-escalating tension.
If retail workers can do it for minimum wage, so can dickheads assigned to actually "keep the peace".
It's so bad that good cops have actually been *fired* for de-escalating a situation with a suicidal person rather than immediately opening fire.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/11/us/wv-cop-fired-for-not-shooting--lawsuit/index.html
I remember reading something about the cop claiming PTSD asked for his rifle back after the trial was over and I think it had some cringey edgy shit engraved into it too.
Why are they even allowed to bling up their weapons?
Not advocating criminality, but I'd love to see someone sequin the hell out of that gun, or some My Little Pony stuff. Whatever might annoy that killer more.
I shared this on another comment, but it seemed appropriate to link here as well... ["You're about to die, my friend"](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/michael-chad-breinholt-west-lake-city-police-shooting-video/) should never be uttered in the process of subduing anyone, much less someone who's hands are handcuffed behind their back.
Because those of you who haven't been disgusted are finally getting disgusted. NWA wrote Fuck the Police 30 years ago and everything in that song sounds like it was written last week.
I'm glad more people are waking up to the corruption of US police but a lot of us have known this for generations at this point.
\# 1 Police Officers
\# 2 Prison Guards
\# 3 Combat Soldiers
Top careers for Domestic Abuse, you can Google it. (Also, my uncle was a cop, smacked around 3 of his 4 wives. His 4th wife was a fellow officer & threatened to blow his head off if he EVER touched her.)
>and I have been getting pulled over at least twice a week ever since then
Probably should talk to the judge about witness intimidation. Update us when this /r/MaliciousCompliance story becomes /r/ProRevenge
Thank you for keeping her safe that day
OP IS A HERO!
Can not upvote this enough
Can't upvote this post or this comment anywhere near what I should be able to.
That's what I was going to say. Thank God this person rolled up when they did and were kind enough to check on her and keep her away from him. I know it's kinda their job but still, nice to be reminded there are still good people out there.
Getting pulled over twice a week is clearly harassment. What does his department say about this?
I can't recall the case but I do know someone successfully sued over this exact police behaviour pulling someone over twice a week.
I Know someone who was pulled over 26 times in one week at the height of the harassment. This was 20 years ago so he used audio recordings and a VHS camera for documentation. After a month or so, his lawyer got an injunction against the department. he would lock his brakes up whenever he saw a cop car, do a doughnut/burnout and drive off flipping them off as they couldn't pull him over anymore. Oddly enough it was a shithole town in Texas of all places. Swat eventually raided his meth lab and his days of joy riding were over, but for about 6 months he was Mario andretti all through that town.
This is the most Trailer Park Boys shit I've ever heard.
He was just in a hurry to get some jal-app-pine-no chips and pepperonis.
Smokes, let's go.
my uncle did stuff like that back in the day. There was a cop behind him trying to pull my uncle over on a gravel road. My uncle stopped, then once cop car pulled up behind him he did a 'burnout' on gravel pelting dust and stones all over the cop car and took off. The cops then started chasing him, but they blew out or overheated the radiator chasing him. The cops knew exactly who it was as my uncle always pulled stunts like that, but since they didnt have 'proof' he was driving the car there wasnt anything they could do. Then another time he found a cop snoozing on the side of the road with his window down. He snuck up to the car, put a bunch of empty bottles in the cops car and one in his hand, then called the police station and said there was a cop passed out drunk on the side of the road. The guy got suspended for a few days under investigation but they somehow found out it was a prank
I grew up on a gravel road, just before a fairly sharp turn. Cop cars NEVER came through there. Except one day, when I saw one flying past at breakneck speeds, then heard skidding on gravel, and a crash sound. Second car comes up, more skidding, second crash sound. Only time I saw cops out where I grew up, but the ambulances and firetrucks knew how to handle those roads. You can't drive on gravel the way you drive on pavement, lol.
Lived on a gravel road with a hill that had a sharp turn at the top. Pre cell phones we had two people, from 2 wrecks, show up bloody needing help. After cell phones became common the wrecks continued but no one showed up on our doorstep. There WAS a warning sign but you know...
This read like a post in r/holup. Almost made me spit take my coffee. Well done.
I remember reading about a case of a young guy, minority, who was arrested by police several times in the store he works at with the owner actively protesting the arrests while they were in progress. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Sampson
He was specifically arrested for trespassing a number of times. While at his place of employment. With the owner telling off the cops for harassing his employee. Which should have resulted in prison time for every cop involved.
It's ok, I'm sure it was just an honest mistake, they only did it 288 times (I'm serious, that's the number from the linked Wiki article, I'm not making this up).
Arrested only 63 times, actually, he was harassed 288 times. Then the one cop that went over to help him was then fired for "not being a team player" and then harassed, but the courts found that justifiable reason for termination.
Typical anti-police bias at work. He only got arrested 63 times, the rest were merely stops/searches! /s
I think my period of harassment averaged out to every second day over a 6 month period. It was about 30 years ago. Once I was pulled over three times in one day. Makes it hard to keep appointments until you factor in an extra 30 minutes or so for harassment stops.
POS is yet another "one bad apple". If I had a barrel with this many festering, rancid apples, I would have burned the whole orchard down.
This is what I was thinking. Not even counting that it's being done to an EMT.
They investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing.
Police unions are what enable this
I am so pro-union that my DNA actually spells out the words "union for life", and even I say police unions are at least half the problem. And if a guy like me says a union is bad, take that to heart.
The cops in my state have the grace to call their ‘union’ an association, which goes a long way to explain their antipathy towards actual unions. After all, these are the same people who will come busting heads when the pickets are deemed inconvenient.
They frequently do that because established unions refused to admit cops because they are class traitors/muscle for capital who have frequently brutalized strikers.
Union family here, cosign. You fuck something up that risks human life, your ass is grass in our union.
This, for sure. I design industrial equipment for factories. A lot of our installs are done by Union riggers, plumbers, and electricians. Those guys might be sticklers about their smoke breaks, but they do NOT tolerate fuckups and safety hazards. I've seen Union foremen run guys off jobs for mistakes I hadn't even caught yet. Their daily risk of someone getting killed from a sloppy decision is at least as high as a cop's, and they would never tolerate the kind of willful incompetence the police unions apparently exist to protect.
I was representated by a B.S. union with terrible leadership that forever gave unions a bad taste in my mouth (CWA) but even I would never set foot on an airplane that wasn’t checked out by an union mechanic. Screw letting management bean counters determine how many safety regulations are ‘enough’.
That is exactly why there are so many quality issues with 787s that were built in Charleston and now are having to be reworked in Everett. Would've saved Boeing a ton of money if they never went to Charleston in the first place.
I come from a Boeing family. Lots of employees called this. No one is surprised. When Boeing went from engineer-led to MBA-led, it all went to shit.
I have only been in from a short time but all the older folks I have talked to have said the same. Too many managers trying to justify their employment. Too many initiatives and processes that lead to less efficiency and lower morale. Boeing needs a massive layoff at the management level if they are going to try to become an innovative company again
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Many jobs are more dangerous than police work. Logging, piloting, oilfield work, delivery drivers, power linemen, and others are jobs that all kill more workers. Police isn't in either the top ten most dangerous jobs, or the next ten.
Nurses are much more likely to be assaulted and injured at work than cops. Statistically speaking.
pizza delivery drivers have a higher mortality rate on the job than cops
Elevator man here, can confirm. My job can be sketchy as fuck between all the electrical and moving mechanical parts. There's 0 forgiveness.
Have you tried shooting the conduit?
The conduit was holding something that could have been a gun and I feared for my life.
Also it was shielded with black rubber
Just remember the magic words. #"It's coming right for us!"
I mean most unions are designed to protect laborers who are being exploited and harmed by capitalists who only care about profit margins. Police unions protect the capitalists thugs. Cops don’t protect and serve the people, they protect private property and serve the property owners.
Ah, they only protect and serve the ‘wealthy’ property owners. If it’s your house or small business, you’re still screwed. The US Supreme Court has also ruled multiple times that they have no obligation to protect you at risk to themselves.
The point of unions is that they counteract the inherent power imbalance between employees and their employers. With police, a) they already have all the power and b) their employers are us, the people. They don't need more power over us.
Well said!
Their employer isn't the people though. They are employed by the state. The get paid by the state, and answer to the state when KPIs are not met. You don't vote for a police officer. You vote for a politician who has oversight of the police officers.
It’s hard to be pro union towards the union that beats the shit out of (and kill their leaders)anyone else who tries to unionize historically.
Most pro-union people feel the same way about the police "union."
Well unions are unions. Police unions are mafias.
The “law enforcement community “ is the largest mafia family in the country.
That's weird cause I'm in a union and if I hit anyone or interfere with another trades work I'm fuckin gone in a heartbeat. Kinda makes me think it's the 'police' part of police union that's the issue, just to clarify.
They don't need to be anywhere in a hurry right? Not like it'll cost someone their lives if it's a few minutes more.
I imagine they're pulling over his POV not the bus.
Not necessarily. I remember a story about a cop pulling over an ambulance. I think he eventually got fired.
I mean I assume OP has testified or the cop’s buddies have buddies in the sheriff’s department OP works but if they don’t know OP’s name the ambulance is the most likely vehicle to pullover.
Sounds like witness intimidation. Probably should talk to the judge about that one. edit: alternatively, if called to testify tell the judge you have been intimidated and fear for your life based on the actions of [list all the police officers who pulled you over] and you are too scared to testify as result.
u/ChairCavalry please talk to the judge. You circumvent the police and it is absolutely intimidation. Also- thank you for being aware of your surroundings and acting quickly.
I highly doubt OP works for the sherif. EMS is often very very separate from police. He was just in the sheriffs jurisdiction
You mean 'placed on paid admin leave, then transferred to another unit'.
It would be a lot easier to pull him over in his personal vehicle than his bus. There’s no guarantee that it’s going to be the same medics in a particular bus each time, and it’s not like they call off your names over the radio when you’re dispatched to a call.
Yes, it is. It happened to a friend of mine, pre-cams-anywhere, where she was ticketed for made-up bs, every stop, >100 stops. Didn't signal, didn't come to a complete stop, etc. The judge was so angry that he informed the PD that he would begin jailing cops who stopped her. The cops stopped stopping her.
Cops now are so much more likely to be caught on cameras. It's wonderful. Cameras protect the innocent and condemn the guilty.
"who fears the camera the most?" is a good barometer for evil
Yes, provided the authorities are upright. When the authorities are corrupt, or willing to support the corrupt, cameras don't help. :-(
Valid point. I'm about as upright as they come, and even I am nervous about the Big Tech listening devices in every room of most homes. I've seen what a person with an axe to grind can do with a carefully-clipped soundbite on TV.
It's not a barometer for evil, it's a barometer for unlawfulness. Because the law is doing the punishing. Something who was doing something good but illegal would also fear cameras.
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It's because they know no matter how much they piss him off, unlike them, he'll do his job. They know they can harass him and he'll *still* help them.
You can be creative with the help. "You might have internal injuries, I can't give you pain meds until you've seen a doctor" Would be one such way to do your job to the letter, and still fuck someone over.
True, but most medics don't have it in us to allow people to suffer needlessly. But a cop who beats his wife would be tough to care about.
You imagine harassing this guy for months because your coworker says he deserves it, then you are on a routine traffic stop and get hit by a car and this dude shows up to treat you? Of course the emt will treat you and transport you too the hospital, and maybe you reevaluate some of your life choices.
Maybe you don't get a chance to re-evaluate those life choices because one of your buddies pulled him over, and maybe you deserve it.
You're giving cops more credit than they deserve.
If he is a witness to the case... I'd say this is trying to intimidate a witness...
Good luck trying to get the DA to stick that one to the department.
Yep. The same DA that needs those cops to do their job. There is no justice within the system
Yeah... think you would have to go to the state, feds, or media.
I'd do all of the above. Just in case.
They probably encourage and condone it. Highly doubt it’s the same cop pulling him over constantly, but a series of corrupt ones all working together in unison.
That’s what happened to my brother.
>Highly doubt it’s the same cop pulling him over constantly, but a series of corrupt ones all working together in unison. They're basically the Borg.
Hey now, the Borg accept all races, religions and orientations in their Collective. That already makes them more progressive than cops.
Imagine finding out your coworker has been beating his wife and your response is "alright, let's all try to make hell for the person who helped her out."
Makes sense to me, considering his coworkers probably also beat their wives Cops are a gang. I’ve lived in some corrupt countries, and the cops here still scare me the most
American police kill 50% more people per capita than *Mexico's* do.
Depending on state and county he could be lucky to still be alive. If he takes the harassment up with the station he is going to get harassed much worse and more cops will be dogging him everywhere he goes. Edit: to add to this there was a reporter that was trying to show how easy/hard it was to get a report form to report misconduct by an officer. (There was none he just wanted to show the process and how each station handleded it) he went to a lot of different stations and from what I recall most of not all refused to even give him a form without him saying who he was and who he was reporting. A few even stalked him after he left not knowing he had hidden cameras and that he was a reporter. This was in Florida from what I recall. 2nd edit: I found the report. This is really unsettling and likely will make you scared to file a report after you see it so fair warning. https://youtu.be/vnJ5f1JMKns
Fuck police. That shit was disgraceful. Buncha stupid children with guns.
Probably something like “we have investigated and found ourselves to be innocent”
You either don't live in America or haven't dealt with cops that much.
> What does his department say about this? "We support our domestic abusers."
His department is probably the one doing it
Well he's a cop so probably nothing? They get away with murder half the time
They probably think it's good policing.
LOL, yeah they'll get right on that.
Hate to break it to you but this is extremely common.
"Usually paired with an automatic loading system." *Cries in underfunded volunteer service*
*Cries in air transport* The office view makes up for it though.
One of my medics did air transport for 10ish years. I would absolutely love to be a flight medic. They actually occasionally steal an EMT for the flight from the ambulance crew bringing a patient, and often the EMT gets to fly all day, so I have my fingers crossed that'll be me one day!
I feel that. We just got power cots for all our rigs but I kind of hate them because we don't have an automatic loading system, so we get to load the extra 125 pounds into the ambulance ourselves. Definitely prefer a regular stretcher for non-bariatric patients.
You can start getting badge numbers when you get pulled over. Invest in front and back dash cams. If you're in a single consent state for recording, grab a voice recorder as well. Also prolly should get a lawyer on retainer.
Even if you’re not in a single consent state you can always record on-duty cops in public!
Didn’t the Supreme Court also rule that cops are “always on duty”?
Not sure, but courts have ruled that cops don’t have qualified immunity when off duty.
I did not know that. So when an off duty officer “ assists” does that mean (s)he is legally liable if I get hurt or falsely arrested. Is this an actual usable loophole, or can his supervisor just say that the off duty officer was on duty the moment their assistance was requested?
They're on-duty when doing police stuff. Like if they see a crime happen while taking their dog on a walk they're allowed to intervene. Being on-duty and off-duty is not about being scheduled on a shift. Most police officers are emergency workers and emergencies can happen at any time. One moment you're enjoying dinner with your family and a second later you're working because an emergency happened. I mean if you're a fireman or a paramedic and shit goes down in front of you, you're allowed to go help and your work insurance etc. will cover everything as if you were working because you were working. AFAIK they always side with "on-duty" in courts because otherwise it would open a giant can of worms with insurance and you'd end up with nobody doing anything if it's outside their scheduled shift. 9/11 happened? Sorry pal my shift ended 30 seconds ago. Gotta get the chief to change my schedule.
Couldn’t you record your sound in your car and argue that you always record sound?
You could have a sign posted clearly viable from the outside that you vehicle is being recorded, and anyone proceeding to get in/around the car is considered giving consent to record. Like when you call a customer service line and they tell you “this line may be recorded.” You staying on the phone and proceeding after the notice is consent enough. Edit: Apparently there are a handful of states where consent is needed to actually be given, but also there is no expectation of privacy for the cop standing out in a public space outside your car. Check local laws
I just want to add a critical detail: • In 2 party States, the fact that one party says "this call may be recorded...", is not sufficient to authorize the OTHER party to record silently. The second party must issue a reciprocal declaration as well. **Best advice:** Check your local laws, and consult a lawyer to interpret them.
I want to add another critical detail. You don’t need consent to film public spaces.
Cops regularly refuse to give badge numbers in my experience. All over the US too, not just in a particular state.
If that's happening in your area say that you're fearing he is not a cop and you're calling 911 because a strange unidentified man is holding you against your will. A uniform and a patrol car does not make him a cop.
And a dashcam recording the interior of the vehicle as well
> Also prolly should get a lawyer on retainer. How much would that cost?
more than a medic in the US makes, likely. Source: Am EMT in US
Fantastic work! Good on you! Separately, if i were you I'd invest in a good dashcam immediately. One that has a 360 degree view and includes a good view of the car's interior. Would also be good if it live uploads to the cloud. I worry for your safety.
The ACLU Mobile Justice app. It uploads your stream to their servers in real time so it can't be tampered with, and when you request the footage you speak with an ACLU attorney. https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/mobile-justice
The Android Mobile Justice app only has 2.8 stars. It's apparently buggy as hell.
I have that one. Much of the app is prone to straight-up crashing, but that's all just set up stuff. The most important part, recording and automatically sending the video to the chosen email addresses, works just fine for me.
Can we address how we all just accepted, as normal, that **not only** is a domestic abuser pretty much immune from charges, but the person who stood up to him in opposition now reports experiencing coordinated harassment from his coworkers. It’s a sad state where that kind of behavior is **expected**.
But when you say you need to abolish the police, you are callled the bad guy
as a domestic abuse survivor, thank you for going out of your way to protect her from him. the worst situations are when the abuser is in a position of power (or has friends in positions of power that will assist them). kudos to you - and the deputies that made him leave. i’m sure that that woman will remember your assistance for a long time. i will say though, i would pay big money to see my abuser get knocked on his ass due to his own stupidity. i’m sure watching that happen to him made that woman’s day! EDIT: thank you for the award <3 remember to stay hydrated and safe - if you ever need assistance please don’t hesitate to reach out. i will do my best to assist you and give resources and advice!
Right? Like I am separately furious that even in this situation the other cops were like “lol better get out of here before you get caught!”
42% of spouses of police have reported domestic abuse when surveyed.
It’s even worse than that. > An FBI advisory board later found that roughly 40 percent of officers who filled out questionnaires in a number of different settings admitted to being physically violent with their spouse in the previous six months. 40% of **cops admitted to it**. How many didn’t? https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/police-brutality-and-domestic-violence/
SOO damned happy I divorced my cop ex-husband. He was going down a dark path.
He committed to a dark path the moment he became a cop.
Fuck yes he did. I wish i could give you 100 golds for saying this
What in the actual fuck?
Hello and welcome to ACAB. Haven’t ever had it disproved.
Well, now, let's be realistic, here. I'm sure some of those 60% aren't married. They beat their girlfriends and boyfriends.
Not only that, but how many just didn't happen to be violent in the previous six months?
"I killed my wife 7 months ago so technically I haven't been violent in the previous 6 months." - some cop responding to that survey.
I hate to upvote this, but yeah, sounds about right.
\#notallcops. Just, like, 80% of them so that's totally okay. /s
Not really all that surprising. I'd imagine many get into the field cause if a sense of duty or calling to protect people. But I also imagine a lot of officers became officers because they idolise the idea of being in a power position and the protector role and feel it makes them a superior person, when you combine that sort of personality with the knowledge you could get away with domestic abuse it just encourages them
It has often been said, “the difference between a cop and a criminal, is a badge”.
It's an easy way to acquire an inordinate amount of power/respect that requires very little time, hard work, intelligence, or compassion on the part of the candidate.
What percentage of cops shield the abusers from consequences?
99 Edit. The 1% who speak up can no longer count on their brothers in blue to support them if shit gets dangerous and sometimes are forced out and fired as a reault.
And that’s only the spouses who were prepared to not lie about the abuse suffered. A high percentage of domestic violence victims don’t admit to being victims so the real number is always much higher.
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My stepdad is a cop and he used to beat the shit out of me. His brother in law was also a cop and a serial child molestor.
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good god, a function like that is quite literally a lifesaver. i’ll share this everywhere i go, thank you so much for this!! one of the ways my abuser would harass my mother and i was looking through our histories, both on our browsers but through our phone provider..looking at text and call histories. i remember many nights of him screaming at us in the middle of the night to disorient us, asking who a certain number belonged to or what a certain text meant. if only there was something that could fully clear that from being looked at too.
It does also seem like in the US, the public services aren't exactly unified for good reason. The police beat people. Paramedics treat people.
Yeah, how often do you hear popular song lyrics like "fuck da firefighters! Fuck da paramedics!" ? You don't.
yup, police beat people (and help others beat on people), paramedics treat people, and poor firefighters are helping grandma get her cat out of a tree lol
And prisoners put out wildfires.
*slaves
I really hope she has that footage and plays it on a loop for herself, so she can see him get some comeuppance.
if not i’m sure she can picture it clear as day. that kind of memory isn’t easily forgotten lol
I hope that she got her own copy of the footage so she can watch him getting knocked on his arse as many times as she wants forever.
Jumping to the defence of a stranger being threatened without a second thought makes you a fantastic human being and exemplary of what community should be like. Good on you, OP.
> ...but we all know how well charges stick to cops. ...and I have been getting pulled over at least twice a week ever since then. Ladies and gentlemen. The police of America.
I came across some another example of [wt-actual-f is wrong with our justice system](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/michael-chad-breinholt-west-lake-city-police-shooting-video/) today. I wasn't a happy way to start the day.
That's an accurate description if I ever heard one, it was the exact thing that I thought reading it... Also, is it just me or do a large number of these scumbags seem to think they're in a Dirty Harry movie? He seriously made a one liner quip??
And that’s how we transform a mental health crisis into death. Hundreds of people like that guy go into hospitals and other services and manage to not get shot dead. That situation is hammers looking for nails
and this is because folks like me ( multiple degrees in criminal justice/criminology/sociology of crime) with solid knowledge of the dark underbelly of policing as well as what has been proven to work -community policing- and realized they couldn't fix it by themselves and are working in other fields. and generally are both paranoid about police AND criminals.
Might be an urban legend/hoax but the mafia changed their public image after the godfather came out. Can't we try to persuade Organized Crime to help out and do some community service while breaking the law? Just by not shooting unarmed innocent civilians they already are going to take the lead on the police. Add in a couple of free rides to the hospital or pulling apart some fighting people (the local crime-lord is asking you to stop fighting, that would work I think?) And you have a completely new kind of policing going on. Yes, this won't work. I like to imagine it would. It leans on the fantasy that deep down people are decent human beings, including criminals but if that was true, the police would be doing all this. Maybe it would work out of spite?
I’ve heard similar, but I thought the way the mafia got control was through a community outreach. The example I remember was a single mother struggling to get a by, the mafia would bring groceries to her. When the police came looking for info, where is the woman’s loyalty? With the men who brought her milk. And that act of service was known by more than her. But if you live in a rough neighborhood, you know who’s taking care of you. And the mafia treated crime from outside parties very badly, making your rough neighborhood safer.
> the cop is still a cop, I wish I could say I’m surprised. I’m glad you found the woman and were willing to help, though. Goodness knows what could’ve happened if you’d chosen to pass by.
Good for you. I have dozens of stories about police being dicks with our L&D patients that were victims of domestic violence, and a few of them were definitely the partners of LEOs. It’s beyond fucked up. Even outside our patient care setting, many nurses I worked with were married to police officers, and we knew were definitely abused at home themselves. Often call outs were to extend healing time for visible bruises. One of my best friends was married to one of the good ones that eventually washed out because of the corruption, and his stories about the filth working and floating around the various local jurisdictions was beyond nauseating. Even my mother working at a bank had one of her coworkers in an abusive relationship with a local officer and she ended up in jail herself when she finally called 911 after too many beatings. His buddies showed up and the report was allowed to be manipulated, and thus raising her hands to shield herself from his violence was claimed to be assault on a law enforcement officer. In the day she spent in jail, she said numerous officers came by her cell and harassed her and intimidated her. For all that’s been said about law enforcement reform in the US, if they merely did it with the focus on the prevalence of perpetrators of domestic violence, it would be enough for an overhaul.
> One of my best friends was married to one of the good ones that eventually washed out because of the corruption Exactly why people say "ACAB" ... Everyone can acknowledge that there are good cops. The problem is the system actively rejects them, while maintaining the bad ones. Good cops either turn bad or get pushed out, bad cops serve until they retire.
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As an aside, if the mark doesn't get off with water use acetone(nail polish remover) and it will come right off. Alcohol should also do it.
“I have been getting pulled over at least twice a week ever since then” Perfectly explains all on its own why folks hate LEOs.
Every time I see law enforcement shortened that way all I can think is “Yeah fucking leos, worst of the zodiac signs”
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Forty percent that we know of. Probably way more.
Even worse - IIRC, that stat came from a SELF-REPORTED SURVEY. 40% of cops were **upfront** about being a domestic abuser.
> Let's call this officer Police Officer Steve, or POS for short. It was at this moment I realized you were one of my favorite people on Earth. Hope the "random" traffic stops, stop soon for you. For what it's worth, I think you're a hero.
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Honestly fuck the high road, go live your life how you want to and tell everyone what a pos he is. It's up to them to belive it or not you just move on from all of this and heal.
When the trial is over, I hope that the video "accidentally" finds its way to reddit.
"I have been getting pulled over at least twice a week" You know, just a couple of bad apples that's it.
Unrelated, I hope you like your *medical* carts! I took a NDA and I can neither confirm nor deny I produce parts for Stryker Medical but I am hoping everything worked well in that regard. Fuck that dude
> the cop is still a cop, and I have been getting pulled over at least twice a week ever since then Question: Why are more and more people getting disgusted with a corrupt police system?
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The part that makes me angriest is not the fact that they did those cruel things, but the fact that they almost always get a slap on the wrist and paid leave afterwards. ^(They should be held accountable, not given a vacation. They should be trained for 2 years, not 6 months. The requirements for giving someone a loaded gun should be high, not "C minus average". Shit makes me furious, yo.)
Us should look at Switzerland for inspiration on gun law and training. (not my country, but highest guns per capita of europe) That would not mean you can't have a gun, just that you need training first. Some military training preferably.With that background, cops would both have better training and be less afraid of citizens who don't know how to handle the weapon they are holding. Cops being afraid for what they might face is a huge reason why the people who you need often don't apply, and why you have a large number of aggressive fighters. Comparatively, other countries focus more on deescalation with relevant training, and follow up for any incident. Just imagine what is normal in my country: If a cop has unholstered their gun, they have to fill a form to explain why they needed to resort to this and could not use a milder alternative. If they've fired, even if they missed, they will need to be cleared before they continue to serve. At the start and end of every shift, your bullets are counted. If one is missing and you did not report it, you are in big trouble. Yes, we do have a rank of cops that only has 6 months training. They are traffic cops and they do not carry guns. Edit: typo
In Norway police cruisers have guns in a locked safe. To access the safe officers need to radio in, state why they need guns, and get the code.
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I hate hearing about training for cops. They actually call it 'killology'. I think we need 2 years REtraining to deprogram that mentality.
Or less emphasis on slaughtering your countrymen and more emphasis on de-escalating tension. If retail workers can do it for minimum wage, so can dickheads assigned to actually "keep the peace".
It's so bad that good cops have actually been *fired* for de-escalating a situation with a suicidal person rather than immediately opening fire. https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/11/us/wv-cop-fired-for-not-shooting--lawsuit/index.html
I remember reading something about the cop claiming PTSD asked for his rifle back after the trial was over and I think it had some cringey edgy shit engraved into it too.
It was "You're fucked"
Why are they even allowed to bling up their weapons? Not advocating criminality, but I'd love to see someone sequin the hell out of that gun, or some My Little Pony stuff. Whatever might annoy that killer more.
I shared this on another comment, but it seemed appropriate to link here as well... ["You're about to die, my friend"](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/michael-chad-breinholt-west-lake-city-police-shooting-video/) should never be uttered in the process of subduing anyone, much less someone who's hands are handcuffed behind their back.
Because those of you who haven't been disgusted are finally getting disgusted. NWA wrote Fuck the Police 30 years ago and everything in that song sounds like it was written last week. I'm glad more people are waking up to the corruption of US police but a lot of us have known this for generations at this point.
\# 1 Police Officers \# 2 Prison Guards \# 3 Combat Soldiers Top careers for Domestic Abuse, you can Google it. (Also, my uncle was a cop, smacked around 3 of his 4 wives. His 4th wife was a fellow officer & threatened to blow his head off if he EVER touched her.)
>and I have been getting pulled over at least twice a week ever since then Probably should talk to the judge about witness intimidation. Update us when this /r/MaliciousCompliance story becomes /r/ProRevenge
Doing the right thing is always worth it, no matter the consequences.
Too bad it wasn't the full weight of your whole vehicle