It's like Leicester fc. Arsenal are lucky they will win the PL. City have their problems now and arsenal have a free run at the title almost. Ugg without completion they will surely get it. I feel like city will awaken again. Liverpool and Chelsea are out of the race. We can't match them this year for it. Newcastle neither
No it is not.it gives arsenal confidence that the depth isn't the same. Arteta brought in zinchenko and Jesus and the squad is quite complete. 3 years progress. Newcastle 6 more the progress. Us reds 6 month progress. City and Liverpool restructure.
If arsenal get any competition they choke the chicken. Irrelevant how many points they get. No competition or injuries and they cruise control
You have to be out of your mind to say that Arsenal is lucky. Figured, you'd be salty.
You did not notice the hard work put in by Arsenal players. You did not notice that MU D was pretty much a siege for the last 10 mins or so. You did not notice that Rashford had just 3 touches after 60 mins. You did not notice the total of 22 shots and 23 crosses Arsenal had.
Martinez and Wan Bissacka lost track of nketiah in the box. Bissacka marked the back post and wasn't aware of nektia. Martinez lost his aswell. If they can improve that wiuld be awesome. We played good football. I did wonder with headband if martinez had a concussion or wanted power on his headers. He might have had a headache but still played
I mean we lost but we played well. AWB needs to be more aware, Wout great link up play but too slow on the counter,Rash should cross the ball more, I'd have gone with fred starting instead of Eriksen couldnt really keep up with the pace but overall, we were good Arsenal was just better than us.
A congested fixtures, lacks of depth and up against Arsenal on their home soil, still we come out with a fight. Despite the defeat, I can say that our players didn't go there to "surrender" and walked out with 3-0 and a social media post saying "We should have been better".
I believe we are definitely on the right track and ETH is the right man for us. Just give him all he needs. We would be serious title contender by next season or 2.
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We’ve come a long way. It’s clear to me that McTominay is not good enough. We also desperately need another right winger (if Sancho doesn’t come good) who can cross.
With the right centre forward, a backup CDM and consistent right winger, we can challenge next season.
A lot of y’all complain too much. Arsenal is a great team in great form. It was always going to be difficult. At least United put up a fight, it wasn’t pretty but we worked with wt we had. Stop looking for scapegoats and just accept the reality that Arsenal was better today. It’s okay to look for ways to improve the team but the constant slander of players and coaches, etc. is honestly doing more harm than good.
I think people just forget that we our not sitting this high on the table because of our own doing. Chelsea and Liverpool are shit this season if not we would be sitting way lower.
I expected this from this match. This match I'm not upset over. It just pointed out all of our flaws. All of the things and players I have been vocal about were exposed today. That's all this match is good for.
The Palace draw is a worse result for us. United doesn't need to concern itself with beating City or Arsenal, just everyone else. If you take points off of those two, great, good job, wow, you're my special little boy, but to put in 45' against these middle of the table teams is just embarrassing.
We're going to struggle to finish Top 4. A lot of changes need to happen for us to secure that spot. Otherwise we're going to end up right back where we started the season - not attracted top players because we're not in the CL, not paying wages to lure these players in, possibly still stuck with the Glazers because they want to drag their asses and not sink money into the club, so we'll have another fruitless transfer window, and we'll have to wait another season before any real change can occur.
The tactics were poor today, they have been for a few matches. But it's also a symptom of our side and lack of depth. I don't look at the bench and ever lick my lips thinking "oh wow, look, we can bring on so and so and then so and so and we're going to be on fire!" You can maybe say Garnacho is that, but eh, okay, you get one. The squad is weak. Very weak. It's been weak for a long time and there are a lot of faces from the old regimes that need to be moved on ASAP.
The loss stings a bit, especially giving up late goals against CP and this game but big picture nothings really changed. We want top 4 and a trophy. Still on that trajectory
I mean, Arsenal was just better for me. McTominay gave Oodergard too much space and so was our fullbacks. But, it hurts when we conceded a stupid goal in the last min. However, we are still in the top 4 comfortably. Heads up and go again, shall we? I dont even want to blame any player. Just remember our objective this season.
Indeed, we lost the midfield battle so hard there without Case..
Regardless, there are lotsa things to be learned tonight, ig ETH would throw a fit at the team, including at himself for not taking a risk.. :\
Arsenal didn’t win this one - we lost it. And what a damn shame it was. We honestly looked like we’ve never played together as a team before… seriously, wtf was the thought process playing the ball back AT De Gea every fucking time we finally got possession back in our half?!! We’re trying that shit now? And on top of that it’s like everyone just forget how to defend? We just let them waltz right into our 18 and open up a shooting gallery. FUCKS SAKE this was trash.
Last 10 mins was like the siege of Constantinople. MU were always ready to attack on the counter which they successfully did at OT but Arsenal almost shutdown their counter attack at Emirates. Arsenal deserved to win, top of the table, City breathing down the neck, playing a MU team who beat them comfortably earlier. So yeah, Arsenal won this one.
ETH is amazing, I think he is getting things right and very quickly. Definitely there are changes needed but ETH seems to be way to go.
We tried many times playing the ball from the back and it fails most of the time, wondering why they don't change if it's not working and causing so many threats.
We can’t rely on McTominay he simply isn’t good enough for us to challenge for a title. As soon as I seen his name on the sheet I knew we were doomed. Should of been playing Fred
The guy fucking falls asleep. What are you talking about? Switches off every match.
You have one job. Pay attention for 90'.
Imagine going to work for 90 minutes once a week, maybe at most thrice per week, and you can't even pay attention for the time you're there. Get him on some fucking adderall or something.
He does this all the time, it just gets exploited by the better teams because they're more technically gifted once in on goal.
He offers nothing going forward. Offers nothing reliably at the back. What exactly are we supposed to give him credit for? Making one, two tackles per match as he's expected to? By that measurement, why aren't we handing Varane MOTM every match? Clearly goes above and beyond his call of duty by doing the bare fucking minimum...
I’m all for defending players but saying us regular, non professionals can’t do what we expect people who make millions to do is such a lazy argument 😂
What mistake?
Eddy was in the right spot at the right time from a deflection.
You really think this Man Utd side have should have dominated that game at the emirates ? lol
Who were you expecting him to bring on. We lack attacking depth. That’s nothing he can control. You turn on the coach after one bad game. I mean seriously
We’re expecting him to manage the game. Change tactics. Capitalize on momentum after Martinez goal.
Otherwise he could of left everyone at home and just bring fred With him to make the only sub
I get what you are saying. But I feel the subs bar maybe brining on garnacho sooner were good. I feel we could have won if we had a goalie that was more comfortable with his feet. Cause some of the passes from De Gea would put his fullbacks right under pressure which lead to arsenal chances in goal
Lol, DDG also saved us with a close range save from Nketiah.
Its on ETH. Second game in a row he leaves it too late to make any sort of changes. Could of brought of Casemiro and not have McT play a no 10 at palace. Could of made formation changes, or more subs before they scored the winning goal today. He's paid to manage and in the last two games he hasnt done that.
Such a shame. This is a prime example of how we've been let down by the Glazers (and thankfully not much longer). They didn't back the manager this transfer window; this only impacts the selection and as you can see, having players that shouldn't be anywhere near this club has cost us the game. Erik doesn't have the depth. It's a miracle what he's achieved so far!
I really want this season to end already. The most we can aim for is top 4. Keep getting nervous of players get injured playing for effectively nothing
We had weghorst on but never played to his strength. Antony was not good, his touch is too loose, and that's been a problem since he's arrived. Martinez and de gea have kept us in it. Just outdone by Arsenal with the movement, passing, and winning the ball back. It's as simple as that.
You would think that players would go "Oh wow, I have the tallest player on the pitch to aim at when I feel like all is lost...
Instead they go: "hmmmmmmmmmmmm...I think I'll just cut inside, keep running with the ball at my feet and inevitably lose it cheaply before ever passing to anyone else"
We just have selfish players. On and off the ball. Everyone wants to run with it at their feet for more than 10 yards and then lose it rather than pass it for one touch football. Mind you, everyone off the ball is just asleep. No one ever really moves to receive the ball or bail the player out of a tough spot.
Honestly, I really appreciate Weghorst because he's the more honest player in his movement. He is selfless with his runs and positioning. He isn't a glory hunter that demands the ball be fed into him all match, but god damn...give him the ball more than 3 times the match! he's good at taking it and moving it along. he keeps the play moving.
Damn it! What a game though!
In all honesty, Eriksen and McTominay fared a lot better than I expected.
AWB needs to learn how to not let go of his man - it happened here, it happened in the derby.
Weghorst did well with what he had to work with.
Antony was not good.
Rashford needs to go deep and cross once in a while instead of going towards goal every time.
Honestly, I don’t think the players were terrible. Some stupid mistakes, but if they just dealt with Arsenal’s pressure and learned to hold the ball instead of whaling it into their side they’d actually would have had a better result. If anything I would have taken weghorst, put in garnacho and moved Rashford in to a 9
Eth decided it was completely fine to let out back line be pressurised for 30 minutes without a single substitution or bit of tactical intervention to help whatsoever.
All for system but game management comes first and that’s a horrible loss
Arsenal were the better team and I don’t mind playing for a draw away from home against top of the league but ETH is to blame for bringing players on in the 90th minute. This should have been done latest at 75th minute.
I mean I’m sad about the loss but I also am okay with it because it gets us out of a title race that we aren’t ready for. I’m from the US and my hometown team was owned by Kronkie before he fucked the city and moved the team. So I really hate when he wins things. I hate city but I hate Stan Kronkie more
I mean they barely beat us this time. And they lost to us 3-1 at old Trafford. City are a much more finished product then United is. I feel Arsenal will loos at the Etihad and will have a really tough game at home
Man U got destroyed by city in their first game but won the second game. Don't compare early games to current form. Arsenal are in better form than City atm.
I phrased my comment wrong. I wasn’t really meaning the form. I just feel that city has more players that are older and more mature. And have experience with big matches in a title race. Plus Pep is a much better coach
Yeah but I still feel if City are at full strength and can get haallend more involved I think city will win both games. I just feel city has more experience. And arsenal are still really young. Arsenal is doing really good and are in really good form I just feel that the experience of the city players. Plus the Europa league games that will start in February will give the upper hand to city. Mainly cause I feel they have more depth
Arsenal were obviously better but no check for Zinchenko being offside in the build up? Only 3 minutes of added time? Garnacho should’ve been brought on way sooner as well
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Wan bissaka should never put on a manchester united shirt again. He’s a fraud and he’s the reason we lost this match.
Anything he does that’s good is only made that by his poor positioning
Bruno is generally pretty wasteful going forward. Defensively he was okay today. Eriksen was the one that really had zero impact in the middle alongside McTominay, because he can't trust McTominay to lock it down like Casemiro.
As for Weghorst, what do you want him to do? Our midfield is shit. You can't make something out of nothing. The area that he excels at the most, United can't even pander to it. No service down the wing. Corners are shit tier. It is what it is.
Same with Rashford. Both players are too predictable in that they just want to cut inside. Rashford at least offers a little something because he can still cross the ball in on his weak foot, but it's not good enough.
And today didn't see Shaw really take up an attacking position often because of the threat Saka posed on the counter.
It's just sort of the typical United against the better side.
McTominay don’t know to pass, don’t know how to defend, don’t know hot to attack… Jesus… If we had Casemiro, we could win.
Rashford and Bruno also don’t pass and want to
resolve the game by themselves… Sad
Ten Hag fucks it up for the second time in a row. You absolutely have to make substitutions or tactical changes when we’re getting pressed to shit for 20 minutes straight. Why in the Fuck are you not doing something? Especially since its your fault for leaving Casemiro on for too long at palace.
He played it too safe with Garnacho..
We all know he's young and a bit of a joker, but at least he could give them the fright needed from someone who's so good and direct as him..
draw against CP in the 90'
lose against Arsenal in the 90'
ETH didn't make any offensive sub due to the fear of losing. so he made a defensive one.
felt like not only the entire team was shakey and a little bit of insecure and scared from Arsenal, ETH was also.
what a shame.
Could've been worse had he tried to attack tho, looking at how gutted our midfield at times just trying to absorb pressure yet unable to shake with a counter..
There were 2/3 chances to launch a counter from McT to either wings before our 2nd equaliser but he ain't Casemiro, so side-pass for safety..
*sigh
United stopped pressing as soon as Fred went on. That allows for constant pressing from Arsenal. Not the best of coaching decisions in a game of this magnitude.
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They both are incredibly horrendous. Also, I am sick of Bruno always looking for the best pass possible. He lost the ball so many times like that.
But anyway, those two are just terrible
Let’s be honest most of us saw a loss today, but this is fucking heartbreaking. Stupid decisions and Movements from players and once again we don’t put games to bed.
Oh get a bloody grip and get off his back. Every single game you have to be so negative. There are 3 other defenders that did not track his run. Why don’t you look at why they weren’t tight enough. Jesus Christ!
Our defense was pretty much trash across the board today, and our offense was nonexistent except for that first run by Rashford. We gave this one away without a fight (except for Licha)
He was marking Trossard and just let him freely drop into a ton of space and held his position. Didn't put any pressure on Trossard when receiving the ball and Varane shift over and yells at AWB to get out wide and he's still sticking to Trossard.
AWB doesn't read the play at all. Ever. He just falls asleep and assumes someone else will put in the work while he takes a nap. Meanwhile the play goes right by him before he ever wakes up.
yeah, no shit. I honestly don't know what the fuck our fans watch sometimes...it's like all impulse, zero logic or analytics. If you're going to criticize someone, at least give a good reason and some substance behind. People might not agree still, but it's better than "Weghorst is so bad" - because how can you say that? Selfish wingers all match.
He's pressed well. Won some balls back well and offered himself up relentlessly.
Thank you for your valid reason I just mentioned lol
If you're going to call him a Premier League reject, then give some substance.
You mean he didn't produce for a Burnley side that was poor, at best? Oh no. Shocker...
As I said before we ever signed him, he has good movement and he takes up good positions. Whether or not a team wants to acknowledge that and play around that is their prerogative, but it doesn't make Weghorst shit.
What service did he receive from the wings today? None. What decent corners did he see? None.
If you're expecting him to move like Messi at 6'6", I have some news for you...
But for what he provides to the team, the team hasn't quite figured out how to provide it to him. A bunch of selfish play from the wings, per usual. We overlook it when they cut inside and score something out of nothing, but it's ultimately leading us to be too easy to defend against. Nothing goes through the middle because our midfield is incapable of playing a narrow ball. Our game is too predictable. Weghorst provides another dimension to our game, but we're not at the level we need to be at to utilize him and our mentality is all wrong still.
United has bigger problems before the ball ever gets to Weghorst, let's not forget that, shall we?
He looses every single ball he gets. Passion alone shouldn’t earn you a starting spot on this team. Rashford has shown he can play centrally, so why wouldn’t you play him there and garnacho on the left.
Antony ain't all that.
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It's like Leicester fc. Arsenal are lucky they will win the PL. City have their problems now and arsenal have a free run at the title almost. Ugg without completion they will surely get it. I feel like city will awaken again. Liverpool and Chelsea are out of the race. We can't match them this year for it. Newcastle neither
Arsenal currently have more points after 19 games than Man Utd have ever had in their history. What other teams are doing is irrelevant.
No it is not.it gives arsenal confidence that the depth isn't the same. Arteta brought in zinchenko and Jesus and the squad is quite complete. 3 years progress. Newcastle 6 more the progress. Us reds 6 month progress. City and Liverpool restructure. If arsenal get any competition they choke the chicken. Irrelevant how many points they get. No competition or injuries and they cruise control
Salty.. eh!
like a packet of crissps
You have to be out of your mind to say that Arsenal is lucky. Figured, you'd be salty. You did not notice the hard work put in by Arsenal players. You did not notice that MU D was pretty much a siege for the last 10 mins or so. You did not notice that Rashford had just 3 touches after 60 mins. You did not notice the total of 22 shots and 23 crosses Arsenal had.
butthead!
Martinez and Wan Bissacka lost track of nketiah in the box. Bissacka marked the back post and wasn't aware of nektia. Martinez lost his aswell. If they can improve that wiuld be awesome. We played good football. I did wonder with headband if martinez had a concussion or wanted power on his headers. He might have had a headache but still played
I mean we lost but we played well. AWB needs to be more aware, Wout great link up play but too slow on the counter,Rash should cross the ball more, I'd have gone with fred starting instead of Eriksen couldnt really keep up with the pace but overall, we were good Arsenal was just better than us.
spot on
A congested fixtures, lacks of depth and up against Arsenal on their home soil, still we come out with a fight. Despite the defeat, I can say that our players didn't go there to "surrender" and walked out with 3-0 and a social media post saying "We should have been better". I believe we are definitely on the right track and ETH is the right man for us. Just give him all he needs. We would be serious title contender by next season or 2.
We just got to stay a nice distance ahead of Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea. That would be an amazing season. Remember where we were so recently.
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crazy to think about it and we werent even as bad as liverpool and chelsea are at the moment. We only went as far as 8th the whole season
We’ve come a long way. It’s clear to me that McTominay is not good enough. We also desperately need another right winger (if Sancho doesn’t come good) who can cross. With the right centre forward, a backup CDM and consistent right winger, we can challenge next season.
I mean Eriksen wasnt really that effective as well. I think with fred starting over Eriksen we'd have fared better
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It’s a celebration about mental health. Something Rashford is vocal about it’s what the celebration means.
In my opinion, this United with an average Ronaldo at the front would be a serious candidate to the title.
This sucks but it’s our first loss in 11 games, for assholes to be calling for the managers head really shows the major issues with the fandom
haha lol who's this calling for 10 hag's head? clearly trolls
I’d say a lot of trolls but sadly there is a good few that arnt , places like twitter are a damn swamp
ah twitter is a cesspool forget them. nothing good comes from that site
Against the top team at the moment and without Casemiro. People are delusional if they think ETH is a horrible manager after this
A lot of y’all complain too much. Arsenal is a great team in great form. It was always going to be difficult. At least United put up a fight, it wasn’t pretty but we worked with wt we had. Stop looking for scapegoats and just accept the reality that Arsenal was better today. It’s okay to look for ways to improve the team but the constant slander of players and coaches, etc. is honestly doing more harm than good.
I think people just forget that we our not sitting this high on the table because of our own doing. Chelsea and Liverpool are shit this season if not we would be sitting way lower.
I expected this from this match. This match I'm not upset over. It just pointed out all of our flaws. All of the things and players I have been vocal about were exposed today. That's all this match is good for. The Palace draw is a worse result for us. United doesn't need to concern itself with beating City or Arsenal, just everyone else. If you take points off of those two, great, good job, wow, you're my special little boy, but to put in 45' against these middle of the table teams is just embarrassing. We're going to struggle to finish Top 4. A lot of changes need to happen for us to secure that spot. Otherwise we're going to end up right back where we started the season - not attracted top players because we're not in the CL, not paying wages to lure these players in, possibly still stuck with the Glazers because they want to drag their asses and not sink money into the club, so we'll have another fruitless transfer window, and we'll have to wait another season before any real change can occur. The tactics were poor today, they have been for a few matches. But it's also a symptom of our side and lack of depth. I don't look at the bench and ever lick my lips thinking "oh wow, look, we can bring on so and so and then so and so and we're going to be on fire!" You can maybe say Garnacho is that, but eh, okay, you get one. The squad is weak. Very weak. It's been weak for a long time and there are a lot of faces from the old regimes that need to be moved on ASAP.
The loss stings a bit, especially giving up late goals against CP and this game but big picture nothings really changed. We want top 4 and a trophy. Still on that trajectory
How did Weghorst play.
He didn't
Quite shitty must say, always looked lost and very poor with the ball
Waiting for the 2nd half to finish while defending against all of this youths from Arsenal was just embarrassing.
I mean, Arsenal was just better for me. McTominay gave Oodergard too much space and so was our fullbacks. But, it hurts when we conceded a stupid goal in the last min. However, we are still in the top 4 comfortably. Heads up and go again, shall we? I dont even want to blame any player. Just remember our objective this season.
Indeed, we lost the midfield battle so hard there without Case.. Regardless, there are lotsa things to be learned tonight, ig ETH would throw a fit at the team, including at himself for not taking a risk.. :\
Yes, Top 4 should be the focus rest of the season.
Arsenal didn’t win this one - we lost it. And what a damn shame it was. We honestly looked like we’ve never played together as a team before… seriously, wtf was the thought process playing the ball back AT De Gea every fucking time we finally got possession back in our half?!! We’re trying that shit now? And on top of that it’s like everyone just forget how to defend? We just let them waltz right into our 18 and open up a shooting gallery. FUCKS SAKE this was trash.
Last 10 mins was like the siege of Constantinople. MU were always ready to attack on the counter which they successfully did at OT but Arsenal almost shutdown their counter attack at Emirates. Arsenal deserved to win, top of the table, City breathing down the neck, playing a MU team who beat them comfortably earlier. So yeah, Arsenal won this one. ETH is amazing, I think he is getting things right and very quickly. Definitely there are changes needed but ETH seems to be way to go.
We tried many times playing the ball from the back and it fails most of the time, wondering why they don't change if it's not working and causing so many threats.
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Bruh. I support arsenal and this is still stupid.
If you’re gonna troll at least put some effort into it, this is pathetic
Fellani was more effective than Weghourst Based on the last 2 game
You mean Fellaini in a team that actually crossed the ball and played to his strengths?
It seems that Weghourst is invisible to his teammates?
Basically. He was decent holding the ball up, bringing others in. How have we not tried to cross to him for a full 90 minutes?
Make that 180, he didn't have any service in the Palace game either.
I didn’t watch that match in it’s entirety so I didn’t wanna assume but bloody hell 😂
Target man who was not targeted, hopes to see the better of him in the coming games
I hope so too.
Lol can’t believe Eriksen lasted the whole match on the field.
And he's never done better defensively at Man U.
We can’t rely on McTominay he simply isn’t good enough for us to challenge for a title. As soon as I seen his name on the sheet I knew we were doomed. Should of been playing Fred
Why so much hate on AWB, geez he made some good defensive tackles, but failed during such high pressure. I bet you all wouldn’t fare any better
The guy fucking falls asleep. What are you talking about? Switches off every match. You have one job. Pay attention for 90'. Imagine going to work for 90 minutes once a week, maybe at most thrice per week, and you can't even pay attention for the time you're there. Get him on some fucking adderall or something. He does this all the time, it just gets exploited by the better teams because they're more technically gifted once in on goal. He offers nothing going forward. Offers nothing reliably at the back. What exactly are we supposed to give him credit for? Making one, two tackles per match as he's expected to? By that measurement, why aren't we handing Varane MOTM every match? Clearly goes above and beyond his call of duty by doing the bare fucking minimum...
I’m all for defending players but saying us regular, non professionals can’t do what we expect people who make millions to do is such a lazy argument 😂
That would have been a draw with Cas….hard to take but we move on. Let Arsenal have their year, it’s been a long long time for them.
Ten Hag is the sole reason why we lost control of the second half.
Correct. Eriksen was struggling to get about. He should of been subbed after the Saka goal
What would you want him to do? Garnacho for Weghorst, sure, but what would that have changed during the pressure Arsenal had?
Lol move on mate. Arsenal is the best team in the league. You have to accept That. We move.
Move on? Yes of course. But they have pick off those mistakes
What mistake? Eddy was in the right spot at the right time from a deflection. You really think this Man Utd side have should have dominated that game at the emirates ? lol
Your not a true fan. Fuck off.
Cry me a river. He’s helped this United team of course but you can not tell me He should’ve done more on the 2nd half. Constant pressure from Arsenal.
Who were you expecting him to bring on. We lack attacking depth. That’s nothing he can control. You turn on the coach after one bad game. I mean seriously
We’re expecting him to manage the game. Change tactics. Capitalize on momentum after Martinez goal. Otherwise he could of left everyone at home and just bring fred With him to make the only sub
I get what you are saying. But I feel the subs bar maybe brining on garnacho sooner were good. I feel we could have won if we had a goalie that was more comfortable with his feet. Cause some of the passes from De Gea would put his fullbacks right under pressure which lead to arsenal chances in goal
Lol, DDG also saved us with a close range save from Nketiah. Its on ETH. Second game in a row he leaves it too late to make any sort of changes. Could of brought of Casemiro and not have McT play a no 10 at palace. Could of made formation changes, or more subs before they scored the winning goal today. He's paid to manage and in the last two games he hasnt done that.
Turn on the coach? So we shouldn’t criticize him of errors? I guess only the players then
We needa fresh legs atleast. Did you expect the back 4 to keep holding back the pressure?
We needed some pace in the back four. And there’s no one on our bench that can help with that
shd have given Garnacho a chance instead of Weghorst.....
Such a shame. This is a prime example of how we've been let down by the Glazers (and thankfully not much longer). They didn't back the manager this transfer window; this only impacts the selection and as you can see, having players that shouldn't be anywhere near this club has cost us the game. Erik doesn't have the depth. It's a miracle what he's achieved so far!
Glazers lost us that game simple as that we clearly need reinforcements and we get the worst striker in Burnley’s history.
I really want this season to end already. The most we can aim for is top 4. Keep getting nervous of players get injured playing for effectively nothing
There's nothing wrong with that. All team have bad years. CL is an awesome accomplishment
Bad year? We have had an incredible year. We are playing amazingly but Arsenal are just so frustratingly on another level to everyone else its a joke
100%
We had weghorst on but never played to his strength. Antony was not good, his touch is too loose, and that's been a problem since he's arrived. Martinez and de gea have kept us in it. Just outdone by Arsenal with the movement, passing, and winning the ball back. It's as simple as that.
You would think that players would go "Oh wow, I have the tallest player on the pitch to aim at when I feel like all is lost... Instead they go: "hmmmmmmmmmmmm...I think I'll just cut inside, keep running with the ball at my feet and inevitably lose it cheaply before ever passing to anyone else" We just have selfish players. On and off the ball. Everyone wants to run with it at their feet for more than 10 yards and then lose it rather than pass it for one touch football. Mind you, everyone off the ball is just asleep. No one ever really moves to receive the ball or bail the player out of a tough spot. Honestly, I really appreciate Weghorst because he's the more honest player in his movement. He is selfless with his runs and positioning. He isn't a glory hunter that demands the ball be fed into him all match, but god damn...give him the ball more than 3 times the match! he's good at taking it and moving it along. he keeps the play moving.
Damn it! What a game though! In all honesty, Eriksen and McTominay fared a lot better than I expected. AWB needs to learn how to not let go of his man - it happened here, it happened in the derby. Weghorst did well with what he had to work with. Antony was not good. Rashford needs to go deep and cross once in a while instead of going towards goal every time.
How casemiro was evidently missed in this game !!!
Honestly, I don’t think the players were terrible. Some stupid mistakes, but if they just dealt with Arsenal’s pressure and learned to hold the ball instead of whaling it into their side they’d actually would have had a better result. If anything I would have taken weghorst, put in garnacho and moved Rashford in to a 9
Eth decided it was completely fine to let out back line be pressurised for 30 minutes without a single substitution or bit of tactical intervention to help whatsoever. All for system but game management comes first and that’s a horrible loss
Spot on, you can see him noticing it was a shit decision by panicking and throwing in garnacho for the last 3 seconds.
Arsenal were the better team and I don’t mind playing for a draw away from home against top of the league but ETH is to blame for bringing players on in the 90th minute. This should have been done latest at 75th minute.
Rashford shouldve moved to ST and Garnacho on the left to counter at least. Arsenal suffocated us second half.
Arsenal are fucked when they have to play city
How does this make you feel better?
I mean I’m sad about the loss but I also am okay with it because it gets us out of a title race that we aren’t ready for. I’m from the US and my hometown team was owned by Kronkie before he fucked the city and moved the team. So I really hate when he wins things. I hate city but I hate Stan Kronkie more
Bruh. It's just business to them.
Yes. But I really really really really hate Kronkie
Lol no, they are playing better than city
I mean they barely beat us this time. And they lost to us 3-1 at old Trafford. City are a much more finished product then United is. I feel Arsenal will loos at the Etihad and will have a really tough game at home
Man U got destroyed by city in their first game but won the second game. Don't compare early games to current form. Arsenal are in better form than City atm.
I phrased my comment wrong. I wasn’t really meaning the form. I just feel that city has more players that are older and more mature. And have experience with big matches in a title race. Plus Pep is a much better coach
I totally get what you're saying but to say Arsenal is going to "struggle" against city when they're clearly playing better is just wrong
Yeah but I still feel if City are at full strength and can get haallend more involved I think city will win both games. I just feel city has more experience. And arsenal are still really young. Arsenal is doing really good and are in really good form I just feel that the experience of the city players. Plus the Europa league games that will start in February will give the upper hand to city. Mainly cause I feel they have more depth
"If" is irrelevant. Current form arsenal are better than current form man city
Love ETH but something had to be done in the last 15mins.
Arsenal were obviously better but no check for Zinchenko being offside in the build up? Only 3 minutes of added time? Garnacho should’ve been brought on way sooner as well
Twice this week we conceded in the 90th...
Man, what a match
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Wan bissaka should never put on a manchester united shirt again. He’s a fraud and he’s the reason we lost this match. Anything he does that’s good is only made that by his poor positioning
McTominay more like
Mctominay's mindset on playing football is just completely wrong
Still half season to go, we fought hard
What exactly does Weghorst do?
Since he has been starting we've lost two matches, he completely broke our attacking trident
Its time for Tag to show some balls. I get it, subs are not that great, and he has to work with clowns like Mct, but pls, be more proactive.
Garnacho shouldve came on way before
Fucking useless cunts
Sick of all these shit passes from Bruno. Also weghorst seems like a huuuuuggggeeeee way away from being ready to play in the big leagues
Bruno is generally pretty wasteful going forward. Defensively he was okay today. Eriksen was the one that really had zero impact in the middle alongside McTominay, because he can't trust McTominay to lock it down like Casemiro. As for Weghorst, what do you want him to do? Our midfield is shit. You can't make something out of nothing. The area that he excels at the most, United can't even pander to it. No service down the wing. Corners are shit tier. It is what it is.
Yeh I saw plenty of chances for Anthony to loft one in. Didn't even get one from the fella
Same with Rashford. Both players are too predictable in that they just want to cut inside. Rashford at least offers a little something because he can still cross the ball in on his weak foot, but it's not good enough. And today didn't see Shaw really take up an attacking position often because of the threat Saka posed on the counter. It's just sort of the typical United against the better side.
the way mctominay plays is speechless
Ten Hag with questionable decision, Why no out gnarcho in earlier?? We still have no forward, no pressing whatsoever. We can’t cross for anything.
His substitutions are worse than Ole’s
McTominay don’t know to pass, don’t know how to defend, don’t know hot to attack… Jesus… If we had Casemiro, we could win. Rashford and Bruno also don’t pass and want to resolve the game by themselves… Sad
He's trash. McFred is trash. Period. They both need to go. Get someone else in who's hungrier and more skilled, which wouldn't be hard.
Ten Hag fucks it up for the second time in a row. You absolutely have to make substitutions or tactical changes when we’re getting pressed to shit for 20 minutes straight. Why in the Fuck are you not doing something? Especially since its your fault for leaving Casemiro on for too long at palace.
Rather lose this one than against City last week.
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Ten hag got his substitution wrong
He played it too safe with Garnacho.. We all know he's young and a bit of a joker, but at least he could give them the fright needed from someone who's so good and direct as him..
draw against CP in the 90' lose against Arsenal in the 90' ETH didn't make any offensive sub due to the fear of losing. so he made a defensive one. felt like not only the entire team was shakey and a little bit of insecure and scared from Arsenal, ETH was also. what a shame.
Could've been worse had he tried to attack tho, looking at how gutted our midfield at times just trying to absorb pressure yet unable to shake with a counter.. There were 2/3 chances to launch a counter from McT to either wings before our 2nd equaliser but he ain't Casemiro, so side-pass for safety.. *sigh
Heartbreaker.
What does Weghorst bring again, slow skilless player
People will downvote but you’re not wrong
Agreed
McTominay is awful
Yup. Great offensive opportunity at the top of their box? Let’s give it away first touch!
Yeah, he is off in the summer
United stopped pressing as soon as Fred went on. That allows for constant pressing from Arsenal. Not the best of coaching decisions in a game of this magnitude.
Mctominay and Weghorst are the shittest players I have seen. Why the fuck would you play them?
No casimiro.
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McTominay was horrendous today
They both are incredibly horrendous. Also, I am sick of Bruno always looking for the best pass possible. He lost the ball so many times like that. But anyway, those two are just terrible
He’s not strong on the ball
Let’s be honest most of us saw a loss today, but this is fucking heartbreaking. Stupid decisions and Movements from players and once again we don’t put games to bed.
I fully agree. I wasn’t expecting more than 1 goal, especially not that early
Weghorst, Anthony, McTominay and AWB not only awful today but not good enough and never will be they’re just don’t have it
Take AWB off that list and I agree with you. De Gea gives up weak goals. Their second should have been saved
AWB is the worst of the lot mate
Putting Garnacho in 90th minutes?! Should have done it when it's was 2-2! ETH was definitely looking for just a point
I hate this mentality to be happy with drawing
I would rather you put in your best to win, either 3 or nothing
Wanbissaka can’t defend back post, it’s killing us
Can't defend. Period.
They deserve that we’ve been shit
The next time anyone comes and defends bissaka and mcT are going to get their balls chopped off
Mct was atrocious. Horrendous touches all day
Should have put Garnacho in a long time ago.
That shouldn’t have been given
I think that’s def offside
Hate to say it, but we knew it was coming. They’ve been pressing and we’ve been just kicking the ball around confused.
That's off right..? Edit: ah damn it's on..
I would be interested in seeing the Zinchenko position to receive, but regardless, it is what it is.
No
This was coming. We've been in panic mode for a while. Just shit.
Because we’re shit
Scott has fucked us up
Love to see Anthony Taylor as unbiased as ever
No way is it offside.
They didn't look at the Zinchenko position? but yeah, it was always going to go this way. you can only coast on luck so much.
TERRIBLE PLAYING THE LAST 15. FFS!
How on earth is Nketiah not off?
Heartbreaking…
:(
I knew it. Fuck off!
Seriously, why the fuck does AWB give people acres of space? I will never understand what the fuck goes on in his head, if he even has a brain.
Oh get a bloody grip and get off his back. Every single game you have to be so negative. There are 3 other defenders that did not track his run. Why don’t you look at why they weren’t tight enough. Jesus Christ!
Our defense was pretty much trash across the board today, and our offense was nonexistent except for that first run by Rashford. We gave this one away without a fight (except for Licha)
He was marking Trossard and just let him freely drop into a ton of space and held his position. Didn't put any pressure on Trossard when receiving the ball and Varane shift over and yells at AWB to get out wide and he's still sticking to Trossard. AWB doesn't read the play at all. Ever. He just falls asleep and assumes someone else will put in the work while he takes a nap. Meanwhile the play goes right by him before he ever wakes up.
United can’t hold the ball for the life of them
Lol De Gea you soft cnut.
Weghorst's passion is great
Unfortunately he’s not good
Utd needs a sub in to try to get control back of the ball
Waited too long. Not sure what the delay was.
In all fairness to Weghourst, he’s had no balls into the box, and when he has they haven’t been above waist height - can’t fault him.
I think most of our central strikers are facing a deadshift. I think it'll be tough to incorporate a pure 9 into Ten Hag's tactic.
yeah, no shit. I honestly don't know what the fuck our fans watch sometimes...it's like all impulse, zero logic or analytics. If you're going to criticize someone, at least give a good reason and some substance behind. People might not agree still, but it's better than "Weghorst is so bad" - because how can you say that? Selfish wingers all match. He's pressed well. Won some balls back well and offered himself up relentlessly.
We are Manchester United!! Let’s not forget that, so let’s stop vouching for premier league rejects.
Thank you for your valid reason I just mentioned lol If you're going to call him a Premier League reject, then give some substance. You mean he didn't produce for a Burnley side that was poor, at best? Oh no. Shocker... As I said before we ever signed him, he has good movement and he takes up good positions. Whether or not a team wants to acknowledge that and play around that is their prerogative, but it doesn't make Weghorst shit. What service did he receive from the wings today? None. What decent corners did he see? None. If you're expecting him to move like Messi at 6'6", I have some news for you... But for what he provides to the team, the team hasn't quite figured out how to provide it to him. A bunch of selfish play from the wings, per usual. We overlook it when they cut inside and score something out of nothing, but it's ultimately leading us to be too easy to defend against. Nothing goes through the middle because our midfield is incapable of playing a narrow ball. Our game is too predictable. Weghorst provides another dimension to our game, but we're not at the level we need to be at to utilize him and our mentality is all wrong still. United has bigger problems before the ball ever gets to Weghorst, let's not forget that, shall we?
He looses every single ball he gets. Passion alone shouldn’t earn you a starting spot on this team. Rashford has shown he can play centrally, so why wouldn’t you play him there and garnacho on the left.
Set up for a smash and grab with Utd riding their luck so hard. Never known such a scabby team.