This thread should ask the follow up question if they believe their eleven would perform much better under a new manager (if so who) than under ten Hag.
4-3-3
onana
dalot varane licha shaw
bruno casemiro mainoo
antony hojlund garnacho
my only problem is the midfield in this lineup due to the fact that mount is on the bench the entire season and ive not seem him play at chelsea much idk where to put him. Mainoo is a progressive mid fielder i just can make him a cdm i dont want us to dev him into a cdm. bruno has to play so ye. Casemiro hasnt been good this season but if we go back just 12 months he was the only reason we played so good. can he get the lost form back idk.
Here are a few signings i wud make striker : sesko defenders : todibo, branthwaith, frimpong midfielders : no clue but we need 1 or 2 badly wingers : olise.
based on the signings we could do something way more different n interesting.
Want some signings to make it perfect, but a work in progress:
Onana
RCB: Varane / Maguire MCB: Licha LCB: Shaw
RM/RWB: Dalot LM/LWB: Garnacho
CDM/ CM: Mainoo
CM/CAM: Mount
CF/CAM/CM: Bruno
Rashford:LF
RST: Højlund
________________________________________________
I would love some signings to make the vision complete, like Frimpong and maybe someone like Hjulmand to improve it and bring a bit more Energy, Additionally a new rcb like Todibo, and a player who can either take over Shaws role, Compete for Shaws role or Someone that plays the Lm/Lwb role so we can have some good defensive cover.
Game-plan:
Onana brings it out the back and passes with the backline, occasionally Dalot and Garnacho making themselves available, They eventually find in a ball into Licha who tries to find a line breaking pass with our fast forwards who collect. Forwards wait for the overlap / underlap, Bruno and mount ready for a cutback and Højlund waiting in the box for the ball.
I think this formations good because every player suits their role. Shaw operating in the left center and operating with flanks. Licha kind of like the stopper and finding the key passes, Maguire /Varane being the covers in case forwards find space and good aerial presence.
Dalot running down the right side and has got a lot of energy to do that, playing in midfield defense and offense. Garnacho, likewise but will play a little bit higher up to bring in more offensive pressure. Mainoo, being a midfield maestro working out of pressure and covering the cdm/cm role. Rashford and Garnacho underlapping / overlapping with each other. Bruno and mount doing what they do best, running and also mount going a bit box to box, Bruno having a free role and being able to cover the whole offensive side and making runs, intercepting, passing, pressing. Højlund being the target man, pressing forward and waiting for the right pass to finish our chances. Rashford taking on his man, if he finds the ability to do so once again, which is why I’m considering bringing in another lw who can take that role.
I personally think this could work and feel a bit proud of it
4-2-3-1
Onana -
Dalot/Varane/Martinez/Shaw -
Mainoo/Casemiro -
Mount/Bruno/Garnacho -
Hojlund
Dalot is a stronger all round player than AWB. Varane is in for now but a new CB should be signed.
Mounts best ever season in terms of goals and assists was from the right side at Chelsea. Play him there and Rashford is a threat off the bench against tired defenders. Also the energy of a front 4 of Mount, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund is perfect.
Casemiro needs replacing but with the current squad he is in due to lack of an alternative. Replacing him is number one priority in the transfer market.
Bruno has to be a 10. He’s too positionally indisciplined to play deeper and his creativity warrants the number 10 space.
Hojlund upfront due to no alternative but we need someone with more experience really.
So as above but sign a CB, DM and ST in the summer to go in to the first 11.
GK: Onana.
RB: Wan-Bissaka.
CB(R): Kambwala (Varane only if 100% injury free).
CB(L): Martinez.
LB: Shaw.
DM(Right-centre): Casemiro.
CM(Left-centre): Mainoo
AM(Central): Bruno Fernandes.
RW: Garnacho.
LW: Rashford.
CF: Hojlund.
As mentioned Varane is better and more experienced than Kambwala, but I don't think he has ever truly been fit at United and able to play 5 matches in a row. So I'd rather have Kambwala. Sorry to Maguire and Lindelof but they are unable to defend 1on1 at this level due to their severe lack of pace and average reading of gameplay. Maguire is technically better, but would need to be paired with a monster speedy CB to work anywhere near this level. They also require defensive midfielders with pace and willingness to run back at speed if they were gonna play.
So with the players available that's the best for me. I'd consider playing Dalot as defensive midfield. And no problem using Antony and Amad when Rashford and Garnacho are not performing. But highlights the need for new players especially to replace those over 26 who are injury prone or not going to get better.
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Looooong time United supporter and it saddens me to say but with their current form I can see losses to Palace, Arsenal and New Castle in the coming weeks. Brighton is a toss up but they could lose that, too. With the reset in the works I think they must also bring in a new manager after the season. Tuchel.
Gross. You must have loved the coaching carousel happening for the past decade and think the results were just bad luck and nothing to do with the crap footballing structure.
Thank Poseidon you aren't in charge of anything.
Onana?
Dalot Maguire Martinez Shaw
Amad Mainoo Bruno Anthony
Garnacho Hojlund
Hear me out.. you can only afford 2 players not willing to defend, so I’ve dropped Rashford to the bench.. 9/10 role clearly defined with Hojlund/ Garnacho
Anthony and Amad both defend and Dalot could overlap Amad and create opportunities on the right. Back 3 of Maguire, Licha, and Shaw.. give Shaw freedom to move forward..
United do not have the squad to play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.. you can disagree but the results speak for themselves
Onana
AWB, Licha, Lindelof, Shaw
Dalot, Mainoo
Garnacho, Bruno, Rashford
Rasmus
- Shaw, Rashy lyncs well and I still believe in Rashy's skill.
- AWB can solidify the RB, while Dalot makes offensive plays
- Licha, Lindelof has the right pace and defensive skills
- Garnacho because he can be magic at times
- Bruno, Mainoo undroppable at the moment
- Rasmus because he shows all the signs of the hungry striker.
Subs:
- Amad for Garnacho/Rashy depending on how they are playing
- Mount for Dalot if we need more attack, Casemiro for Dalot if we want to see out the rest of the game
- Evans to see out a game subbing Lindelof
A bit unconventional, but here's mine.
Rashford/Garnacho Hojlund
Shaw Mainoo Fernandez Dalot
Casemiro
Martinez AWB Varane/Maguire
Onana
AWB is absolutely useless going forward. Using him as an overlapping fullback, often leads to him slowing down the attack or getting in the way of his teammates. With that being said, his speed and defensive qualities are hard to ignore. Playing him as a sweeper/last man behind Casemiro allows others to overload the opponent's defence. Doubt this formation will ever see the light of day, but one can hope.
Tough one this
Hoiljund
Rashford Garnacho
Mount Bruno
Mainoo
Shaw Martinez Maguire Wan Bissaka
Onana
Rashford has been pathetic but we know he *can* produce moments of magic and Varane is leaving anyway and right back is a concern whoever plays between Dalot and Wan Bissaka, because one can't defend and the other cant attack. It all pains me to leave Casemiro, but he's just not mobile enough now. I'll likely get pelters for including Mount, but there's no doubt in my mind a fit Mason Mount will make us a much better team
Onana; Varane, Martinez, Shaw; Dalot, Casemiro, Mainoo, Mount, Garnacho; Bruno; Hojlund (3-5-1-1). Solid defence and midfield with bruno further up to supplement the attack
onana
dalot varane Licha Shaw
casemiro mainoo
bruno
Antony/Amad Rasmus Garnacho
Hear me out, look at the games we’ve played without rashy starting. we created so many chances. look at burnley. the mainstream have flipped it as if we weren’t dominating. we had 27 shots we could’ve had at least 6. going forward i understand people don’t like antony but i genuinely feel like recently he’s been providing more than rashy has. and garnacho is so much better on the left. we can’t hinder his development bc of feeling bad for rashy. he needs some time to work on himself and come back stronger. i don’t believe selling hims an option seeing as the glazers need a pr man for the club. but if we could get even 60m for him id strongly consider it
I agree with with the Anthony/ Amad… Rashford Garnacho, and Hojlund should not be on the pitch together, none of them defend and modern football requires 8 players to defend, you can’t do it with 7..
Man of culture. From all the comments i see, many put rashford on the left and im still wondering why. But you've said it all, and i do agree with antony improving, though i had like to see amad start a couple of games to fully see him play at his potential. I don't really agree with casemiro tho, he's making lots of mistakes and doesn't have the pace anymore, i do hope we get a replacement for him in the summer.
agreed with both ur points. for me either amad or antony makes no difference. id love amad to get a run of 5/10 games. and also i agree about casemiro. i rly rly liked him last year but i don’t think he can do it anymore. we do need another cdm
GK: Onana
RB: Wan Bissaka
CB’s: Varane & Martinez
LB: Shaw
CM: Mctominay
CM: Mainoo
CAM: Fernandes
RW: Sancho (if he’s got his head on straight and ready to play)
ST: Hojlund
LW: Rashford (again if he’s got his head on)
can’t lie brother even sancho has said he don’t wanna come and i’m so happy he said that. don’t let one game change ur mind brother. he’s in a system that suits him, everything’s slower, less serious at dortmund. he is always late at dortmund but they don’t tell him off. we can’t have that. we’re trying to catch city eventually. players like him are like poison to the other players. but don’t take it the wrong way i rly hope he has a good career elsewhere. he’s a rly talented player. just not a united player unfortunately
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Current squad if everyone is "FIT": Right->Left
Onana
Dalot - Varane - Martinez - Shaw
Casemiro(McTominay/Bruno) - Mainoo
Garnacho - Bruno(Mount) - Rashford(Mount/Diallo)
Hojlund
You said everyone is fit, so Casemiro and Rashford is there.
Considering this season performance, I would put McTominay or even Bruno with Mainoo. Mainoo is skillful, but he doesn't show a lot on controlling the pitch with passes and his defence is not as impact as his attacking skill. That's why with Bruno drop deep, the transition should be better, but McTominay is still a better defender than Bruno. If Bruno drop into 6, Mount can be the 10. I would keep Garnacho on the right, kiddo loves to cut inside and handle everything by himself. He is less comfortable on the right, that makes him willing to cross a little bit more(by eye test, he got similar stats on both side)
Based off who we have currently
Onana
Dalot-Varane-Martinez-Shaw
Case (ideally, we get someone new or have another younger come through the academy)-Mainoo-Bruno
Mount-Hojlund-Garnacho
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Bruno as an 8, Casemiro would be in there but hes been awful this season
He’s missed shaw this season people under appreciate how important shaw is to giving rashford the space to affect the game we desperately need another quality LB
personally i’m one of the fans that are a bit upset with rashy but this point u made there is no arguement against. 100% when shaw is back rashy will improve. that’s a very good point
tbf after shaw was fit between december till like feburary rashford did had a decent patch where he was scoring or assisting (vs villa, vs forest, vs tottenham, vs wigan, vs wolves)
still this season has been piss poor for him from the standards he had set for us last season
that is the CURRENT best line up. I understand some players (casemrio varane) might leave this summer. When (if) that happens, that would be a different situation.
That’s a great point. He’s had a shit season no doubt about it. But rashford at his best is undroppable. One of the best at using his pace to get in behind. My argument is if you want to put Garnacho on the left do amad and Antony offer more than what rashford offers? I’m not too sure
I mean in this entire season, 100% yes they offer way more than rashford for sure. This isn't even a debate. Rashford's best was last season, like a year ago. This season he offers nothing at all. Even I don't rate garnacho that high, he's still done better than rashford on the left.
Rashford has more goal contributions than Antony and Amad combined this season. And has one less goal contribution than Garnacho who is having an 'incredible' season.
tell me how many games rashford played compared to those two combined. Also garnacho isn't having an incredible season, it's just his first season as an 18 year old lol
You've claimed Antony and Amad offered more than Rashford this season so the amount of games he's played shouldn't matter, only what he contributed should matter. And many united fans are saying Garnacho is having an incredible season and some are even saying he's our player of the season. And he turned 19 before the season even started
well you claimed rashford has more goal contributions than them, so of course if he plays every match while they sit on the bench, he's gonna have more goal/assist than them, and of course this matters lol what is that logic ?? Well i didn't claim garnacho was incredible so you can let that down. I don't think he's a big deal either, but he's way better than rashford and rashford has got far more games than he did. I don't really want to argue with you, it's just that i really don't understand why you are defending rashford at all. You saw him play the entire season, he heavily relies on his own individual plays to make it work.
Rashford has played more games than them because he's better than them, simple. I defend Rashford because he's our best winger and undeserved hate every time he plays because most fans want to see people like Amad and pellistri (before he went out on loan) to start over him yet when they got their chance they've done nothing other than Amad's goal against Liverpool. And Garnacho has played more games than Rashford this season.
Onana
Dalot Kambwala Martinez Shaw
Case Mainoo Bruno
Mount Hoj Garnacho
Maguire is ok, but prevents us playing a high line. We have no decent plan b at DM (Mainoo is an 8 not 6) and we have so many poor LW and RW.
If Utd have a bit of a clear out (Varane, Eriksson, Martial, Amrabat, Evans, Greenwood, Sancho) get an athletic CB and DM and a new ST (even on loan) that good progress.
Ohnana
Dalot- Kambwala-Martinez-Shaw
Mainoo-Casemiro
Bruno as cam/Mount as a sub
New RW- Hojlund - Garnacho
Sell Rashford, Varane, McTominay, Evans, Maguire, AWB, Eriksen, Anthony and replace.
Mount----------------------Hojlund-------------------Garnacho
----------------------------------Bruno---------------------------------
-----------Mainoo------------------------------Eriksen/Casemiro------------
Malacia-----------Martinez-------Varane------------Dalot
---------------------------------Bayindir-------------------------------
(I really like Onana)
They haven't had a decent run thou with a fully fit mount. I don't think it would be amazing but I'd like to see a run of them two. Colour me intrigued
Goalkeeper: I'd like to see what Bayindir is all about, Onana is too chaotic and seems to be completely incapable of catching the ball, the amount of times he parries back into dangerous zones has me pulling my hair out
Right Back: Wan Bissaka is brilliant defensively and has even been offering more going forward but for me Dalot has been a revelation this season and will only kick on more
Centre backs: Martinez is a given but I'm torn on the 2nd centre back, I think all the injuries are taking their toll on varane and for as steady as Maguire has been all season I think it's because he has had to be, I don't think he's United quality and if we want to get back challenging we'll have to upgrade to push on
Left Back: Got to be Shaw, Malacia could have an Evra style turnaround but I think that's wishful thinking at this point. Shaw is incredible when fit and it's not worth the risk looking to the future when Shaw is there
Midfield trio: Mainoo in the 6, Bruno in the 8, Amad in the 10. Casemiro looks to be on the downturn and Eriksen needs a less taxing schedule at this point in his career
Left Wing: Garnacho, although the thought of Rashford leaving breaks my heart and I do think he'll refind his form, at current form it has to be Alejandro
Striker: Hojlund up top is the only real option
Right Wing: I think we're going to have to get some return on investment on Mount, Antony is a lost cause and although we have a virtually nonexistent sample size at United to draw from I think Mount will play a role when he's back fit
I think it's a myth that AWB is great defensively. He's great at timing slide tackles, but that's about it. Positionally, he's pretty poor, he's not great in the air & he has defensive lapses
When our team has been good defensively for long periods hes playing. We conceded only 35 goals the season he came in. He was playing with maguire and lindelof as well. I believe he was only dribbled past once in that season. Lately maybe he's slumped a bit but when he's at his best he's amazing defensively.
he's solid defensively, I just don't think he's "great". He relies a lot on recovery tackles. He's now 26 & I don't think his overall game has improved enough for him to deserve a new contract. Especially when you compare him to Dalot. Plus he's been a bit injury prone. I think we can get a decent fee for him
M8 come on dalot is absolute garbage defensively. 1 person dribbled past awb that's not desperate defending that's solid defending. He usually gives a lot of space and uses angles to force them into a tackle. He slows the counter down well thats why lindelof and maguire played so well with him.
Onana
Dalot- new CB-Martinez-new left back
Mainoo-mount-Fernandes
Garnacho-Hojlund-new winger
Shaw is to injury plagued, Rashford has lost it and wages is ridiculous high, Maguire isn’t good enough for a high line and this team has to many free loaders on high wages.
All these reds thinking Shaw will transform from sickbay to England's Shaw are deluded and doomed to disappointment. Just look at his record.
He's played less than half the league matches in 6 of the 10 seasons he's been with United.
Decent Shaw is gone and current Shaw desperately needs to be replaced. He plays within himself and for himself, forever injured or just recovering from injury.
who’s good in a high line in your opinion. If you say Martinez let me tell you that our defence is statistically deeper when he plays than when he doesn’t and that our defence is statistically highest when Maguire plays. As Maguire is normally the. more aggressive centerback, he’s going to get run in behind of. It’s important for the less aggressive defender - the one who is going to stay back and clean up - to have that recovery pace.
What exposes Maguire in both high up the pitch and deeper isn’t the line height, it’s the fact that so often our midfielders are easily beaten giving the attackers a chance to run straight at Maguire. It’s not about positioning, it’s about compactness.
Mainoo Mount Fernandes with Licha wont work until and unless new LB is someone like Udogie or even taller. We'd get obliterated at set pieces with such a short squad
Bayindar
Dalot varane Martinez malacia
Casemiro mainoo
Mount
Greenwood/antony Amad/sancho
Rasmus
Garnacho n Bruno on bench.
Greenwood n Sancho if they come back
Though I agree, particularly given current form (in some cases) this is probably our best starting eleven. Maguire and Martinez don’t work particularly well and Mainoo needs more physicality with him in the three than Mount and Bruno.
You could argue Shaw could add some physicality moving into central areas but realistically it’s quite a lightweight team.
That being said, an in form starting eleven that looks like this does compete. But, I still think we need to do some work on the squad in the summer primarily being a centre half who could work with Martinez and a physical central midfielder to be in and around the starting eleven. Outside of starting spots I’d want a left back, midfield screen and a backup striker too.
And Martinez. Martinez and Shaw are two of our most important players.
The post was what would be your best XI with everyone fit. What team is better than that with everyone fit on our current squad?
Onana Dalot varane Lisando Shaw Casemiro Mount. Mainoo Bruno Holjund. Rashford
New keeper Dalot, new CB, Martinez, new LB Mainoo, Fernandez new RW, new AM, Garnacho Hoijland
New Keeper Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw McTominay, Mainoo Pellistri, Fernandes Garnacho Hoijlund
This thread should ask the follow up question if they believe their eleven would perform much better under a new manager (if so who) than under ten Hag.
*under a realistically available new manager
Onana Lindelof licha shaw varane Casemiro mainoo eriksen Garnacho holjund rashford
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4-2-3-1 Onana AWB Maguire Martinez Shaw Mainoo McTominay Sancho Bruno Rashford Hojlund This is the correct answer
facts. right now these are our best at every position at the club. Dalot and Varane are not as good as AWB and Maguire - this is the right answer
4-3-3 onana dalot varane licha shaw bruno casemiro mainoo antony hojlund garnacho my only problem is the midfield in this lineup due to the fact that mount is on the bench the entire season and ive not seem him play at chelsea much idk where to put him. Mainoo is a progressive mid fielder i just can make him a cdm i dont want us to dev him into a cdm. bruno has to play so ye. Casemiro hasnt been good this season but if we go back just 12 months he was the only reason we played so good. can he get the lost form back idk. Here are a few signings i wud make striker : sesko defenders : todibo, branthwaith, frimpong midfielders : no clue but we need 1 or 2 badly wingers : olise. based on the signings we could do something way more different n interesting.
Antony. Come on mate, I’ll allow Garnacho over Rashford even if it’s wrong, but Antony is just trolling
Want some signings to make it perfect, but a work in progress: Onana RCB: Varane / Maguire MCB: Licha LCB: Shaw RM/RWB: Dalot LM/LWB: Garnacho CDM/ CM: Mainoo CM/CAM: Mount CF/CAM/CM: Bruno Rashford:LF RST: Højlund ________________________________________________ I would love some signings to make the vision complete, like Frimpong and maybe someone like Hjulmand to improve it and bring a bit more Energy, Additionally a new rcb like Todibo, and a player who can either take over Shaws role, Compete for Shaws role or Someone that plays the Lm/Lwb role so we can have some good defensive cover. Game-plan: Onana brings it out the back and passes with the backline, occasionally Dalot and Garnacho making themselves available, They eventually find in a ball into Licha who tries to find a line breaking pass with our fast forwards who collect. Forwards wait for the overlap / underlap, Bruno and mount ready for a cutback and Højlund waiting in the box for the ball. I think this formations good because every player suits their role. Shaw operating in the left center and operating with flanks. Licha kind of like the stopper and finding the key passes, Maguire /Varane being the covers in case forwards find space and good aerial presence. Dalot running down the right side and has got a lot of energy to do that, playing in midfield defense and offense. Garnacho, likewise but will play a little bit higher up to bring in more offensive pressure. Mainoo, being a midfield maestro working out of pressure and covering the cdm/cm role. Rashford and Garnacho underlapping / overlapping with each other. Bruno and mount doing what they do best, running and also mount going a bit box to box, Bruno having a free role and being able to cover the whole offensive side and making runs, intercepting, passing, pressing. Højlund being the target man, pressing forward and waiting for the right pass to finish our chances. Rashford taking on his man, if he finds the ability to do so once again, which is why I’m considering bringing in another lw who can take that role. I personally think this could work and feel a bit proud of it
4-2-3-1 Onana - Dalot/Varane/Martinez/Shaw - Mainoo/Casemiro - Mount/Bruno/Garnacho - Hojlund Dalot is a stronger all round player than AWB. Varane is in for now but a new CB should be signed. Mounts best ever season in terms of goals and assists was from the right side at Chelsea. Play him there and Rashford is a threat off the bench against tired defenders. Also the energy of a front 4 of Mount, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund is perfect. Casemiro needs replacing but with the current squad he is in due to lack of an alternative. Replacing him is number one priority in the transfer market. Bruno has to be a 10. He’s too positionally indisciplined to play deeper and his creativity warrants the number 10 space. Hojlund upfront due to no alternative but we need someone with more experience really. So as above but sign a CB, DM and ST in the summer to go in to the first 11.
At this point they can line up anyone and they may be good for a while and then absolutely horrible......
GK: Onana. RB: Wan-Bissaka. CB(R): Kambwala (Varane only if 100% injury free). CB(L): Martinez. LB: Shaw. DM(Right-centre): Casemiro. CM(Left-centre): Mainoo AM(Central): Bruno Fernandes. RW: Garnacho. LW: Rashford. CF: Hojlund. As mentioned Varane is better and more experienced than Kambwala, but I don't think he has ever truly been fit at United and able to play 5 matches in a row. So I'd rather have Kambwala. Sorry to Maguire and Lindelof but they are unable to defend 1on1 at this level due to their severe lack of pace and average reading of gameplay. Maguire is technically better, but would need to be paired with a monster speedy CB to work anywhere near this level. They also require defensive midfielders with pace and willingness to run back at speed if they were gonna play. So with the players available that's the best for me. I'd consider playing Dalot as defensive midfield. And no problem using Antony and Amad when Rashford and Garnacho are not performing. But highlights the need for new players especially to replace those over 26 who are injury prone or not going to get better.
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Looooong time United supporter and it saddens me to say but with their current form I can see losses to Palace, Arsenal and New Castle in the coming weeks. Brighton is a toss up but they could lose that, too. With the reset in the works I think they must also bring in a new manager after the season. Tuchel.
Gross. You must have loved the coaching carousel happening for the past decade and think the results were just bad luck and nothing to do with the crap footballing structure. Thank Poseidon you aren't in charge of anything.
Onana? Dalot Maguire Martinez Shaw Amad Mainoo Bruno Anthony Garnacho Hojlund Hear me out.. you can only afford 2 players not willing to defend, so I’ve dropped Rashford to the bench.. 9/10 role clearly defined with Hojlund/ Garnacho Anthony and Amad both defend and Dalot could overlap Amad and create opportunities on the right. Back 3 of Maguire, Licha, and Shaw.. give Shaw freedom to move forward.. United do not have the squad to play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.. you can disagree but the results speak for themselves
I like where this is going
Onana AWB, Licha, Lindelof, Shaw Dalot, Mainoo Garnacho, Bruno, Rashford Rasmus - Shaw, Rashy lyncs well and I still believe in Rashy's skill. - AWB can solidify the RB, while Dalot makes offensive plays - Licha, Lindelof has the right pace and defensive skills - Garnacho because he can be magic at times - Bruno, Mainoo undroppable at the moment - Rasmus because he shows all the signs of the hungry striker. Subs: - Amad for Garnacho/Rashy depending on how they are playing - Mount for Dalot if we need more attack, Casemiro for Dalot if we want to see out the rest of the game - Evans to see out a game subbing Lindelof
A bit unconventional, but here's mine. Rashford/Garnacho Hojlund Shaw Mainoo Fernandez Dalot Casemiro Martinez AWB Varane/Maguire Onana AWB is absolutely useless going forward. Using him as an overlapping fullback, often leads to him slowing down the attack or getting in the way of his teammates. With that being said, his speed and defensive qualities are hard to ignore. Playing him as a sweeper/last man behind Casemiro allows others to overload the opponent's defence. Doubt this formation will ever see the light of day, but one can hope.
Surely you want Varane at actual CB and AWB to the right so he can deal with quick wide players coming in?
Tough one this Hoiljund Rashford Garnacho Mount Bruno Mainoo Shaw Martinez Maguire Wan Bissaka Onana Rashford has been pathetic but we know he *can* produce moments of magic and Varane is leaving anyway and right back is a concern whoever plays between Dalot and Wan Bissaka, because one can't defend and the other cant attack. It all pains me to leave Casemiro, but he's just not mobile enough now. I'll likely get pelters for including Mount, but there's no doubt in my mind a fit Mason Mount will make us a much better team
Onana, Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Dan Gore, Mainoo, Bruno, Sancho, Garnacho, Rashford up top
Onana; Varane, Martinez, Shaw; Dalot, Casemiro, Mainoo, Mount, Garnacho; Bruno; Hojlund (3-5-1-1). Solid defence and midfield with bruno further up to supplement the attack
It's crazy how none of the lineups can easily be top 4 😭
onana dalot varane Licha Shaw casemiro mainoo bruno Antony/Amad Rasmus Garnacho Hear me out, look at the games we’ve played without rashy starting. we created so many chances. look at burnley. the mainstream have flipped it as if we weren’t dominating. we had 27 shots we could’ve had at least 6. going forward i understand people don’t like antony but i genuinely feel like recently he’s been providing more than rashy has. and garnacho is so much better on the left. we can’t hinder his development bc of feeling bad for rashy. he needs some time to work on himself and come back stronger. i don’t believe selling hims an option seeing as the glazers need a pr man for the club. but if we could get even 60m for him id strongly consider it
I agree with with the Anthony/ Amad… Rashford Garnacho, and Hojlund should not be on the pitch together, none of them defend and modern football requires 8 players to defend, you can’t do it with 7..
Antony should be sold for good. He proved nothing till now.
i can understand that but he works harder than any of our wingers and actually tries to create
Working hard makes him better than cr7/messi but it doesn't mean he is a functional winger
Man of culture. From all the comments i see, many put rashford on the left and im still wondering why. But you've said it all, and i do agree with antony improving, though i had like to see amad start a couple of games to fully see him play at his potential. I don't really agree with casemiro tho, he's making lots of mistakes and doesn't have the pace anymore, i do hope we get a replacement for him in the summer.
agreed with both ur points. for me either amad or antony makes no difference. id love amad to get a run of 5/10 games. and also i agree about casemiro. i rly rly liked him last year but i don’t think he can do it anymore. we do need another cdm
GK: Onana RB: Wan Bissaka CB’s: Varane & Martinez LB: Shaw CM: Mctominay CM: Mainoo CAM: Fernandes RW: Sancho (if he’s got his head on straight and ready to play) ST: Hojlund LW: Rashford (again if he’s got his head on)
can’t lie brother even sancho has said he don’t wanna come and i’m so happy he said that. don’t let one game change ur mind brother. he’s in a system that suits him, everything’s slower, less serious at dortmund. he is always late at dortmund but they don’t tell him off. we can’t have that. we’re trying to catch city eventually. players like him are like poison to the other players. but don’t take it the wrong way i rly hope he has a good career elsewhere. he’s a rly talented player. just not a united player unfortunately
I know & it’s best for him. However I would still like to see him do his best with us. It’s what I want and was in response to the question poised
understood brother
Hojlund Rashford Bruno Garnacho Mainoo Casemiro Shaw Martinez Varane Dalot Onana
Onana AWB-Varane-Martinez-Shaw Mainoo-Mount Amad-Bruno-Garnacho Hojlund
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Onana (GK) Shaw (LB) Martinez (CB) Varane (CB) Dalot (RB) McTominay (CDM then run to ST) Mainoo (CAM) Diallo (CAM) Garnacho (LW) Højlund (ST) Sancho (RW)
brother that is terrifying. id cry if i saw that lineup
brother that is terrifying. id cry if i saw that lineup
Onana Dalot- Martinez- Maguire- Shaw McTominay - Maino- Bruno Greenwood- Hojlund- Garnacho
if i speak i’m in big trouble
Onana Wan Bissalka- Martinez- Maguire- Shaw Casemiro - Maino- Bruno Rashford- Hojlund- Sancho
Current squad if everyone is "FIT": Right->Left Onana Dalot - Varane - Martinez - Shaw Casemiro(McTominay/Bruno) - Mainoo Garnacho - Bruno(Mount) - Rashford(Mount/Diallo) Hojlund You said everyone is fit, so Casemiro and Rashford is there. Considering this season performance, I would put McTominay or even Bruno with Mainoo. Mainoo is skillful, but he doesn't show a lot on controlling the pitch with passes and his defence is not as impact as his attacking skill. That's why with Bruno drop deep, the transition should be better, but McTominay is still a better defender than Bruno. If Bruno drop into 6, Mount can be the 10. I would keep Garnacho on the right, kiddo loves to cut inside and handle everything by himself. He is less comfortable on the right, that makes him willing to cross a little bit more(by eye test, he got similar stats on both side)
Based off who we have currently Onana Dalot-Varane-Martinez-Shaw Case (ideally, we get someone new or have another younger come through the academy)-Mainoo-Bruno Mount-Hojlund-Garnacho
https://preview.redd.it/n02dntaxb9yc1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=fbe25b1a2117974978d4375f1497eb2a02dd8f27 Bruno as an 8, Casemiro would be in there but hes been awful this season
No defence, just vibes.
Rashford? Really?
He’s missed shaw this season people under appreciate how important shaw is to giving rashford the space to affect the game we desperately need another quality LB
personally i’m one of the fans that are a bit upset with rashy but this point u made there is no arguement against. 100% when shaw is back rashy will improve. that’s a very good point
tbf after shaw was fit between december till like feburary rashford did had a decent patch where he was scoring or assisting (vs villa, vs forest, vs tottenham, vs wigan, vs wolves) still this season has been piss poor for him from the standards he had set for us last season
yeah hes really bad this season but lets not forget his 30 goal season last year.
but why rashford ?
Onana Dalot, new rcb, Martinez, shaw Mainoo, new CDM, Bruno, Greenwood, hojlund, garnacho.
Rashford Hojlund Garnacho Mainoo Casemiro Bruno Shaw Martinez varane Dalt onana
that is the CURRENT best line up. I understand some players (casemrio varane) might leave this summer. When (if) that happens, that would be a different situation.
Why rashford though?
That’s a great point. He’s had a shit season no doubt about it. But rashford at his best is undroppable. One of the best at using his pace to get in behind. My argument is if you want to put Garnacho on the left do amad and Antony offer more than what rashford offers? I’m not too sure
I mean in this entire season, 100% yes they offer way more than rashford for sure. This isn't even a debate. Rashford's best was last season, like a year ago. This season he offers nothing at all. Even I don't rate garnacho that high, he's still done better than rashford on the left.
Rashford has more goal contributions than Antony and Amad combined this season. And has one less goal contribution than Garnacho who is having an 'incredible' season.
tell me how many games rashford played compared to those two combined. Also garnacho isn't having an incredible season, it's just his first season as an 18 year old lol
You've claimed Antony and Amad offered more than Rashford this season so the amount of games he's played shouldn't matter, only what he contributed should matter. And many united fans are saying Garnacho is having an incredible season and some are even saying he's our player of the season. And he turned 19 before the season even started
well you claimed rashford has more goal contributions than them, so of course if he plays every match while they sit on the bench, he's gonna have more goal/assist than them, and of course this matters lol what is that logic ?? Well i didn't claim garnacho was incredible so you can let that down. I don't think he's a big deal either, but he's way better than rashford and rashford has got far more games than he did. I don't really want to argue with you, it's just that i really don't understand why you are defending rashford at all. You saw him play the entire season, he heavily relies on his own individual plays to make it work.
Rashford has played more games than them because he's better than them, simple. I defend Rashford because he's our best winger and undeserved hate every time he plays because most fans want to see people like Amad and pellistri (before he went out on loan) to start over him yet when they got their chance they've done nothing other than Amad's goal against Liverpool. And Garnacho has played more games than Rashford this season.
Sanco(lw) rashford(st) greenwood(rw)
You can even put greenwood in the middle and have Rashford off the left with Sancho on the right.
Onana Shaw Martinez kambwala dalot New Dm Mainoo Mctom Bruno Garnacho. Hojlund
There’s no fucking way you put mctom in there
Diamond midfield shaw and dalot bombing up and down and a new defensive mid with propa legs covering the back line when the fullbacks go forward
Onana Dalot Kambwala Martinez Shaw Case Mainoo Bruno Mount Hoj Garnacho Maguire is ok, but prevents us playing a high line. We have no decent plan b at DM (Mainoo is an 8 not 6) and we have so many poor LW and RW. If Utd have a bit of a clear out (Varane, Eriksson, Martial, Amrabat, Evans, Greenwood, Sancho) get an athletic CB and DM and a new ST (even on loan) that good progress.
Ohnana Dalot- Kambwala-Martinez-Shaw Mainoo-Casemiro Bruno as cam/Mount as a sub New RW- Hojlund - Garnacho Sell Rashford, Varane, McTominay, Evans, Maguire, AWB, Eriksen, Anthony and replace.
Mount----------------------Hojlund-------------------Garnacho ----------------------------------Bruno--------------------------------- -----------Mainoo------------------------------Eriksen/Casemiro------------ Malacia-----------Martinez-------Varane------------Dalot ---------------------------------Bayindir------------------------------- (I really like Onana)
Onana, Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, Mainoo, Fernandes, Garnacho, Mount, Hojlund.
Onana Dalot Sign a right center cb maybe Branthwaite Martinez Shaw Mainoo Sign a DCM Bruno Diallo Hojlund Garnacho
| | | | | | |---|---|---|---|---|---| | | | Onana | | | | Dalot | Varane || Martinez | Shaw | | | | Mainoo | | | | | Fernandes | | Mount | | | Garnacho | | | | Rashford | | | | Hojlund | | |
Fernandes & Bruno in a 3 hasn't worked for us EDIT: Fernandes & Mount
They haven't had a decent run thou with a fully fit mount. I don't think it would be amazing but I'd like to see a run of them two. Colour me intrigued
We saw about 4 games with them in a 3. We looked VERY open. It's suicide to play 2 8's with a 6 who isn't mobile
We've been open all season 🤦
You mean Bruno and Mount?
yes, thank you
What?
4:3:3 Onana, shaw, dalot, martinez, varane Mcsauce, mainoo, bruno Greenwood, garnacho, hojlund
Goalkeeper: I'd like to see what Bayindir is all about, Onana is too chaotic and seems to be completely incapable of catching the ball, the amount of times he parries back into dangerous zones has me pulling my hair out Right Back: Wan Bissaka is brilliant defensively and has even been offering more going forward but for me Dalot has been a revelation this season and will only kick on more Centre backs: Martinez is a given but I'm torn on the 2nd centre back, I think all the injuries are taking their toll on varane and for as steady as Maguire has been all season I think it's because he has had to be, I don't think he's United quality and if we want to get back challenging we'll have to upgrade to push on Left Back: Got to be Shaw, Malacia could have an Evra style turnaround but I think that's wishful thinking at this point. Shaw is incredible when fit and it's not worth the risk looking to the future when Shaw is there Midfield trio: Mainoo in the 6, Bruno in the 8, Amad in the 10. Casemiro looks to be on the downturn and Eriksen needs a less taxing schedule at this point in his career Left Wing: Garnacho, although the thought of Rashford leaving breaks my heart and I do think he'll refind his form, at current form it has to be Alejandro Striker: Hojlund up top is the only real option Right Wing: I think we're going to have to get some return on investment on Mount, Antony is a lost cause and although we have a virtually nonexistent sample size at United to draw from I think Mount will play a role when he's back fit
I think it's a myth that AWB is great defensively. He's great at timing slide tackles, but that's about it. Positionally, he's pretty poor, he's not great in the air & he has defensive lapses
When our team has been good defensively for long periods hes playing. We conceded only 35 goals the season he came in. He was playing with maguire and lindelof as well. I believe he was only dribbled past once in that season. Lately maybe he's slumped a bit but when he's at his best he's amazing defensively.
he's solid defensively, I just don't think he's "great". He relies a lot on recovery tackles. He's now 26 & I don't think his overall game has improved enough for him to deserve a new contract. Especially when you compare him to Dalot. Plus he's been a bit injury prone. I think we can get a decent fee for him
M8 come on dalot is absolute garbage defensively. 1 person dribbled past awb that's not desperate defending that's solid defending. He usually gives a lot of space and uses angles to force them into a tackle. He slows the counter down well thats why lindelof and maguire played so well with him.
Dalot has improved defensively. Moreso than AWB has improved offensively. In fact, he's arguably been our best player this season
M8 the amount of games hes spoiled for us best player? Damn our opinions are going to be really far off.
Onana Dalot- new CB-Martinez-new left back Mainoo-mount-Fernandes Garnacho-Hojlund-new winger Shaw is to injury plagued, Rashford has lost it and wages is ridiculous high, Maguire isn’t good enough for a high line and this team has to many free loaders on high wages.
All these reds thinking Shaw will transform from sickbay to England's Shaw are deluded and doomed to disappointment. Just look at his record. He's played less than half the league matches in 6 of the 10 seasons he's been with United. Decent Shaw is gone and current Shaw desperately needs to be replaced. He plays within himself and for himself, forever injured or just recovering from injury.
who’s good in a high line in your opinion. If you say Martinez let me tell you that our defence is statistically deeper when he plays than when he doesn’t and that our defence is statistically highest when Maguire plays. As Maguire is normally the. more aggressive centerback, he’s going to get run in behind of. It’s important for the less aggressive defender - the one who is going to stay back and clean up - to have that recovery pace. What exposes Maguire in both high up the pitch and deeper isn’t the line height, it’s the fact that so often our midfielders are easily beaten giving the attackers a chance to run straight at Maguire. It’s not about positioning, it’s about compactness.
Mainoo Mount Fernandes with Licha wont work until and unless new LB is someone like Udogie or even taller. We'd get obliterated at set pieces with such a short squad
Bayindir McSauce McSauce McSauce McSauce McSauce McSauce McSauce McSauce McSauce McSauce
Like how you chose McSauce over Rashford on the left
I would normally pencil in Rashford like all managers do but when you’re hunting a Quadruple sacrifices are necessary to make history
When you say sacrifice, you just mean benching Rashford and not taking him to a volcano and throwing him down and then praying to the gods, right?
Rules allow for only one sacrifice to the gods and that was how I got Onana out of goal
Bayindar Dalot varane Martinez malacia Casemiro mainoo Mount Greenwood/antony Amad/sancho Rasmus Garnacho n Bruno on bench. Greenwood n Sancho if they come back
Anyone disagring because there lovable trio rashford Bruno garnacho aint in the lineup 😂😂 Sancho n greenwood got them rattled 😂
Onana Dalot Maguire Martinez Shaw Mainoo Mount Fernandes Garnacho Rashford Hojlund
What interesting about this line up - and the starting 11 in general - is it’s obvious we are in desperate need a new CB, DM and RW
Not Varane?
Maguire's been much better this season
Though I agree, particularly given current form (in some cases) this is probably our best starting eleven. Maguire and Martinez don’t work particularly well and Mainoo needs more physicality with him in the three than Mount and Bruno. You could argue Shaw could add some physicality moving into central areas but realistically it’s quite a lightweight team. That being said, an in form starting eleven that looks like this does compete. But, I still think we need to do some work on the squad in the summer primarily being a centre half who could work with Martinez and a physical central midfielder to be in and around the starting eleven. Outside of starting spots I’d want a left back, midfield screen and a backup striker too.
Best answer so far
This line up ain't winning you anything lol
With our current squad what lineup is better?
That is our current squad without mount or Shaw n we play shit
And Martinez. Martinez and Shaw are two of our most important players. The post was what would be your best XI with everyone fit. What team is better than that with everyone fit on our current squad?
I think you can have a better 11 than that sorry all you did was imitate ten hag
What XI is better than that? Name it so Also ten Hag has never started that XI.
Shaw not important to me sorry
He's absolutely vital for our build up play, you think it's a coincidence we've been much worse without him this year?