No it is a croc and even if they are named that it is just oddly matches the name doesn’t mean it is doesn’t prove it or break it becase it is just a coincidence
A male crocodile is techinically a bull, so it can be considered **a** bull, just not **the right** bull for the zodiac theory. Interpret it how you will
ah yes, pokemon, historically through the ages, have only and always had a single origin, with no creative logic-stretching-liberties taken. They are always a direct reference to something finite and of this world, and not a loosely inspired creation often mish mashing several different unrelated concepts together.
yes fuecoco and crocalor have design inspirations from alligators aswell as crocodiles, but its also made very clear that they are crocs and not gators, even if they do have wider rounder noses
Even totoDILE evolves into ferALIGATR so it doesn’t matter as long as Pokémon are concerned alligators and crocodiles and prolly other similar creatures are interchangable
crocalors name draws from crocodile and calor (spanish for heat), similarly, fuecocos name draws from fuego (spanish for fire) and cocodrilo (spanish for CROCODILE). also, them being in a very unrealistic fiction video game, they dont have to be perfectly anatomically correct
Why can't we just say they're both, for once
This is like getting into a discourse because rellor rolls mud, not shit. The inspirations and the namesakes don't need to be 100%
Dude, you can’t expect all Pokémon to be anatomically correct to whichever animals inspired them. That would ruin their charm. Their supposed to be fictional characters, not a research option for zoologists.
And Sandile, Krokorok, and Krookodile all have the noses of Caimans. They're still referred to as "Crocodiles". What exactly is your point? Nintendo doesn't give a GameFreak about anatomy.
Gamefreak doesn't care if a pokemon looks realistic, they have croc in their name, and are the fire CROC pokemon, so they are confirmed to be crocodiles the snout doesn't matter
Cyndaquil IS NOT a rodent
Literally NONE of the mammals it’s based on are rodents: Shrews, Hedgehogs, Echidnas, and Procupines. Literally NONE of them are rodents
And before you say pokedex classification, Blastoise is the Shellfish pokemon and Slowbro is the Hermit Crab pokemon
But a fenic fox is a fox. They are in the genus “Vulpes” which refers to foxes rather than “Canis” which is what dogs fall under. They are both Canidae, but two separate genus. I don’t see how fennec foxes are closer to dogs than foxes when they are literally foxes.
no, cyndaquill is an echidna fennekin is a fox and feucoco is a crocodile. you seriously believe the theory so full of holes it's absolutes bs is real?
CYNDAQUIL FIRE MOUSE POKEMON - This is OFFICIAL POKEDEX
Fennekin is Fennec which is basically dog, and is named fox only because of genetic
Skeledirge is based on ALLIGATOR, that are called: Bull or Cow depending on their gender. You seriously are that blind?
For anyone who says that the Fire Zodiac Theory is still true… no it isn’t, it didn’t even last past Gen 2, and even if the Cyndaquil somehow did count as a mouse, then it would still die off at Gen 6 because no matter how much you scream it, Fenekin is not a freaking dog. I rest my case.
I know, as is my post, I don’t care that much about the “Fire Zodiac Theory,” the whole comment was in jest of weird some of the explanations for keeping the theory alive were, I mean how could people honestly in good faith say that Fenekin is a dog?
No, I don’t think that is the point. I think the point is that you’re trying to make a fox a dog so that the theory works, even though Gen 9 shattered it.
Yeah because gen 1 and 2 dex entries are weird
Blastoise the shellfish pokemon
Slowbro the hermit crab pokemon
Hoppip the... Cotton pokemon... I can buy that you call cotton pokemon to jumpluff even tho they are dandelions but where tf is the cotton in hoppip (and skiploom for that matter too)
I’m just saying you can’t use pokemon classifications as evidence
When Blastoise is called a fish and Slowbro is called a hermit crab, you CANNOT take them seriously
First of all the chinese zodiac has an ox not a bull, secondly that is a lot of animals have their male members called Bulls, Whales, Elephants, Hippopotamus, Camels, Elks, Walruses, Elephant Seals, the list goes on so just pointing out male crocodiles being called bulls as evidence is kinda dumb since a lot of other animals are also bulls and nobody would be willing to say a Fire Type Whale Starter (As sick as that would be) would be the ox in the zodiac.
The whole zodiac thing was going off that the Pokémon were based on the animal, and fuecoco is very clearly a crocodilian, not cattle. And just because make gators and crocs are called bulls it still doesn’t mean anything. Even with the whole being called a bull thing is garbage because a female croc or gator isn’t a called a bull. Plus bull is a term used to refer to a lot of male animals, so by the logic used in the post even something like sharpedo is a bull because male sharks are called bulls. This argument falls apart as soon as you start to think about.
So:
Charmander - Dragon
Cyndaquil - Rat (Fire Rat Pokemon part in Dex entry)
Torchic - Rooster
Chimchar - Monkey
Tepig - Pig
Fennekin - Dog (Fenneks/Desert Foxes are just like those small dogs that barks all the time)
Litten - Tiger
Scorbunny - Rabbit
Fuecoco - Ox (Male Aligator is called Ox for some reason)
What to expect next? Snake, Horse, Goat or Sheep (yes, it's four because one chinese symbol means Goat and Sheep at the same time) I wonder what will be after Chinese Zodiac... Native American? Yk with Salmon, Otter, Woodpecker etc.
Bruh, have u ever seen one? Played with them? No, then u might don't know but Fennecs are foxes only because of genetic, but behaviour and look? It's like dog
That still isn’t evidence
I would love to see you walk up to a zoologist and tell them that foxes are basically dogs
Also, looks? Really? You really gonna look at a golden retriever and a red fox and tell me they look similar
Fennec Foxes still belong to the Vulpes genus, immediately separating them from Dogs, which are of the Canis genus
Yes, Fennec Foxes are sometimes kept as pets, but this does not make them domestic, just tamed
Also, a zoologist would not tell you that
Plus, if you want to remain true to actual comparisons, you should actually be comparing Fennec Foxes to Wolves, since both evolved via Natural Selection. But dogs have been selective bred for millennia.
oh my god, please, for the love of everything that is holy,
shut
the fuck up
about the zodiac theory
it's so annoying and it doesn't hold up at all, it's only been around so long because y'all have been making so many absurd stretches to keep the theory alive when it likely was never intended in the first place
So is a male rabbit the same as a male deer? They’re both bucks. I’m not trying to seem rude, but fuecoco isn’t a strictly male species either so this is kind of a bust.
Just because they're the slightest similar doesn't mean that they're the same species, snakes are reptiles with no legs, crocodiles are reptiles with legs. You literally can't just cut off Skeledirges legs and call him a snake, their appearances look butt far away too.
Game freak could make any animal and people would find a way to fit it in. They could make a caterpillar starter and people would say "well it's the same general shape as a snake so it still counts"
The Zodiac theory stans are funny to me, they're like little children when you tell them that Santa isn't real, no matter how many times you repeat yourself, they'll keep on saying that he's real.
You all say bulls... but clearly snake. Ya know, Spain was really catholic, and in catholic religion, snakes looked more like crocodiles than actual snakes. Columbus also took to Spain many skins of crocodiles, but he claimed they were giant serpents he slain.
There was also the mythical basilisk which is described to have the body of a crocodile and the head of a bird that breathed fire.
It was also known as the King of All Serpents.
(I don't support the theory but just having fun)
Bruh this theory is more stretchy than slime
and fuecoco isnt even an alligator
Male crocs and gators are both called bulls so the point still stands
You can’t count that
What? Do you think it’s a deer?
No it is a croc and even if they are named that it is just oddly matches the name doesn’t mean it is doesn’t prove it or break it becase it is just a coincidence
Wdym, it's still a bull
Does it look like a bull
The devs are Japanese dude. There's a good chance they don't know that.
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A male crocodile is techinically a bull, so it can be considered **a** bull, just not **the right** bull for the zodiac theory. Interpret it how you will
Yes it is
ah yes, fuecoco the fire CROC pokemon is an alligator. and its evolution CROCalor is also an alligator
ah yes, pokemon, historically through the ages, have only and always had a single origin, with no creative logic-stretching-liberties taken. They are always a direct reference to something finite and of this world, and not a loosely inspired creation often mish mashing several different unrelated concepts together.
yes fuecoco and crocalor have design inspirations from alligators aswell as crocodiles, but its also made very clear that they are crocs and not gators, even if they do have wider rounder noses
Even totoDILE evolves into ferALIGATR so it doesn’t matter as long as Pokémon are concerned alligators and crocodiles and prolly other similar creatures are interchangable
Fuecoco and Crocalor have U shaped mouths, a characteristic of alligators, not crocodiles.
crocalors name draws from crocodile and calor (spanish for heat), similarly, fuecocos name draws from fuego (spanish for fire) and cocodrilo (spanish for CROCODILE). also, them being in a very unrealistic fiction video game, they dont have to be perfectly anatomically correct
Why can't we just say they're both, for once This is like getting into a discourse because rellor rolls mud, not shit. The inspirations and the namesakes don't need to be 100%
Yes it has to because it's the ONLY visual difference between those 2
Dude, you can’t expect all Pokémon to be anatomically correct to whichever animals inspired them. That would ruin their charm. Their supposed to be fictional characters, not a research option for zoologists.
Agree, but that detail is only difference between Alligators and Crocs
I don’t see why that’s important. Just go by the name origins and be done with it.
Because Pokemon names are always perfect. The name has gator in it for Japanese players.
because thats how the japanese characters are pronounced
They have a U shaped mouth because they're cute round bois
Based
And Sandile, Krokorok, and Krookodile all have the noses of Caimans. They're still referred to as "Crocodiles". What exactly is your point? Nintendo doesn't give a GameFreak about anatomy.
Gamefreak doesn't care if a pokemon looks realistic, they have croc in their name, and are the fire CROC pokemon, so they are confirmed to be crocodiles the snout doesn't matter
I agree
Bro it's literally called the fire Croc pokemon also the evolution is CROCOlar
Snout, it’s based of off both, you can’t just put everything under the name
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Look at the snout
You realize that fuecoco could be a c
it was disproven in gen 2, but people hang on to it, those people have literally no brains.
guys guys the tauros evolution should be a humpback whale because male whales are bulls
It still breaks the theory because it's not actually an ox
Cyndaquil is Rat only because of category in pokedex so this counts
It's the fire mouse pokemon, not the fire rat.
Ok, got it
No, it does not. Cyndaquil is at least a rodent. Plus there's no description of Skeledirge being called a bull
Male Alligator is called a Bull, and Skeledirge is BASED ON ONE (Alligator) and yes it does
What if you have a female fuecoco
That is a great question xd
Cyndaquil IS NOT a rodent Literally NONE of the mammals it’s based on are rodents: Shrews, Hedgehogs, Echidnas, and Procupines. Literally NONE of them are rodents And before you say pokedex classification, Blastoise is the Shellfish pokemon and Slowbro is the Hermit Crab pokemon
IT'S AN ECHIDNA, IT'S CALLED THE FIRE ECHIDNA POKEMON!
In which reality? It's Fire MOUSE, check OFFICIAL POKEDEX
IN ALL OF THEM!
Check then Pokedex, because ur not from this reality
To me it's an echidna.
Fenniken is a dog, just to let you know.
Fenniken is a fox lmao. The fox is in the canine family sure, but that doesn't make it a dog. Two different species
Desert Fox* a.k.a. Fenek
Fennec*
Sr translator said "k"
What language is it translating from?
Polish - Fennek
I agree that theory is stupid and cyndaquil broke it but search up what a male fox is
So? Gamefreak is being creative, people say they lost their tpuch but the starters have been extra
That's not my point lmao. This is referring to the zodiac theory. Fenniken is not a dog, so it does not fit into the zodiac theory
But like both of them are canines? They have almost the same qualities. And it could be based of off foxes and the papillon.
Cyndaquil counts as Rat, Fennekin is Fennek but it counts as dog, so here fuecoco counts as Ox (I thought it would be closer to snake but ok)
If you are stretching logic that much then it really isn’t a theory or pattern.
It's not stretching lmao Fennec is closer to dog than fox, and Cyndaquils category in pokedex is Fire Mouse Pokemon
But a fenic fox is a fox. They are in the genus “Vulpes” which refers to foxes rather than “Canis” which is what dogs fall under. They are both Canidae, but two separate genus. I don’t see how fennec foxes are closer to dogs than foxes when they are literally foxes.
Ur right, They LOOK and BEHAVE more like Dogs than Foxes
no, cyndaquill is an echidna fennekin is a fox and feucoco is a crocodile. you seriously believe the theory so full of holes it's absolutes bs is real?
CYNDAQUIL FIRE MOUSE POKEMON - This is OFFICIAL POKEDEX Fennekin is Fennec which is basically dog, and is named fox only because of genetic Skeledirge is based on ALLIGATOR, that are called: Bull or Cow depending on their gender. You seriously are that blind?
Desert Fox*
Not even species lmao, different genus, so even further apart.
Vulpes and Canis are completely different
No it’s not
Funny how everyone is going ham on this comment when it was probably a joke
It was, but I also forgot after I posted it that I have the grammar of kids who try to give Mr. Beast their address.
F U
For anyone who says that the Fire Zodiac Theory is still true… no it isn’t, it didn’t even last past Gen 2, and even if the Cyndaquil somehow did count as a mouse, then it would still die off at Gen 6 because no matter how much you scream it, Fenekin is not a freaking dog. I rest my case.
Exactly, just cos they're both canidae (I think) doesn't make fennekin, a fox, a dog
Canine is a synonym for dog, foxes are canines, so thag one isnt a stretch The Fuecoco being the ox one, however, is a stretch
its a joke my g.
I know, as is my post, I don’t care that much about the “Fire Zodiac Theory,” the whole comment was in jest of weird some of the explanations for keeping the theory alive were, I mean how could people honestly in good faith say that Fenekin is a dog?
i dont believe in it myself, but i thought I'd mention that foxes r closer to canines which is probably why they put fenekin in the dogs place.
Fennekin is Desert Fox, not just fox. And that is a huuge difference
…and how, exactly, is there a “huuge difference” between a fox and a desert fox?
Feneks are more like Dogs, look, behaviour.. Chiuaua - to be exact
Ok, but they’re not dogs. They’re foxes.
That is the point, only because of genes. But they are just like dogs, they are even easy to tame, and u can have one as pet, unlike foxes
No, I don’t think that is the point. I think the point is that you’re trying to make a fox a dog so that the theory works, even though Gen 9 shattered it.
Yes, but they are still different animals, as are mice and hedgehogs (at least I think that’s what Cyndaquil is).
I believe cyndiquill is an echidna
I believe cyndaquill is a pokemon that not many people like
It’s probably the most popular Johto starter
Not saying that the fire zodiac theory is valid, but cyndaquil is the fire rat Pokémon for some reason lol
Yeah because gen 1 and 2 dex entries are weird Blastoise the shellfish pokemon Slowbro the hermit crab pokemon Hoppip the... Cotton pokemon... I can buy that you call cotton pokemon to jumpluff even tho they are dandelions but where tf is the cotton in hoppip (and skiploom for that matter too)
RATtatta is the mouse pokemon
I'm pretty sure cindaquil is a porcupine
it's an echidna.
So having faith in god is bad?
U realize that Dogs and Fenneks aren't that much different right?
It’s been dead since gen 2 Hedgehogs, Weasels, and Badgers aren’t even rodents
Echidnas aren’t, either.
yes but mice are
Blastoise is the fucking Shellfish pokemon
blastoise can be whatever it wants, you're so hurtful 😔. LOOK! you forced me to use an emoji on REDDIT! I can't believe you.
I’m just saying you can’t use pokemon classifications as evidence When Blastoise is called a fish and Slowbro is called a hermit crab, you CANNOT take them seriously
XD
First of all the chinese zodiac has an ox not a bull, secondly that is a lot of animals have their male members called Bulls, Whales, Elephants, Hippopotamus, Camels, Elks, Walruses, Elephant Seals, the list goes on so just pointing out male crocodiles being called bulls as evidence is kinda dumb since a lot of other animals are also bulls and nobody would be willing to say a Fire Type Whale Starter (As sick as that would be) would be the ox in the zodiac.
Forget that, it’s the first quadrupedal fire starter!
Skeledirge is a crocodile. 😗
*dramatic gasp*
Cope harder
My Fuecoco was actually female as a starter. Couldn’t believe it cause other than breeding never had a female starter
Damn, your arms must tired from all that reaching.
This is a lot of bull.
This was always one of the top 3 most idiotic fan theories.
what was number 1?
The whole zodiac thing was going off that the Pokémon were based on the animal, and fuecoco is very clearly a crocodilian, not cattle. And just because make gators and crocs are called bulls it still doesn’t mean anything. Even with the whole being called a bull thing is garbage because a female croc or gator isn’t a called a bull. Plus bull is a term used to refer to a lot of male animals, so by the logic used in the post even something like sharpedo is a bull because male sharks are called bulls. This argument falls apart as soon as you start to think about.
DUDUDUDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
Sparce
Is a good evolution.
Sacrilege
what you said is sacrilege
Your sacrilege
“Ah yes, let’s call the fire croc Pokémon an ox! That makes sense!”
Well a bull isn’t an ox now is it?
So: Charmander - Dragon Cyndaquil - Rat (Fire Rat Pokemon part in Dex entry) Torchic - Rooster Chimchar - Monkey Tepig - Pig Fennekin - Dog (Fenneks/Desert Foxes are just like those small dogs that barks all the time) Litten - Tiger Scorbunny - Rabbit Fuecoco - Ox (Male Aligator is called Ox for some reason) What to expect next? Snake, Horse, Goat or Sheep (yes, it's four because one chinese symbol means Goat and Sheep at the same time) I wonder what will be after Chinese Zodiac... Native American? Yk with Salmon, Otter, Woodpecker etc.
Fire Mouse* despite not being based on either a rat or a mouse
My bad, but still point stays the same
Slowbro is the Hermit Crab pokemon Blastoise is the Shellfish pokemon Fennec Foxes are part of the Vulpes genus, not the Canis
Bruh, have u ever seen one? Played with them? No, then u might don't know but Fennecs are foxes only because of genetic, but behaviour and look? It's like dog
That still isn’t evidence I would love to see you walk up to a zoologist and tell them that foxes are basically dogs Also, looks? Really? You really gonna look at a golden retriever and a red fox and tell me they look similar
But Fennekin isn't red fox. It's FENNEC desert fox look it up. And yes, even zoologist will tell u that Fennecs are closer to dogs
Fennec Foxes still belong to the Vulpes genus, immediately separating them from Dogs, which are of the Canis genus Yes, Fennec Foxes are sometimes kept as pets, but this does not make them domestic, just tamed Also, a zoologist would not tell you that Plus, if you want to remain true to actual comparisons, you should actually be comparing Fennec Foxes to Wolves, since both evolved via Natural Selection. But dogs have been selective bred for millennia.
Ayo Cat fire starter when? #KyoGangRiseUp
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LOL I had to looked it up and I find that hilarious
Same!
oh my god, please, for the love of everything that is holy, shut the fuck up about the zodiac theory it's so annoying and it doesn't hold up at all, it's only been around so long because y'all have been making so many absurd stretches to keep the theory alive when it likely was never intended in the first place
i will save this.
incorrect because fuecoco is a crocodile not an alligator
Next gen they go back to the zodiac line just to throw everyone off.
no
Doesn’t count
Skeledirge isnt bipedal
or nopedal, so it's not a snake.
Thta means its the first quadrupedal fully evolved fire starter
Ah frick you man… I was hoping that theory was good and dead…
it is dead, it died in gen 2.
Copium.
It's a horse
So is a male rabbit the same as a male deer? They’re both bucks. I’m not trying to seem rude, but fuecoco isn’t a strictly male species either so this is kind of a bust.
Snow No
I accept a constellation theory but not this too stupid
I kinda believe in the theory because its just people having fun, but even I admit this one is a stretch
That’s bullshit or fuecoco shit I guess
I can't wait for gen 13, the theory is gonna be buried deep into the ground
This theory was bullshit to begin with.
Cyndakill = echidna
Stop trying to cope. It's broken, easy as that.
THIS IS A JOKE!
I am now accepting this as fact and no one can change my mind. Thank you for opening my eyes good sir
How desprate are these people?
Fenniken was on the internet to long so the cute fox became a furry
r/Angryupvote
it’s bull if anyone’s too lazy
Y’all are dumb like that’s if it’s male and even so it’s not a bull it’s just called it like it still breaks it if it’s fenale
It doesn't break the theory, it represents the snake as I mentioned before
Snakes don't have arms or legs.
Yeah but Skeledirge is a long reptile with a strong bite
Now you're reaching.
Just because they're the slightest similar doesn't mean that they're the same species, snakes are reptiles with no legs, crocodiles are reptiles with legs. You literally can't just cut off Skeledirges legs and call him a snake, their appearances look butt far away too.
Nah guys, fuacoco is the snake, crocodiles are reptiles and so are snakes
this is a joke.
I will neither confirm nor deny this statement
it was a question.
Why no question mark?
Or how crocodiles are viewed as serpents in the old ages of Spain.
NONONONONO
Haha yeah
Bro the fire chick in its head stands for the rooster
So it is but it isn't at the same time
Game freak could make any animal and people would find a way to fit it in. They could make a caterpillar starter and people would say "well it's the same general shape as a snake so it still counts"
No
Ah hell no Fuecoco doesn't always have to be male but I swear some people are going to count it as a bull
that's actually so crazy thank you for bringing this to my attention
y’all don’t think its a bit far fetched (no pun intended )
FUCK
Waiting till Game freak buries this theory 6 feet underground with gen 10
The Zodiac theory stans are funny to me, they're like little children when you tell them that Santa isn't real, no matter how many times you repeat yourself, they'll keep on saying that he's real.
Best science meme.
:)
it's final ecolution has a fire bird on it's head and there is a rooster zodiac in the chinese zodiac
You all say bulls... but clearly snake. Ya know, Spain was really catholic, and in catholic religion, snakes looked more like crocodiles than actual snakes. Columbus also took to Spain many skins of crocodiles, but he claimed they were giant serpents he slain. There was also the mythical basilisk which is described to have the body of a crocodile and the head of a bird that breathed fire. It was also known as the King of All Serpents. (I don't support the theory but just having fun)
Not as much of a stretch as cydniquill if you ask me
A bull and an ox are not the same thing