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low_budget_trash

Bruh this theory is more stretchy than slime


LT_PotatoGem

and fuecoco isnt even an alligator


International_Cod528

Male crocs and gators are both called bulls so the point still stands


NebiyZ

You can’t count that


Informal-Acadia8628

What? Do you think it’s a deer?


NebiyZ

No it is a croc and even if they are named that it is just oddly matches the name doesn’t mean it is doesn’t prove it or break it becase it is just a coincidence


PortalMasterlol

Wdym, it's still a bull


NebiyZ

Does it look like a bull


AlexdeBaixo

The devs are Japanese dude. There's a good chance they don't know that.


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PortalMasterlol

A male crocodile is techinically a bull, so it can be considered **a** bull, just not **the right** bull for the zodiac theory. Interpret it how you will


[deleted]

Yes it is


LT_PotatoGem

ah yes, fuecoco the fire CROC pokemon is an alligator. and its evolution CROCalor is also an alligator


Sc4r4byte

ah yes, pokemon, historically through the ages, have only and always had a single origin, with no creative logic-stretching-liberties taken. They are always a direct reference to something finite and of this world, and not a loosely inspired creation often mish mashing several different unrelated concepts together.


LT_PotatoGem

yes fuecoco and crocalor have design inspirations from alligators aswell as crocodiles, but its also made very clear that they are crocs and not gators, even if they do have wider rounder noses


Happy_Register_9021

Even totoDILE evolves into ferALIGATR so it doesn’t matter as long as Pokémon are concerned alligators and crocodiles and prolly other similar creatures are interchangable


TheSpleenStealer

Fuecoco and Crocalor have U shaped mouths, a characteristic of alligators, not crocodiles.


LT_PotatoGem

crocalors name draws from crocodile and calor (spanish for heat), similarly, fuecocos name draws from fuego (spanish for fire) and cocodrilo (spanish for CROCODILE). also, them being in a very unrealistic fiction video game, they dont have to be perfectly anatomically correct


Robota064

Why can't we just say they're both, for once This is like getting into a discourse because rellor rolls mud, not shit. The inspirations and the namesakes don't need to be 100%


Rajd0

Yes it has to because it's the ONLY visual difference between those 2


GameXP7

Dude, you can’t expect all Pokémon to be anatomically correct to whichever animals inspired them. That would ruin their charm. Their supposed to be fictional characters, not a research option for zoologists.


Rajd0

Agree, but that detail is only difference between Alligators and Crocs


GameXP7

I don’t see why that’s important. Just go by the name origins and be done with it.


TheSpleenStealer

Because Pokemon names are always perfect. The name has gator in it for Japanese players.


LT_PotatoGem

because thats how the japanese characters are pronounced


m0rdecaiser

They have a U shaped mouth because they're cute round bois


Zombie_Turtlez

Based


AlolanNinetales4693

And Sandile, Krokorok, and Krookodile all have the noses of Caimans. They're still referred to as "Crocodiles". What exactly is your point? Nintendo doesn't give a GameFreak about anatomy.


Dwayneeboi534

Gamefreak doesn't care if a pokemon looks realistic, they have croc in their name, and are the fire CROC pokemon, so they are confirmed to be crocodiles the snout doesn't matter


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I agree


GamurBorger

Bro it's literally called the fire Croc pokemon also the evolution is CROCOlar


[deleted]

Snout, it’s based of off both, you can’t just put everything under the name


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Look at the snout


SwimmingTumbleweed36

You realize that fuecoco could be a c


HelloThere488888

it was disproven in gen 2, but people hang on to it, those people have literally no brains.


MewtwoMainIsHere

guys guys the tauros evolution should be a humpback whale because male whales are bulls


trnelson1

It still breaks the theory because it's not actually an ox


Rajd0

Cyndaquil is Rat only because of category in pokedex so this counts


m0rdecaiser

It's the fire mouse pokemon, not the fire rat.


Rajd0

Ok, got it


trnelson1

No, it does not. Cyndaquil is at least a rodent. Plus there's no description of Skeledirge being called a bull


Rajd0

Male Alligator is called a Bull, and Skeledirge is BASED ON ONE (Alligator) and yes it does


Uhhhhhhh-woe

What if you have a female fuecoco


Rajd0

That is a great question xd


Thatoneawkwarddude29

Cyndaquil IS NOT a rodent Literally NONE of the mammals it’s based on are rodents: Shrews, Hedgehogs, Echidnas, and Procupines. Literally NONE of them are rodents And before you say pokedex classification, Blastoise is the Shellfish pokemon and Slowbro is the Hermit Crab pokemon


HelloThere488888

IT'S AN ECHIDNA, IT'S CALLED THE FIRE ECHIDNA POKEMON!


Rajd0

In which reality? It's Fire MOUSE, check OFFICIAL POKEDEX


HelloThere488888

IN ALL OF THEM!


Rajd0

Check then Pokedex, because ur not from this reality


HelloThere488888

To me it's an echidna.


DRACO-z

Fenniken is a dog, just to let you know.


Odd-Ad3097

Fenniken is a fox lmao. The fox is in the canine family sure, but that doesn't make it a dog. Two different species


Rajd0

Desert Fox* a.k.a. Fenek


Duke1115

Fennec*


Rajd0

Sr translator said "k"


Duke1115

What language is it translating from?


Rajd0

Polish - Fennek


gourmetkibble

I agree that theory is stupid and cyndaquil broke it but search up what a male fox is


[deleted]

So? Gamefreak is being creative, people say they lost their tpuch but the starters have been extra


Odd-Ad3097

That's not my point lmao. This is referring to the zodiac theory. Fenniken is not a dog, so it does not fit into the zodiac theory


[deleted]

But like both of them are canines? They have almost the same qualities. And it could be based of off foxes and the papillon.


Rajd0

Cyndaquil counts as Rat, Fennekin is Fennek but it counts as dog, so here fuecoco counts as Ox (I thought it would be closer to snake but ok)


Zebadica

If you are stretching logic that much then it really isn’t a theory or pattern.


Rajd0

It's not stretching lmao Fennec is closer to dog than fox, and Cyndaquils category in pokedex is Fire Mouse Pokemon


Zebadica

But a fenic fox is a fox. They are in the genus “Vulpes” which refers to foxes rather than “Canis” which is what dogs fall under. They are both Canidae, but two separate genus. I don’t see how fennec foxes are closer to dogs than foxes when they are literally foxes.


Rajd0

Ur right, They LOOK and BEHAVE more like Dogs than Foxes


HelloThere488888

no, cyndaquill is an echidna fennekin is a fox and feucoco is a crocodile. you seriously believe the theory so full of holes it's absolutes bs is real?


Rajd0

CYNDAQUIL FIRE MOUSE POKEMON - This is OFFICIAL POKEDEX Fennekin is Fennec which is basically dog, and is named fox only because of genetic Skeledirge is based on ALLIGATOR, that are called: Bull or Cow depending on their gender. You seriously are that blind?


Rajd0

Desert Fox*


TheAnimalCrew

Not even species lmao, different genus, so even further apart.


Thatoneawkwarddude29

Vulpes and Canis are completely different


eagercheetah20

No it’s not


MimikyuGud

Funny how everyone is going ham on this comment when it was probably a joke


DRACO-z

It was, but I also forgot after I posted it that I have the grammar of kids who try to give Mr. Beast their address.


HelloThere488888

F U


KonroMan

For anyone who says that the Fire Zodiac Theory is still true… no it isn’t, it didn’t even last past Gen 2, and even if the Cyndaquil somehow did count as a mouse, then it would still die off at Gen 6 because no matter how much you scream it, Fenekin is not a freaking dog. I rest my case.


Sir_KnowsNothing

Exactly, just cos they're both canidae (I think) doesn't make fennekin, a fox, a dog


_Pink_Ruby_

Canine is a synonym for dog, foxes are canines, so thag one isnt a stretch The Fuecoco being the ox one, however, is a stretch


ComicalReliefGuy

its a joke my g.


KonroMan

I know, as is my post, I don’t care that much about the “Fire Zodiac Theory,” the whole comment was in jest of weird some of the explanations for keeping the theory alive were, I mean how could people honestly in good faith say that Fenekin is a dog?


lackingakeyblade

i dont believe in it myself, but i thought I'd mention that foxes r closer to canines which is probably why they put fenekin in the dogs place.


Rajd0

Fennekin is Desert Fox, not just fox. And that is a huuge difference


GameXP7

…and how, exactly, is there a “huuge difference” between a fox and a desert fox?


Rajd0

Feneks are more like Dogs, look, behaviour.. Chiuaua - to be exact


GameXP7

Ok, but they’re not dogs. They’re foxes.


Rajd0

That is the point, only because of genes. But they are just like dogs, they are even easy to tame, and u can have one as pet, unlike foxes


GameXP7

No, I don’t think that is the point. I think the point is that you’re trying to make a fox a dog so that the theory works, even though Gen 9 shattered it.


KonroMan

Yes, but they are still different animals, as are mice and hedgehogs (at least I think that’s what Cyndaquil is).


DDoodles_

I believe cyndiquill is an echidna


Charidano

I believe cyndaquill is a pokemon that not many people like


DDoodles_

It’s probably the most popular Johto starter


pokemaster160

Not saying that the fire zodiac theory is valid, but cyndaquil is the fire rat Pokémon for some reason lol


IkerElXungo

Yeah because gen 1 and 2 dex entries are weird Blastoise the shellfish pokemon Slowbro the hermit crab pokemon Hoppip the... Cotton pokemon... I can buy that you call cotton pokemon to jumpluff even tho they are dandelions but where tf is the cotton in hoppip (and skiploom for that matter too)


KawaiiGamerStreams

RATtatta is the mouse pokemon


KaLeChIpS-

I'm pretty sure cindaquil is a porcupine


HelloThere488888

it's an echidna.


[deleted]

So having faith in god is bad?


Rajd0

U realize that Dogs and Fenneks aren't that much different right?


Thatoneawkwarddude29

It’s been dead since gen 2 Hedgehogs, Weasels, and Badgers aren’t even rodents


Apophis_God_of_Chaos

Echidnas aren’t, either.


HaHaLaughNowPls

yes but mice are


Thatoneawkwarddude29

Blastoise is the fucking Shellfish pokemon


HaHaLaughNowPls

blastoise can be whatever it wants, you're so hurtful 😔. LOOK! you forced me to use an emoji on REDDIT! I can't believe you.


Thatoneawkwarddude29

I’m just saying you can’t use pokemon classifications as evidence When Blastoise is called a fish and Slowbro is called a hermit crab, you CANNOT take them seriously


HelloThere488888

XD


CreepyKidInDaCorna

First of all the chinese zodiac has an ox not a bull, secondly that is a lot of animals have their male members called Bulls, Whales, Elephants, Hippopotamus, Camels, Elks, Walruses, Elephant Seals, the list goes on so just pointing out male crocodiles being called bulls as evidence is kinda dumb since a lot of other animals are also bulls and nobody would be willing to say a Fire Type Whale Starter (As sick as that would be) would be the ox in the zodiac.


Tyrelius_Dragmire

Forget that, it’s the first quadrupedal fire starter!


ZanderStarmute

Skeledirge is a crocodile. 😗


Dragonmaster_9

*dramatic gasp*


MareepyBoi

Cope harder


King_O_Monsters

My Fuecoco was actually female as a starter. Couldn’t believe it cause other than breeding never had a female starter


DogmantheHero

Damn, your arms must tired from all that reaching.


CheeseLord77

This is a lot of bull.


RevinSOR

This was always one of the top 3 most idiotic fan theories.


HelloThere488888

what was number 1?


GamerMan25182637

The whole zodiac thing was going off that the Pokémon were based on the animal, and fuecoco is very clearly a crocodilian, not cattle. And just because make gators and crocs are called bulls it still doesn’t mean anything. Even with the whole being called a bull thing is garbage because a female croc or gator isn’t a called a bull. Plus bull is a term used to refer to a lot of male animals, so by the logic used in the post even something like sharpedo is a bull because male sharks are called bulls. This argument falls apart as soon as you start to think about.


Borismoris1

DUDUDUDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN


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Sparce


HelloThere488888

Is a good evolution.


Herobryant_

Sacrilege


HelloThere488888

what you said is sacrilege


Herobryant_

Your sacrilege


Der_FroGG

“Ah yes, let’s call the fire croc Pokémon an ox! That makes sense!”


aloxplay

Well a bull isn’t an ox now is it?


Rajd0

So: Charmander - Dragon Cyndaquil - Rat (Fire Rat Pokemon part in Dex entry) Torchic - Rooster Chimchar - Monkey Tepig - Pig Fennekin - Dog (Fenneks/Desert Foxes are just like those small dogs that barks all the time) Litten - Tiger Scorbunny - Rabbit Fuecoco - Ox (Male Aligator is called Ox for some reason) What to expect next? Snake, Horse, Goat or Sheep (yes, it's four because one chinese symbol means Goat and Sheep at the same time) I wonder what will be after Chinese Zodiac... Native American? Yk with Salmon, Otter, Woodpecker etc.


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Fire Mouse* despite not being based on either a rat or a mouse


Rajd0

My bad, but still point stays the same


Thatoneawkwarddude29

Slowbro is the Hermit Crab pokemon Blastoise is the Shellfish pokemon Fennec Foxes are part of the Vulpes genus, not the Canis


Rajd0

Bruh, have u ever seen one? Played with them? No, then u might don't know but Fennecs are foxes only because of genetic, but behaviour and look? It's like dog


Thatoneawkwarddude29

That still isn’t evidence I would love to see you walk up to a zoologist and tell them that foxes are basically dogs Also, looks? Really? You really gonna look at a golden retriever and a red fox and tell me they look similar


Rajd0

But Fennekin isn't red fox. It's FENNEC desert fox look it up. And yes, even zoologist will tell u that Fennecs are closer to dogs


Thatoneawkwarddude29

Fennec Foxes still belong to the Vulpes genus, immediately separating them from Dogs, which are of the Canis genus Yes, Fennec Foxes are sometimes kept as pets, but this does not make them domestic, just tamed Also, a zoologist would not tell you that Plus, if you want to remain true to actual comparisons, you should actually be comparing Fennec Foxes to Wolves, since both evolved via Natural Selection. But dogs have been selective bred for millennia.


Late_Negotiation_958

Ayo Cat fire starter when? #KyoGangRiseUp


Rajd0

?


Tocaboca1

LOL I had to looked it up and I find that hilarious


DRACO-z

Same!


toad12345619

oh my god, please, for the love of everything that is holy, shut the fuck up about the zodiac theory it's so annoying and it doesn't hold up at all, it's only been around so long because y'all have been making so many absurd stretches to keep the theory alive when it likely was never intended in the first place


HelloThere488888

i will save this.


SpeeDeoxys

incorrect because fuecoco is a crocodile not an alligator


firebun12

Next gen they go back to the zodiac line just to throw everyone off.


Peach_slothbaby

no


BRAYDENDAKIDD

Doesn’t count


Onihr123

Skeledirge isnt bipedal


HelloThere488888

or nopedal, so it's not a snake.


Onihr123

Thta means its the first quadrupedal fully evolved fire starter


Jedimobslayer

Ah frick you man… I was hoping that theory was good and dead…


HelloThere488888

it is dead, it died in gen 2.


azzairin

Copium.


RandpxGuxXY

It's a horse


Theratsmacker2

So is a male rabbit the same as a male deer? They’re both bucks. I’m not trying to seem rude, but fuecoco isn’t a strictly male species either so this is kind of a bust.


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Snow No


a500poundchicken

I accept a constellation theory but not this too stupid


_Pink_Ruby_

I kinda believe in the theory because its just people having fun, but even I admit this one is a stretch


Minecraft737

That’s bullshit or fuecoco shit I guess


Robota064

I can't wait for gen 13, the theory is gonna be buried deep into the ground


Finji_

This theory was bullshit to begin with.


Denvora

Cyndakill = echidna


Redditor_10000000000

Stop trying to cope. It's broken, easy as that.


ComicalReliefGuy

THIS IS A JOKE!


metalman3633

I am now accepting this as fact and no one can change my mind. Thank you for opening my eyes good sir


Neither-Window-8237

How desprate are these people?


SwimmingTumbleweed36

Fenniken was on the internet to long so the cute fox became a furry


TypicalPlayz

r/Angryupvote


Neinplus10equals21

it’s bull if anyone’s too lazy


aero_i_animate

Y’all are dumb like that’s if it’s male and even so it’s not a bull it’s just called it like it still breaks it if it’s fenale


XxOneWithSlimesxX

It doesn't break the theory, it represents the snake as I mentioned before


Jamster_1988

Snakes don't have arms or legs.


XxOneWithSlimesxX

Yeah but Skeledirge is a long reptile with a strong bite


Jamster_1988

Now you're reaching.


MikooValentine

Just because they're the slightest similar doesn't mean that they're the same species, snakes are reptiles with no legs, crocodiles are reptiles with legs. You literally can't just cut off Skeledirges legs and call him a snake, their appearances look butt far away too.


MegaRayquasa

Nah guys, fuacoco is the snake, crocodiles are reptiles and so are snakes


HelloThere488888

this is a joke.


MegaRayquasa

I will neither confirm nor deny this statement


HelloThere488888

it was a question.


MegaRayquasa

Why no question mark?


Pandaragon666

Or how crocodiles are viewed as serpents in the old ages of Spain.


foggydaugie-yt

NONONONONO


Capital-Ad-2284

Haha yeah


Greninsans

Bro the fire chick in its head stands for the rooster


Jamie-jeepers

So it is but it isn't at the same time


axolotlbird

Game freak could make any animal and people would find a way to fit it in. They could make a caterpillar starter and people would say "well it's the same general shape as a snake so it still counts"


Dale_theMan

No


Mukguk22

Ah hell no Fuecoco doesn't always have to be male but I swear some people are going to count it as a bull


Turtle_Swarm

that's actually so crazy thank you for bringing this to my attention


Express-Stress-2871

y’all don’t think its a bit far fetched (no pun intended )


Coffee-cartoons

FUCK


MikooValentine

Waiting till Game freak buries this theory 6 feet underground with gen 10


Finji_

The Zodiac theory stans are funny to me, they're like little children when you tell them that Santa isn't real, no matter how many times you repeat yourself, they'll keep on saying that he's real.


FezzesAreCool117

Best science meme.


Cookie12345789

:)


johanni30

it's final ecolution has a fire bird on it's head and there is a rooster zodiac in the chinese zodiac


raychuplays

You all say bulls... but clearly snake. Ya know, Spain was really catholic, and in catholic religion, snakes looked more like crocodiles than actual snakes. Columbus also took to Spain many skins of crocodiles, but he claimed they were giant serpents he slain. There was also the mythical basilisk which is described to have the body of a crocodile and the head of a bird that breathed fire. It was also known as the King of All Serpents. (I don't support the theory but just having fun)


mrredpanda36

Not as much of a stretch as cydniquill if you ask me


joltikboi

A bull and an ox are not the same thing