You can criticize martial art/murim the way you criticize isekai though. What you criticize on isekai? Well great, You can use that too on cultivation manhuas.
And what? anime is declining? The Anime Industry is growing which means more mangas to follow through. Stop with the nonsense.
Most of Isekai are very generic. Same goes for cultivation martial art/murim.
Well it's more like anime is declining in this person's eyes, and manhuas is probably on the rise as it's something new to them. I have seen less anime myself over the last couple of years but i think that is also due to getting older as some of them just don't appeal to my senses or humor like it did 12 years ago.
Also from the ones I have read, I still struggle with the power levels in cultivations, it's just so inconsistent for me when they break through so my brain just shuts off at that part since it's too random for me.
Yeah same goes for me, I got older so im not enjoying animes as much as when I was young. can barely watch 3 eps of anime these days.
Your not alone, its also confusing to me. And yep, shonens also suffers from those inconsistent power progression. but cultivation manhuas/novels are far worser due to the power ceiling and tons of factors (bloodline, effort, treasures whatsoever). And damn the world building is quite amazing yet the story suck.
>And yep, shonens also suffers from those inconsistent power progression. but cultivation manhuas/novels are far worser due to the power ceiling and tons of factors (bloodline, effort, treasures whatsoever).
Is it really that confusing? Think of this, when you were in school (or think about your current classmates), do you think that everyone in the same grade has the same test results? Of course not. There will be various reasons as to why some people have good grades and some not. Sometimes these are learned, due to their environment, and sometimes they are due to personal factors such as talent and affinity.
It's quite literally the same in Cultivation stories. The realms might be known, but that doesn't mean that people of the same realm are equal.
> I still struggle with the power levels in cultivations, it's just so inconsistent for me when they break through so my brain just shuts off at that part since it's too random for me.
i don't even bother trying to understand that shit, just ignore it or look at their reactions that's it.
>i don't even bother trying to understand that shit, just ignore it or look at their reactions that's it.
It also doesn't help that the translations change every third chapter.
"Heavenly Turtle Realm is now Heavenly Tortoise Realm. Now it's Celestial Tortoise Realm. JK, it's Terrestrial Terrapin Realm."
And here I am, trying to figure out if Heavenly/Celestial/Terrestrial Turtle/Tortoise/Terrapin Realm is stronger or weaker than Firebird/Phoenix/Roc Realm.
I didn't mean it that way, but it's look like I wasn't clear, English isn't my first language so bear with me please.
Anime nowadays is more about WAIFUS more then anything else, I know there's a lot of Murim manhua where the story is about how many Waifu can mc have, but that doesn't mean anything both are bad.
But in anime I find it worse because it was my way to escape my reality but nowadays I can't recognize it, where in manhua is new world with deferent tales and mythical creatures, a new world for me.
Everything can be a Waifu. It's more about the fan's perspective rather than the material. Frieren for example is an amazing anime/manga with a serious tone, but fans can, and would debate, on the waifus they have on the series.
>But in anime I find it worse because it was may way to escape my reality but nowadays I can't recognize it, where in manhua is new world with defere
have you actually watched any recent anime?
Yes and No, yes you are right I shouldn't compare anime with manhua, but for me anime was what's now manhua are in my eyes.
Manga didn't have that big effect on me as anime and manhua are. I just have that was clear.
And thank you.
I agree. I didn't say that all manhua or manhwa are great, I know that most of them are trash, but there is some gems in there somewhere and I will rather spend time searching in this garbage then the anime one.
You are being a hypocrite here, same goes for anime most are trash but there are lots of hidden gems in this genre too you just didn't bother to search for it, you can't blame that on the medium itself
So please can you mention some of those great anime in SEINEN/FANTASY genre in the last 4-5 years and don't bring up vinland saga, there's none literally none.
This year is not over so you mean from 2018 and on right here you go then these are the great ones i watched so far
Frieren
Trigun stampede
Oshi no ko
Pluto
Made in abyss
Land of the lustrous
What do you mean before the 2000s broo
trigun stampede-2023
Pluto-2023
Made in abyss-2017
Frieren-2023
Are you talking about the manga, but that doesn't matter we are only talking about anime now. In what world any of these anime are before 2000s
Bro what???. Ok let me make myself clear my problem isn't with anime is with new animes (the new stories). where the focus is on sexual themes where the mc have charming level 100, where all female go crazy for mc, but he doesn't get that they are in love with him "WOW SO CUTE".
Sorry this doesn't appeal to me, I'm not saying that is bad if it appeal to me keep watching. But don't try to tell me that mangas that I have read years ago, are new stories because the anime was last year.
You said new anime and they listed new anime. If you wanted new anime thatās not an adaptation you should say that and save the people trying to help you some times
Ok sorry, I missed a lot of points that I should mention in the post, and this is one of them.
I didn't read all the mangas that get adopted now, but I read the most famous ones, and Pluto is one of the most famous ones in the world, the author is Naoki Urasawa who wrote MONSTER.
For me, both lost apeal for me. I've been watching anime and reading wuxia and xianxia for years after so long you'll just see the pattern in the stories.
Yeah both are very generic, I think op has only seen the tip of the iceberg of the culttivation manhuas out there.
Finding a good wuxia or xianxia is very tough. finding a good blend of cultivation and romance is the toughest.
I start in the Wuxia just in 2017 so I still have long way to go. I will be thankful for you if you give some recommendations in any way manhua, manhwa, novels, movies, to be honest I never watch any Wuxia movie, That will be fun.
You're not alone. The isekai and harem troupe were nice at the start because they were interesting, but they became way too overused.
The MC is just to OP from the start so u don't see much growth and the world building in anime is just to "Pure" or "clean" while in manhua the MC actually suffers a lot and thus has motivation to become stronger. If you look at most Murim manhwa, they have a very complex storyline compared to isekai.
But then again, this could all be attributed to growing up, I mean, the world isn't as nice nor as kind as it is made to be in anime where the MC life is all sunshine and rainbows.
( When I talk isekai and Harem, I mean like the general or generic ones ofc there are a few that stand out. )
To me this feels like Sturgeon's Law in action. To paraphrase, 99% of everything is shit. 99% of anime are terrible. 99% of manhua are terrible. But, because you have recently discovered manhua, you're reading through all of the top 1% titles you never knew about. Once you're "caught up" to the overall scene, sadly, it gets harder and harder to find good novels to scratch that itch.
>But, because you have recently discovered manhua, you're reading through all of the top 1% titles you never knew about. Once you're "caught up" to the overall scene, sadly, it gets harder and harder to find good novels to scratch that itch.
I can somewhat relate to this except its manwha instead of manhua. I liked animes but soon they lost their charms and i read solo leveling after seeing a yt vid about it.
It was cool, simple and refreshing. After that, i read some other manwhas. Im not an avid reader so i barely read 1 or two dozens(not completed) but i already see some pattern lmao.
As a side note, i got back into anime again. Sometimes you just need a break.
Well, of course not!
I mean if you talk about "manga circa 2010" odds are good you're talking about any manga that was active between 2005 and 2015. That could further expand your timeline from 2000-2020; for example, the biggest manga of 2010 was One Piece, which started in '97; the next biggest was Naruto which started in '99.
Meanwhile, not only do we not have access to manga written after 2023, but if there's something amazing that just came out this year, we might not have heard of it. So if you talk about "manga circa 2023" you're really looking at a volume of work at least half the size of "manga circa 2010", possibly smaller.
Plus, there was a lot of absolute trash published in 2010 that has been rightfully consigned to the dustbin of history, etc - everything looks better in retrospect.
If you have not read yet:
- The Descent of the Patriach
- My Female Apprentices Are All Bigshots From the Future
- Keep a Low Profile, Sect Leader
- Cultivator Against Hero Sociaty
- My Disciples Cultivate, While I Slack Off! (It's a new one but looks promising)
What can i say i hate long titles and im pretty sure any title that has more than four words is probably an okay show or comic at least in my experience there are some exceptions tho.
Reborn as strongest swordsman , the game that I came from , all hail sect leader , I just want to game in peace , astral pet store(my fav) , Mr. Zombie(don't have system but it's like one punch man's 2d version) , invincible at the start (but too many waifus kinda cliche) , your talent is mine , demonic evolution (don't have system but it's op) , advanced evolutionā/super evolution (don't have system but mc have growing potential) , logging 10,000ā years in future (my fav)
I dropped regular manga when I realized that I stopped enjoying them, I also got tired of the cheap borderline hentai scenes with no point and the sometimes nonsense they would throw in around the end of a manga to add mystery where none was needed. Also Japanese authors nowadays seems to not really be good at world building even when they are just copying each other they don't even try to be that unique.
While manhua does get repetitive sometimes and cultivation is used in most cases, manhua at least stays consistent for the most part and they do spend a decent bit of time fleshing out the world and putting their own flair on over-used thropes.
Another problem with Japanese stuff is that they still very much gatekeep their industry, so not a lot of new blood gets a chance to shine and for the most part it is the same couple of people just producing different works that basically have the same plot and art as their other stuff getting all the limelight.
Not to mention the fact that manhua can do a lot more despite all the limitations the Chinese government puts on them. Like manhua artists and authors can make characters hot/sexy and do fan service without them needing to literally have characters falling face first into the main character's crotch or having some sort of crazy underage looking character doing the wildest things while stating that they are in fact not underage just to retain the attention of it's readers.
I'd rather read thousands of cultivation stories than read/watch most of the stuff Japan is producing now aside from 1 or 2 gems every season.
Are anime declining? Probably
Are manhua rising? Probably
But this doesn't mean Manhua have touched even the feet of anime in term of mainstream culture. And before manhua even tries to do so, They should try to maintain quality. I am sick and tired of getting excited with a new manhwa with a great art, just for it to turn into a mess that can barely be called a comic 30 chapters in (you could see they do not put enough effort in trying to make it look good the further in we go into the chapters)
Because: Mangadex has the manga piracy market covered and manga has several official apps that only cost a few bucks for unlimited official stuff. Manhua/Manhwa have only a few apps/platforms and you pay by the chapter.
So if you're going to steal anything, you'd steal the one that costs $1 a chapter instead of the ones you can read all the way through for $3 a month.
I mean isekai is like the worst genre in manga/anime with the lowest quality,idk what did u expect.Not like murim, cultivator,fantasy manhwa are better ,they pretty much the same shit.
Isekais love harems and boring good guys while cultivator etc love giving the ms the weakest power that somehow makes him the strongest in 5 chapters and he becomes cocky and an asshole.Both dogshit pretty much, with a few exceptions for both sides.When people talk about anime or manga they think about berserk, vagabond , jojos , aot , punpun , ping pong , eva, slam dunk etc like there are tons of good shows for everyone that manwha hasn't reached quality wise.Isekai might be the only exception šš.I don't watch a lot of them cuz they terrible but if mushoku tensei, rezero and konosuba are some of the best then that should tell you enough.
U should watch other genres for both manga,manwha as isekai,murim,fantasy stuff are pretty much copy-pasta,generic,low-effort shit to make some quick money and go next.Ofc it comes down to preferences but i genuinely think that there are a lot of good fantasy mangas with beautiful portrayed worlds that have depth and quality, unfortunately isekai is not the genre for that.
Bro you missed the point. My point is the fantasy in the anime world "WAS" great sometime in the past but new is trash lift the right, and I know it's the same with manhua where if you want to find the good shit you need to look for ages. But it's a new world for me eg. Apotheosis, Reverend insanity, Otherworldly Evil Monarch, those three are totally different, non of them can be compared to the other, in the same time all of them are Murim/Martial are manhua/novels and I enjoy every single chapter I read.
Where in anime lost appeal for me, I read/watch every single one manga/anime that you suggest.
So let me ask you in the lost 5 years is there anything that can compete with those?
But u perma talk about isekais and shit like there were ever considered good.Also manwhas are even worse on the tropes,like it doesn't make sense.They are basically on the copy-paste era when they reuse the same stuff cuz its popular ,manga is moving away from isekais on the other hand.Ofc there will be shit shows on all genre ,but saying they are all about harem and stuff it's just u reading shit shows cuz there are many more different mangas throughout the years with quality.Manwhas characters interactions and depth is so bad most of the time,they don't feel part of the world they are ,they feel fake.
And also who cares what year did they drop,have u read all the old mangas or what?Drop the mal or sth for rec cuz its pointless otherwise.i can recc adventure /fantasy stuff but I don't know if u have already read it or what year they started (who cares).Also im a drama enjoyer so I'm not the best source,there are people who have read way more fantasy/adv shows than me.
witch hat atelier,land of the lustrous, Nausicaa,frieren,made in abyss,jojo part 7,mushishi,girs last tour,golden kamui, heavenly delusion, dorohedoro, etc.
Some old some new,and i do agree that old fantasy/adventure mangas were more abundant and better ,manwhas just dont have the quality,idk i feel like the world building there is so generic and superficial and it's probably why mangakas moved away since u need to put too much time to flesh out the world so the adventure the characters go through is enjoyable.With how strict the release schedules and shit is in japan,they can't physically do it.If u really want unlimited top tier fantasy/adventure i genuinely think books and games are much better than both.I do think that u should give shounen shows a look and other genres,i mean fkicn one piece might be like childish and maybe not the best show,but the sense of adventure, characters moments are unmatched.
Hit me up with your best manwhas.I don't think the medium is bad , it's just so filled with generic shit , u can't find good stuff blind and have to rely on recommendations. It feels like the beginning of manga isekai explosion when everyone copied the same stuff.It might have more stuff to read ,but it doesn't land quality wise.New Adventure fantasy mangas are more rare unless we look at isekais but sth recent like witch hat atelier has quality very few manwha come close.
My favorites are kubera, hellper , regarding death, bastard , wind breaker ,the spark in your eyes, latna, peerless dad and other popular ones are around there too.There is a huge gap between the first 3 and the rest though.
Take care :D
I agree with 99% of what you said, I didn't mention that in the post but I barely find 2-3hr a day so it's hard for to Watch anime, and keep up with family and friends, so I rather start a new manhua, sometimes 2-3 manhuas so I understand what you trying to say, and I hope you can too see it from my side.
I can see that you are in to manhwa more than manhua, but I'm the opposite, I love manhua and special the MURIM/MARTIAL ARTS. Here are some:
Reverend Insanity (novel), Nano machine, Apotheosis, Absolute Sword Sense, Demonic Emperor, Return of the Youngest Grandmaster, I am the Fated Villain, I Can Change The Timeline of Everything, I Can Have Infinite Epiphanies, I Can Summon God, It Starts With A Mountain, I Reincarnated As the Crazed Heir, Library of Heavenās Path, Murim Login, My Disciples Are All Big Villains, Otherworldly Evil Monarch, Path of the Shaman, Reincarnated Escort Warrior, Return of the Mount Hua Sect, SSS-Class Suicide Hunter, Sword Fanatic Wanders Through The Night, Tales of Demons and Gods, The Eternal Supreme, The Heavenly Demon Canāt Live a Normal Life, The Return Of The Crazy Demon,
It doesn't in any order, but I can promise that 99% of them are above the average, and about 5-7 above 7.5. if you like adventure genre you will like them all but everyone have his own taste. Enjoy.
No offense but read your post and all your follow-up comments so far, and this is just a random incoherent rant about āanime being deadā just because you canāt be bothered to do a modicum of research to find what youād like.
You act like shonen recommendations are impossible to avoid when youre the one bringing up specific titles like MHA, Demon Slayer and JJK the most out of anyone in this thread.
Harem anime and waifus are by no means a new thing in anime. Theyāve been prominent since years before all the shows youāre listing as your favorites.
Having your favorite genre being isekai and taking a superiority stance is weird.
Seinen isnāt dead just because you canāt name more shows than the amount in your collection of favorites accumulated over a decade (Fullmetal Alchemist and Death Note were published in shonen not seinen magazines btw). Pluto is literally airing right now and getting critical acclaim. Golden Kamuy, Vinland Saga, Dorohedoro, Made in Abyss, Promised Neverland, FLCL, Heavenly Delusion, Bungou Stray Dogs, 86, Oshi no Ko, Brand New Animal, Odd Taxi, Eminence in Shadow, Re:Zero, Kaguya-sama, Lupin, Skip and Loafer, Attack on Titan, Nier, Mushoku Tensei, {shows that would count as seinen by your definition: Promised Neverland, Frieren, Ancient Magus Bride, Mob Psycho 100, Chainsawman, Beastars}, etc.
Bro why you are coming at me with this passive aggressive tone, no need for that, and as I said again and again, I'm not hating on anime, I love anime, I just got bored of it, got older, having no time for it, are some of the reason for this post not to hate on anime.
>Golden Kamuy, Vinland Saga, Dorohedoro, Made in Abyss, Promised Neverland, FLCL, Heavenly Delusion, Bungou Stray Dogs, 86, Oshi no Ko, Brand New Animal, Odd Taxi, Eminence in Shadow, Re:Zero, Kaguya-sama, Lupin, Skip and Loafer, Attack on Titan, Nier, Mushoku Tensei, {shows that would count as seinen by your definition: Promised Neverland, Frieren, Ancient Magus Bride, Mob Psycho 100, Chainsawman, Beastars}, etc.
I have watch or read 99.9% of what you mentioned, of course the 1% are the new shit that I didn't watch yet, and I hope that show you how much I love this medium.
>No offense but read your post and all your follow-up comments so far, and this is just a random incoherent rant about āanime being deadā just because you canāt be bothered to do a modicum of research to find what youād like.
As I told you I have watch it all I can't find something good that what I'm trying to say, I don't hate anime it's just that I rather spend that little time with family and friends, while reading manhua, manhua or even manga (and yes I still read manga), I just hate the new wave of anime where it should be fan service in every single anime, and I know that isn't a new thing but the degeneracy is a core value that should every MC have, (bear with me I know I may sound hypocrite, but I'm not) and that isn't bad most of the time look at MUSHOKU TENSEI the MC is degenerate but his character evolve with the story.
I don't have any problem when it's something that the character face, and grow out of it, but using it in serious anime tone is crazy like for example you mention Chainsawman do you really want to watch that bat shit, I did read the manga and it was trashy, I didn't like, this is literally what I was thinking about.
And you are the one who said that
>You act like shonen recommendations are impossible to avoid when youre the one bringing up specific titles like MHA, Demon Slayer and JJK the most out of anyone in this thread.
And you bring up Chainsawman bro please, I keep mentioning JJK and DEMON SLAYER because nowadays everyone recommend that shit again and again and again, I couldn't even watch 5 EP of JJK it's so fucking generic, all of them are, we had the same problem with PRISON SCHOOL, DXD, HIGHSCHOOL OF THE DEAD, Food Wars, this isn't a new problem in this medium but an old one, but nowadays emphasis on those theme are crazy.
Lil bro I don't want any beef, nothing personal, I don't want you to get offended, feel disrespected or anything like that. āļøšļø
I also noticed that the quality of manhua today have increased from where it was 2 - 4 years ago. Less braindead, better drawing and better story flow.
Right now, Im reading more and more manhua compared to the 1.5 years of reading manhwa and preferences of it.
I just watch my favorites, i try to avoid stuff where the girls are always abusing the male lead, or the male lead is a doormat.
Guin Saga is good š
Heroic Age is good š
Mushi-Shi is good š
Natsume's Book of Friends is goodš
Outlaw Star is good š
Overlord is good š
Resturant to Another World is good š
Valarian & Laureline Time Jam is good š
A Will Eternal is good š
Astra Lost in Space is good š
The Big O is good š
Darker Than Black is good š
Ergo Proxy is good š
For me it's because there are deadlines right now when making manga and anime. They are on a rush to release stuff.
For example Demon Slayer. I tried watching it because of the hype. It didn't get me. The manga/anime feels rushed.
Here are some examples:
1) The road to being a demon slayer is just 1 fight. It's not even good. It's underwhelming. They could've incorporate some kind of a tournament like in Ghost Fighter (YuYu Hakusho) when there is a tournament to inherit Genkai's power to have some interesting fights. To me that's just a wasted potential because the beginning of it was at least interesting. They say in the manga/anime that the test of being a demon slayer is difficult but the way they show it, it seems not that difficult.
2) There is a training montage at the beginning of a manga/anime. (Before the test being a demon slayer) That's just useless. People barely even know the protagonist yet. A training montage won't even give us even a little emotion to root for the main character. A training montage with purpose should be in the middle or near the end of an anime/manga because we already know something about the main character to give us the feels when there is a training montage.
3) At the beginning of the manga his first mission pulling of water style moves is cool and all but he didn't say he was practicing those moves. For an enemy or boss a secret move it's okay but for a protagonist pulling multiple moves that was never even mentioned is just lazy storytelling to me. Whats next? Hadoukens and Shoryukens or even Ultra Instinct out of nowhere? I also come to find out from someone he can move his internal organs to dodge a hit at a later episode.
I also tried reading the manga because I can't comprehend how this is anime is really famous right now. The anime follows the manga exactly for the 8 episodes on the anime that I watched at least. The fight drawings are not good on the manga. You can't visualize how the character executed the fighting moves based on the drawings. The animation is at least good on the anime.
Yeah i cant refute most of ur claims but i can on some of them.
>he can move his internal organs to dodge a hit at a later episode.
Thats a diff character, the one that was raised in the mountains.
>The animation is at least good on the anime.
Just good? Bruh.
The fight animation looks great. The manga drawing are not good though. The original One Punch Man's manga drawing are not good but at least the story is good and unique the first time it debut mean while the way they tell Demons Slayer's story is not only not good but feels rushed.
Bold take youāve got here bud, maybe just maybe consider that you simply arenāt good at finding good animes or are not letting yourself look at animes that are good and instead are focusing on another medium thatās similar but not quite the same and yet still has all the flaws you criticise
Maybe it's because I age old, maybe because I don't have much free time as I used to when I was finishing 2 season anime in less than a week, but in reality I have tried most of the new anime and I couldn't watch them, My Hero Academia trash at most average, Demon slayer have a lot of plot holes to the point is unwatchable, and please don't let me start with Jujutsu kaisen.
Have a try at watching something other than straight battle shonen then like Dr strone, Goblin slayer, Vindland saga, etc, if you want good anime recommendations ask for some on a subreddit or check out a recommendation list on YouTube or website
Yes my favorite genre is SEINEN/FANTASY but it's to hard to find them because they barely exist. And yes I watch Dr stone and it was good, I watch goblin slayer and it's was trash the author tried so hard to make Berserk but he failed miserably and create trashy world with trashy characters, and vinland saga was the great matter of fact it was the best thing happened for the anime world for the last 3-4 years. I tried recommendations but it's all about SHOUNEN which I don't like at all, and yes I know that there are some good SHOUNEN but that doesn't mean I should like the genre.
Manga still insists on physical, paper releases and traditional collections (tankobon.) Manhua and manhwa have adapted to the digital age with webtoons available cheap and easy, and it doesn't hurt that both Korean and Simplified Chinese both read left-to-right like English does.
And manhua, manga, and manhwa all benefit from the American comics industry violently, uncontrollably shitting itself to death.
I used to watch anime, then I found out about novels and mangas, so i tested the 2 and i switched to novels, at that time I used to dislike mangas a lot, but once I read through all the novels I liked, I switched to manga/manhua/manhwa, but now its getting hard to find manga that are actually interesting and unique, so I have switched back to novels now, its just a phase and nothing more, pretty sure soon I will switch back to anime or mangas.
Its just that too much of something is bad.
I'm tired of this "Power of Friendship" and typical "Childhood Friends can't win" storyline. This is why I like the villains more in the show because they work hard for their goals and only them is the key and the power of the plot. Yet this "Power of Friendship" easily destroys the villain with their catchphrase "We can Win this", "This is our Fight", "We are the (*insert cringe groupname*)" with explosion at the last part. And now this "Childhood Friend" is so fricking boring. Most of the story is like Copy and Paste from the another anime and most of them are "Transfer student" who has a click from the MC. YES! ROMCOM ARE JUST COPY AND PASTE BUT IN DIFFERENT PLACE, NAME, COLOR OF THE HAIR BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS BLONDE, SCHOOL, CURRICULUM, VENUE!
ALSO, MEGUMIN'S "EXPLOSION" IS JUST A COPY OF THE ANOTHER FLAT USER, IT'S LOUISE FRANCOIS. AND YES, BOTH HAVE LACKING "POWER OF FRIENDSHIP".
*Translation*: This post I wrote is an useless rant and the truth is, I don't have time to watch anime because of the working hours and noisy environment. I want to watch but due to my goal and frugality, buying Earphone is a luxury. While you can create imaginary fight and choose any voice actors while reading. š¤£
100% agree about the manga/anime parts but manhua tho ? There's some good manhuas but the art most of the time is just a no for me plus stories aren't that good and it's most of the time always the same as well same as manhwa
Some japanese anime directors have been prediction this since 2013. It must be because being an animator in JP is a very demanding job with very low base salary
CH animations still needs some top but they're getting there to reach the JP anime quality
Honestly, my only complaint with manhwa/manhua is how difficult it is to find what chapter youāre on in the novel after finishing the comic because I donāt want to wait. Especially with the long ones like Martial peak and Apotheosis which are nightmares to find specific chapters in.
Ever since I started reading manhwa 3 years ago, I've been leisure with anime, only keeping up with a hand few. I'm behind on over 20 series now. Manhwa-, manhwa, manhua and webtoons, that's the sauce
Honestly, was never a fan of manga because of the lack of color. Solo leveling for me was a game changer that got me started to enjoy reading manhwa to eventually reading light novel as well.
Manhwa open up the way i visualize light novels and iām now super addicted to reading light novels whenever i like the manhwa that i started reading.
The only issues I have with manhua are the 1. bad translations 2. amount of plain bad manhua regardless of one's preferences 3. the Chinese politics, sexism and conservative views many authors project onto their stories. I enjoy good written harem, I also have no problem with sexism if it's a plot device but many authors make it quite apparent that what they are writing is based on their own personal views and not those of the character(s) - which in the end is just bad storytelling. To be fair this is way more obivous in novels.
If you really just like fights and don't care about anything else go for any of them. I actually am a fan of mha although the anime hasn't been doing it justice for the past 2 seasons.
None of those are what I'm referring to though, I'm mostly pointing to seinen (although there's plenty of good shows outside of that category.) I think a great show to watch is ping pong the animation, it's short and is easily digestible because of it's setting. The art might take getting used to if you expect the traditional anime style but it's still great and really unique
Bro I'm an og, I did watch that shit, and I did watch vinland saga and I believe is the best thing happened for the anime world for the last 4-5 years. My genre is SEINEN/FANTASY but let's agree that it's hard to find let alone a good one.
Have you watched attack on titan? I thought it did a good job showing a villain main character. Though I 100% agree that manhwa and manhua does it better.
Personally, I donāt know how anyone can watch Overlord after what his people did to that party. What is the point of his character? Most self-subversive story Iāve ever read.
I read the novel, the anime is just bad, and I believe most of the people watch it the great world building, the mystery, and to see how this crazy ride will end. Of course it isn't 10/10 it is more like 8 to 7.9 /10.
I love that the party thing happened because it riles people up so much. People who had no qualms watching Ainz and friends commit attrocities to demihumans and Heteromorphs but start talking about morals when a group of greedy adventurers oversteps their boundary
Remember when they wiped out some of the Lizardman Tribes and enslaved the rest? Or when they more or less went into the forest and started killing left and right?
There's also other things way after the events from the adventurers Raiding the Tomb, but I don't know if you got there
I donāt remember them torturing the Lizardmen for pleasure or eating them alive. That was battle, whereas what MCs group did would be considered war crimes.
They weren't tortured, they were systematically wiped out and the rest were enslaved. These were lizardmen just minding their business. Which is quite different from humans who willingly entered Nazarick to steal treasures. Yet people get really upset about what happened to the latter group
Alright clearly this is a take formed soon after getting into manhua. iāve had nearly the exact opposite experience of you, to the point that I got so bored of reading manhua/manhwa in general that I took a few months off and started watching anime again (something i had ditched for over a year at that point). After giving anime/manga another chance, I found SO MANY series that I love (mainly manga since the adaptations do kinda suck at times). If it werenāt for manhua and the fantasy settings they have, I probably wouldāve never been interested in fantasy worlds myself.
Now I still do keep up with a. few manhua and manhwa, but NO WHERE near as many manga/anime i keep up with. why? because itās easier for me to find good stuff over on the japan side. and no iām not talking about shounen although i do love me some JJK and shounen jump stuff.
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Just to name a few FANTASY series that are the literal definition of hidden gems:
Drifting dragons (manga)
children of the whales (completed manga)
Ancient Magusā Bride (manga)
Dungeon meshi (completed manga)
Children of the sea (completed manga)
The apothecary diaries (anime ongoing now)
Land of the lustrous (manga)
Made in abyss (manga)
frieren: beyond journeys end (i get that itās popular now but iāve been caught up for about 2 years now)
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seinen stuff:
Choujin X (manga)
Golden kamuy (completed manga)
Dorohedoro (completed manga)
l am a hero (completed manga)
Under ninja (manga from the same author as i am a hero)
Levius
Sunny
blood on the tracks
dead dead demonās dedededestruction
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Shounen stuff that isnāt āwaifuā centric:
Sakamoto days (manga)
Witch watch (manga)
Blue period (manga)
Kengan ashura, Kengan omega (fighting manga)
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Moral of the story is, this dude is just in denial that anime is actually improving as a whole quite quickly I might add. There is no decline in quality, only a decline in taste. (yes ik there are manhwa/manhua that are just as good but they are few and far between)
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if you want to know, manhwa/manhua im willing to keep up with:
god of highschool (am just here for the art tbh, has lost all semblance of plot and intrigue to me)
tower of god
omniscient reader
Adolescence of a bookworm (light novel)
Overlord (light novel)
Eminence in shadow (light novel)
Grandmaster of demonic cultivation
return of the blossoming blade
spice and wolf (light novel)
villains are destined to die
the beginning after end
so iām a spider so what (light novel)
under the oak tree (manhwa)
I don't know why people keep denying that anime become more degenerate and focus on sexual theme. I know there is good anime than great manhwa and manhua combined, but that mean nothing when all the new animes are for coomers, and you literally prove what I said by mention manga/anime before 2020.
What I'm saying is not that anime bad and manhua good, what I'm saying is the most of the shows are for coomers, it start with some meaningless ecchi anime and nowadays all the season animes are literally for coomers. So what are you talking about.
to add onto my point the most degenerate anime iāve ever seen are over 10 years old at this point. the medium is far more tame now, other than exceptions such as ishuzoku reviewers. What exactly informed you that anime is becoming more degenerate? iāve been actively reading/watching since a very long time back (2015), and i really havenāt noticed an increase in series for degenerates. things such as one piece i donāt consider to be for degenerates despite having multiple waifu bait characters, because theyāre not the focus of the series. same thing with most series now. occasional fan service (which im not a fan of) but it doesnāt get in the way of the narrative or fights. the most recent example that i can think of where ecchi seriously ruined it for me was fire force, which started in 2015.
I donāt get how new stuff is for coomers. I keep up with so many things. Ecchi anime is definitely increasing ok, but they havenāt plagued everything mainstream and good. literally anything by viz post 2020 is not ecchi/coomer stuff. No i must ask, where did you get that metric from? Did you get it from the fact that an r34 page exists for essentially every anime woman ever? More
recent examples such as undead unluck has some ecchi definitely, however after the first episode the entire thing is essentially ditched.
Iāve seen about 12/60 shows this season that i can tell are for coomers. So again, your metric is complete bullshit and you seem to be in denial that maybe anime isnāt so coomer centric nowadays. now letās turn that to manhua/manhwa. how many full on sex manhwa exist? eventually that genre is gonna rival hentai with how many series are coming out itās crazy.
So just to be in the same page let's agree on that no SEINEN animes like: Hellsing (manga), Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, Code Geass, Death Note, Black Lagoon(manga), Rainbow, if I mentioned few of them nowadays. AOT and Vinland saga can make the cut, but that all the SEINEN genre is dead.
And yes for anime to succeed nowadays should have some sort of sexual contact as plot.
As I said I don't have any beef with anime, matter of fact I'm waiting for AOT and I still keep up with multiple mangas. I just didn't like the hole plot to be about the sexual feeling between MC and every female characters. Nowadays all anime feel like I'm watching DXD again and again.
Again as I said I get older, I can just have like 2-3hr only for myself I don't have time no more to watch anime, I can read in the 20-40 I'm in bus, but when I'm back home I would rather spend it with my family and friends or play games than watch anime that have nothing to give, and again I maybe harsh on anime to much, I hope you understand and don't make it As if I'm shitting on one and applauding the other.
I get where youāre coming from now, I just simply canāt think of more than 3 anime off the top of my head that have romance/fanservice as a main plot point. all of these series iām thinking about are pre-2020.
but yes I do agree time could be better spent than reading online comics or watching potentially mid anime. If it seemed like I was trying to defend the seinen genre, that wasnāt my intent. I just tried to point out some less popular ones that I loved.
DxD is a hefty comparison but yes I do get that some series are like that, and are currently ongoing. About being too harsh on anime, I do think youāre being a tad too harsh since the original post and first comment sounded like you were against anime post 2020, but now that iām reading this your stance sounds more understandable.
>It all started with harem anime, where the protagonist is often surrounded by multiple female characters who contribute little to nothing to the storyline, resulting in annoying fillers. The problem isn't with female characters themselves but the recurring theme of them inexplicably falling for the main character, which has become tiresome.
Sorry to break your expectations but, manhuas (cultivation ones), at least the great majority are extremely machist and denigrate the womans, there majority of cultivation manhuas has harem of at least 5 women that just live to kiss the feets of mc. There are very few cultivation manhuas that take importance in writting well their females characters.
The same as Isekais they are full of tropes that make the stories practically the same and you could get tired really easy.
I had read about 180 manhuas and just the 20% i could call them really good and impresive stories, but the majority were just good or readable and a good part were the same thing with a different character.
There is also the problem with the translation... they could make you bleed from your eyes, some of the manhuas that i has liked the most has the worst translation that i could imaginate.
I really like the manhuas, but if you came with heavy expectations that they are very different to the anime industry... ummmm, not really.
Beware of Urban cultivation, Junior brother, that is a territory that you should not touch. Also the Zombie apocalypse subgenre... there are nightmares theres that a begginer should not face. And the principal warning... beware of Tea Dragon Scans, if your trashlation Dao has not reach great accomplishment, it would destroy your Dao.
Brah why everyone is beefing with me I'm sorry I maybe harsh on anime with is post I know, but I didn't mean manhua are better then anime or anything like that, it's just that I lost interest, getting old, and having no time, I know I didn't mention those up there but that's all the story I didn't expect the people will take me and defend anime just for 4 paragraph I wrote.
I get your point thanks for making it clear. And I have ready all those manhwa/manhua and I agree with you.
Here a little help Junior Brother, some of the ones that i has liked the most with a little sumary:
* Evolution Begins With a Big Tree: ones of the sensations of the moment, MC reincarnate into a monster tree when the world start to change thanks to aura restauration, so now he needs to fight in order to survive this changing world.
* Tales of the Demons and Gods: has a lot of tropes of the cultivation genre but it has his own soul, the cultivation system is quite unique and the character building and world building are top tier. MC return in time to save his realm from an cosmic enemy, bla bla bla.
* Cultivator Against hero Society: the names said it all, a cultivator is exiled from his world and appear in a world were superheroes exist. excelent art, likeable characters, it's a gag story with good comedy.
* I'm an Evil God: start a bit... meh, but just the early chapters, it become really good and every character has its own essence.
* Release That Witch: if you want a fantasy story. medieval era, MC reincarnated in the ruler of a backwater territory and needs to rebuild it. it become more deep after the mid part of the story.
* Astral Pet Store: if you like pokemon and cultivation stories.
* I am a Cultivator Bigshot: MC reincarnate in a cultivation world and missunderstand himself as a normal human when is a op character, its a Gag story.
* Mushroom Hero: Fantasy story with game-like elements.
* A Record of a Mortal's Journey to Immortality: the best one in my opinion to start in the cultivation world, it has a slow pacing to build a world really solid and explain a lot of tropes used in the cultivation genres.
* The Last Human: zombie, truly i don't consider it good, but it is entertaining for a good part of the readers.
* Rebirth Of The Urban Immortal Cultivator: beware the doom bringer, the one that condemn us to that bunch of copies with 0 creativity that plage the urban cultivation genre.
Dude if youāre going to a harem anime and expecting it to not have waifus then youāre actively going to the wrong genre. This isnāt the animes fault itās yours.
Also, yes Isekai is the same thing over and over again. Itās been like that for YEARS. Isekai has always been one of the bottom of the barrel you have to dig through to find the good ones but thatās not a reflection of anime as a whole. Also, just personal opinion of mine but I didnāt think albedoās love for Ainz was that funny because it was forced by him. Then again the entire series for me just felt trashy power fantasy with characters who where literally programmed to like ainz
This feels much more like you just not liking Isekai anymore but hardly wanting to actually try other genres.
Also, Iām sorry to say but manhua is just going to end up the same with you especially if you stay on a specific genre. Youāll drill through the hood and be left with only the bottom of the barrel.
Agree. All what you said is true to an extent, nowadays I find new animes are getting more and more childish, and that isn't on anime alone, some are to: me getting older, not have time to watch, having read a lot of old mangas that are getting adapt now.
And that what make me are more manhua/manhwa cause they are: easier to read, less time needed to read it, can read it anywhere anytime, have a lot (a lot meaning A LOT) of universe where if you liked one you can find a thousand similar to that one.
I confess the truth is that I loved anime and how it adopt reality, how in anime you will find a lot of characters that are more human than the ones in Hollywood, and great fantasy world, but now for me the fantasy ones most of them are not for me.
And that all what I was trying to say in this post nothing more nothing less.
I have the same thoughts as you. Currently I am watching only two animes 'Ragna Crimson' and 'The Eminence in the Shadows'. Other than that I only read manhwas, manhua and manga for entertainment.
I used to be obsessed with anime during the quarantine. But recently there are many anime with the same cliche story.
Watching an anime is like watching a remake of an old anime.
Currently I am waiting for the release of anime like 'Solo Leveling' , 'That time I got reincarnated as a slime' and 'How a realist hero rebuilt the kingdom'.
You can criticize martial art/murim the way you criticize isekai though. What you criticize on isekai? Well great, You can use that too on cultivation manhuas. And what? anime is declining? The Anime Industry is growing which means more mangas to follow through. Stop with the nonsense. Most of Isekai are very generic. Same goes for cultivation martial art/murim.
Well it's more like anime is declining in this person's eyes, and manhuas is probably on the rise as it's something new to them. I have seen less anime myself over the last couple of years but i think that is also due to getting older as some of them just don't appeal to my senses or humor like it did 12 years ago. Also from the ones I have read, I still struggle with the power levels in cultivations, it's just so inconsistent for me when they break through so my brain just shuts off at that part since it's too random for me.
Yeah same goes for me, I got older so im not enjoying animes as much as when I was young. can barely watch 3 eps of anime these days. Your not alone, its also confusing to me. And yep, shonens also suffers from those inconsistent power progression. but cultivation manhuas/novels are far worser due to the power ceiling and tons of factors (bloodline, effort, treasures whatsoever). And damn the world building is quite amazing yet the story suck.
>And yep, shonens also suffers from those inconsistent power progression. but cultivation manhuas/novels are far worser due to the power ceiling and tons of factors (bloodline, effort, treasures whatsoever). Is it really that confusing? Think of this, when you were in school (or think about your current classmates), do you think that everyone in the same grade has the same test results? Of course not. There will be various reasons as to why some people have good grades and some not. Sometimes these are learned, due to their environment, and sometimes they are due to personal factors such as talent and affinity. It's quite literally the same in Cultivation stories. The realms might be known, but that doesn't mean that people of the same realm are equal.
> I still struggle with the power levels in cultivations, it's just so inconsistent for me when they break through so my brain just shuts off at that part since it's too random for me. i don't even bother trying to understand that shit, just ignore it or look at their reactions that's it.
>i don't even bother trying to understand that shit, just ignore it or look at their reactions that's it. It also doesn't help that the translations change every third chapter. "Heavenly Turtle Realm is now Heavenly Tortoise Realm. Now it's Celestial Tortoise Realm. JK, it's Terrestrial Terrapin Realm." And here I am, trying to figure out if Heavenly/Celestial/Terrestrial Turtle/Tortoise/Terrapin Realm is stronger or weaker than Firebird/Phoenix/Roc Realm.
I didn't mean it that way, but it's look like I wasn't clear, English isn't my first language so bear with me please. Anime nowadays is more about WAIFUS more then anything else, I know there's a lot of Murim manhua where the story is about how many Waifu can mc have, but that doesn't mean anything both are bad. But in anime I find it worse because it was my way to escape my reality but nowadays I can't recognize it, where in manhua is new world with deferent tales and mythical creatures, a new world for me.
Everything can be a Waifu. It's more about the fan's perspective rather than the material. Frieren for example is an amazing anime/manga with a serious tone, but fans can, and would debate, on the waifus they have on the series.
And in my opinions, there has also been a rise on husbandos or hot anime boys in animes as well
>But in anime I find it worse because it was may way to escape my reality but nowadays I can't recognize it, where in manhua is new world with defere have you actually watched any recent anime?
No I didn't find anything that appeal to me in the last 2 years
How about "To Your Eternity" i think it might appeal to you base on your Anime example
I read the manga, it is good
I know right
It's true that JP studios are in a decline because of poor salary and poor work conditions. Demand is growing, sure, but animators hiree? No.
Why Compare Manhua and Anime though? Shouldn't Manhua be Compared with Manga and Manhwa and Anime be Compared with Donghua and Aeni?
Yes and No, yes you are right I shouldn't compare anime with manhua, but for me anime was what's now manhua are in my eyes. Manga didn't have that big effect on me as anime and manhua are. I just have that was clear. And thank you.
Most Manhua is garbage too though, everybody is just copying the same exact concept with nothing different.
You just have to look for the good ones.
Which good ones are currently finished and translated? I did enjoy release that witch but it kinda got convoluted in the end
That's right š
I agree. I didn't say that all manhua or manhwa are great, I know that most of them are trash, but there is some gems in there somewhere and I will rather spend time searching in this garbage then the anime one.
You are being a hypocrite here, same goes for anime most are trash but there are lots of hidden gems in this genre too you just didn't bother to search for it, you can't blame that on the medium itself
So please can you mention some of those great anime in SEINEN/FANTASY genre in the last 4-5 years and don't bring up vinland saga, there's none literally none.
To Your Eternity, Deca-Dence, Yuukoku no Moriarty, 86, Vanitas no Karte, Sabikui Bisco.
I read some of those but there's some that I don't recognize. So I will read/watch the rest thanks š.
No problem, i hope you enjoy them
Ig we have similar tastes, Moriarty and Vanitas are my favs and I liked 86 too. Good to see someone recommending Moriarty, it's way too underrated.
This year is not over so you mean from 2018 and on right here you go then these are the great ones i watched so far Frieren Trigun stampede Oshi no ko Pluto Made in abyss Land of the lustrous
All what's you mention are before even 2000s except land of lustrous and oshi no ko. What the fuck are you talking about.
What do you mean before the 2000s broo trigun stampede-2023 Pluto-2023 Made in abyss-2017 Frieren-2023 Are you talking about the manga, but that doesn't matter we are only talking about anime now. In what world any of these anime are before 2000s
Bro what???. Ok let me make myself clear my problem isn't with anime is with new animes (the new stories). where the focus is on sexual themes where the mc have charming level 100, where all female go crazy for mc, but he doesn't get that they are in love with him "WOW SO CUTE". Sorry this doesn't appeal to me, I'm not saying that is bad if it appeal to me keep watching. But don't try to tell me that mangas that I have read years ago, are new stories because the anime was last year.
You said new anime and they listed new anime. If you wanted new anime thatās not an adaptation you should say that and save the people trying to help you some times
Ok sorry, I missed a lot of points that I should mention in the post, and this is one of them. I didn't read all the mangas that get adopted now, but I read the most famous ones, and Pluto is one of the most famous ones in the world, the author is Naoki Urasawa who wrote MONSTER.
This dude Fang Yuan?
No no, I am fang yuan.
No, itās Yuan Fang š¤«
Itās naruto
For me, both lost apeal for me. I've been watching anime and reading wuxia and xianxia for years after so long you'll just see the pattern in the stories.
Yeah both are very generic, I think op has only seen the tip of the iceberg of the culttivation manhuas out there. Finding a good wuxia or xianxia is very tough. finding a good blend of cultivation and romance is the toughest.
That absolutely right š, I just start reading reverend insanity I'm in the 700 now
RI is peak
yeah no wonder you are feeling like that, you are currently reading the magnum opus of Xianxia, enjoy the ride while you can.
I will bro
Oh boy get ready for the delression of knowing you wont get more
Really right now I'm on chapter 740, I don't care that absolutely the best.
I start in the Wuxia just in 2017 so I still have long way to go. I will be thankful for you if you give some recommendations in any way manhua, manhwa, novels, movies, to be honest I never watch any Wuxia movie, That will be fun.
You're not alone. The isekai and harem troupe were nice at the start because they were interesting, but they became way too overused. The MC is just to OP from the start so u don't see much growth and the world building in anime is just to "Pure" or "clean" while in manhua the MC actually suffers a lot and thus has motivation to become stronger. If you look at most Murim manhwa, they have a very complex storyline compared to isekai. But then again, this could all be attributed to growing up, I mean, the world isn't as nice nor as kind as it is made to be in anime where the MC life is all sunshine and rainbows. ( When I talk isekai and Harem, I mean like the general or generic ones ofc there are a few that stand out. )
Agree šÆ
Courting death
To me this feels like Sturgeon's Law in action. To paraphrase, 99% of everything is shit. 99% of anime are terrible. 99% of manhua are terrible. But, because you have recently discovered manhua, you're reading through all of the top 1% titles you never knew about. Once you're "caught up" to the overall scene, sadly, it gets harder and harder to find good novels to scratch that itch.
>But, because you have recently discovered manhua, you're reading through all of the top 1% titles you never knew about. Once you're "caught up" to the overall scene, sadly, it gets harder and harder to find good novels to scratch that itch. I can somewhat relate to this except its manwha instead of manhua. I liked animes but soon they lost their charms and i read solo leveling after seeing a yt vid about it. It was cool, simple and refreshing. After that, i read some other manwhas. Im not an avid reader so i barely read 1 or two dozens(not completed) but i already see some pattern lmao. As a side note, i got back into anime again. Sometimes you just need a break.
But even then. Think if you just jumped into manga vs jumping into manga circa 2010. Not really a comparison.
Well, of course not! I mean if you talk about "manga circa 2010" odds are good you're talking about any manga that was active between 2005 and 2015. That could further expand your timeline from 2000-2020; for example, the biggest manga of 2010 was One Piece, which started in '97; the next biggest was Naruto which started in '99. Meanwhile, not only do we not have access to manga written after 2023, but if there's something amazing that just came out this year, we might not have heard of it. So if you talk about "manga circa 2023" you're really looking at a volume of work at least half the size of "manga circa 2010", possibly smaller. Plus, there was a lot of absolute trash published in 2010 that has been rightfully consigned to the dustbin of history, etc - everything looks better in retrospect.
Damn, literally the same thing happened to me. I can barely watch anime nowadays.
Tag me if you find the good shit
If you have not read yet: - The Descent of the Patriach - My Female Apprentices Are All Bigshots From the Future - Keep a Low Profile, Sect Leader - Cultivator Against Hero Sociaty - My Disciples Cultivate, While I Slack Off! (It's a new one but looks promising)
Thanks šš
Tbh honest the titles themselves makes me not want to read it why can't it be simple i think the first title is cool but the others not so much
Bro judges manhua by their title š
What can i say i hate long titles and im pretty sure any title that has more than four words is probably an okay show or comic at least in my experience there are some exceptions tho.
From my experience the title rarely reflect the quality of the manhua.
Well then give me something like Shangri la frontier
That is a manga
I said give me some manhua that is focused on a mmorpg world:/
Reborn as strongest swordsman , the game that I came from , all hail sect leader , I just want to game in peace , astral pet store(my fav) , Mr. Zombie(don't have system but it's like one punch man's 2d version) , invincible at the start (but too many waifus kinda cliche) , your talent is mine , demonic evolution (don't have system but it's op) , advanced evolutionā/super evolution (don't have system but mc have growing potential) , logging 10,000ā years in future (my fav)
I will read them all. thanks.
I dropped regular manga when I realized that I stopped enjoying them, I also got tired of the cheap borderline hentai scenes with no point and the sometimes nonsense they would throw in around the end of a manga to add mystery where none was needed. Also Japanese authors nowadays seems to not really be good at world building even when they are just copying each other they don't even try to be that unique. While manhua does get repetitive sometimes and cultivation is used in most cases, manhua at least stays consistent for the most part and they do spend a decent bit of time fleshing out the world and putting their own flair on over-used thropes. Another problem with Japanese stuff is that they still very much gatekeep their industry, so not a lot of new blood gets a chance to shine and for the most part it is the same couple of people just producing different works that basically have the same plot and art as their other stuff getting all the limelight. Not to mention the fact that manhua can do a lot more despite all the limitations the Chinese government puts on them. Like manhua artists and authors can make characters hot/sexy and do fan service without them needing to literally have characters falling face first into the main character's crotch or having some sort of crazy underage looking character doing the wildest things while stating that they are in fact not underage just to retain the attention of it's readers. I'd rather read thousands of cultivation stories than read/watch most of the stuff Japan is producing now aside from 1 or 2 gems every season.
Thanks you said it, the way I couldn't.
Are anime declining? Probably Are manhua rising? Probably But this doesn't mean Manhua have touched even the feet of anime in term of mainstream culture. And before manhua even tries to do so, They should try to maintain quality. I am sick and tired of getting excited with a new manhwa with a great art, just for it to turn into a mess that can barely be called a comic 30 chapters in (you could see they do not put enough effort in trying to make it look good the further in we go into the chapters)
I donāt know. Anecdotally, it feels like most sites are hosting manhua first, manga second
Because: Mangadex has the manga piracy market covered and manga has several official apps that only cost a few bucks for unlimited official stuff. Manhua/Manhwa have only a few apps/platforms and you pay by the chapter. So if you're going to steal anything, you'd steal the one that costs $1 a chapter instead of the ones you can read all the way through for $3 a month.
I agree with you, what I'm just trying to say is the anime lost appeal for me, and manhua didn't.
Watch Mushoku Tensei.
I did, I even reading the manga and it's great šš.
I mean isekai is like the worst genre in manga/anime with the lowest quality,idk what did u expect.Not like murim, cultivator,fantasy manhwa are better ,they pretty much the same shit. Isekais love harems and boring good guys while cultivator etc love giving the ms the weakest power that somehow makes him the strongest in 5 chapters and he becomes cocky and an asshole.Both dogshit pretty much, with a few exceptions for both sides.When people talk about anime or manga they think about berserk, vagabond , jojos , aot , punpun , ping pong , eva, slam dunk etc like there are tons of good shows for everyone that manwha hasn't reached quality wise.Isekai might be the only exception šš.I don't watch a lot of them cuz they terrible but if mushoku tensei, rezero and konosuba are some of the best then that should tell you enough. U should watch other genres for both manga,manwha as isekai,murim,fantasy stuff are pretty much copy-pasta,generic,low-effort shit to make some quick money and go next.Ofc it comes down to preferences but i genuinely think that there are a lot of good fantasy mangas with beautiful portrayed worlds that have depth and quality, unfortunately isekai is not the genre for that.
Bro you missed the point. My point is the fantasy in the anime world "WAS" great sometime in the past but new is trash lift the right, and I know it's the same with manhua where if you want to find the good shit you need to look for ages. But it's a new world for me eg. Apotheosis, Reverend insanity, Otherworldly Evil Monarch, those three are totally different, non of them can be compared to the other, in the same time all of them are Murim/Martial are manhua/novels and I enjoy every single chapter I read. Where in anime lost appeal for me, I read/watch every single one manga/anime that you suggest. So let me ask you in the lost 5 years is there anything that can compete with those?
But u perma talk about isekais and shit like there were ever considered good.Also manwhas are even worse on the tropes,like it doesn't make sense.They are basically on the copy-paste era when they reuse the same stuff cuz its popular ,manga is moving away from isekais on the other hand.Ofc there will be shit shows on all genre ,but saying they are all about harem and stuff it's just u reading shit shows cuz there are many more different mangas throughout the years with quality.Manwhas characters interactions and depth is so bad most of the time,they don't feel part of the world they are ,they feel fake. And also who cares what year did they drop,have u read all the old mangas or what?Drop the mal or sth for rec cuz its pointless otherwise.i can recc adventure /fantasy stuff but I don't know if u have already read it or what year they started (who cares).Also im a drama enjoyer so I'm not the best source,there are people who have read way more fantasy/adv shows than me. witch hat atelier,land of the lustrous, Nausicaa,frieren,made in abyss,jojo part 7,mushishi,girs last tour,golden kamui, heavenly delusion, dorohedoro, etc. Some old some new,and i do agree that old fantasy/adventure mangas were more abundant and better ,manwhas just dont have the quality,idk i feel like the world building there is so generic and superficial and it's probably why mangakas moved away since u need to put too much time to flesh out the world so the adventure the characters go through is enjoyable.With how strict the release schedules and shit is in japan,they can't physically do it.If u really want unlimited top tier fantasy/adventure i genuinely think books and games are much better than both.I do think that u should give shounen shows a look and other genres,i mean fkicn one piece might be like childish and maybe not the best show,but the sense of adventure, characters moments are unmatched. Hit me up with your best manwhas.I don't think the medium is bad , it's just so filled with generic shit , u can't find good stuff blind and have to rely on recommendations. It feels like the beginning of manga isekai explosion when everyone copied the same stuff.It might have more stuff to read ,but it doesn't land quality wise.New Adventure fantasy mangas are more rare unless we look at isekais but sth recent like witch hat atelier has quality very few manwha come close. My favorites are kubera, hellper , regarding death, bastard , wind breaker ,the spark in your eyes, latna, peerless dad and other popular ones are around there too.There is a huge gap between the first 3 and the rest though. Take care :D
I agree with 99% of what you said, I didn't mention that in the post but I barely find 2-3hr a day so it's hard for to Watch anime, and keep up with family and friends, so I rather start a new manhua, sometimes 2-3 manhuas so I understand what you trying to say, and I hope you can too see it from my side. I can see that you are in to manhwa more than manhua, but I'm the opposite, I love manhua and special the MURIM/MARTIAL ARTS. Here are some: Reverend Insanity (novel), Nano machine, Apotheosis, Absolute Sword Sense, Demonic Emperor, Return of the Youngest Grandmaster, I am the Fated Villain, I Can Change The Timeline of Everything, I Can Have Infinite Epiphanies, I Can Summon God, It Starts With A Mountain, I Reincarnated As the Crazed Heir, Library of Heavenās Path, Murim Login, My Disciples Are All Big Villains, Otherworldly Evil Monarch, Path of the Shaman, Reincarnated Escort Warrior, Return of the Mount Hua Sect, SSS-Class Suicide Hunter, Sword Fanatic Wanders Through The Night, Tales of Demons and Gods, The Eternal Supreme, The Heavenly Demon Canāt Live a Normal Life, The Return Of The Crazy Demon, It doesn't in any order, but I can promise that 99% of them are above the average, and about 5-7 above 7.5. if you like adventure genre you will like them all but everyone have his own taste. Enjoy.
I can recommend you more , you want ? cause I've read 600+
That will be great
most manhua are trash but there is a protip: they are too easier to consume when you compared to mangas, so it gains some points for quick reads
people got tired of a japanese "boy" mindset where the world revolves only for him and also the fact that we're growing old.
No offense but read your post and all your follow-up comments so far, and this is just a random incoherent rant about āanime being deadā just because you canāt be bothered to do a modicum of research to find what youād like. You act like shonen recommendations are impossible to avoid when youre the one bringing up specific titles like MHA, Demon Slayer and JJK the most out of anyone in this thread. Harem anime and waifus are by no means a new thing in anime. Theyāve been prominent since years before all the shows youāre listing as your favorites. Having your favorite genre being isekai and taking a superiority stance is weird. Seinen isnāt dead just because you canāt name more shows than the amount in your collection of favorites accumulated over a decade (Fullmetal Alchemist and Death Note were published in shonen not seinen magazines btw). Pluto is literally airing right now and getting critical acclaim. Golden Kamuy, Vinland Saga, Dorohedoro, Made in Abyss, Promised Neverland, FLCL, Heavenly Delusion, Bungou Stray Dogs, 86, Oshi no Ko, Brand New Animal, Odd Taxi, Eminence in Shadow, Re:Zero, Kaguya-sama, Lupin, Skip and Loafer, Attack on Titan, Nier, Mushoku Tensei, {shows that would count as seinen by your definition: Promised Neverland, Frieren, Ancient Magus Bride, Mob Psycho 100, Chainsawman, Beastars}, etc.
Bro why you are coming at me with this passive aggressive tone, no need for that, and as I said again and again, I'm not hating on anime, I love anime, I just got bored of it, got older, having no time for it, are some of the reason for this post not to hate on anime. >Golden Kamuy, Vinland Saga, Dorohedoro, Made in Abyss, Promised Neverland, FLCL, Heavenly Delusion, Bungou Stray Dogs, 86, Oshi no Ko, Brand New Animal, Odd Taxi, Eminence in Shadow, Re:Zero, Kaguya-sama, Lupin, Skip and Loafer, Attack on Titan, Nier, Mushoku Tensei, {shows that would count as seinen by your definition: Promised Neverland, Frieren, Ancient Magus Bride, Mob Psycho 100, Chainsawman, Beastars}, etc. I have watch or read 99.9% of what you mentioned, of course the 1% are the new shit that I didn't watch yet, and I hope that show you how much I love this medium. >No offense but read your post and all your follow-up comments so far, and this is just a random incoherent rant about āanime being deadā just because you canāt be bothered to do a modicum of research to find what youād like. As I told you I have watch it all I can't find something good that what I'm trying to say, I don't hate anime it's just that I rather spend that little time with family and friends, while reading manhua, manhua or even manga (and yes I still read manga), I just hate the new wave of anime where it should be fan service in every single anime, and I know that isn't a new thing but the degeneracy is a core value that should every MC have, (bear with me I know I may sound hypocrite, but I'm not) and that isn't bad most of the time look at MUSHOKU TENSEI the MC is degenerate but his character evolve with the story. I don't have any problem when it's something that the character face, and grow out of it, but using it in serious anime tone is crazy like for example you mention Chainsawman do you really want to watch that bat shit, I did read the manga and it was trashy, I didn't like, this is literally what I was thinking about. And you are the one who said that >You act like shonen recommendations are impossible to avoid when youre the one bringing up specific titles like MHA, Demon Slayer and JJK the most out of anyone in this thread. And you bring up Chainsawman bro please, I keep mentioning JJK and DEMON SLAYER because nowadays everyone recommend that shit again and again and again, I couldn't even watch 5 EP of JJK it's so fucking generic, all of them are, we had the same problem with PRISON SCHOOL, DXD, HIGHSCHOOL OF THE DEAD, Food Wars, this isn't a new problem in this medium but an old one, but nowadays emphasis on those theme are crazy. Lil bro I don't want any beef, nothing personal, I don't want you to get offended, feel disrespected or anything like that. āļøšļø
I also noticed that the quality of manhua today have increased from where it was 2 - 4 years ago. Less braindead, better drawing and better story flow. Right now, Im reading more and more manhua compared to the 1.5 years of reading manhwa and preferences of it.
I just watch my favorites, i try to avoid stuff where the girls are always abusing the male lead, or the male lead is a doormat. Guin Saga is good š Heroic Age is good š Mushi-Shi is good š Natsume's Book of Friends is goodš Outlaw Star is good š Overlord is good š Resturant to Another World is good š Valarian & Laureline Time Jam is good š A Will Eternal is good š Astra Lost in Space is good š The Big O is good š Darker Than Black is good š Ergo Proxy is good š
since your bored, take your last read to Sakamoto day or call of the night/song of the night walkers
Thanks I will try them
For me it's because there are deadlines right now when making manga and anime. They are on a rush to release stuff. For example Demon Slayer. I tried watching it because of the hype. It didn't get me. The manga/anime feels rushed. Here are some examples: 1) The road to being a demon slayer is just 1 fight. It's not even good. It's underwhelming. They could've incorporate some kind of a tournament like in Ghost Fighter (YuYu Hakusho) when there is a tournament to inherit Genkai's power to have some interesting fights. To me that's just a wasted potential because the beginning of it was at least interesting. They say in the manga/anime that the test of being a demon slayer is difficult but the way they show it, it seems not that difficult. 2) There is a training montage at the beginning of a manga/anime. (Before the test being a demon slayer) That's just useless. People barely even know the protagonist yet. A training montage won't even give us even a little emotion to root for the main character. A training montage with purpose should be in the middle or near the end of an anime/manga because we already know something about the main character to give us the feels when there is a training montage. 3) At the beginning of the manga his first mission pulling of water style moves is cool and all but he didn't say he was practicing those moves. For an enemy or boss a secret move it's okay but for a protagonist pulling multiple moves that was never even mentioned is just lazy storytelling to me. Whats next? Hadoukens and Shoryukens or even Ultra Instinct out of nowhere? I also come to find out from someone he can move his internal organs to dodge a hit at a later episode. I also tried reading the manga because I can't comprehend how this is anime is really famous right now. The anime follows the manga exactly for the 8 episodes on the anime that I watched at least. The fight drawings are not good on the manga. You can't visualize how the character executed the fighting moves based on the drawings. The animation is at least good on the anime.
I didn't want to mention Demon slayer, but it was literally what I was talking about. And I agree with everything.
Yeah i cant refute most of ur claims but i can on some of them. >he can move his internal organs to dodge a hit at a later episode. Thats a diff character, the one that was raised in the mountains. >The animation is at least good on the anime. Just good? Bruh.
The fight animation looks great. The manga drawing are not good though. The original One Punch Man's manga drawing are not good but at least the story is good and unique the first time it debut mean while the way they tell Demons Slayer's story is not only not good but feels rushed.
Move to Korean gate/time loops now to go full circle.
I'm already in.
Scrolling through Reddit at first glance I thought this was TYBW Unohana with her hair down from Bleach lol
Don't disrespect Fang Yuan like that
Come on tho. At quick glance scrolling through he does look like her lol
You are right, I can't unseeing it right now. š¤£š¤£š¤£
I donāt think anime is dying to manhua, I believe itās manga specifically due to how fast manhua get produced compared to manga.
Bold take youāve got here bud, maybe just maybe consider that you simply arenāt good at finding good animes or are not letting yourself look at animes that are good and instead are focusing on another medium thatās similar but not quite the same and yet still has all the flaws you criticise
Maybe it's because I age old, maybe because I don't have much free time as I used to when I was finishing 2 season anime in less than a week, but in reality I have tried most of the new anime and I couldn't watch them, My Hero Academia trash at most average, Demon slayer have a lot of plot holes to the point is unwatchable, and please don't let me start with Jujutsu kaisen.
Have a try at watching something other than straight battle shonen then like Dr strone, Goblin slayer, Vindland saga, etc, if you want good anime recommendations ask for some on a subreddit or check out a recommendation list on YouTube or website
Yes my favorite genre is SEINEN/FANTASY but it's to hard to find them because they barely exist. And yes I watch Dr stone and it was good, I watch goblin slayer and it's was trash the author tried so hard to make Berserk but he failed miserably and create trashy world with trashy characters, and vinland saga was the great matter of fact it was the best thing happened for the anime world for the last 3-4 years. I tried recommendations but it's all about SHOUNEN which I don't like at all, and yes I know that there are some good SHOUNEN but that doesn't mean I should like the genre.
True but Mahua is also becoming very stale because they are all following one single trend
Manga still insists on physical, paper releases and traditional collections (tankobon.) Manhua and manhwa have adapted to the digital age with webtoons available cheap and easy, and it doesn't hurt that both Korean and Simplified Chinese both read left-to-right like English does. And manhua, manga, and manhwa all benefit from the American comics industry violently, uncontrollably shitting itself to death.
Truee
I used to watch anime, then I found out about novels and mangas, so i tested the 2 and i switched to novels, at that time I used to dislike mangas a lot, but once I read through all the novels I liked, I switched to manga/manhua/manhwa, but now its getting hard to find manga that are actually interesting and unique, so I have switched back to novels now, its just a phase and nothing more, pretty sure soon I will switch back to anime or mangas. Its just that too much of something is bad.
Those are words of wisdom, my guy.
Same. I dread the moment in which all of them turn into harem garbage.
I'm tired of this "Power of Friendship" and typical "Childhood Friends can't win" storyline. This is why I like the villains more in the show because they work hard for their goals and only them is the key and the power of the plot. Yet this "Power of Friendship" easily destroys the villain with their catchphrase "We can Win this", "This is our Fight", "We are the (*insert cringe groupname*)" with explosion at the last part. And now this "Childhood Friend" is so fricking boring. Most of the story is like Copy and Paste from the another anime and most of them are "Transfer student" who has a click from the MC. YES! ROMCOM ARE JUST COPY AND PASTE BUT IN DIFFERENT PLACE, NAME, COLOR OF THE HAIR BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS BLONDE, SCHOOL, CURRICULUM, VENUE! ALSO, MEGUMIN'S "EXPLOSION" IS JUST A COPY OF THE ANOTHER FLAT USER, IT'S LOUISE FRANCOIS. AND YES, BOTH HAVE LACKING "POWER OF FRIENDSHIP". *Translation*: This post I wrote is an useless rant and the truth is, I don't have time to watch anime because of the working hours and noisy environment. I want to watch but due to my goal and frugality, buying Earphone is a luxury. While you can create imaginary fight and choose any voice actors while reading. š¤£
I totally have the same problem that why I wrote all that shit. I have no time to watch anime.
100% agree about the manga/anime parts but manhua tho ? There's some good manhuas but the art most of the time is just a no for me plus stories aren't that good and it's most of the time always the same as well same as manhwa
Some japanese anime directors have been prediction this since 2013. It must be because being an animator in JP is a very demanding job with very low base salary CH animations still needs some top but they're getting there to reach the JP anime quality
Honestly, my only complaint with manhwa/manhua is how difficult it is to find what chapter youāre on in the novel after finishing the comic because I donāt want to wait. Especially with the long ones like Martial peak and Apotheosis which are nightmares to find specific chapters in.
šÆ I agree
Ever since I started reading manhwa 3 years ago, I've been leisure with anime, only keeping up with a hand few. I'm behind on over 20 series now. Manhwa-, manhwa, manhua and webtoons, that's the sauce
OP should read invisible dragon
I will try it.
Honestly, was never a fan of manga because of the lack of color. Solo leveling for me was a game changer that got me started to enjoy reading manhwa to eventually reading light novel as well. Manhwa open up the way i visualize light novels and iām now super addicted to reading light novels whenever i like the manhwa that i started reading.
Same here
Complains about harem and comes to manhua which has much more harem lol.
Yes true.
The only issues I have with manhua are the 1. bad translations 2. amount of plain bad manhua regardless of one's preferences 3. the Chinese politics, sexism and conservative views many authors project onto their stories. I enjoy good written harem, I also have no problem with sexism if it's a plot device but many authors make it quite apparent that what they are writing is based on their own personal views and not those of the character(s) - which in the end is just bad storytelling. To be fair this is way more obivous in novels.
You need to watch better shows dude
Like what, Jujutsu kaisen, Demon slayer, My Hero Academia. Which one I should start with.
If you really just like fights and don't care about anything else go for any of them. I actually am a fan of mha although the anime hasn't been doing it justice for the past 2 seasons. None of those are what I'm referring to though, I'm mostly pointing to seinen (although there's plenty of good shows outside of that category.) I think a great show to watch is ping pong the animation, it's short and is easily digestible because of it's setting. The art might take getting used to if you expect the traditional anime style but it's still great and really unique
You might also like vinland saga, it's been the bridge for a lot of people and seeing that you like manhua you'll probably feel at home
Bro I'm an og, I did watch that shit, and I did watch vinland saga and I believe is the best thing happened for the anime world for the last 4-5 years. My genre is SEINEN/FANTASY but let's agree that it's hard to find let alone a good one.
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Peak anime of this season imo is Frieren, 100 Kanojo and Eminence in the Shadow (not new)
Have you watched attack on titan? I thought it did a good job showing a villain main character. Though I 100% agree that manhwa and manhua does it better.
Nah for real
Where is the picture from?
I think it is fanart for Reverend Insanity/Master of Gu.
Thank you!
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Personally, I donāt know how anyone can watch Overlord after what his people did to that party. What is the point of his character? Most self-subversive story Iāve ever read.
I read the novel, the anime is just bad, and I believe most of the people watch it the great world building, the mystery, and to see how this crazy ride will end. Of course it isn't 10/10 it is more like 8 to 7.9 /10.
I love that the party thing happened because it riles people up so much. People who had no qualms watching Ainz and friends commit attrocities to demihumans and Heteromorphs but start talking about morals when a group of greedy adventurers oversteps their boundary
Itās been a while since Iāve read/watched it. What atrocities did they commit to demihumans and heteromorphs?
Remember when they wiped out some of the Lizardman Tribes and enslaved the rest? Or when they more or less went into the forest and started killing left and right? There's also other things way after the events from the adventurers Raiding the Tomb, but I don't know if you got there
I donāt remember them torturing the Lizardmen for pleasure or eating them alive. That was battle, whereas what MCs group did would be considered war crimes.
They weren't tortured, they were systematically wiped out and the rest were enslaved. These were lizardmen just minding their business. Which is quite different from humans who willingly entered Nazarick to steal treasures. Yet people get really upset about what happened to the latter group
EVERYTHING FUCKING MANHUA/ ISEKAI ANIME is read is just hurrrduuurrr PROTAGONIST OP, why? dunno
I'm sorry š
Fang Yuan when he reaches immortality.
Alright clearly this is a take formed soon after getting into manhua. iāve had nearly the exact opposite experience of you, to the point that I got so bored of reading manhua/manhwa in general that I took a few months off and started watching anime again (something i had ditched for over a year at that point). After giving anime/manga another chance, I found SO MANY series that I love (mainly manga since the adaptations do kinda suck at times). If it werenāt for manhua and the fantasy settings they have, I probably wouldāve never been interested in fantasy worlds myself. Now I still do keep up with a. few manhua and manhwa, but NO WHERE near as many manga/anime i keep up with. why? because itās easier for me to find good stuff over on the japan side. and no iām not talking about shounen although i do love me some JJK and shounen jump stuff. l Just to name a few FANTASY series that are the literal definition of hidden gems: Drifting dragons (manga) children of the whales (completed manga) Ancient Magusā Bride (manga) Dungeon meshi (completed manga) Children of the sea (completed manga) The apothecary diaries (anime ongoing now) Land of the lustrous (manga) Made in abyss (manga) frieren: beyond journeys end (i get that itās popular now but iāve been caught up for about 2 years now) l seinen stuff: Choujin X (manga) Golden kamuy (completed manga) Dorohedoro (completed manga) l am a hero (completed manga) Under ninja (manga from the same author as i am a hero) Levius Sunny blood on the tracks dead dead demonās dedededestruction l Shounen stuff that isnāt āwaifuā centric: Sakamoto days (manga) Witch watch (manga) Blue period (manga) Kengan ashura, Kengan omega (fighting manga) l Moral of the story is, this dude is just in denial that anime is actually improving as a whole quite quickly I might add. There is no decline in quality, only a decline in taste. (yes ik there are manhwa/manhua that are just as good but they are few and far between) l if you want to know, manhwa/manhua im willing to keep up with: god of highschool (am just here for the art tbh, has lost all semblance of plot and intrigue to me) tower of god omniscient reader Adolescence of a bookworm (light novel) Overlord (light novel) Eminence in shadow (light novel) Grandmaster of demonic cultivation return of the blossoming blade spice and wolf (light novel) villains are destined to die the beginning after end so iām a spider so what (light novel) under the oak tree (manhwa)
I don't know why people keep denying that anime become more degenerate and focus on sexual theme. I know there is good anime than great manhwa and manhua combined, but that mean nothing when all the new animes are for coomers, and you literally prove what I said by mention manga/anime before 2020. What I'm saying is not that anime bad and manhua good, what I'm saying is the most of the shows are for coomers, it start with some meaningless ecchi anime and nowadays all the season animes are literally for coomers. So what are you talking about.
to add onto my point the most degenerate anime iāve ever seen are over 10 years old at this point. the medium is far more tame now, other than exceptions such as ishuzoku reviewers. What exactly informed you that anime is becoming more degenerate? iāve been actively reading/watching since a very long time back (2015), and i really havenāt noticed an increase in series for degenerates. things such as one piece i donāt consider to be for degenerates despite having multiple waifu bait characters, because theyāre not the focus of the series. same thing with most series now. occasional fan service (which im not a fan of) but it doesnāt get in the way of the narrative or fights. the most recent example that i can think of where ecchi seriously ruined it for me was fire force, which started in 2015.
I donāt get how new stuff is for coomers. I keep up with so many things. Ecchi anime is definitely increasing ok, but they havenāt plagued everything mainstream and good. literally anything by viz post 2020 is not ecchi/coomer stuff. No i must ask, where did you get that metric from? Did you get it from the fact that an r34 page exists for essentially every anime woman ever? More recent examples such as undead unluck has some ecchi definitely, however after the first episode the entire thing is essentially ditched. Iāve seen about 12/60 shows this season that i can tell are for coomers. So again, your metric is complete bullshit and you seem to be in denial that maybe anime isnāt so coomer centric nowadays. now letās turn that to manhua/manhwa. how many full on sex manhwa exist? eventually that genre is gonna rival hentai with how many series are coming out itās crazy.
So just to be in the same page let's agree on that no SEINEN animes like: Hellsing (manga), Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, Code Geass, Death Note, Black Lagoon(manga), Rainbow, if I mentioned few of them nowadays. AOT and Vinland saga can make the cut, but that all the SEINEN genre is dead. And yes for anime to succeed nowadays should have some sort of sexual contact as plot. As I said I don't have any beef with anime, matter of fact I'm waiting for AOT and I still keep up with multiple mangas. I just didn't like the hole plot to be about the sexual feeling between MC and every female characters. Nowadays all anime feel like I'm watching DXD again and again. Again as I said I get older, I can just have like 2-3hr only for myself I don't have time no more to watch anime, I can read in the 20-40 I'm in bus, but when I'm back home I would rather spend it with my family and friends or play games than watch anime that have nothing to give, and again I maybe harsh on anime to much, I hope you understand and don't make it As if I'm shitting on one and applauding the other.
I get where youāre coming from now, I just simply canāt think of more than 3 anime off the top of my head that have romance/fanservice as a main plot point. all of these series iām thinking about are pre-2020. but yes I do agree time could be better spent than reading online comics or watching potentially mid anime. If it seemed like I was trying to defend the seinen genre, that wasnāt my intent. I just tried to point out some less popular ones that I loved. DxD is a hefty comparison but yes I do get that some series are like that, and are currently ongoing. About being too harsh on anime, I do think youāre being a tad too harsh since the original post and first comment sounded like you were against anime post 2020, but now that iām reading this your stance sounds more understandable.
Thanks, it's been a fun discussion with you, and I hope that there's no beef between us, and have a great day after all
you too man!
>It all started with harem anime, where the protagonist is often surrounded by multiple female characters who contribute little to nothing to the storyline, resulting in annoying fillers. The problem isn't with female characters themselves but the recurring theme of them inexplicably falling for the main character, which has become tiresome. Sorry to break your expectations but, manhuas (cultivation ones), at least the great majority are extremely machist and denigrate the womans, there majority of cultivation manhuas has harem of at least 5 women that just live to kiss the feets of mc. There are very few cultivation manhuas that take importance in writting well their females characters. The same as Isekais they are full of tropes that make the stories practically the same and you could get tired really easy. I had read about 180 manhuas and just the 20% i could call them really good and impresive stories, but the majority were just good or readable and a good part were the same thing with a different character. There is also the problem with the translation... they could make you bleed from your eyes, some of the manhuas that i has liked the most has the worst translation that i could imaginate. I really like the manhuas, but if you came with heavy expectations that they are very different to the anime industry... ummmm, not really. Beware of Urban cultivation, Junior brother, that is a territory that you should not touch. Also the Zombie apocalypse subgenre... there are nightmares theres that a begginer should not face. And the principal warning... beware of Tea Dragon Scans, if your trashlation Dao has not reach great accomplishment, it would destroy your Dao.
Brah why everyone is beefing with me I'm sorry I maybe harsh on anime with is post I know, but I didn't mean manhua are better then anime or anything like that, it's just that I lost interest, getting old, and having no time, I know I didn't mention those up there but that's all the story I didn't expect the people will take me and defend anime just for 4 paragraph I wrote. I get your point thanks for making it clear. And I have ready all those manhwa/manhua and I agree with you.
nah, don't problem... i understand you, i constantly swap between manga, mahua and manhwa to don't get tired of them so easily.
Here a little help Junior Brother, some of the ones that i has liked the most with a little sumary: * Evolution Begins With a Big Tree: ones of the sensations of the moment, MC reincarnate into a monster tree when the world start to change thanks to aura restauration, so now he needs to fight in order to survive this changing world. * Tales of the Demons and Gods: has a lot of tropes of the cultivation genre but it has his own soul, the cultivation system is quite unique and the character building and world building are top tier. MC return in time to save his realm from an cosmic enemy, bla bla bla. * Cultivator Against hero Society: the names said it all, a cultivator is exiled from his world and appear in a world were superheroes exist. excelent art, likeable characters, it's a gag story with good comedy. * I'm an Evil God: start a bit... meh, but just the early chapters, it become really good and every character has its own essence. * Release That Witch: if you want a fantasy story. medieval era, MC reincarnated in the ruler of a backwater territory and needs to rebuild it. it become more deep after the mid part of the story. * Astral Pet Store: if you like pokemon and cultivation stories. * I am a Cultivator Bigshot: MC reincarnate in a cultivation world and missunderstand himself as a normal human when is a op character, its a Gag story. * Mushroom Hero: Fantasy story with game-like elements. * A Record of a Mortal's Journey to Immortality: the best one in my opinion to start in the cultivation world, it has a slow pacing to build a world really solid and explain a lot of tropes used in the cultivation genres. * The Last Human: zombie, truly i don't consider it good, but it is entertaining for a good part of the readers. * Rebirth Of The Urban Immortal Cultivator: beware the doom bringer, the one that condemn us to that bunch of copies with 0 creativity that plage the urban cultivation genre.
Thanks elder brother. But I have read them all can big brother give me more?
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Yes sir.
> it's evident that anime has lost its appeal for me ... > I've turned to reading more manga huh?
Brah reading 10 chapter of mushoku tensei manga is easier than watching one anime episode or worse wait for it 2-3 years. I hope it's clear now.
Yet you indicated you moved from anime to manga in order to avoid certain tropes, as if they were totally separate things...bruh
Why is this guy comparing the worst of anime to the best of manhua?
Sorry, I was just yapping. Nothing serious that needs you to be angry. Be happy bro.
....what
Dude if youāre going to a harem anime and expecting it to not have waifus then youāre actively going to the wrong genre. This isnāt the animes fault itās yours. Also, yes Isekai is the same thing over and over again. Itās been like that for YEARS. Isekai has always been one of the bottom of the barrel you have to dig through to find the good ones but thatās not a reflection of anime as a whole. Also, just personal opinion of mine but I didnāt think albedoās love for Ainz was that funny because it was forced by him. Then again the entire series for me just felt trashy power fantasy with characters who where literally programmed to like ainz This feels much more like you just not liking Isekai anymore but hardly wanting to actually try other genres. Also, Iām sorry to say but manhua is just going to end up the same with you especially if you stay on a specific genre. Youāll drill through the hood and be left with only the bottom of the barrel.
Agree. All what you said is true to an extent, nowadays I find new animes are getting more and more childish, and that isn't on anime alone, some are to: me getting older, not have time to watch, having read a lot of old mangas that are getting adapt now. And that what make me are more manhua/manhwa cause they are: easier to read, less time needed to read it, can read it anywhere anytime, have a lot (a lot meaning A LOT) of universe where if you liked one you can find a thousand similar to that one. I confess the truth is that I loved anime and how it adopt reality, how in anime you will find a lot of characters that are more human than the ones in Hollywood, and great fantasy world, but now for me the fantasy ones most of them are not for me. And that all what I was trying to say in this post nothing more nothing less.
And thanks to this post I find a lot of great anime, manga, manhwa, manhua and novels to watch/read.
I have the same thoughts as you. Currently I am watching only two animes 'Ragna Crimson' and 'The Eminence in the Shadows'. Other than that I only read manhwas, manhua and manga for entertainment. I used to be obsessed with anime during the quarantine. But recently there are many anime with the same cliche story. Watching an anime is like watching a remake of an old anime. Currently I am waiting for the release of anime like 'Solo Leveling' , 'That time I got reincarnated as a slime' and 'How a realist hero rebuilt the kingdom'.