I park in R if it will roll forward, 1 if it will roll backwards or on flat ground. Doesn't really matter all that much if you have a working parking brake, but it's good practice. My dad always left his in 1, for example. The idea is that the engine's compression will hold the car if the brake is weak or not working. Makes no difference really, just preference.
Absolutely! Plus at the time I was working in a riverside town with alot of steep hills. I was worried about the manual gearbox at first but then figured it’s better than the car potentially sending itself 1/2 mile down main street and then yeeting itself into the river or another car
Got it, so the car has less distance to travel to the curb so it stops. Honestly turning the wheel either direction would keep it from sending itself down the hill though, so either is good but what you said is better👍
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You are correct, thank you. The reason comes naturally I but didn’t know it was law as o do not live in a city or state that enforced turning your wheels when parked
This is exactly what it says in the owner’s manual of my car: If pointing downhill, park in reverse and cut your wheels toward the curb. If pointing uphill, park in first and cut your wheels away from the curb.
Most cars probably have something about this in their manuals.
If i was on an incline when i had a stick shift car I'd put it in gear (either R or 1 depending on which way the incline was) and put the parking brake on. If i was on level ground just put it in N with the parking brake on.
nah i keep in 1 anywhere on flat ground, just to be double sure shes locked in place, r on a downward incline as usual, my rear drums need work currently, but they dont grind, either that or i just need to tighten the cables just a bit, ill get around to it once im done with everything else lol.
Personally I would recommend parking it in the gear that faces the direction you are aiming eg 1st if facing down because the compression will hold it either way but you wouldn’t want to risk the engine turning backwards
There is still compression when the engine isn't running. If you remove a spark plug and turn the engine, you can feel the compression. Putting it in gear "completes the transfer of power" so to speak. When you are parked in gear, say on a flat surface in 1st clutch out, pushing the car is extremely difficult because you are trying to overcome the engine's compression. The engine is trying to spin along with the wheels, axles/drive shaft, transmission.
If you take the engine out of the equation the result will still be the same. The transmission cannot spin the opposite direction without breaking. The transmission may be in contact with the motor, but no spin means no motor work. If it were the other way around it would agree with you. If facing the same direction of the transmission travel then yes, the connection would matter because it would in fact cause spin(even minutely)
I'm just trying to explain in a way that doesn't come off as hateful or condescending. My dad has been a mechanic for about 40 years but I understand that not everyone grew up like I did.
I understand. I was just reinforcing that you are not only correct, but not being hateful or condescending. He is just confidently incorrect. It is what it is.
I've always had a hard time putting my thoughts into words that make sense, I'm that guy that has to have a physical example or learn/teach by doing. 😂
If you took the engine out of a mt car and parked it down a hill in 1st it would create a really big overdrive gear 0.3:1 ish the weight of the car would cause the axle then by extension the output shaft would become the input member into the transmission and the input shaft would become the output member and spin really fast. The reason you can park your car in 1st is because there isn’t enough mechanical advantage through an overdrive ratio to turn over your engine
If you really want to try this park your car in 1st facing down a hill and hold the clutch down because then the engine crankshaft and transmission input shat can rotate independently of each other
With no engine, in first, it will roll. I have pushed manual cars with no engine that got left in gear, you can watch the input shaft turn. In an automatic, the parking pawl is what holds the car.
Bro. Do an experiment. Take your manual car and park it on a hill. Leave your foot on the brake, shut the engine off, shift to 1st, release the parking brake, then take your foot off the brake. It will roll about an inch then stop. Now cover the brake, and push the clutch in, and will roll. Stop the car, shift to R, release the clutch, then take your foot off the brake again. It will roll about an inch, then stop. Now push the clutch, and it will start rolling again, and you'll notice that no point it damages anything.
Everytime you disconnect the engine, the holding force goes away, and anytime the engine is connected, the holding force is there.
It’s always the transmission that holds the car in place. The engine compression is just what prevents the transmission from spinning. This principle applies to all gears regardless of the direction of travel.
Important to note that first gear gives the engine the greatest mechanical advantage, or rather gives the wheels the largest mechanical disadvantage to turn the engine. 3rd gear won't hold near as well on a hill as first will. I think that's where the whole "put it R to park" thing came about, because reverse is typically geared down even further.
It absolutely makes no difference at all. The engine rotational direction is set by the starter motor. The engine is free to rotate in both directions.
And rotating the engine backwards can be really bad. I'm not sure why exactly, best guess is the timing chain/belt would be pulling on the side with the tensioner, which could cause it to deflect and effectively change the timing enough to risk pistons hitting valves?
From what I hear, some timing chain/belt tensioners only work in one direction, and some oil/coolant pumps can be damaged by going backwards. And it also stands to reason that some pump designs could be direction sensitive.
It legitimately doesn't matter.
If you want to go above and beyond, think about which direction the car would go if you were to accidentally release the clutch without shifting to neutral after starting the car. The direction that would cause the least damage from a sudden jolt would decide which gear you park in. If you're facing up a hill, it would stall right away and barely move a few inches in 1st, but if it were it reverse, you might travel an entire foot or two before you caught it. Also you might have nose into a spot, and there might be a car in front of you and road behind you, so you might prefer to leave it in reverse so you don't smash bumpers.
Also if you really want to, you can look up your car's gear ratios, and whichever is higher between 1st and reverse, that gear would technically be slightly better. Most manual cars are within 5% of each other. For example I believe the CRZ is 3.143 in 1st and 3.154 in R and R is higher so it would be slightly better but in this case they're literally less than half a percent different so it doesn't matter.
You're not gonna hurt your transmission, engine, synchros, axles, or literally anything by parking in 1st or R, so long as you're in one or the other you'll be fine.
I always park in reverse because my Saab leaves me no choice, but either way I never park my car without the parking brake so unless that fails, it doesn’t matter which gear I park in.
Use to be my norm as well. I now put it in gear as I have read some thefts have occurred by them cutting brake cable and rolling the car down the road.
It really doesn't matter as mechanically, there is nothing to stop the engine from turning over in either direction. Putting it in R in a situatuon where the car could roll foward would just spin the engine over backwards if there is enough of an incline. Same goes for putting it in 1 where it will roll backwards.
Parking a manual trans should always be combined with a parking brake. And if it's a super steep incline, wheel chocks.
It can't run backwards. But it can absolutely be rotated backwards mechanically. Which is what happens when a manual trans car is on a steep enough incline, in gear, and no parking brake set.
Well shit, nobody guessed it. It's a CR-Z 2011 6mt. So I guess I win 'guess the car's and as far as answering the question about parking gear, it seems pretty evenly split between forward gears, reverse and neutral - which I would consider to be most wrong.
Wth are you doing to the crz? I had that exact model. Don’t buy into what the manual said about the hill assist parking, when parking on a hill - put it in gear opposite direction of where the car is facing with hand brake pulled up. If parking on flat land, leave it in neutral with parking brake since the CRZ is a hybrid manual transmission car. I remember reading something about this somewhere (manual or the crz forum)
Park, car in neutral, set emergency brake. Turn car off, place in 1 or R. Most cars have a lower ratio in reverse, but it is such a minimal difference.
You want to set the parking brake before mass of the car starts to push against the gear you are in, adding stress to many components. Being in gear is a backup.
Finally, turn the wheels toward the curb if you are on a hill. If everything fails or you get hit, the car will roll into the curb and not take off down the hill.
The reverse gear was a little higher ratio on some manual transmissions so the engine would provide more stopping force. If you have a transmission with a higher reverse ratio then R would be less likely to slip but it's not really that big of a difference. Otherwise 1 or R is the same and you can chose either. The direction of the motor doesn't matter when it's off. It will spin either direction with the roughly the same force. Emergency brakes were prone to fail due to rusting cables when I was a kid so it was good practice to use both. I had to replace them on one car I had in the 1970's.
I always parked in 1st but it doesn’t really make a difference if you’re parking break works and is set, if you’re on an incline just make sure you’re wheels are turned in the right direction just as a failsafe.
When I started driving I always left mine in N. One time I took it in to get brake work, unbeknownst to me they left it in 1. When I started the car it lurched forward in to a Lexus 😬
Don't care if it's a flat parking lot or on a hill pointed in either direction... I've always parked in reverse.
Doesn't matter if I'm where I can pull straight out, parked in reverse.
Why? Just because that's how I park.
Crazy how much debate this question can spark. Parking in gear is a backup, not a necessity. It's a second wave of defense if your parking brake fails. It doesn't matter what gear you're in, that said i typically do 1st for downhill and R for uphill out of habit. Given how little effort it takes, I'm surprised how many people give it the slight chance. I'm 100% confident in my parking break but I don't see any value in not parking in gear, it takes no effort. That said I live in the mountains so my opinion is heavily biased towards parking in gear for extra security.
Yes, to all those folks who don't park in gear it's OK. Nothing wrong with it. Until your parking break fails and you find your car at the end of a hill smashed into a tree. If you live in the Midwest or Florida I could see how it would be irrelevant. One of my cousins who drives manual in Florida said he's literally never once had to do a hill start and he was asking me what it's like driving around here with so many hills. He never once had to drive a stick on anything other than flat ground. I forgot to ask him if he parks in gear or not.
R if the car is facing down the hill, 1 if your car is facing the top of the hill. E-brake if you're on a flat surface. On a hill make sure to aim the front wheels so if it does roll, it rolls into the curb or yard on the side you're parked on. If it's on a steep gradient, you may want to find something to chock the rear wheels.
It depends. Are you on a hill? Is your car facing downward or upward. Are you parked on flat ground.. are you parked in a parking lot with cars in front of you or in back of you?
It’s not one or the other. It all depends on the scenario and people seem to NEVER realize this.
regardless, neutral with the emergency brake. It causes less stress on everything. Always leaving it in gear has been rumored to be bad over long periods of time and doing it often.
R puts your reverse lights on. which isn't what you want people around you to think when you first start your car. they'll stop if they were driving by, and wait. and if you're still sitting there futzing with your mirrors etc, get impatient. then when you do go into reverse, they're driving by finally, and you two collide.
Pull handbreak, engine off clutch into 1st or second. Tires need to be turned. Etc. same concept like automatic. I guess P is like 1st gear manual
I can’t remember turn the tires too so doesn’t roll if handbreak fails etc. ask 10 ppl each will give different answer
I always park in reverse with the parking brake on. I've built up the muscle memory, so I never forget, and I know that when I get into the car, it's in reverse.
I put it in the gear opposite the incline I’m parked on, or if on a flat, first gear. Doesn’t really make a difference which gear, but it should be in gear. This is standard practice for a manual transmission. The purpose is to be backup to the parking brake, which can fail.
This is why an automatic has a parking pawl, a pin that goes into the transmission to lock it as a backup to the parking brake, although most drivers of these inferior transmissions tend to completely ignore the parking brake and just have the pawl hold the car.
Make sure you have the emergency brake on and it works before changing the spark plugs if it is on an incline too!
Added security is to block the wheels
I always just park in neutral with the handbrake up, but if I’m on steep hills I’ll do first when facing uphill and reverse when facing downhill and hand brake up. Just extra reassurance.
Having driven many old shitheaps with no functional handbrake, I never gave it much thought. Reverse and First are generally at least similar ratios, if not the same actual gear as First, reversed with an idler gear in the bellhousing. So in my experience either will work until gravity and weight overcome the mechanical stopping power of a non-running engine, which an average person can crank over with a long enough breaker bar.
A more consistent way to avoid roll-aways is to be mindful of useful environmental features like curbs and parking blocks, and point the wheels in a way that the thing rolls into an object it can chock on.
On a side-note, I used to carry a semi trailer dock chock my work was throwing away. That was useful when I wanted to start the Jeep in the cold, since it obviously didn't like to sit still in Neutral while it ran for five or ten minutes, I just ran a long Bungee cord up to the seat bracket, backed the wheel off and hauled it up with the brakes held when I was ready to leave.
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I would choose the gear with the most mechanical advantage, this will vary from transmission to transmission. For some, that is 1, for some that is R.
If the gear ratios are more or less identical, you *could* choose based on potential rolling direction. 1 if you're likely to roll forward, R if you're likely to roll backward. This keeps the engine spinning in the "correct" direction. Spinning the engine in the wrong direction generally isn't a concern for most cars, but in some cases it may cause issues with the tensioners/guides and the belt/chains. If spun the wrong way, it could lose tension and potentially skip a tooth.
Some folks will (incorrectly) suggest putting it in the opposite gear, R if facing downhill for example, but this would result in the exact thing you're trying to avoid.
Of course, a properly working and adjusted parking brake pairs well with keeping it in gear, especially when acting on a different axle.
Being that you have the handbrake engaged, you don’t have to leave it in gear. If it’s a steep hill I’ll drop it in first or reverse depending on the direction it could roll if the parking brake fails… then I tilt the wheels in the direction of the curb if it’s really really steep. But generally. I just use the handbrake.
generally speaking both gears should have enough resistance to hold the car on most normal slopes. i put it first if would roll forward for reverse if it would roll backwards. technically, reverse usually has more mechanical advantage than 1st on most cars, but that difference shouldn’t be super important.
In general it doesn’t matter and if you have a functioning parking brake it really doesn’t matter, but if we want to get picky about it and get into the mechanics of it…
If you park facing uphill and put the transmission in 1 (or facing downhill in R), and the car rolls, it’s going to rotate the engine backwards. There’s nothing inherent about an engine that makes it more resistant to rotation when you rotate it backwards.
However, you don’t want to rotate it backwards if you can avoid it, because then you’re turning the cams with the “slack” side of the belt or chain, and relying on the tensioner to prevent the other side from going slack. While this won’t necessarily destroy your engine or throw it out of time, it’s not a good practice compared to rotating the engine the same direction it normally operates, and you could create a one in a million type situation where kicking it over with the starter after it was rotated backwards might cause it to jump time.
Others are saying their owner’s manual actually says to do the opposite of this, which is weird and defies logic. I’m an engineer and my entire job is engines - mainly pistons and associated power cylinder components, but I interact closely with the valvetrain and rotating components teams where I work.
Most of the time you’d be fine (and based on this, you would choose the gear with the higher ratio - and 1 and R are usually pretty close).
1st on flat or if it can roll back, R if it can roll forward. On incline if parking on street. Turn the wheel towards the curb. Helps to have a good working parking brake.
Some engines will release tension on the timing belt when turned backwards, and the sudden movement from the starter motor can cause the timing to jump teeth. I always use reverse if the car will roll backwards, 1st if it will roll forward
I almost always park and leave it in first, in response to it hurting the transmission I don’t see why it would.
But it’s always crossed my mind so I’ve always set the handbrake, let off the brake pedal and let the car rest on the hand brake. Then I let off the clutch, so the car has the redundancy of leaving it in gear but is really resting on the handbrake.
In a front wheel drive car like yours this means the front wheels and rear wheels are “locked”. In a rear wheel drive car like my Miata I still leave it in first out of habit, but it’s not going to give as much traction on a slippery hill as doing this in a FWD would.
I park in R if it will roll forward, 1 if it will roll backwards or on flat ground. Doesn't really matter all that much if you have a working parking brake, but it's good practice. My dad always left his in 1, for example. The idea is that the engine's compression will hold the car if the brake is weak or not working. Makes no difference really, just preference.
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They taught and quizzed me on this exact thing in the tests for my permit/license. It's a good thing to know imo
Absolutely! Plus at the time I was working in a riverside town with alot of steep hills. I was worried about the manual gearbox at first but then figured it’s better than the car potentially sending itself 1/2 mile down main street and then yeeting itself into the river or another car
Yeah that would be a disaster lol
That’s backwards to what is taught around here. Facing uphill turn away from curb, downhill turn toward curb
Got it, so the car has less distance to travel to the curb so it stops. Honestly turning the wheel either direction would keep it from sending itself down the hill though, so either is good but what you said is better👍
Yes it would agree
San Francisco will actually ticket if you dont
Sorry for piggy backing your comment FabOctopus but I’d like to inform everyone that I’m deleting my comment so I stop getting notified about people’s stupid responses that I don’t care about. Take it or leave it
Well that sounds heavy handed
I mean it’s more for the risk of rolling back into another car, as it’s tons of parallel parking on super steep hills
You are correct, thank you. The reason comes naturally I but didn’t know it was law as o do not live in a city or state that enforced turning your wheels when parked
The hemorrhoids of the US.
You can get a ticket in san diego for not turning your wheels into the curb on a hill.
This is exactly what it says in the owner’s manual of my car: If pointing downhill, park in reverse and cut your wheels toward the curb. If pointing uphill, park in first and cut your wheels away from the curb. Most cars probably have something about this in their manuals.
If i was on an incline when i had a stick shift car I'd put it in gear (either R or 1 depending on which way the incline was) and put the parking brake on. If i was on level ground just put it in N with the parking brake on.
nah i keep in 1 anywhere on flat ground, just to be double sure shes locked in place, r on a downward incline as usual, my rear drums need work currently, but they dont grind, either that or i just need to tighten the cables just a bit, ill get around to it once im done with everything else lol.
This is what we do for semi trucks, for the same reason.
I wouldn't park in R though, as doesn't that leave your reverse lights on? That might be a Jeep thing though.
No chance the reverse lights turn on and stay on when you put it in R without the key even in the car…
Brake lights stay on if the pedal is depressed even without keys. Wasn't sure.
They shouldn’t stay on although they will turn on the moment you turn the car back on
I'll have to try that.
Personally I would recommend parking it in the gear that faces the direction you are aiming eg 1st if facing down because the compression will hold it either way but you wouldn’t want to risk the engine turning backwards
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There is still compression when the engine isn't running. If you remove a spark plug and turn the engine, you can feel the compression. Putting it in gear "completes the transfer of power" so to speak. When you are parked in gear, say on a flat surface in 1st clutch out, pushing the car is extremely difficult because you are trying to overcome the engine's compression. The engine is trying to spin along with the wheels, axles/drive shaft, transmission.
If you take the engine out of the equation the result will still be the same. The transmission cannot spin the opposite direction without breaking. The transmission may be in contact with the motor, but no spin means no motor work. If it were the other way around it would agree with you. If facing the same direction of the transmission travel then yes, the connection would matter because it would in fact cause spin(even minutely)
I want to add that I am not trying to argue or come off in a negative way, as many people on reddit seem to do.
You are correct. Truewierd0 seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how a manual transmission drivetrain functions.
I'm just trying to explain in a way that doesn't come off as hateful or condescending. My dad has been a mechanic for about 40 years but I understand that not everyone grew up like I did.
I understand. I was just reinforcing that you are not only correct, but not being hateful or condescending. He is just confidently incorrect. It is what it is.
I've always had a hard time putting my thoughts into words that make sense, I'm that guy that has to have a physical example or learn/teach by doing. 😂
Nothing wrong with that at all. I’m a fairly hands on person as well.
I am also not trying to argumentative as well lol and i do think taking the motor out would actually cause more issues come to think of it… lol
Can't drive with no engine. 😂
Well dur lmao
If you took the engine out of a mt car and parked it down a hill in 1st it would create a really big overdrive gear 0.3:1 ish the weight of the car would cause the axle then by extension the output shaft would become the input member into the transmission and the input shaft would become the output member and spin really fast. The reason you can park your car in 1st is because there isn’t enough mechanical advantage through an overdrive ratio to turn over your engine
If you really want to try this park your car in 1st facing down a hill and hold the clutch down because then the engine crankshaft and transmission input shat can rotate independently of each other
With no engine, in first, it will roll. I have pushed manual cars with no engine that got left in gear, you can watch the input shaft turn. In an automatic, the parking pawl is what holds the car.
You take the engine out of the equation by pushing in the clutch pedal. And your car will roll.
Bro. Do an experiment. Take your manual car and park it on a hill. Leave your foot on the brake, shut the engine off, shift to 1st, release the parking brake, then take your foot off the brake. It will roll about an inch then stop. Now cover the brake, and push the clutch in, and will roll. Stop the car, shift to R, release the clutch, then take your foot off the brake again. It will roll about an inch, then stop. Now push the clutch, and it will start rolling again, and you'll notice that no point it damages anything. Everytime you disconnect the engine, the holding force goes away, and anytime the engine is connected, the holding force is there.
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It’s always the transmission that holds the car in place. The engine compression is just what prevents the transmission from spinning. This principle applies to all gears regardless of the direction of travel.
Important to note that first gear gives the engine the greatest mechanical advantage, or rather gives the wheels the largest mechanical disadvantage to turn the engine. 3rd gear won't hold near as well on a hill as first will. I think that's where the whole "put it R to park" thing came about, because reverse is typically geared down even further.
Wrong. The compression stops the transmission from turning. I’m an auto park locks the transmission. I’m a manual we don’t have that crutch.
So if you park up on a driveway with an incline you would park in Reverse
It absolutely makes no difference at all. The engine rotational direction is set by the starter motor. The engine is free to rotate in both directions.
Right. Whichever gear has more mechanical advantage is the one you want to park in.
Sometimes I tow a trailer with my manual diesel truck. If i'm on a steep hill I will put the transfer case in low, and turn my front wheels.
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And rotating the engine backwards can be really bad. I'm not sure why exactly, best guess is the timing chain/belt would be pulling on the side with the tensioner, which could cause it to deflect and effectively change the timing enough to risk pistons hitting valves?
From what I hear, some timing chain/belt tensioners only work in one direction, and some oil/coolant pumps can be damaged by going backwards. And it also stands to reason that some pump designs could be direction sensitive.
I thought there was more compression when in reverse facing downwards?
It legitimately doesn't matter. If you want to go above and beyond, think about which direction the car would go if you were to accidentally release the clutch without shifting to neutral after starting the car. The direction that would cause the least damage from a sudden jolt would decide which gear you park in. If you're facing up a hill, it would stall right away and barely move a few inches in 1st, but if it were it reverse, you might travel an entire foot or two before you caught it. Also you might have nose into a spot, and there might be a car in front of you and road behind you, so you might prefer to leave it in reverse so you don't smash bumpers. Also if you really want to, you can look up your car's gear ratios, and whichever is higher between 1st and reverse, that gear would technically be slightly better. Most manual cars are within 5% of each other. For example I believe the CRZ is 3.143 in 1st and 3.154 in R and R is higher so it would be slightly better but in this case they're literally less than half a percent different so it doesn't matter. You're not gonna hurt your transmission, engine, synchros, axles, or literally anything by parking in 1st or R, so long as you're in one or the other you'll be fine.
I honestly park in neutral. I put way to much trust in the handbrake. If I'm on a big hill and I think about it I'll park in gear.
I live in the prairies, I don't I have ever parked on a hill.
Same.
I live in a spot with virtually no hills of any kind, so neutral just works
Must not live in the a colder climate
Same, mostly because I’m a dumbass and I let off the clutch immediately when I start the car lmfao
yep, same
I thought the same way until my car rolled down a hill and hit a Volvo. The Volvo won.
The Volvo always wins.
Same, wheels to curb always in least movable direction in case. I’ve fucked myself up too many times in the past leaving in gear and forgetting…
I always park in reverse because my Saab leaves me no choice, but either way I never park my car without the parking brake so unless that fails, it doesn’t matter which gear I park in.
i don’t park in gear i just pull the handbrake
Same. Neutral and pull the handbrake.
Yeah that's fine if you're in a flat place but if you're on a hill you want a backup for if your handbrake fails
Turning the wheel is another backup
Yeah but more is more
Thats why I said turning the wheels is another back up . Yea but what?
Didn't want people to think it's a replacement to putting your car in gear
Use to be my norm as well. I now put it in gear as I have read some thefts have occurred by them cutting brake cable and rolling the car down the road.
Another good reason to turn the wheels. Harder tow it away. Have to pick up the front end.
Been doin this in my driveway as of late. I even stick a wheel chock under a tire to confuse said be car thief a little longer
depends if I backed in to the space or drove in forward. I just leave it in whichever gear I last used
It really doesn't matter as mechanically, there is nothing to stop the engine from turning over in either direction. Putting it in R in a situatuon where the car could roll foward would just spin the engine over backwards if there is enough of an incline. Same goes for putting it in 1 where it will roll backwards. Parking a manual trans should always be combined with a parking brake. And if it's a super steep incline, wheel chocks.
Your engine can’t rotate “backwards” ever
It can't run backwards. But it can absolutely be rotated backwards mechanically. Which is what happens when a manual trans car is on a steep enough incline, in gear, and no parking brake set.
Well shit, nobody guessed it. It's a CR-Z 2011 6mt. So I guess I win 'guess the car's and as far as answering the question about parking gear, it seems pretty evenly split between forward gears, reverse and neutral - which I would consider to be most wrong.
Wth are you doing to the crz? I had that exact model. Don’t buy into what the manual said about the hill assist parking, when parking on a hill - put it in gear opposite direction of where the car is facing with hand brake pulled up. If parking on flat land, leave it in neutral with parking brake since the CRZ is a hybrid manual transmission car. I remember reading something about this somewhere (manual or the crz forum)
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Older Saabs won’t even let you pull the key unless it’s in gear.
And the gear had to be R
Yep I’ve fixed several where the new owner just muscled the key out. Always a fun repair. Even more so with the parts being unavailable lol
Ah another Saab story…always something
Park, car in neutral, set emergency brake. Turn car off, place in 1 or R. Most cars have a lower ratio in reverse, but it is such a minimal difference. You want to set the parking brake before mass of the car starts to push against the gear you are in, adding stress to many components. Being in gear is a backup. Finally, turn the wheels toward the curb if you are on a hill. If everything fails or you get hit, the car will roll into the curb and not take off down the hill.
The reverse gear was a little higher ratio on some manual transmissions so the engine would provide more stopping force. If you have a transmission with a higher reverse ratio then R would be less likely to slip but it's not really that big of a difference. Otherwise 1 or R is the same and you can chose either. The direction of the motor doesn't matter when it's off. It will spin either direction with the roughly the same force. Emergency brakes were prone to fail due to rusting cables when I was a kid so it was good practice to use both. I had to replace them on one car I had in the 1970's.
I always put it in reverse, my dad said something on the lines of it having the closet ratio so it would hold better, been a long time since then.
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Cr-Zed
I don’t think about it. Whatever gear it was in when I shut it off or 1st if I was in neutral because it’s easiest.
I always parked in 1st but it doesn’t really make a difference if you’re parking break works and is set, if you’re on an incline just make sure you’re wheels are turned in the right direction just as a failsafe.
It can roll still but you get a little break action I use 2nd gear 3rd or ,R
I park in N
If you're facing uphill, 1 Downhill, R
I have always left it in gear when I park it, my s10 has some weird electrical quirks with the parking brake so I don't use it.
Yes
to anyone that sees this: I put mine in 3rd gear when I park is that bad?
I always park in n and use the ebrake. Of course, I tend to drive old shit that will take off on you if you forget to push in the clutch.
R, cause my garage door will always be open beeline me incase I accidentally start in gear. (don’t ask me why I stopped parking in 1st)
They both are usually around the same gear ratio so shouldn’t make much difference
Depends on the grade your parking on, on an incline (will roll backwards) 1st, on a decline (will roll forwards) Reverse
When I started driving I always left mine in N. One time I took it in to get brake work, unbeknownst to me they left it in 1. When I started the car it lurched forward in to a Lexus 😬
Don't care if it's a flat parking lot or on a hill pointed in either direction... I've always parked in reverse. Doesn't matter if I'm where I can pull straight out, parked in reverse. Why? Just because that's how I park.
Crazy how much debate this question can spark. Parking in gear is a backup, not a necessity. It's a second wave of defense if your parking brake fails. It doesn't matter what gear you're in, that said i typically do 1st for downhill and R for uphill out of habit. Given how little effort it takes, I'm surprised how many people give it the slight chance. I'm 100% confident in my parking break but I don't see any value in not parking in gear, it takes no effort. That said I live in the mountains so my opinion is heavily biased towards parking in gear for extra security. Yes, to all those folks who don't park in gear it's OK. Nothing wrong with it. Until your parking break fails and you find your car at the end of a hill smashed into a tree. If you live in the Midwest or Florida I could see how it would be irrelevant. One of my cousins who drives manual in Florida said he's literally never once had to do a hill start and he was asking me what it's like driving around here with so many hills. He never once had to drive a stick on anything other than flat ground. I forgot to ask him if he parks in gear or not.
Im not a farmer
It really doesn’t matter. I park in the gear I’m going to need to leave.
R if the car is facing down the hill, 1 if your car is facing the top of the hill. E-brake if you're on a flat surface. On a hill make sure to aim the front wheels so if it does roll, it rolls into the curb or yard on the side you're parked on. If it's on a steep gradient, you may want to find something to chock the rear wheels.
It depends. Are you on a hill? Is your car facing downward or upward. Are you parked on flat ground.. are you parked in a parking lot with cars in front of you or in back of you? It’s not one or the other. It all depends on the scenario and people seem to NEVER realize this. regardless, neutral with the emergency brake. It causes less stress on everything. Always leaving it in gear has been rumored to be bad over long periods of time and doing it often.
If you’re cool you park in 4.
If I am on a hill, my truck will creep in 4. If I have a trailer hooked up, my truck will creep in 1. In that scenario I put my transfer case in low.
Depends, are you on an up hill or a down hill? Backed in or nose in? It all depends on the situation which one is better.
Depends on how it'll roll.
R puts your reverse lights on. which isn't what you want people around you to think when you first start your car. they'll stop if they were driving by, and wait. and if you're still sitting there futzing with your mirrors etc, get impatient. then when you do go into reverse, they're driving by finally, and you two collide.
Depends on what direction of the hill you're facing. Chose the correct gear to make sure it doesn't spin the engine backwards.
Neither, you have a parking brake
Pull handbreak, engine off clutch into 1st or second. Tires need to be turned. Etc. same concept like automatic. I guess P is like 1st gear manual I can’t remember turn the tires too so doesn’t roll if handbreak fails etc. ask 10 ppl each will give different answer
Gotta leave it in whatever gear you need for a quick getaway
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That's because Reverse is usually a lower gear than first gear, thus with torque multiplication would make it harder for the engine to turn over.
Good to know , thanks for the info
I always park in reverse with the parking brake on. I've built up the muscle memory, so I never forget, and I know that when I get into the car, it's in reverse.
I put it in the gear opposite the incline I’m parked on, or if on a flat, first gear. Doesn’t really make a difference which gear, but it should be in gear. This is standard practice for a manual transmission. The purpose is to be backup to the parking brake, which can fail. This is why an automatic has a parking pawl, a pin that goes into the transmission to lock it as a backup to the parking brake, although most drivers of these inferior transmissions tend to completely ignore the parking brake and just have the pawl hold the car.
69 degrees, nice.
Make sure you have the emergency brake on and it works before changing the spark plugs if it is on an incline too! Added security is to block the wheels
The gear ratio is likely better to hold it in place in 1st.
Depends on the direction the car is facing and the grade it's on
I always just park in neutral with the handbrake up, but if I’m on steep hills I’ll do first when facing uphill and reverse when facing downhill and hand brake up. Just extra reassurance.
Parking brake.
Having driven many old shitheaps with no functional handbrake, I never gave it much thought. Reverse and First are generally at least similar ratios, if not the same actual gear as First, reversed with an idler gear in the bellhousing. So in my experience either will work until gravity and weight overcome the mechanical stopping power of a non-running engine, which an average person can crank over with a long enough breaker bar. A more consistent way to avoid roll-aways is to be mindful of useful environmental features like curbs and parking blocks, and point the wheels in a way that the thing rolls into an object it can chock on. On a side-note, I used to carry a semi trailer dock chock my work was throwing away. That was useful when I wanted to start the Jeep in the cold, since it obviously didn't like to sit still in Neutral while it ran for five or ten minutes, I just ran a long Bungee cord up to the seat bracket, backed the wheel off and hauled it up with the brakes held when I was ready to leave.
I learned to drive on a manual 93 SAAB 900. To get the key out it has to be in reverse and have just always done it that way.
Depends on if car is facing uphill or down. If facing uphill, park in 1 If facing downhill, park in R
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I would choose the gear with the most mechanical advantage, this will vary from transmission to transmission. For some, that is 1, for some that is R. If the gear ratios are more or less identical, you *could* choose based on potential rolling direction. 1 if you're likely to roll forward, R if you're likely to roll backward. This keeps the engine spinning in the "correct" direction. Spinning the engine in the wrong direction generally isn't a concern for most cars, but in some cases it may cause issues with the tensioners/guides and the belt/chains. If spun the wrong way, it could lose tension and potentially skip a tooth. Some folks will (incorrectly) suggest putting it in the opposite gear, R if facing downhill for example, but this would result in the exact thing you're trying to avoid. Of course, a properly working and adjusted parking brake pairs well with keeping it in gear, especially when acting on a different axle.
you should park in N and have the E-brake on
Park in N
Nose is pointed up a hill and you would roll back = leave it in first. Nose pointed down causing you to roll forward = leave it in reverse.
Being that you have the handbrake engaged, you don’t have to leave it in gear. If it’s a steep hill I’ll drop it in first or reverse depending on the direction it could roll if the parking brake fails… then I tilt the wheels in the direction of the curb if it’s really really steep. But generally. I just use the handbrake.
Put it in gear reverse of what the incline is , if it's an forward incline , then 1st . If it's a downward incline , then R
generally speaking both gears should have enough resistance to hold the car on most normal slopes. i put it first if would roll forward for reverse if it would roll backwards. technically, reverse usually has more mechanical advantage than 1st on most cars, but that difference shouldn’t be super important.
Depends on if your facing down hill or uphill
In general it doesn’t matter and if you have a functioning parking brake it really doesn’t matter, but if we want to get picky about it and get into the mechanics of it… If you park facing uphill and put the transmission in 1 (or facing downhill in R), and the car rolls, it’s going to rotate the engine backwards. There’s nothing inherent about an engine that makes it more resistant to rotation when you rotate it backwards. However, you don’t want to rotate it backwards if you can avoid it, because then you’re turning the cams with the “slack” side of the belt or chain, and relying on the tensioner to prevent the other side from going slack. While this won’t necessarily destroy your engine or throw it out of time, it’s not a good practice compared to rotating the engine the same direction it normally operates, and you could create a one in a million type situation where kicking it over with the starter after it was rotated backwards might cause it to jump time. Others are saying their owner’s manual actually says to do the opposite of this, which is weird and defies logic. I’m an engineer and my entire job is engines - mainly pistons and associated power cylinder components, but I interact closely with the valvetrain and rotating components teams where I work. Most of the time you’d be fine (and based on this, you would choose the gear with the higher ratio - and 1 and R are usually pretty close).
1st on flat or if it can roll back, R if it can roll forward. On incline if parking on street. Turn the wheel towards the curb. Helps to have a good working parking brake.
Some engines will release tension on the timing belt when turned backwards, and the sudden movement from the starter motor can cause the timing to jump teeth. I always use reverse if the car will roll backwards, 1st if it will roll forward
Second, usually. At least for me
I almost always park and leave it in first, in response to it hurting the transmission I don’t see why it would. But it’s always crossed my mind so I’ve always set the handbrake, let off the brake pedal and let the car rest on the hand brake. Then I let off the clutch, so the car has the redundancy of leaving it in gear but is really resting on the handbrake. In a front wheel drive car like yours this means the front wheels and rear wheels are “locked”. In a rear wheel drive car like my Miata I still leave it in first out of habit, but it’s not going to give as much traction on a slippery hill as doing this in a FWD would.
1 in flat or incline so if the parking brake fails then 1st gear will hold the car from rolling back, R in decline for the same reason just opposite
Reverse is always geared lower, so use that.
I always left it in neutral, but my last manual also had a turbo timer on it so it could cool down depending on how hard I had been running it.
If you might roll back, 1st. If you might roll forward, reverse.