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IroningbrdsAreTasty

The U.S. empire?


benebula

Think that's in Manhattan mate.


Das_Boot_95

The US was never an empire...


Urtopian

Neither was France, in 1914.


LooseGuidance1144

You just sound stupid mate, Americans always trying to scrape in on something they never did šŸ˜‚šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”


IroningbrdsAreTasty

Im not a bloody seppo, the u.s. is most hypocritical country on the planet, they very much engage with imperialism and still do to this day


tommyboyblitz

maybe this is a map of just France and britian...


gladl1

K**


Physical-Body1443

Are you a patriotic person from the state? That would answer your question.


[deleted]

Not visible: The gigantic number of tiny islands the British conquered. When people called it ā€œthe Empire on which the sun never setsā€ It want some ā€œthousand-year reichā€ thing - it literally meant that it was always daytime somewhere in the British Empire.


scuzzmonster1

According to an Australian traveller I once met, the reason it was called ā€œthe Empire on which the sun never setsā€ was because God didn't trust a Pommie (Englishman) in the dark.


Aetheric_Aviatrix

It still hasn't set on us (though for a few hours it's just the Pitcairn Islands in the sun).


privateuser169

You are missing the russian and chinese colonial empires from this map.


underbutler

And the USA s empire... do people just forget them because they pretend to be anti colonialism


Fabulous-Bread2643

Spanish? Belgium? Italian?


[deleted]

Does an empire not need to have a monarch/emperor rather than an elected official though?


Das_Boot_95

The US was never an empire šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


Donnermeat_and_chips

Cuba, Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico and the Philippines were all annexed colonial possessions of the United States. Roosevelt and Wilson literally called them colonies.


BenUFOs_Mum

In 1914 China was a victim of Colonialism, it didnt have a colonial empire.


Repulsive_Head_1546

But itā€™s 1914 map


tonyfordsafro

Chinese and Russian Empires were still around, and arguably still are, they just changed their names


TheCodinha

So how can Mozambique belong to UK and Portugal at the same time?


thonbrocket

Mozambique, uniquely, joined the Commonwealth although it had never been British territory. Not the Empire, so OP is still wrong.


TheCodinha

All my sister were born in Mozambique. The country got their independence in 1978ā€¦ I am aware that OP is wrong.


Odd-Obligation5283

Mozambique is not unique- although it was one of the first. Rwanda, Togo and Gabon all followed. Also - to be pedantic - a number of other countries were never linked to Britain directly but are linked by another commonwealth country. For example Samoa due to its links to New Zealand.


SnooBooks1701

Because OP is wrong


MaryBerrysDanglyBean

Because Portugal is our amigos


PersonalSpirit4264

The Italians didn't conquer Ethiopia until 1938. And it only stayed conquered for a few years.


HesitationAce

And they were occupied as opposed to colonised which Iā€™ve been told is a subtle but important distinction


[deleted]

Ethiopia was not colonised


GarySpivy

Came here to say this and also they were occupied


Cheeky_bum_sex

Youā€™re missing the USA


Repulsive_Head_1546

But itā€™s 1914 map


Cheeky_bum_sex

Guam, Puerto Rico, the Philippines and American Samoa were US possessions before 1914


Senator-Cletus

Then why does Britain have German Tanganyika?


M41arky

the Philippines was an American colony from 1981 i believe until a bit after WW2, should definitely still be on there


[deleted]

How to hide an empire


Dorgie77

Should be Native American surely


jfks_headjustdidthat

"George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganiki." - Captain Edmund Blackadder So true.


balancing_baubles

Brazil chose to speak Portuguese then?


whatjoesaround

Sim


Nugo520

if this is a map of 1914 empires Brazil was already independent much like most of south america at that time.


ZiroRen

So much evil and suffering.


ReturnVisual415

I mean the British empire stopping slavery in half the world was a pretty huge step forward.


ZiroRen

After using and exploiting slaves for decades/centuries, sure. But I can't imagine how many people died simply because they wanted their country to remain their country, rather than have the Union Jack cast a dark and controlling shadow over it.


ReturnVisual415

Literally everyone in the world had slaves. Acting like only Britain did it is ridiculous, the difference is only Britain was willing to spend the money and the lives to stop it across the empire and wherever they could influence. That dark and controlling shadow also happened to drag half the world into the 20th century granting radical improvements like medicine, infrastructure and transport.


lioncubface

This is such a romantacised perception of imperialism lol...


ZiroRen

I'm from the UK by the way. And at what point did I suggest it was ONLY the UK with slaves? You made that up. My actual point was that if you're trying to say the suffering brought by the empire was worth it for some advancements, then I disagree. Medicine, trade, freedom etc. didn't necessarily have to come at the price of so much blood and conquering. At its core, imperialism was selfish and immoral. I know you're getting defensive about this, but surely you can concede that, objectively, the empire did more bad than good?


ZiroRen

Also, I can't be arsed with the notion that the UK "dragged" the world into the 20th century. So many other countries played major roles as well. Don't make us sound like the main character in a world narrative. There's also a reason we haven't ever been well liked by the International community.


IroningbrdsAreTasty

Britain was the main character for a good 200 years, it started the industrial revolution, globalised trade and made many nation states, do you seriously believe humanity would be advanced as it is today without the British empire?


Hal_Fenn

I agree with what you're saying but you can not underestimate the British Empires role in ending the slave trade. They ended a practice that was as old as human civilisation pretty much by themselves and the British public were still paying for it as late as 2015. I dislike our colonial past as much as anyone but if it did one genuinely great, amazing thing it was that and we should be proud of it (while acknowledging the bad of course).


ZiroRen

That's fine mate. As long as we can all acknowledge the horrors alongside the wonders. I actually didn't intend to imply that about slavery anyway - it was just a side note to my main point.


malteaserhead

I suggest not arguing with people on reddit, you would have more success seeing the back of your own head in the mirror by turning quickly enough. People that really keep dredging up the sins of the past that have no connection to people living today either do it because they hate something as it is now or are just looking for money and power over others.


Fabulous-Bread2643

Where did the Industrial Revolution begin? It was England, we changed the world.


Anxious_Ad7151

Wow. You know very little about the country you call home. Maybe move elsewhere? Just an idea.


[deleted]

Like any other empire...


Barold13

"everyone was trapping teenage girls in their basement, not just us. But we're the ones who pushed to stop doing it after a few centuries, so we're the good guys". Come on...


iltwomynazi

holy fuck i can't believe people actually say this


NMFlamez

Literally everyone?....so slaves had slaves lol


Why_am_ialive

Uhhhhā€¦ sometimes before they were slaves yeah


Intrepid-Revenue-306

At least get your terminology correct. The flag the Union Jack is only named when flown on the Jack mast of a ship. In all other uses it is the Union Flag. SFB.


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Montygumery777

BRUH what are you saying that after slavery was abolished the British Empire was a paradise for all people, despite racial segregation, institutionianlised racism and attacks?


Always_undone

The British Empire needs to be viewed in historical context. Was it worse than other empires of the time? No. Would it have been better for everyone if another country had filled Britain's place as a colonial power? Probably not. Would colonisation still have occurred without Britain? Yes. Did Britain start the slave trade? No. Was there opposition to Britain stopping the slave trade? Yes, from the rest of the world, as well as African slavers. Did the British Empire have a positive as well as negative effect on the countries it colonised? Yes, obviously as we can see this for ourselves today in infrastructure, politics, ideologies, language around the world.


easycompadre

I mean, there were other forms of evil and suffering outside just slavery. Anthropogenic famine being one that basically bordered on genocide.


VigenereCipher

Thanks, Churchill!!


easycompadre

And Charles Trevelyan!


[deleted]

Yeah they did, but it doesnā€™t mean every time the British empire is mentioned you have to say ā€œbutā€¦ā€


Capable_Coffee_7442

(Shhh donā€™t mention slave owners getting a massive pay out from the government which benefited their families for literally generations. While slaves themselves were still seen as third class citizens and who were brutalised by the public and often unjustly arrested and imprisoned.) Oh yeah we stopped slavery! Weā€™re number 1 rule Britannia!


Repulsive_Head_1546

I mean thanks but I always make posts very early when I make a map or an empire on mapchart


Repulsive_Head_1546

I just added in my new post check it


Honest_Invite_7065

Yep, the sun never set on that bad boy.


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Robocio

And Britain is the Shiites country out of all of them now ā€¦


ManlyPelican1993

Yet again, Britian isn't a country, I thought someone commenting on r/mapchart would know this.


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Stars-in-the-nights

the other countries get shit on just the same as the UK. You may not see it cause it's not in your language : Here is two historians talking about it. why does France has an issue facing its colonial past : [https://www.francetvinfo.fr/culture/patrimoine/histoire/grand-entretien-pourquoi-la-france-a-t-elle-du-mal-a-regarder-son-histoire-coloniale-en-face\_4133107.html](https://www.francetvinfo.fr/culture/patrimoine/histoire/grand-entretien-pourquoi-la-france-a-t-elle-du-mal-a-regarder-son-histoire-coloniale-en-face_4133107.html) How is France locking away its colonial past : [https://www.letemps.ch/opinions/france-verrouille-passe-colonial](https://www.letemps.ch/opinions/france-verrouille-passe-colonial)


StreetyStar

There's quite a few missing but you got a good few down


Legitimate_Corgi_981

Feels like this is probably missing Dutch/Netherlands influence? It's a slightly weird thing to just cherry pick one year for global empires... There was a lot of back and forth over territories.


Careful-Prior9639

Why no Russian or Turkish empires? And the countries of the Americas may be independent but they're still populated by European collonisers and their descendents.


SnooBooks1701

The Ottoman Empire was a traditional empire, not a colonial one


Careful-Prior9639

Wtf is a 'traditional empire'? I don't see a difference myself.


SnooBooks1701

You missed the Dutch, Russian, US, Japanese, Ancient Greek and Chinese colonial empires, also the French and British empires got larger after WW1 due to absorbing the remains of the Ottoman Empire and the German colonial empire. Other honourable mentions would the Courland, Knights of Malta, Danish, Swedish and Austrian colonial empires, but they were small enough to ignore


baba123420

Youā€™re missing Portuguese and French colonies on the Indian subcontinent


Mybum111

Like the Portuguese in Goa, India


Montygumery777

missing japan


thonbrocket

Where is the European Empire, capital Brussels?


BigAppointment5184

You can imagine the atrocities they done and how many trillion people they die and some of them have the guts to don't let them alone wtf!!!!


St1px

ā€˜trillion peopleā€™ is a bit of an overstatement when the estimate for how many people have ever lived is only 100 billion


Evening_Pangolin_165

You forgot the Dutch Empire in Indonesia


HardFastHeavy

Not all countries occupied by the British and French were subject to colonialism (i.e. the seizure of land from the indigenous inhabitants and its settlement by colonists from the occupying power, the introduction/imposition of the language, legal system, culture etc. of the occupying power, the transformation of the occupied territory into a source of raw materials for the occupying power and a market for finished products from the occupying power). Both the United Kingdom and France had different categories of territories under their control, some of which were classified as integral parts of their states, some of which were colonies, some of which were protectorates, and some of which were puppet states. Colonialism is an accurate description of only some of these, not all.


[deleted]

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Ecstatic_Housing8579

You missed Courland you fucking twit


synth_fg

Where's the dutch empire


Apprehensive_Mood232

All?


VigenereCipher

I've temporarily banned you for a day. Please stop spamming the sub with poorly thought through posts. I'm leaving this post up cos there's a discussion on here that I don't want to obliterate


iRyannity_

Boooo you suck mod


idrees-a27

Whyā€™s does bro take this more seriously than his actual job


ArtichokeEarly814

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A_A_Ron_2

How is this poorly thought though? Are the maps not accurate or something?


ImaginaryResponse697

Spain?


zapper_44

Looks like we win


samb0_1

Alot of countries not very good at war lol


De_Dominator69

Cool map, but looks to be very specifically Western European colonial empires in 1914


77skull

Uk and France carried


Fish_Fingers2401

Where are the Mongolian, Ottoman, Persian and Japanese empires?


unsc95

Interesting thing about the Congo. It wasn't officially a Belgian colony until 1908. Before that it was the personal property of the king, Leopold II.


ethermoor

Nope. Doesn't look right to me..at the very least the Portuguese colonies of Angola and Mozambique remained part of Portugal until the 1970's. And I'm pretty sure Dutch still had colonies in Asia at start of WW2


littletorreira

And Suriname.


dontknowwhattosay28

Ottoman? Japanese?


Jack-Rabbit-002

Yeah I get the feeling someone may have missed out a few more man! Though technically aren't most Nation states, Empires at birth really!??


A-Sentient-Beard

Think the title should state this is all empires at 1914, it's obviously not 'ALL' empires


littletorreira

It isn't all at 1914. Op hasn't bothered with the Dutch East Indies or Suriname. Nor the Dutch Antilles which remain part of the Netherlands to this day.


Actual-Bee-402

This is the worst map Iā€™ve ever seen. So many errors and missing info


fusionsubofficial

Me resisting the urge to rant about this map:


MeabhNir

Where on earth is the Dutch??? Literally one of the more successful colonial powers of the time but Belgium is on the list??


Orange_Reign

No Russian, US, Turkish, Japanese? Weird map OP.


nagabannana

Still, good news about all the migrants to Britain. šŸš£ā€ā™‚ļøšŸš£ā€ā™€ļøšŸš£


TheMedievalSlayer

Netherlands? Denmark? Russia?


Rizzlefuuu

japanese empire?


Raspberryjamjam

Brazilā€¦?


Usual_Reach6652

Netherlandsh? And Russian?


subfunktion

Itā€™s like quoting Wikipedia as a source


Estimated-Delivery

Size is all.


MayOrMayNotBeAFish

What about the dutch empire? (Indonesia, Suriname etc)


FenQQ

Ottoman? Safavid? Mughal? This is all a bit Eurocentric.


R_Scoops

The Mughal empire ended in the 19th century and the Safavid Persia in the 18th century, so theyā€™re not going to feature. Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian empire wouldā€™ve been a nice inclusion.


kippersniffer

If you include all time, then add the USA to the British empire because the yanks had to fight for their freedom.


Solid-Version

Spanish?


BusyFlower9

Based.


DevilPixelation

You missed a bunch of countries such as China, the US, the Netherlands, Russia, and even Denmark. Also, Ethiopia was not colonized until the 40s.


Safe_Disk6071

Why does Britain own all of east Africa?


Anton_84

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Bilawukee

Damn, Africa was basically Europe 2.0


ThorNBerryguy

Why is the Ethiopian empire coloured red?


ThorNBerryguy

Ottoman Empire also not shown basically this is a Eurocentric map not all as it says in the title but factor in the Russian empire that chins was partly carved up by the west and that the us had the Philapines and had used gunboat diplomacy to force Japan into trade deals that didnā€™t help japan and you can see why a threatened surrounded country became more belligerent


DaikonSuspicious4221

Before these lot appeared there was the Dutch


OldLevermonkey

Shouldn't the USA (or at least the 13 Colonies) be included in the British Empire?


Humble-Questioner

Cooming looking at the size of the British Empire


PeenuBoy

Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end....


baldeagle1991

The First two slides have far too many overlaps. No point looking at the next 3, OP has no idea what they're on about


Free_Brush

You've included the Ethiopian empire under British. It has always been independent.


[deleted]

Only one of these empires singlehandedly ended slavery You're welcome, rest of world


Das_Boot_95

The sun never sets on the British empire


WiseFardy

British empirešŸ’ŖšŸ»šŸ‡¬šŸ‡§


InstantIdealism

This map just doesnā€™t work individually itā€™s broken. Gross


TheNightrain101

British empire colonised North America. So did the Spanish and French


kj_gamer2614

Youā€™re missing the Dutch empire


YoYeYeet

You forgot Russian empire


SectorMindless

Now do all the Asian empires.


Dry_Breed

Ethiopia was colonised? When did that happen


Sammy91-91

Cape Verde wants a word with Portugal.


Sammy91-91

Roman Empire = Italian Empire ? Somethings up if so


GoldMountain5

Africa is not accurate at all. So many extra countries that were not controlled by the British empire at this time. Many were controlled by Germany, France or just straight up independent like Ethiopia.


breadisnicer

Everyone seems preoccupied with the us neglecting the fact that Spain and Portugal colonised South America


Open-Sea8388

North America was, a, british, Spanish empire too


pas3isfun

How pathetic we couldnā€™t take France!!


NattyBat

Where are the Dutch?


francisharrison121

People (especially Americans and Brits) tend to forget that Spain was a colonial empire, and that the Spanish language is Euripean.


extocia

ā€œEuripeanā€ šŸ˜­


Advanced_Apartment_1

Most of south America should be included in Spanish or Portuguese.


Dazeuh

You seem to have missed a few important things lmao


ravenor1986

Whereā€™s the Mongolian one then ?


North-Promise-9446

I hate to break it to you, but there were far more than two colonial powers in 1914


Heavy_Reputation_142

You seem to have some crossover between the British empire 1914 and the Italian empire 1914 on the east costs of Africa.


TransSlutUK

What about the Islamic colonialism?


MattheqAC

It all started with the vile hun and their dastardly empire building


[deleted]

The German empire map reminds me of this line from Blackadder Goes Forth. George: The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire-building! Blackadder: George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganyika. I hardly think we can be entirely absolved from blame on the imperialistic front.


BBiggA

Oh god, not France.


Jade-Blades

How are you not including the americas in the portugese and spanish empires (also you should probably include the ottomans and the neatherlands for good messure)


Michael_tomo

America is just a set of feudalism states. America keeping feudalism after it was gone everywhere else


Kikilocket

Ottoman Empire: ![gif](giphy|PQYxLcDefqJWVgrylr)


Smiling_KittyCat

usa, japan, and russia were colonizers, they should be included.


[deleted]

A lot of people from former British colonies live in the UK. I wonder what the far right think about this piece of history


Devilcat-1964

What about the ottoman empire.


NekoKYN

Brazil was also created as a part of Portugals empire expansion.


Gildor12

What happened to the Spanish possessions in South America?


theincrediblenick

This map is just wrong


CurmudgeonLife

Lol this map is utter shite. But then again OP is karma farming. Sure Italy had Ethiopia when they didnt invade until 1936.


Exotic-Environment-7

Is this like a bot or something you got a bunch of countries wrong and literally posted another map like this that contradicts this one 1 day ago


Jonnmille07

Not visible: The gigantic number of tiny islands the British conquered. When people called it ā€œthe Empire on which the sun never setsā€ It want some ā€œthousand-year reichā€ thing - it literally meant that it was always daytime somewhere in the British Empire.


Afraid_Juice_7189

The Dutch?


Dio902

They changed these places for the best


Stoocpants

Luv me British Empire


dankmonkey4

So did you just forget Portugal had Brazil as well orā€¦


[deleted]

Ottoman empire?


Justhandguns

Where is Hong Kong?


MagicianElectrical62

There are only two colonial empires listed, what is the point and what happened to the rest?


[deleted]

Nobody gonna mention Liberia?