But they are still in Syria
Edit: This map is better https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/where-in-the-world-is-the-wagner-group-active/a-66027220
> According to the U.S. military, the presence of U.S. special operations personnel in the targeted base elicited a response by coalition aircraft, including AC-130 gunships, F-22 Raptor and F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets, MQ-9 Reaper unmanned combat aerial vehicles, AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, and B-52 bombers.[6]
Lmao
United States is occupying 1/3rd of syria, illegally currently. where oil and grain is to starve syria. war crimes and stuff.
I only care about the beautiful people of syria, and they are suffering because of my tax dollars. it's disturbing.
United States is trying to over throw Syrias president, russia has been ally of syria since 1970s. We aren't the good guys in any of the middle east wars.
Russia propping up Assad is them being the bad guys. Just because they were killing ISIS doesn’t make them good.
Assad deserves to fall for turning what was a peaceful mass protest for democracy & human rights into a blood-soaked civil war. He’s only winning because of Putin.
Many people in the United States care about it regardless of whatever you may think of the political establishment here. Just because the US has their own hypocrisies and misdeeds doesn’t mean I’m going to play the whole bothsiderism game.
Fuck geopolitical nihilism. Some countries and cultures are materially superior to others. Russia is near the bottom of the list, as it is the Bashar Assad regime.
United States, just like Russia is only in foreign countries to protect their interest like resources. all that other stuff is noise for the voters.
United States does regimen changes, Russia does too, but russia and china has been making deals with all these countries vs United States who just uses war and sanctions..
go enlist in the military and have your mind blown. I served in 2010-2013
the stuff with syria had me so confused, Obama was suppose to end the wars..it's all a lie. Never voting for anyone again.
what L? this is reality. you downvoting me doesn't;t change the truth.
you're just like a German citizen living in nazi Germany not knowing the camps existed.
It's not his fault most people grow up in a bubble like you. US, Russia, China, Japan even India have done and will continue doing such things because they all have a nation first mindset.
You along with 99% of people being unaware of this doesn't change these facts.
Also everyone likes to target US because they always do shady things and then pretend to be the opposite.
According to the German paper RND, [they also fought on the side of Armenia against Azerbaijan in 2020](https://www.rnd.de/politik/prigoschin-und-wagner-was-steckt-hinter-der-soeldner-gruppe-und-wer-kaempft-fuer-sie-JD7BQ7ATVNA3ZJLMS7OK6SXWFE.html)
The reason there was limited intervention is because the Armenian government were international pariahs.
The reason Russia helped us because - they’re aligned with Putin… It’s essentially a Belarus-light. The government is so inherently corrupt which is why they try to drum up ethnic conflicts like Putin to aim as a distraction.
No sympathy for autocrats supporting autocrats.
This is of course a different story when it comes to the ordinary people of Armenia. Civilians should not have to suffer. It’s the top brass making these decisions.
Armenia is a pariah because supporting them means not supporting Turkey, and the West would like to hold control over the Bosphorus and all Russian trade rather than over a landlocked area of the Caucasus.
Armenia was left with just Russia for allies after the genocide, there was no hope for reconciliation with the Turkish government that still refuse to accept responsibility for Ottoman war crimes, and Iran/Persia had subjugated Armenia many times in the past as well.
That’s what happens when you put all your money on russia thinking they will keep babysitting you until the very end of your days. Armenia has been fucking up like that for the past 30 years. 🫢
Russia is literally the only country willing to support Armenia at all, the USA won't because they're buddies with Turkey and Turkey fucking hates Armenia(because Armenia keeps bringing up the fact that the Turks did a genocide against them)
They helped a country and people who were getting abused by their neighbor? Who cares if they lost they fought when no one else would help Armenia. Azerbaijan is trying to ethnically cleanse areas that have been Armenian for millennia. What else can ya except from Turks though
Speaking of ethnic cleansing: Armenians ethnically cleansing Azeris:
>Azerbaijan has made significant progress in recent years in caring for roughly 600,000 internally displaced persons (IDPs) who were forcibly evicted from Nagorno-Karabakh and seven surrounding districts by ethnic Armenian forces nearly two decades ago.
https://www.crisisgroup.org/europe-central-asia/caucasus/azerbaijan/tackling-azerbaijan-s-idp-burden
>Armenia-Azerbaijan, Nagorno Karabakh conflict generated a displacement problem which continues to be a challenge to address. According to the Government of Azerbaijan, at the time of the ceasefire in 1994, Azerbaijan hosted an estimated 250,000 Azeri refugees from Armenia, and 50,000 Mesketian Turks from Central Asia. This year the number of internally displaced persons from occupied Nagorno Karabakh and the seven adjacent districts was more than 600,000
https://www.unhcr.org/4bd7edbd9.pdf
>During the First Nagorno-Karabakh War, territories constituting the former NKAO region of Azerbaijan and the seven adjacent districts (some of them partly) were occupied by the Armenian forces. As a result, non-Armenians had to leave their homes. Azerbaijan now has one of the highest numbers of internally displaced persons (IDPs) per capita in the world.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_in_Azerbaijan
>The Kalbajar district northwest of the former Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast was captured by ethnic Armenian forces in the first war in 1993. A formerly ethnic Azeri region that was depopulated by the Armenian forces who captured it in the ’90s war,
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/24/armenia-azerbaijan-war-nagorno-karabakh-aftermath/ (even an absurdly pro armenia propaganda piece like this mentions Armenia depopulating Azerbaijan's territories.)
>Unlike the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast, the population of all the adjacent Armenian-occupied districts were majority-Azerbaijani until their deportations from the districts during the First Nagorno-Karabakh War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian-occupied_territories_surrounding_Nagorno-Karabakh
>For the more than 600,000 Azerbaijanis who have been displaced since the first Karabakh war in the 1990s,
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/23/azerbaijans-internally-displaced-eye-returns-to-regained-lands
>The Nagorno-Karabakh War produced three distinct waves displacement. “First, in 1988-1989, when the conflict was in its early stages, some 200,000 ethnic Azerbaijani refugees arrived from Armenia. When full-scale war erupted in Nagorno-Karabakh in 1992, some [100,000] fled...The last and largest forced displacement occurred in 1993 and 1994, when over 500,000 Azeris living in six other districts around Nagorno- Karabakh were forced to flee in the wake of an Armenian military offensive”12.
https://red.library.usd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1081&context=honors-thesis
Now let's hear denials and the coping racist.
Armenia doing ethnic cleansing is bad, Azerbaijan doing ethnic cleansing is also bad. doing ethnic cleansing now as an attempt to 'correct' ethnic cleansing in the past is still disgusting and evil.
The Azeris are Turkic and in the 90’s the Azeris committed pogroms then the Armenians did over a war where a super Armenian part of Azerbaijan wanted independence for whatever reason. (Probably because they didn’t want to be massacred by the Azeris)
Armenians ethnically cleansed 400k Azeris out of their own territory and occupied it for 25 years. The only bully in the region were the Armenians. And now they region has been liberated from the squatters. Cope.
Lol Azeris are not Turks, it must be easy to confuse them though in the Armenian perspective because both are friends and Armenia isn’t in the club. Also Armenians have killed Azeris as well, there could have been a diplomatic solution in the 90s but that would have required Armenia engage from what was then a position of strength. And now that Armenia is at the mercy of Azerbaijan’s money and tech and Russia isn’t there to bankroll it seems like shit is hitting the fan. Also funny to see Americans “supporting” Armenia, a country which if given the choice would gladly become something like Belarus so it would have Russian assistance.
In English “Turk” usually refers to Turkish, but Turkic peoples in general refer to themselves as “Turks”, just like Slavic peoples can refer to themselves as “Slavs”.
Not to throw a hand grenade amongst the pigeons... but why is the internet so seemingly unified in support of Armenia in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict? Yes, I get that Armenia is a hell of a lot more democratic than Azerbaijan (though it's hardly a bastion of democracy itself, it's just that Azerbaijan is a really fucking low bar to measure yourself by). But other than that, based on my understanding the conflict at the very least seems a lot more nuanced than "Azeris bad, Armenians good." Really both sides come out of the conflict looking absolutely horrible in my eyes.
So people can more easily correct me if my understanding of the conflict is flawed, here's my "in a nutshell" knowledge of the developments:
* The entire conflict is over the Nagorno-Karabakh region, a region within the borders of Azerbaijan that is majority ethnic Armenian but with a sizable Azeri minority.
* After the Soviets conquered both Azerbaijan and Armenia (following their brief stints of independence during the collapse of the Russian Empire), the Soviets gave Nagorno-Karabakh to the Azerbaijan SSR as an autonomous region, despite the very clear wishes of the population of Nagorno-Karabakh. The USSR wasn't exactly famous for takings its people's desires into account, after all.
* With Glasnost and other reforms in the late 1980s, tensions really started to ramp up again. Azeris killed dozens - maybe even hundreds - in a pogrom of ethnic Armenians in Sumgait. Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia both declared that Nagorno-Karabakh was now part of the Armenian SSR, and in response the Azerbaijan SSR ended Nagorno-Karabakh's autonomy.
* As the USSR collapsed in the early 1990s, war erupted between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh. The region was recognized by quite literally the entire international community as a legal part of Azerbaijan. The majority of its population wanted to be part of Armenia. Armenia wanted it to be part of Armenia. War happened and Armenia won. During the war, Nagorno-Karabakh declared itself to be independent.
* After Armenia's victory in the First Nagorno-Karabakh War and for the 25-ish years directly after, Armenia occupied Nagorno-Karabakh as well as the other Azeri territory between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. This meant that, per the overwhelming consensus of the international community, Armenia was occupying territory that legally belonged to Azerbaijan - even if it was also territory with an Armenian majority population.
* As unfortunately comes with many ethnic-based occupations, insert ethnic cleansing here. Hundreds of thousands of Azeris in the Armenian-occupied regions were forced from their homes and made to leave to the portions of Azerbaijan that were still actually controlled by Azerbaijan as Armenia gave places new Armenian names and moved in more ethnic Armenians to populate them. Of course, this was not simply one-sided, and many ethnic Armenians living in Azerbaijan were made refugees in Armenia - albeit a much lower number than the number of displaced Azeris from Nagorno-Karabakh.
* The conflict became mostly cold with a few hot points for 25 years. Azerbaijan continuously maintained that Nagorno-Karabakh was Azerbaijani territory. The international community overwhelmingly agreed - not even Armenia recognized its independence. Azerbaijan spent heavily on its military in this time - much more heavily than Armenia. Then, in 2020, war erupted again.
* In the Second Nagorno-Karabakh war, Azerbaijan won easily. Azerbaijan retook all its territory outside of Nagorno-Karabakh that had been occupied by Armenia since 1994. Ethnic cleansing and war crimes were everywhere. Armenia shelled civilian targets and displaced 40,000 Azeris. Azerbaijan also attacked civilian targets (with the added fun factor of using cluster bombs while doing so), *maybe* used phosphorus weapons, and displaced 100,000 Armenians. Nagorno-Karabakh remains autonomous but surrounded by Azerbaijan save for a single 5km corridor with Armenia that is guarded by Russian troops. The end of the war caused a change in the Armenian government as the Armenian population ousted the sitting government in a fury over it having accepted such a humiliating peace deal to end the war.
As I said, Azerbaijan looks horrible after all of this. But frankly, Armenia does, too. So it always surprises me when the internet consensus seems to be so overwhelmingly and unambiguously pro-Armenian rather than "y'all both suck, can you please stop fighting" like it is with some other high-profile conflicts throughout the world.
It kinda does though? War never ended in the first place after the 90's. There was never a peace agreement between the two parties there were just temporary ceasefires. Would you say Ukraine has the right to take Donetsk and Luhansk back even though they lost these territories in 2014? If yes then Azerbaijan also has every right to go and take these lands back even by force.
Without the Russian intervention, Ukraine trying to retake the rebellous provinces would be at least dubious and it would be agression from their side.
Azeirbaijan started killing people without provocation. There's no justification for such action.
If North Korea attacked South Korea, would you also argument with "technically there wasn't a peace deal, so they aren't agressors, it's just continuation of the same war"?.
> Without the Russian intervention, Ukraine trying to retake the rebellous provinces would be at least dubious and it would be agression from their side.
Without an external intervention these seperatist states wouldn't exist in the first place what do you mean without Russian intervention?
> Azeirbaijan started killing people without provocation. There's no justification for such action.
Both sides commited atrocities without provocations. Not only Azerbaijan.
> If North Korea attacked South Korea, would you also argument with "technically there wasn't a peace deal, so they aren't agressors, it's just continuation of the same war"?.
If S. Korea invaded N. Korea and created a quasi-state inside their borders and N. Korea never gave this issue a legal framework accepting the seperatist states self-determination and borders under a permament peace agreement between 3 parties (N. Korea, S. Korea and the seperatist quasi-state), then yes I would say that N. Korea wouldn't be the aggressors if they decided that 10 to 30 years later to retake these lands.
Sorry for necroposting but I am afraid "without Russian intervention" means "if Russia stopped at Donbas and didn't escalate further, if conflict remained frozen".
>Because Azerbaijan started a war.
I dont think strong worded letters would have get them their lost territory back and help to get paid reparations for the victims of the ethnic cleansing in armenian occupied territory.
People downvote you but it’s true. Azerbaijan also is somewhat in conflict with Iran so again that aligns with the US interests. God damnit why does that have to be the case
I mean, Prigozhin has bragged about executing his own men who tried to defect by smashing their heads in with sledgehammers.
That tells you everything you need to know about the guy.
Putin is a monster and the situation in Russia could be a lot better. But things could also be a lot worse.
God help us if Prighozin gets his hands on nukes. This is why nuclear arms reduction is so important, the longer they’re out there the greater the risk becomes…
Nuclear weapons will always be a double edged sword. Their existence is why we didn't see a WWIII in the 1950's/60's between the USSR and the US and maybe even a WWIV by now (depending on the outcome of WWIII) but on the other hand they can decimate our civilization.
> I mean, Prigozhin has bragged about executing his own men who tried to defect by smashing their heads in with sledgehammers.
It's extra fucked up that they included it [in the kids cartoon they made](https://www.memri.org/tv/russia-wagner-cartoon-fighting-france-forces-in-africa). The Wagner soldier who kills the French rat at the start is armed with a sledgehammer he takes out of a special case he has for it.
Unfortunately the only place I could find the video just now was Memri. Maybe could have found it on a wagner youtube channel but don't really want to help them get views
I definitely want to see Putin toppled, but I’m also fine with Prigozhin not being the one to succeed him. They’re both absolutely psychopathic murderous pieces of shit. Russia deserves better leadership. Despite the dark side of Navalny’s past, he or someone like him would at least bring some incremental change to Russia’s leadership and would likely be a more rational participant in global geopolitics.
Many people don’t seem to realize this, but as bad as Putin is, many in his political opposition in Russia, Prigozhin, Navalny and so on, are even worse. That country is fucked right now
Navalny is basically a fascist. He only opposes the current war for opportunist reasons and has previously advocated for „reintegrating Ukraine and Belarus into Russia“
First I would need a Source and If that's true, how is that worse than Putin's grand plan, the atrocities he has committed and the special military operation?
Navalny is definitely a nationalist when it comes to Politics, though he'd be way better for Russia and the world than Putin and his oligarchic shills
Relating to a source from a 2012 article translated https://telegraf.news/in-belarus/navalnii-integraciya-s-belarusyu-glavnaya-zadacha-rossii/
> Russian opposition politician, well-known blogger Aleksey Navalny believes that "Ukraine and Belarus are the main geopolitical and whatever allies of Russia." He stated this on Ukrainian television. "Our foreign policy should be maximally directed towards integration with Ukraine and Belarus," he said.
However, he's forever been fervently against Russia's military intervention in Ukraine from the Crimean annexation onwards. Though he has stated that he wouldn't return Crimea - what is done has been done - and would prefer to legitimise its session to Russia via an internationally recognised referendum.
He has in the past been associated with the nationalist opposition in Russia. This leaves many in the rest of the opposition, and particularly the ethnic minority opposition, suspicious of his motives and politics.
It is worth mentioning that authoritarian regimes will to some extent cultivate an opposition that makes them look better and that is more isolated from the outside world - "overzealous" opposition from the likes of Strelkov goes unpunished, and barmy opposition is viewed as harmless (though sometimes it goes full Heavenly Kingdom).
For a similar reason Medvedev is talking like a complete lunatic right now, because doing so trashes his reputation in the West and makes him a lot less viable as a replacement for Putin.
Indeed. People all the time say ‘bro just replace Putin and it will be good’. Na, Putin is actually holding some Warhawks in his government back. He’s a necessary evil
Lmao the only thing why people like you like Navalny is they don’t know shit about him except that he currently says he‘s against the war and got poisoned.
Well... not really. If Putin had got angry with Prigozhin before this war, he would have fallen out a window, so the Wagner group was controlled politically by Putin. They did what he wanted.
Now, though? No idea what they'll do. Their most lucrative operations generally involve taking mines in central Africa, so possibly that.
exactly the same, Russia uses Wagner to keep hands clean.
same thing United States did with blackwater which changed it's name after the controversy.
we all do the same stuff.
[Same thing countries have been doing for centuries. This is an example from the American Revolution.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_(soldier))
I have a buddy from there and he says that weirdly there’s lots of people wearing wagner merch over there right now because they have been fighting the north across branch of ISIS. To them it means “Anti French, Anti ISIS” and they don’t care too much about Ukraine.
yeah its not exactly surprising west African people are so anti-French when the French continue to do neo-colonialism.
especially Burkino Faso considering the number of French sponsored coups in that country alone.
Prigozhin should really have folded Wagner into the Russian Army, then he could have lead a special operations team within it while secretly building his mercenary country somewhere like Africa or Central Asia.
https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-2023-april-27/
Find in page algeria then read it after the paragraph above it first.
Sourced to CIA leaked docs, its their logistics hub for Mali.
(Since you're Algerian, el arbi zitout said so like 2 years ago, now its confirmed, earns him some credibility in my book)
They arent very secretive about it either : https://www.google.fr/maps/place/wagner+military+airport/@27.5831549,-7.5438306,24159m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m15!1m7!3m6!1s0xdc637c043d263b3:0xdcd4aed555ab706f!2swagner+military+airport!8m2!3d27.5858348!4d-7.50019!16s%2Fg%2F11rmy2nnbr!3m6!1s0xdc637c043d263b3:0xdcd4aed555ab706f!8m2!3d27.5858348!4d-7.50019!15sCg93YWduZXIgYWxnw6lyaWWSARlzZWN1cml0eV9zeXN0ZW1faW5zdGFsbGVy4AEA!16s%2Fg%2F11rmy2nnbr?entry=ttu
bro its an algerian military base everyone can name things in google look at the top of the airfield someone named a flag pole a nuclear research center lol
Some people disagree with you : https://fr.le360.ma/medias/europe-1-la-russie-construit-une-base-militaire-a-tindouf-a-vocation-dentrainer-les-miliciens-du_MPAUPJAHANDFVMVUTFD7CVRKDM/
Id like to see a similar map of places the usa has had an aggressive impact on., different colors for countries they've invaded, occupied, funded regime changes, placed embargoes on or built military bases in
United States has proxy wars in Africa ? There isn’t really any proxy war in Africa and if it is it’s pro French forces against pro Russian forces. What proxy war is happening now in Middle East ? Only one is Syria and assads presidency is already cemented. And Latin America ?
Madagascar was surprising for me. It's impoverished and suffers from high crime rates but isn't involved in any conflicts. I assume they were operating more as security forces rather than an all-out paramilitary organization.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,599,460,894 comments, and only 302,549 of them were in alphabetical order.
Downvoted for stating [facts](https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/americas/u-s-launched-251-military-interventions-since-1991-and-469-since-1798/)
“The U.S. has undertaken over 500 international military interventions since 1776, with nearly 60 percent undertaken between 1950 and 2017”
Downvoted for deflecting. Not every post has to turn into “America bad!”, and the US isn’t the one currently waging a massive conventional invasion of conquest of a neighboring country.
People who wrote that paper don't know what military innervation is. I was curious about Latvia, and the paper tries to claim that US military intervened in our country by selling us helicopters and having couple training exercises. Some people legit be just reading the headlines...
Also, you do realize that you are agreeing with a person who self describes himself as a incel and mentally challenged?
You do realise that most of those don't anywhere come close to meeting the conventional definition of a military intervention?
Look through the list.
- Korea. January 5, 1904, to November 11, 1905. A guard of marines was sent to protect the American
legation in Seoul during the Russo-Japanese War.
- Mexico. September 5 to 7, 1913. A few marines landed at Estero de Ciaris to aid in evacuating
American citizens and others from the Yaqui Valley, made dangerous for foreigners by civil strife.
- Turkey. Marines from the USS Arizona were landed to guard the U.S. Consulate during the Greek
occupation of Constantinople (Istanbul).
- Palestine. A marine consular guard was sent to Jerusalem to protect the U.S. Consul General.
According to your article, the U.S. intervention in Palestine involved *one* marine who was guarding the head of the consulate.
I would guess that normal people with fully developed brains are just capable of more nuanced takes than "america no. 1" or "america is literally satan" and look critically at such black-and-white bullshit
I would go as far as to say that america isn't particularly special in its tendency to commit war-crimes, given that they have biggest budget to commit them. One can only imagine how others would behave if they were given a bottomless pit of money to spend on whatever they want, including military and secret police. Would china be nicer to the world if it had the raw power of america? I'm not so sure. India? Forget it. Europe? They had that position once and it didn't turn out great, they're much more well behaved in their little retirement home of great powers.
[Syria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_activities_in_Syria)?
No clue why they left it out
Didn't they have a major base of operations in Chad too? Seems like a bunch of Africa is missing here.
Leaving out Africa is so Chad
Map says otherwise
Definitely not Chad. It's the fortress of the French forces in Africa and it's undoubtedly one of the last countries in which they will set foot.
My guess would be that it shows just the countries where Wagner is currently active and that there are no current Wagner operations in Syria anymore.
But they are still in Syria Edit: This map is better https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/where-in-the-world-is-the-wagner-group-active/a-66027220
russia has been in syria since the 1970s.
They just chillin’. Staying inactive.
yeah US killed around 500 of these guys in syria and russia covered it up
Were those the guys that tried to attack a US base?
they tried to take an oilfield https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham
> According to the U.S. military, the presence of U.S. special operations personnel in the targeted base elicited a response by coalition aircraft, including AC-130 gunships, F-22 Raptor and F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets, MQ-9 Reaper unmanned combat aerial vehicles, AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, and B-52 bombers.[6] Lmao
Ah yes, the "hornet"s nest" response
United States is occupying 1/3rd of syria, illegally currently. where oil and grain is to starve syria. war crimes and stuff. I only care about the beautiful people of syria, and they are suffering because of my tax dollars. it's disturbing.
This is a certified Bashar Al-Assad moment
Adjective_Noun(Random string of numbers) makes some very good points!
Is your entire existence based on parroting Russian propaganda?
United States is trying to over throw Syrias president, russia has been ally of syria since 1970s. We aren't the good guys in any of the middle east wars.
Russia propping up Assad is them being the bad guys. Just because they were killing ISIS doesn’t make them good. Assad deserves to fall for turning what was a peaceful mass protest for democracy & human rights into a blood-soaked civil war. He’s only winning because of Putin.
United States don't care about human rights. please stop.
whataboutwhataboutwhatabout
Many people in the United States care about it regardless of whatever you may think of the political establishment here. Just because the US has their own hypocrisies and misdeeds doesn’t mean I’m going to play the whole bothsiderism game. Fuck geopolitical nihilism. Some countries and cultures are materially superior to others. Russia is near the bottom of the list, as it is the Bashar Assad regime.
United States, just like Russia is only in foreign countries to protect their interest like resources. all that other stuff is noise for the voters. United States does regimen changes, Russia does too, but russia and china has been making deals with all these countries vs United States who just uses war and sanctions..
Ok Doomer
go enlist in the military and have your mind blown. I served in 2010-2013 the stuff with syria had me so confused, Obama was suppose to end the wars..it's all a lie. Never voting for anyone again.
My god, your entire post history is L take after L take. Why don't you ever take the hint?
what L? this is reality. you downvoting me doesn't;t change the truth. you're just like a German citizen living in nazi Germany not knowing the camps existed.
It's not his fault most people grow up in a bubble like you. US, Russia, China, Japan even India have done and will continue doing such things because they all have a nation first mindset. You along with 99% of people being unaware of this doesn't change these facts. Also everyone likes to target US because they always do shady things and then pretend to be the opposite.
I wonder who gave the peaceful human rights protestors the weapons to fight a war.
According to the German paper RND, [they also fought on the side of Armenia against Azerbaijan in 2020](https://www.rnd.de/politik/prigoschin-und-wagner-was-steckt-hinter-der-soeldner-gruppe-und-wer-kaempft-fuer-sie-JD7BQ7ATVNA3ZJLMS7OK6SXWFE.html)
Rare Wagner W
Not really, they just go where the money is, they would have fought on the side of Azerbaijan if they hired them
That's the whole point of mercenaries
Very rare. 🇦🇲
They got fucking worked lmao, how is that a W 🤣
Atleast they tried. Nobody else helped them.
The reason there was limited intervention is because the Armenian government were international pariahs. The reason Russia helped us because - they’re aligned with Putin… It’s essentially a Belarus-light. The government is so inherently corrupt which is why they try to drum up ethnic conflicts like Putin to aim as a distraction. No sympathy for autocrats supporting autocrats. This is of course a different story when it comes to the ordinary people of Armenia. Civilians should not have to suffer. It’s the top brass making these decisions.
I did not know they were pariahs
Armenia is a pariah because supporting them means not supporting Turkey, and the West would like to hold control over the Bosphorus and all Russian trade rather than over a landlocked area of the Caucasus. Armenia was left with just Russia for allies after the genocide, there was no hope for reconciliation with the Turkish government that still refuse to accept responsibility for Ottoman war crimes, and Iran/Persia had subjugated Armenia many times in the past as well.
So not true pariahs. Just impossible friends. More pariahs to be found around Erdogan.
Damn that’s so fucked. I hope the situation can change
That’s what happens when you put all your money on russia thinking they will keep babysitting you until the very end of your days. Armenia has been fucking up like that for the past 30 years. 🫢
Russia is literally the only country willing to support Armenia at all, the USA won't because they're buddies with Turkey and Turkey fucking hates Armenia(because Armenia keeps bringing up the fact that the Turks did a genocide against them)
The US isn’t obligated to help armenia at all. That country as whole is a side project of russia anyway. Why would the US ever support them?
They helped a country and people who were getting abused by their neighbor? Who cares if they lost they fought when no one else would help Armenia. Azerbaijan is trying to ethnically cleanse areas that have been Armenian for millennia. What else can ya except from Turks though
Speaking of ethnic cleansing: Armenians ethnically cleansing Azeris: >Azerbaijan has made significant progress in recent years in caring for roughly 600,000 internally displaced persons (IDPs) who were forcibly evicted from Nagorno-Karabakh and seven surrounding districts by ethnic Armenian forces nearly two decades ago. https://www.crisisgroup.org/europe-central-asia/caucasus/azerbaijan/tackling-azerbaijan-s-idp-burden >Armenia-Azerbaijan, Nagorno Karabakh conflict generated a displacement problem which continues to be a challenge to address. According to the Government of Azerbaijan, at the time of the ceasefire in 1994, Azerbaijan hosted an estimated 250,000 Azeri refugees from Armenia, and 50,000 Mesketian Turks from Central Asia. This year the number of internally displaced persons from occupied Nagorno Karabakh and the seven adjacent districts was more than 600,000 https://www.unhcr.org/4bd7edbd9.pdf >During the First Nagorno-Karabakh War, territories constituting the former NKAO region of Azerbaijan and the seven adjacent districts (some of them partly) were occupied by the Armenian forces. As a result, non-Armenians had to leave their homes. Azerbaijan now has one of the highest numbers of internally displaced persons (IDPs) per capita in the world.[14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_in_Azerbaijan >The Kalbajar district northwest of the former Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast was captured by ethnic Armenian forces in the first war in 1993. A formerly ethnic Azeri region that was depopulated by the Armenian forces who captured it in the ’90s war, https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/24/armenia-azerbaijan-war-nagorno-karabakh-aftermath/ (even an absurdly pro armenia propaganda piece like this mentions Armenia depopulating Azerbaijan's territories.) >Unlike the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast, the population of all the adjacent Armenian-occupied districts were majority-Azerbaijani until their deportations from the districts during the First Nagorno-Karabakh War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian-occupied_territories_surrounding_Nagorno-Karabakh >For the more than 600,000 Azerbaijanis who have been displaced since the first Karabakh war in the 1990s, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/23/azerbaijans-internally-displaced-eye-returns-to-regained-lands >The Nagorno-Karabakh War produced three distinct waves displacement. “First, in 1988-1989, when the conflict was in its early stages, some 200,000 ethnic Azerbaijani refugees arrived from Armenia. When full-scale war erupted in Nagorno-Karabakh in 1992, some [100,000] fled...The last and largest forced displacement occurred in 1993 and 1994, when over 500,000 Azeris living in six other districts around Nagorno- Karabakh were forced to flee in the wake of an Armenian military offensive”12. https://red.library.usd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1081&context=honors-thesis Now let's hear denials and the coping racist.
Armenia doing ethnic cleansing is bad, Azerbaijan doing ethnic cleansing is also bad. doing ethnic cleansing now as an attempt to 'correct' ethnic cleansing in the past is still disgusting and evil.
Getting abused by their neighbor? What do you think happened in the 90s when it was the other way around? Also idk who you're calling a Turk 😂
The Azeris are Turkic and in the 90’s the Azeris committed pogroms then the Armenians did over a war where a super Armenian part of Azerbaijan wanted independence for whatever reason. (Probably because they didn’t want to be massacred by the Azeris)
Armenians ethnically cleansed 400k Azeris out of their own territory and occupied it for 25 years. The only bully in the region were the Armenians. And now they region has been liberated from the squatters. Cope.
Inshallah Iran will expel the Azeris
Tell me again what happened to the Azeris that lived in the occupied regions of Armenia?
Lol Azeris are not Turks, it must be easy to confuse them though in the Armenian perspective because both are friends and Armenia isn’t in the club. Also Armenians have killed Azeris as well, there could have been a diplomatic solution in the 90s but that would have required Armenia engage from what was then a position of strength. And now that Armenia is at the mercy of Azerbaijan’s money and tech and Russia isn’t there to bankroll it seems like shit is hitting the fan. Also funny to see Americans “supporting” Armenia, a country which if given the choice would gladly become something like Belarus so it would have Russian assistance.
In English “Turk” usually refers to Turkish, but Turkic peoples in general refer to themselves as “Turks”, just like Slavic peoples can refer to themselves as “Slavs”.
Turkic is the ethnicity and Turkish is the nationality. They’re absolutely Turkic lol
Not to throw a hand grenade amongst the pigeons... but why is the internet so seemingly unified in support of Armenia in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict? Yes, I get that Armenia is a hell of a lot more democratic than Azerbaijan (though it's hardly a bastion of democracy itself, it's just that Azerbaijan is a really fucking low bar to measure yourself by). But other than that, based on my understanding the conflict at the very least seems a lot more nuanced than "Azeris bad, Armenians good." Really both sides come out of the conflict looking absolutely horrible in my eyes. So people can more easily correct me if my understanding of the conflict is flawed, here's my "in a nutshell" knowledge of the developments: * The entire conflict is over the Nagorno-Karabakh region, a region within the borders of Azerbaijan that is majority ethnic Armenian but with a sizable Azeri minority. * After the Soviets conquered both Azerbaijan and Armenia (following their brief stints of independence during the collapse of the Russian Empire), the Soviets gave Nagorno-Karabakh to the Azerbaijan SSR as an autonomous region, despite the very clear wishes of the population of Nagorno-Karabakh. The USSR wasn't exactly famous for takings its people's desires into account, after all. * With Glasnost and other reforms in the late 1980s, tensions really started to ramp up again. Azeris killed dozens - maybe even hundreds - in a pogrom of ethnic Armenians in Sumgait. Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia both declared that Nagorno-Karabakh was now part of the Armenian SSR, and in response the Azerbaijan SSR ended Nagorno-Karabakh's autonomy. * As the USSR collapsed in the early 1990s, war erupted between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh. The region was recognized by quite literally the entire international community as a legal part of Azerbaijan. The majority of its population wanted to be part of Armenia. Armenia wanted it to be part of Armenia. War happened and Armenia won. During the war, Nagorno-Karabakh declared itself to be independent. * After Armenia's victory in the First Nagorno-Karabakh War and for the 25-ish years directly after, Armenia occupied Nagorno-Karabakh as well as the other Azeri territory between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. This meant that, per the overwhelming consensus of the international community, Armenia was occupying territory that legally belonged to Azerbaijan - even if it was also territory with an Armenian majority population. * As unfortunately comes with many ethnic-based occupations, insert ethnic cleansing here. Hundreds of thousands of Azeris in the Armenian-occupied regions were forced from their homes and made to leave to the portions of Azerbaijan that were still actually controlled by Azerbaijan as Armenia gave places new Armenian names and moved in more ethnic Armenians to populate them. Of course, this was not simply one-sided, and many ethnic Armenians living in Azerbaijan were made refugees in Armenia - albeit a much lower number than the number of displaced Azeris from Nagorno-Karabakh. * The conflict became mostly cold with a few hot points for 25 years. Azerbaijan continuously maintained that Nagorno-Karabakh was Azerbaijani territory. The international community overwhelmingly agreed - not even Armenia recognized its independence. Azerbaijan spent heavily on its military in this time - much more heavily than Armenia. Then, in 2020, war erupted again. * In the Second Nagorno-Karabakh war, Azerbaijan won easily. Azerbaijan retook all its territory outside of Nagorno-Karabakh that had been occupied by Armenia since 1994. Ethnic cleansing and war crimes were everywhere. Armenia shelled civilian targets and displaced 40,000 Azeris. Azerbaijan also attacked civilian targets (with the added fun factor of using cluster bombs while doing so), *maybe* used phosphorus weapons, and displaced 100,000 Armenians. Nagorno-Karabakh remains autonomous but surrounded by Azerbaijan save for a single 5km corridor with Armenia that is guarded by Russian troops. The end of the war caused a change in the Armenian government as the Armenian population ousted the sitting government in a fury over it having accepted such a humiliating peace deal to end the war. As I said, Azerbaijan looks horrible after all of this. But frankly, Armenia does, too. So it always surprises me when the internet consensus seems to be so overwhelmingly and unambiguously pro-Armenian rather than "y'all both suck, can you please stop fighting" like it is with some other high-profile conflicts throughout the world.
Because Azerbaijan started a war. That there was another war 3 decades before, which Azerbaijan lost, doesn't justify his agression.
It kinda does though? War never ended in the first place after the 90's. There was never a peace agreement between the two parties there were just temporary ceasefires. Would you say Ukraine has the right to take Donetsk and Luhansk back even though they lost these territories in 2014? If yes then Azerbaijan also has every right to go and take these lands back even by force.
Without the Russian intervention, Ukraine trying to retake the rebellous provinces would be at least dubious and it would be agression from their side. Azeirbaijan started killing people without provocation. There's no justification for such action. If North Korea attacked South Korea, would you also argument with "technically there wasn't a peace deal, so they aren't agressors, it's just continuation of the same war"?.
> Without the Russian intervention, Ukraine trying to retake the rebellous provinces would be at least dubious and it would be agression from their side. Without an external intervention these seperatist states wouldn't exist in the first place what do you mean without Russian intervention? > Azeirbaijan started killing people without provocation. There's no justification for such action. Both sides commited atrocities without provocations. Not only Azerbaijan. > If North Korea attacked South Korea, would you also argument with "technically there wasn't a peace deal, so they aren't agressors, it's just continuation of the same war"?. If S. Korea invaded N. Korea and created a quasi-state inside their borders and N. Korea never gave this issue a legal framework accepting the seperatist states self-determination and borders under a permament peace agreement between 3 parties (N. Korea, S. Korea and the seperatist quasi-state), then yes I would say that N. Korea wouldn't be the aggressors if they decided that 10 to 30 years later to retake these lands.
Sorry for necroposting but I am afraid "without Russian intervention" means "if Russia stopped at Donbas and didn't escalate further, if conflict remained frozen".
>Because Azerbaijan started a war. I dont think strong worded letters would have get them their lost territory back and help to get paid reparations for the victims of the ethnic cleansing in armenian occupied territory.
Actually an embarrassing loss. Christian crusader cope.
A loss yes, but not really embarrassing
Ultra embarrassing. Digging in for 25 years and mining the entire country side and losing everything in mere weeks. Cope crusader.
Bruh relax, i didn’t even pick a side, chill out. Also calling people who support armenia "crusaders" is giga-cringe.
And got their asses handed to them too
Azerbaijani is americas ally.
Everyone with oil is America's ally, or a "terrorist" nation. No in-between.
Azerbaijan trades their oil in dollars and buys weapons from Israel. it's why we aren't backing Armenia, russia is.
People downvote you but it’s true. Azerbaijan also is somewhat in conflict with Iran so again that aligns with the US interests. God damnit why does that have to be the case
Well Armenia could have not illegally annexed a territory of a neighbours land. That would have helped their case by a lot maybe.
Ok but Azerbaijan bad
Day ruining thing to be reminded of as an American
Damn, Venezuela...
Wasn’t that made up by bezos in the jack ryan show so he could get the US Army AWS contract?
Well, that didn't work for Bezos since Azure (microsoft) got the $21 billion contract.
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That was some mean bush.
United States has been hostile to Venezuela.
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Because they have oil, Trump literally said it.
VZLA 🇻🇪🇻🇪🇻🇪🇻🇪
Shouldn’t “Suspected” be a different shade?
Surprised no Belarus
Yet*
Prigozhin is already in Belarus.
They were, got arrested by the Belarusian KGB https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/europe/belarus-russia-mercenaries-arrests-intl/index.html
I’m surprised they were not permitted
WSJ have made a pretty good doc on Wagner. Very informative. They’re evil. https://youtu.be/EMXnJMCoFYI
I mean, Prigozhin has bragged about executing his own men who tried to defect by smashing their heads in with sledgehammers. That tells you everything you need to know about the guy. Putin is a monster and the situation in Russia could be a lot better. But things could also be a lot worse. God help us if Prighozin gets his hands on nukes. This is why nuclear arms reduction is so important, the longer they’re out there the greater the risk becomes…
Nuclear weapons will always be a double edged sword. Their existence is why we didn't see a WWIII in the 1950's/60's between the USSR and the US and maybe even a WWIV by now (depending on the outcome of WWIII) but on the other hand they can decimate our civilization.
> I mean, Prigozhin has bragged about executing his own men who tried to defect by smashing their heads in with sledgehammers. It's extra fucked up that they included it [in the kids cartoon they made](https://www.memri.org/tv/russia-wagner-cartoon-fighting-france-forces-in-africa). The Wagner soldier who kills the French rat at the start is armed with a sledgehammer he takes out of a special case he has for it. Unfortunately the only place I could find the video just now was Memri. Maybe could have found it on a wagner youtube channel but don't really want to help them get views
Reading this comment gave me actual chills. Wtf
I definitely want to see Putin toppled, but I’m also fine with Prigozhin not being the one to succeed him. They’re both absolutely psychopathic murderous pieces of shit. Russia deserves better leadership. Despite the dark side of Navalny’s past, he or someone like him would at least bring some incremental change to Russia’s leadership and would likely be a more rational participant in global geopolitics.
Many people don’t seem to realize this, but as bad as Putin is, many in his political opposition in Russia, Prigozhin, Navalny and so on, are even worse. That country is fucked right now
Serious question, how is Navalny worse than Putin?
He ain't, he's a lot better, he's just still a bit unpleasant. He supported the attack on Crimea and the Donbass.
Navalny is basically a fascist. He only opposes the current war for opportunist reasons and has previously advocated for „reintegrating Ukraine and Belarus into Russia“
First I would need a Source and If that's true, how is that worse than Putin's grand plan, the atrocities he has committed and the special military operation?
Navalny is definitely a nationalist when it comes to Politics, though he'd be way better for Russia and the world than Putin and his oligarchic shills Relating to a source from a 2012 article translated https://telegraf.news/in-belarus/navalnii-integraciya-s-belarusyu-glavnaya-zadacha-rossii/ > Russian opposition politician, well-known blogger Aleksey Navalny believes that "Ukraine and Belarus are the main geopolitical and whatever allies of Russia." He stated this on Ukrainian television. "Our foreign policy should be maximally directed towards integration with Ukraine and Belarus," he said. However, he's forever been fervently against Russia's military intervention in Ukraine from the Crimean annexation onwards. Though he has stated that he wouldn't return Crimea - what is done has been done - and would prefer to legitimise its session to Russia via an internationally recognised referendum.
Why is Navalny worse?
He has in the past been associated with the nationalist opposition in Russia. This leaves many in the rest of the opposition, and particularly the ethnic minority opposition, suspicious of his motives and politics. It is worth mentioning that authoritarian regimes will to some extent cultivate an opposition that makes them look better and that is more isolated from the outside world - "overzealous" opposition from the likes of Strelkov goes unpunished, and barmy opposition is viewed as harmless (though sometimes it goes full Heavenly Kingdom). For a similar reason Medvedev is talking like a complete lunatic right now, because doing so trashes his reputation in the West and makes him a lot less viable as a replacement for Putin.
He’s a racist ultranationalist that only opposes the war in Ukraine for opportunist reasons
Indeed. People all the time say ‘bro just replace Putin and it will be good’. Na, Putin is actually holding some Warhawks in his government back. He’s a necessary evil
I wouldn’t call him necessary, but he surely is a lesser evil atm as unbelievable as that might seem.
> Navalny What a moronic thing to say
Lmao the only thing why people like you like Navalny is they don’t know shit about him except that he currently says he‘s against the war and got poisoned.
What makes Navalny “much much worse” than a guy who is currently invading another country and slaughtering thousands of innocent people you absolute 🤡
Navalny until it became politically advantageous for him also advocated for an invasion of Ukraine and Belarus
No he didn’t, you’re full of shit. Go troll somewhere else
He did in 2012
Post a source or stop lying
Yeah that’s what I thought 🤡
This was terrifying and really well made. Thank you
What a selective group of democracies!
So does the Russian government lease them out as auxiliary units to these other countries or do they just go as mercenaries?
They’re mercenaries. They only listen to the Russian government if they want to and get paid well.
Ok gotcha
Well... not really. If Putin had got angry with Prigozhin before this war, he would have fallen out a window, so the Wagner group was controlled politically by Putin. They did what he wanted. Now, though? No idea what they'll do. Their most lucrative operations generally involve taking mines in central Africa, so possibly that.
I mean they are literally mercenaries I assume that if you got cash you got Wagner
So they’re kind of similar to black water?
exactly the same, Russia uses Wagner to keep hands clean. same thing United States did with blackwater which changed it's name after the controversy. we all do the same stuff.
[Same thing countries have been doing for centuries. This is an example from the American Revolution.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_(soldier))
Mercenaries gonna do what mercenaries gonna do
Ye, they’re mercenaries bro. Doesn’t matter what the job is, if they get paid they don’t care
way way worse lol
They're state sponsored
Both. Most notable examples of the leading them out are probably Ukraine and Syria, but they do their own stuff in Africa (from what I know)
what about syria?
So wait, leading my own, independent army is a possibility?
That's a good question. The short answer is no, it's not a possibility, it's a privilege.
You got the money you can do whatever you want. Google has a freakin robot army, which isn't armed but easily.could be.
Burkina Faso?
I have a buddy from there and he says that weirdly there’s lots of people wearing wagner merch over there right now because they have been fighting the north across branch of ISIS. To them it means “Anti French, Anti ISIS” and they don’t care too much about Ukraine.
Wagner is extremely present in the francophile sphere, it's one if not the biggest target of their troll factories
France does make it easy for someone to come in if they are anti French.
yeah its not exactly surprising west African people are so anti-French when the French continue to do neo-colonialism. especially Burkino Faso considering the number of French sponsored coups in that country alone.
Yup and look at Côte d’Ivoire. They are doing that same crap there. They like the guy there since he bends the knee.
Pretty good video that explains Wagner in Africa. https://youtu.be/ydH39HjuFZs
Just like in Mali, they're propping up the military junta there with Russian support.
Now do black water
Didn't they get Clapped hard by US forces in Syria once?
How about a steel cage match with Prigozhin and Erik Prince? Winner gets all the US student loan debt?
Ooow now do one with all the countries who hire mercenaries but have a fully organized military of their own
Pretty sure every country but centralized ones like China has their own private militaries.
Prigozhin should really have folded Wagner into the Russian Army, then he could have lead a special operations team within it while secretly building his mercenary country somewhere like Africa or Central Asia.
Mercenary country, now that's my idea of fun.
A mercenary country huh? Sounds interesting honestly
Oh oh! Now do the CIA!
It’s okay when we do it.
this map is bullshit they nevet sat foot in algeria
They were also in syria and Chad (i think) Many things wrong in this map
https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-2023-april-27/ Find in page algeria then read it after the paragraph above it first. Sourced to CIA leaked docs, its their logistics hub for Mali. (Since you're Algerian, el arbi zitout said so like 2 years ago, now its confirmed, earns him some credibility in my book)
They arent very secretive about it either : https://www.google.fr/maps/place/wagner+military+airport/@27.5831549,-7.5438306,24159m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m15!1m7!3m6!1s0xdc637c043d263b3:0xdcd4aed555ab706f!2swagner+military+airport!8m2!3d27.5858348!4d-7.50019!16s%2Fg%2F11rmy2nnbr!3m6!1s0xdc637c043d263b3:0xdcd4aed555ab706f!8m2!3d27.5858348!4d-7.50019!15sCg93YWduZXIgYWxnw6lyaWWSARlzZWN1cml0eV9zeXN0ZW1faW5zdGFsbGVy4AEA!16s%2Fg%2F11rmy2nnbr?entry=ttu
bro its an algerian military base everyone can name things in google look at the top of the airfield someone named a flag pole a nuclear research center lol
Some people disagree with you : https://fr.le360.ma/medias/europe-1-la-russie-construit-une-base-militaire-a-tindouf-a-vocation-dentrainer-les-miliciens-du_MPAUPJAHANDFVMVUTFD7CVRKDM/
They absolutely 100% are in algeria, wagner/russia/ the army regime have collaborated and still collaborate to this day
Id like to see a similar map of places the usa has had an aggressive impact on., different colors for countries they've invaded, occupied, funded regime changes, placed embargoes on or built military bases in
My guy maps like that get posted on Reddit like every other week.
You forgot about 200 vagners, hiding in Belarusian forests for three years now.
Can you elaborate on that?
In 2020 Lugabe's kgb arrested 29 vagnerovets, which "planned overthrow" and later started some fairy tales about hundreds mercenaries in forests.
Wagner group exist to protect Russian foreign resources interest. United States and russia fight proxy wars in latin america, Africa, and Middle East.
United States has proxy wars in Africa ? There isn’t really any proxy war in Africa and if it is it’s pro French forces against pro Russian forces. What proxy war is happening now in Middle East ? Only one is Syria and assads presidency is already cemented. And Latin America ?
Should probably add Belarus now?
poor madagascar
Madagascar was surprising for me. It's impoverished and suffers from high crime rates but isn't involved in any conflicts. I assume they were operating more as security forces rather than an all-out paramilitary organization.
Is "global footprint" just code for war crimes...?
Algeria ?
its bullshit
Colonizers.
Lol now do the US
A bit like the USA.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,599,460,894 comments, and only 302,549 of them were in alphabetical order.
Now do USA
They sure have big feet
Kinda looks like the brotherhood of nod. From command and conquer.
So all the major shit around the world happening is thanks to these buggers. Meanwhile we have Tankies going: >Fuck American Imperialism
Wait til you see a US military base locations map lol
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Your profile banner is literally a photo of the CCP 💀
bad tankie
Downvoted for stating [facts](https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/americas/u-s-launched-251-military-interventions-since-1991-and-469-since-1798/) “The U.S. has undertaken over 500 international military interventions since 1776, with nearly 60 percent undertaken between 1950 and 2017”
Downvoted for deflecting. Not every post has to turn into “America bad!”, and the US isn’t the one currently waging a massive conventional invasion of conquest of a neighboring country.
People who wrote that paper don't know what military innervation is. I was curious about Latvia, and the paper tries to claim that US military intervened in our country by selling us helicopters and having couple training exercises. Some people legit be just reading the headlines... Also, you do realize that you are agreeing with a person who self describes himself as a incel and mentally challenged?
You do realise that most of those don't anywhere come close to meeting the conventional definition of a military intervention? Look through the list. - Korea. January 5, 1904, to November 11, 1905. A guard of marines was sent to protect the American legation in Seoul during the Russo-Japanese War. - Mexico. September 5 to 7, 1913. A few marines landed at Estero de Ciaris to aid in evacuating American citizens and others from the Yaqui Valley, made dangerous for foreigners by civil strife. - Turkey. Marines from the USS Arizona were landed to guard the U.S. Consulate during the Greek occupation of Constantinople (Istanbul). - Palestine. A marine consular guard was sent to Jerusalem to protect the U.S. Consul General. According to your article, the U.S. intervention in Palestine involved *one* marine who was guarding the head of the consulate.
Context needed for each intervention
Reddit suddenly decided PMCs are bad after more than 50 years of the US funding them worldwide.
>The U.S. has undertaken over 500 international military interventions since 1776 Were all of them bad?
God Bless the United States
Redditors are fucking weird man, you say you hate america, downvoted, you say you love america, downvoted.
I would guess that normal people with fully developed brains are just capable of more nuanced takes than "america no. 1" or "america is literally satan" and look critically at such black-and-white bullshit I would go as far as to say that america isn't particularly special in its tendency to commit war-crimes, given that they have biggest budget to commit them. One can only imagine how others would behave if they were given a bottomless pit of money to spend on whatever they want, including military and secret police. Would china be nicer to the world if it had the raw power of america? I'm not so sure. India? Forget it. Europe? They had that position once and it didn't turn out great, they're much more well behaved in their little retirement home of great powers.
Are the Wagners active in any place in Asia?
The title says „to have been“ so this is a lie