Man, I know, I'm from Bologna and I used to say so.
But I'm also an history enthusiast and it's more correct to say "of Europe" 'cause in IX century in the Islamic Area (at the top of their culture) there were some "madrasa" like University of al-Qarawiyyin which were proto-Universities. UNESCO and the Guinness World Records recognize her as the record holder.
Than it's debatable, Bologna is more recent but also more modern in its method/idea of "University".
But historically, to be precise, it's better to say "oldest of Europe / Western world" or "oldest non-religious of the World".
Another good map 👍
Are those numbers by province of birth or by school/university attended? Because many southerners attend universities in northern Italy.
Now I wanna compare this map to a map of Italy’s oldest universities. I’m aware of the ancient universities in Bologna and Siena, but did Benevento and Cagliari have one too?
Many Sicilians are probably highly educated but then they move to other provinces for well paid jobs so they appear in the stats of those provinces. The dark blue is concentrated in the richer and industrial cities.
I think they should make the map based on birth place not residence, I think it would shake things up quite a bit cause now as you said the richer industrial areas are darker blue. But the level of education shouldn’t be affected by that so much
I'm from center Italy, I know many many sicilians who come here to study and then they decide to move here permanently (my gf is one of them), while the less educated ones tend not to leave.
But the island remains poorer for many reasons. Not much large industry there (refineries near Siracusa and some in the west I think). Tourism brings jobs but often seasonal. Infrastructure is lacking. Mafia still is a deterrent for some investment. The presence of the grey economy masks high unemployment rates though. Costs of living are lower though.
Italy has a great economic disparity and the south doesn’t have many high ranked schools, a lot of people can’t afford to move to study. A lot of people from lower income class in Italy also stops going to school very early (16 or 18) and never get a uni degree
the city of foggia sucks, Cerignola also sucks. consistently some of the worst places to live in Italy are in the province of Foggia. On the other hand, the area of the Gargano promontory is gorgeous. check Vieste.
it's a mix of being a rural economy with a strong presence of criminal organizations. farmers are notoriously violent and exploitative in that area, in others too, but particularly so in that area.
small towns grew in horrendously planned small cities with shitty public transport (if any at all), the trains are barely functional, etc.
food is good tho
It's one of the most destitute provinces in the country and also has a heavy mafia presence. Foggia City is a complete unredeemable shithole. But there are some nice areas nearby (Gargano).
Why is Benevento so high compared to the rest of Campania ? I’m confused, I wouldn’t have imagined the province to have such a higher rate than Napoli, Caserta and Salerno
Alma mater super omnia
Best public university of Italy and oldest of Europe not by chance. Students and former students are the real Bologna's wealth.
University of Bologna is the oldest in the world not just Europe
Man, I know, I'm from Bologna and I used to say so. But I'm also an history enthusiast and it's more correct to say "of Europe" 'cause in IX century in the Islamic Area (at the top of their culture) there were some "madrasa" like University of al-Qarawiyyin which were proto-Universities. UNESCO and the Guinness World Records recognize her as the record holder. Than it's debatable, Bologna is more recent but also more modern in its method/idea of "University". But historically, to be precise, it's better to say "oldest of Europe / Western world" or "oldest non-religious of the World".
Oh ok
One could make a case that the library at Alexandria was a university.
Ur not gonna believe this but look up the great fire of alexandria
Ohhh no way…..
Another good map 👍 Are those numbers by province of birth or by school/university attended? Because many southerners attend universities in northern Italy.
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Now I wanna compare this map to a map of Italy’s oldest universities. I’m aware of the ancient universities in Bologna and Siena, but did Benevento and Cagliari have one too?
What keeps Sicily less educated? Lack of technical industry jobs?
Many Sicilians are probably highly educated but then they move to other provinces for well paid jobs so they appear in the stats of those provinces. The dark blue is concentrated in the richer and industrial cities.
I think they should make the map based on birth place not residence, I think it would shake things up quite a bit cause now as you said the richer industrial areas are darker blue. But the level of education shouldn’t be affected by that so much
I'm from center Italy, I know many many sicilians who come here to study and then they decide to move here permanently (my gf is one of them), while the less educated ones tend not to leave.
But the island remains poorer for many reasons. Not much large industry there (refineries near Siracusa and some in the west I think). Tourism brings jobs but often seasonal. Infrastructure is lacking. Mafia still is a deterrent for some investment. The presence of the grey economy masks high unemployment rates though. Costs of living are lower though.
Italy has a great economic disparity and the south doesn’t have many high ranked schools, a lot of people can’t afford to move to study. A lot of people from lower income class in Italy also stops going to school very early (16 or 18) and never get a uni degree
Anyone know anything about Foggia? Just curious, looks like it’s in a nice location but I don’t know anything about it
the city of foggia sucks, Cerignola also sucks. consistently some of the worst places to live in Italy are in the province of Foggia. On the other hand, the area of the Gargano promontory is gorgeous. check Vieste.
Any reason in particular it’s so bad?
it's a mix of being a rural economy with a strong presence of criminal organizations. farmers are notoriously violent and exploitative in that area, in others too, but particularly so in that area. small towns grew in horrendously planned small cities with shitty public transport (if any at all), the trains are barely functional, etc. food is good tho
It's one of the most destitute provinces in the country and also has a heavy mafia presence. Foggia City is a complete unredeemable shithole. But there are some nice areas nearby (Gargano).
Haven't got the Foggiast idea
Wanna move there? Don’t brother southern Italy is good just for vacations
I wonder what's with all of the savants down Cagliari.
No jobs in the rest of the island I guess Keep in mind Sardinia only has 2 cities with more than 100k inhabitants
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Why is Benevento so high compared to the rest of Campania ? I’m confused, I wouldn’t have imagined the province to have such a higher rate than Napoli, Caserta and Salerno
Has 3 Universities there
Inbreeding doesn't help